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Does anybody else get emotional with that last scene with Jason dawning the Robin suit for the first time? The pure innocence and excitement of this "being the best day" of his life seems so sad seeing what happened to him. Red Hood is by far my favorite Batman Animated movie.
Really drives home the fact that at the end of the day, these are essentially Batman’s sons. Whether because of adoption, biology, or just being by Bruce’s side, they’re his children. The movie really embodied the name sake of its source material. “A Death in the Family”
I like how it frames Batman's no-kill policy in terms of weakness rather than strength. It's not that he's morally superior, it's that he's holding on to this thing by his fingernails and knows he'll become a mass murderer if he doesn't stop himself from killing.
I've always defended that Batman not killing makes absolute sense since he is a completely unstable mind. Sure, a singular hero or anyone in general could kill someone as over-the-toply monstrous as Joker and remain virtuous, but someone as broken and angry as Bruce Wayne HAS to force self control. To the point that I think it's a logic that makes sense in real life. Some people deserve to be killed, some people deserve to be beaten the fuck up, and anger is many times completely justified. There's enough pieces of shit out there. But even if it's morally correct to beat some bully, that shit hurts you too (and by extension, the people in your life). Walking the path of vengeance, rage and violence is destructive... and as overused that trope is, it's very easy to understimate it. Speaking from experience.
Like Batman said in the comic ‘Hush’, that deep down…he KNOWS he’s not a good person and the self imposed no killing rule is the one thing that stops him from going off the deep end
controversial opinion (That will get me killed) I'd just kill the Joker though and retire. Batman has plenty of sidekicks that can clean Gotham, Nightwing, Red Robin, Spoiler, Orphan, Batwing, Signal, Damian Wayne. He literally can just retire, but he doesn't know how and is addicted.
Actually Dick Grayson is usually depicted around the 9-12 range when his parents were murdered and he became Robin. Bruce's logic with him is that if Bruce could have gone out and helped people sooner he doesn't think he would have ended up the dark, depressed, obsessed person he is now. So he let Dick go out and fight crime young to help him be a better person than Bruce himself. And funny thing is that it worked.
though dick did eventually pick up batmans emo attitude and Obession with his job during his teen years though when he became nightwing he mellowed out and was less like batman in terms of ultra seriousness
@@wilmagregg3131 I always read that as Dick trying to act "more adult" by emulating Batman and being more serious, before coming to realize that he could be his own man and do things his own way; which is sorta a classic pattern in coming of age stories.
Like they said in this video, it only "works" because it's fantasy, in real life it would be fucked up child abuse as it's basically an adult with the father title making children soldiers.
In the comics, Jason was brought back when Superboy broke reality- He managed to crawl out of his grave, only to get hit by a car immediately, Talia picked him up, and eventually threw him in the Lazarus pit. They do a pretty good job condensing that back story for this movie.
I believe the Lazarus Pit was always intended to be the only factor in the original story, but Dan Didio opened up his big mouth and promised fans that the resurrection of Jason was tied to Infinite Crisis, so they had to commit to the retcon punch.
Can someone explain to me about Superboy? What's his connection to all of this? Does he connected with The Flash ( Flash Point)? Explain to me the whole story please .
@@firebreathingguy561 Superboy (Prime) literally punched reality during "Infinite Crisis" which in the comics was his way of escaping an "extradimensional" space that he was traped in with a few other people- In the real world, the broken reality was an excuse for DC to change comic continuity. It resulted in multiple things happening, namely origin story changes, and a few people, most notably Jason Todd, coming back to life.
@@Sparda_LDK I always thought Superboy Prime and the punching of reality was such a weird thing. Jason reviving through the Lazarus Pit made much more sense.
Talia found him wandering around after being brought back by the Superboy-Prime reality punch, but he was almost soulless and catatonic except walking around and being able to beat everyone up except her who he didn’t even fight. She was convinced some of Jason was in there and if she brought him back to Bruce he’d love her. So put Jason in the pit against Ras’s wishes. Then Talia secretly funded and trained Jason for years. And then ultimately after Talia all but raising him for a few years as a surrogate mother… she got angry at Batman for her father dying and Jason wanted revenge… so Jason and Talia have the most bizarre Oedipal sex I’ve seen in DC comics. I’m pretty sure it’s not canon to current DC… but for a while that was a thing. And Jason never told Damien…
And people wanted his story gone. Now they have to deal with him and whatever way they want but I’m imagining it’d be funny as hell to see their reaction when they saw him again revived.
well it's kinda funny Jason Todd was not particularly liked as Robin. (There is a theory that a lot of people who voted for Robin to live didn't realize he wasn't the Dick Grayson Robin.) However, when he came back as Red Hood he has been much more well liked.
This version of Amazo is actually the most accurate in terms of how he appears in the comics. He has often been portrayed like this...a.jacked android with green pants and elf ears, the synthetic skin thing isnt new
It's so weird seeing Amazo like that. I know it's far more comic accurate but I grew up with JLU and the DCAU and that Amazo just looks like a cool robot (especially when he returns gold and is near god level)... So weird elf ears and synthetic skin always feels out of place
@@mulv3410 I understand why you feel that way, but ironically that’s the only time he’s been portrayed like that lol. So someone who grew up reading the comics and stuff probably felt just as thrown off as you seeing him as just an all gray/gold robot
@@YoungYahtz94 That's a great point I've never really thought about. I'm sure it's a challenge trying to bring over characters from the comic medium that look alittle goofy. Things don't always transfer well and I think creators sometimes get nervous on how well it'll be received if they stay true to the original. Now that I think about it, if Amazo ever makes it to the big screen, I'd rather see him with elf ears and then maybe an Amazo 2 that could look more JLU like. PS: Dope username btw
Under the Red Hood is probably one of strongest animated movies they've put out (I'd argue its one of the 6 good ones). Its pacing and action solid; it streamlining and improves the story and all the performances are great. John Dimaggio is great as the Joker; he should play him more.
