I dont know where to put this in the discord, but you should keep using helldivers until youtube stops pushing it. It's just a shame that helldivers is being pushed so hard, seeing as it's never even close.
on the subject of defeating something stronger and scaling to that point, as a 9 year old child I decided to teach my mom's abusive boyfriend a lesson, this man was 6' 3", 250 lbs and well trained in martial arts, I knocked on his door and when he opened it, I smashed a baseball bat right up between the legs and continued striking him in that spot repeatedly for about 2 minutes. I definitely won that encounter, a few days later when he decided to teach me not to do that again, I found I had not in fact scaled to his strength level, and our second encounter did not go so well for me. Sorry folks but you do not just absorb the powers or power up when you defeat something stronger than yourself. Sometimes you just plan well or get lucky.
I’m same height but 100 pounds heavier and I’d have happily tagged in to rip that mofo a new one bud. That prick misused martial arts, something I appreciate for its self defense capabilities.
The Blades Of Chaos were stated to possess primal fire. It's possible that without the Greek gods, Greek magic dies. But primal fire is older than Greek magic.
in the lore if I remember if kratos goes outside of Greece the blades power becomes weaker but still strong and to go back to its strength he has to find materials that are equivalent and a blacksmith to forge them into his blades
@@evanleone8434 Lore accurately, no. The only reason you have to get Chaos Flames in the games to upgrade them is because it’s a video game and they needed you to have a sense of progression. The Blades are just as strong as they were from when he left Greece in God of War 3 because he was cursed to always have them with him by Ares. All of his other Greek magic/weapons just completely disappeared the moment he stepped out of Greece.
Just wanna chime in because you brought it up breifly and say that my only complaint about these videos IS the fact that i know how well someone is gonna do based on where they appear in the video, id much rather you more or less randomize the order and keep us guessing. (Just my 2 cents, love the videos)
I disagree. Subvert expectations isn’t always the best thing. Structure might be boring, but it’s a lot better than randomness because randomness is a hit or miss.
@notyourdad9548 I will agree that maybe leaving the best performer for last is a good idea, but for the start and middle of the pack I don't see an issue mixing it up
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The main thing that makes Dante and Vergil so hard to beat isn't their sheer strength, but their absurd speed and utterly broken regeneration. Prime examples of both include them briefly creating an open space in a rainstorm by cutting each individual raindrop with their sword swings (speed) and Vergil getting cut in half but regenerating so fast that he stays in one piece after the strike (think Life Fibers from Kill la Kill in terms of regen speed, if you're familiar).
Not to mention that they scale directly to people who are stronger than them, a power gap does not last very long to either of the sons of Sparda as they constantly one-up each other. And the scarier thing is, they are only half-demons... We have yet to truly see Sparda in action, we only have a lot of feats for him, but I'll be tripping if they don't make a DMC6 that lets us play as Sparda.
The notable demons they beat can definitely level or fuck up a city. Not being able to cut through the Kalina really just means he either wasn't trying to use its dimentional cleaving power or its something he has to actively do. Plus Lady is basically a shrine maiden, so there's probably some sort of protection going on there. Not to really say that is for sure what its like, the story just wouldnt be as cool of there wasn't tension/conflict the characters can't steanroll instantly
@@NintendoSegaGuys I'm personally convinced that they were planning a AW2, but the bad sales changed their plans and they released the DLC ending. The story doesn't really even make much sense with the spider possessing Asura's daughter at the end of the game, then suddenly giving her up literally minutes later and suddenly being like "nah, I was just testing YOU Asura."
In the case of DMC ranged weapons, considering they are imbued with the wielder's demonic power, that is actually the case. Like, the reason Dante never needs to reload is because he's basically just shooting things with his demonic energy instead of regular bullets.
You have made a contradiction with Ryu. You said he doesn’t get hit in his games but also say bullets are an issue. Canonically, Ryu has dealt with multiple military forces that use not only guns but vehicular weaponry. He has been shown to dodge bullets and missiles in DOA which is in his verse, outrun an explosion in the first game, and take on Alexei who controls lightning.
@@kennesu5345even if we were to take out in-game mechanics it just doesn’t make sense why he would go that route. Speed-wise, if Ryu can react to lightning and teleportation (which Alexei does), then he is more than capable of matching Vergil. This isn’t accounting for his physical strength either which puts him above both brothers in DMC3.
You guys have any idea what he's talking about when he says that Ryu doesn't think he can fight a group with rifles so he uses mist to kill them? Is he talking about Ninja gaiden 3?
@@Paurpretty sure that is the beginning of 3, yeah. And even in 3 he fights the spider tank and takes down a helicopter which have missiles and turrets.
@@FlashmanJW And if you want you can just bumrush through the fog and kill everyone anyway. And I don't recall any dialogue implying that Ryu was worried about facing a bunch of men with gun and needing help. Hell the guns aren't even the problem there, it's the multiple rockets being fired at you from offscreen. All you do is kill swaths and swaths of men with guns throughout the game, why would he suddenly be scared then.
13:30 the blades of chaos still work cause theyre not greek magic theyre inbued in primordial fire, surtur gave an explanation on it and i belive there was a few more
The problem with scaling characters like these is that a lot of hack and slash heroes don't have a ton of strength feats, they're more dexterity/skill based characters and because of their immense skill, they can take out enemies that are large building level and whatnot, but once you get to people with hacks, they have to be given anti hacks themselves like Dantes DT or ryus true dragon sword
Kratos, Bayonetta and Splatterhouse would like a word. The type of game isn’t relevant and it doesn’t create a problem. They either can do it or they can’t and if they can’t it doesn’t mean they can’t win. This is a “problem” scalers created for themselves because their rules for scaling are bafflingly stupid.
@rougarabid yeah, that's exactly my point. I was going after scalers there, these characters are some of my favorites in fiction but people grossly over estimate their abilities based on their anti hack stuff Also I said a lot, not all.
I can’t understand two think about Eve: 1) Where do you take the light speed thing from, I mean I want the explanation point for point (what creature, what attack etc). 2) When she become the elder naytiba by stabbing him
Eve is able to dodge and defeat enemies who use light based attacks and even fuses with Adam to become the elder naytiba,she does not stab him to become the elder naytiba
@@grantlangkamp1909 but he's still wrong about how bloodedge works... she only gets Elder Naytiba's power if she chose to merge with him. when she kills him, nothing happens but the extinction of pure humans. which makes his scaling about her getting stronger with every hit WAY off.
wonderful video, refreshing to see that people sees how blown out of proportions these characters scaling are, however, although i agree with the fact that samurai Jack can react to light. Isn't the case also with every other character? Also, Ryu does get barely damaged by bullets.
Yea I dunno what he's talking about with Ryu getting gunned down, bullets in NG3 serve to be little more than stun lock and death by a thousand cuts over the course of the level even on hardest difficulty. But if we go by game mechanics we could just say that Dante is weak because on DMD mode Dante takes massive damage from anything that hits.
Rouga would probably say none of them could survive it, depending on if he likes any of these characters or not. He wanks characters he likes as high as he possibly can, and nerfs any characters he doesn't into the ground.
Imo I think you downplayed Ryu by a great amount Ryu without even the Dragon Sword, easily defeated Bankotsubo in DOA2. He can go invisible, create afterimages during a vast amount of his moves, and even go against atleast planetary beings like Orochi and Susano'o in the Warriors Orochi games without TDS. Yes the Orochi games are canon because Koei Tecmo games all take place in the same universe for some reason. Ninja Gaiden, Nioh, and DOA are part of the same universe, and the seperate Dynasty Warriors and Samurai Warriors universes merge together into a seperate parallel universe because of Orochi, which made the Warriors Orochi games. The DOA/Ninja Gaiden universe was also part of the Warriors Orochi universe, and the portrayal of Ryu in those games is the Ninja Gaiden 2 variation, meaning that the retcon of TDS being able to only kill evil wouldnt apply to it because that was in Ninja Gaiden 3. Even then, if you do still use the retcon, TDS being able to kill evil is very vague. With TDS, Ryu can still kill normal Tairon soldiers. Considering the fact that Vergil has by the time of DMC3 done much worse things than these soldiers, you can argue it could kill Vergil. Even if not, the nature of Devil Trigger would likely be evil enough for the TDS to work. Even that half demonic blood would probably allow Ryu to kill Vergil with TDS. This is all also considering the fact that Ryu can dodge lightning, overcome multiple dopplegangers. He even point blank survived wn explosion from the Archfiend, and got out of it unscathed. Ryu was lowballed very badly in this video. Mountain levels, or Planetary levels are still lowballs, considering the TDS killed Vigoor, who was stronger than Gurdu, the creator of everything. Even if Ryu doesnt scale with TDS, which is still arguable because of the fact he could survive the Archfiend's self destruction, the TDS itself scales to Universal, and Vergil is beyond screwed if hes hit by it even one time considering the fact it'll negate Vergil's near instant regeneration. Ryu can also match Vergils speeds, because even by the time of NG1, Ryu already has lightspeed level feats, unlike Vergil, who has none of these during DMC3. One last thing. As you say alot of times in the video, Ryu apparently would die to guns (which is false) and has to dodge everything in his games otherwise he would apparently be one shot. That only contradicts your own argument because that would mean Ryu had to dodge Alexei's lightning, which he would have to be way faster than the speed needed to dodge a bullet. Vergil doesnt have any speed feats like this during dmc3, so Ryu is faster Anyways, if I sounded like a nerdy powerscaler, then thats my bad, other than that, great video.
