Star Trek Beyond Is Top Tier Star Trek | RETROSPECTIVE
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2020
- Star Trek is easily one of my favorite Star Trek films... but does it hold up to scrutiny, or is it just another pew pew Trek film. Let's dive into the latest, and perhaps last, Kelvin Star Trek film, Star Trek Beyond.
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Simon Peggy's writing is brilliant. Certainly the best Kelvin Star Trek movie.
Yep best of all the Kelvin films.
Definitely the best Kelvin film - hands down
I can’t place it ahead of Wrath, Undiscovered Country, TMP, Voyage Home or First Contact - I even have a soft spot for Nemesis (I know, believe me I know) - so I’d place it after those but it is so good and it shows how many great Star Trek films there are
He did a great job of balancing out the business needs of making it an action movie while still keep the heart and brains we expect from Star Trek.
Such a pity it got nerfed by executive meddling. I remember reading in an interview the experience put him off writing for a long time.
And that is my issue with this movie, kinda like Ant-Man: you can see the wasted potential. The outlines and echoes of a truely great movie are explicit, but it just falls short of it for me.
Completely agree 100%
The best JJ Trek movie had no involvement from JJ.
BINGO.
To ME, JJ, and Kurtzman, are just bean counters who think they got talent, but don't.
To sum up one word to describe both their successes....
Lucky.
If only he'd had no input in star wars.
JJ is overrated. "He has no idea how to tell a story."
www.patreon.com/posts/emperor-only-has-32504876
He did produce it.
Hands down my favorite quote from any of the Star Trek franchises:
Spock: To use a parlance with which you would be familiar, Doctor, I have just confirmed that theory to be horseshit.
I dont know if it's just that I've been in quarantine too long and I'm lonely, but woooooo boy I sure did start crying every time this video started talking about the themes of this film
Hmmm..can Trek do a movie about a virus that strikes the earth and how the planet must be quarantined from the rest of the Federation? Maybe the Enterprise has to search for a cure?
Tearing up all the way through myself. 🖖🏽
I legitimately blanked out 99% of Into Darkness, so I can safely say Beyond was pretty much flawless to me. I never fail to tear up at the tribute to Leonard Nimoy and the destruction of the Enterprise. And for various mental health reasons I hadn't been following the news when Anton Yelchin tragically passed, so that simple yet striking card at the end of the movie shocked me right to my core. (Sorry for leaving messages on old videos but I only found you recently!)
I remember leaving the theatre after seeing Beyond and saying to myself that this was the Star Trek that would break 1 billion dollars at the box office. It hit every mark I thought it should to achieve that goal. And then later it broke my heart to pieces when it didn't do as well as it should....because it should've. My beloved Star Trek always seemed (at least at that time) to be on the brink of ending for good. Enterprise being cancelled well before the traditional 7 seasons it's predecessors enjoyed (except for TOS, of course)...Nemisis doing so poorly...Then Star Trek (2009) breathing new life into the franchise...It gave me hope that the rest of the Star Wars / Marvel loving world would finally see what I and all the other Trekkies saw. Beyond is a great Star Trek film...It deserved better than it got. I'm always amazed and grateful for the fact that as many times as Star Trek gets knocked down it still picks itself up, dusts itself off and keeps going. I've said this many times before but we Star Trek fans are very, very lucky people. We have been given a whole universe of stories and it has carried a good lot of us through our lives. I've always thought that Paramount dropped the ball on marketing Beyond and the 50th anniversary....maybe that's the reason it's considering more Star Trek movies (at least from what I've understood). They have to know that deep down inside, Star Trek is important...Not only from an entertainment point of view but from an emotional one as well. Thanks for this review Jessie! You always do a 100 percent awesome job!!
It's a tragic truth that franchise movies usually perform at the box office based on the previous entry - Beyond's performance was as much to do with people regretting having gone to Into Darkness as it was the movie itself.
Sadly, lots of people had given up by the time the best Kelvin movie came out.
I didn’t see it till it went to Netflix sad it’s really good I think the trailer and the previous movie were so bad it didn’t look interesting even to me a huge Trekkie
@@rmsgrey I think so. Beyond felt like it nailed most of themes of Star Trek.
I also like the parallel between Kirk/ McCoy and Pike/The CMO from the cage both drinking and discussing how they feel a bit disenfranchised with their role as Captain. Full circle after fifty years
I loved it.
I hated the trailers, almost skipped it. Word of mouth convinced me otherwise and I'm so glad it did. The whole stronger together theme, the crew being more important than the ship... sooooo good.
Hell, even the whole Kirk delegating the dangerous task of piloting a drone ship where a lesser film would have the heroic captain do that.
