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The fact that Meta was willing to share those headsets suggests to me they have already found a working solution to combine them all and believe they are far enough ahead of others that sharing this info won't put them at a disadvantage.
or they dont care because they have already bought up and closed down all the competition, or are willing to buy up and close down any competition if it arises. facebooks monopolistic practices are well known. they are a bad company and no one with any sense should support them. p.s - they are not going to release any high end headsets ever, and will not release any particularly improved mobile headsets for a long time. same reason half the original oculus staff left when facebook told them to stop working on high end vr and just make mobile devices.
I'm only tired of hearing about Quest updates that don't fix the utterly unintuitive UI and all of its shortcomings. I mean, if I just fire up a game I don't see much of that, but they want to go down the productivity route with the cambria - they won't go anywhere with the current Quest UI at all, it's just insanely cumbersome.
Honestly I just want the Deckcard to be a stand-alone Index with a higher res screen. But It can also be used in the current 2.0 base station system with either inside out tracking or external when in wired/wireless PCVR mode. Preferably it would be able to play high quality PCVR games like HLA while in standalone mode but that might be too big of a wish.
Integrated inside out tracking paired with the option of lighthouse tracking would be pretty huge. I wouldn't expect it to play AAA games like alyx in standalone mode, but I'd hope that they put some serious work into wireless connectivity. No one really wants to be physically tethered to their PC in an ideal world, so hopefully they put a lot of work into a wireless solution that manages to maximise visual fidelity and minimise latency.
@@LyK0sa definitely, high fidelity bit rate and super low latency would be a dream. As for tracking I'd like to see inside out, but also much smaller base stations in the box. I don't know much about base stations, but if you can essentially wear them on your face via inside out (upto 25 feet), why not have smaller systems?? Maybe 1-2 in the box, but 4 would be ideal for flawless tracking? 🤔
I was so excited to try the index. I used it maybe 2 days and returned it because the cable started failing already and mostly I just felt like 1000$ after being out for SO long and new stuff coming seemed a little crazy
@@wjveryzer7985 Yeah Valve's quality control is a bit iffy but I've heard their customer service is fantastic. They'll send you a replacement headset or cable before you even ship your broken one back. But yeah, despite being one of the best current VR headsets, the Index isn't really worth $1000 anymore. There's too many fantastic VR headsets coming out soon.
i get not wanting a facebook headset. but why on earth would you want a standalone headset? you know the steam deck only has a 720p screen, its not great etc. if you have a pc, shouldnt you want valve to continue to cater to its pc market? to stick with high end vr? i suppose each to his own though, at least its not facebook, plus steam/ valve has a pretty good linux type operating system that games quite well these days, so if anyone can do standalone well (apart from facebook) steam can. i still dont get it though. just for the record.. ;)
Would love eye/facial tracking on a top of the market headset! definitely expecting Valve to surpass the Index with the new headset, but even if they just met the same standards in every field and added facial/eye tracking, it would be my only headset I use.
For the Deckard I mostly want wireless and continued support for base stations. I have full body and really love the accuracy/range of the stations, so even if for most this isn't the ideal setup, I'd be on board with continued support. That said, I'm sure even if the headset doesn't use them the controllers/trackers will continue if specified. Oh, and better color/light depth would be awesome. You are very right on the dimness of VR. Games can do a good job of making you forget about it, but it's always an "issue".
My hopes for the Valve Deckard are just that it's an answer to the Quest 2. I don't need it to be better, I don't need it to be cheaper. I am just tired of waiting for a good affordable VR headset that isn't connected to Facebook.
I think that the price point is because they're taking a significant loss on it in order to grab the market. Fingers crossed, obviously, but I also feel that Valve has always targeted the more high-end sector and prefer to be innovators rather than directly compete with other products. The Pico Neo is basically just a Quest copy if you're looking in that direction, but they're owned by like the Facebook of China, so I don't know if you consider that an improvement.
Agreed. As much as FB is doing wonders for the VR space and advancing technology, I'd absolutely jump ship to Valve if it were even just a Q2 clone. I just absolutely have to have a wireless standalone headset, those are not negotiable features for me.
Agreed. I just want a standalone vr headset that has nothing whatsoever to do with facebook. Had oculus never sold, we’d have already had that. But i guess the money was just too good for them to turn down.
@@Kumari_44 if oculus had blown up, they'd collect you info and you'd have an oculus account.. this futile crap about other tech companies not doing what Facebook does, when it's the exact thing they all do is asinine...
One thing I outright *expect* Valve's new headset to have is eye tracking, thus allowing games to use multi-resolution rendering--i.e. 4k wherever you are looking right down to 240p at the edges of your peripheral vision. That should *DRASTICALLY* increase graphics performance and/or efficiency without players even being able to tell.
For me personally, at this stage of vr progress, I want ONLY increased fov and increased resolution. I will ONLY pay more (and considerably more - up to triple) if these two are significantly improved. And If it needs two XR2 processors to handle those extra pixels - well that should be doable with triple the budget.
5:43 I have definitely noticed this. VR does feel pretty dim when you are in it, and I find myself noticing and missing the distinct lack of brightness while in VR. In particular though, I have noticed that this mostly just makes me tired if I am not doing something active in VR, because it is so dim that my brain seems to associate it with night and sleep, even in a scene designed to look like it is outdoors and bright
@@chrisc1140 Perhaps that could be due to a result of phantom sense. You see what looks like it *should* be a bright light based on the level of bloom, the lightsource, and your expectations, so your body reacts as if it is bright, even when it isn't
@@adicsbtw Nah. Don't have any other phantom sense so that seems unlikely. Shit just be bright sometimes. Can also take the headset off (like going to the bathroom or something) and see very bright light coming out of it if it's pointed at something bright. Maybe just a difference between the pimax and other headsets? I don't remember the Odyssey WMR I had first being noticeably dim, but I didn't have to turn the brightness DOWN on it either.