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Crazy you completely abandoned Tekken for the sake of artistic expression and not being stuck doing one think but with hell divers capatlism completely takes over.. Rouga you are and enigma
I’m not tired of doing Helldivers and am enjoying making them. That’s the difference. It’s people who are telling me they want other stuff which I don’t mind doing but if I like doing both and one makes more money guess which I’m gonna do?
The Ryu downplay is absurd. He is shown in cutscenes to be able to deal eith guns and even lightning. Dead or Alive is also canon for Ryu, and in it his constantly moving faster than bullets. Your hate of scalers is affecting your scaling honestly
About Eve Dodging light based attacks =/= being faster than light. If someone points a flash light at your face and you turn your head away before they can turn the flashlight on, are you faster than light, or did you just anticipate they would do so and dodged it before hand? That's called precognition. Eve didnt become the Elder Naytiba by hitting him with blood edge, all blood edge does is absorb energy and convert it to beta and burst energy, it only charges her battery, it doesnt make her just as strong as whoever shes fighting and there's like no lore on Blood edge besides that it drains energy from its victims so idk where that assumption was gained from. Eve only becomes the Elder Naytiba in the ending where you agree to help Adam, since he's the last remaining "human" who still has his consciousness you agree to fuse together so that his human DNA can merge with an Andro Eidos creating a new human race. Eve hitting him with blood edge has nothing to do with her becoming the Elder Naytiba, in fact that's the ending where she DOESNT become the Elder Naytiba and you dont even have to fight him in the other one.
Jester makes it very clear that violence against the door wont work "Yoo-hoo! There's no need to use violence, devil boy. Oh wait wait wait wait wait. Better listen to what others have to say, lad. This tower here is very sturdy. You see? Your tricks will do no good, NO GOOD!" thats why dante didnt just brute force it open because it wouldnt have done shit Ladies rocket kinda did have the protection of plot as in the story dante is supposed to get it
Saying something is too sturdy for Dante to break doesn’t mean violence doesn’t work. I can say a brick wall is too sturdy for you to punch through it doesn’t mean it’s magically enchanted to be unbreakable. That’s head canon. Same goes for the bazooka. If your argument is excuses as to why he didn’t do something instead of evidence that he could you have no argument.
@rougarabid yeah expt for arkham aka jester knows his knowledge on the tower he pretty much knows everything about it. So when he says dante cant just use violence which btw the definition of violence is behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something. Than brute force wont work and this is something he says to a dante who was gonna try to blow up the door with a bunch of demonic bullets. The same dante who should be far stronger than someone like tony redgrave who could shatter a Stone giant into pieces and tony is the weakest version of dante as 1. He weakend from not using his original name which is you know dante and 2. It happens before dmc 3
@@pimpdemon9458 Return to my last comment the argument doesn’t change. You are still giving excuses as to why he didn’t do something rather than evidence of things he did proving any insane strength levels beyond what other characters here can do.
@@rougarabid the game litteraly tells you violence wont work the fuck do you mean by excuse if a guy who has done his research about temen ni gru tells you violence aka harming something wont work against the door than it wont work against the door. The entire point of the cutscene was to show dante cant just shoot the door to piece and he has to do something different which is why jester points at the generator
@@rougarabidusing your logic. If superman can't bust down an oak door because it was enchanted to only be able to open via a specific manner. Superman isn't oak door level? Even if before and after this interaction we've seen him do planetary level feats? (Just wanted to use generic example to explain how context of the interaction is important)
I thought Eve would be the underdog going into this but boy was I wrong, I also feel bad for anyone who didn't grow up watching Samurai Jack because that is one of if not *the* best Genndy cartoon.
Yeah, no. Rouga, as he does with every character and universe he goons to, blew her way out of proportion. Because Eve doesn't have any demonic energy or mystical/magical powers, she'd struggle to effectively hurt even the base-level demons in a way that they won't just get back up from at some point. Jack on the other hand, because his sword is anti-everything-evil, doesn't actually need to overcome the durability of a lot of the bosses, because the sword will basically just ignore it like it did with Aku.
I think when Freya explained that Kratos' powers are tied to his world she meant that the powers of the Greek Pantheon that influenced Greece are gone, and so were anything relating Kratos to them besides his natural strength and immortality, since he himself is a god but alot of his stuff came from the pantheon, the blades are completely different since they were made jot from Greek magic but from flames caught from the deepest pits of tartarus, something we see in Ragnarok to be similar to Surtr's Primordial Flame This also dunks on scalers' belief on Kratos being so strong because if he is cut off from all the op stuff he has in the old games that means he is even weaker now in the new ones, all the stuff he has that makes him strong came from other people's stuff similar to the items he gets in the old games
Shouldn’t Ryu be closer to Vergil since it’s basically a samurai versus a ninja? Vergil is half human half demon but Ryu is essentially the same. Half human half Fiend. Ryu can deflect bullets just like Vergil can, Ryu can use the Cicada surge wich is a teleport similar to Vergils teleport. They both wield legendary swords altough I haven’t seen the Dragon sword break like it did in Devil may cry 4. Ryu might not have regeneration but he’s got arguably something better, resurrection as show when he died against Doku and came back. Also I feel like his ninja tools and ninpo would give him the edge in overcoming many different bosses in Devil may cry 3 since each element has a weakness that does more damage depending on wich counter element you’re using (Agni & Rudra effective against the Cerberus boss)
3:07 Counterpoint, why doesn't Kratos just snap a chest open then during his gameplay, or push the stake in his chest that Ares plunged into his chest in GOW1 Didn't he grapple and chain a Hydra to a ship's mast in the prologue of the game? Or any character just cut through/destroy terrain? And some of those characters have a much higher base than the Sparda brothers, not all of them. 4:07 Vergil was weakened from fighting Dante on equal footing earlier, and besides, Lady is a misnomer to the fight, he did not want to kill Lady. He could have. Case in point, what was Jester then? He could've killed Jester if he was in top condition, Jester even admits as such.
@Creepsandwicheater Mimir said he thinks not even Thor with Mjolnir in hand couldn't get through that much ice. I admit, Mimir was on some bullshit when he said that, and it goes double when we just bust through the ice anyway. I'm in no way saying every little thing in the Norse games could be justified by a throwaway line of minor showing, at all. So yes, the "consistency" sure as hell remains, just not in the flagrant violent showings of the Greek games.
@joshcooper467 I was more making a joke about how he is using anti feats to massively scale down these characters. And how sometimes to make a narrative that functions, you need to scale down these universal+ characters. It'd be way too much work to make the ice instead some weird frozen realm so the characters just aren't going to be able to break it for plot. See also sun wukong being like the strongest thing ever but being trapped by a mountain.
Definitely a refreshing video given all the hyperbole and exaggerations involving most of these characters that you see tossed around. Would definitely be interested in being involved in discussion somehow. I actually do Teach IRL and my students do love these kinds of debates whenever they're brought up. Also, can definitely add a lot more in disfavor against Kratos. I've essentially seen a lot of the claims over the years and I've not been impressed.
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Nice video, but I have to say there are some explanations. (Of course, I respect that everyone has different cosmologies and the power scaling doesn't work) First of all, normal weapons touched by demons or half-demons in Devil May Cry become resistant as they imbue their power into those weapons, that's why Dante can defeat demons with a pool stick. The Blades of Chaos are made of primordial magic which is the power of creation of all realms, it's the same thing that the fire of Olympus or the tree of life were made of.
I don’t know what you’re arguing against with your first point. No that’s not true. The Blades of Chaos were made using the flames of Hades that is not Primordial Magic in fact a lot of magic made by gods were shown to be stronger than the magic of the primordials. Even if that was the case it wouldn’t explain how Kratos lost his magic as much of his magic comes from Primordials.
@@rougarabid His first point was talking about the way demons and the Sparda twins imbue their own individual demon power into their weapons to reinforce them, Dante can do the same with a cut feature from DMC4 called Dreadnought where Dante hardens his skin with demon essence.