I couldn’t agree more about DiMaggio. His Joker might actually be my favorite, maybe even more so than Ledger or Hammil’s. He just has such a sinister feeling to every line he says, but he can still hit the high pitched laughter when he needs to. I get chills every time he says “I’m the only one who’s gonna get what he wants tonight!”
@@captaindc3889 Yeah, Black Mask from 'The Batman' did certainly have a cool demeanor, and an intimidating (if slightly questionable) method of choosing Number Ones.
John DiMaggio really is such an underrated Joker. I honestly believe that he’s up there with Ledger and Hammil, and might be more comic accurate than both. He has such a sinister vibe but he still nails the delivery on his comedic lines. And the laugh is so damn good. I think I’m actually one of the people who prefers a deeper laugh, which DiMaggio more than delivers on, but he can still hit the higher stuff like Hammil when he needs to.
The showdown fight at the end of the movie is one of the coolest action scenes I had ever seen in a movie when I first saw this. Imagine if they could make live action movie scenes like that.
just a small theory on Robert Pattisons Batman - since they are making a trilogy with him, wouldn't it be cool to have the third movie be "Under The Red Hood"? Inspired by this movie a little bit...
I feel like choreography in recent films have gotten pretty good- at least in the better action movies or even TV shows- that it's not that hard.........
@@Marklman I feel in order to do UTRH justice you first need to have Grayson as Robin and then introduce Jason once Dick’s become Nightwing. You have to have Grayson be established because so much of what makes Jason Jason is feeling like he had to live up to Dick. You’d probably also need to establish Barbara since Jason’s been revealed to have had a crush on her, which would only make his jealousy of Dick stronger. One of the things that didn’t work about Arkham Knight’s Jason reveal is that we didn’t get a good idea of what his relationship with the rest of the Family was like before he died, you need those pre established relationships to fully convey the tragedy of this story
@@joeshlong9614 Yes, it literally does. You're enjoyment does not determine the quality of a movie, certain standards do. You might enjoy "Batman V Superman" more than "12 Angry Men", that doesn't mean that it's the better movie though.
In the comics, Jason actually resurrects in his grave as a result of something Flash or Superboy does (punching the timestream or something like that) but he's still got his injuries. He has to claw his way out and wanders Gotham almost brain dead before Talia finds him. She eventually throws him in the Lazarus Pit. By this point, Tim Drake is Robin and one of Jason's first acts as Red Hood is to break into Titans Tower, subdue Robin's team non-lethaly and then beat the hell out of Tim for replacing him. One of the main differences from the comic, and the one I like most, is that in the film Batman hits Jason's gun with his batarang. In the comics, he; for some stupid reason; throws it into Hood's throat. After the explosion, Jason returns to Gotham and picks up where he left off as a crime lord. He has several encounters with Nightwing and Robin leading up to the Battle of the Cowl, where Bruce is thought dead. Nightwing initially refuses to become Batman so Jason becomes a lethal one instead. They fight over it and Jason manages to almost kill Damian, Tim and Dick on separate occasions but is defeated and put in Arkham when they team up. That's the last we have of villain Red Hood before the new-52 reboot which keeps a lot of the same backstory for him at least but time-skips or something and he's suddenly an antihero rather than an outright villain. Great reaction anyway, this is one of my favourite DC movies.
The Battle for The Cowl was so badly written with how OOC Jason was. I really can’t trust anyone other than Judd Winick to write him because the other writes keep messing up his personality, his morals etc.
@@Nirrini I mean, I liked the story but it did seem they pushed Jason's idealogy to his extreme (at best) in order to have a compelling villain. Which ironically, made him less compelling than in Under the Red Hood.
@@adamhughes4387 Well, they did more than that, because the writer of that issue made Jason into a deranged psychopath, almost like a Joker in the making. Honestly, I see the Battle for The Cowl as the lowest point possible for Jason Todd - where he is at his absolute worst. And this is why DC comics infuriates me. They don’t know how to handle Jason, more or less what to do with him. He went through so many transitions: psychotic, deranged, violent on everybody - then antihero, wise crack, generic. The only one who had a good grasp on Jason Todd, is Judd Winick. I still re-read his runs from time to time and I consider his Jason Todd to be the standard, no matter how long Lobdell has been writing him. It’s Winick for me.
@@Nirrini yea i agree with you there. That has to be my least favorite version of jason. Though in my opinion i feel as though scott lobdel in rebirth has made the best version of jason todd. I love how jason comes back angry at the world and especially at batman, but as time goes on he is able to somewhat mend his relationship with bruce and other members of the batfamily so much so they work together every now and then.I also love how jason actually has a decent relationship with people like dick and tim. There is much more of a brotherly bond. I also like how the outlaws build up and develop his character. Mainly the rebirth outlaws
A factoid I find so interesting is that the story of Red Hood and Jason coming back, and Winter Soldier and Bucky coming back, both comics were released so close together it would have been impossible for either Marvel or DC to copy one another, they just had almost the exact same idea at the same time.
