If it's really you, good job with the runs. Though next time, I'd recommend always backing up videos and not trusting a site like Twin Galaxies to keep records/proof of your achievements. Not having footage of that legendary 7 year standing run is annoying, to say the least! And was completely preventable! But oh well, the past is the past. Can't do anything about it now except be more prudent in the future, which you've probably already been doing for years at this point (keeping personal back-ups) ;)
I feel the same way Chris. These progression videos are great, and the fact that they are popular is even better. Has it really been almost 14 years since I did my run? Yikes.
If they just sold the games as “fan service” material, those games would fly off the shelves and cause the servers to crash due to, too many downloads. If they made Samus like an anime girl, it would sell, but that just isn’t how Nintendo is.
This is one of the only claims to fame I have in the speedrunning community. Known as CtrlAltDestroy on TASvideos, I discovered the Kraid wrong-way door route as a TAS route, and the fast bridge skip trick with jumping up through the floor. Brings me a silent bit of pride to see that I've helped these legends even in some small way.
Glad you guys found the footage of my run considering I was 2 weeks late to the party... Been out of the scene for awhile and it amazes me that the door glitching is consistently possible in RT. Great job making the vid guys. Pretty cool to see the progression of one of my favorite games!
This is gonna sound weird, but I love falling asleep to your videos. Your voice is soft but low, the background music is quiet and hypnotic, and the content interests me, but is perfectly dull enough to bring me to sleep. I love it.
@@williamhendrickson3748 same I can't count how many times I've played the same videos just for background while I fall asleep. It's good content when you don't even need to see it to be entertained hah
YES EVERY SINGLE PART OF THIS IS FACTS. Especially the interesting but not too hype so that you dont fall asleep part. Im glad others are on the same page
I like how you don't always give away the end of what happens when showing potential world records. When you say "And on that day, (s)he was on world record pace..." and then cut to the footage near the end of said run... those of us that have no idea what actually happened *also* don't know the answer based on how you set up the attempt, so it remains extremely tense and exciting. Just a small detail that I really appreciate with your videos.
honestly yeah, i can never tell if they'll get the record or not and it always keeps me on my toes. it's one of the many great things about your videos.
Feel free to contact me if you need to get better details on the history of certain speedruns, strategies and world records. 1:25 Red Scarlet would have had the first published record, in which bridge skip wasn't even used. 12:44 Up+A or death was always allowed but would be it's own category and runs using these were eventually made later 13:34 It was actually "no mysterious teleporting", a rule made by Radix who first was in charge of and for the most part founded SDA, eventually around ~2005-2006 some of Radix's original rules were under such heavy criticism from members of SDA that they were revised and this rule along with "no going out of bounds" were ommited. 14:09 Actually the problem with this route previously was preforming the bridge skip without bombs. A non-frame-perfect-plus technique hadn't been developed until ~2006-2008, when someone posted on the forums that they were looking through the Metroid tricks page and saw the morph jump through 1 block ceilings trick and showed how it could be used to make the bridge skip better, somehow everyone including myself previously had missed that application for many years. (I had even developed a convoluted, difficult, Double Rio lure method to do it during this period of years.) ...CAK could have easily used this strat in 2013 for his 15:43 run; however, he didn't research it and think to use it, or decided not to use this better but slightly harder bridge skip that had been used in TASes for 5+ years at the time. 16:34 CAK first used that 1 jump e tank strat in real time runs which I believe was first used in 100% TASes around 2005 16:34 Controllerhead was the first to figure out how to reproduce the "god jump" technique, which I first posted on the forums many years earlier but no one including myself could reproduce it. It can be used to get out of the icebeam column without waiting on the reappearing block, and he started using in it WR runs first as well which was a REALLY big deal. 21:30 You have to get the icebeam for both routes so you only save the time to go down to the first missile pack plus going back from pallet swap bridge to Kraid's short Brinstar column and back again. 22:35 these door/screen wraps were NEVER thought to be humanely impossible, they were always very easy. I first found the "sweet spot" glitch ~2006 and the Zeb hit through a red door and I was able to couple them with the wrong way door glitch CntrlAltDelete found, to first develop Kraid first as a faster strat. I was doing this in real time first before any TAS was and shared this on TASvideos forums. This was how the strat was first developed and TASes first started using it. ...Anyone could do it, it was never that hard or precise on inputs. Doing the wraps fast, but most especially doing the Kraid fight in real time with no auto fire fast enough, and getting back to the elevator without ice beam, requiring a Dboost and god jump, and beating the Zebetites and MB with 75 missiles, 2 to spare, instead of 80, 7 to spare, and having 199 max Health instead of 299 and dealing with all the extra difficulty in a way that makes for a net time save were the real human challenges. ...I had also worked out how to do this effectively in a time efficient manner for a real time speedrun and was working on doing this on my twitch channel and told AceEbb about it in early 2017. Soon later Tycon made instructional video breakdowns for the easy door wraps that had been for many years, to merely spoon feed the technicals for the door wrapping used before Kraid to try and get more people, like McFly, to try using the strat for real time runs. ...McFly then took this help and improved the Kraid fight with his excellent select spam. 23:21 I first found this solution of Dboost plus god jump many months earlier and Tycon also later found it and shared it with Mcfly. There's plenty of other techniques, strategies and details, like the REALLY important time saving MotherBrain fight which CAK first did exceptionally well and McFly slightly improved it even more, and lots of other places time could be won and lost, risk vs reward, ect.
I expected to see Red Scarlet’s name when I started watching, but after thinking back and checking some facts, I don’t think she actually ever held the WR for any%. Blake is correct that Red had the first published console video in Jan 2004, but Tom Votava’s 36 minute TG time from 2003 was faster. I know that his video wasn’t published, but does anyone doubt him? Red eventually beat Tom’s time, but by then, so had I.
Published records can be, and are worth publishing again with known historical time stamps; hidden feats, claims, or records 1 or 2 people witness aren't worth much to all but 1 or 2 people and tend to stay that way.
I agree about published records, but I feel like the historical context of any run is important to consider. The historical context of Tom's 2003 Metroid run is completely different from, say, Richard Ureta's 2005 LoZ run. There was nowhere to publish or submit a run in 2003 except TG. If you wanted to publish a video online, you had to capture, edit, process, and host the video yourself somehow to have maybe 50 interested people watch it. In 2005, all you had to do was send Nate a tape, and within weeks, your speed run was available online at SDA with a large audience ready to devour it and shower you with accolades.