@@rougarabid The swords were made in Hades, the metal, but they used the fire of the flame of Olympus which is primordial fire, the swords themselves do not have primordial power, but the fire of these does. The primordials created everything, they are the primordial soup that created everything, it is the source, the magic of Olympus is a byproduct of that land, so it would be the by-byproduct, let's say that Kratos has his own battery in the sword. Now the power that is a little confusing, the ability he has is not infinite damage (It's nonsense, we all know that already) his ability is that it is with primordial fire, he can damage everything. gods, mortals, souls, concepts, time, ect (It is better explained in the novel, but in itself it allows him to damage anything)
@grantlangkamp1909 Like so She has the Silver Samurais Mutant ability? Because He is able to generate a Tachyon field Around any blade he chooses (The voice Recognition thing I'm using said attack on Titan instead of Tachyon )
@ anyone who knows Eve and played Stellar Blade: we know. Also she only gets the Tachyon Blade in Tachy Mode; it is Blood Edge that is her actual assigned weapon by Mother Sphere. I mean she severs Raven’s spine with Raven’s own chill blade but leaves it behind- could have taken that too.. the point is Eve’s sword is Blood Edge she has it in her hair at all times regardless and throughout her campaign
@@CadenManley-w9u no she doesn’t. Tachy is her commander who has her arm severed at the start of the game. In the lore we’re given, Tachy was so good she earned the Tachyon Blade and likely is how she got the name. As a boss she uses our combos and her own; against us but on her defeat, she gives Eve her memorystick hoping she can he redeemed in the eyes of their creator. Lily is able to reverse-engineer this and it unlocks Tachy Mode where Eve gains a wing and all Tachy’s variations for a set period of time essentially Stellar Blade’s version of the Devil Trigger. During this Eve’s Blood Edge takes on the appearance of her friend’s Tachyon Sword.
I agree that Kratos is significantly weaker in the newer games Freya asked him about some of his old equipment and was shocked at how overpowered it sounded. Kratos had an amulet that could slow down or reverse time the Aesir and Vaneer don’t have anything on that level and that amulet isn’t even all that impressive compared to his actual weapons.
I actually believe you downplayed Vergil's speed. In the game if you use quicksilver against Vergil, although it will briefly stop him, after a couple of hits he'll just speed blitz out of it and continue attacking you regardless if quicksilver is still in affect or not. Canonically quicksilver is stopping time, not slowing it. Which means Vergil when he actually tries, is able to move through frozen time. That would technically mean he has incalculable speed.
I thought I was the only one who remembered this. Let's also not forget that in DT Vergil on the third fight has an old version of judgement cut end where he moves so fast it looks like he vanished completely sending attacks your way and negates Quicksilver entirely.
@@lightmohamed5700 I always saw it as Dante can amplify it if he wants to, making it so slow it stops eventually. It's nerfed during gameplay so it's not as overpowered as in the cutscene.
I didn't think to take into account how strong eve really is her blade itself is really overpowered but she got extremely lucky to get as far as she did if it wasn't for tachys sacrifice she would've died easily because her body was already damaged when she hit earth now kratos is definitely physically stronger but if she cuts him hundreds of times in a flash she'll quickly adapt and get his abilities like regeneration which is a big mega plus so her own blade is basically a living hax i never really thought about it like that plus if she faces kratos in her angelic form he has no chance she beyond light speed at that point even gods like hermes aint catching her
It’s shown in Ragnarok when Kratos and boy are in between Musphlheim and Niffleheim the valkyries sent after them are shown FLYING not using a portal heavily implying that is how they travel between realms. Cory has said many times video games are not meant for scaling because inconsistencies will happen. But a characters high end feats are who they are. AKA Kratos struggles opening chests but can flip nine realms. You’re being dense for dense sake.
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for some reason people have to play up there favorite characters. but for real. things can be cool with out being world ending powerful. sometimes that even makes them cooler.
You say that Vergil not being able to cut Lady's bazooka is a showing that he needs demonic energy in order for Yamato to cut space/time. Then how do you explain the beginning of DMC 5, when Vergil first takes the Yamato back from Nero, and uses it to open a portal back to him and Dante's childhood home, despite him at this point in the story being so tired and damaged that he's basically falling apart? Not trying to say you're wrong or right, just genuinely curious.
A lot of this scaling stuff is also made worse by Death Battle. I see so many people act like an entertainment show made by humans is some infallible evidence on a vs battle. Even if i do think they get it right on the outcomes.
Personally IMO, Kratos would wash the entire building….except when he gets to Vergil. I love Kratos and he is super powerful, but someone so fast like Vergil and almost as strong as Kratos would totally give him trouble and ask for payment.
There is one power up than will help to counter samurai jack speed, the ability to slow time. Dante learned how to do it from a battle with one of the demons and I don’t see why Vergil wouldn’t be able to do the same if he fights the horse wizard demon too.
We all know he's 98% wrong about how Eve's blade works right? Like almost everything he said about how her abilities was wrong. he even contradicted himself when talking about the outer space fight. Like everything he said about how bloodedge worked was wrong and basically made everything he said about her after ...WRONG....
How well would Samurai Jack survive Helldivers? Assuming Aku just tore open a portal into that far future on some planet already under assault from the Helldivers?
The writers of God of War also like to make excuses, that they "slow down" the fights and they're actually happening much faster or something. Well if that's the case, maybe they should write a better way of portraying that.
That’s ridiculous. I don’t get this new fad people have where they create a form of art and then get to say shit outside of that art and think that in any way alters the thing they made. We see the story of the game. We know what happens and why. What they say outside of it isn’t relevant.
I think that is because we're seeing it from Kratos point of view and for him moving super fast is normal so it looks normal but early in the game when you play as the boy and fight Heimdall he completely speed Belizes Atreus with ez
@@rougarabid Except it is. They are legit the writers of the story and have all authority to add clarification or rectons and that new info becomes the new canon. You're not the creator, so it is your say, so that's irrelevant, not the makers of the original art.
@@karmst1996 Death of the Author. Look it up. Also to be clear GOW has several creators who’s opinions on the series differ wildly. Clarification is fine. Outright saying the opposite of what the series shows is a different matter entirely.
Have you ever watched dragon ball z that's exactly how that works we see it because the show wants us to. Multiple characters mention that they can't follow the fights because of how fast they move.
Rouga talking to powerscalers "Quit ignoring shit that happens or is stated in the lore just so you can push whatever agenda you want to push about a character." Rouga talking about Norse Kratos "I am choosing to ignore what is stated and shown repeatedly to pretend this character is weaker because I don't like his arc."
Well, you’re half right. Forgetting one quote though. “ I will always go by Lore unless it directly contradicts something that happens in the story.” Thought I made that pretty clear.
Ryu has dodged bullets and blocked them through all of his games and if Ryu would die from anything to one hit then Ninja Gaiden would be unplayable for amateurs and only pro level no damage runners could play also in dead or alive he stops a fiend from regenerating by stabbing him also he has the ability to throw black holes at people and summon wind and use it to slice people in half and summon a fire dragon and phoenixes including having the ability to freeze people and charge energy from his mind and channel it through any weapon he uses
Temen ni gru may not even be concrete. It’s demon power so it’s hard to say how strong that is to judge Dante off of it. Plus Yamato splits universes and Dante survived being impaled by it. You gotta go in depth on DMC if you want to understand why he’s so insanely powerful.
No Yamato doesn’t split Universes. There’s only 1 universe in DMC. The human and Demon Worlds are one universe that were sealed away from each other. You can’t have a weapon that can destroy universes in a series with only one universe that’s never been destroyed. Dante surviving a stabbed from Yamato is no different than surviving a stab from any other weapon. Not sure why you think it does more damage.
Kratos, Loyd legend of Dragoon.Asura,Link,D from Darksiders 2,Kain from legacy of kain,Jaster Rogue Galaxy,Vincent Valentine Chaos Form,Prince of Persia Dark prince.Mabey Nariko with her special Sword.Fear 2 Villain.Talbain could almost get through Dmc because he has a high variety of Combo's. Scorpion can't be unalived & mabey Lu Kang fused with Raiden.Ganendorf.
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I've played stellar blade. Where did you see that Eve becomes the elder naytiba in the "bad" ending? Can you also confirm what you said about blood edge?