@@chrisc1140 From what I can tell it seems like pimax headsets are about standard in terms of brightness. Also, phantom sense varies wildly from person to person, and having one part of phantom sense in no way means you will have other any of the other parts. For me I don't notice an issue with things being too bright in VR most of the time, but I can focus on it and sorta convince myself that what I am looking at is bright, and then perceive it as being brighter than it really is. For me, activating that response is similar to how I can activate other phantom sense responses, which is why I suspect it could be a form of phantom sense that just isn't talked about much because of how subtle it is
My two of the five would be Clarity and Comfort. Unless my Quest 2 headset is positioned just right, everything is completely blurry. And the heat coming from the headset for prolonged usage (+20 minutes) starts to give me a massive headache.
hey dude. could you please share a link to the $99 quest 2 colour passthrough news you mentioned recently? try as i might, i can't find anything on it anywhere.
Valve Deckard wishlist: 4k per eye At least 130° fov Hand tracking Improved knuckles controllers Wireless Pc and standalone modes but when in pc mode doesn't run off the battery like the quest so it won't ever die while playing on pc Inside out full body tracking Eye tracking Face tracking Extra sensors above and on the back of the headset so inside out tracking is as good as outside in tracking
On the "Improved knuckles controllers" part, I'd love them to be tracking like the Cambria ones... :) And add actual multi channel surround audio to that list. VR so far lacks this hard. I want to have at least a rear and front channel per side and some sort of mini subwoofer inside the HMD for bass would be sick, if it's somehow possible to make without causing issues to the HMD or overall experience itself.
Unlike the others, I don't agree. Resident Evil 7 was like I survived the Baker Estate, on a PSVR 1 and PS5, and it was very realistic looking. Blood and Truth was cool af, and the characters almost realistic enough, but not quite, and same with iron man, but more cartoonish, amd each one is a step down. The cartoonish games break immersion worse then stepping on the cord, imo
If Deckard releases I would definitely ditch the Quest tbh. I love the quest and all of the experiences that are available on the platform, it just seems like Valve- with enough time and resources- could come out of the gate with a few good heavy hitters and have a greater variety than what the quest can offer at the moment. But I guess it really just depends when it releases for me rather than if it releases. But QOTW for you or anyone reading this: What genre of game do you feel is lacking within the VR industry right now and what game (PC or XR) would you use as an example to guide where you would want that genre to go in the future?
Best Tuesday Newsday in a long time, glad you took your time with it. It's really good to hear that a lot of companies are teaming up to ensure the metaverse is not dominated by one corporation and Meta's advancements seems like they'll improve the industry as a whole for a change. Also great that more games/updates are coming and the Deckard is finally in the news cycle again.
I remember when VR was literally something I couldn't think up when I was younger. My idea was for a room with a giant 360 curved tv screen hooked up to our Wii so it would feel like I was actually fighting people in Wii Sports Resort
For me , the biggest problem with vr is, ...that u can see the edges of the vr headset while wearing it. U always see that u are wearing a headset. That ruins the experience for me.
I'd love to see Valve do a better Vive Cosmos like modular headset... Hybrid/ optional Lighthouse tracking, and high speed/ quality wireless PCVR. If they could release a solid bare-bones PCVR HMD with modular support for standalone and other stuff, I would buy the "base kit" immediately.
yes. that would be perfect. i have waited years for such a headset. i have had a lenovo explorer for 6 years now, just waiting for something to upgrade to. minus the wireless, i dont need or want that. (adds to cost and weight of the headset) but as you say the bare bones pcvr hmd would be perfect for me. modular so i only pay for what i need.
@@socks2441 Im considering a cheap used HMD to hold me until something hits the market before I sell my soul to Meta. Any suggestions?... Why not Wireless? Big on simulators? Have a sick pulley system? It's a big selling point for me (my house is a bit small, and crowded at times, for VR) but it's not a deal breaker. If PSVR2 gets good Steam VR support, I'll get it. I started with a Quest (2nd preorder wave), well, PSVR actually but I don't really count that as a full 6 dof room scale due to it's 180° tracking. I just built a PC with VR in mind, it's crammed in my room next to my niece TV, so sims only lol. Working on making it more portable so I can move it to other rooms easily- can't stay in one of the bigger rooms due to high traffic of curious little people.
The amount of detail in some VR games is insane. If you put your head inside some of the guns in Pavlov, you can see tiny details like the firing pin and trigger assembly. People who say Quest has bad graphics are wrong. I grew up playing N64 and that console still has some of the best games. Games really only need graphics that are good enough to quickly convey the information they need.
Very excited for these realistic headsets. Hopefully they can some get all of those features compressed and working together all in one headset. Also nice touch at the end with your outro theme 👍
I'm calling 15 years at the latest. They took the original rift and made it acceptable levels of light weight and wireless performance in less than 10 years. I'm hyped for what's to come
Looking forward to hopefully trying Vail vr, pretty hyped for a vr csgo-esque type of game. it's something that hasn't been done yet on this scale either. I really hope it turns out to be as good or better than what I have seen so far. EDIT : I GOT A CODE WHO WANTS TO PLAY
5:08 I love seeing the ultra HDR prototype. I've got myself a teevee that gives me between 700 and 1400 nits depending on how much stuff is on the screen, and I kinda hate going back to anything less. That the Varjo Aero only achieves 150 nits made me wince, even as I see a parade of hardcore VR enthusiasts all saying that it feels like looking at something 'real'. But! It's progress. We'll get there in due time. There is a _LOT_ of hope on the horizon! Thank you for another lovely Tuesday Newsday! ^‿^
i found the meta headset prototype video on tested absolutely awesome, and hearing that the HDR headset uses a second monochrome display (from an LCD 3d printer) and high CRI COB LED backlights (e.g. yuji led), and you've done a watercooled headset before (which the COB LEDs might want too), do you think a DIY HDR headset is a project you might want to try? one colour display with backlight removed laminated on one monochrome display, a fresnel lens to culminate the LEDs, COB LEDs behind, and you're done! alot like a DIY projector as built many times by DIY Perks. you'd have 2 separate display drivers with 2 separate inputs, but clone the display and hey presto! many headsets use 'standard' sized displays so the optics should work for this new display arrangement. le zuck and Norm both said that HDR is probably the most impactful visual enhancement so i can only imagine that you'd love to try this as much as i do! as a proof of concept, 1080p and 2k displays with drivers are dirt cheap. incredibly interesting would be to then add 2 more high PPD mini displays in the centre like the areo (i think), with a total of 4 display inputs. i know they did a lot of magic to blend the transition between the displays, but this theoretically DIYable stack should get you 80% of the way there and could be AMAZING! maybe no longer wearable, but then again, maybe yes. with a watercooling and power source backpack, it could be about as usable as that chonky $100000 headset you tried.