You're right, Tom's run in 2003 should be noted; however it wasn't published and could have been, SDA was established prior to this. It's just a shame.
*****UPDATE***** As of the posting of this comment, the (NES) Metroid WR is held by a newcomer (not in the video) CHX42 (USA). With a time of 9m 12s 150ms. CHX42 is one of three runners with a time that is sub 10m, as of this comment. CHX42's WR was set a year ago, from this comment.
I'm always astounded by how low key most of the world record reactions are, so many speedrunners will beat a previous time by like 20 seconds and just go "Ah, good."
Dude, the production quality keeps going up and up with every video. I simply love it! It's visible progression that we can all see. I might not be inspired to become a speed runner, but these videos do inspire me to double my efforts in my own videos.
Metroid McFly: "Hey McFly! I bet you can't beat my world record!" Metroid McFly: "No thanks, man." Metroid McFly: "What's the matter, chicken?" Metroid McFly: "Nobody calls me chicken." *Beats his own world record ten thousand times*
Crushes his own record ten thousand times is more like it. Dear God, 30 seconds, 26 seconds, 34 seconds, 16 seconds ad infinitum. Those are seriously impressive gains on a sub-15 minute WR. That's like a 3-5% gain every time.
Please never stop making these videos. Or if you wanna make up a new series of videos over time, go for it. You present thoughtful analysis. Fantastic overlay over video content and your audio commentary. People should study your channel to learn how it's done. :)
I recently watched this video and tried to look up Metroid Mcfly. Nothing exists of his speedruns today. It's fine that he decided to quit speedrunning if it was getting to him, but I find it sad that the vods of the man who took whole minutes off this speedrun is now no longer found. Hopefully, he comes back.
I'd love to see a WR Progression on Grand Theft Auto San Andreas. It's such an odd choice to speedrun considering it's length, I'm curious to think how long the first speedruns for that game could've taken lol
So, a new runner, CHX42, came along and completely took over Metroid. It looks like they pretty much just specialize in Metroid. They hold 1st in 4/5 categories.
@@ryanbarofsky4948 it would be 4 out of 6 from the main page, but also, he took the old twin galaxy route too. If you go to the metroid category extensions it is labeled as deathless NMG. That stood for 6 years
Hey Summoning Salt. I've said this before in other videos you've made, but I just want to say again that I think you make some of the best content on UA-cam. Your careful composition of each video, laying out specific dates, names, and achievements are outstanding. You really turn it into a more proper "history lesson" as to the evolution of each specific speed run. It always seems as though achievement A is unbeatable, and then you lead into achievement B that just continues to amaze. You also do a good job of balancing your speaking voice, music, sound effects, and actual footage of the speedrun and what the speedrunner is saying as it was live when recorded. Thanks again for doing a great job. These videos are just a pleasure to watch.
This is production-worthy content that belongs on TV/movies; I can't say how excited I am to watch these... If anything else comes out of this great work is a new generation of runners
I’m going to be honest I couldn’t care less about speed running but the way you show passion through your videos and the editing quality makes me binge watch these and I feel like I’m starting to like speed runs
MetroidMcfly might have had one of the most insane shows of speedrun leaderboard dominance ever, in any of these videos I’ve watched. lowering the record by 30 seconds at a time for a month or so is outrageous
She probably got permanently scarred by the uncomfortable sexual abuse imagery in Alien, and that led her to become religious. Then a thing comes along that is basically lo-fi Alien, and it triggers her.
charlesdumarr A-are you serious?! If anything, the game is about KILLING demons and getting rid of darkness. That makes about as much sense as saying the Bible is satanic because it talks about sin.
"Most of you probably hate glitches and want to see them banned from speedruns" Actually my fascination with glitches and seeing games being utterly broken is what got me into speed runs in the first place.
+Soapy Foten I honestly find glitchless speedruns, nine times out of ten, tend to be really boring. Some glitches are incredibly hard to pull off, so it is amazing to see runners pulling them off, especially on World Record pace!
As long as it has its own category it's fine. There should always be a category for people who just want to play the game fast without having to mess with glitches.
Quite a few other people have done WR progressions and are also speedrunning focused with long videos that aren't boring, but I agree, SS just has a special something.
This was just the relaxing and interesting thing I needed this morning after another night of insomnia, stress dreams, and nightmares; typical. Thank you, Summoning Salt.
I don't know what the stigma agasinst glitches is. They're often hard to execute, so what makes it easier? It's just faster. PS. If you can give a reason why people hate glitches, tell me.
Michael Hird the argument against glitches has everything to do with developers intent. Glitches are seen as errors in code not intended mechanics so how could you be good at the game if you aren’t playing the game when you aren’t “playing” the game. This is understandable to some respects where a glitch may rely on luck making the entirety of the speed run depended on a 1/10000 chance as we saw in Bioshock Infinite where there was a 1/256(?) item that would allow for a much faster speed run leaving the run dependent on a players luck more than their skill. I personally think that the exploitation of the game is the gamers duty break the game that the developers painstakingly made. Today to make a better game and in the past to show the happy accidents that are the game.
Personally I find glitchless runs more interesting to watch. I don't have anything against runs with glitches, but watching a character warp around the map or clip through geometry to skip huge sections is less entertaining to me.
I disagree. Like in the Sonic video for example a lot of the glitches were executed at a great risk. That adds in a whole new dimension to speed runs, not to mention the glitches are usually the hardest parts to perform so it takes even more skill.
The song "Danger Zone" was sung by Kenny Loggins for the movie Top Gun. Song video: ua-cam.com/video/siwpn14IE7E/v-deo.html Song audio: ua-cam.com/video/yK0P1Bk8Cx4/v-deo.html
I just love these videos^^ I don't Speedrun myself, I love taking my time in games. But watching speedruns is awesome. These little history vids are so interesting. Thank ya so much🐏
Your storytelling ability is unbelievable! I'm not interested in speedruning or any of the games you've upload a video from, but I find myself coming back to watch your videos time and time again!