@sologamerbro999 the question that you answered wasn't a proper response. I specifically asked how Eve became the elder naytiba in the bad ending (the one where she kills adam)
Dude, how is Kratos NOT surviving this? I’m not saying he’s multiversal but that fight with Baldur showed what he can do and that was with just his own strength without armor AND the axe didn’t have any enchantments! He was able to take on Thor’s sons, he fought the valkyries! Yes, the game has the shitty cutscene thing where the gameplay is separate from the story but that shouldn’t take away from what he’s done. Even if you wanna bring speed into this, you can block those attacks when Baldur speeds up to hit you so Kratos is keeping up with him, what're you talking about? Sure, he fights with Atreus but Kratos is doing most of the damage. Kratos is surviving, the only question I have is whether he’d be able to get the devil weapons after he beats the bosses? I would love to see Kratos with that guitar or those talking dual blades XD. I do agree with the MK rant tho. Fuck the recent games!
@@rougarabid Dude, you’re downplaying him too much! Even when Baldur does that speed zig zag attack in the first fight, Kratos can still block it! In the Greek games Kratos was in no way faster than or in the same speed as Hermes but he still beat him. Dante isn’t faster than Virgil yet he does beat him in the end of the third game AND is still able to keep up with Virgil in the 5th game. Kratos got this and you’re just downplaying him.
@@mryoung6090 Maybe not in the first fight but there’s still the question if Kratos could get the devil weapons? Again, Dante was not faster than Virgil even at the last fight yet he still beat him.
@ Dante was pretty damn close to Vergil in terms of speed even in their first fight. Dante is way faster than Kratos so this isn’t really a good comparison either way.
Temple argument is like you’re in an elevator with Thors hammer apparently you also can pick up the hammer because you’re in the elevator. That’s not how it works so that yes that’s a dumb argument.
Yeah he's taking the tree and the temple as literal when they are infact not. The temple is both inside of the 9 realm but also holds the 9 realms inside of itself. The tree inside of the temple is yggdrasil in a literal sense as in the tree is literally housed there and all of the realms are inside of it.
Eve is in a league of her own hell if anything shes well above Dante and Vergil at the end of DMC5 like Dante can literally summon black holes at will and she would be able to body him and im a huge DMC fan and i know when hes outclassed i think the only edge he has is hed be flirting with Eve the whole time
hell no, post-Goddess Eve still beneath Dante in power terms. Dante is at multiversal scale post DMC 5, he's capable of slaying 2-C entities who are capables of creating life/universe, time paradox, and even against advanced precognition that could predicting upcoming future which will transpire. (in which the being witnessing Dante kills him in various ways on multiple timelines and all its attempts for tampering the outcomes has been negated). Eve even as a Godddess haven't reach the tip of sheer insanity shenanigans displayed by Dante.
Did this guy just say Norse Kratos isn’t the same guy as Greek Kratos 💀. Bro is just hating on Kratos for no reason. Since you said Kratos reason for losing is solely based on speed I’ll go over that. In the boss fights and against the enemies form Asgard there is the Bifrost moves where it shoots down from the sky in a beam motion. These same bifrost beams are able to travel all the way from Asgard to the different realms. The difference in space between the realms is greater than infinite since the gaps between the world tree branches are infinite in scope, transcending the one below it. So if these bifrost beams that are getting launched at Kratos are greater than infinite at least and Kratos is dodging it, then Kratos has bare minimum infinite speeds. Also based on Newton’s third law, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. For example if a guy pushes against a wall, then the force he is exerting is equal to the force being applied against him. So using this same logic, the world tree being able to house and contain infinite branches, which houses realms which are infinite in size, stacked on top of each other to infinity and beyond. So the Yggdrasil can’t just have tree or steel level durability cause it would collapse in on itself. So Kratos has at least multiversal strength and at least infinite speeds.
@@rougarabidI have better things to do with my time than debate you on stream. If you have a problem with my arguments then I I suggest you tell me the issue with them.
Get thousands of comments a week. Have better things to do with my time than reply to every one. Especially ones this long and with this many flaws. The stream will be there if you change your mind.
I am a firm reality denier, I believe in 9th dimensional Dante! But I do acknowledge that's just so he is a bit cooler in my head, conversations like these are much more interesting when it's not just "is he this fast? No? Well then he can't dodge a single thing and dies"
Will we be going back to Helldivers? You decide.
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I dont know where to put this in the discord, but you should keep using helldivers until youtube stops pushing it. It's just a shame that helldivers is being pushed so hard, seeing as it's never even close.
Hell yahoo no cry!!!
Yes 😊thank you
I joined this channel when you made “how many of these universes can survive the doom invasion”
All the way back when you checked if cyberpunk could.
I'm in that group that just wants anything vs. anything. You do you man.
What do you think about Aragami vs Nitiba
on the subject of defeating something stronger and scaling to that point, as a 9 year old child I decided to teach my mom's abusive boyfriend a lesson, this man was 6' 3", 250 lbs and well trained in martial arts, I knocked on his door and when he opened it, I smashed a baseball bat right up between the legs and continued striking him in that spot repeatedly for about 2 minutes. I definitely won that encounter, a few days later when he decided to teach me not to do that again, I found I had not in fact scaled to his strength level, and our second encounter did not go so well for me. Sorry folks but you do not just absorb the powers or power up when you defeat something stronger than yourself. Sometimes you just plan well or get lucky.
Oh damn dude. I hope you and your mother are away from him now.
What a waste of martial arts training if he can still hurt a child and a woman he's supposed to love. Unironically, stand proud, you're strong
I’m same height but 100 pounds heavier and I’d have happily tagged in to rip that mofo a new one bud. That prick misused martial arts, something I appreciate for its self defense capabilities.
Is this serious? Man if it is, i would've finished him off. Who will lock up a 9 year old?😂
@@bloodangel19 I GARUNTEE when you were 9 you didn't have the critical thinking skills to get away with murder I promise you
The Blades Of Chaos were stated to possess primal fire. It's possible that without the Greek gods, Greek magic dies. But primal fire is older than Greek magic.
Primordial fire. But yeah.
in the lore if I remember if kratos goes outside of Greece the blades power becomes weaker but still strong and to go back to its strength he has to find materials that are equivalent and a blacksmith to forge them into his blades
@@evanleone8434 Lore accurately, no. The only reason you have to get Chaos Flames in the games to upgrade them is because it’s a video game and they needed you to have a sense of progression. The Blades are just as strong as they were from when he left Greece in God of War 3 because he was cursed to always have them with him by Ares. All of his other Greek magic/weapons just completely disappeared the moment he stepped out of Greece.
Just wanna chime in because you brought it up breifly and say that my only complaint about these videos IS the fact that i know how well someone is gonna do based on where they appear in the video, id much rather you more or less randomize the order and keep us guessing. (Just my 2 cents, love the videos)
I disagree. Subvert expectations isn’t always the best thing. Structure might be boring, but it’s a lot better than randomness because randomness is a hit or miss.
Why would you want the best one to be first just to go to ones that get clobbered?
The structure is perfect.
@notyourdad9548 I will agree that maybe leaving the best performer for last is a good idea, but for the start and middle of the pack I don't see an issue mixing it up
Would These Medieval/Fantasy Characters Survive Game of Thrones?
-Aragon (Lord of the Rings)
-Apollyon (For Honor)
-Conan The Barbarian (Comics)
-Thorfinn (Vinland Saga)
Book Conan (I don't know about comic version) would be a lot of fun in a realistic world like Game of Thrones.
The chosen undead (Dark souls)
The tarnished (Elden ring)
Guts (Berserk )
Yo, i love this list!
Conan is definitely going to own GoT/ Asoiaf
The main thing that makes Dante and Vergil so hard to beat isn't their sheer strength, but their absurd speed and utterly broken regeneration. Prime examples of both include them briefly creating an open space in a rainstorm by cutting each individual raindrop with their sword swings (speed) and Vergil getting cut in half but regenerating so fast that he stays in one piece after the strike (think Life Fibers from Kill la Kill in terms of regen speed, if you're familiar).
Not to mention that they scale directly to people who are stronger than them, a power gap does not last very long to either of the sons of Sparda as they constantly one-up each other. And the scarier thing is, they are only half-demons... We have yet to truly see Sparda in action, we only have a lot of feats for him, but I'll be tripping if they don't make a DMC6 that lets us play as Sparda.
@@joshcooper467 they are until they get their true devil forms in dmc5.
The notable demons they beat can definitely level or fuck up a city. Not being able to cut through the Kalina really just means he either wasn't trying to use its dimentional cleaving power or its something he has to actively do. Plus Lady is basically a shrine maiden, so there's probably some sort of protection going on there. Not to really say that is for sure what its like, the story just wouldnt be as cool of there wasn't tension/conflict the characters can't steanroll instantly
The only game where anger does give a power-up that isn't bullshit is Asuras Wrath.
WHY CAPCOM! WHY U NO CONTINUE THIS GEM!?!?!?
I swear, they absolutely should’ve done a “complete edition” port for the current gen consoles and PC AT LEAST
@@mohamadalikoteich3865 Locking the true ending behind DLC is one of the dumbest moves in the history of gaming.