170+hz refresh rate, wide FOV, 4k/eye at least, eye/hand tracking, comfy, wireless PC connection, prefect tracking without base stations, comes with a suite of additional haptic and tracking systems for purchase which are seamlessly integrated with the headset via Steam magic, 5 hours of battery life. I can dream, right?
grate video! as space gamer its good new for no man sky. And i don't know if you folow star citizen or not but they said : that after the transition to the new graphical rederer (gen12 end of 2022) they will implement vulcan and worck on VR integration. witch hype me a lot!!
A next gen valve headset I'd want to be a just straight up upgrade from the index. A decently high end product that prioritizes the comfort and the performance that the user is getting while having few if not any cut corners.
It would be amazing of the Valve Deckard if you could just sign into your Steam account and than install and play your VR games that you bought from your PC or phone. No need to be on the same internet connection or make a Facebook account. Just sign in and play, it would also be amazing for travelling because you can play your PCVR games without being connected to your PC at all. Kind of like the Quest 2's native game library but with Steam.
That would be so hard to do merely due to the fact PCVR games are made for X86 so an ARM based device would need some sort of compatibility layer or native ports made for ARM not to mention mobile graphics tech kinda sucks unless it's prohibitively expensive for the majority of people so most of the games would have to be super nerfed to look as bad as they do on the Quest not to say it would be completely impossible but t would be exceptionally difficult without some secret sauce like their Linux compatibility layer but for ARM compatibility.
@@technewseveryweek8332 No not really Valve just takes a long ass time to make games and abandons projects a lot Facebook has been caught selling peoples data and that's just one of the big controversy things before getting around to saying how they have a strangle hold on the VR industry from buying up any good developers and presumably doesn't let them release anything considering the game drought we're having.
Oh man, Vail VR's character design is so sleek, but theres on thing that sets me off. They still use regular weapons. Would be so cool to see some original weapon designs that fit the style better. Love your work Thrill!
The problem, in my opinion, with moving towards VR looking indistinguishable from reality is that most are focused on building games. I guess its more of a bump in the road. Now im not a game dev, but your telling me they can make Forza games look crazy real but yet the best VR MMO's and VR social hangouts that they can produce thus far is the liking of Minecraft. It just shows where the priorities are to be honest. People need something more than just gaming to want VR and not look like a fricken game. We keep getting closer and closer to mainstream adoption. One day at a time I guess.
There's already a version of this, it's called vivid dreams. Vivid dreams are known for feeling exactly like real life, sometimes more real. You have access to your full range of senses as well, sometimes they're enhanced. Dreams are currently the best version of VR we have
2:45 How it still says "oculus" on the faceplate of the leftmost one there :) - BTW the background music here is good :) 5:53 Holocake? Princess Sunbutt entered the chat. 7:58 Sunbutt's Throne! /) 8:05 Still have to try that, this game genuinely keeps getting better and they don't even charge for it (yet). Absolutely brilliant (not sponsored)! /)^3^(\ 8:22 Can't wait for the improvements, even though I haven't played it yet. Not a huge fan of bad VR implementations and one example of this is Carrier Command 2, which even would be better if I just could play it with the XBone controller while wearing my headset. I actually prefer to play that (great) game in pancake and it's honestly more or less the only pancake game I've ever dumped a lot of hours in since I got my CV1 back in 2019. I wish I could enjoy it as much in Veeeee Orre... 10:39 Can't be an XR3 though, we all know Valve incapable of counting to three.
I think graphics are secondary, if tracking and translating your movements realistically is not working it is killing the fun IF they are doing it ... then you love it ... pretty much close is 1st person tennis ... on the Quest 2 ..., however, there is room for improvement ... ;-)
My dream use case of a Valve Deckard is great front facing stereoscopic cameras and an easy to use software for recording a detailed highest definition 3D model of my dog.
I'd still love if we could get a proper wireless solution for the index. Short of that though, I'd want the deckard to be wireless with an increased FOV, higher clarity, and to have it be a bit easier to get a proper fit so that it doesn't get blurry when you look down due to the headset moving slightly (makes playing into the radius very hard unless you go as tight as physically possible on your head).
I… don't really need that much out of the Deckard (this would be my first headset). Wireless/standalone would rule, but as long as the controllers are more durable than the current Knuckles and the display specs get an appropriate bump to keep up with competition, Valve can take my money.
For the Deckard, I want it to be a system open to modification I want an open SDK (though Steam as the main platform is natural), swappable tracking faceplates, ways to run custom code on an OS level on the device similar to the steam deck. And most standard features. We need a standalone platform that is open to developers and not hostile like the Quest platform.
FINALLY! I have been waiting for a Tuesday Newsday for a few Tuesdays now! I know these videos aren't as grand scale as building the OASIS IRL, but I live for the updates. Incredible as always!
VR SHOULD NOT BE INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM REALITY. I know it sounds like a weird thing to say, but think about it, being there with no clue that nothing happening is real. Like you could spend all of your time wherever not even knowing anything happening around you. edit: just realized 1:55 they are baking it, not backing it. sounds tasty
One of the big things holding back full immersion is haptic/force resistance in all areas, which would require a full exoskeleton. So you can climb a flight of stairs, hang from an overhead object, climb a wall, feel the strain of lifting a heavy object, push up against a wall and not be able to move through it. I would like to see some coverage of future exoskeletons for VR. I remember sometime back there was a company working on it… Axis VR? I can’t remember but I know there are research groups looking at this, and it will be great once this level of immersion is present.. I believe this is an absolute necessity to pass the VR Turing test. Not just a visual test.
Honestly, Variofocal displays are the one thing that needs to happen. Field of view and brightness, for example, don't necessarily need to be overcome, but are nice to have. But current tech with a fixed focal range of 6ft/2m is really what is holding things back. The focus of our eyes is what allows us to perceive objects in three dimensions, which is arguably the most important aspect of VR entirely. It's also one of the bigger pain points of potential eye problems for many people.