And the absolutely critical development of the McCoy/Spock relationship.
I loved the nice touch in the Sabotage scene where Krall looked at the Franklin and referred to her as his "old friend". It helped sell his humanity, he wasn't just a monster. He was human, no matter what he looked like, he just went bad along the way. Our real monsters are the same... all too human.
I'm really glad the 4th film never got off the ground because time travelling to meet his father would have felt like a huge step back for Kirk. Don't get me wrong, I'd love another sequel, just not with that plot.
The best Kelvin movie by a country mile and thematically the most interesting. Admittedly it's been a minute since I've seen Into Darkness but I couldn't tell you what the theme of that movie was or even if it had one.
I think that movie had something to do with terrorism and disproportionate responses thereto? Like an Iraq War thing? All I really remember is that the plan to murder Khan on the Klingon planet (which I think was Qu'onos) reminds me in a vague sort of way of Suleimani getting assassinated by the US.
The theme was "You liked Wrath of Khan, right?"
Into Darkness was such a _great_ movie, I had _literally_ forgotten that the Enterprise had been destroyed in it. I mean, I have seen the movie, and I am still just taking Jessie's word that it happened. If that doesn't say how forgettable a movie it is....
the theme was after destruction of USS Kelvin. some in Star fleet felt it need to become militarized. Which it never mint to be. The main admiral character was turning to dark side. Khan was use for that goal. how ever he made a deal with the devil. That I think it called into darkness.
The villain would have been so much more interesting without leaving the "twist" of being a Romulan War vet until the very end. Kelvin Kirk's dad was killed by a Romulan. Spock's parents were killed by that Romulan. Then they meet a Romulan War vet from the past, and that could have led to some really interesting character moments if they just sat in that and had some of that classic Star Trek scenery chewing instead of dribbling a handful of little hints the characters can't react to wedged in between action set pieces.
Beyond is my favorite Kelvin Timeline film. I found myself nodding at all the moments you brought up showing how amazingly subtle this film was in very poignant moments.
I understand, and share, the desire to not see the Enterprise destroyed again. But _Beyond_ gave the event enough time to let the characters shine. Uhura finishing the saucer separation even though it would seal her in a compartment with the enemy was a great moment of self-sacrifice for the character. Probably my favorite moment of her in the new franchise. Kirk staying on the ship until everyone else was off, great stuff.
On TOS, The Enterprise was a metaphor for Earth of the future. It was metaphorically spaceship Earth. To show a destroyed Enterprise was something of a nihilistic counterculture statement in the 70s and 80s. One example is the animated film _Heavy Metal._
This was the first movie I saw in the theater after my grandmother died. My entire immediate family went to the local IMAX (museum IMAX, the big one, not a movie theater IMAX) and I remember sitting there and actually feeling hopeful for the first time in weeks. The quiet Spock scene you talk about hit me pretty hard but also helped me deal with a lot of the grief I hadn't processed yet.
I always remember Beyond as the movie that finally gave me a Kirk that belonged in the captain's chair, rather than one who might get there someday but right now gets shoved there because he's got the right name.
Which is unfair to Beyond because it has so many other little things that it does right, but that's been my pet peeve about the Kelvinverse ever since the end of Star Trek where, instead of giving him a medal and a bridge position with an established crew, the Federation decided to give the "flagship" (a whole other rant) to a group mostly composed of freshly graduated cadets.
I really love this movie. It's not perfect but it is undeniably so very Star Trek. Also (unpopular opinion) I didn't like the Spock/Uhura relationship, especially when they spent the whole second film bickering. Having them apart for this movie allowed both characters to shine the way I had always hoped for in these movies and Spock could get back to bickering with McCoy.🙂
I'm of the opinion that Spock and Kirk should get together, so that was a definite plus for me.
I was lukewarm about this entry, for reasons I still have yet to name.
But you've given me a new appreciation for Beyond, thank you.
The funny thing about the Uss franklin is that the original concept art, the nacelles were upside down. It was meant for the crew to find it buried in the sand. It was changed to this configuration because the change her location to a cliff. In fact, the guy who designed the Franklin never watched Star Trek enterprise and didn’t knew about the NX 01. So it was by complete luck that the Franklin looked like a predecessor to the enterprise. And I think that’s amazing! Trekyards made a interview with the designer. Recommend checking out
So touching. I think I’ll give this movie another watch after who knows how many years.
Well, probably you I'd think.
Beyond brought back the playful banter and care between Spock and McCoy. Always enjoyed their dynamic.
Hey look, we agree on something. I think the script could've spent a little longer in the oven, a little fine-tuning here and there. But the pros of the film greatly outweigh the cons.
