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Hey, so I REALLY want to buy it, but kick starter says that there’s a chance you may not get one? Is that just a generalization for every kickstarter? Or is that a serious risk.
It's fantastic, you did an amazing job. One thing I'd like to see change with it though is the position it holds the user. I noticed that you almost have to walk at a heavy slant, like it's holding you back rather than supporting you upright. Other than that, it looks great and like a lot of fun!
Tbh i think having to actually walk to move in the game - considering the amount of walking in, like, all games - this could be an absolutely incredible form of exercise
What I love the most is imagining how long would it take to finish a solo game that requires you to move to many different places, like Horizon Zero Dawn. I would love to see myself walking fake 20km a day just to get a couple quests done. Perhaps one day.
yeah. this makes exercising so much more fun and interesting. i cant wait until like 10 years from now when we will _(hopefully)_ have full haptic where you can feel pain, have your fingers get restrained when you pick things up, higher quality headsets, stuff like that.
@Nicnicnicolas89 That's not entirely true. I have a condition that makes it dangerous for me to work out, but something really low impact like this that's actually supporting me a little bit can actually get me able to work out.
For the future of competitive vr games, I think the simplest solution would be to make the use of omnidirectional treadmills detectable by the game so it can send you to servers full of other people using them. Basically, like how PC and console players are often divided. Only problem is that the player bases are probably small enough as it is that you wouldn’t want to do that yet. Maybe in a decade or so.
Personally I'm more a fan of the idea of not using VR treadmills at all and instead using room scale VR and giant arenas I had the idea of basically making a 1-1 scale pavlov map thats the exact size of a football field with different environments to fight in that you could select like the holo deck or X-Men style danger room lol. Basically anyone with access to a football field could have a arena scale tournament with their friends running around the field. I always felt omnidirectional treadmills would be more for people who don't have access to Big spaces like that but still want to be able to Sprint around
There is a visual technique that makes you walk in infinite circles instead of cardinaly. If that is integrated into VR game map design, we could do away with treadmills. VR motion sickness is also alleviated with the technique as you body actually cannot tell you are walking in circles.
@@davisbradford7438 can you explain more about this. I often walk the perimeter of my room and turn the world the opposite direction when i hit the physical corner of my room. is this what you mean? I dont get motion sick doing this but after a few minutes it gives me a headache. However I did a full playthrough of Half Life Alyx like this is it was realy incredible. just had to take a lot of breaks
@@Aycheffe It's called redirected walking. It needs to be designed into a game by the developer and you need decent position tracking in a play space for it to work well.
This is a MAJOR improvement. Not _quite_ where I want it to be, but it is really close. One, maybe two more iterations and they'll be earning my business.
@@ben_ovr9230 It's still fundamentally a slide mill. There's a startup called Freeaim VR that is working on VR shoes that involve actual walking, and there is this other engineer called Finally Functional making his own shoes and treadmills. I'm personally waiting to see what Freeaim VR announces.
@@NextGenVR wow! that tech is so interesting. Thank you for making me aware of it. I don't see running in those being a thing in those anytime soon... but I love the portability. The one thing all these different devices have in common is a Return To Center. How they do it is different but the goal is the same. Even the expensive true omni directional treadmills have issues like the delay when you stop walking but the treadmill keeps going even for a split second. The one thing I noticed in the KatVR's recent gameplay videos is the guy is standing erect and putting his foot forward toward the front edge and letting his foot slide back to center. Thrillseeker and others on the earlier Katwalk C like Nathie and VoodooVR are leaning, starting with their foot in the center then pushing it back. I don't know how difficult it is to do it how KatVR are showing on these videos but it looks to make a huge difference in realistic movement and way less strenuous. I guess I will soon find out.
Based on Thrills posture, I'm still worried about potential long term effects of taking such short, unnatural steps or slides. I know as users its our responsibility to take breaks but I don't want to feel I have to compensate 1hr of VR walking with 1hr of RL walking to make I don't negatively affect my body. Hoping for it to develop a little further before
I can't wait for the later years of VR, when everything is the latest version and this is called old. The haptic gloves, the suit, and now the slidemill. We are turning reality into ready player one. Amazing what technology is capable of.
@@shaitand69 It feels like direct neural interfacing would probably result in people becoming addicted to VR to the extent that they forget what reality is. Idk, maybe that’s just my brain rambling. Either way, sometimes a layer of abstraction between you and the world is better, Like Turn based games and arcade shooters.I don’t think VR can ever truly take over gaming, but it could definitely become much MUCH bigger than it is today. I just think neural interfacing for it is a bad idea.
@@jackmoseley4959 That seems like something for the user to decide. People might choose to spend more time in virtual reality but how is that different than TV or sitting at a PC, with your nose buried in a phone or any of a thousand artificial experiences in meat space that humans create to entertain themselves? By that reasoning we should all be struggling for survival in the jungles instead of living in our completely artificial human created superficial world with police, firemen, ambulances and animal services. Don't blame the tool for how people choose to use it or choose for them by nerfing the tools you make available. That is the dark side.
It's really interesting how the things that seem to add the tiniest bit of immersion (fbt, this catvr slidemill, finger tracking on the valve index controllers) often makes almost a world of difference in the way one feels about vr as a whole.
the future of vr technology is looking so bright! It'll be awesome if we get ready player one level or tech on day, just hopefully without all the other bad stuff that was in that book...
@@derpythean-comdoge8608 Especially big tech. They have a monopoly, they don't even really care about the consumers. They only care if they get sponsors, smh
Best part is, you never have to worry about hitting a wall with your controllers again. You can play Blade and Sorcery, Thrill of the Fight etc and swing to your hearts content without ever worrying about breaking your tv, or wall, or controllers. You could just go crazy on those NPCs, lol
That's why I bought the original Kat Walk but unfortunately any true melee based game just feels incredibly clunky when you can't physically lunge in with a jab and it overall hurt my immersion and will to play those games. Stick to RPGs and exploration games like Skyrim or No Man's Sky. I will say however it was incredible to play Payday 2 on it, until I tried to play Heat Street. I ended up redecorating my entire apartment so I could have both open space for Blade and Sorcery + the Kat Walk to play Skyrim.
@@friendlyelites Yknow, I originally wanted to do my mechanical engineering capstone project on building a force feedback arm rig for melee combat in VR games (and any simulation purpose). Really sad my team ended up going with a different idea.
This kind of stuff is going to be key for generations going forward, heart disease is still a pretty big issue that plagues a lot of the world and with gaming culture continuing to go more mainstream platforms like this can really bridge the gap for gamers to have healthier lifestyles while still being in the comfort of their own home. If anyone over 130kg/287lbs is struggling to find motivation to lose weight - I think losing weight to start using this device (or these devices) might be worth it in the long run. Pricewise I get it's a little expensive but considering the good 'gym' style treadmills are normally like over $1500-$2000 it's not that terrible in comparison.
"In the long run" No pun intended? But I agree. I'm about 35 lbs under the limit and tbh I would consider getting one of these to be pretty valid to be even further under that limit. I mean VR has helped me lose a pretty good amount of weight given my genetics. And I don't exactly have the self esteem to be able to be outside or in a gym working out in front of other people... very few people look cool exercising in real life and no one looks cool exercising in VR to the people watching them but INSIDE VR we are all badass Jedi so... that solves that problem for me personally.
@@marievignolo5449 you may think that people are staring at you at the gym but I can assure you everybody is not staring at you. If anything they are thinking good for you man. You’d be surprised about the positive vibes in a gym as opposed to people thinking negatively about your decisions. One of those things where it’s in your head worse than reality.
When I was in uni and got to work in the movement lab, there was this huge Omni directional treadmill there for research, then I dreamed the same thing. I always loved gaming and sporting, with beatsaber we got the upper half moving, now another step to get the lower half working. In 10 years, the amount of back pathology that will disappear in gaming because of this is gonna be unreal. Fysiotherapeut speaking here, but I always dreamed of making Esport worth the titel. We are getting close man, happy to slide along side you 😄
I think the best device for VR would basically be an exo-skeleton mounted on a robot arm that you strap into. The exo-skeleton stops the motion of your limbs the moment they wouldn't be able to move in the game and applies some force to you as feedback. So when you run the device would stop your feet the moment your feet touch the ground in the digital world. The robot arm would be to simulate your orientation in the digital world. Like if you do a flip. Your real strength and fitness wouldn't necessarily matter in the digital world bearing exceptions. It'd be augmented by the machine you are strapped to. So you would be able to flip all you want. Swimming in the digital world would be a little more bearable on your body as well. And it wouldn't have the problems of modern mobile exoskeletons when it comes to power. Because you don't need an onboard battery. We already have the technology for something like this. It just needs to be made. Even if it would be very expensive at first I can see VR Arcades opening up with many of these so people will just have to pay for their time on their machines instead of buying one.
i truly think this is the direction the VR industry is headed, the fact these already can be purchased (even though it will be as much as your valve index) is a massive leap in the right direction for this kind of future in VR
I'm not so sure personally. There's still going to be huge amounts of people who can't justify the cost and also don't have anywhere to put it. I'm one of them, I have just enough room for room scale after moving some furniture when I want to play but there's no way I could fit one of these in the room. There's something about mobility and space requirement that's going to keep thumbsticks in vr forever. That much stationary equipment also goes against the design goal of the quest 2.