This video is so awesome, I actually uploaded the Speed Demo Archives in 2005 when i was 14 i had a run which placed top 80's to watch this game come as far as it has is unreal i swear so unreal.
Doom is definitely the most classic 1st person shooter--very good suggestion. Quake would be my next 1st person shooter video suggestion. I think that Ocarina of Time is the most requested video, though.
Doom isn't really a speedrun in the same way that something like Metroid is, it has 36 levels, all of which are very competitive, any level could be made into a video. Running the full game isn't actually too popular.
I love these. And thanks for taking the time to go through these. They obviously take a lot of time and attention to detail. Shout out to the credits as well for helping make these videos great!
I have never played metroid before but i watched all 27 minutes of this video and didn’t get bored at all. You deserve way more subscribers and your videos are on another level.
The beach theme from Plok was such an awesome surprise, I love that track. And Metroid is the best NES game in my opinion. Great video, thanks for the great production value and effort. I love exploring with the door jump and feel like there are still unknown discoveries out there.
Wait, hold up! Twin Galaxies has been *that shady* for *that long* and we're only just now getting wise to this sort of stuff? I mean, really, only the referees needed to see the footage, then it just vanished into nothingness? That's like if the Olympics were never televised and completely barred to live spectators, and the public only ever got a news report from the judges after the event is all said and done. I've seen picky people go on about how speed running needs all these rules and standards and so on, yet these same people have apparently let all sorts of stuff slide for years. It makes me feel like a lot of these "purists" are less concerned with integrity and more concerned with keeping the hobby's accessibility to a minimum so they can enjoy long rides on high horses. I'm no longer surprised that the hobby (including high score records) was built on fraud. I'm starting to understand why so many serious runners have more salt than a Centurion's meat locker. Thank you, Summoning, for providing these great and genuinely entertaining documentaries entirely divorced from all the unsavory elements of the communities at large. I used to be a huge spectator and follower of this stuff, but now I only really trust or enjoy content like yours.
It was a different time, videos were a lot less accessible and Twin Galaxies was the "best" you had in most cases. I won't claim to have a lot of knowledge about the time, but I can imagine that Twin Galaxies had a lot of influence back then, so if you had some kind of world record then people expected you to be backed up by TG. You have to be aware that we have the luxuries of more advanced technology and hindsight, Twin Galaxies probably didn't look nearly as shady to the public as it does today. Also, I think it's only blowing up now since they gradually got less and less relevant, for example the ones expected to back up your claim switched to Speedrun Archives, I'm guessing a lot of people just forgot Twin Galaxies was still around.
Dude.. I don't even play video games and I've never once played metroid.. But I believe this is my 3rd watch of this video alone. Your content has become one of my go-to choices for chill casual viewing. The production value is off the charts and you do a great job of giving enough history and details about the games so that even people unfamiliar with them can still go along for the ride and enjoy the progressions. Keep up the great work, brother.
14:04 Why didn't they just make a category for glitch-less speed runs? BOOM problem solved. Honestly if there was SUCH a market for it then why didn't people just make their own site advertising that they allow glitch less speed runs and glitched speed runs in two different categorizes?
A lot of people seem to have thought about glitches as cheats, as in the same boat as turning on god mode. Allowing glitched speedruns probably made the website less legitimate in some people's eyes, I think it was a much bigger and controversial subject back then, and it doesn't look like a big deal now since it has already died down.
@@skyblade7438 IMHO, if you have the original game medium in the original game machine with an official controller, whatever happens on the screen is part of the game. For me it's absolutely 100x crazier that non-original-machinery runs are allowed but glitches are frowned upon. If you have the game in its original form the way it was sold to the public, again whatever happens on the screen is OFFICIALLY part of that game. This is the only rule there should have been on the subject.
Somehow Summoning Salt's videos feel more enjoyable than the actual speedruns. As for the entertainment value you couldn't have done a better job. Excellent.
Could you please explain how timers work in speedruns? I’ve seen players hit the timer button manually, how do they know the points of starting and finishing? Milliseconds when they push the button can be quite crucial for the game record.
The actual timer you see is mostly for the benefit of the runners, although many runners use auto-split programs that actually do give millisecond-accurate times. The final time is determined by actually looking at the video, and for some games there's also behavior that depends on the precise frame number that can be used to pin it down even more precisely.
Splits let the runners and audience know what kind of pace they are on, but runs are manually timed by watching game capture footage after the run is complete, to time more precisely.
Internet random people "glitch runs are cheap to me" Professional runners "I'm gonna risk and do this barely humanly possible glitch to gain 2 frames over the wr"
I checked the Any% Deathless leaderboard today and now 7 players have a sub-15. Apparently MetroidMcFly privated his account or something because there's a gray "Anonymous" with no sign of "MetroidMcFly" anywhere. As for the current world record, it goes to CHX42 with 10m 52s as the only sub-11 player right now
I'm currently rewatching this again, (all of these in fact) they are just so informative. I really love speedruns and this series is fantastic to watch. I'm looking forward to what you come up with next. I'd love to see some of the Resident Evil series one day. Keep up the great work, these videos can't come soon enough lol
That no death rule is 100% stupid. If dying in game saves you time and the game includes a death mechanic, then that's fair game. Anyone who says differently is special pleading.
I can see why it's banned. Because let's say in metroid how summoning salt just explained. If you killed yourself after the kraid fight. You'll instantly get warped up. Which would be the easiest route to take and everyone would do. Killing yourself won't take any skill. Now trying to escape the lair takes skill, you'll need to be really good at climbing to the top to get a good time. That's why it makes sense to me in this game. But I'm sure not all games warp you to a certain place if you die. I'm sure other speed runs allow deaths.
@Brandon Sergent That's like saying it would be totally cool if there was a death glitch in the early game that immediately took you to the end, thus making the run insanely easy and erasing all competition of any kind. You're a moron.
run rules are not put there to determine what is fair and what isnt but rather to balance entertainment and skill, the death mechanic is banned because it makes the runs lame to play and boring to watch not because its "unfair"
Hey this is Chris Knight. I am honored by this video, and by the fact that people are still enjoying my speedruns. Thank you.