I enjoyed it. I've been a Trekker/Trekkie since Sep 8, 1966. And until ST:Picard I eagerly embraced all manifestations of Trek. The Kelvin films are different and unique. I would welcome another film in the series.
Star Trek Beyond was there for me during a very dark time in my life. I'm still here. I saw it six times in theatres. (This surpassed "Not Another Teen Movie", which I saw four times.)
Star Trek: it saves lives. James Doohan did.
i had high hopes for anton yelchin because it looked like he was going to have a bright future. first movie of his i really liked was charlie bartlett then a year or 2 later he was in 2 big franchise movies out at the same time, star trek and terminator salvation. ive seen some of his other movies like green room but star trek is probably what he is most known for. as for the movie i liked it and if they made another i would most likely go see it.
Star Trek VI is one of my go-to movies. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen it and the scene that gets me welling up every time is the closing credit with the cast signatures.
Beautifully done. I agree with the idea that Beyond always felt like a really high-budget episode of a series set in the Kelvin Timeline rather than a big, bombastic movie, and that always endeared it to me moreso than Into Darkness.
I think Beyond is my favorite of the Kelvin films too, for various reasons. There is a lot of character building and Jaylah and Scotty befriending each other is totally Trek. I agree with you on SO much about this one. I think, though, that I like it as the last [so far] film. [And I hope it is NOT the last.] It's a good capstone because it's the most mature of the films. By which I mean, everyone is reflective. They've slipped into their roles, the crew is a family, and though the Enterprise, their home, is destroyed, she is renewed.
I do feel quite differently about the destruction of the Enterprise though. I remember wincing when I learned through spoilers that Enterprise was yet again going to be in mortal danger. I dreaded it. But when Lin destroyed the Enterprise, he did it differently from Abrams. Abrams seemed to use the destruction, or near-destruction, of this beautiful ship as a flash point. A huge moment.
Lin uses it to tell a story. The story of Kirk's devotion to this beautiful mechanical beast that is his ship. Every moment the Enterprise is going down to the surface is a moment Kirk is using to fight for his crew to stay alive and make it out. Every moment is one where the senior staff are fighting to make it mean something. We see Kirk's First Love dying and his enormous respect for the Lady Enterprise. [Sorry to sound so sentimental, but I'm a sailor.] Enterprise goes down fighting, by god. I cried, as I had not in the previous films. This vessel of Kirk's youth which sustained him and his crew gave her all, to the last. AND after! God DAMN I love this movie. And Chris Pine has Kirk's character down to a T, even better than yes I dare say it, Shatner himself.
Uhura in these moments was fantastic too. She knew her drill inside and out, truly proving to naysayers that the role of Uhura is Ship's Officer not "just" Spock's girlfriend [and can I say just what a major challenge being Spock's girlfriend must be?!].
I love Kurtzman, okay? Because he's brought us Discovery and Picard and Lower Decks. And because he co-wrote the first two movies. But damn, Pegg and Jung did a great job with the KT for this film. I don't know why they got such a load of crap for it, because it really is a good script. You should pardon this old Lefty, but [in addition to your thoughts about Krall thinking he's a magnificent individualist yet relying on the collective] I thought Krall represented a certain group of people who see themselves as Rugged Individualists and suck the life out of others to achieve his ends. And here's another point of agreement: I was SO DISAPPOINTED they covered the gorgeous Idris Elba with all that makeup! WHAAAAAAAAAAAT?! Outraaaageous!
I live in a small city in Florida, and saw almost NO marketing for Beyond. Which is a damn shame, because the posters were super. I almost laughed when you said marketing [as in, "There was marketing?"] because here, there was one standee poster that went up about two weeks before the opening at my local AMC 20. And a flurry of promo ads on TV in those two weeks. The trailer -- the first one -- was one thing Lin did NOT do well. I don't remember when I finally saw the second one. But I'm very glad I saw Beyond! PS/ I did not know the reason Justin Lin named the Franklin as he did. That just warmed my lil' heart!
I have to say this. Beyond made me take a second look at Enterprise, especially in the context of how much humans, vulcans and andorians have grown through the centuries between ENT and TNG
I always love your videos! This movie was my favorite Kelvin film. One thing I thought of when you mentioned the drinking scene with Kirk and McCoy referencing the scene from STII, was waaaay back in the original pilot, where Pike is in his quarters and his doctor comes in and gives him a drink, saying that sometimes the best doctor is a bartender. Pike was jaded and lost too, in the middle of his five year mission.
I always thought Beyond was the best of the Kelvin trilogy and an absolute joy to watch.