@@Woogoo336 Its not that big i live in a small apartment and can dedicate some room for that if I really wanted this. Also things are getting cheaper, when VR first released it was 1k-2k, now you can get a quest for 200-500 bucks depending on where you go. I mean a quest 2, its worth it for entry level vr
I think Omni directional devices are the future of vr once the technology gets there and I think they will be portable or at least made to where they can be readily folded up for storage or moving
Every time I add a vr accessory, I love it. From gun stock to racing wheel to moving seat. The more realistic it gets, the worse I am but the more fun I have
I'd love to play Onward and other shooters with it. even if it makes me worse due to it being harder, but I don't care. hopefully, slidemills or something better will become a common house hold item soon so more games can be made with these in mind
Just think about how much more fulfilling winning that battle would feel if you actually had to physically run head first into it, running between cover etc.
I got so amazed when watching ready player one when seeing all the gear they had, the Omni directional treadmills the motion senser suits gloves that track your hand movement and combined with the amazing graphics the oasis had I feel like if I was playing that it would truly feel like I’m in another world and that’s why seeing stuff like this just makes me more exited to the world of ready player one getting closer to the real world
I just wanted to say thank you, for everything. I bought a quest 2 and, by far, this was the best purchase I've made in the last few years. It is scary how much I enjoy it, and I can't believe I didn't get one earlier. I had tried mobile vr before, I thought I knew what vr was, oh boy, I was truly wrong. My whole family was baffled by how intuitive and immersive using a vr headset really is. Additionally, I am extremely happy I went for a quest instead of any other headset. Air link works surprisingly well, I love the fact I don't need any cables and I can play anything my pc can run while in a whole other room. (I understand this video has nothing to do with the quest, but since this is the latest video I suppose there's a higher chance thrill will see it.)
Hey Thrill, just wanna say thanks for fueling my interest for vr for the past few years. Every time I start losing interest in vr or start drifting away from it, you talk about a new exciting thing in the vr industry and it captivates me. Keep doing what you’re doing!
this would be great exercise especially playing huge games that require lots of walking and sometimes swimming. this might just be a new way to game and exercise at the same time and honestly i love it
Bro I can’t wait until we pretty much master this technology. What we could see in my lifetime are VR restaurants/VR vacation destinations. “Want the environment and amenities of far off 5 star resort at a 3 star price? Come to Day Dreamer’s Resort.” “Looking to take a break from work but have a deadline coming up next weekend? Spend a day at Day Dreamer’s resort where we’ll put your mind at ease. This season our Cheffs are well versed in the exotic foods of far off planets that are sure to send your tongue’s sensors too the moon and back! Need some “Special Treatment” come to one of our Nevada branches where everyone feels like a mile high in the sky and wants to join our club. Our special temperature controlled rooms will match the climate of your designation. If you decide to match up with one of our special buddy guides, you can also attend our more daring attractions! We look forward to seeing you in the Day Dreamer’s paradise.”
Now I really want one, as someone who just likes walking place. I've hiked on mountains, islands, cities and forests, but I can just imagine all the places I could walk with a lot fewer downsides. But doubling the value of my vr setup is a bit much, but maybe I'll save up for the future. Hopefully by then it's also a bit cheaper
I really hope in 5-10 years we start seeing full VR setups on the market. A powerful 'base station', probably with extremely fast GHz dedicated connections, and sensors to put in the corners of whatever rooms you want, with those costing 25-50 USD apiece. Coming with omni-directional treadmill optional, plus full body tracking through either a suit, or AI-driven real-time video analysis. Given the performance Console creators can squeeze out of hardware to cut costs, I'd love to see what dedicated hardware and software together can do! If they can sell these at MSRP of 5k or less, then people are going to be okay with living in really, *really* cramped apartments soon. Imagine being able to explore the entire world from a 1.5 meter square.
this would be a useful tool for schools they can go on virtual school trips to anywhere in the world for a particular lesson like for history they could go to museums and that
Trust me i rlly want one. I’m a big vr enthusiast. I’m just scared to buy one, then. A better cheaper version comes out. I just want to wait for the right one, at the right price. I love the idea. Thanks for the constant vids. Much love thrill
Yeah that’s totally fair. It’s a big purchase and you wanna make sure you actually use it. I feel this is a pretty fair ask as long as you make yourself use it. The next big level of consumer ODTs likely won’t be a thing for a couple years
I had that problem then I decided to buy a quest 1 then the quest 2 came out (now I am just planning to collect them all like people do with PlayStation's and Xboxes)
If you have a wireless headset, until then you can use a climbing harness on a swivel mount and either vive trackers with NaLo, or Kat Loco S. Its not as good, but way cheaper. And you can swim in that setup too.
Been waiting for this video since I backed the C 2+. Thank you for putting this video out, answered all of my questions, and I am looking forward to my Slidemill more than ever!
It’ll be cool when some standard features for things like these are built right into game engines The one that stands out most to me is finely controlling your character’s speed based on your own so it’s always 1:1, instead of being locked into the walk or sprint speeds of the game
Another would be to, just like stated in the video, give interesting travel options. Like will you pay or use something to travel or simply walk, I think it is an interesting concept to give more depth to traveling in game.
The shoes are getting to a point where they could just be a thing that straps on to normal shoes. All the electronics are on the bottom, so the hard part would be attaching it stably.
I like the idea of playing competitive games where everyone uses one of these. Each of these could have a digital key of some sort built into them, that game modes could require, letting it know you were using the Treadmill.
Cool idea but like others have said lobbies would be empty. All of the companies are moving towards cross play which is amazing. I love being able to have a full lobby on a game 10 years old because we have pc, Xbox and Playstation players.. same concept they wouldn't separate them because it'd just be lobbies full of bots. It's a niche item.
For QOTW Hey thrill awesome vid keep up the great content! My QOTW is do u think I should by a project cambria when it comes out or just buy a quest 2 right now. Note I do want to do some work in vr I think that's cool but I also would focus on entertainment. What do you think I should do?
How can he answer that when the Cambria isn't released or reviewed yet? If you want VR now then buy a Quest 2 to last you the next months until the new generations of headsets are released.
@@somerandomperson8282 Bru you know that thrill actually knows a couple of leaks and he can assess the situation with all the info we already know he has enough info to answer the question
KatWalk should do two things: (1) Package it in two boxes to make it easier to transport and (2) work with software devs to implement an API for variable speed motion (walking/running)
An improvement would be if they add ball or track ball in the shoes instead of wheels that way it can go in any direction. Balls. And also if the back can also tilt.height adjustment is awesome and tilt will be great. Especially for the moments when a person is sprinting and tilting swimming, crawling ducking down. And also increase the height adjustment back so a person can crawl on ground and make the mill wheel bigger.
It is so cool seeing Phia occasionally in your videos and You in Phia's videos or SadlyItsBradly talking about the cool stuff he's worked on with you. It's like seeing your favourite tv shows doing casual cross-overs.
Already have mine ordered on Kickstarter! I've seen VR treadmills since 2014 and I'm so happy to finally get one for myself, and one that's been developed far enough along to give a gigantic push in immersion! Can't wait to walk around Skyrim and VR Chat!
Thank you so much for your support, Hunter. We are sure our C 2 / C 2+ will level up your immersive experience, and bring you more exciting moments ;) Looking forward to your feedback later
For various reasons I had a pretty good understanding of how VR technology would feel once I got a headset, but the sense of scale was truly mind bending. I was not prepared for how concerning a 6 foot hot dog with a gun would be once it actually felt like it was 6 foot, or how freaking huge No Mans Sky ships are, or how truly massive some game-spaces are. I already think to myself in Skyrim VR, gosh that's a really long way, I don't think I want to walk that far. If I actually had to do it, that would make changing cities feel like a massive undertaking and totally change the way you play.
Imagine one of those types where it actually is a treadmill moving under you, big enough that you could jump as far as you can forward and still land in it then it recenters you in the space. That would be peak immersion!
