I don’t understand why everyone automatically expects Bourne (who had just lost his lover) to develop some kind of new relationship with one of the lead actresses (Nikki or Pamela). Also why do they feel Nikki was underutitlized? She was in a 3rd of the movie, and frankly, she had more screen time than Marie this time around.
I think most films, especially spy films tend to have the main character find a new love interest every new film they have so it's almost expected now, like Bond when they have a new girl or two every movie
For Jen. The reason Bourne was focusing on the two Russians he killed in Berlin is cause remember he was being framed for killing two people in Berlin. And that helped his memories in his first mission being in Berlin. Which was off the books. Cause Nikki didn't even know about Berlin. She told Bourne that "your first assignment was Geneva". Then Bourne went off on her and put the gun to her head. I think a second watch might help connect the story for you.
@@mrwatermelo50 Grazing an ear and getting shot through the head are two different things my man. And the disturbed little man that shot him was no sniper either.
The thing i really really like about this franchise is that Jason doesnt have high end gadgets at his disposal. He literally has nothing and needs to figure it out on the fly. Grabbing an Emergency Escape board off a wall to see some blueprints to know where he's going. Grabbing a radio from the guy he knocked out to be able to tell where everybody is coming from. Grabbing a book or a pen and use it as a weapon for CQB etc.
Remember at the beginning in that Jason Bourne and Marie switched seats at the beginning of the car chase, leading the sniper to believe he shot the driver seat's occupant, and thus killing his objective. On top of that, any special forces training will have had Bourne trained to endure longer underwater times, buying him the necessary time to escape view from his enemy's point of view from the bridge. Very well thought out directing/writing/screenplay. So the trope of the bad guy not waiting to confirm the body here wasn't a trope at all and well within reason, especially since we aren't given a definitive amount of time passed from the sniper shot to the jeep recovery.
He apologizes because he only went through with that mission because he wanted to prove himself to Chonclin and the agency. But not only did he go against his conscience, he did an unsanctioned hit against someone for the personal/political benefit of his supervisors... the guy wasnt s national security threat. Jason never had to take out innocent people and doesnt want to, but he burried that part to be accepted into the agency. But it keeps haunting him which is why he still remembers and dreams about it. It also sheds light on why he didn't go through with taking out Wambozi in the first movie. He'd been haunted by his past action, and was about to repeat it, but couldnt, thus he got pewpewed in the back.
jason would have no way of knowing if it was unsanctioned, he only followed orders, as he was trained. Jason would not have been told if his targets were security threats or innocent only that they were his targets, but in the neski case it went wrong when he killed the wife who was not a target, that was why he felt remorse for his actions. When he went to wambozi he saw his son and could not kill a child so he failed to kill wambozi and was shot escaping, then hit his head when he fell into the water causing his amnesia.
@rmora1 and in Ultimatum, we see that when hes asked in the interrogation room to eleminate the hooded man, his question is "what did he do". The answer he gets back is something pretty much just alluding to the guy being a bad actor, so he does it. But that brings us to one of themes in the series, and its that the agents in the program have given up their humanity to be a part it. They act as machines and its hurting them, giving them the migraines. And i already made it clear that hes mainly remorseful for the wife, but the icing on the cake was finding out it wasnt for national security reasons, but his supervisors personal reason. The end of Ultimatum, he says to the other assassin two things to nail it all home. He asks, "do you know why youre suppose to kkell me?", then he says, "look at what they make give up". Thats not just a call back to first movie, it encapsulates all that we have been discovering about Jason Bourne and the Treadstone/Blackbriar programs
The reason he went to the girl to apologize was because that was his 1st mission and the only one he can remember. As for thst style of camera work when fighting it made them look like they were really fast fighters.
These movies were so integral in my childhood that when I was in college and visited Europe with my parents, whenever I heard police sirens we would joke that “Jason was back at it again”
@ oh that sounds like a lot of fun, we’ve done that with The Fugitive since part of it was filmed in Western NC where we would spend many of our vacations (though I doubt we will in the near future since the hurricane)
The reason for the Neski girl was because it was a complete off the books BS mission, and it was related to why he didn't kill Wambosi in the first movie!
Marie was shot in the front of the head with a high caliber rifle. Her death would have been obvious to Jason, from front and back, even if the hit was only glancing.
Agreed, I think this is part of the movie that suffers from the PG-13 rating. In general, I trust the trained assassin to be able to KNOW when someone is dead and not recoverable, and have the ability to shut off those deep emotions enough to let her go and escape and deal with the pain later.
I also agree. Just a correction, they were driving away from the shooter so she was shot in the back of the head but that's semantics, the statement still is true otherwise imo.
@@neilaslayer yes that is the part that would make people believe Marie was shot in the front, if she was shot in the back of the head like the movie alluded there should have been a giant portion of her face missing from the exit wound but that would have a major backlash from viewers already upset with them killing her off in the first place.
Fun fact: The scene in the house where where Jason unplugs the gas and uses magazine in toaster to blow up the house was tested by Mythbusters and they disproved it.