*What you think is your Universe, including the human species, is just "Virtual Reality" being displayed in a very small Display Register,* *of "The Processing System of LIFE !*
I'm surprised that no one is working on developing the technology behind the Avegant Glyph, where the image is projected directly onto the retina. Even at the original model's meager 1024×768 resolution, the image clarity is mind blowing. Of course there would be some technical hurdles to clear, but I truly believe that the idea of projecting the image directly onto the retina will eliminate other technical hurdles that are encountered with standard VR tech where we're basically wearing a phone screen on our face.
i'm kinda modest with my VR wishes: basically just more excellent story-driven single-player action-adventure games, including VR-remakes of classics. As a gamer since the early-80's my recent runs through HL:Alyx & RE4-Q2 are pretty up there in all-time favourite games ever, and Thrill of the Fight too! The two things i love about VR-gaming is that you're inside the game, and that physically you're active playing it (standing, turning, crouching, swinging arms etc). The couch-potato aspect of traditional-gaming - planted in a seat or even bed for several hours - just seems like a guilty waste of time now. We only live once x
You know what I think they need to add to VR headsets ability to calibrate the headset like a Monitor Also I wish they added adjustments for people with glasses as a lot of people are short or near sighted which ruins VR
The meta presentation is really cool as far as transparency goes. Those big companies don't do much showing how things are going and future challenges.
What I see rarely mentioned is IPD. I'm "generally oversized" and my IPD is around 72-73mm, but the Index only goes up to 70. That's close enough to not be a dealbreaker (and you can do some fiddling in the config, whatever that actually achieves), but it would be nice to get just a tiny bit more room for adjustment in the Deckard.
Yo NMS VR support is legit enough. Crafting blows on it, and flying is very difficult to master, however just about everything else from menu navigation, character movement, and using tools is very well implemented. It's def my fav VR game of all time, a true masterpiece, and quite possibly my all time favourite game straight up. The fact they even chose to add VR support, completely for free, is absolutely astonishing honestly.
I realized how important wireless is to me after going back to psvr. That ,clarity and fov are my BIGS. If I could only pick 2 tho, clarity and fov all day.
Thank you for processing and condensing VR content to bite size information that I can enjoy during breakfast. You save me hours and hours of time. I also love your bias towards the VR experience itself. You manage well to keep yourself neutral to the tech producers. Much love!
im so glad the holocake looks like its gonna be both lightweight and balanced. as someone who plays a lot of Pavlov the C7 vertebrae injuries people have been getting with the default quest 2 strap have been a huge concern of mine lmao
Question of the week: My dream for the Valve Deckard would be Higher FOV, FBT compatibility, less screen door effect for higher clarity, Standalone/PC VR option, And be able to see PC skins/worlds in VRC.
i cant believe not even 90 years ago we just discovered animation, and now we have managed to accomplish to make something that creates its own reality where we are able to interact with and do anything we want in
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I hope you stream VAIL soon I'm hella excited to play but I also want a key so I can play NOW. ight have a good one
@Moth Moniker Yes, that's a huge one. I thinks that's part of the modelling rather than hardware, though.
when on quest tho
@Moth Moniker Ahh, great point. In other words, they need larger RAM?
Always a good day when tuesday newsday is actually released on a tuesday
It's almost 10pm for me.. so yeah it's on Tuesday but just barely x)
Is it only Tuesday?? FFFFUUUUUUU...
@@aquaticpears3183 ik ima be waiting for stranger things for what feel like forever even if its only friday
What about when it’s early
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I love this series so much. Like i don't remember when i started watching but i just have a better week whenever i watch Tuesday news day.
Same
The fact that Meta was willing to share those headsets suggests to me they have already found a working solution to combine them all and believe they are far enough ahead of others that sharing this info won't put them at a disadvantage.
That, or they've found a way but cost/efficiency is probably too low
Sellout to Suckerboy? STOP!! Carry on.😞😞😞
or they dont care because they have already bought up and closed down all the competition, or are willing to buy up and close down any competition if it arises. facebooks monopolistic practices are well known.
they are a bad company and no one with any sense should support them.
p.s - they are not going to release any high end headsets ever, and will not release any particularly improved mobile headsets for a long time.
same reason half the original oculus staff left when facebook told them to stop working on high end vr and just make mobile devices.
It's also a way to solidify their concepts so other companies don't beat them to the punch and are forced to share their accomplishments bc of leaks
It's so sad to me that everyone is so willingly referring to Facebook as Meta now. Lmao.
Imagine getting flashbanged in a VR game with the Starbust headset on.
I hear ya, Thrill. I got tired of *hearing* about Quest updates these past few weeks.
Fr. I hate meta. I remember audibly saying “Fuck you” when I booted my quest up and I saw the shitty meta logo instead of the beloved oculus logo.
I'm tired of the quest
@@Kuhav0001 it looks like a medical lung lol
I'm only tired of hearing about Quest updates that don't fix the utterly unintuitive UI and all of its shortcomings. I mean, if I just fire up a game I don't see much of that, but they want to go down the productivity route with the cambria - they won't go anywhere with the current Quest UI at all, it's just insanely cumbersome.
I hate monopolies and companies that literally take games away and put it in their store for only themselves.
If you're reading this, the work you've been putting in is going to pay off real soon! Just please don't stop! Keep going 💯🙏🏽!
Damn, thanks bruv
@@ThrillSeekerVR you are the best!
@@ThrillSeekerVR and everyone watching this video is amazing!
Thanks man
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"This is HDTV. It's got better resolution than real life." The FOV is the big one for me.
Thank you! As someone who doesn’t have tunnel vision the black border is super easy to get in the way
I love running up on a squad of people in Pavlov from the side and dropping them all, because they failed to look around lmao
Honestly I just want the Deckcard to be a stand-alone Index with a higher res screen. But It can also be used in the current 2.0 base station system with either inside out tracking or external when in wired/wireless PCVR mode. Preferably it would be able to play high quality PCVR games like HLA while in standalone mode but that might be too big of a wish.
Integrated inside out tracking paired with the option of lighthouse tracking would be pretty huge. I wouldn't expect it to play AAA games like alyx in standalone mode, but I'd hope that they put some serious work into wireless connectivity. No one really wants to be physically tethered to their PC in an ideal world, so hopefully they put a lot of work into a wireless solution that manages to maximise visual fidelity and minimise latency.