Smarter Every Day kind of did a video on something like that. The issue with that design is how disorienting/motion sickness inducing the act of the treadmill "correcting" your position would be. You jump forward, but then feel yourself moving backward to reenter you. Tracking devices would also have to know the difference between movement and the treadmill recentering. You jump forward, you move forward in game, but when the treadmill recenters you in the room, how does the game know to not make it seem like you're moving backward in the world? Just doesnt seem like that concept will be easy to make a reality. These low-friction style treadmills make a lot more sense from design, production, and implementation viewpoints.
@cameron tennant He IS saying that. He's saying both things. And his concern about the tracking is irrelevant. It's a trivial problem to solve. The feeling of inertia is still a legitimate concern. Likely, to make treadmills like that practical, they would effectively have to give under the force of your own friction--sliding away as soon as you start moving your feet--and then provide just enough resistance to keep you in the same place. It should be a tractible problem, but it is certainly a lot more difficult than a slidemill. And since there are sheets of floor moving rapidly and motors driving them, there's a lot more room for physical injury if things go wrong in ways that exposes the manufacturers more directly to lawsuits.
I’ve been following this project for a while, and have reserved a place as one of the Extra Early Bird backers, my KAT Walk C2+ should be coming in July and I look forward to using it alongside my Haptic Suit and Haritora X. Just remember guys, the $1000 price tag won’t be there for long and will likely increase possibly by $400 when the Kickstarter ends soon so get one while it’s affordable.
The cost of shipping screwed me out of the chance to buy a kat walk c2+ before the Kickstarter ends. However like you I do want to also get a haptic suit eventually and have just ordered all the components to build myself some slime VR trackers
@@Dimondminer11 I already have a Haptic Suit and I agree that it’s important to remember the shipping cost, consider the price increase after the Kickstarter plus the shipping cost and this thing will likely be around 2k for most people after launch
Eh honestly I would want one but it is less the cost in my case than the question: Where would I put it? I share a house and only public rooms have the space. Housemates aren't gamers.
hate to break your bubble, i kickstarted the kat walk c, and it took them over 1 year for it to shipped to my destination having them delays so unfortunately i doubt they'll ship it by jul 2022 and might take them 1 year at most
@@MrGamingPlays idk man as far as I’m concerned they’ve come along way with their shipping since then. Consider that an initial fuck up followed by an improvement on their part. You may be right but we’ll see
This was a great review, and I think for someone like me who doesn't get out much (I'm a software engineer who spends a ton of time on the PC), I could get plenty of fitness out of something like this plus the immersion. Definitely hope to pick one up. New to VR, but I have absolutely fallen in love with it.
I’m 6’3 size 14 feet. It would have to have a larger disc for me to feel comfortable using it. I look at it presently and just imagine constantly going off the edges.
you don't step in FRONT of you, you rather lean forward and put your feet straight down and slide back - so if anything you'd be sliding off the back edge I guess - but i don't think it's likely. I'm 6 ft 4, US size 12 - I think i will give it a shot.
I am 6'1 and I can't tell you how uncomfortable it is for me to use my exercise treadmill because it is too short for my normal stride distance so I barely end up using it, because I can't ever manage to hit a normal stride for me when walking or even less so running, it needs to go inhumanely fast for me to be able to hit my normal running stride and even then me feet end up at the edge of the treadmill, which would mean if I fuck up I am faceplanting super hard, which is not comfortable and when I am just walking even then I feel uncomfortable because I can feel edge of the treadmill with my backfoot during a walking stride.
@@xDomglmao That treadmill from what I can see online has a running area of 153cm (60 in) of length, so you should measure your normal stride length on your own and see if you have wiggle room, what you can also do is cut a piece of cardboard of 153x56 cm (60x20 in) and try to take a normal while standing about 10 centimeters from the back of it to compensate for where the back roller would be and see if it would give you a comfortable experience
Every Thrill & TVRS video revitalizes my desire to put on the headset when I'm feeling confused on what to do/play. :) Can't wait for the day ODTs are a common household item~~
I'd wait a bit, especially because the price is more than most vr headsets. But in another iteration or two I'm totally getting this! Hopefully by that point, haptic gear is more affordable and vr gloves that restrict your hand movement are out, too!
I feel this products will be the great equalizer when playing team deathmatch on a FPS, and on dedicated servers. That way, most likely the fittest people will dominate, forcing all others to get in better shape, and hence better health :)
At least this shows that there's enough interest that they can afford and have a desire to improve technology. I think that's great to hear! Probably not gonna be able to get one, my money's saved up for fullbody and face tracking, but for those who can, that's great!
I feel like the only way to be truly immersed in VR is to be in a very wide open flat field that’s large enough to accommodate whatever game you’re playing so that you can turn your guardian off and simply be in that world.
I would imagine it would be more for environmental feedback. He mentioned when landing a ship - but I could also see the ground shaking near an active volcano, building falling down, earthquake, dragon walking by.
A treadmill that would work with the quest would be dope. I own a PC for only VR(consoles for flatscreen) i use it a lot but i also use my quest almost just as much
Amazing video! Moving your body in VR is what I have been wanting! Allows me to exercise and enjoy the game. They are going to need to start making sport vr headsets, because People will get very sweaty! Will be interesting if competitive games will depend on physical capabilities. Also, how will this impact people with non average physical features? Does this eventually move away from physical form and everything can be simulated with a brain interface?
I think there will at least for quite some time forward still be a "stick" option, even if its common place just to ensure accesibility. And for a BCI we'll have to wait, notably for exactly how the technology will work as "turning off" legs and arms doesnt work so will just have to wait and see. But maybe an ODT with a BCI could be whats used
This is the only kind of VR that actually gets me really excited. I would love to run around an open-world VR game like Horizon, RDR2, or Zelda. It would be a fun way to get some exercise too.
This is amazing if this was put together with some other VR items such as the full body tracking or haptic body suit you could be fully immersed in these worlds. I'd love to get myself one of these.
question: is there currently a solution to turn the tracking data of the katwalk into a skating experience? I fell like this would make sense with the small range of motion of the device, and this could make it usable in competitve vr games.... Vr iceskating sounds like a whole lot of fun and disorientation....... i wanna try it, do you too?
As a 90s kid, VR was in my mind the pinnacle of gaming, then I tried the "Virtual Boy". Seriously though, VR is amazing in 2023, we are so close to ll encompassing immersion. Head tracking, hand tracking and six degrees of freedom have brought us closer then ever, at aa affordable price too. Just 2 things holding back VR, movement and visuals. Third one being sensory feedback but thats probably a long ways away, although, haptic feedback already exists for tactile feedback and object impact but its not yet affordable nor is it fully realized. When we get full freedom of movement and better visuals (without a $3k PC), VR will truly be all immersive. Sidenote: Headsets have their flaws too but it seems, until we get away from Fresnel lenses, that will be an issue. Most people can look past those lens artifacts though (literally)so its not a deal breaker.
I always wonder how loud the katwalk is, when I have the money I do want to get tech like this but I’m always concerned about the sound of it. Seems like something that would wake the house judging from the last one
@@orian1427 the Matt’s are a dense rubber get like thick one 3/4. you will definitely hear the machine when you go on it but it really helps with the noise transfer so others can’t really hear it. It still may make some noise transfer but it becomes minimal
That's a treadmill I would actually get to motivate me into better shape! Allready using VR as a kind of exercisedevice and this would make it even better!
I actually have the same intentions with when I get the dough to buy this. However I'll need to lose a little bit of weight before hand due to me weighing a little more than the max supported weight
trust me you dont want this. not in its current form that is (maybe future, 5-10years) i know a friend, has the one before this. and has a reg. treadmill for exercise. he used it he said maybe a combined 4 hours ina few months of use, never wants to use it again...after 30min you just want to sit-down and Thumb Pad rest of the way. and sliding while you get use to it still isnt that much fun. really works your calves. he says the commercial an yt videos make it look effortlessly..and its not. its the Novelty thats makes it look awesome, but it quickly wears off when you get one...and in the end he says i have two workout out machines, cause i can only use the other when trying to have Fun, and he doesnt anymore. he just uses it sporadically for vrchat to keep utilizing his 1500 investment he hardly uses it.
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One of the things supposed to be added in that is a feature to tilt the platform based on the terrain we are walking on.. making going uphill harder and downhill easier But I am amazed to see that we have reached this level of technology in just a few years of vr development!
I feel like something to be able to spin around in place would be better. Still have to use sticks but it makes VR require less space. Even at 13 square feet that's a fraction of a good VR space. Tho it will also need to be easy to get in and out of for mass appeal.
@@jokerzyo because its not meant for that. If you want, you can buy yourself some stuff from a hardware store and build a nice spinning pole you can tie yourself to. The product in the video is specifically meant to enhance immersion. If you want to solve a problem that barely exists, like just spinning in place by yourself, you can do that.
