Reflecting on the Kelvin Timeline's Legacy
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- The Kelvin Timeline may be done (for now) but let's reflect on the legacy it's left behind and the projects that may still be ahead.
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The Kelvin timeline is the Trek I grew up with. It’s also my gateway drug into TOS and TNG
I never seen em
I love to hear that the Kelvin films brought you in. It was my fondest wish that it would bring in new blood. LLAP
Then they did their job 🖖🏽
@@dalegribble4308 worth a watch if TNG gets too same-ish
Mine too, even though it was really my mom who got me into Trek when she took me to see Star Trek in 2009. She was a fan of the TOS as a kid, and the TNG series in adulthood.
The Kelvin Timeline was my gateway drug into the Prime timeline. I will never stop loving the Kelvin timeline and it’s associated media.
I had issues with "2009", but accepted the 'alternative reality'.
"Into Darkness" delighted and irritated me in equal measures.
And I felt that "Beyond" finally gave a firm foothold to grow the Kelvin-verse into its own being.
... and I'm disappointed that (currently) we're not going to see that journey.
Star Trek Beyond's TOS uniforms were the perfect reimagination of the classic look. I wish they went with that in Discovery. It looks modern and uniform-like, but it evokes the feel of the original.
Do you like the Strange New Worlds uniforms from Discovery season 2?
Really? I despise the Beyond uniforms. Those high collars? Ugh. But they are not as bad as the asymmetrical collars from Discovery.
The Kelvin Timeline deserved more imo. Even if i disliked Into Darkness i think it's such a shame they stopped at Beyond which felt more like TOS and Simon Pegg really helped with that film. In spirit Discovery is its successor which i'm really enjoying.
Simon Pegg directing Beyond was a great decision. It's the kelvin movie I love the most because it reminded me of the Voyage Home (the first Star Trek I ever saw). I really hope we get at least one more movie to tie things off, though I wouldn't be surprised if that never happened.
Amm, guys, Star Trek 4 is happening
@@rickhernandez3803its not been officially cancelled, but that doesnt mean its going to happen. Its been in development hell for over 7 years now with no news at all. It might still get made, but theres no reason to assume it will.
At least the Kelvin Timeline wasn't afraid of symmetrical collars. 🥇
Lmao yeah those collars are pretty weird. I love that they kept and (imo brilliantly updated) the pajama uniforms of TOS.
Symmetry is overrated
The Kelvin timeline produced - and to this day still produces - amazing fanfiction. So if nothing else, I am grateful for that. (And no, it's not just porn.)
here from the abby thorn video, love the kelvin timeline and I'm so glad i found this channel
I’m glad you found it too ❤️ welcome!
Regardless of how one feels towards the Kelvin Trilogy and its associated works, I feel that without them, the current Trek shows would not have happened and the franchise would’ve still remained inert.
"Regardless of how one feels towards the Kelvin Trilogy and its associated works, I feel that without them, the current Trek shows would not have happened"
You say it like that'd be a bad thing 🤔
@@Reggie1408 it would be a bad thing, because Trek would have just sat on the shelf gathering dust instead of growing into something new that would lead a new generation.
@@CaptainPikeachu current startrek is stuck with Alex Kurtzman and bad robot because of those movies, the only positive for the Kelvin films was seeing Leonard Nemoy come back once last time.
@@CaptainPikeachu Who is to say that it would not have been revived in a different and maybe even better way?
@@jokester3076 I don’t know how to keep explaining this to people like you but Bad Robot has nothing to do with the current Trek shows. Please educate yourself if you’re going to make accusations.
I was 16 in 2009, Kelvin timeline was exactly what my friends and I needed to get into Star Trek
I probably wouldn't have ever gotten into the older shows and Discovery if it weren't for the 09 Trek. You're absolutely right, it brought it to a new...demographic. :D Thanks for the lovely, emotional retrospective!
The New Star Trek came out after my father passed. He was Spock to us, calm,logical, a watcher of humanity with deep wisdom. Our family went together to see it in the theater & it was like we had him back again for a couple of hours.
My brother & I who had been disconnected since his death (& sadly still are) were like kids again. We had grown up watching all the original movies in theaters & drive-ins.
The series rekindled so many find memories of growing up watching original Star Trek every Saturday (even though we had seen them so many times before). Until TNG became the new thing that I could relate to with enthusiasm!
Thank you for these memories! I love your content so very much!
The Kelvin timeline’s importance for Star Trek is often not talked about enough. Without it, Star Trek would have passed numerous milestones as just a historical relic rather than a living franchise still bringing in new fans. Without the Kelvin timeline, Star Trek would not have been able to figure out how to move forward in this new age of modern filmmaking, it would have languished in the past instead of setting up the waves for new Trek shows on the horizon. We wouldn’t have the push to match cinematic quality, for Star Trek to truly look its best, without Kelvin timeline taking it there visually on the big screen. So many big recasting that we saw with Spock, Pike, Sarek, Amanda, and so on wouldn’t have happened if the Kelvin timeline hadn’t done it first to glowing success. Star Trek took a big step forward into the modern age because the Kelvin timeline pushed it there. I personally hope that since Discovery has opened the door to the Kelvin timeline being canonically acknowledged in the prime timeline, that maybe a Kelvin timeline based show can still happen.