If it's really you, good job with the runs. Though next time, I'd recommend always backing up videos and not trusting a site like Twin Galaxies to keep records/proof of your achievements. Not having footage of that legendary 7 year standing run is annoying, to say the least! And was completely preventable! But oh well, the past is the past. Can't do anything about it now except be more prudent in the future, which you've probably already been doing for years at this point (keeping personal back-ups) ;)
Yo just wanted to say that I still watch your glitchless WR because of how insane it was. Thank you for running man
You are a legend, sir.
that 1543 shit on kids. legendary run
I feel the same way Chris. These progression videos are great, and the fact that they are popular is even better. Has it really been almost 14 years since I did my run? Yikes.
That was a great watch! Seeing my TAS in there was a cool surprise as well.
How long did it take you to program that whole thing?
Oh cool he was in the video
Lord Tom
I dare you to use Tom from Tom & jerry as your profile pic
Your work led to dramatic changes in time, you changed the whole scene.
@Ibrahim Najm sure
"Metroid, it's one of Nintendo's most iconic franchises."
Tell that to Nintendo.
Remember metroid prime 4 yeah me neither
@@dbgr9875 *fucking cries*
Metroid needs a generational reboot akin to Super Metroid or the original Metroid Prime.
but definitely nothing like other M
If they just sold the games as “fan service” material, those games would fly off the shelves and cause the servers to crash due to, too many downloads. If they made Samus like an anime girl, it would sell, but that just isn’t how Nintendo is.
This is one of the only claims to fame I have in the speedrunning community. Known as CtrlAltDestroy on TASvideos, I discovered the Kraid wrong-way door route as a TAS route, and the fast bridge skip trick with jumping up through the floor. Brings me a silent bit of pride to see that I've helped these legends even in some small way.
Well-deserved recognition. Excellent finds.
lies
ok
who? him?
maybe ask the original commenter for proof
16:41 I support "Craig" being the new name for the mini-Kraids you sometimes fight before/instead of giant Kraid.
You gotta take out Craig and Riley in order to fight Mama Brianna
Glad you guys found the footage of my run considering I was 2 weeks late to the party... Been out of the scene for awhile and it amazes me that the door glitching is consistently possible in RT. Great job making the vid guys. Pretty cool to see the progression of one of my favorite games!
Jprophet222 hey man it was really exciting watching you play it
The Count I don't this guy is the real deal
Are you thinking about grinding the record lower @Jprophet222?
why have all your vids been Golden Tee Great Shot!! for 6 years
Wow, golden shot... certainly looks like a guy who enjoys speedruns. Stop faking
I realize that hindsight is 20/20 but.. wow twingalaxies just sounds more and more incompetent over time, and even sometimes downright negligent
Todd Rogers
Fuck twin galaxys, Billy Mitchell forever!
Twingalaxies is what i like to call a slightly untrusted source.
Have you taken the human element into account?
@@de4th1snt3nough >Billy Mitchell forever
*o o f*
This is gonna sound weird, but I love falling asleep to your videos. Your voice is soft but low, the background music is quiet and hypnotic, and the content interests me, but is perfectly dull enough to bring me to sleep.
I love it.
Ra the Sun God i was afraid to comment the same thing but u did it for me lol
@@williamhendrickson3748 same I can't count how many times I've played the same videos just for background while I fall asleep. It's good content when you don't even need to see it to be entertained hah
YES EVERY SINGLE PART OF THIS IS FACTS. Especially the interesting but not too hype so that you dont fall asleep part. Im glad others are on the same page
I'm completely the same! Always listen to SS while falling asleep
I think I’ve finally found my people
I like how you don't always give away the end of what happens when showing potential world records.
When you say "And on that day, (s)he was on world record pace..." and then cut to the footage near the end of said run... those of us that have no idea what actually happened *also* don't know the answer based on how you set up the attempt, so it remains extremely tense and exciting.
Just a small detail that I really appreciate with your videos.
Same
I second this notion. This should never be changed.
honestly yeah, i can never tell if they'll get the record or not and it always keeps me on my toes. it's one of the many great things about your videos.
Very true. I would love to see a run where (s) is applicable.
Same. Also, your videos teach me so much about these games, I can go back and appreciate them anew now!
Feel free to contact me if you need to get better details on the history of certain speedruns, strategies and world records.
1:25 Red Scarlet would have had the first published record, in which bridge skip wasn't even used.
12:44 Up+A or death was always allowed but would be it's own category and runs using these were eventually made later
13:34 It was actually "no mysterious teleporting", a rule made by Radix who first was in charge of and for the most part founded SDA, eventually around ~2005-2006 some of Radix's original rules were under such heavy criticism from members of SDA that they were revised and this rule along with "no going out of bounds" were ommited.
14:09 Actually the problem with this route previously was preforming the bridge skip without bombs. A non-frame-perfect-plus technique hadn't been developed until ~2006-2008, when someone posted on the forums that they were looking through the Metroid tricks page and saw the morph jump through 1 block ceilings trick and showed how it could be used to make the bridge skip better, somehow everyone including myself previously had missed that application for many years. (I had even developed a convoluted, difficult, Double Rio lure method to do it during this period of years.)
...CAK could have easily used this strat in 2013 for his 15:43 run; however, he didn't research it and think to use it, or decided not to use this better but slightly harder bridge skip that had been used in TASes for 5+ years at the time.
16:34 CAK first used that 1 jump e tank strat in real time runs which I believe was first used in 100% TASes around 2005
16:34 Controllerhead was the first to figure out how to reproduce the "god jump" technique, which I first posted on the forums many years earlier but no one including myself could reproduce it. It can be used to get out of the icebeam column without waiting on the reappearing block, and he started using in it WR runs first as well which was a REALLY big deal.
21:30 You have to get the icebeam for both routes so you only save the time to go down to the first missile pack plus going back from pallet swap bridge to Kraid's short Brinstar column and back again.
22:35 these door/screen wraps were NEVER thought to be humanely impossible, they were always very easy. I first found the "sweet spot" glitch ~2006 and the Zeb hit through a red door and I was able to couple them with the wrong way door glitch CntrlAltDelete found, to first develop Kraid first as a faster strat. I was doing this in real time first before any TAS was and shared this on TASvideos forums. This was how the strat was first developed and TASes first started using it.