Holy shit, i really want to walk around Black Mesa right now, maybe backwards bhoping would be really dificult with this but the sensation of fooling your brain by thinking that you are actually there must be amazing
I find a huge difference in immersion when using real locomotion/room scale compared to thumbsticks. Walking in real life feels so much more immersive!! Once one have learned walking with the C2, will it be as good as walking for real (room scale locomotion), or is this just a glorified version of walking-in-place (that didn't do anything for me, immersion-wise)?
VR gameplay has been a revelation...I play action-shooters on hardest-difficulty with full-immersion: so physically standing, turning, crouching, some small steps. Currently enjoying the Half-Life 2 VR mod. Did a 5-hour session last night (with an hour break in-between). What I've noticed in my case - 44-year old Dadbod here - is that I sleep deeper & more restful after long VR sessions. To compare: the sleep-quality after a few hours sitting down watching TV or playing flatscreen games is inferior...for obvious reasons, I guess: the body & mind isn't really tired enough...it hasn't 'earnt' its sleep. A VR Treadmill looks to be the natural next step forward (literally!). The KAT C2 is probably the best on the market, at least for moderately-affordable enthusiast-prices. I think I'm gonna go for it!
I am thinking of all the non-gaming applications for this sort of VR technology and excited for the future. Think of all the ways simulators are used not just for fun gaming times, but real world serious reasons: flight training, practising job tasks that are difficult to practise out in the field (space, military, engineering, medicine etc), practising and analysing sports data (I'm thinking of those virtual golf places where instead of hitting the balls onto a driving range, they hit a net with sensors indoors). People who struggle with agoraphobia, PTSD, or other mental/stress conditions that mean they would benefit from VR therapy to work on those issues. VR goggled alone are usually a little expensive and require a bit of learning to utilise the best, so there are already VR arcades popping up around the place. I don't know if any of them have omnidirectional VR setups, but it would certainly be interesting. Once the omnidirectional treadmill VR is mastered, the next step would be to make it easy to switch between treadmill and non-treadmill movement in the VR games (e.g. use buttons to move long distances, but jump back onto the treadmill during a fight scene). Maybe someone will use the Kinect movement tracking technology with the ODT to make a better system. Because if I need a break from Kinect gameplay, I can just hold my arm out to pause it and go sit down/walk away without having to unstrap myself and get down from a lubricated platform.
They should just make an adjustable shoe platforms of the same materials, with belt or velcro straps, that way it should be fittable for all shoe sizes and it'd be cheaper than making a whole pair of shoes for each omni.
I personally think that the future of VR locamotion should be the same as the game Tea for God. It uses the concept of 'impossible spaces' also known as non euclidean geometry to walk as far as you want in the game world to different places but all within your play area in reality. It really does trick your mind into thinking you've walked to lots of different places.
As someone who loves their Quest but has no place or need or knowledge about gaming PCs, I would buy a Quest-only Katwalk in a heartbeat no matter the price tag!
Full body harness being suspended in a gyro gimble would be the ultimate set imo. It needs to be like an exo suit with motors and whatnot to limit your movements. That combined with a haptic suit. Simulates acceleration and full freedom of movement.
So like a hamster ball? Maybe a hamster ball with a platform on the bottom, and running just pushes the plaform, rotating the ball (if that makes any sense lol)
@@shhinysilver1720 the issue with that is the floor wouldn't be flat. And you can't simulate other movements/environmental situations like swimming or be in zero g. No hamster ball with my theoretical setup.
I cant wait to see an ultra realistic vr game that is absolutely 100% fully immersed, like synthetic touch, taste, smell, sounds, and obviously sight. It will truly be a spectacle to see a war game or a RPG game that you can really believe that you yourself are in. When the day cycles in the games are synced to the real cycles and it will just be the perfect community to play all sorts of different games like they do today on PC or console. Even when there is simulated pain and hunger and all of the feelings that you are able to feel right now at this moment. I just simply cant wait for this kind of technology to come to be reality. Edit: The Ready Player One tech for example.
There’s gonna be a day where all games are vr, and things like this kinda proves it. There’s gonna be a day where when you fall, a device on something like a kat walk may hover you and make it really feel like you’re falling
In Dune they have to desert walk but it gets normal over time. Slide walking is equally valid as a way of locomotion and with games allowing different movement speeds etc it'd be even better
Is it worth a $1000.00? the real answer is YES. Just compare this with a rtx 3080ti video card. See your getting more in the long run. Can't wait to see the 3rd version. Great video!!!!!
Exercising in VR is definitely looking more and more likely to happen in the future. Part of the reason I don’t workout as much as I’d like to is morale and interest. Something I personally want to overcome if want to loose weight.
When you can move in all directions 360 then you being truly are where you can do anything you want you can run you can jump you can do parkour you can do backflips you can swim you can dodge things effortlessly when you can bring something that happened then I think you got it good product far beyond what the imagination can control
This video took a little longer than expected! Wanted to make sure it was just right. Hopefully you all liked it :D Also! Here are the height and weight measurements for the rest of the world:
Recommended height: 1.55-2M
Max Weight: 130KG
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Props to you for spending the time and money for this 😂🙏
Hey, so I REALLY want to buy it, but kick starter says that there’s a chance you may not get one? Is that just a generalization for every kickstarter? Or is that a serious risk.
damn, i would say i need to lose weight, but like, im just too heavy even tho I am in shape lol. and im right at the max height
It's fantastic, you did an amazing job. One thing I'd like to see change with it though is the position it holds the user. I noticed that you almost have to walk at a heavy slant, like it's holding you back rather than supporting you upright. Other than that, it looks great and like a lot of fun!
Was hoping you would elaborate on the haptic feedback feature more - When you walk or run do the haptic vibrations make you feel more immersive?
Tbh i think having to actually walk to move in the game - considering the amount of walking in, like, all games - this could be an absolutely incredible form of exercise
this would be incredible lmao every gamer would be fit
What I love the most is imagining how long would it take to finish a solo game that requires you to move to many different places, like Horizon Zero Dawn. I would love to see myself walking fake 20km a day just to get a couple quests done. Perhaps one day.
yeah. this makes exercising so much more fun and interesting. i cant wait until like 10 years from now when we will _(hopefully)_ have full haptic where you can feel pain, have your fingers get restrained when you pick things up, higher quality headsets, stuff like that.
@Nicnicnicolas89 tbh if it’s cheap enough I would not mind the exercise. It’d be a bonus to do something I enjoy while keeping fit
@Nicnicnicolas89 That's not entirely true. I have a condition that makes it dangerous for me to work out, but something really low impact like this that's actually supporting me a little bit can actually get me able to work out.
For the future of competitive vr games, I think the simplest solution would be to make the use of omnidirectional treadmills detectable by the game so it can send you to servers full of other people using them. Basically, like how PC and console players are often divided.
Only problem is that the player bases are probably small enough as it is that you wouldn’t want to do that yet. Maybe in a decade or so.
Personally I'm more a fan of the idea of not using VR treadmills at all and instead using room scale VR and giant arenas I had the idea of basically making a 1-1 scale pavlov map thats the exact size of a football field with different environments to fight in that you could select like the holo deck or X-Men style danger room lol. Basically anyone with access to a football field could have a arena scale tournament with their friends running around the field. I always felt omnidirectional treadmills would be more for people who don't have access to Big spaces like that but still want to be able to Sprint around
There is a visual technique that makes you walk in infinite circles instead of cardinaly. If that is integrated into VR game map design, we could do away with treadmills. VR motion sickness is also alleviated with the technique as you body actually cannot tell you are walking in circles.
@@davisbradford7438 can you explain more about this. I often walk the perimeter of my room and turn the world the opposite direction when i hit the physical corner of my room. is this what you mean? I dont get motion sick doing this but after a few minutes it gives me a headache. However I did a full playthrough of Half Life Alyx like this is it was realy incredible. just had to take a lot of breaks
@@Aycheffe It's called redirected walking. It needs to be designed into a game by the developer and you need decent position tracking in a play space for it to work well.
@jared Flynn That is way less practical and has more limits
This is a MAJOR improvement. Not _quite_ where I want it to be, but it is really close. One, maybe two more iterations and they'll be earning my business.
My thoughts exactly
What’s it lacking specifically?
@@ben_ovr9230 It's still fundamentally a slide mill. There's a startup called Freeaim VR that is working on VR shoes that involve actual walking, and there is this other engineer called Finally Functional making his own shoes and treadmills. I'm personally waiting to see what Freeaim VR announces.
@@NextGenVR wow! that tech is so interesting. Thank you for making me aware of it. I don't see running in those being a thing in those anytime soon... but I love the portability.
The one thing all these different devices have in common is a Return To Center. How they do it is different but the goal is the same. Even the expensive true omni directional treadmills have issues like the delay when you stop walking but the treadmill keeps going even for a split second.