What a great video! I really like your breakdown of what made Beyond work for us older fans that aren't as cynical. When I saw Beyond in the theater I was pretty happy with it as it was a decent compromise between old and new. The characters felt so much better and closer to TOS characters that we know and love with the thin story plots and action pieces the new Trek movies has. I thought the dirt bike scene was incredibly cool and inventive with Kirk using Jaylah's hologram discs and the gas that turns into a solid to protect his crew as they wait to beam out. That's what a captain does. Not run around the place like the first two movies had. It's a shame he didn't order the Enterprise to get out of there sooner rather than keep shooting. Would have been nice to see some more commanding so we see the Enterprise put up a really good fight before being taken out. The saucer section stuff was fun as well and you could the camera hold on the burning wreckage for a bit to pay just a little more respect. I would have like to have seen more Trek films like this because now I feel the characters are in the right place. McCoy and Spock have a better appreciation of each other and Uhura is more support. I know it sucks for those actors, but they all can't be the main character. Jaylah is a wonderful addition and it would be nice to have her take over Chekov's spot, as his character may have moved onto better things... The Beastie Boys callback was cool and I liked it here even though I detested it in 2009. Wish the movie did better in the theater but after STID, I think too many people felt burned.
Again, great job and if I may make one technical comment: I'm not sure what color your backdrop was but it was the same as the light you were using and the reflections across your glasses were pretty distracting. A proper green screen may be in order. :)
The movie that got me into Star Trek... I've got so many good memories with this one lol I remember dragging my mom to the cinema with me and she was so proud that her kid ended up as big of a Star Trek fan as her. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that loved it to bits too!
I liked the Kelvin films. I felt they acknowledged the previous continuity with respect. They were fun. I hope we get more. Thanks for another positive video JG! Good luck in Seattle.
that shot of kelvin spock grieving the loss of spock prime (and allowing the audience to grieve for leonard nimoy) where he is so, so tiny in the shot surrounded by the limitless darkness of space was so beautiful and touching that i still think of it years later
So, I honestly saw this movie for the first time today. I had liked the first Kelvin movie, but was warned off Into Darkness and just never got around to seeing Beyond.
Well, after your Into Darkness video, I decided to watch them. I watched Into Darkness earlier this week and had a "that was ok" reaction. This afternoon I watched Beyond. HOLY CRAP IT WAS SO GOOD!
I loved loved LOVED this movie! And then I see you made a video about how it is SO GOOD! *squees of joy*
(Also, when mention the Kelvin videogames in the next video, don't forget Bridge Crew -- aka the good Kelvin Timeline game and also my favorite Star Trek videogame)
I adore this film,leading up to it ,Nimoy and Yelchins deaths really stung and punctuated and interesting times for the fandom.
Charming ,funny great plot and story I loved the early montage and monologue of Kirks,really somber
Jayla was a great addition and hope she comes back if a fourth film were come out,or figure out a way to get her in Discovery or Strange New Worlds
The model realistic alcubere warp bubble was cool,aunty Rank herself Shoreh Agdashloo bought a great presence.
The villain was great but a bit underutilized, Elba was a bit unrecognised under that makeup.
I'm still mad this lost the best makeup Oscar to Suicide Squad
Not that it's a huge deal, but the Kelvin movies always bugged me in one inconsequential way: the female Star Fleet uniforms had no sleeves! Glad they made the change eventually.
Jessie, your editing has taken a giant step up ! Great work !
I just watched this but I’m absolutely rewatching it. I didn’t know how much I missed!
beyond was a perfect trek film! i’d only made my way through tos when beyond came out, but i already knew that for a fact. the humor, the beautiful crew-as-family themes, the plot, the fact that kirk was a finally shown as his true feminist himbo self, everything reminded me of the original series in a way that the previous two aos films never did. plus, it’s just objectively the best of all three aos films! i hope they make another, as long as pegg and jung write the script!
This was beautiful Jessie!
Thank you for giving this opportunity to reanalyse one of the greatest trek movies of all time! Also, great job with the soundtrack!!
*I* remember the Kelvin game fondly! Sure it's buggy as fuck, but I love the story and voice acting, and the gameplay (when it's not buggy) is satisfying. It is a bit of an action movie/shooter but there is a classic TOS-style story about the hubris of bad Admirals and science going too far hidden beneath it all.
I love your Star Trek videos! I recently watched some of your older ones and I must say I want to just say your video quality has really improved, and you look so much more confident. You go! :D
I'm always happy to see Beyond get the adoration it rightly deserves. I really hope we get that mythical fourth Kelvin movie someday.
It’s a tough line to walk. These movies are incredibly expensive to make therefore they need to reach a mass audience. Unfortunately that means focusing on action more than they do on television.