Long felt this, but especially after reading comments here, Marie getting killed switches Jason from defensively running, hiding/protecting Marie to offense of going after Treadstone and Kiril(Marie's killer). I know in the books it's different, but the film seems to be using that narrative throughput. As far as the Nevski girl, he says to her 'When people are taken from you, you wanna know why', so I think losing Marie while having the Berlin murders flashing in his brain made him empathize with her loss and he wanted to atone. Similar to how we see him developing with not killing the old guy as opposed to recording him and saying 'She wouldn't want me too'. Her death, and just her having been his life makes him evolve.
Of all his kills, her farther was his first mission target and him killing her mother was just collateral damage, as part of the cover up to hide that he was there. He's working thrugh his demons of guilt and thats his oldest demon. He would rather have the daughter hate him for the truth, than hate her perants for the lie. I like the 3rd one best.
@ yes he “co-wrote” Rogue One, which was the credit they gave him for bringing him in to direct the extensive re-shoots and re-writes that saved the movie
@@randallwhalen3239 He did kiss her goodbye after a half attempt at CPR because he already knew she was gone. I don't agree with the idea that he was taking air from her lungs to stay under longer. What little air he gets from her lungs is going to be filled with CO2 and thus not help. Unless the implication is for her to stay under? To which I ask...why?
I remember watching this film in theaters and we got stuck sitting in one of the first 5 rows, and i got sooo motion sick during the movie bc of the way they filmed it. 😭
So maybe you should stop watching movies and just look at photos. Movies don't cause motion sickness, anymore than washing your car causes rain. You have motion sickness the movie just lets you experience it while sitting comfortably in front of a TV!
3 notes: Regards the shaky cam - you fail to recall this was NOT made for video or TV sized screens, it was made for theatrical release, where screens are 40-60 feet wide. With large screen your zone of focus of the eyes is rather small, occupying only a small fraction of the screen. it is not nearly as jarring in that case, and it gives the sense you are actually there as your head would be bouncing around with Jason. Many movies suffer from improper perspective when watched on laptop sized or even larger TV screens. Two is Marie's death = if you watched on a large enough screen she was shot in the head - which is essentially like a switch regards death. Jason was already about 50 feet under water when he tried mouth to mouth and he understood she was gone. The scene was appropriate regards the no nonsense, pragmatic nature of Bourne. And three, Jason went to the girl, because he remembered killing her parents and he learned it was not sanctioned because Nikki did not know about it. Everyone else he killed were indeed bad people, but this mission was not - and he felt akin to the daughter's pain having lost Marie.... Also remember why he hesitated to kill Wombosi in the first film, because his children were on his lap - his conscience could not accept the collateral damage and this daughter was the same kind of thing - so the story works if you watch/listen carefully.
I will say I am like Jen in that for some reason I don't really like Julia Stiles as an actress, but, yes, in that scene I am thoroughly convinced she is "pants-shittingly terrified"
I think it was the Bourne films that really pushed the shaky cam look as a mainstream effect for future filmmakers, and I do love it... up until a certain point, which by then I'm falling out of my chair due to the vertigo induced by this movie.
My take on the whole didn’t do enough to check on Marie to make sure she was gone, while he doesn’t remember enough he was a trained killer and knows when someone is beyond saving, and his first instinct after knowing is to make sure he can get himself out of the situation
I love Holden's dad jokes. Julia Stiles, I haven't seen her in much, but I think she's an underrated actress. I hate that they killed off Marie the way they did. I write books and I have characters killed off, but I don’t kill them off like that lol. All the cut scenes are whatever. Hollywood does more fight choreography in one camera move nowadays, Cobra Kai does one shot fights a lot just like Daredevil did with the hallway scene.
Holden's comment, "After meeting me, I'm the only one that's gonna be alive." Is similar to the the title of the film NOVEMBER MAN. "We used to call you the November man, because after you came through town, nothing lived." BTW, that is an excellent spy/action film starring Pierce Brosnan (3X James Bond) and Luke Bracey and Will Patton. Jen will love it.
I think using shakey cam for the Bourne films is a perfect marriage. The art of it is that each shot tends to just give you one detail & if you’re honed in, it can ironically be a very focused viewing experience. A still frame is not adequate enough to allow us to focus in on what Jason sees. I think it’s a smart choice & I don’t think it takes away from the impact of each scene.
Holy sh.. I'm on here writing to bust you for the "spoiler alert" you hinted at with the shaky cam intro and then the comment of the day comes up and I stop typing to watch and low & behold, it's me 😅. Back to the spoiler ⚠️, I'm guessing you are definitely going to comment, during & after, on the unfortunate filming style of the era. Thank you, I'm honored to be "TCOTD" 🙏❤from🇨🇦
The Bourne movies are no masterpieces, but they are just fun. They are part of my "comfort list" of movies. My ultimate comfort movies is a tie between The Mummy and Fellowship of the Ring (keep in mind that being in the comfort list does not exclude a movie from being a masterpiece. Cough cough, Fellowship).
I remember seeing this movie, napoleon dynamite and the manchurian candidate all in the same day. My friend was a manager at the theatre so I got to walk around freely with no tickets that day.
Let me just say I appreciate your intro for this one. Bourne Supremacy was a hard watch for me due to my epilepsy. I saw it in theaters. Nothing happened but it wasn’t a fun watch especially since I couldn’t keep track of what was going on on the screen. Since then I’ve grown to appreciate the film for what it is. Love your content and keep on keeping on!