The one thing I noticed in the KatVR's recent gameplay videos is the guy is standing erect and putting his foot forward toward the front edge and letting his foot slide back to center. Thrillseeker and others on the earlier Katwalk C like Nathie and VoodooVR are leaning, starting with their foot in the center then pushing it back. I don't know how difficult it is to do it how KatVR are showing on these videos but it looks to make a huge difference in realistic movement and way less strenuous.
I guess I will soon find out.
Based on Thrills posture, I'm still worried about potential long term effects of taking such short, unnatural steps or slides. I know as users its our responsibility to take breaks but I don't want to feel I have to compensate 1hr of VR walking with 1hr of RL walking to make I don't negatively affect my body. Hoping for it to develop a little further before
Its not just the immersion that matters. It gives you the exercise and the “oh shit. I aint walking that distance” feeling
Yeah it'll make vehicles so much more valuable.
Refusing to walk, on a VR treadmill, defeats the ENTIRE purpose.
@@jordankelly4684Somehow, you misread his comment. Great job.
I can't wait for the later years of VR, when everything is the latest version and this is called old. The haptic gloves, the suit, and now the slidemill. We are turning reality into ready player one. Amazing what technology is capable of.
A neural control interface seems likely for VR movement in the future. Why have these unwieldy and uncomfortable contraptions at all?
@@shaitand69 at least this is good for your real body. With a neural control interface I can already see people lying in bed all day
@@shaitand69 actual exersize vs lucid fever dream
@@shaitand69 It feels like direct neural interfacing would probably result in people becoming addicted to VR to the extent that they forget what reality is. Idk, maybe that’s just my brain rambling. Either way, sometimes a layer of abstraction between you and the world is better, Like Turn based games and arcade shooters.I don’t think VR can ever truly take over gaming, but it could definitely become much MUCH bigger than it is today. I just think neural interfacing for it is a bad idea.
@@jackmoseley4959 That seems like something for the user to decide. People might choose to spend more time in virtual reality but how is that different than TV or sitting at a PC, with your nose buried in a phone or any of a thousand artificial experiences in meat space that humans create to entertain themselves? By that reasoning we should all be struggling for survival in the jungles instead of living in our completely artificial human created superficial world with police, firemen, ambulances and animal services. Don't blame the tool for how people choose to use it or choose for them by nerfing the tools you make available. That is the dark side.
This thing actually looks awesome, wish i waited a couple months!
I would love to see cascade video on the new C2. Game like Stride seems very fun with it!
but you cant do Stripper moves and do backflips
@ChrisQuitsReality Do you have this? Did you buy the older version?
@@valu1827 i got the older version
Same I got the older one but I backed the new one and will just sell my old one
Watching ThrillSeeker pretend to fly on an omni treadmill has fulfilled my dreams
lol
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It looked painful. lol Nothing about suspending your body by the waist feels like swimming.
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Hell yeah this looks fun, its definietly going to be a thing on my to buy list
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Sure, if you could spend 1.6k
About 60 bucks a month. Not that bad. Especially since ur actually doing something good 4 ur body
@@Mr.NobodyOfficial 60 a month basicalky the price of a good well phone
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I'm SO excited about this technology. This is what I've wanted out of games--make me work as hard as I make my character work!
It's really interesting how the things that seem to add the tiniest bit of immersion (fbt, this catvr slidemill, finger tracking on the valve index controllers) often makes almost a world of difference in the way one feels about vr as a whole.
Try the buttkicker in flight sims. 💯
add haptic suits.
now we need taste and smell.
the future of vr technology is looking so bright! It'll be awesome if we get ready player one level or tech on day, just hopefully without all the other bad stuff that was in that book...
The whole point of the book was showing how cool technology could be if corporations didn’t have to stick their hands in everything.
@@derpythean-comdoge8608 and sadly VR will always be a corporate thing
@@derpythean-comdoge8608 Especially big tech. They have a monopoly, they don't even really care about the consumers. They only care if they get sponsors, smh
@@derpythean-comdoge8608 There's just no way we'd be this far with technology without them though
Nah we getting the bad dystopian shit too dont worry lol
Best part is, you never have to worry about hitting a wall with your controllers again. You can play Blade and Sorcery, Thrill of the Fight etc and swing to your hearts content without ever worrying about breaking your tv, or wall, or controllers. You could just go crazy on those NPCs, lol
That's why I bought the original Kat Walk but unfortunately any true melee based game just feels incredibly clunky when you can't physically lunge in with a jab and it overall hurt my immersion and will to play those games. Stick to RPGs and exploration games like Skyrim or No Man's Sky. I will say however it was incredible to play Payday 2 on it, until I tried to play Heat Street. I ended up redecorating my entire apartment so I could have both open space for Blade and Sorcery + the Kat Walk to play Skyrim.
@@friendlyelites Yknow, I originally wanted to do my mechanical engineering capstone project on building a force feedback arm rig for melee combat in VR games (and any simulation purpose). Really sad my team ended up going with a different idea.
This kind of stuff is going to be key for generations going forward, heart disease is still a pretty big issue that plagues a lot of the world and with gaming culture continuing to go more mainstream platforms like this can really bridge the gap for gamers to have healthier lifestyles while still being in the comfort of their own home.
If anyone over 130kg/287lbs is struggling to find motivation to lose weight - I think losing weight to start using this device (or these devices) might be worth it in the long run. Pricewise I get it's a little expensive but considering the good 'gym' style treadmills are normally like over $1500-$2000 it's not that terrible in comparison.
Couldn't agree more mate, future gamers gonna be looking more like athletes instead of the jabba the hut stereotype
"In the long run" No pun intended? But I agree. I'm about 35 lbs under the limit and tbh I would consider getting one of these to be pretty valid to be even further under that limit. I mean VR has helped me lose a pretty good amount of weight given my genetics. And I don't exactly have the self esteem to be able to be outside or in a gym working out in front of other people... very few people look cool exercising in real life and no one looks cool exercising in VR to the people watching them but INSIDE VR we are all badass Jedi so... that solves that problem for me personally.
The possibility of getting one of these in the future is an actual inspiration for me. Even if I am broke right now.
@@marievignolo5449 you may think that people are staring at you at the gym but I can assure you everybody is not staring at you. If anything they are thinking good for you man. You’d be surprised about the positive vibes in a gym as opposed to people thinking negatively about your decisions. One of those things where it’s in your head worse than reality.
When I was in uni and got to work in the movement lab, there was this huge Omni directional treadmill there for research, then I dreamed the same thing. I always loved gaming and sporting, with beatsaber we got the upper half moving, now another step to get the lower half working.
In 10 years, the amount of back pathology that will disappear in gaming because of this is gonna be unreal.
Fysiotherapeut speaking here, but I always dreamed of making Esport worth the titel.
We are getting close man, happy to slide along side you 😄
I think the best device for VR would basically be an exo-skeleton mounted on a robot arm that you strap into. The exo-skeleton stops the motion of your limbs the moment they wouldn't be able to move in the game and applies some force to you as feedback. So when you run the device would stop your feet the moment your feet touch the ground in the digital world.
The robot arm would be to simulate your orientation in the digital world. Like if you do a flip. Your real strength and fitness wouldn't necessarily matter in the digital world bearing exceptions. It'd be augmented by the machine you are strapped to. So you would be able to flip all you want. Swimming in the digital world would be a little more bearable on your body as well.
And it wouldn't have the problems of modern mobile exoskeletons when it comes to power. Because you don't need an onboard battery.
We already have the technology for something like this. It just needs to be made. Even if it would be very expensive at first I can see VR Arcades opening up with many of these so people will just have to pay for their time on their machines instead of buying one.
I'm still waiting for a weird omnidirectional treadmill for realistic movement in gaming, certainly would make things interesting. I kinda love this.
i truly think this is the direction the VR industry is headed, the fact these already can be purchased (even though it will be as much as your valve index) is a massive leap in the right direction for this kind of future in VR
I'm not so sure personally. There's still going to be huge amounts of people who can't justify the cost and also don't have anywhere to put it. I'm one of them, I have just enough room for room scale after moving some furniture when I want to play but there's no way I could fit one of these in the room. There's something about mobility and space requirement that's going to keep thumbsticks in vr forever. That much stationary equipment also goes against the design goal of the quest 2.
@@Woogoo336 Its not that big i live in a small apartment and can dedicate some room for that if I really wanted this. Also things are getting cheaper, when VR first released it was 1k-2k, now you can get a quest for 200-500 bucks depending on where you go. I mean a quest 2, its worth it for entry level vr
I think Omni directional devices are the future of vr once the technology gets there and I think they will be portable or at least made to where they can be readily folded up for storage or moving
VR will never be truly mainstream until a complete package costs the same as a major console
@@cyan_2169 once arm becomes the default that will likely happen
Every time I add a vr accessory, I love it. From gun stock to racing wheel to moving seat. The more realistic it gets, the worse I am but the more fun I have
It's all about fun
Plus everyone is on the same level and there’s no cheating you have to worry about which would be nice!