@Tesla-Effect CBS wants to appeal to a wider audience but they're willing to sacrifice the audience they already have to get them.
@@trekjudas BINGO.
And THAT is the problem.....do NOT tell the original audience to smeg off to attract the average slobs.
@@TheCastellan trying to "cancel" your own audience does seem rather stupid. From a business standpoint.
@@trekjudas Not to mention a MORAL standpoint.
@@TheCastellan Well, they're big business executives so they don't know from morality, BUT they should know something about business and your own market!
Sister, I'm a trekker... u know what that means. I went to the star trek conventions in the 80's, it was all TOS and 3 movies and some idiot decided "trekkie" was not cool. But I went to my 1st convention with my big brother, and that was the issue then. He's been gone some 10 years now, but I still identify as a trekker, not trekkie.... I'm hard core loyal to original star trek up to TNG (DS9 and voyager were awesome shows, but I was there for the enterprise).... The whole new time line seemed cheap when it was announced.
Had a bit of a grudge towards modern trek. U've helped me see it so much better.
Lower Decks, Picard, Disco.... all the cross referencing, all the homage paid to the shows before..... totally broke my bias.
Thanks for what ya do!!!
The scene with the orginal spock died and the vulcans deliver his belongings to the new spock with the orginal crew.
The scene brought me to tears and I am an adult man.
Iam tearing up right now they were my heroes as a child growing up watching those orginal movies and crew .
As well as DS9 and voyager with TNG
That video game kicked ass i loved the game.
Didn't see Beyond in theaters because I didn't like the violence in STID (I don't go see a Trek film so that I can see/hear skull and bones being crushed with bare hands. No thanks.)
But I eventually saw Beyond this year and I liked it a lot. I truly hope we get more kelvin Trek movies or maybe a show.
Thank you for this Jessie, every time you do a review like this or really any of your video essay. You relight that fire that got me into Star Trek in the first place. Like you said it easy to pick out the bad things about star trek universe, or the politics that goes on behind the scenes. Star Trek is about some much more than that. I look forward to seeing the rest of your work.
I just finished watching Beyond for the first time. It was such a fun movie, and is definitely near the top of my Trek movies list now that i've finally got around to seeing it.
I died laughing when Bones brings up that Spock "gave [his] girlfriend a tracking device." LOL. The line delivery is great and the look on everyone's face really sells it.
Tears were streaming down my face when Spock looks at the photo of the old crew near the end of the film.
Crossing my fingers that Jaylah shows back up in a future Kelvin film, if another one ever gets made.
I jumped up and down, clapped my hands, yelled, and then I cried. Why are you so perfect!!!!!!!!! Literally every single one of your points!!!!! I’m ascended.
(sorry I keep thinking of more stuff to add here because I love this movie so much and it's so under analysed compared to the others) I really appreciate how the opening has Kirk and the rest of the crew just going about their daily lives in his log because there really is no movie that does this aboard ship. All of the movies just go straight into the mission with the only real exceptions being Worf's promotion on the holodeck in Generations and the diplomatic dinner in Insurrection. But this movie very clearly shows the Enterprise as being a living community which has always been an aspect in the series and indeed it doubly makes us care about the crew given that they become so important in this movie beyond just the senior staff which I'm not sure ANY other Trek film does (with the possible exception of Scotty's nephew in Wrath of Khan). I know the "Absent friends line" at the end invokes Anton and Leonard and the other lost Trek veterans over the years, but in the context of the movie it actually shows everyone giving a damn about all the red shirts. None of the senior staff died. They are all there but plenty of the rest of the crew died and this is the ONLY trek film and one if the few times in the series that does more than simply shrug off the losses of the extras.
In a similar way in regards to how this is one of the few movies that has somewhere other than Earth be under threat. It demonstrates that humanity is not insular. It's not just Earth we care about any more but all life everywhere and the simple matter that Yorktown is threatened means that our heroes will lay down their lives to save those people. The only other time this is highlighted in the movies is again, weirdly, Insurrection. We even seen this in a more personal level when we see how utterly devastated Uhura is when Ensign Syl is killed by Krall. She may be Starfleet which we as Trek fans appreciate but a casual viewer sees Uhura being broken hearted over an odd alien creature. Someone completely different to her and it all matters. Every. Single. Life in this movie is made to matter.
I LOVED the Franklin. I thought it was a great ship.
Yelchin’s death was so weird, it was like something out of a Final Destination movie.
Beyond was the movie that got me into Star Trek! Just watched with my mum one afternoon because she wanted to see it and I was hooked!! Beyond is definitely my favourite of the Kelvin timeline, as it feels the most like Star Trek, but still kinda its own thing
Great vid, looking forward to the next segment which is unknown territory for me!
