Owned 50 plus cars in my 53 years starting with Ford Capri 2.8i’s and Sierra Cosworths in the 90’s. Bought my first new M140 in 2017 after owning a few E46 330 Couoes and then E46 M3’s. I got my first M140i new and fell in love with it but sold it to get the M2 OG and then regretted it so went back to another 140. I then went for the M2C to see if the better M2 would make sense. I owned it for a year and then got rid as I missed having a 140. Now back in another 140 and with a few suspension mode you can get a capable car that punches above its weight. Yes, I can afford the M2C and similar marques but I don’t feel like I’m missing out when the 140 is so good. The only issue now is finding a good one.
That’s a great story Brian!! What a car history, eh? You’re not wrong about finding a good one. I like to think mine would be a ‘good one’ as I have fixed the bad or weak points of the car. I’m surprised you missed the M140i having an M2C. I guess there’s something cool about having a non M car that punches above its weight with some light suspension mods, plus the B58 is a dream, and it’s practical!
@@roadreg1820 Reg, the M2C is brilliant but there’s something about the 140 that I can’t put my finger on. Recently test drove the M340i Xdrive but it’s so clinical and literally drives you instead of the other way around if that makes sense. As you say, some suspension mods and it kind of comes together. I reckon if the 140 had come from factory with a more uprated suspension and LSD, the thinking person would have passed on the full fat M and gone M lite thus affecting M sales hence why they left it a bit soft so to speak. 3 door 2018 manual Shadow here with Pro Nav, adaptive suspension and many extras. Keep up the content 👍
The GTI is nice for what it is and has a lot of Heritage, obviously made better from what your mate has done to his but for me, I'd have my M140i all day everyday... Plus how many cars with around 370hp do you know that can give you 37-40+ mpg in comfort, high 40's low 50's in Eco mode, high 20's Sport, high teens low 20's Sport+.. This are the figures and hp of my car which I think is a phenomenal bit of kit 😍😁👌
@@SebbyShvein1 Errr no, the M2 is on another level for sound, handling, cornering, ride, and chassis dynamics. My M140i was tuned to 455bhp/634nm, so it was pretty quick (in a straight line), but pretty wobbly around the corners, and seeing as any muppet can boot it in a straight line, but cornering requires skill, I have 100% upgraded. Maybe when you have owned both, you might understand son.
@@SebbyShvein1 I doubt you are older, judging by the childish amount of smilies. Even if you were, you are obviously mentally very childish. 1) I'm 55 years old. 2) I could have bought an M2C, but for the budget I had, they were all higher mileage and multiple owners, by a long way, than my 28k, 1 owner from new, OG M2 I bought. 3) The M2C has 40bhp more, but weighs 55Kg heavier, and if you had the experience of actually owning one, and an OG, you would know there is almost no difference in performance, due to the almost identical power-to-weight ratio. Calling my OG M2 slow is just a pathetic trolling attempt. It is still faster to 60 than my 455bhp M140i (although the M140i was much quicker once on a roll). This is due to the much better traction of the M2, from it's wider tyres, and LSD. Yes I could have spent the difference in cost, by modifying my M140i more, but it would still have just been an M140i. You are an M140i fanboy (and a childish one at that), so until you have owned both, like I have, your opinion means absolutely nothing SON.
Really fun down to earth video, you have a new subscriber 😃 2 great cars. I have a red Clubsport 40 and the special edition GTI's are very enjoyable cars.
Good comparison. Would you take a proper track-like hothatch that’s light and nimble with some decent power, but FWD, or a higher powered hothatch that isn’t as serious, but has RWD??? As a guy who owns a MK7 GTI 6spd, is FBO, IS38, custom tuned, WMI, all the suspension goodies, etc., and much faster than a stock TCR, unfortunately, I probably would still choose to go the RWD route. RWD is just funner, especially when modded correctly.