I'd love to play Onward and other shooters with it. even if it makes me worse due to it being harder, but I don't care. hopefully, slidemills or something better will become a common house hold item soon so more games can be made with these in mind
Just think about how much more fulfilling winning that battle would feel if you actually had to physically run head first into it, running between cover etc.
I got so amazed when watching ready player one when seeing all the gear they had, the Omni directional treadmills the motion senser suits gloves that track your hand movement and combined with the amazing graphics the oasis had I feel like if I was playing that it would truly feel like I’m in another world and that’s why seeing stuff like this just makes me more exited to the world of ready player one getting closer to the real world
I just wanted to say thank you, for everything.
I bought a quest 2 and, by far, this was the best purchase I've made in the last few years. It is scary how much I enjoy it, and I can't believe I didn't get one earlier.
I had tried mobile vr before, I thought I knew what vr was, oh boy, I was truly wrong. My whole family was baffled by how intuitive and immersive using a vr headset really is.
Additionally, I am extremely happy I went for a quest instead of any other headset. Air link works surprisingly well, I love the fact I don't need any cables and I can play anything my pc can run while in a whole other room.
(I understand this video has nothing to do with the quest, but since this is the latest video I suppose there's a higher chance thrill will see it.)
He’s going to become the most immersed man ever in the next video
yeah haha
Massive foreshadowing
no such thing as immerse or not
Hey Thrill, just wanna say thanks for fueling my interest for vr for the past few years. Every time I start losing interest in vr or start drifting away from it, you talk about a new exciting thing in the vr industry and it captivates me. Keep doing what you’re doing!
this would be great exercise especially playing huge games that require lots of walking and sometimes swimming. this might just be a new way to game and exercise at the same time and honestly i love it
Bro I can’t wait until we pretty much master this technology.
What we could see in my lifetime are VR restaurants/VR vacation destinations.
“Want the environment and amenities of far off 5 star resort at a 3 star price? Come to Day Dreamer’s Resort.”
“Looking to take a break from work but have a deadline coming up next weekend? Spend a day at Day Dreamer’s resort where we’ll put your mind at ease. This season our Cheffs are well versed in the exotic foods of far off planets that are sure to send your tongue’s sensors too the moon and back! Need some “Special Treatment” come to one of our Nevada branches where everyone feels like a mile high in the sky and wants to join our club. Our special temperature controlled rooms will match the climate of your designation. If you decide to match up with one of our special buddy guides, you can also attend our more daring attractions! We look forward to seeing you in the Day Dreamer’s paradise.”
With the sheer amount of time in VR you've spent daily, it's no wonder you've managed to stay in great shape during the entire pandemic.
Now I really want one, as someone who just likes walking place. I've hiked on mountains, islands, cities and forests, but I can just imagine all the places I could walk with a lot fewer downsides. But doubling the value of my vr setup is a bit much, but maybe I'll save up for the future. Hopefully by then it's also a bit cheaper
I’m buying sound proof carpeting to put underneath the base of it, hopefully that’ll help
I really hope in 5-10 years we start seeing full VR setups on the market. A powerful 'base station', probably with extremely fast GHz dedicated connections, and sensors to put in the corners of whatever rooms you want, with those costing 25-50 USD apiece. Coming with omni-directional treadmill optional, plus full body tracking through either a suit, or AI-driven real-time video analysis. Given the performance Console creators can squeeze out of hardware to cut costs, I'd love to see what dedicated hardware and software together can do!
If they can sell these at MSRP of 5k or less, then people are going to be okay with living in really, *really* cramped apartments soon. Imagine being able to explore the entire world from a 1.5 meter square.
I feel like in a couple decades its literally just going to be ready player one irl 💀
this would be a useful tool for schools they can go on virtual school trips to anywhere in the world for a particular lesson like for history they could go to museums and that
Trust me i rlly want one. I’m a big vr enthusiast. I’m just scared to buy one, then. A better cheaper version comes out. I just want to wait for the right one, at the right price. I love the idea. Thanks for the constant vids. Much love thrill
it's a lot of money but if you keep waiting for a newer model you'll never buy one 😊
Yeah that’s totally fair. It’s a big purchase and you wanna make sure you actually use it.
I feel this is a pretty fair ask as long as you make yourself use it. The next big level of consumer ODTs likely won’t be a thing for a couple years
I had that problem then I decided to buy a quest 1 then the quest 2 came out (now I am just planning to collect them all like people do with PlayStation's and Xboxes)
If you have a wireless headset, until then you can use a climbing harness on a swivel mount and either vive trackers with NaLo, or Kat Loco S. Its not as good, but way cheaper. And you can swim in that setup too.
Been waiting for this video since I backed the C 2+. Thank you for putting this video out, answered all of my questions, and I am looking forward to my Slidemill more than ever!
Me too bro 🤣
It’ll be cool when some standard features for things like these are built right into game engines
The one that stands out most to me is finely controlling your character’s speed based on your own so it’s always 1:1, instead of being locked into the walk or sprint speeds of the game
Another would be to, just like stated in the video, give interesting travel options. Like will you pay or use something to travel or simply walk, I think it is an interesting concept to give more depth to traveling in game.
it should not build into game engine standred feature
but if it is some sort of library or optional option that not include by default then sure
The shoes are getting to a point where they could just be a thing that straps on to normal shoes. All the electronics are on the bottom, so the hard part would be attaching it stably.
The most amazing part of this video is that a project on Kickstarter actually made something
I like the idea of playing competitive games where everyone uses one of these.
Each of these could have a digital key of some sort built into them, that game modes could require, letting it know you were using the Treadmill.
This is an awesome idea!
No one would be in those lobbies lol
get ready for a whole new generation of hackers
Yeah those games don't get enough engagement as it is to justify that.
Cool idea but like others have said lobbies would be empty. All of the companies are moving towards cross play which is amazing. I love being able to have a full lobby on a game 10 years old because we have pc, Xbox and Playstation players.. same concept they wouldn't separate them because it'd just be lobbies full of bots. It's a niche item.
For QOTW
Hey thrill awesome vid keep up the great content! My QOTW is do u think I should by a project cambria when it comes out or just buy a quest 2 right now. Note I do want to do some work in vr I think that's cool but I also would focus on entertainment. What do you think I should do?
How can he answer that when the Cambria isn't released or reviewed yet? If you want VR now then buy a Quest 2 to last you the next months until the new generations of headsets are released.
@@somerandomperson8282 Bru you know that thrill actually knows a couple of leaks and he can assess the situation with all the info we already know he has enough info to answer the question
Dude what do u mean thrill knows so much about the thing
@@somerandomperson8282 Project Cambria has so much info on it dude
I absolutely love your content, every video feel so premium in a way. Keep up the amazing work!
KatWalk should do two things: (1) Package it in two boxes to make it easier to transport and (2) work with software devs to implement an API for variable speed motion (walking/running)
An improvement would be if they add ball or track ball in the shoes instead of wheels that way it can go in any direction. Balls. And also if the back can also tilt.height adjustment is awesome and tilt will be great. Especially for the moments when a person is sprinting and tilting swimming, crawling ducking down. And also increase the height adjustment back so a person can crawl on ground and make the mill wheel bigger.
It is so cool seeing Phia occasionally in your videos and You in Phia's videos or SadlyItsBradly talking about the cool stuff he's worked on with you. It's like seeing your favourite tv shows doing casual cross-overs.
I think it would be great to put metric units there too, into brackets at least
Actually, put the ameridumb units in brackets lol, metric are the only real or useful ones in the world they should always be first
@@cenciende9401 it's often hard to explain to people outside the academia why they should use metric and when we try it, we're often seen as pedantic
Already have mine ordered on Kickstarter! I've seen VR treadmills since 2014 and I'm so happy to finally get one for myself, and one that's been developed far enough along to give a gigantic push in immersion! Can't wait to walk around Skyrim and VR Chat!
Thank you so much for your support, Hunter. We are sure our C 2 / C 2+ will level up your immersive experience, and bring you more exciting moments ;) Looking forward to your feedback later
For various reasons I had a pretty good understanding of how VR technology would feel once I got a headset, but the sense of scale was truly mind bending. I was not prepared for how concerning a 6 foot hot dog with a gun would be once it actually felt like it was 6 foot, or how freaking huge No Mans Sky ships are, or how truly massive some game-spaces are. I already think to myself in Skyrim VR, gosh that's a really long way, I don't think I want to walk that far. If I actually had to do it, that would make changing cities feel like a massive undertaking and totally change the way you play.