I was in Berlin when they were filming the bridge escape scene. Had no idea what was going on as was at a little distance. Fast forward to it's cinema release and I realised what I had watched being filmed.
Jason Bourne would be very experienced at being able to tell when a person was dead. He would have been able to detect that Marie didn't have a pulse, as well as being able to check the wound from the bullet. He knew she was gone, or he would never have let go of her.
The reasons for Bourne trying to mend his ways with this particular murder are given in the movie. Firstly: Newski was supposed to be alone, his wife was the collateral damage in murder that (secondly) was done of the books to cover up Conklin taking bribe. There is also implied similarity with Jason's own situation. Marie is Collateral damage in his situation. after first movie they thought they escaped Tredstone and it' s successor (watch Legacy for deeper dive in that). And actually they did. the whole situation got stirred up by Russian defector trying to contact US agencies about dirty operatives in their system. Julia styles gives the best performance in Bourne franchise in this movie IMO. Yes, Nikki has more significant role in next two Damon's Bourne movies but the Metro scenes in this movie are the best scenes from her while her reaction to Bourne asking to meet her is the best insight in Nikki as character. While she is an CIA operative she does administrative work so when she has go for field work she is scared. it tells more about her character then what happens in next movie.
After the crash into the river in Goa, yes David Webb would have taken Marie to the river bank to try to save her. But in the heat of combat Jason Bourne took over and did the cold hard math to ensure his survival. This was a theme in the Ludlum novels
The shaky Cam as you put it, was to show how fast paced the action was happening. A lot of the chase scenes were filmed on location, really don't have time for extended car chase scenes. As for the Mistake Jason made was switching seats that got Marie killed, That bit was to force his hand to bring him back into fold by nobody but by the story teller, with him staying under water was to convince the Assassin that he was dead. any type of movement could have been seen from onlookers. So no moving under the bridge. These movies were taken from Novels From Robert Ludlum and of course are subject change. But they did a pretty good job keeping to the story. Keeping in line with the Trilogy you will see his story come to a head and Nikki will play a huge part in it.
Doug Limon directed the first movie, Paul Greengrass took over after that. Limon directed some great early films such as Go, Swingers, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, Edge of Tomorrow (and its upcoming sequel). If you've not seen Go, you should check it out. It's way more a comedy than these other movies but it's got a great cast and it is brilliantly done...
"She stand right next to you" and "You look tired" are such based lines for spy movies! 😁Some rough camera work in there, but a damn cool movie, great reaction and great jokes Holden. 👌 Another amazing spy action movie that also features Marton Csokas but as lead evil character is: "xXx" aka. "Triple X" Vin Diesel in his best days in that one. And because we all love Jen's reaction to I am Legend, we 1000% need you two to watch "Megan Leavey". You will shed a tear and love dogs even more after that movie. It's about a female US marine K9 handler and her story in Iraq and at home. You REALLY need to watch that one, nearly no reactions to it yet but damn that is a crazy good dog movie!! ❤The content you deliver to us.
Dozens of people have already commented, but adding my comment for algorithm. Regarding my opinion of your critiques: 1) Marie was dead. The trained assassin in Jason Bourne knew that. Bringing her to the surface would have done nothing but expose him to the assassin and then we wouldn't have a movie. 2) Nicky Parsons was a field agent in charge of monitoring the mental health of the Treadstone operatives. She was used in scenes discussing the mental health of the operatives. Not sure what more scenes you wanted her to be in?
Part of the reason for the choppiness is scenes were deliberately left out of the first movie and put in the second movie shot years later and the same thing happens with 3 scenes is this movie were shot and left out to be in 3 which is shot years later. Also, they hired one director for the first one who didn’t have a clear vision of the movie and was way over budget and late finishing which is when the guy who filmed 2 and 3 was brought on board to finish the movie.
Karl Urban has quite the genre film resume. LOTR, Bourne, Star Trek, Dredd, Red, The Boys, MCU, Riddick movies, Doom, Priest, all the way back to Xena.
Repeating my message from the previous Bourne movie, but I really hope you guys watch Legacy. It's definitely better than the fourth Matt Damon's Bourne movie and to me Renner is much more believable agent.
I love this movie, but the shaky cam is definitely overused. The fight scenes aren't nearly as crisp as other movies. But don't worry because Bourne Ultimatum will solve everything. Love that movie and can't wait. This entire franchise still feels so underrated and if anyone is interested I completely 100% recommend the books.
I personally love The Bourne Supremacy book better then the movie. Much better plot. Oh, and in the book Marie doesnt die. Also, (no spoilers because they dont use this plot point in the movies) but Jason doesnt just suffer from amnesia, but also from Multiple Personality Disorder. There are atleast 4 complete and different personalities inside of Jason, and thats what the book goes into, is the internal fight within for control.
Neski was his kill after training but before being operational. Something that was off his record because Conclin was using Threadstone as political favor
If the handful of shaky cam criticisms (which were effective nonetheless) were the biggest directorial issues, that's quite a compliment. Marie's death makes sense, you both (Holden & Jen) assumed she might not make it the first film, so this shouldn't come as a super surprise, but we live in the moment I guess. An assassin of his caliber is no James Bond, his romances are as brief as allowed they can stay undercover.