And for me, the Kelvin timeline is what brought my father and my brother to be interested in Star Trek, and it’s guided them onto Picard and Discovery and so on. These films are also the only Trek films I’ve ever seen in theaters and gave me so many moments that I had always wished past Trek were able to do but they never had the budget until now. And really, more than anything else, the Kelvin timeline is no doubt in my mind the reason Captain Pike got his resurgence in this modern era that led to Strange New Worlds, and that for me will always make the Kelvin timeline special to me.
Better to be a relic that is largely agreed-upon than a divisive living thing, one that led to even more divisive other things (Disco & Picard). Before Kelvin, divisiveness inside the fandom was mostly over nitpicks (i.e. are three-nacelle ships viable?), now there are whole universes one must either subscribe to or reject. Kelvin and post-Kelvin normalized the existence of massive fracture lines. I remember fan outrage at the "Klingon" engines of TMP's refit; nobody even thinks that, now, and the design is beloved and considered definitive. They expected fans to eventually fall in line, the way we always have before (echoes of Star Wars Prequel trilogy here), because in their arrogance they don't believe there is a such thing as "a bridge too far". Well, there is, and they hit it. I did not like the Ruin Johnson/ Jar Jar Abrams ship designs, aesthetics, and _most_ of their story decisions (including history changes). I liked the uniforms, that was about it.
@@xheralt oh please 🙄 every time a Trek show came onto the air, it was screams about how it’s not real Star Trek until people moved on to scream about the next new show. TNG got it, DS9 got it, VOY got it, and ENT got it. It was never over just “nitpicks” about nacelles, it was literally people screaming on Trek message boards about how things aren’t real Star Trek and how Rick Berman and his team should be fired. Nowadays it’s just blamed on JJ Abrams and Alex Kurtzman and their teams. It’s the same old bullshit cycle that has always existed with fandom, it just gains more traction now because of social media and channels that exist to fan the flames for clickbait and outrage.
Rian Johnson has nothing to do with Star Trek so I don’t see a point of you bringing him up other than to be an asshole to mock his name because of childish fanboys.
JJ Abrams explored Star Trek in a new timeline, if you’re any Star Trek fan then a film series set in an alternate timeline is hardly anything to freak out over. Trek has done plenty of alternate timelines and things changing. The universe is not ending, the prime timeline is still there and all the things you like are still there. It’s literally just a film set in an alternate timeline, that’s it. And it was done so it can explore different things while not touching upon the prime timeline as a sign of respect and y’all still throw a fit over it.
And no, there aren’t whole universe one must either subscribe to or reject. Star Trek has always had the prime timeline and other timelines and universes existing side by side. Literally nothing has changed.
And you know what, eventually the younger generations who grew up with the Kelvin films and new shows, they won’t care about the adults causing drama, because it won’t matter to them.
One very true statement: A Trek fan is never truly alone. Whatever your favorite film or series, Trekkie or Trekker, you are one of us. Always.
I just watched the kelvin timeline for the first time with my parents and we all loved it as hardcore TOS fans. Sometimes it didn’t work, but mostly it did, and it was overall a good reboot, and a lot of fun.
The Kelvin movies got me into Star Trek. I can never hate it for that reason alone. And the Kelvin timeline isn't bad, it has a few hiccups, but I really enjoy it. It became another hyperfixation for me, and I didn't really want another one because I had a lot, but I'm glad it did. I've learned so much from Star Trek, about myself and others.
Also, I want to thank you Jessie. You and your videos (along with a couple other youtubers) have helped me through me dad's death and the pandemic, so thank you 🖤🤍💜
“A belief in the Trek philosophy of a future where humanity will pursue the best of ourselves and take delight in the differences of others.” This is my favorite! You turn a great phrase, Jessie. 😸
just...I just want one more Kelvin film. and I want it to be good. I loved them when they first came out, and now, years later I rediscovered them at a lonely and confusing period of my life. I’ve started watching the tv shows, but the Kelvin films really are special in that they provided the initial wonder of this vision of the future - one I find so comforting now when my own future seems quite bleak. It would be interesting to see these iterations of these characters at a more advanced position in their careers (since the actors are older anyways). But like.... we probably won’t get this? Nevertheless I’m happy that these films even happened.
I have two words for Paramount: SMALLER BUDGETS.
The Kelvin movies are fine. I think they are more even in quality than the new Star Wars films.
