Same here, lying about the group tormented me. I’m glad God finally opened my eyes to the deception and manipulation of the group, and gave me the courage to leave the group. We need to keep praying for those who are still in SCJ; pray that their eyes are opened and have the courage to leave 🙏🏾
I feel shattered after all this info and the videos from little birds and Shincheonji skeptic... The fact that LMH is not even explaining himself with these contradictions is frustrating. I am slowly losing interest in God and I just get irritated when I have to pray. I'm just tired there's a lot I learned from SCJ which is true especially intro class the parables. I can't get over the fulfillment pictures reality. I prayed to God to help me see the truth, a sign or something but to no avail. I'm tired.
@@boni2197 You finding out these info and videos from little birds and Shincheonji skeptic are signs God is waking you up to the truth about SCJ. Now it’s up to you to leave SCJ or stay. But know that when you leave God is with you. He loves you so much and wants you to be free from deception and manipulation. And He is protecting you every step of the way of leaving SCJ. He still loves you now but also desires for you to be set free from SCJ doctrines (false doctrines). As you leave, surrender everything to the Lord the best way you can. Also if you can, you could go to a professional therapist to help counsel you through this pain or hurt. Or even speak to someone it helps. I know telling my family members what happened, I felt a huge relieve and a bit of freedom. But I found more freedom in Christ. I know this is hard. God loves you. I’ll keep you in my prayers as well Helpful verses 1 John 5:20, Acts 4:13, 2 Thes 3:3, 1 John 3:20, 2 Cor 10:5, Ephesians 6:10-18, 2 Cor 11:3-4 , 2 Corin 11:13-15
@@Penguinsxz Thank you.I have been depressed lately, went back to drinking and I feel like screaming. It's torture. I keep on replaying the moments of betrayals, manipulation (personal things I shared with my so called" friend"-the leaf ) only to be reported. I mean Jesus didn't need to manipulate people to believe him. Worst part I don't even know who to talk to no friends and obviously I can't trust anyone in the church to confide in even the people who are supposed to be my" family" in Christ .
@@Penguinsxzyes I am afraid to open up to them too. They used to tell me I spend more time in Bible class and I'm obsessed. I don't have it but I will make one.
Omg I remember the "You aren't smiling enough " comment like babe it's 7pm, I've been up since 3:30am for work and class ends at 9pm and I have to wake up 3:30am again...like be happy I can pay attention at this point.
They told me they were a non-denominational Bible study and then revealed later their true name. They also guilt tripped me when I tried to stop attending the studies and pressured me to tell them details of my personal life.
Hi there, I’m currently a member. Can definitely attest to how manipulative, emotionally and mentally abusive this organization is. I’ve been in it for over 5 years. Great video and thank you for not just sharing your experience, but honestly speaking on behalf of all of us who have or currently are experiencing all of this.