...Anyone could do it, it was never that hard or precise on inputs. Doing the wraps fast, but most especially doing the Kraid fight in real time with no auto fire fast enough, and getting back to the elevator without ice beam, requiring a Dboost and god jump, and beating the Zebetites and MB with 75 missiles, 2 to spare, instead of 80, 7 to spare, and having 199 max Health instead of 299 and dealing with all the extra difficulty in a way that makes for a net time save were the real human challenges.
...I had also worked out how to do this effectively in a time efficient manner for a real time speedrun and was working on doing this on my twitch channel and told AceEbb about it in early 2017. Soon later Tycon made instructional video breakdowns for the easy door wraps that had been for many years, to merely spoon feed the technicals for the door wrapping used before Kraid to try and get more people, like McFly, to try using the strat for real time runs.
...McFly then took this help and improved the Kraid fight with his excellent select spam.
23:21 I first found this solution of Dboost plus god jump many months earlier and Tycon also later found it and shared it with Mcfly.
There's plenty of other techniques, strategies and details, like the REALLY important time saving MotherBrain fight which CAK first did exceptionally well and McFly slightly improved it even more, and lots of other places time could be won and lost, risk vs reward, ect.
I expected to see Red Scarlet’s name when I started watching, but after thinking back and checking some facts, I don’t think she actually ever held the WR for any%. Blake is correct that Red had the first published console video in Jan 2004, but Tom Votava’s 36 minute TG time from 2003 was faster. I know that his video wasn’t published, but does anyone doubt him? Red eventually beat Tom’s time, but by then, so had I.
Published records can be, and are worth publishing again with known historical time stamps; hidden feats, claims, or records 1 or 2 people witness aren't worth much to all but 1 or 2 people and tend to stay that way.
I agree about published records, but I feel like the historical context of any run is important to consider.
The historical context of Tom's 2003 Metroid run is completely different from, say, Richard Ureta's 2005 LoZ run. There was nowhere to publish or submit a run in 2003 except TG. If you wanted to publish a video online, you had to capture, edit, process, and host the video yourself somehow to have maybe 50 interested people watch it. In 2005, all you had to do was send Nate a tape, and within weeks, your speed run was available online at SDA with a large audience ready to devour it and shower you with accolades.
Haha, you're right, I forgot about how bad the backlog got at times. No problem today with Twitch and UA-cam.
You're right, Tom's run in 2003 should be noted; however it wasn't published and could have been, SDA was established prior to this. It's just a shame.
*****UPDATE*****
As of the posting of this comment, the (NES) Metroid WR is held by a newcomer (not in the video) CHX42 (USA). With a time of 9m 12s 150ms.
CHX42 is one of three runners with a time that is sub 10m, as of this comment.
CHX42's WR was set a year ago, from this comment.
I'm always astounded by how low key most of the world record reactions are, so many speedrunners will beat a previous time by like 20 seconds and just go "Ah, good."
Better than screaming like retarded 3 year olds
When I beat my own record back in the day, I think I gave a casual "oh fuck yeah", the a yes! And that was it.
Then you'll be happy to know the runner VAJ
Either that or like
WFIENOFEWJNIDWVNDNIWVDNDVIWJNWVDIJNVDWINDE F*** S*** B**** A** IDJNICWNJIDWCNIJCDWNJDCIWND. HELL YES F*** YES
@@WALDENSOFTWARE is it like that because you're busy thinking about what you did right or wrong?
Dude, the production quality keeps going up and up with every video. I simply love it! It's visible progression that we can all see.
I might not be inspired to become a speed runner, but these videos do inspire me to double my efforts in my own videos.
agbugger >meme arrow
Metroid McFly: "Hey McFly! I bet you can't beat my world record!"
Metroid McFly: "No thanks, man."
Metroid McFly: "What's the matter, chicken?"
Metroid McFly: "Nobody calls me chicken."
*Beats his own world record ten thousand times*
Crushes his own record ten thousand times is more like it. Dear God, 30 seconds, 26 seconds, 34 seconds, 16 seconds ad infinitum.
Those are seriously impressive gains on a sub-15 minute WR. That's like a 3-5% gain every time.
Please never stop making these videos. Or if you wanna make up a new series of videos over time, go for it. You present thoughtful analysis. Fantastic overlay over video content and your audio commentary. People should study your channel to learn how it's done. :)
Very nice of you to say all this!
*Me:* Who would release a new high quality video at 3 in the morning?
*Summoning Salt:* Oh boy, 3 a.m.!
nice spoongebob reference
I recently watched this video and tried to look up Metroid Mcfly.
Nothing exists of his speedruns today. It's fine that he decided to quit speedrunning if it was getting to him, but I find it sad that the vods of the man who took whole minutes off this speedrun is now no longer found. Hopefully, he comes back.
I'd love to see a WR Progression on Grand Theft Auto San Andreas. It's such an odd choice to speedrun considering it's length, I'm curious to think how long the first speedruns for that game could've taken lol
MrMixtape This would be a looong video since there are so many missions and so many ways to beat them in the fastest way possible
Well, not that long anymore :P
Welp now you can beat it in 15 minutes :P
@@fabolousninenine30he'd probably breakdown the throughlines of strats and glitches to focus on the big changes and busy times of quick records
revolutionary video game imho
Nice vid Salt!
Kosmicd12 There is literally not enough time since the upload for you to have watched the video
kosmicZ
Maybe I watched it sped up 🤔
Maybe I got early access 🤔
Or maybe the music and sounds in the 1:30 were enough for it to already be a good video 😎
yeah salt did super well on the sound design for this one
Agreed 100% You could go left! Mind=Blown for the time of release.
A new WR progression?! At 11 o'clock on the Sunday before Midterms?!?! Mark my words: We will meet again.
Armageddon Deathwish Jesus midterms already good luck mate
this info here is more important
Ditto
rip spring break
A new WR progression video? At 11 o'clock on a Sunday night, localized entirely on Summoning Salt's channel?
McFly has a sup 10 record now. and has held it for 6 months as up 9/12/19
cant find the video, do you have a link?
found it! www.speedrun.com/metroid_nes/run/z030n5oz
Chx42 has all the records now
So, a new runner, CHX42, came along and completely took over Metroid. It looks like they pretty much just specialize in Metroid. They hold 1st in 4/5 categories.