@@LyK0sa definitely, high fidelity bit rate and super low latency would be a dream. As for tracking I'd like to see inside out, but also much smaller base stations in the box. I don't know much about base stations, but if you can essentially wear them on your face via inside out (upto 25 feet), why not have smaller systems?? Maybe 1-2 in the box, but 4 would be ideal for flawless tracking? 🤔
I was so excited to try the index. I used it maybe 2 days and returned it because the cable started failing already and mostly I just felt like 1000$ after being out for SO long and new stuff coming seemed a little crazy
@@wjveryzer7985 Yeah Valve's quality control is a bit iffy but I've heard their customer service is fantastic. They'll send you a replacement headset or cable before you even ship your broken one back. But yeah, despite being one of the best current VR headsets, the Index isn't really worth $1000 anymore. There's too many fantastic VR headsets coming out soon.
i get not wanting a facebook headset. but why on earth would you want a standalone headset? you know the steam deck only has a 720p screen, its not great etc. if you have a pc, shouldnt you want valve to continue to cater to its pc market? to stick with high end vr? i suppose each to his own though, at least its not facebook, plus steam/ valve has a pretty good linux type operating system that games quite well these days, so if anyone can do standalone well (apart from facebook) steam can.
i still dont get it though. just for the record.. ;)
Zuck might be a robotic automaton with faulty programming, but seeing him talk about VR really injects some humanity back into him. Nice.
Would love eye/facial tracking on a top of the market headset! definitely expecting Valve to surpass the Index with the new headset, but even if they just met the same standards in every field and added facial/eye tracking, it would be my only headset I use.
For the Deckard I mostly want wireless and continued support for base stations. I have full body and really love the accuracy/range of the stations, so even if for most this isn't the ideal setup, I'd be on board with continued support. That said, I'm sure even if the headset doesn't use them the controllers/trackers will continue if specified.
Oh, and better color/light depth would be awesome. You are very right on the dimness of VR. Games can do a good job of making you forget about it, but it's always an "issue".
My hopes for the Valve Deckard are just that it's an answer to the Quest 2. I don't need it to be better, I don't need it to be cheaper. I am just tired of waiting for a good affordable VR headset that isn't connected to Facebook.
I think that the price point is because they're taking a significant loss on it in order to grab the market. Fingers crossed, obviously, but I also feel that Valve has always targeted the more high-end sector and prefer to be innovators rather than directly compete with other products.
The Pico Neo is basically just a Quest copy if you're looking in that direction, but they're owned by like the Facebook of China, so I don't know if you consider that an improvement.
Agreed. As much as FB is doing wonders for the VR space and advancing technology, I'd absolutely jump ship to Valve if it were even just a Q2 clone. I just absolutely have to have a wireless standalone headset, those are not negotiable features for me.
Agreed. I just want a standalone vr headset that has nothing whatsoever to do with facebook. Had oculus never sold, we’d have already had that. But i guess the money was just too good for them to turn down.
No, that'd be a complete waste of time after waiting 3-5 years if its a tiny upgrade.
We need a much better Index.
Better specs, better FOV.
@@Kumari_44 if oculus had blown up, they'd collect you info and you'd have an oculus account.. this futile crap about other tech companies not doing what Facebook does, when it's the exact thing they all do is asinine...
These must take a ton of work. I don't think like you said that they need to be every week just when there is important news. Really appreciate these!
One thing I outright *expect* Valve's new headset to have is eye tracking, thus allowing games to use multi-resolution rendering--i.e. 4k wherever you are looking right down to 240p at the edges of your peripheral vision. That should *DRASTICALLY* increase graphics performance and/or efficiency without players even being able to tell.
quest is so much better
For me personally, at this stage of vr progress, I want ONLY increased fov and increased resolution. I will ONLY pay more (and considerably more - up to triple) if these two are significantly improved. And If it needs two XR2 processors to handle those extra pixels - well that should be doable with triple the budget.
and oled
5:43 I have definitely noticed this. VR does feel pretty dim when you are in it, and I find myself noticing and missing the distinct lack of brightness while in VR. In particular though, I have noticed that this mostly just makes me tired if I am not doing something active in VR, because it is so dim that my brain seems to associate it with night and sleep, even in a scene designed to look like it is outdoors and bright
To me that's interesting because I actually normally turn *down* the brightness in mine. Sudden bright lights were blinding.
@@chrisc1140 Perhaps that could be due to a result of phantom sense. You see what looks like it *should* be a bright light based on the level of bloom, the lightsource, and your expectations, so your body reacts as if it is bright, even when it isn't
@@adicsbtw Nah. Don't have any other phantom sense so that seems unlikely. Shit just be bright sometimes. Can also take the headset off (like going to the bathroom or something) and see very bright light coming out of it if it's pointed at something bright.
Maybe just a difference between the pimax and other headsets? I don't remember the Odyssey WMR I had first being noticeably dim, but I didn't have to turn the brightness DOWN on it either.
@@chrisc1140 From what I can tell it seems like pimax headsets are about standard in terms of brightness. Also, phantom sense varies wildly from person to person, and having one part of phantom sense in no way means you will have other any of the other parts. For me I don't notice an issue with things being too bright in VR most of the time, but I can focus on it and sorta convince myself that what I am looking at is bright, and then perceive it as being brighter than it really is. For me, activating that response is similar to how I can activate other phantom sense responses, which is why I suspect it could be a form of phantom sense that just isn't talked about much because of how subtle it is
My two of the five would be Clarity and Comfort. Unless my Quest 2 headset is positioned just right, everything is completely blurry. And the heat coming from the headset for prolonged usage (+20 minutes) starts to give me a massive headache.
hey dude. could you please share a link to the $99 quest 2 colour passthrough news you mentioned recently? try as i might, i can't find anything on it anywhere.
a Tuesday news day is the perfect video to end my night on! keep up the stellar content
QotW: How much do you think the Deckard would cost or how much it *should* cost? Also why do you upload in 24-30fps?
Valve Deckard wishlist:
4k per eye
At least 130° fov
Hand tracking
Improved knuckles controllers
Wireless
Pc and standalone modes but when in pc mode doesn't run off the battery like the quest so it won't ever die while playing on pc
Inside out full body tracking
Eye tracking
Face tracking
Extra sensors above and on the back of the headset so inside out tracking is as good as outside in tracking
On the "Improved knuckles controllers" part, I'd love them to be tracking like the Cambria ones... :)
And add actual multi channel surround audio to that list. VR so far lacks this hard. I want to have at least a rear and front channel per side and some sort of mini subwoofer inside the HMD for bass would be sick, if it's somehow possible to make without causing issues to the HMD or overall experience itself.