It actually appeared in the season 1 penultimate episode. Aqualad knows where his hideout is and goes to confront Roy about being the mole and the hideout is the same design
The gotham overhead (but without the blimp) and the warehouse shots where the drug dealers and red hood meet (the team fights clayface here instead) were also used in yj in the aqualad centric episode in season 1
This movie is probably one of the best direct adaptations of a comic storyline under the newer DCAU. As someone who read and owns the original comic this is definitely one of my favorite adaptations.
The comic, Under the Hood was written by Judd Winick and its pretty good, the movie was written, ALSO BY HIM, so its not just a good adaptation but pretty much the idelic version of the story that Winick wanted to tell, the very little changes from the original were a few editorial mandates
@@Nirrinithe movie gets rid of useless plot lines that were in the comics and makes it solely focused on the story of red hood and Batman, so I honestly agree with him that the movie is better than the comic.
Yeah, this is the closer adaptation of the Death in the Family story. Arkham Knight takes more liberties with Jason’s story. Also, Black Mask initially wears a mask but in an accident it gets seared onto his face and it becomes his face. Which is why people say it’s his appearance and not his mask.
the accident also gave him superpowers when he was just a mobster boss before hes immune to all toxins now to the point he smokes cynanide cigareets for the flavour and as a weapon to people who get too close
This is the first thing I've ever known Jensen Ackles for. At the time I hadn't watched Supernatural, but all I knew was that his voice acting was fantastic!
In the comics it is even darker. Jason is dead and buried and then Superboy Prime starts punching the walls of reality setting off ripples that change things. One of those things is Jason is suddenly alive again but is buried in his coffin. He literally has to crawl his way out of his own grave. The whole thing leaves Jason totally insane for a while.
I love this movie so much. It more or less dragged me into DC and loving the Jason Todd. I like that Jason's death in this is already considered tragic but in the comics it's much worse considering being betrayed by his mother and still trying to save her. I wish they showed that parts of Jason though. He didn't die cause he was being dumb, he was chasing after his mother and got betrayed, really driving home he's just a kid.
1:37 “I haven’t seen like ‘Batman The Animated Series’ and like...” Rick: *you haven’t seen ‘Mask of the Phantasm’? [So have you always hated freedom?]*
it made sense for the first robin because it was a modifyed form of his old Circus preformer outfit i guess batman just got used to it and made it the standard robin uniform
@@wilmagregg3131 I think Jason even brings it up in some of the more recent comics. He was aware that he was the "replacement". He was constantly compared to Dick and even wore his old costume. Tim made his own costume and made the title of Robin his own, but that's something Jason never did. It's why he was never all that close to Dick even before he became Red Hood.
@@Birthday888 I always found it annoying how Dick instantly embraced Tim and became a brother for him, while NEVER extending the same courtesy to Jason, pre-death and post-death.
@@Nirrini To be fair for Dick, Jason held some resentment towards Dick due to Batman comparing them, even before his death. Dick felt guilty over what happened to Jason, and I believe that's acrually the reason as to why he tried so hard to be a "big brother" figure to Tim. Dick has tried to reach out to Jason post-death, but he's brushed off most of the time.
Apparently the room that Joker, Jason, and Batman are all in are end was remade and can be seen in Young Justice. I think Red Arrow and Cheshire can be seen in it. Kinda cool Easter egg
I hope you don't mean Batman giving a stupid reason for having a no-killing rule. It makes it seem that the Joker breaking out of Arkham and killing a hundred people means the blood of a hundred people are now on billionare Bruce Wayne's hands. Why? Because billionaire Bruce Wayne tracked down the Joker, took him down and handed him over to Jim Gordon and his cops who handed him over to the courts who handed him over to Arkham. So why are Gordon hands clean when he can put a bullet to the back of the Joker's head? Why are the cops and courts and the staff of Arkham clean of blood? Why is all the people in Gotham who can wield a sniper rifle clean of blood? Why is the Kryptonian in Metropolis or the Amazon from Themyscira free of blood when they could just go to Gotham and flick a coin through an Arkham window and through the Joker's brain, espousing "It had to be done. He was a menace to society."? It's also a stupid reason for a no-killing rule since it implies any cop who ended up in a "shoot to kill or let something worse happen" situation and shot to kill is now _lost forever down a dark path._ Puh-lease! A much better reason is that it is NOT Bruce Wayne's mission to save Gotham City, it is his misson to help the good people of Gotham City (e.g. Jim Gordon and Dr. Leslie Tompkins) save Gotham City. To be Gotham City's self-appointed mysterious masked executioner (basically beheading the Joker in town square Eddard Stark style for being a menace to society) would be counterproductive to the mission.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps If you're so vocal about it, why not make a video about it? I mean, at least you'd have SOMETHING to show for it, instead of just hassling random fans.
The reason Black Mask spelled out what he meant by party, is because this is Gotham. Lots of henchmen hire out to more than one supervillain. If they worked for Joker, being told "I want a party waiting for him" might actually MEAN party hats and noisemakers.
One of my favorite Batman storylines. I’d love to see Jason Todd introduced in Robert Pattinson’s Batman universe, and have an adaptation of under the red hood be the finale of the trilogy.
He’s too young to have a Robin...even in about 5-10 years. He’s playing 27 yr old Bruce Wayne! Robin comes when Bats is in his late 30’s and Jason Todd when he’s mid 40’s🤷🏾♂️👍🏾
@@B-Dad well Pattinson is 34, so a time jump is very possible. Plus, not everything has to be exactly accurate to the comics and other media. Bale’s Batman didn’t even have a Robin until Batman “died”, and John Blake revealed his name is Robin. So Reeves doesn’t really have to copy-paste all the precise story beats and timelines from the comics.