@@ryanbarofsky4948 it would be 4 out of 6 from the main page, but also, he took the old twin galaxy route too. If you go to the metroid category extensions it is labeled as deathless NMG. That stood for 6 years
Hello the next 27 minutes of my life
Hello EZScape
I also said this when I spotted the thumbnail :D
I paused the second season of Jessica Jones for this. WORTH IT
rofl its so true though
"27 minutes ago"
Well, how was it?
I have no interest in speed running, but these videos are so well done that I have to watch every one.
John Shreve - I’m with you. The only thing about speed running that concerns me are these videos.
Same. I can't be bothered to speed run any game. But learning about it is just part of the art
And here we are, two and a half years later, and the current record stands at 9:39. That's another two minutes shaved off the record. Very impressive!
Hey Summoning Salt. I've said this before in other videos you've made, but I just want to say again that I think you make some of the best content on UA-cam. Your careful composition of each video, laying out specific dates, names, and achievements are outstanding. You really turn it into a more proper "history lesson" as to the evolution of each specific speed run. It always seems as though achievement A is unbeatable, and then you lead into achievement B that just continues to amaze. You also do a good job of balancing your speaking voice, music, sound effects, and actual footage of the speedrun and what the speedrunner is saying as it was live when recorded. Thanks again for doing a great job. These videos are just a pleasure to watch.
This is production-worthy content that belongs on TV/movies; I can't say how excited I am to watch these... If anything else comes out of this great work is a new generation of runners
I’m going to be honest I couldn’t care less about speed running but the way you show passion through your videos and the editing quality makes me binge watch these and I feel like I’m starting to like speed runs
Summoned me instantly..
fuck yeah bro
Summoning more than just salt.
Summoned faith in humanity :P
same
Cummmmmmmmmm on children.
I held my breath every time I watched someone do the escape in this video.
MetroidMcfly might have had one of the most insane shows of speedrun leaderboard dominance ever, in any of these videos I’ve watched.
lowering the record by 30 seconds at a time for a month or so is outrageous
When I was a kid my friends mom made him give me this game because she said it was satanic
"Hey, this game is satanic, so the best possible thing to do is give it to your friend RIGHT???"
Cool, I hope you beat the game and then sacrificed your friend's mom to hell.
She probably got permanently scarred by the uncomfortable sexual abuse imagery in Alien, and that led her to become religious. Then a thing comes along that is basically lo-fi Alien, and it triggers her.
charlesdumarr A-are you serious?! If anything, the game is about KILLING demons and getting rid of darkness.
That makes about as much sense as saying the Bible is satanic because it talks about sin.
Well... that's strange. But good for you, I guess.
"Most of you probably hate glitches and want to see them banned from speedruns"
Actually my fascination with glitches and seeing games being utterly broken is what got me into speed runs in the first place.
yep
I hated glitched speedruns... until I started watching these world record progression videos. These vids gave me a much better appreciation for them.
In my opinion, there's plenty of room for glitches so long as glitchless categories exist too. It's chocolate and vanilla to me.
+Soapy Foten I honestly find glitchless speedruns, nine times out of ten, tend to be really boring. Some glitches are incredibly hard to pull off, so it is amazing to see runners pulling them off, especially on World Record pace!
As long as it has its own category it's fine. There should always be a category for people who just want to play the game fast without having to mess with glitches.
I know im late but is anyone going to talk about the 8bit rendition of “Highway to the danger zone”?
I was going to comment about it, I am just watching this video and that part right now.
Good shit
I know. ‘Tis beautiful, ain’t it?
I noticed it too!
I think it’s from the NES version of Top Gun, it plays during refueling
Only person able to describe speed running, literally doing games as fast as possible, in a juicy 27 minute video and not bore us.
Quite a few other people have done WR progressions and are also speedrunning focused with long videos that aren't boring, but I agree, SS just has a special something.
DracXBelmont who else do you recommend?
Brandon McNeill averagetrey
Love the random-ass stage names the streamers used.
Laberge some names are made to represent the character/personality we streamers portray while streaming
It's only random for you because you don't know why they chose them.
"Laberge" is even more random to me.
@@malucart are you saying Spider Waffle is less weird than Laberge
@@JAZZYMETALSONIC Yes.
I feel like if I speedran I would call myself "Texas fried Sun" and nobody, me included, would know why
I love how when Metroid Mcfly would beat his own record he’d mostly just quietly say “all right”
Metroid McFly: *beats game that takes most people hours upon hours in under 12 minutes*
Metroid McFly: alright
Metroid Mcfly: *cures cancer*
Also Mcfly: all right
This was just the relaxing and interesting thing I needed this morning after another night of insomnia, stress dreams, and nightmares; typical. Thank you, Summoning Salt.
If my last name was Cthulu, I'd have nightmares too, buddy.
Gary Oak Smell ya later!
you dropped an H from Cthulhu
I had basically the same night as you except instead of insomnia, I had sleeping for 3 minutes 5 times and feeling like crap each time
If you're having dreams then you must be sleeping so you don't have insomnia.
Did you really use a 8bit ver of danger zone?
CZ PC HELL YES 😂🤯
Lol thats wat i was gonan say
I believe it's from the top gun nes game.
Lana...? Lana...? ...... LANAAAAAAAA?!?!
WHAT?!?!
Nobody:
Summoning Salt: "There are people who play games to be entertained for hours at a time. But there are also different people."
Controllerhead totally wrecked me
get fuckin' beasted, craig
Dangerzone got me
This was truly a great documentary to watch, thanks!
I don't know what the stigma agasinst glitches is. They're often hard to execute, so what makes it easier? It's just faster.
PS. If you can give a reason why people hate glitches, tell me.
Lots.of people think its bresking the game or whatever but really theres not a sokid reason
The record says 'Metroid Speedrun'. If you didn't play the game properly then it doesn't count as Metroid.
...Or so the argument goes.
Michael Hird the argument against glitches has everything to do with developers intent. Glitches are seen as errors in code not intended mechanics so how could you be good at the game if you aren’t playing the game when you aren’t “playing” the game. This is understandable to some respects where a glitch may rely on luck making the entirety of the speed run depended on a 1/10000 chance as we saw in Bioshock Infinite where there was a 1/256(?) item that would allow for a much faster speed run leaving the run dependent on a players luck more than their skill. I personally think that the exploitation of the game is the gamers duty break the game that the developers painstakingly made. Today to make a better game and in the past to show the happy accidents that are the game.