I have a theory this movie has an additional 'Easter egg' homage reference in addition to the "Sabotage" song. The song was transmitted at frequency 57.7MHz. This frequency was inside the analog TV VHF spectrum that the original series was broadcast. This spectrum was later auctioned off by the FCC for reallocation when HDTV arrived.
Thank you for the video! I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on all the Kelvin films, and especially this one. The Kelvin films were my first introduction to Star Trek-I loved the first, and even quite enjoyed the second on a first watch in theaters. But Beyond is the one that truly got to me, and ultimately led me to learn about and love the larger Star Trek universe. Hearing your delight in this film brought me a lot of joy too.
Really enjoyed this! Some quick constructive feedback: the clips you used had much quieter volume than yours, which meant I had to increase the volume and then decrease when you came back. Maybe its just my headphones but might be good to check :D keep up the great content!
One of my favorite films, hands down!
Edit: ah jeez that scene of Spock holding the picture of the older original crew made me cry!
Jessie, you give such top tier star trek video essays. I don't think I'd be a trekker without your content. Thank you!!
I AM SO HAPPY YOU MADE THIS! I love this movie so very much. I'll shut up and actually watch your video now. So excited! (Edited 34 minutes later): That was just so good. Your analysis was spot on your discussion of themes was perfect and that editing... I've run out of way to complement you but it was f'ing amazing. Totally teared up during both the Spock and the toast montages. Bravo Jessie!
Also also your editing on this video made me cry, how dare you :'P
But seriously, your long form videos are getting better and better!
I really loved Beyond as well. Part of me longs for an extended version where we could have seen or learned more about Elbas character and what drove him to take those steps.
In the same way Nero had a lot of back story in the Countdown comic etc which really gave his character meaning in 2009 and was lacking in the film itself.
I do not think it is one of the best, but absolutely in my top four. Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, First Contact and Beyond. Not in that order but some combination of those four.
Awesome review and very touching commentary on Spock's arch through the years and actor Leonard Nimoy. Your video is great film making and impassioned commentary of the series of Kelvin movies and especially ST Beyond!
Great video Jessie I mean I like all your videos but you really hit a homerun on this one. I actually loved all the Kelvin timeline movies in the darkness I felt had more potential than any but it just petered out. This movie was a great movie first Star Trek it felt like you said like an episode I too was thrilled that he mentioned Xindi and Romulan Wars which makes sense because they would have had the exact same timeline up to the point where of course the Kelvin was destroyed. them taking that into account made me happy it's like okay they're making sure they're sticking with continuity but still doing their own thing. I'm hoping we eventually see that fourth movie at some point
When younger I never had interest in trek until the JJ movies. At the time I really enjoyed the first, by the time I saw this one which I felt personally was the best of the three, I decided to bite the bullet and give TNG a chance. I have adored trek for the pass few years and would argue I now hold it more dearly then I did Star Wars. Looking back after at these movies, I still enjoy beyond far more than the first two, but these films were important and lead me to one of my most favourite comforts.
'Beyond' did indeed ramp-up the Kelvin-verse, so I agree that it should have been the second in the series. Don't get me wrong - 'Into Darkness' still has a place, but just not as the first sequel!
It's a shame that the film side of the franchise has stumbled to a halt at the moment, just as it was gathering pace.
Amazing video about this movie! Detailed, informative....well done!
You are what I aspire to be as a Trek Universe UA-cam creator! I've taken the plunge and SUBBED! Keep up the great work!
Well, thank you, I truly needed a video like this today / tonight. Thanks a lot my friend for share your love and insight.
JEEZ I have my phone ringtone set to be the TOS communicator chirp, so the couple times you used it in this video made me jump lol
Perfect timing. I finally saw the DVD last night. I liked the ensemble casting where everyone gets to make a contribution. Although the bickering between Spock and McCoy seemed really forced (probably because I it’s three movies vs. multiple TOS shows and movies). Although I noticed that Spock refers to him as Leonard (when the drones show up to kill them before they are beamed away). I don’t think that has ever happened. I liked seeing Sulu’s family which gives him a personal stake in the situation.
There is definitely a bigger theme in this movie which is the need to move on and be integrated into a new world which requires a different mindset and skill set. Krall felt abandoned and was not able to grow beyond a point because of that abandonment. If he was rescued he may have been able to grow into a new world but would have died a while ago. Because he was unable to grow emotionally and intellectually he was stuck in this time warp he created for himself.
I also liked the villains capabilities and this swarm concept. Definitely original for a different universe.