This so much! Go for smaller, intimate stories, less world changing stakes, the best of trek usually is not about big action sequences, but characters and questions about humanity itself.
@@evandrofisico3094yeh msyb experiment with diffrent genres like mdybe do smal,er scale star trek movies tht coud bd msdevfor 40 to 50 million
Since Anton/Chekov died I thought they might replace him with the 3 armed alien from the animated series.
I didn’t even realize how young you were and when you started. I was the right age to watch TNG and VOY. Can’t emphasize enough how my mom chose my skinny, on-the-spectrum dad because he reminded her of Spock. I was happy to have new Trek, and I think being a 2nd-generation Trekkie helps accept changes. I also think it’s important that Trek is primarily TV, at home every week with family, while the films are big events, but secondary, and either great or embarrassing, but still cherished. Imagine how great Trek would be if we had a Trek post-scarcity society.
I grew up on TOS and enjoyed the Kelvin timeline. But, I also love reading alternate histories and such so seeing the original crew in a different universe was exciting. I felt Into Darkness could have been better, but the makers felt they needed to provide fan service instead. 2009 and Beyond I really enjoyed and felt it brought Star Trek to a new audience.
I recall reading somewhere that the reason the original crew got together in the Kelvin timeline was the universe trying to repair itself. I would love to see a movie address that, but have no idea how they could. Still, I agree one more movie would be awesome.
Hopefully the Kelvin timeline will continue in some way with either a 4th film or on tv instead.
It did get a shout-out on Discovery last season, with the conversation about Lt. Yor, a character from the Kelvin Universe's TNG-era.
Star Trek Into Darkness was my first Star Trek movie I (when it came out in theaters, I still have the ticket from the theaters) saw. I saw with a friend who really likes Star Trek and unfortunately the only thing that the movie left behind was a fuzzy memory of having seen it. However eventually my mind became curious again and that curiosity eventually got me to watch the entirety of the Prime Timeline.
That video of Simon had me in tears
100%
Your stories about the timing of each film in your personal life really moved me! I know a lot of folks with similarly profound connections to these films-- in my case, Star Trek literally got me into MIT. Beyond came out the summer before my HS junior year. My dad was a fan as a kid but never really introduced it to me until, in preparation to see Beyond in theaters, he showed me 2009 and Into Darkness. I was hooked instantly. Star Trek really did push me, at that crucial moment, to go all in, and to strive for things I never thought were possible. I ended up writing my admissions essay about Trek's profound impact on my life, and they seemed to like it enough to let me in! I even had Kate Mulgrew sign my admissions letter since Janeway was a major inspiration for me, but I never would have watched Voyager if I hadn't seen 2009 first. Love your content and thanks for highlighting an often-underappreciated corner of Trek canon!
I know they've recently started preproduction on Star Trek 4, which is really exciting, so I thought I'd put my idea for the fourth Kelvin timeline film here.
It has been years since the events of Star Trek: Beyond. Some of the crew remains together on one ship, while others have taken up their own command, or have moved to other ships, with other captains. Chekov notably rose the ranks and became the first officer to Captain Samantha Archer, on the USS Mayflower. Unbeknownst to Chekov's former crewmates, the Mayflower encounters a previously undiscovered alien species (so, um... new alein species? Or an existing specues that they haven't discovered yet, possibly even bringing in a species from the Animated Series?) and initiates First Contact. However, something terrible happens, and the Mayflower is destroyed, with no living crew members, other than the few members of the landing party who were kept as prisoners.
Starfleet is unsure of whether or not Chekov is among the deceased, but they inform his old Enterprise crewmates anyway. They all act in denial at first, as well as rage, and they accept the mission to save the landing party.
Over the course of the film, they arrive at the home planet of the new species and use their brute force to inquire as to the whereabouts of the landing party. They successfully roll a Nat 20 for intimidation and learn they are being held on a runaway prisoner transport ship. They catch uo to the ship, and a battle insues in which the Enterprise is ambushed. They manage to fight off the enemy ships, and Kirk and Spock board the lead ship and free the landing party while Sulu takes command of the Enterprise using his command experience from the Excelsior to buy time until Kirk and Spock return.
Kirk and Spock, upon rescuing the landing party ask Captain Archer is Chekov was among them. Samantha gives a hesitant, sorrowful, "No". Kirk manages to keep his cool, albeit barely, but Spock, in a manner that hasn't been seen since Into Darkness, goes full rage mode and captures the ship, eventually interrogating the captain as to what happened to his friend, all the while holding a phaser on kill to the side of his head that he demonstrated on the rest of the bridge crew. The captain, in an odd twist, reveals it was all a misunderstanding; a mistake. And Spock, as well as the other Enterprise crew, have to accept that their friend died in vain, for no reason at all.