@@NintendoSegaGuys I'm personally convinced that they were planning a AW2, but the bad sales changed their plans and they released the DLC ending. The story doesn't really even make much sense with the spider possessing Asura's daughter at the end of the game, then suddenly giving her up literally minutes later and suddenly being like "nah, I was just testing YOU Asura."
Jack is pretty fast but he's not messing with Vergil's speed
He’s faster than Vergil.
@rougarabid Respectfully disagree But keep up the good work the rest of your Hypothericals are pretty accurate
@@rougarabid No the fuck he's not.
He dodges rays of light in the show and fights with enemies that shoot lasers at times
@@ItsChevnotJeff And Vergil is much faster than that.
Your rant about power scaling has been my thoughts to the TEE.
Scalers : I shot and killed an elephant with a sniper, therefore i am physically stronger than an elephant!
In the case of DMC ranged weapons, considering they are imbued with the wielder's demonic power, that is actually the case. Like, the reason Dante never needs to reload is because he's basically just shooting things with his demonic energy instead of regular bullets.
That's not the case. In DMC weapons are infused with your energy. If you're actively powering the sniper then you can kill an elephant with your power
You have made a contradiction with Ryu. You said he doesn’t get hit in his games but also say bullets are an issue. Canonically, Ryu has dealt with multiple military forces that use not only guns but vehicular weaponry. He has been shown to dodge bullets and missiles in DOA which is in his verse, outrun an explosion in the first game, and take on Alexei who controls lightning.
Yeah I truly can't rock with his take on Hayabusa 😂it just doesn't make sense if his only argument was avoiding bullets
@@kennesu5345even if we were to take out in-game mechanics it just doesn’t make sense why he would go that route. Speed-wise, if Ryu can react to lightning and teleportation (which Alexei does), then he is more than capable of matching Vergil. This isn’t accounting for his physical strength either which puts him above both brothers in DMC3.
You guys have any idea what he's talking about when he says that Ryu doesn't think he can fight a group with rifles so he uses mist to kill them? Is he talking about Ninja gaiden 3?
@@Paurpretty sure that is the beginning of 3, yeah.
And even in 3 he fights the spider tank and takes down a helicopter which have missiles and turrets.
@@FlashmanJW And if you want you can just bumrush through the fog and kill everyone anyway. And I don't recall any dialogue implying that Ryu was worried about facing a bunch of men with gun and needing help. Hell the guns aren't even the problem there, it's the multiple rockets being fired at you from offscreen. All you do is kill swaths and swaths of men with guns throughout the game, why would he suddenly be scared then.
Kratos is wilier then everyone thinks: He's now thinking with portals
Eve has enough ballistics to blast all of these protagonists out of existence
Survival Challenge: (Would these warriors survive Aku's Future?)
"It be an hour long video." Haha, like we would mind 😂
13:30 the blades of chaos still work cause theyre not greek magic theyre inbued in primordial fire, surtur gave an explanation on it and i belive there was a few more
The problem with scaling characters like these is that a lot of hack and slash heroes don't have a ton of strength feats, they're more dexterity/skill based characters and because of their immense skill, they can take out enemies that are large building level and whatnot, but once you get to people with hacks, they have to be given anti hacks themselves like Dantes DT or ryus true dragon sword
Kratos, Bayonetta and Splatterhouse would like a word. The type of game isn’t relevant and it doesn’t create a problem. They either can do it or they can’t and if they can’t it doesn’t mean they can’t win. This is a “problem” scalers created for themselves because their rules for scaling are bafflingly stupid.
@rougarabid yeah, that's exactly my point. I was going after scalers there, these characters are some of my favorites in fiction but people grossly over estimate their abilities based on their anti hack stuff
Also I said a lot, not all.
@@rougarabid have you thought of adding spawn into any of your videos?
@@rougarabid How does Kratos goes from beyond infinite multiverses to below a city? that doesn't make any sense
I can’t understand two think about Eve:
1) Where do you take the light speed thing from, I mean I want the explanation point for point (what creature, what attack etc).
2) When she become the elder naytiba by stabbing him
Eve is able to dodge and defeat enemies who use light based attacks and even fuses with Adam to become the elder naytiba,she does not stab him to become the elder naytiba
@@grantlangkamp1909 but he's still wrong about how bloodedge works... she only gets Elder Naytiba's power if she chose to merge with him. when she kills him, nothing happens but the extinction of pure humans. which makes his scaling about her getting stronger with every hit WAY off.
@@GhettoTendencies I haven't personally confirmed his claim myself,but it would explain her rapid growth in the game.
@@grantlangkamp1909 the body cores explained that, and Lilly unlocking her body through the story
wonderful video, refreshing to see that people sees how blown out of proportions these characters scaling are, however, although i agree with the fact that samurai Jack can react to light. Isn't the case also with every other character? Also, Ryu does get barely damaged by bullets.
Yea I dunno what he's talking about with Ryu getting gunned down, bullets in NG3 serve to be little more than stun lock and death by a thousand cuts over the course of the level even on hardest difficulty.
But if we go by game mechanics we could just say that Dante is weak because on DMD mode Dante takes massive damage from anything that hits.
heroes vs the boys universe. Ben 10, Danny phantom, generator Rex, Avatar, spiderman, ninja turtles.
Rouga would probably say none of them could survive it, depending on if he likes any of these characters or not. He wanks characters he likes as high as he possibly can, and nerfs any characters he doesn't into the ground.
Can you do the first infamous game survival challenge ?
Ooh having people with lightning/electricity based powers for this challenge like stormfront(the boys), denki(MHA), killua(HxH)
@@Yonkington yeah im ok with that
Imo I think you downplayed Ryu by a great amount
Ryu without even the Dragon Sword, easily defeated Bankotsubo in DOA2. He can go invisible, create afterimages during a vast amount of his moves, and even go against atleast planetary beings like Orochi and Susano'o in the Warriors Orochi games without TDS. Yes the Orochi games are canon because Koei Tecmo games all take place in the same universe for some reason. Ninja Gaiden, Nioh, and DOA are part of the same universe, and the seperate Dynasty Warriors and Samurai Warriors universes merge together into a seperate parallel universe because of Orochi, which made the Warriors Orochi games. The DOA/Ninja Gaiden universe was also part of the Warriors Orochi universe, and the portrayal of Ryu in those games is the Ninja Gaiden 2 variation, meaning that the retcon of TDS being able to only kill evil wouldnt apply to it because that was in Ninja Gaiden 3. Even then, if you do still use the retcon, TDS being able to kill evil is very vague. With TDS, Ryu can still kill normal Tairon soldiers. Considering the fact that Vergil has by the time of DMC3 done much worse things than these soldiers, you can argue it could kill Vergil. Even if not, the nature of Devil Trigger would likely be evil enough for the TDS to work. Even that half demonic blood would probably allow Ryu to kill Vergil with TDS.
This is all also considering the fact that Ryu can dodge lightning, overcome multiple dopplegangers. He even point blank survived wn explosion from the Archfiend, and got out of it unscathed. Ryu was lowballed very badly in this video. Mountain levels, or Planetary levels are still lowballs, considering the TDS killed Vigoor, who was stronger than Gurdu, the creator of everything. Even if Ryu doesnt scale with TDS, which is still arguable because of the fact he could survive the Archfiend's self destruction, the TDS itself scales to Universal, and Vergil is beyond screwed if hes hit by it even one time considering the fact it'll negate Vergil's near instant regeneration. Ryu can also match Vergils speeds, because even by the time of NG1, Ryu already has lightspeed level feats, unlike Vergil, who has none of these during DMC3. One last thing. As you say alot of times in the video, Ryu apparently would die to guns (which is false) and has to dodge everything in his games otherwise he would apparently be one shot. That only contradicts your own argument because that would mean Ryu had to dodge Alexei's lightning, which he would have to be way faster than the speed needed to dodge a bullet. Vergil doesnt have any speed feats like this during dmc3, so Ryu is faster
Anyways, if I sounded like a nerdy powerscaler, then thats my bad, other than that, great video.
Vergil would at the very least be very pissed off with the existence of Eve. Given that he made it his mission to become a full-fledged demon.
Could vigilantes like Daredevil, Batman or Punisher
Or
Criminals like John Wick or Dexter Morgan
survive in Roanapur (Black Lagoon)?
Welcome one of the few fictional place that makes Gotham look like in kindergarten
Crazy you completely abandoned Tekken for the sake of artistic expression and not being stuck doing one think but with hell divers capatlism completely takes over.. Rouga you are and enigma
I’m not tired of doing Helldivers and am enjoying making them. That’s the difference. It’s people who are telling me they want other stuff which I don’t mind doing but if I like doing both and one makes more money guess which I’m gonna do?