Love the modern Clubsport's, Mk8, Mk8.5 can be track weapons. So the Golf can be a fun car, engaging, the weight is correct, but I pick the Beemer anyways and I never quite agreed with the looks of the 1 series. A lot of work required to make then look slightly better, lot's of lowering, plastics, tinting involved. Always loved the 3 series though, F30 and G20 can look so sweet, but if I could afford it I would likely build a stripped out lighter 140 summer car, use the M340i as a daily.
I've just sold my TCR for a Mk8 Golf R. Have to say the TCR is a great car, you need to have DCC which allows you to adjust the suspension. I hardly ever noticed any torque steer on mine so i'd say you need to get that looked at. There are some good roads around there but far to many average speed cameras now hey 😉 Good work chaps.
@@duncanh997 Very nice! I do like the Mk8 generation, however I’ve heard the interiors are a bit of a step down in quality compared to the MK7.5. I think if I spent time in the TCR I would be able to dial that tourqe steer out just by being smoother and being used to the car. Better tyres would help too. I think AJ has plans to get PS5’s on there soon.
@@andrewjohnston2901 exactly, it all depends on your driving style too. If you power hard out of a roundabout or junction, that will be where its noticed.
@MrVideeeooo The TCR is a great car and was a real wrench to sell it. If i compare the 2, you can feel that the TCR was lighter and was ever so slightly more nimble. Where the R changes things up is grip, pulling out of junctions, wet weather, roundabouts etc, having that playful rear diff really gives you a sharp front end. Both my TCR and R have DCC, so i can compare ride quality. I would say overall, from softest settings to the hardest settings, the R is a slightly softer smoother ride with the TCR always feeling slightly firmer. Now, reflecting on both cars. When i sold my TCR i had big doubts whether i was doing the right thing. The TCR looked amazing where as the R is more stealthy. However from the moment i took the R off the forecourt, i have not looked back or missed the TCR once and that speaks volumes.( I dont have any issues with the infotainment system either.)
hmm out of the two, I pick the GTI TCR just more of a track build while the m140i is a one series with a b58 lump in it without any changes to a normal one series
@@kiritokun1791 The M140i is a completely different kettle of fish. Especially with some subtle modifications. I think driving them back to back would the best way to choose between them. You say it’s ‘just a 1 series’, but the Golf GTi TCR is literally based on the normal Golf. They are the same in that respect, just done differently. The sub frame is the same as normal 1.6 mk7.5 GTI, just with different suspension, etc.
@@markjones-ej8tm The M140i has a bit more adjustment, if you have electric seats but I would say the TCR is probably more spacious, driving position wise.
Not just less weight than a golf R less drivetrain loss aswell 30mph + a TCR or Leon cupra should be quicker than an R/S3 for sure. 140 is very special but the problem with them is it’s a 120 m sport with a powerful engine. Not much else feels or looks that different, great sleepers though especially in non shadow edition guise
@@willpark7483 it’s not just a 120 with a big engine though. I mean in a sense yeah but you could say the same about the Golf GTi being the same as a GTD. or just a normal 1.6 Golf. For the money they are it means that they’re a great platform to improve!
@ It is mate…. I have an M lite myself, I know. Great cars but there is no kidding that it’s not barely different than any other M sport 1 series, aside from engine and very subtle styling its only the big callipers and rock hard suspension that give it away! they aren’t sharp or stiff like a proper M car, no limited slip diff like a proper M car and styling wise they aren’t like a proper M car.
@ I don’t doubt that. That’s why I’ve put a diff and better suspension on mine. I remember it stock before any mods and it’s night and day now. Thankfully the RWD 120/125i’s are pretty decent platforms already.
In a straight line which is the quickest.. I would say definitely the BMW M140. As anyone had a race in a straight line which involve these two cars. Before you say that TCR is better on the bends.. I just wanted to know how is the quickest to 60 and to 100 mph.. As I said M140 would win out right in my opinion that B58 engine is a Beast..