On your own time, check out the end of the first movie and notice the project name that Brian Cox's character presented to a Senate subcommittee before watching the 3rd movie (if you haven't reacted to it yet).
You should go through the entire series, many people stop after the original three but you get good backstory and understanding of the world Bourne is in and more of his journey.
This is my favorite Bourne movie, kind of like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings, the second is best! (But 4 is way better than you’d think and goes into interesting depth into certain things…)
Yes, I expected Jason to do something similar under water that James did with Vesper Lynd & the elevator in Casino Royale, however as others have pointed out, Jason would know that a high velocity sniper round to the head is not something survivable so say your goodbye underwater and "get the heck outa Dodge" or India in this case. Totally agree with liking to see the whole action scene as it plays out instead of the broken down sequence shots. ❤ ❤❤ the Russian driving joke, that's a goood one😂👍✌
Another excel movie! You should definitely check out “The Bourne Legacy”. It stars Jermey Rennie and Rachael Weisz. It is in the same time as the Matt Damon films but follows a different plot. I think it is fantastic and it provides more details about the program. Jason Bourne, on the other hand, is a B movie. It’s okay but you could watch other movies. In the espionage stories, I could suggest “Atomic Blonde” with Charlize Theron and John Goodman. A very high-energy film from a graphic novel or “A Bridge of Spies”, a very historical film about the Cold War. Both are excellent.
"she'll be fine *clears throat knowing damn well she won't* love how these movies have mobys music to end the movie idk why but perfect songs for these movies
Love you guys watch every video you upload! If you've not seen it already Brooklyns Finest is a good film to react to 🙂 All the best from across the pond 🇬🇧😁
I don’t understand why everyone automatically expects Bourne (who had just lost his lover) to develop some kind of new relationship with one of the lead actresses (Nikki or Pamela). Also why do they feel Nikki was underutitlized? She was in a 3rd of the movie, and frankly, she had more screen time than Marie this time around.
Facts.
It always seemed like they had a prior relationship before he lost his memory.
@Joe-yz7qx Nikki: you really don't remember anything?
Jason: 👀
I think most films, especially spy films tend to have the main character find a new love interest every new film they have so it's almost expected now, like Bond when they have a new girl or two every movie
Yeah people expect Hollywood to do Hollywood things
For Jen. The reason Bourne was focusing on the two Russians he killed in Berlin is cause remember he was being framed for killing two people in Berlin. And that helped his memories in his first mission being in Berlin. Which was off the books. Cause Nikki didn't even know about Berlin. She told Bourne that "your first assignment was Geneva". Then Bourne went off on her and put the gun to her head. I think a second watch might help connect the story for you.
Jen ... she did get shot in the head with a sniper there's no way u need to see her get pulled out the water to confirm she's dead 🫡
agreed Bourne is a highly trained assassin im sure he can tell in a second if someone is dead
Yep. He knew she was gone already. Anything else would have been silly and alerted the killer Bourne was alive.
well Tump did get shot in the head by a sniper too
thats what they meant
@@mrwatermelo50 Grazing an ear and getting shot through the head are two different things my man. And the disturbed little man that shot him was no sniper either.
He put his hand on the back of her head. He probably felt the hole in the back of her head.
The thing i really really like about this franchise is that Jason doesnt have high end gadgets at his disposal. He literally has nothing and needs to figure it out on the fly. Grabbing an Emergency Escape board off a wall to see some blueprints to know where he's going. Grabbing a radio from the guy he knocked out to be able to tell where everybody is coming from. Grabbing a book or a pen and use it as a weapon for CQB etc.
Remember at the beginning in that Jason Bourne and Marie switched seats at the beginning of the car chase, leading the sniper to believe he shot the driver seat's occupant, and thus killing his objective.
On top of that, any special forces training will have had Bourne trained to endure longer underwater times, buying him the necessary time to escape view from his enemy's point of view from the bridge. Very well thought out directing/writing/screenplay.
So the trope of the bad guy not waiting to confirm the body here wasn't a trope at all and well within reason, especially since we aren't given a definitive amount of time passed from the sniper shot to the jeep recovery.
He apologizes because he only went through with that mission because he wanted to prove himself to Chonclin and the agency. But not only did he go against his conscience, he did an unsanctioned hit against someone for the personal/political benefit of his supervisors... the guy wasnt s national security threat. Jason never had to take out innocent people and doesnt want to, but he burried that part to be accepted into the agency. But it keeps haunting him which is why he still remembers and dreams about it. It also sheds light on why he didn't go through with taking out Wambozi in the first movie. He'd been haunted by his past action, and was about to repeat it, but couldnt, thus he got pewpewed in the back.
jason would have no way of knowing if it was unsanctioned, he only followed orders, as he was trained. Jason would not have been told if his targets were security threats or innocent only that they were his targets, but in the neski case it went wrong when he killed the wife who was not a target, that was why he felt remorse for his actions. When he went to wambozi he saw his son and could not kill a child so he failed to kill wambozi and was shot escaping, then hit his head when he fell into the water causing his amnesia.