This story idea is obviously not gery fleshed out, and could use far more detail. But I came up with this on the spot, and so I personally find this an impressive achievement on my part. I do consider myself a writer, but honestly, this is the only time I've ever proposed something for Star Trek. And as such, I didn't want to present anything grand or over the moon in terms of scope or implications for Star Trek. Instead, I wanted to present a deeply personal, "down to Earth" story about losing a friend and seeing different people deal with that loss in very different ways. It is also just a love letter to Anton, and a way of allowing the cast and crew to express their love for him onscreen, and to really accept that sometimes accidents happen. Hell, I'm tearing up right now writing this paragraph.
Let me know what you all think of this pitch, and feel free to add to it in any way.
The kelvin films are really important to me, specially ST: beyond. something in that movie really got the best of me. and got me curious. i remember distinctly getting out of the cinema theater needing more of what i had just seen. but i was probably seeing Yorktown and seeing that hopeful future where people are not perfect but everyone can understand each other, really stuck with me. after that i got into voyager and discovery and the rest.
but ST: beyond will always be one of my favorite movies because it really changed my life
I saw Star Trek 2009 in IMAX and although I have seen films I like more, that was the greatest cinematic experience of my life. I was literally crying with joy all the way through 💜💜💜
Are the Kelvin movies slick/shiny and more action-oriented? Yes. Do I still enjoy them for being fun? Hell yes.
The Kelvin movies rekindled my interest in the series and they brought me a lot of joy rewatching over the years, seeing unique timelines of same characters is just a lot of fun.
Oh wow that's so interesting that the community is so much more of a part of the enjoyment of star trek for you, I feel completely the opposite, I could enjoy it alone forever, though I do get a kick out of sharing it with my partner once in a while.
In a very wholesome and parasocial way, I really love you💚 This retrospective has been amazing and this final episode was perfect. I have many things to say about the Kelvin timeline but it basically boils down to: It's Trek. Their are parts I love, parts I don't like and parts that I'm meh but the parts I love are the important ones. Also ST:Beyond is perfect. You were also completely correct about the Parent thing. It was my mom showing me TOS re-runs in the late 70's early 80s that got me into Trek and then we watched TNG together as it aired. While my parental relations are problematic at best the Trek memories are some of the few good ones.
As someone who doesn't love the Kelvin films, I appreciate your take. Even though I don't find those films rewatchable it did keep Star Trek going, and as long as new shows keep coming, more people will get to experience the beauty of the rest of the franchise.
I've been a Star Trek fan my whole life and shared that love with my family. Star Trek 09 was the first new Star Trek I experienced with my future wife and it and the subsequent films will always hold a special place in our hearts.
It's always good to see the Kelvin Timeline getting some love. Gotta love everything Star Trek 🌌🚀❤
I was watching this and you said that the 2009 "Star Trek" came out a little before you graduated high school, and because of where I was in the world at that time, it came out the day I graduated. It just occurred to me that we're almost the same age. You're doing a great job! Keep it up!
My mother introduced me to Star Trek with the next generation as she watched it when I grew up and it easily drew my attention.
And I always love hearing how others have similar experiences
Star Trek 2009 got me into Trek which turned me to ToS, DS9, Voyager etc etc which turned me against the Kelvin timeline.
I appreciate and thank 2009 for getting me into Trek. I'm now novels deep in Peter David's new frontier series and loving it but no longer consider the Kelvin timeline *my* star trek but I appreciate what it got me into
I owe the Kelvin timeline my introduction to the Star Trek universe and making the relationship with my dad much better. Till we watched the 09 movie back in 2010, we had a lot of issues and I never felt close to him or understood him. Then we watched the movie, from there it felt like we slowly went from the bottom to the top. Him talking about the series, about TOS and TNG, felt like we had finally something in common now and realized that we liked the same things (space, sci-fi) The Kelvin movies and Star Trek became what change something in my life for the best.
What The Kelvin Timeline Means To Me: it was probably the best diagentic example of a reboot this side of the First Crisis...but waaayy simpler. That aspect always impressed me.
Hehe, when I hear you talk about Enterprise and Kelvin movies being your gateway into Trek I always are reminded I am now middle aged and no longer part of the younger generation.... lol
I remember my dad watching reruns of TOS which sparked my curiosity when I was really young. But I only really got into it when TNG started to air. I really was bummed out when TNG ended. Due to my love for TNG and being bummed out it stopped I always had a bit of trouble caring for new trek. Especially when they started to do prequels which made me feel they wiped out the TNG legacy. Making me feel there would be no continuation of the TNG time line. I remember renting a video tape of ST 1st contact and was totally sold. Making me watch all other trek movies there were. Including the TOS ones. Making me appreciate the TOS universe. I also started to binch watch Voyager and DS9 when they came out on DVD....before streaming services became a thing...