Wait..... There are AAA vr games that aren't just lazy ports? WHERE THEY AT!?
VR doesn't have to look real, it just has to *feel* real.
A good 2D game can feel more real than a bad 3D one.
This is 100% correct
I completely agree
Thank you!!! TOP TIER COMMENT
Unlike the others, I don't agree. Resident Evil 7 was like I survived the Baker Estate, on a PSVR 1 and PS5, and it was very realistic looking. Blood and Truth was cool af, and the characters almost realistic enough, but not quite, and same with iron man, but more cartoonish, amd each one is a step down. The cartoonish games break immersion worse then stepping on the cord, imo
I'm a bit sick today, but TN always makes me better!
Thank you Thrill!
Same
I gotta say it. The edit time that must go into this is insane Thrill. Your content is incredible.
If Deckard releases I would definitely ditch the Quest tbh. I love the quest and all of the experiences that are available on the platform, it just seems like Valve- with enough time and resources- could come out of the gate with a few good heavy hitters and have a greater variety than what the quest can offer at the moment. But I guess it really just depends when it releases for me rather than if it releases.
But QOTW for you or anyone reading this: What genre of game do you feel is lacking within the VR industry right now and what game (PC or XR) would you use as an example to guide where you would want that genre to go in the future?
also no facebook is nice
Best Tuesday Newsday in a long time, glad you took your time with it. It's really good to hear that a lot of companies are teaming up to ensure the metaverse is not dominated by one corporation and Meta's advancements seems like they'll improve the industry as a whole for a change. Also great that more games/updates are coming and the Deckard is finally in the news cycle again.
I remember when VR was literally something I couldn't think up when I was younger. My idea was for a room with a giant 360 curved tv screen hooked up to our Wii so it would feel like I was actually fighting people in Wii Sports Resort
People definitely underestimate the impact light will have
For me , the biggest problem with vr is, ...that u can see the edges of the vr headset while wearing it. U always see that u are wearing a headset. That ruins the experience for me.
I'd love to see Valve do a better Vive Cosmos like modular headset... Hybrid/ optional Lighthouse tracking, and high speed/ quality wireless PCVR. If they could release a solid bare-bones PCVR HMD with modular support for standalone and other stuff, I would buy the "base kit" immediately.
yes. that would be perfect. i have waited years for such a headset. i have had a lenovo explorer for 6 years now, just waiting for something to upgrade to.
minus the wireless, i dont need or want that. (adds to cost and weight of the headset) but as you say the bare bones pcvr hmd would be perfect for me. modular so i only pay for what i need.
@@socks2441 Im considering a cheap used HMD to hold me until something hits the market before I sell my soul to Meta. Any suggestions?...
Why not Wireless? Big on simulators? Have a sick pulley system? It's a big selling point for me (my house is a bit small, and crowded at times, for VR) but it's not a deal breaker. If PSVR2 gets good Steam VR support, I'll get it. I started with a Quest (2nd preorder wave), well, PSVR actually but I don't really count that as a full 6 dof room scale due to it's 180° tracking. I just built a PC with VR in mind, it's crammed in my room next to my niece TV, so sims only lol. Working on making it more portable so I can move it to other rooms easily- can't stay in one of the bigger rooms due to high traffic of curious little people.
The amount of detail in some VR games is insane. If you put your head inside some of the guns in Pavlov, you can see tiny details like the firing pin and trigger assembly. People who say Quest has bad graphics are wrong. I grew up playing N64 and that console still has some of the best games. Games really only need graphics that are good enough to quickly convey the information they need.
Very excited for these realistic headsets. Hopefully they can some get all of those features compressed and working together all in one headset. Also nice touch at the end with your outro theme 👍
I'm calling 15 years at the latest. They took the original rift and made it acceptable levels of light weight and wireless performance in less than 10 years. I'm hyped for what's to come
Will you be streaming on twitch again anytime soon? If not don't feel pressured. I was just wondereing. ;)
Looking forward to hopefully trying Vail vr, pretty hyped for a vr csgo-esque type of game. it's something that hasn't been done yet on this scale either. I really hope it turns out to be as good or better than what I have seen so far. EDIT : I GOT A CODE WHO WANTS TO PLAY
pavLWHO?
5:08 I love seeing the ultra HDR prototype. I've got myself a teevee that gives me between 700 and 1400 nits depending on how much stuff is on the screen, and I kinda hate going back to anything less. That the Varjo Aero only achieves 150 nits made me wince, even as I see a parade of hardcore VR enthusiasts all saying that it feels like looking at something 'real'.
But! It's progress. We'll get there in due time. There is a _LOT_ of hope on the horizon!
Thank you for another lovely Tuesday Newsday! ^‿^
i found the meta headset prototype video on tested absolutely awesome, and hearing that the HDR headset uses a second monochrome display (from an LCD 3d printer) and high CRI COB LED backlights (e.g. yuji led), and you've done a watercooled headset before (which the COB LEDs might want too), do you think a DIY HDR headset is a project you might want to try?
one colour display with backlight removed laminated on one monochrome display, a fresnel lens to culminate the LEDs, COB LEDs behind, and you're done! alot like a DIY projector as built many times by DIY Perks. you'd have 2 separate display drivers with 2 separate inputs, but clone the display and hey presto!
many headsets use 'standard' sized displays so the optics should work for this new display arrangement. le zuck and Norm both said that HDR is probably the most impactful visual enhancement so i can only imagine that you'd love to try this as much as i do!
as a proof of concept, 1080p and 2k displays with drivers are dirt cheap. incredibly interesting would be to then add 2 more high PPD mini displays in the centre like the areo (i think), with a total of 4 display inputs. i know they did a lot of magic to blend the transition between the displays, but this theoretically DIYable stack should get you 80% of the way there and could be AMAZING!
maybe no longer wearable, but then again, maybe yes. with a watercooling and power source backpack, it could be about as usable as that chonky $100000 headset you tried.