Yea I just found out myself about the bible study I was attending, I was uneasy with a lot of their doctrine so I was praying for guidance and revelation. I was doing some research on a topic we were going to learn and happened to come across a video on the topic so I clicked on it and hold and behold it was exactly the same teachings I was getting. At the time I said cool I found a go-to site to study. By the way, I'm in the Introductory class. I looked up the name and it was the Sincheoji Church, but all this other stuff started to come up, and I must tell you I was shocked. First, I thanked GOD for guiding me there because as I mentioned I was in prayer for guidance and revelation on the teachings that made me uneasy. I wasn't going to say anything until I did more research you know to give them the benefit of the dought. I informed my daughter because she was in the same class as I was and she told me not to believe it and to give the class a chance. First of all, I only joined because she was in it and I wanted to make sure it was legit. I have read the Bible and was knowledgeable of the word. I also had unofficial teachings on the Bible via UA-cam. So, before our next class, the TA from our group texts me stating that she wants to meet because my daughter was asking her questions. I said ok. She asked me what was going on and I stated you tell me you were the one that wanted to meet she said that my daughter had told her what I said so I asked her If they were part of the Sincheoji Church she asked me a question instead I asked again, and again she asked me a question instead by that point I say to her don't answer my question with a question and just answer my question it's not a difficult question is it, yes, no or you don't know. I noticed she was texting someone because at that point she did not know what to say. I say goodbye and that I'll see her in class. Less than a minute after the instructor called me but that's another story it turns out my daughter was a member who by the way for them recruited me then she lied to me about it and threw me under the bus. I was going to be attending the Bible class for this week only, to see if I can reach anyone else to warn them but I also found out that members are also portraying students I manage to have 2 others who agree with me on this and they say to stay and just keep asking them questions and throwing scriptures at them maybe we can get threw some of them. Don't feel too comfortable with that I really don't know who to trust but I said I would try. But the betrayal I felt not only from the group but from my own daughter. Whom I am praying fervently. Any advice would be appreciated and the idea of an honest Bible study would be great many are searching for like-minded individuals who are also seeking God and have come out of the world. Honestly, That's what I liked about the group they all seem so nice and sweet but it was all a lie and it made sense why they were nervous when members wanted to exchange numbers. Like the gentleman in the video said wolves in sheep's clothing it's so sad. Very fearful for my daughter though again any advice would be appreciated.
I had a similar experience where I was recruited into a zoom bible study by someone who messaged me on facebook. little things got me suspicious and I also prayed for discernment. After one zoom bible study meeting everyone was logging off and while trying to log off I accidentally ended up online with the people running the study along with the guy that introduced me to the meeting. The way that they were surprised that I popped up into their private meeting got me more suspicious. The guy that invited me to the bible study was acting like he was new to the class to but the way he was meeting with the group leaders was a little off to me. I was discerning little things, things that felt "off". Then I googled the name of the class and Shincheonji came up. Thank God I only attended 3 classes and didn't go further where I would have become emotionally attached to the class and the people to the point where it would be hard for me to leave. So yes, praying for discernment works! Now I plan to just study the Bible slowly like I was doing before all of this and I ask God to guide me on the right path and in the right direction.
Since your daughter is a member that means she has already been through the revelation lessons. So my advice would be to ask her to watch little birds videos on UA-cam that shows evidence of doctrine change also shincheonji skeptic.There are documented evidence and like Chris mentioned Shincheonji skeptic channel quotes Lee man here's book it self. Also don't show any anger or mistreat her it'll only push her away, show her love as her mother. I'm sure she herself also felt some things were wrong there, if she's a new member one doctrine failure that would make sense is revelation 7 since it's the most recent one that contradicts the teaching of SCJ.
Wow good for u. I have been joining the bible study for almost a year now and had develop a relationship w my sg teacher. Its not easy when u get to know the people and see they are just victims
Got invited by a new friend to an online study and as soon as the church name popped up I got an uneasy feeling in my gut and spirit. I Googled the name and site after site stated cult. I immediately logged off the Zoom call and messaged my friend who invited me. Of course she said those sites were all lies, etc. 🤢🥴🤮
Thank you both for an amazing interview and Chris you did great! I would love you to have a video with Mike winger to break down the things they teach aswell! I’ve been an unknowing student of scj for 3 years in the UK! Someone reached out to me on Instagram , then joined the small class , I moved to the bigger class and had to repeat it because “we weren’t perceiving” only to find out who they are 3 years later! I’m super shocked at the amount of deception that goes on and I thank God I didn’t fall for all of their manipulation because I left immediately they started taking about man he lee. Pray for me because now I need to get rid of the things they taught me as I’m now able to see the discrepancies and misalignment with the bible. The whole time I didn’t know they didn’t believe in the trinity until I asked after watching this video !
@@sakura1044they never revealed to me who they were, and pretended to just be an independent theological teaching group. They made me do a test after a year or so. And told me I had to redo the class in order to go to the next sessions.(probably because they weren’t convinced that I was believing what they taught) That’s how they kept me in for three years because I was learning with them for that long
Yeah me too. I think it may even be easier for them to listen to this than listening to a former WMSCOG member. It would probably feel like less of an attack on them. I hope they listen too!