Anyway Kelvin time line...I watched the first one with my younger brother in theaters and...we both did not like it. In short, it was just not the trek we loved. I only saw all the Kelvin movies once I think. Maybe I saw the first one twice, not sure anymore. But never had much interest in re-watching them. But it is nice to see it sparked the love for Trek with a younger generation like you. Ironically the new movies made me crave for more "90's trek". Which made me buy Enterprise on DVD and re-watch those episodes as it came closest to 90's trek. Making me actually appreciate the series. I actually hated they cancelled the show when I finished it as I really loved the episodes "Demons" and "Terra Prime". Which made me feel Enterprise still had potential. Instead they gave us that horrible ending episode "These Are the Voyages..." which really did the series short. And then to think it was a TNG inspired episode....and me being a TNG fan boy....
Anyway, maybe I will try to rewatch the Kelvin time line movies, like I did with Enterprise. Maybe I will appreciate it more now more time has gone by.
My grandpa on my mom's side was a huge science fiction nerd and watched all of the science fiction shows and films, including Star Trek, Star Wars, Quantum Leap, Lost in Space and SeaQuest DSV. My mom used to also watch many of these programs and I am also a bit of a sci-fi nerd, which I attribute to my grandpa and watching the original Star Wars trilogy together when I was in preschool age.
I agree that one more film as a finisher for the series would’ve been great. Beyond just didn’t seem like an “end.” However, I don’t blame the cast for not really wanting to come back after Anton died. I have followed Anton’s career since he was a little kid and his death hit me very very hard. I had to be talked into seeing Beyond after he did. My spouse told me I’d regret not seeing Anton on the big screen one last time. While we he was right, it was *so* hard. It didn’t help that one of the major themes of that film was death, that hurt. All this, and I didn’t even know the man personally. So I can’t imagine how his friends would feel trying to go back to that franchise.
I come from a family of ST fans - from my parents watching it in the 60s (with me sitting behind the couch, not because I was scared but at 9 years of age I should have been in bed), through to my brother and SIL and their daughters and, hopefully, my great niece. My folks died in 2004 and 2005 so they never got to see the Kelvin timeline, so it's interesting to speculate what they would have thought. They were also massive, massive Babylon 5 fans.
My grandfather introduced me to TOS, which I'd seen a handful of episodes of before I found TNG on my own as a wee babby, and in so doing changed my life forever.
Also, our kiddos giggle every time we get to your singing patrons list, so thank you for that.
I've only just started the video... and the bit with Simon Pegg really gets to me.
These were very much the Star Trek movies that really kickstarted my true enjoyment of the franchise, and each one has a special place in my heart. I will forever be a staunch defender of these films, and what they brought to such a wonderful universe, both good and bad. I truly hope we will see at least one more, but if we don't... I'll always remember just how wonderful it was while it lasted.
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Also, I need to say that I loved hearing how each film kinda has its own significance to certain points in your life, particularly when you started talking about how you started to transition. I've recently become friends with someone who is in the middle of her transition, and someone who is having a hard time finding the courage to come out to the people she knows. Hearing their stories really grips me because of just how different they are, and yet how hard they are or were for the both of them. It's full of people who sadly would not support, or even hurt them, so that message of the Kelvin films, telling us as you say to be better... it just strikes a chord with me. For what it's worth, thank you for sharing that story, and thank you for a wonderful look at the legacy of this part of Star Trek.
I “missed” you Jessie! Meaning I religiously watched your channel’s episode reviews every week during “Lower Decks “ season 1 and “Disco” season 3
Great video on this topic. I have always been indifferent about the Kelvin timeline but great to see your passion. Oh and "The Good Fight" is awesome :)
Somewhere there exists an alternative universe in which Tarantino's Stark Trek was made.
I would love if you did a long-form video on the show Legion it was amazing and it didn't get enough credit🖖🏽
I love the movies, I love all versions of Star Trek even the ones which aren't intellectually very fulfilling, in anyone I find gems, teachings, smiles, and tears. But overall I find hope for the future. And spectacle isn't a sin.
I got into trek myself during the early TNG era as my dad was an old school fan of TOS and the movies, and when he got home from his mil job at the North Bay underground facility, it was "sit down and shut up, startrekky is on or go outside and play for the next hour". At first I disregarded the show, but when winter showed up and going outside to play wasn't always (canadian winters btw, or canuckistan summer as we call it) an option, i started to watch it with him, and the trek magic slowly grew on me.
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If they make the Hemsworth movie, it should heavily feature David. I tend to think of the Kelvin timeline movies as Kirk's second chance to live a life with fewer regrets. Prime Kirk, for all of his heroic attributes was by the end a deeply unhappy man who had made a lot of wrong choices in his life. Fittingly, in Beyond he sidestepped the promotion which he always regretted in the prime timeline. But his biggest regret seems to have been putting career above family and never having been a part of his son's life. In my view the job of any fourth Kelvin film is to reconcile that and give this Kirk the chance to help raise his son and perhaps ultimately making the choice to put family over career and giving up his command for the right reasons.