@@B-Dad Again, the timelines of when he gets his Robin/Robins doesn’t have to be completely accurate to the comics. Getting a Robin as more of a little brother figure than a Son, would be cool too.
In the 80’s Jason Todd was a unpopular character. When he was created, he was basically a Grayson copy with a very similar origin of his parents being acrobats. The only differences being Jason's parents were killed by Killer Croc, and he actually dyed his hair black after Batman made him Robin. After “Crisis on Infinite Earths” Jason was given the origin we all know of him stealing tires off the Batmobile which Batman had parked in Crime Alley that night. Post-crisis Jason was a rebel who often didn't listen to Batman. In 1988, Jason was captured by Joker and Joker started beating him with a crowbar, after which he uses a bomb to blow up the warehouse with Jason inside. Fans voted (by calling one of two numbers) on whether Jason would survive or not. 10,614 votes altogether. 5,343 votes to 5,271, the votes for his death won by 72. There is a rumor that one guy may have rigged the vote, but it hasn't been proven. Jason died and wasn't brought back until 2005, when he came back as the badass Red Hood.
Dick Greyson is always depicted as more agile as batman since his circus training so to me him jumping over the containers seemed normal when i watched this
yeah trained jumpers can jump really high. the french army used to have a unit called the voltigeurs. the miniumum requirement to pass was to be able to jump over a horse from a stationary position, and they had less than a years training which included other things like muscketry. the current highest measured jump on record for humans is 2.25 m (or 7.4 feet), and it only took 3 years of training (and a unique technique) to get it. i can easily imagine someone with more training for jumping and the right technique could potentially get higher
I think Black Mask originally just wore a Black Mask but then during a confrontation it did get melted and fused on his face. I’m assuming that happens here because of the droplets on his neck
DC needs a live action Rated R red hood movie that explores his trauma, streetsmarts, a love interest that understands him and would be about batman gone missing n jokers dead.
I want a Jason series where each season is a part of his life, season one his childhood and his robin life, season 2 either him becoming red hood or his red hood time and the finale him and Bruce coming to terms.
@CyberDalek17 _"and the dialog is beautiful"_ Except for that stupid speech about why Batman doesn't kill. It makes it seem that the Joker breaking out of Arkham and killing a hundred people means the blood of a hundred people are now on billionare Bruce Wayne's hands. Why? Because billionaire Bruce Wayne tracked down the Joker, took him down and handed him over to Jim Gordon and his cops who handed him over to the courts who handed him over to Arkham. So why are Gordon hands clean when he can put a bullet to the back of the Joker's head? Why are the cops and courts and the staff of Arkham clean of blood? Why is all the people in Gotham who can wield a sniper rifle clean of blood? Why is the Kryptonian in Metropolis or the Amazon from Themyscira free of blood when they could just go to Gotham and flick a coin through an Arkham window and through the Joker's brain, espousing "It had to be done. He was a menace to society."? It's a stupid speech because it's a stupid reason for a no-killing rule. A much better reason is that it is NOT Bruce Wayne's mission to save Gotham City, it is his misson to help the good people of Gotham City (e.g. Jim Gordon and Dr. Leslie Tompkins) save Gotham City. To be Gotham City's self-appointed mysterious masked executioner (basically beheading the Joker in town square Eddard Stark style for being a menace to society) would be counterproductive to the mission.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps you make good points, in the grand scheme of things Jim could have just shot the Joker. But in regards to Batman I always refer back to the Dark Knight "you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain" Bruce knows if his crosses that line he in his mind becomes the villain or see himself similar to the man who killed his parents. And Bruce knows he himself is unstable with the trauma he suffered, because he knows if he snaps, the bodies will keep piling up, and his speech is him putting his internal struggle to words, he wanted to kill the Joker and maybe all the other criminals of Gotham, but it's not what his parents would have wanted for him. It's like Batman trying to talk sense into Superman in chapter 1 of Injustice 2 trying to say what clark was doing wasn't what Lois would have wanted for him. And Jason couldn't see past through his own issues to understand, he himself could have killed the Joker right in that room but he wanted to prove to Bruce that his way works better and he was kind of right, they said crime was down, but he didn't realize that if Bruce himself results to those tactics, he'd become the thing he swore to take down.
@@CyberDalek17 Spoilers for The Dark Knight and Man Of Steel _"But in regards to Batman I always refer back to The Dark Knight "you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain" Bruce knows if his crosses that line in his mind becomes the villain or see himself similar to the man who killed his parents."_ But that depends on the circumstances. He kills Harvey Dent in that movie, does he consider himself "the villain" in the next movie? No. Does he consider himself Joe Chill? No. Now I understand the... wise words but the movie proves you wrong regarding this topic. Superman kills Zod in Man Of Steel, is he suddenly "the villain" because of it? Is he immediately Zod now, killing to get his way? No, it just doesn't work like that. _"Bruce knows he himself is unstable with the trauma he suffered, because he knows if he snaps, the bodies will keep piling up, and his speech is him putting his internal struggle to words"_ And this is just you spelling out that speech to me, you're not adding anything. What you then say about Injustice Batman and this movie's Jason is all beside the point. I'll put it in overly strong terms to get my point across because I'm tired and would just be vague otherwise: Your "unstable" Batman is an idiot. He's an immature musclehead. He says he fantasizes daily of torturing the Joker for all the pain he's caused others and then terminating him which l hope is exaggeration for Jason's sake and he's just a good liar. But what makes him an immature idiot musclehead is that a Batman who is not an immature idiot musclehead would say what I've suggested: "That would be sabotaging the mission. There would have been no Bat-Signal. There would have been no alliance with Gordon. There would just be more bullets flying at me because I would just be another costumed killer marking territory, for the people of Gotham to lock their doors against, making it a worse place to live. That is the exact opposite of what I created Batman for. I would have done more good becoming the crime lord of Gotham from the beginning, as you are doing." Why? Because that works without Bruce bringing _Bruce Wayne's individual psyche_ into it and certainly without making it _all about it._
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps fair enough, still a good movie though, I'll retract what I said about the dialog being beautiful. Really I was just looking for adjectives to put in a reply but didn't know it would spark an interesting conversation
@@CyberDalek17 Oh, dialogue can be beautiful, it's just that rationale that just galls me because it makes Batman this... pretentious "Look how edgy I am because I'm Bruce Wayne under here, I'm so on the edge here you don't even know." when the simpler rationale is better on every level.