I study here for 5 months not yet done I'm in intermediate level or 2nd level. A friend of mind send some video about this group. There I realized I have to leave asap. I just got out of school 2 days. ago. My family so happy that I leave.
My friend and I study there she still In introductory level or level one. I'm a ahead of her. when her Pastor warn about new heaven new earth she immediately talk to me and we realize that we have to stop asap.
thank you for the video. I am from Slovakia. My friend who lives in Prague whom i baptized got lured into this church so i am researching about it. I new right away when he mentioned it that something was off. But he does not. He has had about 80 lessons and it is all about revelation and this new thing of course. .. it is saddening.
Can someone please message me about this cult. My friends been in it for over 10 years. She was straight up recruited out of USC. I hope she sees this too. I told her I would never ever stop. I still message her every birthday. She’s been ignoring me now for 2 years. I still text her every month. She basically ignored me after I confronted her. She’s my best friend. Not sure what to do. I can’t kidnap her lol. What should I do? She’s wasting her life away when she’s so smart. I don’t understand. I’m really thinking about going in person soon
The thing is everyone is given free will. It just happens that there are those who take advantage of their free will, aka deceivers who targets those who aren’t that knowledgeable with the Scriptures. The Apostles and Disciples warned believers about heresies and false teachers. We just need to do our homework to check if what’s being taught to us is based on the Scriptures in it’s proper context. No jumping around or cherry-picking the verses. It should be Genesis to Revelation, verse by verse. That is the proper Bible study and how the 1st century Messianics studied. If you attend a Messianic Jewish congregation they still keep that practice even today.
They did this to me very badly also I went through the entire course and I couldn’t join I found errors in teachings being unanswered and I was shamed greatly though new comers edu after the course I felt my spirit dying the longer I remained and they’d left a religious fear in my heart very badly I had a great relationship with God before the religious trauma from them still working on letting go of the fear and shame from them so I can move forward with my relationship with God
@@SCJSkeptic if you don't believe in God anymore, please don't try to push that on others. there's people like myself who have faith because of the love of GOD we have experienced and the encounters we have had with the Lord, let her or Him believe in the word of God if they want to. God bless you.
@@mariaonguene The comment I responded to is from a Shincheonji member that has commented on many of our videos. This person was saying that people should start with Shincheonji's bible study. Your request for me to stop promoting logic and epistemology is denied. People can believe whatever they want but if someone posts something on a public platform, anyone else can criticize it if they want. It's called freedom of speech.
Hello, I've seen your comments. There are many testimonies online of people from all over the world claiming the same thing, that the SCJ sect lied to them and deceived them when they were being recruited. My question for you is this, if SCJ is willing to lie to you at the start, then how do you know for sure that they aren't lying to you about other things like their fulfillment?
Email Chris at: LtdChaos@hotmail.com
Same here, lying about the group tormented me. I’m glad God finally opened my eyes to the deception and manipulation of the group, and gave me the courage to leave the group. We need to keep praying for those who are still in SCJ; pray that their eyes are opened and have the courage to leave 🙏🏾
I feel shattered after all this info and the videos from little birds and Shincheonji skeptic... The fact that LMH is not even explaining himself with these contradictions is frustrating. I am slowly losing interest in God and I just get irritated when I have to pray. I'm just tired there's a lot I learned from SCJ which is true especially intro class the parables. I can't get over the fulfillment pictures reality.
I prayed to God to help me see the truth, a sign or something but to no avail. I'm tired.
@@boni2197 You finding out these info and videos from little birds and Shincheonji skeptic are signs God is waking you up to the truth about SCJ. Now it’s up to you to leave SCJ or stay. But know that when you leave God is with you. He loves you so much and wants you to be free from deception and manipulation. And He is protecting you every step of the way of leaving SCJ. He still loves you now but also desires for you to be set free from SCJ doctrines (false doctrines).