Okay since we are talking about the importance of trek (I know this isnt specifically about the Kelvin timeline but it wouldn't have happened without it) so I came out as non-binary to my friends like just over a month ago now, and thankfully everyone was super supportive (at a guess its because all my friends were already trans or non-binary) but like a couple of days later we had the episode of Disco where Adira comes out to Stamets, and that H I T M E. Obviously I already knew that Adira was non-binary because of the behind the scenes casting announcement, but having that scene happen that week actually really fucking effected me and made me click with that character way more than just representation aspect.
Kelvin will always have a special place in my heart. One because it was a bonding moment with my college friends. Two, because it was my introduction into Star Trek. Without them, i would never have watched any other trek.
Thank you, this is a beautiful video. I love the Kelvin timeline, it's what truly got me into star trek and TOS. It means the world to me so see this content being made♡
I started watching Star Trek when I was a wee little one. TOS was being played in reruns, and I really liked it. When I was 9, my mom discovered a new show was going to be starting: TNG. She made sure that I was there to watch the pilot episode, and we watched every episode of the 7-year run together since. When DS9 came out, I was resentful because it seemed to me to be usurping MY show (TNG), but I quickly came to enjoy it as well. In time, I watched Voyager and Enterprise, finding things to enjoy in both shows. No Star Trek has been perfect, far from it, but I've enjoyed them all. When the Kelvin Timeline movies began, I was so excited. It was great to have some big screen Trek again. They were enjoyable movies, I thought. And because of them, new Trek tv shows began happening. From Disco to Picard to Lower Decks, I'm digging these new shows. I'm super excited for New Frontiers. I like the diversity of shows that we're getting. It's an amazing time to be a fan of this franchise! I'm glad I got to be here for it.
Jessie’s worst enemy: the Sun!
Both my parents are black trekkies...my pop like uhura and no racism in space....and my mom liked Kirk...watched all the episodes with my dad...
I love your work and your beautiful soul, Jessie.
You are cool and brave. You are creating and manifesting the Federation with your hopeful words.
I started watching Star Trek the Next Generation at eight-years-old season 2, and have been ridiculously obsessed and in love with Star Trek pretty much my entire life I don't even really remember much before that age LOL
Been a star trek fan for over 35 years and still very much enjoyed the kelvin films.
The Kelvin timeline has about the same relevancy to Star Trek that the 70s animated series has. Especially when the bulk of the cast are at the "I'm famous now, so pay me more" stage of that universe.
For the longest time I had been a Star Trek fan in theory. I grew up watching the occasional Voyager episode, I had friends in college who were into Star Trek and they'd have it on and I'd watch it occasionally with them. It always seemed like the sort of thing that, if I were to take the plunge, I could get really into. I am the sort of person who fixates on things that I like so I tend to be leery of starting a new thing knowing that it might consume my life for the next while. Then when the 2009 film came out, I was working at a planetarium with a bunch of nerds and one day a manager there said he'd buy tickets for anyone who wanted to go see the new Star Trek film after work that day. Most of us took him up and we had a great time. While watching, I kept seeing these reactions from the people around me, laughing at inside jokes and references I didn't get. It was there that I started getting more curious, wanting to really know what made Star Trek so special to these people. That's what made me decide to dive in finally. I started with TNG, watched all of that, went on to DS9 then TOS and from there have only kept going. I'm a relatively recent Star Trek fan, but I am a fan for life now, and I do owe a lot of that to the Kelvin films. And now I can watch the Kelvin films and both get the references and be annoyed at the more watered down elements. I guess I've made it 😆
The Kelvin timeline will always have special place in my heart these movies introduced me into Star Trek and if it wasn’t for Kelvin timeline I would not have been fan of star trek , my favourite is beyond out of all the Kelvin timeline
Thanks for giving me a new perspective on the Kelvin timeline.
To me, what makes Star Trek different from Star Wars is that the subtext is more important than the text, and I never felt that the Kelvin timeline gave that to me.
I did love the casting and the actors and the text was thrilling. I also appreciated that they expanded the diversity.
I just didn't walk out of the theater with my head swimming in Big Ideas like with old Trek.
Anyway, thanks again for giving me new eyes here.
thank you for your hard work
The Good Fight is just the best show on CBS All Access. Not kidding. And I’m a Trek nerd.
This is so weird!! I am literally watching Star Trek (2009) right now!!
Jessie, this is freaky. 🖖🏾
the first Star Trek movies I saw were the Kelvin's ones and I loved them. So much so that I started reading fanfics and watching the previus Star trek movies and series. I even subscribed to a streaming service just because they had Strange New World in their catalog. Many criticize the Kelvin Timeline movies, but if it wasn't for them, many people of my generation wouldn't have known this franchise. I would love to see at least one more Kelvin film with this cast.