@rmora1 at the time he didnt, but he figured it out when nicky told him he never worked Berlin
@@maniac50ae14 yep! true
@rmora1 and in Ultimatum, we see that when hes asked in the interrogation room to eleminate the hooded man, his question is "what did he do". The answer he gets back is something pretty much just alluding to the guy being a bad actor, so he does it. But that brings us to one of themes in the series, and its that the agents in the program have given up their humanity to be a part it. They act as machines and its hurting them, giving them the migraines. And i already made it clear that hes mainly remorseful for the wife, but the icing on the cake was finding out it wasnt for national security reasons, but his supervisors personal reason.
The end of Ultimatum, he says to the other assassin two things to nail it all home. He asks, "do you know why youre suppose to kkell me?", then he says, "look at what they make give up". Thats not just a call back to first movie, it encapsulates all that we have been discovering about Jason Bourne and the Treadstone/Blackbriar programs
The reason he went to the girl to apologize was because that was his 1st mission and the only one he can remember. As for thst style of camera work when fighting it made them look like they were really fast fighters.
These movies were so integral in my childhood that when I was in college and visited Europe with my parents, whenever I heard police sirens we would joke that “Jason was back at it again”
weird childhood
@@Dave-hb7lx You’re weird for finding this weird. I relate to the comment as well as much as many others
When I traveled to Berlin I took photos of all the Bourne Supremacy filming locations 😂
@ oh that sounds like a lot of fun, we’ve done that with The Fugitive since part of it was filmed in Western NC where we would spend many of our vacations (though I doubt we will in the near future since the hurricane)
The reason for the Neski girl was because it was a complete off the books BS mission, and it was related to why he didn't kill Wambosi in the first movie!
Marie was shot in the front of the head with a high caliber rifle. Her death would have been obvious to Jason, from front and back, even if the hit was only glancing.
Agreed, I think this is part of the movie that suffers from the PG-13 rating. In general, I trust the trained assassin to be able to KNOW when someone is dead and not recoverable, and have the ability to shut off those deep emotions enough to let her go and escape and deal with the pain later.
I also agree. Just a correction, they were driving away from the shooter so she was shot in the back of the head but that's semantics, the statement still is true otherwise imo.
@@graciefolden2359 Well, that being said, it would have been PAINFULLY obvious she was dead due to the exit wound. Much worse than the entry wound.
@@neilaslayer yes that is the part that would make people believe Marie was shot in the front, if she was shot in the back of the head like the movie alluded there should have been a giant portion of her face missing from the exit wound but that would have a major backlash from viewers already upset with them killing her off in the first place.
as my wife would say. it’s a movie not every detail will be correct get over it.
the guy who you said, where do I know him from... he played Lord Celeborn, Galadriels husband in Lord of the Rings
And from the Equalizer with Denzel
He also played Guy de Lusignan in Kingdom of Heaven with Orlando Bloom
She took a bullet to head.... he's an assassin, that's why he knew she was gone and didn't try to save her
Jen: "They can't just do the same thing over again..."
The Jason Bourne Sequels: "Hold my beer".
Exactly!
Fun fact: The scene in the house where where Jason unplugs the gas and uses magazine in toaster to blow up the house was tested by Mythbusters and they disproved it.
Long felt this, but especially after reading comments here, Marie getting killed switches Jason from defensively running, hiding/protecting Marie to offense of going after Treadstone and Kiril(Marie's killer). I know in the books it's different, but the film seems to be using that narrative throughput. As far as the Nevski girl, he says to her 'When people are taken from you, you wanna know why', so I think losing Marie while having the Berlin murders flashing in his brain made him empathize with her loss and he wanted to atone. Similar to how we see him developing with not killing the old guy as opposed to recording him and saying 'She wouldn't want me too'. Her death, and just her having been his life makes him evolve.
💯, great thoughts. 🙌👍✌
Of all his kills, her farther was his first mission target and him killing her mother was just collateral damage, as part of the cover up to hide that he was there. He's working thrugh his demons of guilt and thats his oldest demon. He would rather have the daughter hate him for the truth, than hate her perants for the lie.
I like the 3rd one best.
"The targets always came from us, who's giving them to him now?" "Scary version? He is." God, that line goes so hard...
Fun fact the Bourne movie trilogy was written by Tony Gilroy, showrunner and lead writer for Andor. He also both wrote and directed Bourne Leagcy
No wonder it's so great 🤷♂and it looks like he learned that shaky cam isn't that cool. 😁
He apparently also wrote Rogue One... only great SW sequel. Wow guy is very accomplished.
@ yes he “co-wrote” Rogue One, which was the credit they gave him for bringing him in to direct the extensive re-shoots and re-writes that saved the movie
Holden's Dad energy was unmatched in this reaction 😂
hahahahaha
- Marie gets shot -
Jen: OH NOOOOO *scared face*
Holden: *trying not to laugh* Great shot though
“You talk about this stuff like you read it in a book.”
One of the best movies of the past 25 years.
3:20 Homeland is FANTASTIC! My husband and I watched it together every week!
He wasn’t giving her CPR under water, he was taking the air from her lungs to stay under longer.
I always thought he was kissing her good bye.