As you leave, surrender everything to the Lord the best way you can. Also if you can, you could go to a professional therapist to help counsel you through this pain or hurt. Or even speak to someone it helps. I know telling my family members what happened, I felt a huge relieve and a bit of freedom. But I found more freedom in Christ. I know this is hard. God loves you. I’ll keep you in my prayers as well
Helpful verses 1 John 5:20, Acts 4:13, 2 Thes 3:3, 1 John 3:20, 2 Cor 10:5, Ephesians 6:10-18, 2 Cor 11:3-4 , 2 Corin 11:13-15
@@Penguinsxz Thank you.I have been depressed lately, went back to drinking and I feel like screaming. It's torture. I keep on replaying the moments of betrayals, manipulation (personal things I shared with my so called" friend"-the leaf ) only to be reported. I mean Jesus didn't need to manipulate people to believe him. Worst part I don't even know who to talk to no friends and obviously I can't trust anyone in the church to confide in even the people who are supposed to be my" family" in Christ .
@@Penguinsxzyes I am afraid to open up to them too. They used to tell me I spend more time in Bible class and I'm obsessed. I don't have it but I will make one.
@@boni2197 How are you now? I hope you regained your faith in Christ beyond all of the falsity and distraction. 🙏🏽
Omg I remember the "You aren't smiling enough " comment like babe it's 7pm, I've been up since 3:30am for work and class ends at 9pm and I have to wake up 3:30am again...like be happy I can pay attention at this point.
wow im happy you are free now!❤
They told me they were a non-denominational Bible study and then revealed later their true name. They also guilt tripped me when I tried to stop attending the studies and pressured me to tell them details of my personal life.
Hi there, I’m currently a member. Can definitely attest to how manipulative, emotionally and mentally abusive this organization is. I’ve been in it for over 5 years. Great video and thank you for not just sharing your experience, but honestly speaking on behalf of all of us who have or currently are experiencing all of this.
Thanks for watching and sorry for any difficulty this group has caused you!
Are you still attending the services?
@@DBrown-vg1fi yes I do
@@booknerd2165 I see I was there for almost a decade so if you have any questions you can definitely reach out to me!
@@DBrown-vg1fi what made you leave?
Yea I just found out myself about the bible study I was attending, I was uneasy with a lot of their doctrine so I was praying for guidance and revelation. I was doing some research on a topic we were going to learn and happened to come across a video on the topic so I clicked on it and hold and behold it was exactly the same teachings I was getting. At the time I said cool I found a go-to site to study. By the way, I'm in the Introductory class. I looked up the name and it was the Sincheoji Church, but all this other stuff started to come up, and I must tell you I was shocked. First, I thanked GOD for guiding me there because as I mentioned I was in prayer for guidance and revelation on the teachings that made me uneasy. I wasn't going to say anything until I did more research you know to give them the benefit of the dought. I informed my daughter because she was in the same class as I was
and she told me not to believe it and to give the class a chance. First of all, I only joined because she was in it and I wanted to make sure it was legit. I have read the Bible and was knowledgeable of the word. I also had unofficial teachings on the Bible via UA-cam. So, before our next class, the TA from our group texts me stating that she wants to meet because my daughter was asking her questions. I said ok. She asked me what was going on and I stated you tell me you were the one that wanted to meet she said that my daughter had told her what I said so I asked her If they were part of the Sincheoji Church she asked me a question instead I asked again, and again she asked me a question instead by that point I say to her don't answer my question with a question and just answer my question it's not a difficult question is it, yes, no or you don't know. I noticed she was texting someone because at that point she did not know what to say. I say goodbye and that I'll see her in class. Less than a minute after the instructor called me but that's another story it turns out my daughter was a member who by the way for them recruited me then she lied to me about it and threw me under the bus. I was going to be attending the Bible class for this week only, to see if I can reach anyone else to warn them but I also found out that members are also portraying students I manage to have 2 others who agree with me on this and they say to stay and just keep asking them questions and throwing scriptures at them maybe we can get threw some of them. Don't feel too comfortable with that I really don't know who to trust but I said I would try. But the betrayal I felt not only from the group but from my own daughter. Whom I am praying fervently. Any advice would be appreciated and the idea of an honest Bible study would be great many are searching for like-minded individuals who are also seeking God and have come out of the world. Honestly, That's what I liked about the group they all seem so nice and sweet but it was all a lie and it made sense why they were nervous when members wanted to exchange numbers. Like the gentleman in the video said wolves in sheep's clothing it's so sad. Very fearful for my daughter though again any advice would be appreciated.