I was 12 when I saw the first Kelvin Timeline movie in a cinema. Had already consumed most of the rest of the franchise at that point and absolutely loved it but *this* film was mine. I got to experience new Star Trek happening right in front of me. Went to see it with my family as well as my elementary school best friend and his family. My sister (9 at the time) and I both dressed up in starfleet uniforms that were a bit too big because they didn't come in children's sizes
What I'm trying to say is, that a lot of people who complain these days about modern Star Trek have consumed it in a similar way. They got the old stuff "out of the can" basically through DVD sets and recorded VHS tapes. So of course there's this longing to experience it first hand one day, but when the day comes, they're surprised that fresh food doesn't taste the same as warmed up leftovers
So instead of making this new thing theirs, they're just sad that they're not getting new leftovers
When they came out I was pretty lukewarm on 2009 and Into Darkness, but I adored the comics set between them and after ID. The way they weaved Original Series stories with a Kelvin twist was pretty darn awesome, and they're among some of my favourite comics. I also really enjoyed the Kelvin set video game, despite its flaws. But Star Trek Beyond was a phenomenal experience, and quickly became my all time favourite Star Trek film. I would be quite happy to see another Kelvin film
Dude, you ROCK!! I love your stuff, keep trekkin'
As someone who literally waited to put my mom in to labor till after a TNG episode was over and growing up on "old Trek" my whole life ST'09 was fun and updated but never felt like My trek but more for the fact that I had the Least emotional attachment to the TOS TMP era characters. Your retrospective has helped me see a different perspective and has helped me come to have a deeper and more nuanced understanding of the Kelvin timeline movies and has helped me come to like them more as movies. But the lens flares can still go 🤪
Ughh I just found your channel from the Abigail Thorn video and now I'm conflicted whether to just binge all your vids or finish watching star trek first 😂
Those Vulcan learning pods, I gather they were introduced in 2009? I'm currently obsessed with those, and also that Rihanna song at the end of Beyond.
A bunch of great stuff in between too!
I agree, the Kelvin timeline needs a proper conclusion. Then again, it's strangely fitting it was also "cancelled" following its third installment, before the story was properly done. Maybe, the next film will be a TMP-like reunion in 2029. That would be fun. As for the new shows... I like them all. They still have some major bugs to work out, but overall, I like them for their quality, themes and variety. Whereas TNG and VGR and early ENT were almost identical in style, DSC, PIC and LDS are all quite different from one another and SNW, S31 and PRO also seem to not be repeating the other shows. 4 live actions shows and 2 animated shows at the same time, all unique in style, I have nothing but hope for the franchise right now. I am also not opposed to the idea of a film with an original (purpose-built) cast of characters and a unique story.
Great video, as always, Jessie.
My dad one time brought up TOS, I tried it but errrr couldn't get past the dated visuals. Then 2009 came out and we eventually got around to watching it together to catch up for Into Darkness. At the time they blew my mind and were the coolest thing ever, of course now ith a retrospective I can see more of their flaws, but it's what got me into the series and made me go back and get into TNG and try and binge watch it all over summer (I missed the mark a bit lol). I was really into trek as a whole for a while and would read fics that mostly went right over my head because of the lore I didn't know. Then I was pretty pumped when Beyond came out and liked it way more and really liked Jayla.
Kelvin was far from perfect, but it got me to dig deeper and I look back fondly on its existence, flawed as it is.
Wonderful series, Thank you so much... I know they sped things up a little, and they played with some of the science but, I still love those films..... And, I hope they do at least, one more, to wrap things up !!!!
Probably an important (and easily forgotten) impact was - it proved that people would accept other actors playing much beloved characters. Without that we wouldn't accept a new Pike/Spock/Sarek.
Remember not too long before (about 17 years) they proposed a movie "Starfleet Academy" recasting younger versions, and there was a giant letter writing campaign to stop it (I know, I was part of it). But with so many of the cast older, and some passed on, it felt more the time to accept this.
I like when Jessie makes super fun videos. Keep up the great work 😁
The Kelvin timeline gave space to imagination for tons and tons of fanfiction and fan art.
Including a few stories of my own.
Beyond was my first Trek. I may have over heard a couple episodes of DS9 from my dad's Man Cave, but I never watched any of Trek proper. Only cultural osmosis. Years later I would get into Trek proper though friends, but Beyond is the one that made me think that being a trekkie wasn't a fandom that requires reading encyclopedias and hundreds of novels.
i want more of the uniforms, especially the beyond uniform, best by far of any trek
Okay, great video... But the patron shout-outs were the best part
I really like star trek beyond it feels like the perfect mix action and classic Trek. Can't wait for the video your videos are fantastic
As someone who honestly isn't the biggest fan of the Kelvin-timeline movies, I also did a little reflecting when CBS and Paramount recombined like some kind of entertainment saucer section and drive section, given that it cast the Kelvin-timeline movies' futures into such doubt.