@@randallwhalen3239 He did kiss her goodbye after a half attempt at CPR because he already knew she was gone. I don't agree with the idea that he was taking air from her lungs to stay under longer. What little air he gets from her lungs is going to be filled with CO2 and thus not help. Unless the implication is for her to stay under? To which I ask...why?
I remember watching this film in theaters and we got stuck sitting in one of the first 5 rows, and i got sooo motion sick during the movie bc of the way they filmed it. 😭
So maybe you should stop watching movies and just look at photos. Movies don't cause motion sickness, anymore than washing your car causes rain. You have motion sickness the movie just lets you experience it while sitting comfortably in front of a TV!
3 notes: Regards the shaky cam - you fail to recall this was NOT made for video or TV sized screens, it was made for theatrical release, where screens are 40-60 feet wide. With large screen your zone of focus of the eyes is rather small, occupying only a small fraction of the screen. it is not nearly as jarring in that case, and it gives the sense you are actually there as your head would be bouncing around with Jason. Many movies suffer from improper perspective when watched on laptop sized or even larger TV screens. Two is Marie's death = if you watched on a large enough screen she was shot in the head - which is essentially like a switch regards death. Jason was already about 50 feet under water when he tried mouth to mouth and he understood she was gone. The scene was appropriate regards the no nonsense, pragmatic nature of Bourne. And three, Jason went to the girl, because he remembered killing her parents and he learned it was not sanctioned because Nikki did not know about it. Everyone else he killed were indeed bad people, but this mission was not - and he felt akin to the daughter's pain having lost Marie.... Also remember why he hesitated to kill Wombosi in the first film, because his children were on his lap - his conscience could not accept the collateral damage and this daughter was the same kind of thing - so the story works if you watch/listen carefully.
Ultimatum is my favourite of the trilogy, can’t wait for that one!
The shaky cam quick-cut intro in this video is just *chef's kiss*.
Ultimatum is amazing, looking forward to ya'lls reaction to it.
Wonder if they'll get confused by a couple scenes in it.
Nobody acts pants-shittingly terrified like Julia Stiles. She also does it in Dexter season 5, and The Last Dance.
I will say I am like Jen in that for some reason I don't really like Julia Stiles as an actress, but, yes, in that scene I am thoroughly convinced she is "pants-shittingly terrified"
the editor sneak dissing the action in the intro LOLLLL
I hadn't realized that was Karl Urban chasing Jason Bourne throughout the movie until i rewatched the movie months ago. 🤣
The shakey cam for the intro was a nice touch. 🤣
I was so taken off guard by the "Russian Around" joke...I laughed for an embarrassingly long time. 😂😅
Same. I rolled my eyes at the other dad jokes, but that "Russian Around" joke took me out. 😆
After Marie was shot, coming to the surface would have gotten Jason killed as well. The sniper was on the bridge by that time.
He can never forget this because they are the very first people he killed.
I think it was the Bourne films that really pushed the shaky cam look as a mainstream effect for future filmmakers, and I do love it... up until a certain point, which by then I'm falling out of my chair due to the vertigo induced by this movie.
My take on the whole didn’t do enough to check on Marie to make sure she was gone, while he doesn’t remember enough he was a trained killer and knows when someone is beyond saving, and his first instinct after knowing is to make sure he can get himself out of the situation
I love Holden's dad jokes. Julia Stiles, I haven't seen her in much, but I think she's an underrated actress. I hate that they killed off Marie the way they did. I write books and I have characters killed off, but I don’t kill them off like that lol. All the cut scenes are whatever. Hollywood does more fight choreography in one camera move nowadays, Cobra Kai does one shot fights a lot just like Daredevil did with the hallway scene.
Holden's comment, "After meeting me, I'm the only one that's gonna be alive." Is similar to the the title of the film NOVEMBER MAN. "We used to call you the November man, because after you came through town, nothing lived."
BTW, that is an excellent spy/action film starring Pierce Brosnan (3X James Bond) and Luke Bracey and Will Patton. Jen will love it.
I think using shakey cam for the Bourne films is a perfect marriage. The art of it is that each shot tends to just give you one detail & if you’re honed in, it can ironically be a very focused viewing experience. A still frame is not adequate enough to allow us to focus in on what Jason sees. I think it’s a smart choice & I don’t think it takes away from the impact of each scene.
YES finally Jason Bourne movie !!! Please watch all series.
Holy sh.. I'm on here writing to bust you for the "spoiler alert" you hinted at with the shaky cam intro and then the comment of the day comes up and I stop typing to watch and low & behold, it's me 😅. Back to the spoiler ⚠️, I'm guessing you are definitely going to comment, during & after, on the unfortunate filming style of the era. Thank you, I'm honored to be "TCOTD" 🙏❤from🇨🇦
"Where do I know that guy from?"
The other assassin, was Celeborn in Lord of the Rings, and Guy de Lusignan in Kingdom of Heaven.
Don't forget the Vin Diesel classic xXx.😅 Gotta love some extra cheese every once in a while.
Yep, Martin Csokas who like Billy Butcher (Karl Urban) and Homelander (Anthony Starr) is also a New Zealander.
@@TheQuadFather45 xXx Indeed! We need reactions to it badly. 😢
@Dene181 "Would you like some ice?" "You could chip some off your heart, if you could find it."😆😆 Love me some xXx, also the Riddick movies.