The fact that people had to Vote on whether or not Jason Todd lived or died back in 1988 was such a huge thing. And the fact that it was a super close result too... Though the movie took liberties with his return. I believe the original version of Red Hood's return was because of Superboy punching reality and bloop there was a Jason Todd alive now. In his coffin. Alive. Buried.
I think that's the strength of some of these DC animated movies. They'll take stories like Under the Red Hood and Flashpoint, cut a lot of the fat out and focus the narrative on just the more important elements. Or stories like the Judas Contract and Death of Superman, stories pretty much everyone already knows, and thus they're able to have a little more freedom in constructing a new story out of the story's basic premise.
That is actually disturbing in a meta sense for the characters point of view. Can you imagine if your life is hanging on the line by a bunch of random interdimensional strangers and they decided to just let you die.
@@brandonlyon730 That's unfortunately the case for alot of characters seeing as so many die in media. But yeah, sometimes I wonder what these characters would say if they met the writers of their stories. I'm guessing stuff along the lines of being angry of having their lives toyed with for entertainment.
My favorite version of Black Mask. Also, so cool that the original writer of the comic helped with the screenplay. He even said it was better than the comic.
This is one of my favorite Batman animated movies! They change all the time but Under the Red Hood, Mask of the Phantasm, and Batman Beyond Return of the Joker are easily top 3 Batman animated movies
He has explained that. He let Dick become Robin cause if he didn't Dick would have ended up just like Bruce, never allowing himself to be happy and dedicating his life to their crusade. But Alfred has explained as well that Dick was always different, and that he brought light to Bruce's life. Bruce has also said that he considers Dick a better man than himself, and that's why believes Nightwing is enough to protect Gotham in his death, he doesn't want Dick to end up like Bruce.
The thing that keeps bringing me back to this movie is just how good it is even if you know red hood is Jason. Theres still so much good writing and character work that they dont have to rely on the big reveal, trying to shock the audience. Instead, they bank on us caring enough about bruce and jason as characters that THAT will fuel our engagement. So good.
Bruce Greenwood does such an amazing job as Batman. I personally say that, any time Kevin Conroy can't play Batman, it should be Bruce Greenwood. He is easily my second favorite voice for Batman
This movie is how my friend introduced me to Batman, and I’ve never looked back! I’ve always loved the Batman and sidekicks of all ages dynamic much more than the Batman solo one shown in the live action movies. She convinced me to watch it due to Jensen Ackles, as I was a huge supernatural fan back then, so I guess I have supernatural to thank for my Batman obsession.
I gotta admit, Joke stopping barman from diffusing the bomb, and (potentially) sacrificing his life only for sake of making this an ironic punchline is one of the best examples of how you describe his character. This lunatic only cares about stuff being funny. A little bit unrelated but another great scene of his (which I sadly forgot the source of) is when he asked a random goon to park his car. Goon was obviously terrified at prospect of interacting with the joker, but much to his confusion Joker let him live. "You... not gonna kill me?" "Oh please, I don't kill everyone I see, I only kill people when its *funny*." And after saying that and goon starting to walk away, Joker just killed him. Ironic, since if goon didn't asked about it, it wouldn't create a great punchline in Joker killing him. Seriously there is a good reason why everyone describe "Chaotic Evil" as "the Joker alignment"
Who else would you put as Chaotic Evil? I know Bellatrix Lestrange and Kefka, then there's cases like Sweeney Todd and Mr Hyde (BBC's Jekyll) who are more Neutral.
You fell in love with the Batman who gives a stupid reason for having a no-killing rule? It makes it seem that the Joker breaking out of Arkham and killing a hundred people means the blood of a hundred people are now on billionare Bruce Wayne's hands. Why? Because billionaire Bruce Wayne tracked down the Joker, took him down and handed him over to Jim Gordon and his cops who handed him over to the courts who handed him over to Arkham. So why are Gordon hands clean when he can put a bullet to the back of the Joker's head? Why are the cops and courts and the staff of Arkham clean of blood? Why is all the people in Gotham who can wield a sniper rifle clean of blood? Why is the Kryptonian in Metropolis or the Amazon from Themyscira free of blood when they could just go to Gotham and flick a coin through an Arkham window and through the Joker's brain, espousing "It had to be done. He was a menace to society."? A much better reason is that it is NOT Bruce Wayne's mission to save Gotham City, it is his misson to help the good people of Gotham City (e.g. Jim Gordon and Dr. Leslie Tompkins) save Gotham City. To be Gotham City's self-appointed mysterious masked executioner (basically beheading the Joker in town square Eddard Stark style for being a menace to society) would be counterproductive to the mission.