Personally I find glitchless runs more interesting to watch. I don't have anything against runs with glitches, but watching a character warp around the map or clip through geometry to skip huge sections is less entertaining to me.
I disagree. Like in the Sonic video for example a lot of the glitches were executed at a great risk. That adds in a whole new dimension to speed runs, not to mention the glitches are usually the hardest parts to perform so it takes even more skill.
that 8 bit danger zone really got me
The song "Danger Zone" was sung by Kenny Loggins for the movie Top Gun.
Song video: ua-cam.com/video/siwpn14IE7E/v-deo.html
Song audio: ua-cam.com/video/yK0P1Bk8Cx4/v-deo.html
William Meisburger-Iwata you should check out the 8-bit version of “Everybody Wants to Rule the World” in the Mario 3 episode.
I just love these videos^^ I don't Speedrun myself, I love taking my time in games. But watching speedruns is awesome. These little history vids are so interesting. Thank ya so much🐏
yea same here its good looking at how people play the meta in games we love though. I think i'm good then look at this and think, o boy.
Your storytelling ability is unbelievable! I'm not interested in speedruning or any of the games you've upload a video from, but I find myself coming back to watch your videos time and time again!
This video is so awesome, I actually uploaded the Speed Demo Archives in 2005 when i was 14 i had a run which placed top 80's to watch this game come as far as it has is unreal i swear so unreal.
19:00 DANGER ZONE!!!, I always appreciate the rewatchability of your videos.
5:16 this has to be my favorite moment in any of your WR progression videos, the use of erie music and heartbeats is top notch.
OH BOY 3 AM!
Doug McAuliffe lol perfect
I know it's probably daunting, but are you planning on a Doom speedrunning video? That's where the whole scene started after all.
Doom is definitely the most classic 1st person shooter--very good suggestion. Quake would be my next 1st person shooter video suggestion. I think that Ocarina of Time is the most requested video, though.
gilbert martinez that’s not very kosher of you
@gilbert martinez I need a link. For practicr
Did you try Karl Jobst videos?
Doom isn't really a speedrun in the same way that something like Metroid is, it has 36 levels, all of which are very competitive, any level could be made into a video. Running the full game isn't actually too popular.
I love these. And thanks for taking the time to go through these. They obviously take a lot of time and attention to detail. Shout out to the credits as well for helping make these videos great!
These are the only videos that I ALWAYS watch totally throughout from start to finish every time
Antpaok Ah.
Keep it up Salt, this series is the definition of good content!
These are very well edited. The pauses where you let a sentence linger and the music sustain are fantastic. Well done.
love the series man. keep up the good work
8:46 "And also his run apparently stood for 7 years"
Like "oh yeah, that happened too." 😆
I have never played metroid before but i watched all 27 minutes of this video and didn’t get bored at all. You deserve way more subscribers and your videos are on another level.
Now Metroid McFly has taken the WR down to 9m 42s, incredible! What an inspiration. I want to do my own speedrunning now!
What games do you speedrun?
@@thenoseguyhalo 2
I love how in Controllerheads’ stream’s chat at 16:33 they’re talking about Melee/Smash 4 and Mango lmao
Melee is Life.
The beach theme from Plok was such an awesome surprise, I love that track. And Metroid is the best NES game in my opinion. Great video, thanks for the great production value and effort. I love exploring with the door jump and feel like there are still unknown discoveries out there.
2:02 "Get items that let you deal more damage"
Pictured: Samus getting an item that makes her deal half damage
Came for the vid, stayed for the Halo music
Nice!
I stayed for Danger Zone!🤣
I stayed for Jazz SMW credits music.
Same here. I love Summoning Salt's OST choices for his videos.
Was this star fox or halo at 21:30
I found this channel recently and now i'm totally addicted! This is pure gold! I need MOAR World Record Progression Videos!!
Wait, hold up! Twin Galaxies has been *that shady* for *that long* and we're only just now getting wise to this sort of stuff? I mean, really, only the referees needed to see the footage, then it just vanished into nothingness? That's like if the Olympics were never televised and completely barred to live spectators, and the public only ever got a news report from the judges after the event is all said and done. I've seen picky people go on about how speed running needs all these rules and standards and so on, yet these same people have apparently let all sorts of stuff slide for years. It makes me feel like a lot of these "purists" are less concerned with integrity and more concerned with keeping the hobby's accessibility to a minimum so they can enjoy long rides on high horses. I'm no longer surprised that the hobby (including high score records) was built on fraud. I'm starting to understand why so many serious runners have more salt than a Centurion's meat locker. Thank you, Summoning, for providing these great and genuinely entertaining documentaries entirely divorced from all the unsavory elements of the communities at large. I used to be a huge spectator and follower of this stuff, but now I only really trust or enjoy content like yours.
It was a different time, videos were a lot less accessible and Twin Galaxies was the "best" you had in most cases. I won't claim to have a lot of knowledge about the time, but I can imagine that Twin Galaxies had a lot of influence back then, so if you had some kind of world record then people expected you to be backed up by TG. You have to be aware that we have the luxuries of more advanced technology and hindsight, Twin Galaxies probably didn't look nearly as shady to the public as it does today.
Also, I think it's only blowing up now since they gradually got less and less relevant, for example the ones expected to back up your claim switched to Speedrun Archives, I'm guessing a lot of people just forgot Twin Galaxies was still around.
Yeah. They should have uploaded their videos to youtube instead of recording them on VHS.
IYPITWL UA-cam didn't exist until 2005, so anything before that couldn't be uploaded to the site.
It was a joke. Obviously UA-cam didn't exist.
@@SuperLucky7 thatsthejoke.jpg
I see new Summoning Salt vid...I click. I upvote. Then I watch.
u a real nigga
As above except i send the video to my chromecast too
me too
So much this.
Did you SMASH that like button?
Dude.. I don't even play video games and I've never once played metroid.. But I believe this is my 3rd watch of this video alone. Your content has become one of my go-to choices for chill casual viewing.
The production value is off the charts and you do a great job of giving enough history and details about the games so that even people unfamiliar with them can still go along for the ride and enjoy the progressions.