In the more fun to drive question no one mentions the front and rear wheel drive aspect. I personally think rear wheel drive cars are more fun. But that's just me (an owner of a M140i 😛)
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Tcrs are amazing. Theyll hold their value well too
there great !
Owned 50 plus cars in my 53 years starting with Ford Capri 2.8i’s and Sierra Cosworths in the 90’s. Bought my first new M140 in 2017 after owning a few E46 330 Couoes and then E46 M3’s. I got my first M140i new and fell in love with it but sold it to get the M2 OG and then regretted it so went back to another 140. I then went for the M2C to see if the better M2 would make sense. I owned it for a year and then got rid as I missed having a 140. Now back in another 140 and with a few suspension mode you can get a capable car that punches above its weight. Yes, I can afford the M2C and similar marques but I don’t feel like I’m missing out when the 140 is so good. The only issue now is finding a good one.
That’s a great story Brian!! What a car history, eh? You’re not wrong about finding a good one. I like to think mine would be a ‘good one’ as I have fixed the bad or weak points of the car. I’m surprised you missed the M140i having an M2C. I guess there’s something cool about having a non M car that punches above its weight with some light suspension mods, plus the B58 is a dream, and it’s practical!
@@roadreg1820
Reg, the M2C is brilliant but there’s something about the 140 that I can’t put my finger on. Recently test drove the M340i Xdrive but it’s so clinical and literally drives you instead of the other way around if that makes sense. As you say, some suspension mods and it kind of comes together. I reckon if the 140 had come from factory with a more uprated suspension and LSD, the thinking person would have passed on the full fat M and gone M lite thus affecting M sales hence why they left it a bit soft so to speak.
3 door 2018 manual Shadow here with Pro Nav, adaptive suspension and many extras.
Keep up the content 👍
@@brianjackson7499great spec, rare getting a shadow edition manual
140i all day!
The GTI is nice for what it is and has a lot of Heritage, obviously made better from what your mate has done to his but for me, I'd have my M140i all day everyday... Plus how many cars with around 370hp do you know that can give you 37-40+ mpg in comfort, high 40's low 50's in Eco mode, high 20's Sport, high teens low 20's Sport+.. This are the figures and hp of my car which I think is a phenomenal bit of kit 😍😁👌
I think many underestimate the 140i! the only rear-wheel drive hot hacht with a 3-liter and mechanical gearbox available
Gti tcr a brilliant car, very sought after and rare.
Good fun reg well done to George for filming 👏👏
I'd have kept the M140i.
I owned one for 4 years, but upgraded to an OG M2.
So you down graded then 🤣🤣
@@SebbyShvein1 Errr no, the M2 is on another level for sound, handling, cornering, ride, and chassis dynamics.
My M140i was tuned to 455bhp/634nm, so it was pretty quick (in a straight line), but pretty wobbly around the corners, and seeing as any muppet can boot it in a straight line, but cornering requires skill, I have 100% upgraded.
Maybe when you have owned both, you might understand son.
@@DjNikGnashers son 😂😂😂 I’m probably older than you lol.
So could have at least got the proper m2 Competition pack, not the slow n55 🙄😬🫣
@@SebbyShvein1 I doubt you are older, judging by the childish amount of smilies.
Even if you were, you are obviously mentally very childish.
1) I'm 55 years old.
2) I could have bought an M2C, but for the budget I had, they were all higher mileage and multiple owners, by a long way, than my 28k, 1 owner from new, OG M2 I bought.
3) The M2C has 40bhp more, but weighs 55Kg heavier, and if you had the experience of actually owning one, and an OG, you would know there is almost no difference in performance, due to the almost identical power-to-weight ratio.
Calling my OG M2 slow is just a pathetic trolling attempt. It is still faster to 60 than my 455bhp M140i (although the M140i was much quicker once on a roll).
This is due to the much better traction of the M2, from it's wider tyres, and LSD.
Yes I could have spent the difference in cost, by modifying my M140i more, but it would still have just been an M140i.
You are an M140i fanboy (and a childish one at that), so until you have owned both, like I have, your opinion means absolutely nothing SON.