@@BoingBoingBang _"You care about this way too much."_ Am I? Children read that comic and watch this animated movie and thinks that is intelligent thought and morally sound. It's also a stupid reason for a no-killing rule since it implies any cop who ended up in a "shoot to kill or let something worse happen" situation and shot to kill is now _lost foreeever down a daaark path._ Sheesh!
This is definitely one of my favorite Batman animated movie. I like that they used the Lazarus Pit to bring Jason Todd back. I like it better than Superboy-Prime punches altering reality; Lazarus Pit keeps it in the Batman mythos.
Nightwing his costume doesn't have any type of wings he's just very flexible and has the most control over his body out of all the Batfamily lol gliding is his thing
One of, if not the best Batman movie DC's ever put out in my opinion. And a great adaptation of the Death in the Family and Red Hood storylines. So glad you guys finally watched this!
Batman is so strict about his code because he is a "killer" at his core, you have people that are naturally good like Clark Kent or Dick Grayson but Bruce isn't one of them. He's not naturally good so he has to try very, very hard to be a good person. He can so easily turn to that side but once he does it would be hard for him to stop (like he said). I think he also doesn't want his children to live with the guilt of them murdering people, no matter how much they may deserve it. It's a pretty cool concept.
Joker in this is probably my fav, John DiMaggio voiced him perfectly imo, it's got a good blend of scary and funny. The one in the animated series "The Batman" was pretty great too.
Probably my favourite animated comic book film. Excellent film that's faithful to the comics and plays on one of the core themes of Batman. His morals.
Y’all know this is based on death in the family/ under the red hood graphic novel. It’s really awesome that Judd widnick got to adapt his iconic graphic novel and wrote the screenplay for this!! I loved what he did for Jason Todd’s Red Hood!
It's also worth pointing out that in the comics, the return of Jason Todd was a red herring in the mystery behind Batman: Hush in 2002. He didn't officially come back from the dead until Under the Red Hood in 2011.
In some versions Black Mask's mask gets melted onto his face, it's also carved from his father's ebony coffin in the comics. Now I want to see them do the choose-your-own-adventure style Death In the Family movie!
Black Mask used to wear a black skull mask (similar to Birds of Prey) until he was set on fire, and it melted onto his face. That's why there are the splotches, it's bits of the mask that melded to his skin
Blindwave... THANK YOU!!!... For Viewing This.. The Redhood Is One Of The Best Batman Animated Movies Ever... I Remember Watching This When It First Came Out It BLEW ME AWAY!!...
One of my favorite Batman animated movies, possibly my #1 favorite as it best articulates the reason for Batman's one rule. It's the same reason Superman vs. the Elite is my favorite Superman animated movie.
_"it best articulates the reason for Batman's one rule."_ I disagree. It's a stupid reason. It makes it seem that the Joker breaking out of Arkham and killing a hundred people means the blood of a hundred people are now on billionare Bruce Wayne's hands. Why? Because billionaire Bruce Wayne tracked down the Joker, took him down and handed him over to Jim Gordon and his cops who handed him over to the courts who handed him over to Arkham. So why are Gordon hands clean when he can put a bullet to the back of the Joker's head? Why are the cops and courts and the staff of Arkham clean of blood? Why is all the people in Gotham who can wield a sniper rifle clean of blood? Why is the Kryptonian in Metropolis or the Amazon from Themyscira free of blood when they could just go to Gotham and flick a coin through an Arkham window and through the Joker's brain, espousing "It had to be done. He was a menace to society."? I repeat, it's a stupid reason. A much better reason is that it is NOT Bruce Wayne's mission to save Gotham City, it is his misson to help the good people of Gotham City (e.g. Jim Gordon and Dr. Leslie Tompkins) save Gotham City. To be Gotham City's self-appointed mysterious masked executioner (basically beheading the Joker in town square Eddard Stark style for being a menace to society) would be counterproductive to the mission.
God, this has to be one of my favorite animated pieces of media out there. Though it’s mainly simple in terms of nothing being too grandiose for a super hero movie (I.E. no flight, super speed, ect), they not only make it look super fluid and weighty for the fights, they also incorporate the skillful tactics in the Bat Family’s moves near perfectly. Amazing stuff 👍🏼
Just dropped by to say hi because I already watched the reaction on Patreon. I’m really loving y’all’s dc animated movie reactions and I hope they keep going. The ones I’d love to see most are the son of Batman trilogy, the Superman animated movies, and the other justice league movies especially gods and monsters since that’s a really interesting alternate timeline story.
In the comics the Joker's origin from the 1951 was that he was the criminal leader of the Red Hood gang. He wore a red hood that hid all his feature. Batman confronts the gang at the Ace Chemical factory and during the fight the Red Hood falls into a vat of chemicals. When he washes out the drain his skin has turn chalk white, his hair green and his lips ruby red and it drives him mad. There are slight recons here and there over the years but that's the basic origin.
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Oh sh!t, never even on my dream that you guys do Spirited Away.
Are you going to do the interactive film?
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Does anybody else get emotional with that last scene with Jason dawning the Robin suit for the first time? The pure innocence and excitement of this "being the best day" of his life seems so sad seeing what happened to him. Red Hood is by far my favorite Batman Animated movie.
The last scene never fails to make me tear up 😢!
Whoever directed that shit is genius tbh.
me too! its been my favorite for a long time!
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When I first watched it I cried my eyes out!
Jensen Ackles voiced Jason Todd in this movie and the new batman movie: Batman: The Long Halloween, Jensen will be voicing Batman
Oh, interesting.
Guess he needs some work after Supernatural finally ended^^
From the trailer, Ackles’ Batman sounds like Conroy + Greenwood, but maybe that’s just me
@@arsenelupin9697 He's going to be in the new season of The Boys too
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"I'm Batman."