Next massive step would be creating bumps and elevating the "floor" to create steeps and slopes
Imagine one of those types where it actually is a treadmill moving under you, big enough that you could jump as far as you can forward and still land in it then it recenters you in the space. That would be peak immersion!
Smarter Every Day kind of did a video on something like that. The issue with that design is how disorienting/motion sickness inducing the act of the treadmill "correcting" your position would be. You jump forward, but then feel yourself moving backward to reenter you. Tracking devices would also have to know the difference between movement and the treadmill recentering. You jump forward, you move forward in game, but when the treadmill recenters you in the room, how does the game know to not make it seem like you're moving backward in the world?
Just doesnt seem like that concept will be easy to make a reality. These low-friction style treadmills make a lot more sense from design, production, and implementation viewpoints.
@@Maverickib recentering and tracking is a non issue -you just subtract the recenter vector from all positions
@cameron tennant He IS saying that. He's saying both things. And his concern about the tracking is irrelevant. It's a trivial problem to solve. The feeling of inertia is still a legitimate concern. Likely, to make treadmills like that practical, they would effectively have to give under the force of your own friction--sliding away as soon as you start moving your feet--and then provide just enough resistance to keep you in the same place. It should be a tractible problem, but it is certainly a lot more difficult than a slidemill. And since there are sheets of floor moving rapidly and motors driving them, there's a lot more room for physical injury if things go wrong in ways that exposes the manufacturers more directly to lawsuits.
@cameron tennant your English is really bad ngl
@cameron tennant lmao, you are "fluent in English"? who are you kidding?
I backed the C2 Plus on the Kickstarter, and I absolutely cannot wait. It seems like it will be incredible for both immersion and exercise.
Same here!
I’ve been following this project for a while, and have reserved a place as one of the Extra Early Bird backers, my KAT Walk C2+ should be coming in July and I look forward to using it alongside my Haptic Suit and Haritora X. Just remember guys, the $1000 price tag won’t be there for long and will likely increase possibly by $400 when the Kickstarter ends soon so get one while it’s affordable.
The cost of shipping screwed me out of the chance to buy a kat walk c2+ before the Kickstarter ends. However like you I do want to also get a haptic suit eventually and have just ordered all the components to build myself some slime VR trackers
@@Dimondminer11 I already have a Haptic Suit and I agree that it’s important to remember the shipping cost, consider the price increase after the Kickstarter plus the shipping cost and this thing will likely be around 2k for most people after launch
Eh honestly I would want one but it is less the cost in my case than the question: Where would I put it? I share a house and only public rooms have the space. Housemates aren't gamers.
hate to break your bubble, i kickstarted the kat walk c, and it took them over 1 year for it to shipped to my destination having them delays so unfortunately i doubt they'll ship it by jul 2022 and might take them 1 year at most
@@MrGamingPlays idk man as far as I’m concerned they’ve come along way with their shipping since then. Consider that an initial fuck up followed by an improvement on their part. You may be right but we’ll see
i dream of one day playing a proper VR survival game with this
This was a great review, and I think for someone like me who doesn't get out much (I'm a software engineer who spends a ton of time on the PC), I could get plenty of fitness out of something like this plus the immersion. Definitely hope to pick one up. New to VR, but I have absolutely fallen in love with it.
I’m 6’3 size 14 feet. It would have to have a larger disc for me to feel comfortable using it. I look at it presently and just imagine constantly going off the edges.
you don't step in FRONT of you, you rather lean forward and put your feet straight down and slide back - so if anything you'd be sliding off the back edge I guess - but i don't think it's likely. I'm 6 ft 4, US size 12 - I think i will give it a shot.
I am 6'1 and I can't tell you how uncomfortable it is for me to use my exercise treadmill because it is too short for my normal stride distance so I barely end up using it, because I can't ever manage to hit a normal stride for me when walking or even less so running, it needs to go inhumanely fast for me to be able to hit my normal running stride and even then me feet end up at the edge of the treadmill, which would mean if I fuck up I am faceplanting super hard, which is not comfortable and when I am just walking even then I feel uncomfortable because I can feel edge of the treadmill with my backfoot during a walking stride.
Sucks to suck
@@ilo3456 hmmm actually wanted to buy a treadmill, thanks for your comment. what about precor trm 885, do you think that one might work out?
@@xDomglmao That treadmill from what I can see online has a running area of 153cm (60 in) of length, so you should measure your normal stride length on your own and see if you have wiggle room, what you can also do is cut a piece of cardboard of 153x56 cm (60x20 in) and try to take a normal while standing about 10 centimeters from the back of it to compensate for where the back roller would be and see if it would give you a comfortable experience
Every Thrill & TVRS video revitalizes my desire to put on the headset when I'm feeling confused on what to do/play. :)
Can't wait for the day ODTs are a common household item~~
That's the aim of KatWalk Inc. ... the price is around the same as a mid-spec exercise treadmill.
Idk when or which iteration I'll get, but this device is definitely on my hitlist now. 👍
I'd wait a bit, especially because the price is more than most vr headsets. But in another iteration or two I'm totally getting this! Hopefully by that point, haptic gear is more affordable and vr gloves that restrict your hand movement are out, too!
This just needs a feature game that uses everything the katwalk has to offer for the best user experience. I give this 5 more years.
I feel this products will be the great equalizer when playing team deathmatch on a FPS, and on dedicated servers. That way, most likely the fittest people will dominate, forcing all others to get in better shape, and hence better health :)
Im ordering one because of this video! Great job Thrillseeker!
How does the seated option work, relative to other functions such as squatting or swimming? What determines whether the seat deploys or not?
You deploy it yourself
At least this shows that there's enough interest that they can afford and have a desire to improve technology. I think that's great to hear! Probably not gonna be able to get one, my money's saved up for fullbody and face tracking, but for those who can, that's great!
I think if we could get to matrix level immersion and function that would be cool. Kinda like that one mission in fallout 3 when you save the dad
I feel like the only way to be truly immersed in VR is to be in a very wide open flat field that’s large enough to accommodate whatever game you’re playing so that you can turn your guardian off and simply be in that world.
The game is Skyrim. Good luck finding the space
Was hoping you would elaborate on the haptic feedback feature more - When you walk or run do the haptic vibrations make you feel more immersive?
I would imagine it would be more for environmental feedback. He mentioned when landing a ship - but I could also see the ground shaking near an active volcano, building falling down, earthquake, dragon walking by.
@@MindALot Or a giant slapping its club on the ground.
A treadmill that would work with the quest would be dope. I own a PC for only VR(consoles for flatscreen) i use it a lot but i also use my quest almost just as much
I thought it does work with the quest?
@@robertwyatt3912 he said they were working on a quest compatible version.
Amazing video! Moving your body in VR is what I have been wanting!
Allows me to exercise and enjoy the game.
They are going to need to start making sport vr headsets, because People will get very sweaty!
Will be interesting if competitive games will depend on physical capabilities.
Also, how will this impact people with non average physical features?
Does this eventually move away from physical form and everything can be simulated with a brain interface?
I think there will at least for quite some time forward still be a "stick" option, even if its common place just to ensure accesibility. And for a BCI we'll have to wait, notably for exactly how the technology will work as "turning off" legs and arms doesnt work so will just have to wait and see. But maybe an ODT with a BCI could be whats used
This is the only kind of VR that actually gets me really excited. I would love to run around an open-world VR game like Horizon, RDR2, or Zelda. It would be a fun way to get some exercise too.
This is amazing if this was put together with some other VR items such as the full body tracking or haptic body suit you could be fully immersed in these worlds. I'd love to get myself one of these.
Start with this and when that comes you be a pro
question: is there currently a solution to turn the tracking data of the katwalk into a skating experience? I fell like this would make sense with the small range of motion of the device, and this could make it usable in competitve vr games....
Vr iceskating sounds like a whole lot of fun and disorientation.......
i wanna try it, do you too?
damn, imagine playing skate 3, I don't know how it'll work but that's so cool
Imagine this was GTAV 😏😏😏
If you told me 2 years ago that we would be able to swim around in vr. I would think you had covid-19
I’m not sure if walking on this would be to hard, I mean I’ve been walking and running my whole life.
As a 90s kid, VR was in my mind the pinnacle of gaming, then I tried the "Virtual Boy". Seriously though, VR is amazing in 2023, we are so close to ll encompassing immersion. Head tracking, hand tracking and six degrees of freedom have brought us closer then ever, at aa affordable price too. Just 2 things holding back VR, movement and visuals. Third one being sensory feedback but thats probably a long ways away, although, haptic feedback already exists for tactile feedback and object impact but its not yet affordable nor is it fully realized.
When we get full freedom of movement and better visuals (without a $3k PC), VR will truly be all immersive.