I really liked the casting basically across the board. I'm not sure the scripts or direction always best served the cast, but the cast itself with Pine and Quinto and Urban and Saldana and Pegg and Cho really did contribute wonderfully to the movies. While I might have prefered a more mature Kirk (even accounting for his younger age), and more wise Spock, and more rounded characters all around, none of that can be laid at the feet of the actors. All of them have given incredible performances in their careers.
I also really liked seeing Leonard Nimoy one more time in his career-defining role (take that, Transformers sequel). His calm kindness was a perfect way to show where Spock's character arc went in the end.
More than anything else, though, I couldn't be happier with all of the new and diverse (in every way) folks who became part of the fandom because of the Kelvin-timeline movies. Seeing so many new folks joining the forums and message boards and such as each of these new movies came out, with their excitement about Star Trek at warp factor 9.97 and hungry for more Star Trek and ready to share their fan theories about John Harrison (who couldn't possibly be Khan, right?) or Idris Elba was more fun than I can articulate. I may be a curmudgeon about the Kelvin movies on things like plot, editing, characterization, and worldbuilding, but I know a healthy and thriving fandom when I see it. Gatekeepers be damned, the Kelvinites are Trek fans just like the rest of us. With every new thread, our tapestry grows more rich and full and beautiful.
A good summing up of the situation to date.
With cinema as a whole changing due to the rise of HD streaming, who knows what the future of Trek movies will be like?
I am finding myself in the odd position of both enjoying Star Trek (Since way back) But also enjoying YOUR fandom. Thank you
I really would like a Kelvin IV film, which would tell the stories of Uhura, Sulu and yes, Chekhov! There should be some justice for the supporting actors!
Personally I get into star trek through Kelvin timeline when I watched that movie I was blown away by how good it was
I'm one of those that began watching the reruns of the original series in the 80's and then watched TNG. Then I became a teenager and got a girlfriend and was too busy for TV, LOL. I've always considered myself a passive fan. I've seen bits and pieces of every show and I've seen every movie at least once, but I do have to say, the Kelvin Timeline is my favorite part of the franchise.
I'll always have a love for the Kelvin timeline movies, Beyond being my favourite and the one I think captures the essense of Trek the best! But the first one I watched, and the first piece of Trek media I really engaged with was Into Darkness (Yeah, I know... I dunno why I'm still here either). I was living in Bulgaria as an exchange student, and a friend in our exchange group asked if I would go see it with him because he knew that I also liked sci-fi. He gave me a brief explanation of everything I would need to know as a newbie that I hadn't acquired through cultural osmosis. And though there was a lot I didn't like about it (a man named Khan being played by Benedict Cumberbatch and the unecessary nudity of Carol Marcus making me laugh in disbelief in the cinema), I found I liked the main cast and their performances enough to watch 2009 with him when he promised it was a better movie. So I also always feel like I first got into Trek in an odd way, at an odd time. It wasn't until years later, when Discovery was about to be released and had piqued my interest, that I watched Voyager and DS9 on Netflix and fell in love with those two series. Now I'm the one telling everyone who'll listen that they need to watch Lower Decks lol
For me the Kelvin films were able to breathe life into the Trek franchise. Now it was not the type of life that many wanted, but life returned to this franchise. Current Trek may be more diverseive than in past, but that is a good thing. As long as people in mass talk about this franchise we will have Trek. When I was a teenager no one talked about Trek in mass because of bad movies and an unpopular series. Now people are giving either their love or hate to Trek. It is because this dialogue that we haven't had a fourth film, because while Trek is popular it is not easy to pull off. And it is studios and people realizing this that we see the changes occurring before our eyes. And that gives hope Trek will continue.
This was amazing. Thank you for sharing.
I feel like the smartest thing would be a final Kelvin film and have it cross over with Picard/Discovery. Maximum butts in seats.
I 100% agree with you on the point of Star Trek (being our best selves, improving, learning, friendship, sharing, etc.), and I'm glad that others are able to connect with Star Trek through... well, anything that gets them there.
Personally, I super enjoyed the Kelvin films, but..... I don't feel like they're "Star Trek." I've always suspected that J. J. Abrams is more of a marketing representative than a writer. I often describe him as, "Someone who doesn't 'get it,' who makes movies for people that 'don't understand things'."
Ultimately, I feel like the Kelvin movies are just a bunch of attractive people running around in action sequences. And while there's nothing wrong with that (I'm personally a huge fan of Star Trek's sexual positivity), the films really just missed the "spiritual kernel" of what makes Star Trek, Star Trek. I do feel like Beyond was the best of the bunch though. And again, they were fun.
Great video, btw. Glad to have you aboard our ship.
Lens flares detected!
Seriously though, I'd love to go to the movie theater some day in the future to watch another movie with that Pine+Quinto+Zaldana+Pegg+Urban cast. Here's hoping!