“And doing it because.......he took me away from you.” My heart broke at that line wish you could have shown that reaction.
I cry every single time with that line😭
Really drives home the fact that at the end of the day, these are essentially Batman’s sons. Whether because of adoption, biology, or just being by Bruce’s side, they’re his children. The movie really embodied the name sake of its source material. “A Death in the Family”
I like how it frames Batman's no-kill policy in terms of weakness rather than strength. It's not that he's morally superior, it's that he's holding on to this thing by his fingernails and knows he'll become a mass murderer if he doesn't stop himself from killing.
exactly
Like Riddler said, he values ethics over logic. And I can totally see Bruce that way.
I've always defended that Batman not killing makes absolute sense since he is a completely unstable mind. Sure, a singular hero or anyone in general could kill someone as over-the-toply monstrous as Joker and remain virtuous, but someone as broken and angry as Bruce Wayne HAS to force self control.
To the point that I think it's a logic that makes sense in real life. Some people deserve to be killed, some people deserve to be beaten the fuck up, and anger is many times completely justified. There's enough pieces of shit out there. But even if it's morally correct to beat some bully, that shit hurts you too (and by extension, the people in your life). Walking the path of vengeance, rage and violence is destructive... and as overused that trope is, it's very easy to understimate it. Speaking from experience.
Like Batman said in the comic ‘Hush’, that deep down…he KNOWS he’s not a good person and the self imposed no killing rule is the one thing that stops him from going off the deep end
controversial opinion (That will get me killed)
I'd just kill the Joker though and retire. Batman has plenty of sidekicks that can clean Gotham, Nightwing, Red Robin, Spoiler, Orphan, Batwing, Signal, Damian Wayne. He literally can just retire, but he doesn't know how and is addicted.
Jensen Ackles went from voicing Red Hood to Batman!
Don't forget he'll be soldier boy in season 3 of the of the of the boys.
@@SellavinAtoms now watch him uuuuuu
I wish he'd get cast to play Jason more often. I don't feel anyone else comes close to his punk charm
Jensen or Barry Keoghan would be great as Jason in a live action version of this story with an R rating.
Then soldier boy
Actually Dick Grayson is usually depicted around the 9-12 range when his parents were murdered and he became Robin.
Bruce's logic with him is that if Bruce could have gone out and helped people sooner he doesn't think he would have ended up the dark, depressed, obsessed person he is now. So he let Dick go out and fight crime young to help him be a better person than Bruce himself. And funny thing is that it worked.
"Robin needed to help bring the men who murdered his family to justice."
"So he could turn out like you?"
""So that he wouldn't."
@@parkerboy795 That line gets me every time.
though dick did eventually pick up batmans emo attitude and Obession with his job during his teen years though when he became nightwing he mellowed out and was less like batman in terms of ultra seriousness
@@wilmagregg3131 I always read that as Dick trying to act "more adult" by emulating Batman and being more serious, before coming to realize that he could be his own man and do things his own way; which is sorta a classic pattern in coming of age stories.
Like they said in this video, it only "works" because it's fantasy, in real life it would be fucked up child abuse as it's basically an adult with the father title making children soldiers.
In the comics, Jason was brought back when Superboy broke reality- He managed to crawl out of his grave, only to get hit by a car immediately, Talia picked him up, and eventually threw him in the Lazarus pit. They do a pretty good job condensing that back story for this movie.
I believe the Lazarus Pit was always intended to be the only factor in the original story, but Dan Didio opened up his big mouth and promised fans that the resurrection of Jason was tied to Infinite Crisis, so they had to commit to the retcon punch.
Can someone explain to me about Superboy? What's his connection to all of this? Does he connected with The Flash ( Flash Point)? Explain to me the whole story please .
@@firebreathingguy561 Superboy (Prime) literally punched reality during "Infinite Crisis" which in the comics was his way of escaping an "extradimensional" space that he was traped in with a few other people- In the real world, the broken reality was an excuse for DC to change comic continuity. It resulted in multiple things happening, namely origin story changes, and a few people, most notably Jason Todd, coming back to life.
@@Sparda_LDK I always thought Superboy Prime and the punching of reality was such a weird thing.
Jason reviving through the Lazarus Pit made much more sense.
Talia found him wandering around after being brought back by the Superboy-Prime reality punch, but he was almost soulless and catatonic except walking around and being able to beat everyone up except her who he didn’t even fight. She was convinced some of Jason was in there and if she brought him back to Bruce he’d love her. So put Jason in the pit against Ras’s wishes. Then Talia secretly funded and trained Jason for years. And then ultimately after Talia all but raising him for a few years as a surrogate mother… she got angry at Batman for her father dying and Jason wanted revenge… so Jason and Talia have the most bizarre Oedipal sex I’ve seen in DC comics. I’m pretty sure it’s not canon to current DC… but for a while that was a thing. And Jason never told Damien…
This movie made me a Jason Todd fan such an amazing story for the character and Batman
I think alot of people are the same me included because if you wearnt a big comic reader this was alot of people's first experience of him
And people wanted his story gone. Now they have to deal with him and whatever way they want but I’m imagining it’d be funny as hell to see their reaction when they saw him again revived.
That was my Jason Todd introduction and I instsntly fell in love, he is my favourite character now.
well it's kinda funny Jason Todd was not particularly liked as Robin. (There is a theory that a lot of people who voted for Robin to live didn't realize he wasn't the Dick Grayson Robin.) However, when he came back as Red Hood he has been much more well liked.