The motion blur supremacy. I liked this one better than the first just because Matt Damon looks more engaged in the character.
The Bourne movies are no masterpieces, but they are just fun. They are part of my "comfort list" of movies. My ultimate comfort movies is a tie between The Mummy and Fellowship of the Ring (keep in mind that being in the comfort list does not exclude a movie from being a masterpiece. Cough cough, Fellowship).
I remember seeing this movie, napoleon dynamite and the manchurian candidate all in the same day. My friend was a manager at the theatre so I got to walk around freely with no tickets that day.
Let me just say I appreciate your intro for this one. Bourne Supremacy was a hard watch for me due to my epilepsy. I saw it in theaters. Nothing happened but it wasn’t a fun watch especially since I couldn’t keep track of what was going on on the screen. Since then I’ve grown to appreciate the film for what it is. Love your content and keep on keeping on!
Waiting to see if Jen utters one of her Jen-isms, “Juicy” or “I feel targeted” Who knows maybe we get both. 🤷🏻♂️
I was in Berlin when they were filming the bridge escape scene. Had no idea what was going on as was at a little distance. Fast forward to it's cinema release and I realised what I had watched being filmed.
Jen-- the best dad joke sarcastic look ever
Jason Bourne would be very experienced at being able to tell when a person was dead. He would have been able to detect that Marie didn't have a pulse, as well as being able to check the wound from the bullet. He knew she was gone, or he would never have let go of her.
The reasons for Bourne trying to mend his ways with this particular murder are given in the movie. Firstly: Newski was supposed to be alone, his wife was the collateral damage in murder that (secondly) was done of the books to cover up Conklin taking bribe.
There is also implied similarity with Jason's own situation. Marie is Collateral damage in his situation. after first movie they thought they escaped Tredstone and it' s successor (watch Legacy for deeper dive in that). And actually they did. the whole situation got stirred up by Russian defector trying to contact US agencies about dirty operatives in their system.
Julia styles gives the best performance in Bourne franchise in this movie IMO. Yes, Nikki has more significant role in next two Damon's Bourne movies but the Metro scenes in this movie are the best scenes from her while her reaction to Bourne asking to meet her is the best insight in Nikki as character. While she is an CIA operative she does administrative work so when she has go for field work she is scared. it tells more about her character then what happens in next movie.
Can’t wait for Ultimatum, my favorite of the franchise! I recommend another watch of Supremacy to answer/validate your guys’ questions as well.
Supremacy is my favorite of the trilogy. A perfect film just like The Empire Strikes Back and Aliens.
After the crash into the river in Goa, yes David Webb would have taken Marie to the river bank to try to save her. But in the heat of combat Jason Bourne took over and did the cold hard math to ensure his survival. This was a theme in the Ludlum novels
The shaky Cam as you put it, was to show how fast paced the action was happening. A lot of the chase scenes were filmed on location, really don't have time for extended car chase scenes. As for the Mistake Jason made was switching seats that got Marie killed, That bit was to force his hand to bring him back into fold by nobody but by the story teller, with him staying under water was to convince the Assassin that he was dead. any type of movement could have been seen from onlookers. So no moving under the bridge. These movies were taken from Novels From Robert Ludlum and of course are subject change. But they did a pretty good job keeping to the story. Keeping in line with the Trilogy you will see his story come to a head and Nikki will play a huge part in it.
Doug Limon directed the first movie, Paul Greengrass took over after that. Limon directed some great early films such as Go, Swingers, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, Edge of Tomorrow (and its upcoming sequel). If you've not seen Go, you should check it out. It's way more a comedy than these other movies but it's got a great cast and it is brilliantly done...
Love this series & your reactions. Keep em comin'! 👍
"She stand right next to you" and "You look tired" are such based lines for spy movies! 😁Some rough camera work in there, but a damn cool movie, great reaction and great jokes Holden. 👌
Another amazing spy action movie that also features Marton Csokas but as lead evil character is: "xXx" aka. "Triple X" Vin Diesel in his best days in that one.
And because we all love Jen's reaction to I am Legend, we 1000% need you two to watch "Megan Leavey". You will shed a tear and love dogs even more after that movie. It's about a female US marine K9 handler and her story in Iraq and at home. You REALLY need to watch that one, nearly no reactions to it yet but damn that is a crazy good dog movie!!
❤The content you deliver to us.
Stiles is a big part of the fifth movie, Jason Bourne
Dozens of people have already commented, but adding my comment for algorithm. Regarding my opinion of your critiques:
1) Marie was dead. The trained assassin in Jason Bourne knew that. Bringing her to the surface would have done nothing but expose him to the assassin and then we wouldn't have a movie.
2) Nicky Parsons was a field agent in charge of monitoring the mental health of the Treadstone operatives. She was used in scenes discussing the mental health of the operatives. Not sure what more scenes you wanted her to be in?
I think this is the most I've ever seen Jen's eyes roll.
Part of the reason for the choppiness is scenes were deliberately left out of the first movie and put in the second movie shot years later and the same thing happens with 3 scenes is this movie were shot and left out to be in 3 which is shot years later.