170+hz refresh rate, wide FOV, 4k/eye at least, eye/hand tracking, comfy, wireless PC connection, prefect tracking without base stations, comes with a suite of additional haptic and tracking systems for purchase which are seamlessly integrated with the headset via Steam magic, 5 hours of battery life. I can dream, right?
Probably will happen sometime later on. Maybe within 5 to 10 years
this was damn interesting
I hope in the next 5 years we will get something similar adding all these solutions that Meta made in one VR HMD
I think that once cloud computing improves, VR/AR adoption will increase exponentially since the headsets could be so much smaller and lighter.
Whatever you make as long as your having fun Thrill I feel like most people would watch it, I know I will.
grate video! as space gamer its good new for no man sky.
And i don't know if you folow star citizen or not but they said :
that after the transition to the new graphical rederer (gen12 end of 2022) they will implement vulcan and worck on VR integration.
witch hype me a lot!!
Had an interest in the prototypes then lost interest knowing that they're being developed by Meta lmao
hate meta all you want you gotta admit they are making strides for vr
@@DedRucktheDuck isn't the reason why the oculus quest even exists basically because of john carmack
@@gorbonfree8245 well he does work at meta
@@slopedarmor yeah but didn't he contribute a shit ton to the actual development of the headset
meta is really the only company pushing VR technology forward by creating whole new hardware from scratch
A next gen valve headset I'd want to be a just straight up upgrade from the index. A decently high end product that prioritizes the comfort and the performance that the user is getting while having few if not any cut corners.
honestly, if they just upped the display resolution and made the controllers more durable, they'd have me sold
It would be amazing of the Valve Deckard if you could just sign into your Steam account and than install and play your VR games that you bought from your PC or phone. No need to be on the same internet connection or make a Facebook account. Just sign in and play, it would also be amazing for travelling because you can play your PCVR games without being connected to your PC at all. Kind of like the Quest 2's native game library but with Steam.
That would be so hard to do merely due to the fact PCVR games are made for X86 so an ARM based device would need some sort of compatibility layer or native ports made for ARM not to mention mobile graphics tech kinda sucks unless it's prohibitively expensive for the majority of people so most of the games would have to be super nerfed to look as bad as they do on the Quest not to say it would be completely impossible but t would be exceptionally difficult without some secret sauce like their Linux compatibility layer but for ARM compatibility.
Facebook account vs Steam account is the exact same thing
@@technewseveryweek8332 No not really Valve just takes a long ass time to make games and abandons projects a lot Facebook has been caught selling peoples data and that's just one of the big controversy things before getting around to saying how they have a strangle hold on the VR industry from buying up any good developers and presumably doesn't let them release anything considering the game drought we're having.
Welcome back thrill! Hope your break was relaxing and productive. Love to have you back
I'm always very excited when you upload a new vid cuz I got a quest 2 recently because of your videos promoting VR :D keep it up 👍
Oh man, Vail VR's character design is so sleek, but theres on thing that sets me off. They still use regular weapons. Would be so cool to see some original weapon designs that fit the style better. Love your work Thrill!
"BETTER than Real Life"?!?! Would be nice if they could just make their VR games look as good as they did on PC 5 years ago 🤣
LOL
truth hurts
TRYING to make*
@@gamerx2.079 what do you mean exactly?
@@JoinUsInVR they're trying to make vr beyyer than real life
1:52 it’s Baking, not Backing. Keep up the great work though!
Meta should get people to actually have legs before starting with such great ambitions
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The problem, in my opinion, with moving towards VR looking indistinguishable from reality is that most are focused on building games. I guess its more of a bump in the road. Now im not a game dev, but your telling me they can make Forza games look crazy real but yet the best VR MMO's and VR social hangouts that they can produce thus far is the liking of Minecraft. It just shows where the priorities are to be honest. People need something more than just gaming to want VR and not look like a fricken game.
We keep getting closer and closer to mainstream adoption. One day at a time I guess.
Hey thrill,I really appreciate the content you make. Vr has changed my life and your channel is one of my favorites
I am the first to respond here
Good recap!
I'm glad there's progress, but they're not pushing higher FOV.
No progress has been made there. We need to reach 165° or higher
There's already a version of this, it's called vivid dreams.
Vivid dreams are known for feeling exactly like real life, sometimes more real. You have access to your full range of senses as well, sometimes they're enhanced. Dreams are currently the best version of VR we have
yeah but you need to sleep and have a good sleep schedule which most people dont have. including me.
Yeah, just gotta learn to lucid dream first.
2:45 How it still says "oculus" on the faceplate of the leftmost one there :) - BTW the background music here is good :)
5:53 Holocake? Princess Sunbutt entered the chat.
7:58 Sunbutt's Throne! /)
8:05 Still have to try that, this game genuinely keeps getting better and they don't even charge for it (yet). Absolutely brilliant (not sponsored)! /)^3^(\
8:22 Can't wait for the improvements, even though I haven't played it yet. Not a huge fan of bad VR implementations and one example of this is Carrier Command 2, which even would be better if I just could play it with the XBone controller while wearing my headset. I actually prefer to play that (great) game in pancake and it's honestly more or less the only pancake game I've ever dumped a lot of hours in since I got my CV1 back in 2019. I wish I could enjoy it as much in Veeeee Orre...
10:39 Can't be an XR3 though, we all know Valve incapable of counting to three.
Waiting for the timestamps
I think graphics are secondary, if tracking and translating your movements realistically is not working it is killing the fun
IF they are doing it ... then you love it ... pretty much close is 1st person tennis ... on the Quest 2 ..., however, there is room for improvement ... ;-)
Man VR will never replace real life, VR is nice but not perfect, far from it, remeber to touch grass today bros!
Yeah!
VR is not a replacement of reality for sure 👍
Agree! 🌱
Does anyone know the song used in the outro? I would greatly appreciate it.
Kakashi Sensi Talks VR... should be your second channel! I swear that is who you remind me of! Very Cool as always!
My dream use case of a Valve Deckard is great front facing stereoscopic cameras and an easy to use software for recording a detailed highest definition 3D model of my dog.
All the Valve Deckard needs to sell it to me is two things:
1. HDR
2. Wireless
Ditto.
and:
3. competitive price tag (~
Been waiting for another of these! ❤️
I'd still love if we could get a proper wireless solution for the index. Short of that though, I'd want the deckard to be wireless with an increased FOV, higher clarity, and to have it be a bit easier to get a proper fit so that it doesn't get blurry when you look down due to the headset moving slightly (makes playing into the radius very hard unless you go as tight as physically possible on your head).