@@DjNikGnashersthe n55 garbage engine compared to b58
Really fun down to earth video, you have a new subscriber 😃 2 great cars. I have a red Clubsport 40 and the special edition GTI's are very enjoyable cars.
@@MrVideeeooo Glad you enjoyed the video !! Very nice 👌
clubsport 40 a holy grail golf i'd love to have your wingbacks in my TCR !
@@andrewjohnston2901 no rear seats tho!? Or is that the Nurburgring special edition?
@@roadreg1820 clubsport S has no back seats
@@roadreg1820 Yeah as AJ said the Clubsport S has no rear seats but the standard CS 40 has them, a great all round car like the TCR.
Good comparison. Would you take a proper track-like hothatch that’s light and nimble with some decent power, but FWD, or a higher powered hothatch that isn’t as serious, but has RWD???
As a guy who owns a MK7 GTI 6spd, is FBO, IS38, custom tuned, WMI, all the suspension goodies, etc., and much faster than a stock TCR, unfortunately, I probably would still choose to go the RWD route. RWD is just funner, especially when modded correctly.
had my TCR 3 years love it not seen another one seen 48 at a steady 70 mph
@@kevdavies3445 nice!
TCR will hold its value better
@@nah4got Yeah, as they are rare.
Great car review
But it's the bm for me
Love the modern Clubsport's, Mk8, Mk8.5 can be track weapons. So the Golf can be a fun car, engaging, the weight is correct, but I pick the Beemer anyways and I never quite agreed with the looks of the 1 series. A lot of work required to make then look slightly better, lot's of lowering, plastics, tinting involved. Always loved the 3 series though, F30 and G20 can look so sweet, but if I could afford it I would likely build a stripped out lighter 140 summer car, use the M340i as a daily.
Hey Reg, great video. Generous to GTI .. M140i in a different league. #B58
I really enjoyed this!
@@billionbear Really pleased to hear that 😁
Definitely an easy choice. M140 all the way - 6 cylinders, RWD, cheaper than the Golf.
You said it!
Nice comparison there. What did you do to the M140i to make it more comfortable ?
@@danielreeves5399 Bilstein Dampers/Eibach springs - Glad you enjoyed the video.
I've just sold my TCR for a Mk8 Golf R. Have to say the TCR is a great car, you need to have DCC which allows you to adjust the suspension. I hardly ever noticed any torque steer on mine so i'd say you need to get that looked at.
There are some good roads around there but far to many average speed cameras now hey 😉
Good work chaps.
@@duncanh997 Very nice!
I do like the Mk8 generation, however I’ve heard the interiors are a bit of a step down in quality compared to the MK7.5. I think if I spent time in the TCR I would be able to dial that tourqe steer out just by being smoother and being used to the car. Better tyres would help too. I think AJ has plans to get PS5’s on there soon.
i'v never noticed torque steer or any other reviews of it on the tcr but reg is used to rear wheel drive
@@andrewjohnston2901 exactly, it all depends on your driving style too. If you power hard out of a roundabout or junction, that will be where its noticed.
How have you found it going from the TCR to your Mk8 R?
@MrVideeeooo The TCR is a great car and was a real wrench to sell it. If i compare the 2, you can feel that the TCR was lighter and was ever so slightly more nimble. Where the R changes things up is grip, pulling out of junctions, wet weather, roundabouts etc, having that playful rear diff really gives you a sharp front end.
Both my TCR and R have DCC, so i can compare ride quality. I would say overall, from softest settings to the hardest settings, the R is a slightly softer smoother ride with the TCR always feeling slightly firmer.