Keep up the great work, brother.
14:04 Why didn't they just make a category for glitch-less speed runs? BOOM problem solved. Honestly if there was SUCH a market for it then why didn't people just make their own site advertising that they allow glitch less speed runs and glitched speed runs in two different categorizes?
A lot of people seem to have thought about glitches as cheats, as in the same boat as turning on god mode. Allowing glitched speedruns probably made the website less legitimate in some people's eyes, I think it was a much bigger and controversial subject back then, and it doesn't look like a big deal now since it has already died down.
CONCUR COMPLETELY!!!!
The problem is defining what a "glitch" is. See the Pokemon Red and Blue video on this channel.
@@skyblade7438 IMHO, if you have the original game medium in the original game machine with an official controller, whatever happens on the screen is part of the game. For me it's absolutely 100x crazier that non-original-machinery runs are allowed but glitches are frowned upon. If you have the game in its original form the way it was sold to the public, again whatever happens on the screen is OFFICIALLY part of that game. This is the only rule there should have been on the subject.
@@darsure3006 So if you inject code using the game controller on original hardware to skip to the end, it's OK?
when you said "he should be known as a legend in the speedrunning community" I was preparing for you to say "Matt Turk"
Somehow Summoning Salt's videos feel more enjoyable than the actual speedruns. As for the entertainment value you couldn't have done a better job. Excellent.
I'm at the airport and my plane leaves in 40 minutes. I will have to speed run to my gate after watching this!
Hearing Metroid's music to this day still has a physical effect on me.
i loved the explanation of the OG strats and improvements. your best video yet and if this is any indication of future quality I'm excited
Interesting to see spider-waffle mentioned here who also helped do the 20min Half-Life speedrun. Guy is an absolute veteran in the speedrun community
And still active!
We miss you summoning salt :( hope everything is good on the home front!
I freaking love your videos man... keep up the great work!
I'm gonna have welcome to the danger zone stuck in my head all day now
What a beautiful channel
You really rock my friend. I hope you'll keep uploading these videos until the end of eternity
I see you with that Plok music at 14:15. Sneaky, sneaky...
which song is it?
edit: nvm it's Beach from the game Plok
For the rest of time can we all collectively refer to kraid as Craig from now on
Your videos are strangely comforting. I often keep them playing in the background; it helps with my anxiety. So uh... thanks!
Summoning Salt? You still alive? We're worried about you, buddy.
Hey
I'll take it
Could you please explain how timers work in speedruns? I’ve seen players hit the timer button manually, how do they know the points of starting and finishing? Milliseconds when they push the button can be quite crucial for the game record.
The actual timer you see is mostly for the benefit of the runners, although many runners use auto-split programs that actually do give millisecond-accurate times. The final time is determined by actually looking at the video, and for some games there's also behavior that depends on the precise frame number that can be used to pin it down even more precisely.
Splits let the runners and audience know what kind of pace they are on, but runs are manually timed by watching game capture footage after the run is complete, to time more precisely.
+Eldritch Yeah, in Super Mario Bros., the pattern of Bowser's jump and hammers determines the final time to the exact frame.
Stumbled on to this channel. It’s awesome to see the progression. Nice work🙌
Internet random people
"glitch runs are cheap to me"
Professional runners
"I'm gonna risk and do this barely humanly possible glitch to gain 2 frames over the wr"
Hmmmz, why can't I find any of McFly's records on the leader board anymore? Did they change name or were their records purged? =S
Thanks for the great videos, and extra thanks for including the list of music you used. Really appreciate it
6:22 you need to give me a warning before nuking me with nostalgia like that dude, that track cant be used lightly.
I checked the Any% Deathless leaderboard today and now 7 players have a sub-15. Apparently MetroidMcFly privated his account or something because there's a gray "Anonymous" with no sign of "MetroidMcFly" anywhere.
As for the current world record, it goes to CHX42 with 10m 52s as the only sub-11 player right now
I'm currently rewatching this again, (all of these in fact) they are just so informative. I really love speedruns and this series is fantastic to watch. I'm looking forward to what you come up with next. I'd love to see some of the Resident Evil series one day. Keep up the great work, these videos can't come soon enough lol
That no death rule is 100% stupid. If dying in game saves you time and the game includes a death mechanic, then that's fair game. Anyone who says differently is special pleading.
www.speedrun.com/metroid_nes/full_game#Any here's any% bud
I can see why it's banned. Because let's say in metroid how summoning salt just explained. If you killed yourself after the kraid fight. You'll instantly get warped up. Which would be the easiest route to take and everyone would do. Killing yourself won't take any skill. Now trying to escape the lair takes skill, you'll need to be really good at climbing to the top to get a good time. That's why it makes sense to me in this game. But I'm sure not all games warp you to a certain place if you die. I'm sure other speed runs allow deaths.
@Brandon Sergent
That's like saying it would be totally cool if there was a death glitch in the early game that immediately took you to the end, thus making the run insanely easy and erasing all competition of any kind. You're a moron.
Exactly. Dying to save time does not count but glitching to save time does?!?
run rules are not put there to determine what is fair and what isnt but rather to balance entertainment and skill, the death mechanic is banned because it makes the runs lame to play and boring to watch not because its "unfair"
What's the song at 21:15? I recognize it from somewhere but can't place it.
Seconding this
I think Star Fox. It just hit me.
That's it!
ua-cam.com/video/dYHV-jeccG4/v-deo.html
You are already amazing at these videos. Can’t wait to see what you come up with next.
everyone shut up the godfather is talking
Zaswarley that reminds me of old school. “Yes, from the guy who probably isn’t getting in.”
These videos are fantastic, dude. One of the best channels on UA-cam. Keep up the good work.
Metroid McFly looks like he's traveling through time... But he's just lowering the time it takes to beat the game.
What happened to metroid McFly? All of his social media accounts are deleted and there is no record of him on speedrun.com
Today i found this channel and it became one of my most favourite youtube channel of all time. Keep up with the great work man!
MetroidMcFly has since lowered it down to 9:42 as of February 23rd 2019
Damn. Thats sick.
No he hasn't. The category shown in this video is any% deathless which has a wr of 11:16
Then Scott Kessler comes back with a 2 minute run