@@rougarabid you did like 5 Tekken videos how'd you get tired :\
The Ryu downplay is absurd. He is shown in cutscenes to be able to deal eith guns and even lightning. Dead or Alive is also canon for Ryu, and in it his constantly moving faster than bullets.
Your hate of scalers is affecting your scaling honestly
You should do a video based on bayonetta
About Eve
Dodging light based attacks =/= being faster than light.
If someone points a flash light at your face and you turn your head away before they can turn the flashlight on, are you faster than light, or did you just anticipate they would do so and dodged it before hand?
That's called precognition.
Eve didnt become the Elder Naytiba by hitting him with blood edge, all blood edge does is absorb energy and convert it to beta and burst energy, it only charges her battery, it doesnt make her just as strong as whoever shes fighting and there's like no lore on Blood edge besides that it drains energy from its victims so idk where that assumption was gained from.
Eve only becomes the Elder Naytiba in the ending where you agree to help Adam, since he's the last remaining "human" who still has his consciousness you agree to fuse together so that his human DNA can merge with an Andro Eidos creating a new human race. Eve hitting him with blood edge has nothing to do with her becoming the Elder Naytiba, in fact that's the ending where she DOESNT become the Elder Naytiba and you dont even have to fight him in the other one.
Would these characters survive Berserk?
Kratos (Greek version)
Ghost Rider (Comic version)
Wolverine (Comic version)
Dante Alighieri (Dante’s Inferno game)
Jester makes it very clear that violence against the door wont work "Yoo-hoo! There's no need to use violence, devil boy. Oh wait wait wait wait wait. Better listen to what others have to say, lad. This tower here is very sturdy. You see? Your tricks will do no good, NO GOOD!" thats why dante didnt just brute force it open because it wouldnt have done shit
Ladies rocket kinda did have the protection of plot as in the story dante is supposed to get it
Saying something is too sturdy for Dante to break doesn’t mean violence doesn’t work. I can say a brick wall is too sturdy for you to punch through it doesn’t mean it’s magically enchanted to be unbreakable. That’s head canon.
Same goes for the bazooka. If your argument is excuses as to why he didn’t do something instead of evidence that he could you have no argument.
@rougarabid yeah expt for arkham aka jester knows his knowledge on
the tower he pretty much knows everything about it. So when he says dante cant just use violence which btw the definition of violence is behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something. Than brute force wont work and this is something he says to a dante who was gonna try to blow up the door with a bunch of demonic bullets. The same dante who should be far stronger than someone like tony redgrave who could shatter a Stone giant into pieces and tony is the weakest version of dante as 1. He weakend from not using his original name which is you know dante and 2. It happens before dmc 3
@@pimpdemon9458 Return to my last comment the argument doesn’t change. You are still giving excuses as to why he didn’t do something rather than evidence of things he did proving any insane strength levels beyond what other characters here can do.
@@rougarabid the game litteraly tells you violence wont work the fuck do you mean by excuse if a guy who has done his research about temen ni gru tells you violence aka harming something wont work against the door than it wont work against the door. The entire point of the cutscene was to show dante cant just shoot the door to piece and he has to do something different which is why jester points at the generator
@@rougarabidusing your logic. If superman can't bust down an oak door because it was enchanted to only be able to open via a specific manner. Superman isn't oak door level? Even if before and after this interaction we've seen him do planetary level feats?
(Just wanted to use generic example to explain how context of the interaction is important)
I thought Eve would be the underdog going into this but boy was I wrong, I also feel bad for anyone who didn't grow up watching Samurai Jack because that is one of if not *the* best Genndy cartoon.
Yeah, no. Rouga, as he does with every character and universe he goons to, blew her way out of proportion. Because Eve doesn't have any demonic energy or mystical/magical powers, she'd struggle to effectively hurt even the base-level demons in a way that they won't just get back up from at some point. Jack on the other hand, because his sword is anti-everything-evil, doesn't actually need to overcome the durability of a lot of the bosses, because the sword will basically just ignore it like it did with Aku.
Destroying cities part comes from the first DMC,I wanna say that dragon move when you fight Mundus, is where they get that info on Dante.
13:59 you saying that like we wouldn’t watch it
I think when Freya explained that Kratos' powers are tied to his world she meant that the powers of the Greek Pantheon that influenced Greece are gone, and so were anything relating Kratos to them besides his natural strength and immortality, since he himself is a god but alot of his stuff came from the pantheon, the blades are completely different since they were made jot from Greek magic but from flames caught from the deepest pits of tartarus, something we see in Ragnarok to be similar to Surtr's Primordial Flame
This also dunks on scalers' belief on Kratos being so strong because if he is cut off from all the op stuff he has in the old games that means he is even weaker now in the new ones, all the stuff he has that makes him strong came from other people's stuff similar to the items he gets in the old games
Yes however Kratos got all that shit by himself and took them all and stole it.
Cool however kratos it has been canonically stated by the devs and creators of God of War that he is stronger than his past self
3:16 it's because of magic he can't break that door
I like this challenge of swapping protagonists. This should be done with someone taking the place of the OG doom marine throughout the doom series.
A fun one would be an Arkham survival challenge with robocop, judge dredd and maybe two other cops. I just wanna see those two
Not a Hell diver video? Damn, I am shocked, confused and bamboozled.
Shouldn’t Ryu be closer to Vergil since it’s basically a samurai versus a ninja? Vergil is half human half demon but Ryu is essentially the same. Half human half Fiend. Ryu can deflect bullets just like Vergil can, Ryu can use the Cicada surge wich is a teleport similar to Vergils teleport. They both wield legendary swords altough I haven’t seen the Dragon sword break like it did in Devil may cry 4. Ryu might not have regeneration but he’s got arguably something better, resurrection as show when he died against Doku and came back. Also I feel like his ninja tools and ninpo would give him the edge in overcoming many different bosses in Devil may cry 3 since each element has a weakness that does more damage depending on wich counter element you’re using (Agni & Rudra effective against the Cerberus boss)
Ryu's not half fiend. He was cursed to become one in NG1, but he cured himself at the end of the game.
@ Doku litteraly says there’s Fiend blood running in his veins
Would Malenia from Elden Ring Survive Devil May Cry 3?
Messages aren’t mixed rouga we watch all your shit 😂😂😂😂
3:07 Counterpoint, why doesn't Kratos just snap a chest open then during his gameplay, or push the stake in his chest that Ares plunged into his chest in GOW1 Didn't he grapple and chain a Hydra to a ship's mast in the prologue of the game? Or any character just cut through/destroy terrain? And some of those characters have a much higher base than the Sparda brothers, not all of them.
4:07 Vergil was weakened from fighting Dante on equal footing earlier, and besides, Lady is a misnomer to the fight, he did not want to kill Lady. He could have. Case in point, what was Jester then? He could've killed Jester if he was in top condition, Jester even admits as such.
I mean he said kratos and thor weren't even sheet of ice level so at least he is consistent lol.
@Creepsandwicheater Mimir said he thinks not even Thor with Mjolnir in hand couldn't get through that much ice. I admit, Mimir was on some bullshit when he said that, and it goes double when we just bust through the ice anyway. I'm in no way saying every little thing in the Norse games could be justified by a throwaway line of minor showing, at all. So yes, the "consistency" sure as hell remains, just not in the flagrant violent showings of the Greek games.
@joshcooper467 I was more making a joke about how he is using anti feats to massively scale down these characters. And how sometimes to make a narrative that functions, you need to scale down these universal+ characters. It'd be way too much work to make the ice instead some weird frozen realm so the characters just aren't going to be able to break it for plot. See also sun wukong being like the strongest thing ever but being trapped by a mountain.
@@joshcooper467mimer underestimates the asir he did it with odin
Kratos was dying to be fair
Would Raiden from Metal Gear Solid be a consideration?
But...shitting on scalers makes my day.
Definitely a refreshing video given all the hyperbole and exaggerations involving most of these characters that you see tossed around. Would definitely be interested in being involved in discussion somehow. I actually do Teach IRL and my students do love these kinds of debates whenever they're brought up.
Also, can definitely add a lot more in disfavor against Kratos. I've essentially seen a lot of the claims over the years and I've not been impressed.
How well would Asura from Asura's Wrath do in this scenario?
Video Idea: Could these mercenaries survive Cyberpunk 2077/Night City
Would these Villains
(Sonic) Dr Eggman
(Megaman) Dr Wily
(Mario) Bowser
(Ratchet & Clank) Dr Nefarious
(Crash Bandicoot) Doctor Neo Cortex
(Jak and Daxter) Gol Acheron
Survive Skylanders
Rouga!!
Loved it!