Now, reflecting on both cars. When i sold my TCR i had big doubts whether i was doing the right thing. The TCR looked amazing where as the R is more stealthy. However from the moment i took the R off the forecourt, i have not looked back or missed the TCR once and that speaks volumes.( I dont have any issues with the infotainment system either.)
hmm out of the two, I pick the GTI TCR just more of a track build while the m140i is a one series with a b58 lump in it without any changes to a normal one series
@@kiritokun1791 The M140i is a completely different kettle of fish. Especially with some subtle modifications. I think driving them back to back would the best way to choose between them. You say it’s ‘just a 1 series’, but the Golf GTi TCR is literally based on the normal Golf. They are the same in that respect, just done differently. The sub frame is the same as normal 1.6 mk7.5 GTI, just with different suspension, etc.
Are you at Portsdown Hill?
@@MK8RBigBuzz Good spot, we are!
Nice to see someone doing local car videos. 👍
Hi Reg Which interior felt more spacious from the driving position would you say out of the two?
@@markjones-ej8tm The M140i has a bit more adjustment, if you have electric seats but I would say the TCR is probably more spacious, driving position wise.
Thanks. The tcr looks taller and slightly wider. The m140 looks longer somehow. Great video 👍👍
Do you have a summary of the modification you’ve made to your 140i?
@@samherford1298 I haven’t unfortunately but I’m glad you mentioned it, I will sort out a video for that soon.
@@roadreg1820 that would be cool. Would be great for a mini review of each upgrade and whether you think it’s worth the price 🤩
@@roadreg1820would also love to see this vid 🙌
@@nallanw4329 I’ll get it sorted 😎😎
Not just less weight than a golf R less drivetrain loss aswell 30mph + a TCR or Leon cupra should be quicker than an R/S3 for sure.
140 is very special but the problem with them is it’s a 120 m sport with a powerful engine. Not much else feels or looks that different, great sleepers though especially in non shadow edition guise
@@willpark7483 it’s not just a 120 with a big engine though. I mean in a sense yeah but you could say the same about the Golf GTi being the same as a GTD. or just a normal 1.6 Golf. For the money they are it means that they’re a great platform to improve!
@ It is mate…. I have an M lite myself, I know. Great cars but there is no kidding that it’s not barely different than any other M sport 1 series, aside from engine and very subtle styling its only the big callipers and rock hard suspension that give it away! they aren’t sharp or stiff like a proper M car, no limited slip diff like a proper M car and styling wise they aren’t like a proper M car.
@ I don’t doubt that. That’s why I’ve put a diff and better suspension on mine. I remember it stock before any mods and it’s night and day now. Thankfully the RWD 120/125i’s are pretty decent platforms already.
In a straight line which is the quickest.. I would say definitely the BMW M140. As anyone had a race in a straight line which involve these two cars. Before you say that TCR is better on the bends.. I just wanted to know how is the quickest to 60 and to 100 mph.. As I said M140 would win out right in my opinion that B58 engine is a Beast..
In the more fun to drive question no one mentions the front and rear wheel drive aspect. I personally think rear wheel drive cars are more fun. But that's just me (an owner of a M140i 😛)
It was all unscripted so we didn’t talk about it directly but I mentioned the torque steer, which is a result of being FWD.
@@dmitricalnev7037 I'm in the den of lions here 🤣🤣
I had a 1.6 tdci fiesta and now got a bmw 116d and going from front to rear wheel drive is a hell of a lot more fun
Autos are so Boring 😉
you stated you get the 5 pot burble through the speakers in the golf. did he engine swap it was an audi rs3? 🤣
@@jamielearmonth1039 from the inside it sounds like it ! 🤷♂️
@@jamielearmonth1039 I like that 💪
Golf will hold value
Seen this owner on another channel😅
The hurse looks horrible, golf looks so much better. I ❤️ the m2 look tho. Golf for me all day long...
@@TIM612826 I’m confused - do you mean the estate ? As in the hurse?
@roadreg1820 the 140 looks like a hurse. Lol.
@@TIM612826 👀 okay buddy!
BMW
That bmw is ugly car.Golf is beautifull.That bmw is so ugly i would go for golf even if its fwd
@@bobanppvc Beauty is in the eye of the beholder 😁
@@bobanppvc bit harsh but like your style 😉