Nice review Jesse. This a GREAT Star Trek movie and a wonderful 50-year tribute. It gives us closure to the development of Kirk in these movies and deepens Spock's character. My only ding is they should have explained Krall's background more clearly. Some of the cut scenes should have been left in. The Yorktown was majestic! I think I'll throw this in the DVD player now!
i was kinda bored with myself without much to do last night and decided to go on a trek journey on your channel, that's obvi still going rn, and tbh seeing this retrospective now making me rethink my take on beyond, which while was to this moment my second fav AOS movie after 2009 i kind of was indifferent to it, but seeing this, well, it's time for a rewatch, methink.
Love this, thanks. I think it's my favorite of the Kelvin films. 2 criticisms that I heard someone else give that I think are totally valid. First, the bees totally destroy the enterprise. They don't need the super bad ass weapon except to show abject cruelty. I find that profoundly disconcerting. Second, Scotty hangs off a rock and then suddenly he's on firm ground. That totally bugs ME once it was pointed out. Like, how did he get out of that spot? And it's been done so many times.. it held no drama for me. Heck, it was even done in the first Kelvin film. Again, no drama because we knew nothing was going to happen.
Great job Jessie! My favorite Kelvin timeline film.
I initially wasn't really taken with this film. Thanks to you, I'm going to rewatch it with this new context.
I’m so glad I decided to watch this video while I was feeling down, as it totally helped lift my mood. It is my unequivocal favourite Star Trek movie and I liked seeing someone else have such deep enthusiasm for it.
My biggest complaint with this film has always been in the timeline of Spock’s storyline. I think it ties to your suggestion that this works much better as a second film. I didn’t understand Spock’s motivations for want to go back to Vulcan NOW, after Star Trek Into Darkness spent so much time establishing just how important his relationships with Kirk and Uhura were to him.
It would’ve made much more sense to me if Spock had found out about Spock Prime’s death and then decided to leave Starfleet, as the only reason he remained in Starfleet was because he “could be in two places at once” and that was now gone. Then in the end he decides to remain because he realizes (by seeing the picture of the Prime crew) that the only way he can truly honour Spock Prime’s legacy is by living the life Spock Prime wanted for him. I may have banged on about this for a while, but it’s a very small complaint from me and one I just explain away in my head with “Spock knew that Spock Prime was dying before actually getting word of it had happened.”
When it comes to the Sulu as LGBTQ+, I think a huge mistake was made in the packaging of him. They said he was gay and George Takei protested, because he always portrayed Sulu as attracted to women, but… I don’t know, why don’t you say his character is bisexual and in one timeline he pursues relationships with women and in this one he just happened to fall in love with a man? It’s no less queer representation. Oh well. Whatever.
This movie just makes me so so happy. I love the Spock and McCoy interactions. I love getting MORE McCoy, because he was so sidelined in the other movies and Karl Urban is so freakin perfect as McCoy. I love the alien looks (the Suicide Squad thing is an absolute robbery) and the new costumes. Sabotage is such a great moment. Jaylah is a fantastic character. Just… Gah. I love this movie so much.
I'm still curious who Demora's mama is, though.
@@TheCastellan In which timeline? Prime or Kelvin?
@@EmceeFrodis Both. Probably the same woman. In one of the captain Sulu novels, Hikaru had a one night stand with a woman.
@@TheCastellan IIRC, there was a line cut from ST 09 where Spock Prime posits that the universe naturally "course corrects" to smooth over changes, which is why the crew of the Enterprise all ends up together despite the odds being against it (and indeed Chekov and Uhura shouldn't even be the same people, with their birthyears changed). Demora is the the same category, as her birthyear is different. Perhaps in this universe Sulu still had a one night stand. Or maybe she was a surrogate. I mean, I'm curious about Ben (Sulu's husband). What's his story?
OMG finally! I really liked this movie when it came out, and this is the first time I've heard anyone actually talk about it.
Finally... someone who has a logical point of view about the latest Star Trek motion pictures. A retrospective that explores both pros and cons and does not just whine about what could have been but shows a deep appreciation for what is. Thank you for being mature and fair about your assessment of this subject. I heartily agree with your point of view. Bravo!
Love listening to your thoughts as always! I'm a big fan of the film and loved its focus on character development
You make me love these movies more than before, I can literally talk hours about the timeline and how it is a great addition to trek giving another take of the characters. I mean the development of Kirk? Come on! He had a harder start and even then he become than captain than we love and appreciate (most of my talk of kelvin is just Kirk sorry). Yes the movies have faults but it was my first take on trek and took me to watch TOS that become my favorite series. Thank you for doing this I really love these movies and I love that people analyze them putting aside JJ.