Sidenote: Headsets have their flaws too but it seems, until we get away from Fresnel lenses, that will be an issue. Most people can look past those lens artifacts though (literally)so its not a deal breaker.
I always wonder how loud the katwalk is, when I have the money I do want to get tech like this but I’m always concerned about the sound of it. Seems like something that would wake the house judging from the last one
Putting in that thick gym rubber matting really helps!!
@@chipbluff1 like on the tredmill part? because the sound of you running on plastic is what im concerned about lol
@@orian1427 the Matt’s are a dense rubber get like thick one 3/4. you will definitely hear the machine when you go on it but it really helps with the noise transfer so others can’t really hear it. It still may make some noise transfer but it becomes minimal
@@chipbluff1 ah ok cool, when i have a cool grand lying around for vr use ill be sure to get the mats as well
That's a treadmill I would actually get to motivate me into better shape! Allready using VR as a kind of exercisedevice and this would make it even better!
I actually have the same intentions with when I get the dough to buy this. However I'll need to lose a little bit of weight before hand due to me weighing a little more than the max supported weight
trust me you dont want this. not in its current form that is (maybe future, 5-10years)
i know a friend, has the one before this. and has a reg. treadmill for exercise. he used it he said maybe a combined 4 hours ina few months of use, never wants to use it again...after 30min you just want to sit-down and Thumb Pad rest of the way. and sliding while you get use to it still isnt that much fun. really works your calves. he says the commercial an yt videos make it look effortlessly..and its not.
its the Novelty thats makes it look awesome, but it quickly wears off when you get one...and in the end he says i have two workout out machines, cause i can only use the other when trying to have Fun, and he doesnt anymore. he just uses it sporadically for vrchat to keep utilizing his 1500 investment he hardly uses it.
@@ssj3vegett0 to each their own
Hi there, Critically. Thank you so much for your interest in our product and technology!
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One of the things supposed to be added in that is a feature to tilt the platform based on the terrain we are walking on.. making going uphill harder and downhill easier
But I am amazed to see that we have reached this level of technology in just a few years of vr development!
I feel like something to be able to spin around in place would be better. Still have to use sticks but it makes VR require less space. Even at 13 square feet that's a fraction of a good VR space. Tho it will also need to be easy to get in and out of for mass appeal.
The thing in the video has him spin around in place.
@@frankgelder8519 yeah but at a 1k price point and with a treadmill under you making competitive games not feesible
@@jokerzyo because its not meant for that. If you want, you can buy yourself some stuff from a hardware store and build a nice spinning pole you can tie yourself to. The product in the video is specifically meant to enhance immersion. If you want to solve a problem that barely exists, like just spinning in place by yourself, you can do that.
@@frankgelder8519 lol k kid
@@jokerzyo lol k, actual kid.
Holy shit, i really want to walk around Black Mesa right now, maybe backwards bhoping would be really dificult with this but the sensation of fooling your brain by thinking that you are actually there must be amazing
Cool tech and I would imagine very good exercise. My biggest concern is the darn cable to the headset.
I find a huge difference in immersion when using real locomotion/room scale compared to thumbsticks. Walking in real life feels so much more immersive!! Once one have learned walking with the C2, will it be as good as walking for real (room scale locomotion), or is this just a glorified version of walking-in-place (that didn't do anything for me, immersion-wise)?
I would spend hours just roaming the streets of Cyberpunk with a set-up like this
VR gameplay has been a revelation...I play action-shooters on hardest-difficulty with full-immersion: so physically standing, turning, crouching, some small steps. Currently enjoying the Half-Life 2 VR mod. Did a 5-hour session last night (with an hour break in-between).
What I've noticed in my case - 44-year old Dadbod here - is that I sleep deeper & more restful after long VR sessions. To compare: the sleep-quality after a few hours sitting down watching TV or playing flatscreen games is inferior...for obvious reasons, I guess: the body & mind isn't really tired enough...it hasn't 'earnt' its sleep.
A VR Treadmill looks to be the natural next step forward (literally!). The KAT C2 is probably the best on the market, at least for moderately-affordable enthusiast-prices. I think I'm gonna go for it!
I think the best possible omnidirectional treadmill would be the ones in ready player one, it would be EXACTLY like walking IRL
I am thinking of all the non-gaming applications for this sort of VR technology and excited for the future. Think of all the ways simulators are used not just for fun gaming times, but real world serious reasons: flight training, practising job tasks that are difficult to practise out in the field (space, military, engineering, medicine etc), practising and analysing sports data (I'm thinking of those virtual golf places where instead of hitting the balls onto a driving range, they hit a net with sensors indoors). People who struggle with agoraphobia, PTSD, or other mental/stress conditions that mean they would benefit from VR therapy to work on those issues.
VR goggled alone are usually a little expensive and require a bit of learning to utilise the best, so there are already VR arcades popping up around the place. I don't know if any of them have omnidirectional VR setups, but it would certainly be interesting.
Once the omnidirectional treadmill VR is mastered, the next step would be to make it easy to switch between treadmill and non-treadmill movement in the VR games (e.g. use buttons to move long distances, but jump back onto the treadmill during a fight scene). Maybe someone will use the Kinect movement tracking technology with the ODT to make a better system. Because if I need a break from Kinect gameplay, I can just hold my arm out to pause it and go sit down/walk away without having to unstrap myself and get down from a lubricated platform.
They should just make an adjustable shoe platforms of the same materials, with belt or velcro straps, that way it should be fittable for all shoe sizes and it'd be cheaper than making a whole pair of shoes for each omni.
The best video intro ever!!! Lmaooo I need one of these for Freeland VR, been playing the beta and it’s gotten me so excited about Vr all over again
I personally think that the future of VR locamotion should be the same as the game Tea for God. It uses the concept of 'impossible spaces' also known as non euclidean geometry to walk as far as you want in the game world to different places but all within your play area in reality. It really does trick your mind into thinking you've walked to lots of different places.
As someone who loves their Quest but has no place or need or knowledge about gaming PCs, I would buy a Quest-only Katwalk in a heartbeat no matter the price tag!
Full body harness being suspended in a gyro gimble would be the ultimate set imo. It needs to be like an exo suit with motors and whatnot to limit your movements. That combined with a haptic suit. Simulates acceleration and full freedom of movement.
So like a hamster ball? Maybe a hamster ball with a platform on the bottom, and running just pushes the plaform, rotating the ball (if that makes any sense lol)
@@shhinysilver1720 the issue with that is the floor wouldn't be flat. And you can't simulate other movements/environmental situations like swimming or be in zero g. No hamster ball with my theoretical setup.
I cant wait to see an ultra realistic vr game that is absolutely 100% fully immersed, like synthetic touch, taste, smell, sounds, and obviously sight. It will truly be a spectacle to see a war game or a RPG game that you can really believe that you yourself are in. When the day cycles in the games are synced to the real cycles and it will just be the perfect community to play all sorts of different games like they do today on PC or console. Even when there is simulated pain and hunger and all of the feelings that you are able to feel right now at this moment. I just simply cant wait for this kind of technology to come to be reality.
Edit: The Ready Player One tech for example.
I can imagine something like doom 3 VR or blood and truth being amazing with the KAT walk.
Now combine this with haptic or mo-cap suit or both and you will have the most top tier vr experience guaranteed.
VR tech like this would be immersive and physically beneficial. Get fit while you play. win win!
There’s gonna be a day where all games are vr, and things like this kinda proves it. There’s gonna be a day where when you fall, a device on something like a kat walk may hover you and make it really feel like you’re falling
In Dune they have to desert walk but it gets normal over time. Slide walking is equally valid as a way of locomotion and with games allowing different movement speeds etc it'd be even better
Love this reference!
Woww! All of this is super cool!! I love the idea of getting some sort of exercise while playing the games you love!!
Phenomenal video on presenting a breakthrough technology that further enhances our immersion into VR
this is starting to look more and more like those advanced gaming setups in Animes, LOVE IT
For swimming I guess we’ll just have to wait for the discovery of exotic matter(negative mass, not antimatter(maybe)) to make it comfortable
ok the catwalk c2 was insane and im saving up for one now but i think the video editing and music was just insane one of the best videos iv ever seen
Is it worth a $1000.00? the real answer is YES. Just compare this with a rtx 3080ti video card. See your getting more in the long run. Can't wait to see the 3rd version. Great video!!!!!
Exercising in VR is definitely looking more and more likely to happen in the future. Part of the reason I don’t workout as much as I’d like to is morale and interest. Something I personally want to overcome if want to loose weight.
When you can move in all directions 360 then you being truly are where you can do anything you want you can run you can jump you can do parkour you can do backflips you can swim you can dodge things effortlessly when you can bring something that happened then I think you got it good product far beyond what the imagination can control
It's a lot more affordable than I thought it'd be