I had a similar experience where I was recruited into a zoom bible study by someone who messaged me on facebook. little things got me suspicious and I also prayed for discernment. After one zoom bible study meeting everyone was logging off and while trying to log off I accidentally ended up online with the people running the study along with the guy that introduced me to the meeting. The way that they were surprised that I popped up into their private meeting got me more suspicious. The guy that invited me to the bible study was acting like he was new to the class to but the way he was meeting with the group leaders was a little off to me. I was discerning little things, things that felt "off". Then I googled the name of the class and Shincheonji came up. Thank God I only attended 3 classes and didn't go further where I would have become emotionally attached to the class and the people to the point where it would be hard for me to leave.
So yes, praying for discernment works! Now I plan to just study the Bible slowly like I was doing before all of this and I ask God to guide me on the right path and in the right direction.
@@mvj1153 that’s what I plan to do as well, God bless
Since your daughter is a member that means she has already been through the revelation lessons. So my advice would be to ask her to watch little birds videos on UA-cam that shows evidence of doctrine change also shincheonji skeptic.There are documented evidence and like Chris mentioned Shincheonji skeptic channel quotes Lee man here's book it self. Also don't show any anger or mistreat her it'll only push her away, show her love as her mother. I'm sure she herself also felt some things were wrong there, if she's a new member one doctrine failure that would make sense is revelation 7 since it's the most recent one that contradicts the teaching of SCJ.
Wow good for u. I have been joining the bible study for almost a year now and had develop a relationship w my sg teacher. Its not easy when u get to know the people and see they are just victims
Got invited by a new friend to an online study and as soon as the church name popped up I got an uneasy feeling in my gut and spirit. I Googled the name and site after site stated cult. I immediately logged off the Zoom call and messaged my friend who invited me. Of course she said those sites were all lies, etc. 🤢🥴🤮
honestly
Thank you both for an amazing interview and Chris you did great! I would love you to have a video with Mike winger to break down the things they teach aswell!
I’ve been an unknowing student of scj for 3 years in the UK! Someone reached out to me on Instagram , then joined the small class , I moved to the bigger class and had to repeat it because “we weren’t perceiving” only to find out who they are 3 years later! I’m super shocked at the amount of deception that goes on and I thank God I didn’t fall for all of their manipulation because I left immediately they started taking about man he lee.
Pray for me because now I need to get rid of the things they taught me as I’m now able to see the discrepancies and misalignment with the bible. The whole time I didn’t know they didn’t believe in the trinity until I asked after watching this video !
How did you not know after 3 years? They tell you after beginner. Just curious.
@@sakura1044they never revealed to me who they were, and pretended to just be an independent theological teaching group. They made me do a test after a year or so. And told me I had to redo the class in order to go to the next sessions.(probably because they weren’t convinced that I was believing what they taught) That’s how they kept me in for three years because I was learning with them for that long
I sincerely hope WMSCOG members watch this video
Yeah me too. I think it may even be easier for them to listen to this than listening to a former WMSCOG member. It would probably feel like less of an attack on them. I hope they listen too!