Also, they hired one director for the first one who didn’t have a clear vision of the movie and was way over budget and late finishing which is when the guy who filmed 2 and 3 was brought on board to finish the movie.
Was not expecting this so quick
Marie had main lead in Run, Lola, Run. Dated, European, but you might like it
My son's Krav Maga Instructor was the same instructor for Matt Damen in the Jason Bourne movies.
Ultimatum is by far the best of the series. Its like a how-to for making spy thrillers
Man if you guys love Espionage You should watch the Jack Ryan films. Especially The Hunt for Red October, Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger.
Karl Urban has quite the genre film resume. LOTR, Bourne, Star Trek, Dredd, Red, The Boys, MCU, Riddick movies, Doom, Priest, all the way back to Xena.
Repeating my message from the previous Bourne movie, but I really hope you guys watch Legacy. It's definitely better than the fourth Matt Damon's Bourne movie and to me Renner is much more believable agent.
I love this movie, but the shaky cam is definitely overused. The fight scenes aren't nearly as crisp as other movies. But don't worry because Bourne Ultimatum will solve everything. Love that movie and can't wait. This entire franchise still feels so underrated and if anyone is interested I completely 100% recommend the books.
This was my favourite Bourne movie of the lot.
Nahhhh that almost said fish joke bro 😂 and here I thought about... "there's plenty of fish in the sea" joke bro 😂😂😂 we diabolical asf Harden 🤣🤣💀
I personally love The Bourne Supremacy book better then the movie. Much better plot. Oh, and in the book Marie doesnt die.
Also, (no spoilers because they dont use this plot point in the movies) but Jason doesnt just suffer from amnesia, but also from Multiple Personality Disorder. There are atleast 4 complete and different personalities inside of Jason, and thats what the book goes into, is the internal fight within for control.
Neski was his kill after training but before being operational. Something that was off his record because Conclin was using Threadstone as political favor
If the handful of shaky cam criticisms (which were effective nonetheless) were the biggest directorial issues, that's quite a compliment. Marie's death makes sense, you both (Holden & Jen) assumed she might not make it the first film, so this shouldn't come as a super surprise, but we live in the moment I guess. An assassin of his caliber is no James Bond, his romances are as brief as allowed they can stay undercover.
On your own time, check out the end of the first movie and notice the project name that Brian Cox's character presented to a Senate subcommittee before watching the 3rd movie (if you haven't reacted to it yet).
Holden doubling down on the bad jokes on this one! lol
You should go through the entire series, many people stop after the original three but you get good backstory and understanding of the world Bourne is in and more of his journey.
This is my favorite Bourne movie, kind of like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings, the second is best! (But 4 is way better than you’d think and goes into interesting depth into certain things…)
18:02... yeah thats Michelle Monaghan. I notice her too, Holden, and you know why. ;)
Yes, I expected Jason to do something similar under water that James did with Vesper Lynd & the elevator in Casino Royale, however as others have pointed out, Jason would know that a high velocity sniper round to the head is not something survivable so say your goodbye underwater and "get the heck outa Dodge" or India in this case.
Totally agree with liking to see the whole action scene as it plays out instead of the broken down sequence shots. ❤ ❤❤ the Russian driving joke, that's a goood one😂👍✌
I saw this in theaters, and so many people had to leave because they were getting sick from the shaky cam
This is one of my favourite franchises. very exciting watch!! cant wait for the other ones :)
John Wick and the steady long shot fight gun-fu action was in direct response to the over use of shaky cam action scenes.
Love that you are fans of Marie - you should definitely react to Run Lola Run!
Another excel movie! You should definitely check out “The Bourne Legacy”. It stars Jermey Rennie and Rachael Weisz. It is in the same time as the Matt Damon films but follows a different plot. I think it is fantastic and it provides more details about the program. Jason Bourne, on the other hand, is a B movie. It’s okay but you could watch other movies. In the espionage stories, I could suggest “Atomic Blonde” with Charlize Theron and John Goodman. A very high-energy film from a graphic novel or “A Bridge of Spies”, a very historical film about the Cold War. Both are excellent.
You are right about a different Director , Paul Greengrass did Supremacy, Ultimatum and the newest Jason Bourne movie
You'll love the 3rd movie, The Bourne Ultimatum. It just might have some of what you wished for. 😉
I'm just here for Holden's jokes!
That filming and editing style was made popular with the tv-show 24
I loved Franke Potente ("Marie") in the movie 'Run, Lola, Run."
I'm curious whether you watched the Daniel Craig 007 movies. The change up from the previous versions is said to be influenced by the Bourne movies.
Re-React to Dexter season 5 only, just for Julia Styles Jen
"she'll be fine *clears throat knowing damn well she won't* love how these movies have mobys music to end the movie idk why but perfect songs for these movies
Love you guys watch every video you upload! If you've not seen it already Brooklyns Finest is a good film to react to 🙂 All the best from across the pond 🇬🇧😁
403 the pouting lips LOL. You reminded me of Hero with that face. Hope little Hero is prospering ❤
Marton Csokas was Celeborn (Galadriel's husband) in LotR as was "Butcher" Eomer..
Also the antagonist in xXx!
soundtrack is so timeless
'Better than making peace with a lie.' Hear Hear. Read my mind.