And Beyond is the peak of these three of course, the uniforms are pretty cool, the visuals beautiful. I really hope for another one with these actors I don't care if it's a rip off of a TOS episode I just want them.
The bit where Spock looks at that old picture of the original Star Trek crew made me bawl.
I remember that I had no plans to see the movie because I was on vacation and had returned to my little town (I was in college at that time and my town is apparently too Colonial to have a modern cinema), but my best friend (who knows I adore Star trek) took me to another city just to see the movie and that was the first Star Trek movie we saw together, so apart from having a very good memory attached, I was able to enjoy an excellent movie.
In 2016 I remember seeing it 3 times. First was in theaters with my parents. 2nd was when the digital release at a local convention known as Libricon. 3rd was part of my 50th anniversary marathon on the 50th. The 3rd time I was destroyed when they showed that picture at the end(at that point I'd hit the natural end point of the marathon, also that picture was a promotionalshot from TFF, the MOST HATED of the TOS films). Also Sofia was an amazing cast
As soon as you hit me with the Beastie Boys, you got a like out of me. Gotta love me some classical.
Very good video👍 Beyond is by far my favorite Kelvin movie and in my top 3 of all Star Trek movies. Still hoping against all logic that a 4th Kelvin movie will happen. Don't recast Chekov but have a nice tribute and have Jaylah replaced him, she was an excellent addition to the crew.
Oh man, have to share, very unfortunate commercial break timing? At 9:48, "with the deaths of anton yelchin and leonard Nimoy, this film opened with an almost melancholic air". And it cuts to commercial.
"Yeeeeeeeeow!!! I FEEL GOOD!!!! Nananaanana! I knew that I would!"
I was listening, not watching, and laughed out loud, and had to back up the video to see that it unfortunately chose to run an applebee's ad for me at that moment. XD 💚💚
One thing that struck me from the scene in "Man Trap" where Uhura confronts Spock on the bridge: listen to Spock's voice. Yes, his tone is very level, but there is a universe of barely restrained emotion in his voice. I hear both anger and concern trying to break through, but he's not going to let that happen.
Gawd, Leonard Nimoy was brilliant. ❤
Also, thank you for breaking my heart completely with those last scenes. 💔
Alright we watched this one tonight. It. Was. Amazing. I’m new to Trek. Just binged all of season one of TOS and have been watching the Kelvin movies with partner. It absolutely felt like an extended big budget TOS episode which was perfect for both me and partner.
Also we are both big expanse fans. I didn’t notice avasarala at first and he was holding his breath waiting for me to notice. I screamed.
Finally note: fuck Matt Walsh. Thank you for being vocal and visible. It means so much to so many.
Excellent. I think I will rewatch Beyond soon.
Jesse likes The Expanse?!? I'd love to see some Expanse content from her, get her opinions on the characters and the show. I love that show so so much.
Interesting tidbit from Cinifex Magazine, the Franklin design was from a old FASA Star Trek game ship design called a Loknar frigate.
Nick Meyer and JJ Abrams are great examples of fresh eyes bringing new life into the franchise while retaining its identity. Pegg/Lin are a great example of fans bringing the heart of what makes the franchise what it is to the fore.
However, Stuart Baird demonstrates how a newcomer can completely fail to value the universe they've been trusted with. And I'm sure there's an example within Trek, but when I think of fans failing to make the stuff they love good, I think of Ian Levine bogging Doctor Who down in eternal self-reference and hyperviolence in the 80s.
It's not so much about being fresh or familiar. It's about whether the creator is defining the franchise by its deeper meaning or by the surface trappings. Yes, Star Trek would feel incomplete without the pewpew lasers, but what are you doing with the pewpew? Are you telling a story about hope, family, equality, The Human Adventure? Or are you telling a story about people who shoot pewpew lasers? Are you filling the gaps in your encyclopedia of Federation history? Are you telling the same stories that were told 50 years ago and patting yourself on the back for being progressive by acknowledging that sometimes dark skinned people exist?
Just found & subbed to ur channel,
Great videos !
I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that the guy who starred in & co-wrote Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz & The World’s End would cook up one of the best sci-fi franchise movies on the planet.
Only after star trek beyound did I decide to watch TOS and dive deeper into this universe. I was so happy to see that they are so much alike
Fuck me...every time I hear "to absent friends" I not only think of Trek, and all the lost beloved characters/actors, but I think of everyone I've lost. In a weird, possibly parasocial way, I feel like they're talking to all of us.
This is now one of my favorite videos
"They are keeping things from each other, holding something back." Like, the fact that they're deeply in love with each other and should just get married right now?