@@GreatLightStudios Yes that’s very true! Watching WMSCOG interviews is what helped me leave SCJ
I study here for 5 months not yet done I'm in intermediate level or 2nd level. A friend of mind send some video about this group. There I realized I have to leave asap. I just got out of school 2 days. ago. My family so happy that I leave.
I hope you get out. I'd recommend getting as far away as you can from the SCJ as quickly as you can.
My friend and I study there she still In introductory level or level one. I'm a ahead of her. when her Pastor warn about new heaven new earth she immediately talk to me and we realize that we have to stop asap.
Both of us are safe and out of the group. Thanks to God and to the prayer group that help us...
I'll do my own research because I'm gonna leave them for sure 😌🙌🏻
Research base on the Scripture if it is a CuLt or Not .. if you research base on hearsay its over
Did you manage to
thank you for the video. I am from Slovakia. My friend who lives in Prague whom i baptized got lured into this church so i am researching about it. I new right away when he mentioned it that something was off. But he does not. He has had about 80 lessons and it is all about revelation and this new thing of course. .. it is saddening.
Can someone please message me about this cult. My friends been in it for over 10 years. She was straight up recruited out of USC. I hope she sees this too. I told her I would never ever stop. I still message her every birthday. She’s been ignoring me now for 2 years. I still text her every month. She basically ignored me after I confronted her. She’s my best friend. Not sure what to do. I can’t kidnap her lol. What should I do? She’s wasting her life away when she’s so smart. I don’t understand. I’m really thinking about going in person soon
Your an amazing friend, has there been any update
@@EK-up7qq no unfortunately
I needed this, thank you 🙏🏼
Great video. God bless!
Thanks for watching!
Loved this
Thank you for watching!
One question I ask myself is why would God allow many devoted people who think they're doing this for Him? Why?
The thing is everyone is given free will. It just happens that there are those who take advantage of their free will, aka deceivers who targets those who aren’t that knowledgeable with the Scriptures. The Apostles and Disciples warned believers about heresies and false teachers. We just need to do our homework to check if what’s being taught to us is based on the Scriptures in it’s proper context. No jumping around or cherry-picking the verses. It should be Genesis to Revelation, verse by verse. That is the proper Bible study and how the 1st century Messianics studied. If you attend a Messianic Jewish congregation they still keep that practice even today.
David Koresh’s followers also thought they were doing God’s will…
@@redpillman9663 I see you're correct
@@kels729 who is David Koresh?
@@anonymousone6922 look up Waco
Amen brother appreciate it
They did this to me very badly also I went through the entire course and I couldn’t join I found errors in teachings being unanswered and I was shamed greatly though new comers edu after the course I felt my spirit dying the longer I remained and they’d left a religious fear in my heart very badly I had a great relationship with God before the religious trauma from them still working on letting go of the fear and shame from them so I can move forward with my relationship with God
hey love , sorry you went through that, I just left few days ago, how are you feeling now?
God bless you
Please start online bible study
True word of God
Please study logic and epistemology.
@@SCJSkeptic if you don't believe in God anymore, please don't try to push that on others. there's people like myself who have faith because of the love of GOD we have experienced and the encounters we have had with the Lord, let her or Him believe in the word of God if they want to. God bless you.
@@mariaonguene The comment I responded to is from a Shincheonji member that has commented on many of our videos. This person was saying that people should start with Shincheonji's bible study.
Your request for me to stop promoting logic and epistemology is denied. People can believe whatever they want but if someone posts something on a public platform, anyone else can criticize it if they want. It's called freedom of speech.
I was in center with you in Washington.
What is the song at the end?
I don't know what to do.....
Hello, I've seen your comments.
There are many testimonies online of people from all over the world claiming the same thing, that the SCJ sect lied to them and deceived them when they were being recruited.
My question for you is this, if SCJ is willing to lie to you at the start, then how do you know for sure that they aren't lying to you about other things like their fulfillment?
So where do you found wrong you explain the Bible.
Do you know anyone stay there for life time?
Yes Norma, it’s a cult.