(Yo, I dig the Helldivers stuff, it was just ...a lot of it. Not hating on the money though. 🤑)
Nice video, but I have to say there are some explanations. (Of course, I respect that everyone has different cosmologies and the power scaling doesn't work)
First of all, normal weapons touched by demons or half-demons in Devil May Cry become resistant as they imbue their power into those weapons, that's why Dante can defeat demons with a pool stick.
The Blades of Chaos are made of primordial magic which is the power of creation of all realms, it's the same thing that the fire of Olympus or the tree of life were made of.
I don’t know what you’re arguing against with your first point.
No that’s not true. The Blades of Chaos were made using the flames of Hades that is not Primordial Magic in fact a lot of magic made by gods were shown to be stronger than the magic of the primordials. Even if that was the case it wouldn’t explain how Kratos lost his magic as much of his magic comes from Primordials.
@@rougarabid His first point was talking about the way demons and the Sparda twins imbue their own individual demon power into their weapons to reinforce them, Dante can do the same with a cut feature from DMC4 called Dreadnought where Dante hardens his skin with demon essence.
@@rougarabid The swords were made in Hades, the metal, but they used the fire of the flame of Olympus which is primordial fire, the swords themselves do not have primordial power, but the fire of these does. The primordials created everything, they are the primordial soup that created everything, it is the source, the magic of Olympus is a byproduct of that land, so it would be the by-byproduct, let's say that Kratos has his own battery in the sword.
Now the power that is a little confusing, the ability he has is not infinite damage (It's nonsense, we all know that already) his ability is that it is with primordial fire, he can damage everything. gods, mortals, souls, concepts, time, ect (It is better explained in the novel, but in itself it allows him to damage anything)
I'm surprised you didn't mention tachy's blade, which Eve has, which can cut through almost anything because it utilizes tachyon particles
honestly, my girl Eve is OP enough on her own though Rouga did touch on that as it was via Tachy's memorystick that Eve learns her moves and abilities
@claudijatzandrapova3347 but he didn't specifically mention it
@grantlangkamp1909 Like so She has the Silver Samurais Mutant ability? Because He is able to generate a Tachyon field Around any blade he chooses
(The voice Recognition thing I'm using said attack on Titan instead of Tachyon )
@ anyone who knows Eve and played Stellar Blade: we know. Also she only gets the Tachyon Blade in Tachy Mode; it is Blood Edge that is her actual assigned weapon by Mother Sphere. I mean she severs Raven’s spine with Raven’s own chill blade but leaves it behind- could have taken that too.. the point is Eve’s sword is Blood Edge she has it in her hair at all times regardless and throughout her campaign
@@CadenManley-w9u no she doesn’t. Tachy is her commander who has her arm severed at the start of the game. In the lore we’re given, Tachy was so good she earned the Tachyon Blade and likely is how she got the name. As a boss she uses our combos and her own; against us but on her defeat, she gives Eve her memorystick hoping she can he redeemed in the eyes of their creator. Lily is able to reverse-engineer this and it unlocks Tachy Mode where Eve gains a wing and all Tachy’s variations for a set period of time essentially Stellar Blade’s version of the Devil Trigger. During this Eve’s Blood Edge takes on the appearance of her friend’s Tachyon Sword.
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Question 🙋
is it possible that ryu’s sword could be cut or break trying to clash with the Yamato???
I agree that Kratos is significantly weaker in the newer games Freya asked him about some of his old equipment and was shocked at how overpowered it sounded. Kratos had an amulet that could slow down or reverse time the Aesir and Vaneer don’t have anything on that level and that amulet isn’t even all that impressive compared to his actual weapons.
Except you'd be ignoring cannon by saying that. He's legit significantly stronger than his past self it has literally been stated by the creators
The lack of Bayonetta is disheartening
One man's helldiver is my heavendiver okay, I like the helldiver videos
I actually believe you downplayed Vergil's speed. In the game if you use quicksilver against Vergil, although it will briefly stop him, after a couple of hits he'll just speed blitz out of it and continue attacking you regardless if quicksilver is still in affect or not. Canonically quicksilver is stopping time, not slowing it. Which means Vergil when he actually tries, is able to move through frozen time. That would technically mean he has incalculable speed.
I thought I was the only one who remembered this. Let's also not forget that in DT Vergil on the third fight has an old version of judgement cut end where he moves so fast it looks like he vanished completely sending attacks your way and negates Quicksilver entirely.
It says slow down time not stopping it
@@lightmohamed5700 that's the description, but when you look at the cutscene where you obtain it, time is very clearly frozen,
@5h0ckblock it's so slow it APPEARS to be stopping not that it's actually frozen you can even see it move very slowly if you pay attention
@@lightmohamed5700 I always saw it as Dante can amplify it if he wants to, making it so slow it stops eventually. It's nerfed during gameplay so it's not as overpowered as in the cutscene.
one thing I don't like about eves blood edge. Is that it doesn't work all the time...there are two zones that it don't work in
I didn't think to take into account how strong eve really is her blade itself is really overpowered but she got extremely lucky to get as far as she did if it wasn't for tachys sacrifice she would've died easily because her body was already damaged when she hit earth now kratos is definitely physically stronger but if she cuts him hundreds of times in a flash she'll quickly adapt and get his abilities like regeneration which is a big mega plus so her own blade is basically a living hax i never really thought about it like that plus if she faces kratos in her angelic form he has no chance she beyond light speed at that point even gods like hermes aint catching her
"The most Bangable defense force"
Me: "Have you ever faced an Asari commando? Few do and live to tell the tale."
It’s shown in Ragnarok when Kratos and boy are in between Musphlheim and Niffleheim the valkyries sent after them are shown FLYING not using a portal heavily implying that is how they travel between realms. Cory has said many times video games are not meant for scaling because inconsistencies will happen. But a characters high end feats are who they are. AKA Kratos struggles opening chests but can flip nine realms. You’re being dense for dense sake.
Your right on the power scalers its all bs
Survival challenge: would these immortals survive Highlander? Manji (blade of the immortal), Wolverine, Dorian Gray, Hob Gadling (Sandman), Ra’s Al Ghul, Jack Harkness…
If all you need is views about devil may cry I will re watch this throughout the day. Dmc is one of my favorite universes
for some reason people have to play up there favorite characters. but for real. things can be cool with out being world ending powerful. sometimes that even makes them cooler.
battlefield 1 soldiers vs chivalry 2 soldiers
Just gonna say now: I’m back because it’s not a helldivers video 😂
You say that Vergil not being able to cut Lady's bazooka is a showing that he needs demonic energy in order for Yamato to cut space/time. Then how do you explain the beginning of DMC 5, when Vergil first takes the Yamato back from Nero, and uses it to open a portal back to him and Dante's childhood home, despite him at this point in the story being so tired and damaged that he's basically falling apart? Not trying to say you're wrong or right, just genuinely curious.
I am here to selfishly ask for the automatons vs 40k space marine’s or the Helldivers vs EDF
Day 2 of asking for a video about if different vampire hunters would survive JoJo bizarre adventures part 1 and 2
A lot of this scaling stuff is also made worse by Death Battle. I see so many people act like an entertainment show made by humans is some infallible evidence on a vs battle. Even if i do think they get it right on the outcomes.
Personally IMO, Kratos would wash the entire building….except when he gets to Vergil. I love Kratos and he is super powerful, but someone so fast like Vergil and almost as strong as Kratos would totally give him trouble and ask for payment.
There is one power up than will help to counter samurai jack speed, the ability to slow time. Dante learned how to do it from a battle with one of the demons and I don’t see why Vergil wouldn’t be able to do the same if he fights the horse wizard demon too.
I thought Thor hit the snake and that's when the snake went back in time that's what it looked like in the game
We all know he's 98% wrong about how Eve's blade works right? Like almost everything he said about how her abilities was wrong. he even contradicted himself when talking about the outer space fight. Like everything he said about how bloodedge worked was wrong and basically made everything he said about her after ...WRONG....
Canonically, nothing should survive Vergil. Yamato is stated to be able to slice through reality itself, after all.
13:46 Didn't Brok call it out when Kratos 1st wields them saying they ,"Reek of Foriegn Magic"?
Sure did.
Yes primordial fire that's attached to that world it is not the same magic that zues and the pantheon uses.
How well would Samurai Jack survive Helldivers? Assuming Aku just tore open a portal into that far future on some planet already under assault from the Helldivers?
How well would pro wrestlers do in Street Fighter?
You should do more devil may cry and resident evil related videos.
The writers of God of War also like to make excuses, that they "slow down" the fights and they're actually happening much faster or something.
Well if that's the case, maybe they should write a better way of portraying that.