1:52
Baking, not backing. Like baking muffins, you muffin
Awesome summary, thanks for keeping us informed
I… don't really need that much out of the Deckard (this would be my first headset). Wireless/standalone would rule, but as long as the controllers are more durable than the current Knuckles and the display specs get an appropriate bump to keep up with competition, Valve can take my money.
For the Deckard, I want it to be a system open to modification
I want an open SDK (though Steam as the main platform is natural), swappable tracking faceplates, ways to run custom code on an OS level on the device similar to the steam deck. And most standard features. We need a standalone platform that is open to developers and not hostile like the Quest platform.
FINALLY! I have been waiting for a Tuesday Newsday for a few Tuesdays now! I know these videos aren't as grand scale as building the OASIS IRL, but I live for the updates. Incredible as always!
VR SHOULD NOT BE INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM REALITY. I know it sounds like a weird thing to say, but think about it, being there with no clue that nothing happening is real. Like you could spend all of your time wherever not even knowing anything happening around you.
edit: just realized 1:55 they are baking it, not backing it. sounds tasty
One of the big things holding back full immersion is haptic/force resistance in all areas, which would require a full exoskeleton. So you can climb a flight of stairs, hang from an overhead object, climb a wall, feel the strain of lifting a heavy object, push up against a wall and not be able to move through it. I would like to see some coverage of future exoskeletons for VR. I remember sometime back there was a company working on it… Axis VR? I can’t remember but I know there are research groups looking at this, and it will be great once this level of immersion is present.. I believe this is an absolute necessity to pass the VR Turing test. Not just a visual test.
I dubbled my love for VR when I started watching your videos
nice to have a TN full of exciting content during what seems to be a VR dry spell. love it :-)
Just talking about this with a friend and saw you uploaded it!
I missed Tuesday Newsday as well! Much LOVE from Hungary!
Honestly, Variofocal displays are the one thing that needs to happen. Field of view and brightness, for example, don't necessarily need to be overcome, but are nice to have. But current tech with a fixed focal range of 6ft/2m is really what is holding things back. The focus of our eyes is what allows us to perceive objects in three dimensions, which is arguably the most important aspect of VR entirely. It's also one of the bigger pain points of potential eye problems for many people.
I used to think nothing good ever happened on a tuesday, and then I discovered your channel.
*What you think is your Universe, including the human species, is just "Virtual Reality" being displayed in a very small Display Register,*
*of "The Processing System of LIFE !*
I feel like the varying focal distance prototype headset was the coolest. It’d make a lot of VR shooters way more realistic and challenging (fun)!
for a must have vr headset I want Light Field Displays(Varifocal but better), HDR1000, Eye Tracking, High Resolution panels, and Wireless
I'm surprised that no one is working on developing the technology behind the Avegant Glyph, where the image is projected directly onto the retina. Even at the original model's meager 1024×768 resolution, the image clarity is mind blowing. Of course there would be some technical hurdles to clear, but I truly believe that the idea of projecting the image directly onto the retina will eliminate other technical hurdles that are encountered with standard VR tech where we're basically wearing a phone screen on our face.
i'm kinda modest with my VR wishes: basically just more excellent story-driven single-player action-adventure games, including VR-remakes of classics. As a gamer since the early-80's my recent runs through HL:Alyx & RE4-Q2 are pretty up there in all-time favourite games ever, and Thrill of the Fight too! The two things i love about VR-gaming is that you're inside the game, and that physically you're active playing it (standing, turning, crouching, swinging arms etc). The couch-potato aspect of traditional-gaming - planted in a seat or even bed for several hours - just seems like a guilty waste of time now.
We only live once x
You know what I think they need to add to VR headsets ability to calibrate the headset like a Monitor
Also I wish they added adjustments for people with glasses as a lot of people are short or near sighted which ruins VR
The meta presentation is really cool as far as transparency goes. Those big companies don't do much showing how things are going and future challenges.
My Steam Deck is coming this weekend! Finally. I'm definitely jumping on whatever the Deckard gets released as.
What I see rarely mentioned is IPD. I'm "generally oversized" and my IPD is around 72-73mm, but the Index only goes up to 70. That's close enough to not be a dealbreaker (and you can do some fiddling in the config, whatever that actually achieves), but it would be nice to get just a tiny bit more room for adjustment in the Deckard.
Are the images blurry like this and so pixelated or is it more in the photo? 4:28 in quest2
Yo NMS VR support is legit enough. Crafting blows on it, and flying is very difficult to master, however just about everything else from menu navigation, character movement, and using tools is very well implemented. It's def my fav VR game of all time, a true masterpiece, and quite possibly my all time favourite game straight up. The fact they even chose to add VR support, completely for free, is absolutely astonishing honestly.
I realized how important wireless is to me after going back to psvr. That ,clarity and fov are my BIGS. If I could only pick 2 tho, clarity and fov all day.
I want wide fov, ability for use without glasses and compatibility with the steam deck
Thank you for processing and condensing VR content to bite size information that I can enjoy during breakfast. You save me hours and hours of time. I also love your bias towards the VR experience itself. You manage well to keep yourself neutral to the tech producers. Much love!
Thank you for your passion, Thrill. It's infectious and inspiring. I've been watching the channel since your first video.
im so glad the holocake looks like its gonna be both lightweight and balanced. as someone who plays a lot of Pavlov the C7 vertebrae injuries people have been getting with the default quest 2 strap have been a huge concern of mine lmao
dude your videos are so high quality! i wish only the best!
I would love HP Reverb 2 to get an update. I love the resolution, but the wires are annoying and the sweet spot isn't big enough.
Will Vail Be on Quest sometime in the Near or distant future?
Question of the week: My dream for the Valve Deckard would be Higher FOV, FBT compatibility, less screen door effect for higher clarity, Standalone/PC VR option, And be able to see PC skins/worlds in VRC.
So you want a cheaper version of the Pimax 12k? Me too 😀d
i cant believe not even 90 years ago we just discovered animation, and now we have managed to accomplish to make something that creates its own reality where we are able to interact with and do anything we want in
Great as always! What was the song playing in the background near the end? Before the outro?