That’s ridiculous. I don’t get this new fad people have where they create a form of art and then get to say shit outside of that art and think that in any way alters the thing they made. We see the story of the game. We know what happens and why. What they say outside of it isn’t relevant.
I think that is because we're seeing it from Kratos point of view and for him moving super fast is normal so it looks normal but early in the game when you play as the boy and fight Heimdall he completely speed Belizes Atreus with ez
@@rougarabid Except it is. They are legit the writers of the story and have all authority to add clarification or rectons and that new info becomes the new canon. You're not the creator, so it is your say, so that's irrelevant, not the makers of the original art.
@@karmst1996 Death of the Author. Look it up. Also to be clear GOW has several creators who’s opinions on the series differ wildly.
Clarification is fine. Outright saying the opposite of what the series shows is a different matter entirely.
Have you ever watched dragon ball z that's exactly how that works we see it because the show wants us to. Multiple characters mention that they can't follow the fights because of how fast they move.
15:47 we see him pick up a large rock with argobota (I don’t know how to spell her name)
Angrböda in the real world Norse. I think Santa Monica butchered this by spelling it Angerboda or similar...
DMC Universe Vs Doom Universe
Rouga talking to powerscalers "Quit ignoring shit that happens or is stated in the lore just so you can push whatever agenda you want to push about a character."
Rouga talking about Norse Kratos "I am choosing to ignore what is stated and shown repeatedly to pretend this character is weaker because I don't like his arc."
Well, you’re half right. Forgetting one quote though.
“ I will always go by Lore unless it directly contradicts something that happens in the story.”
Thought I made that pretty clear.
@@rougarabidwhat if something happens in the story that completely contradicts established lore?
Ryu has dodged bullets and blocked them through all of his games and if Ryu would die from anything to one hit then Ninja Gaiden would be unplayable for amateurs and only pro level no damage runners could play also in dead or alive he stops a fiend from regenerating by stabbing him also he has the ability to throw black holes at people and summon wind and use it to slice people in half and summon a fire dragon and phoenixes including having the ability to freeze people and charge energy from his mind and channel it through any weapon he uses
Temen ni gru may not even be concrete. It’s demon power so it’s hard to say how strong that is to judge Dante off of it. Plus Yamato splits universes and Dante survived being impaled by it. You gotta go in depth on DMC if you want to understand why he’s so insanely powerful.
No Yamato doesn’t split Universes. There’s only 1 universe in DMC. The human and Demon Worlds are one universe that were sealed away from each other. You can’t have a weapon that can destroy universes in a series with only one universe that’s never been destroyed. Dante surviving a stabbed from Yamato is no different than surviving a stab from any other weapon. Not sure why you think it does more damage.
Kratos, Loyd legend of Dragoon.Asura,Link,D from Darksiders 2,Kain from legacy of kain,Jaster Rogue Galaxy,Vincent Valentine Chaos Form,Prince of Persia Dark prince.Mabey Nariko with her special Sword.Fear 2 Villain.Talbain could almost get through Dmc because he has a high variety of Combo's. Scorpion can't be unalived & mabey Lu Kang fused with Raiden.Ganendorf.
Also Ryu Hyabusa.
& Sol Badguy.
I have some characters to use for a potential part 2. All the tmnt dealers choice of which version. Jetstream sam. Hellboy. Hero of time link. Cloud Strife.Afro samurai
Yo bro! Please Do Can these Demon Hunters Surivive in the Berserk Universe!
Hey man, I'm only one person. I can't rescue us from Democracy.
Edit: Yeah, Juliet isnt getting that far.
I've played stellar blade. Where did you see that Eve becomes the elder naytiba in the "bad" ending? Can you also confirm what you said about blood edge?
She becomes the elder by fusing with Adam.
@sologamerbro999 I'm aware. Did you understand my questions?
@@grantlangkamp1909 you asked where did you dee that eve becomes the elder, and I answerd your question
@sologamerbro999 the question that you answered wasn't a proper response. I specifically asked how Eve became the elder naytiba in the bad ending (the one where she kills adam)
@@grantlangkamp1909 in the ending where she kills adam? She dosent become the elder.
I wish it was another helldivers video
Dude, how is Kratos NOT surviving this? I’m not saying he’s multiversal but that fight with Baldur showed what he can do and that was with just his own strength without armor AND the axe didn’t have any enchantments! He was able to take on Thor’s sons, he fought the valkyries! Yes, the game has the shitty cutscene thing where the gameplay is separate from the story but that shouldn’t take away from what he’s done. Even if you wanna bring speed into this, you can block those attacks when Baldur speeds up to hit you so Kratos is keeping up with him, what're you talking about? Sure, he fights with Atreus but Kratos is doing most of the damage. Kratos is surviving, the only question I have is whether he’d be able to get the devil weapons after he beats the bosses? I would love to see Kratos with that guitar or those talking dual blades XD.
I do agree with the MK rant tho. Fuck the recent games!
I stated why he’s losing. He’s too slow. None of your points support that he’s faster than I said he was.
@@rougarabid Dude, you’re downplaying him too much! Even when Baldur does that speed zig zag attack in the first fight, Kratos can still block it! In the Greek games Kratos was in no way faster than or in the same speed as Hermes but he still beat him.
Dante isn’t faster than Virgil yet he does beat him in the end of the third game AND is still able to keep up with Virgil in the 5th game. Kratos got this and you’re just downplaying him.
@@GunthersLoyalSoldier1307I love Kratos but he is in no way enough to keep up with Vergil
@@mryoung6090 Maybe not in the first fight but there’s still the question if Kratos could get the devil weapons? Again, Dante was not faster than Virgil even at the last fight yet he still beat him.
@ Dante was pretty damn close to Vergil in terms of speed even in their first fight. Dante is way faster than Kratos so this isn’t really a good comparison either way.
Temple argument is like you’re in an elevator with Thors hammer apparently you also can pick up the hammer because you’re in the elevator. That’s not how it works so that yes that’s a dumb argument.
Yeah he's taking the tree and the temple as literal when they are infact not. The temple is both inside of the 9 realm but also holds the 9 realms inside of itself. The tree inside of the temple is yggdrasil in a literal sense as in the tree is literally housed there and all of the realms are inside of it.
Are you gonna do the events of all the games? That would be awesome.
Depends how the video does. So far, not well.
Eve is in a league of her own hell if anything shes well above Dante and Vergil at the end of DMC5 like Dante can literally summon black holes at will and she would be able to body him and im a huge DMC fan and i know when hes outclassed i think the only edge he has is hed be flirting with Eve the whole time
hell no, post-Goddess Eve still beneath Dante in power terms. Dante is at multiversal scale post DMC 5, he's capable of slaying 2-C entities who are capables of creating life/universe, time paradox, and even against advanced precognition that could predicting upcoming future which will transpire. (in which the being witnessing Dante kills him in various ways on multiple timelines and all its attempts for tampering the outcomes has been negated). Eve even as a Godddess haven't reach the tip of sheer insanity shenanigans displayed by Dante.
Did this guy just say Norse Kratos isn’t the same guy as Greek Kratos 💀. Bro is just hating on Kratos for no reason. Since you said Kratos reason for losing is solely based on speed I’ll go over that. In the boss fights and against the enemies form Asgard there is the Bifrost moves where it shoots down from the sky in a beam motion. These same bifrost beams are able to travel all the way from Asgard to the different realms. The difference in space between the realms is greater than infinite since the gaps between the world tree branches are infinite in scope, transcending the one below it. So if these bifrost beams that are getting launched at Kratos are greater than infinite at least and Kratos is dodging it, then Kratos has bare minimum infinite speeds. Also based on Newton’s third law, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. For example if a guy pushes against a wall, then the force he is exerting is equal to the force being applied against him. So using this same logic, the world tree being able to house and contain infinite branches, which houses realms which are infinite in size, stacked on top of each other to infinity and beyond. So the Yggdrasil can’t just have tree or steel level durability cause it would collapse in on itself. So Kratos has at least multiversal strength and at least infinite speeds.
You want to debate come to a stream and we’ll do it live. If you choose to I suggest you get better arguments.
@@rougarabidI have better things to do with my time than debate you on stream. If you have a problem with my arguments then I I suggest you tell me the issue with them.
Get thousands of comments a week. Have better things to do with my time than reply to every one. Especially ones this long and with this many flaws. The stream will be there if you change your mind.
@@rougarabidthat’s fair. If I change my mind I’ll see you at the stream.
@@rougarabidyou got cooked 😂😂😂
I am a firm reality denier, I believe in 9th dimensional Dante! But I do acknowledge that's just so he is a bit cooler in my head, conversations like these are much more interesting when it's not just "is he this fast? No? Well then he can't dodge a single thing and dies"
I wanna be swimming in DMC
Finally, it's my time