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This version of Amazo is actually the most accurate in terms of how he appears in the comics. He has often been portrayed like this...a.jacked android with green pants and elf ears, the synthetic skin thing isnt new
I figured they'd know Amazo from young justice reactions.
Think they forgot about him.
@@ArlanKels They generally forgot about most things Young Justice related lol
It's so weird seeing Amazo like that. I know it's far more comic accurate but I grew up with JLU and the DCAU and that Amazo just looks like a cool robot (especially when he returns gold and is near god level)... So weird elf ears and synthetic skin always feels out of place
@@mulv3410 I understand why you feel that way, but ironically that’s the only time he’s been portrayed like that lol. So someone who grew up reading the comics and stuff probably felt just as thrown off as you seeing him as just an all gray/gold robot
@@YoungYahtz94 That's a great point I've never really thought about. I'm sure it's a challenge trying to bring over characters from the comic medium that look alittle goofy. Things don't always transfer well and I think creators sometimes get nervous on how well it'll be received if they stay true to the original. Now that I think about it, if Amazo ever makes it to the big screen, I'd rather see him with elf ears and then maybe an Amazo 2 that could look more JLU like.
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Under the Red Hood is probably one of strongest animated movies they've put out (I'd argue its one of the 6 good ones). Its pacing and action solid; it streamlining and improves the story and all the performances are great. John Dimaggio is great as the Joker; he should play him more.
I couldn’t agree more about DiMaggio. His Joker might actually be my favorite, maybe even more so than Ledger or Hammil’s. He just has such a sinister feeling to every line he says, but he can still hit the high pitched laughter when he needs to. I get chills every time he says “I’m the only one who’s gonna get what he wants tonight!”
The only thing that holds back the movie is the notorious lack of blood (it's clearly toned down, even more compared to later releases)
@@kaleid1014 I remember it being bloody where it needed to be, hell I feel a lot of the later DC animated movies overcompensate on that regard.
What are the other 5 you'd rank?
@@essaquadry The Dark Knight returns part 1&2, Superman vs the Ellite, Wonder Woman 2009, and Superman Man of Tommorow.
This version of Black Mask probably needs a vacation lol
My favorite version of black mask
@@TheIronSnowMan8D my personal favorite is the version from The Batman 2004
@@captaindc3889
Yeah, Black Mask from 'The Batman' did certainly have a cool demeanor, and an intimidating (if slightly questionable) method of choosing Number Ones.
"What does he think this is? A tennis tournament?!" lol
That or some face cream 🧴
John DiMaggio really is such an underrated Joker. I honestly believe that he’s up there with Ledger and Hammil, and might be more comic accurate than both. He has such a sinister vibe but he still nails the delivery on his comedic lines. And the laugh is so damn good. I think I’m actually one of the people who prefers a deeper laugh, which DiMaggio more than delivers on, but he can still hit the higher stuff like Hammil when he needs to.
He made "I'll be sure to pack my toothbrush" a menacing line
W comment because I fucking love John DiMaggio as joker and he's probably my favourite animated joker next to mark hamill
The second costume of Jason Todd is actually based on a later Tim Drake uniform
The showdown fight at the end of the movie is one of the coolest action scenes I had ever seen in a movie when I first saw this. Imagine if they could make live action movie scenes like that.
Stabbing the cape was genius
You say that like live action would be better.
just a small theory on Robert Pattisons Batman - since they are making a trilogy with him, wouldn't it be cool to have the third movie be "Under The Red Hood"? Inspired by this movie a little bit...
I feel like choreography in recent films have gotten pretty good- at least in the better action movies or even TV shows- that it's not that hard.........
@@Marklman I feel in order to do UTRH justice you first need to have Grayson as Robin and then introduce Jason once Dick’s become Nightwing. You have to have Grayson be established because so much of what makes Jason Jason is feeling like he had to live up to Dick. You’d probably also need to establish Barbara since Jason’s been revealed to have had a crush on her, which would only make his jealousy of Dick stronger. One of the things that didn’t work about Arkham Knight’s Jason reveal is that we didn’t get a good idea of what his relationship with the rest of the Family was like before he died, you need those pre established relationships to fully convey the tragedy of this story
"I've never seen that outfit"
Damn it, Eric. Give me back your DC fan card.
He called it the "Bat-plane" instead of the Batwing
I'd say he's more of a DC normie.
As much as I like Eric he’s always seemed to be much more a fan of “the brand” than he is a fan of the stories.
@@randompug1878Actually, it was called the bat-plane before the batwing.
Thats what I was thinking lmao
So happy they finally watched it, in my opinion the best DC animated movie out there
Same, this one and flashpoint paradox
I'm sorry, but no.
"Mask of the Phantasm" is superior in writing, tone and cinematography.
@Crazy Rabbit No, from an objective movie-making point of view.
It's a better crafted movie.
@@arsenelupin9697 a well crafted movie doesn’t mean the movie is better
@@joeshlong9614 Yes, it literally does.
You're enjoyment does not determine the quality of a movie, certain standards do.
You might enjoy "Batman V Superman" more than "12 Angry Men", that doesn't mean that it's the better movie though.
In the comics, Jason actually resurrects in his grave as a result of something Flash or Superboy does (punching the timestream or something like that) but he's still got his injuries. He has to claw his way out and wanders Gotham almost brain dead before Talia finds him. She eventually throws him in the Lazarus Pit.
By this point, Tim Drake is Robin and one of Jason's first acts as Red Hood is to break into Titans Tower, subdue Robin's team non-lethaly and then beat the hell out of Tim for replacing him.
One of the main differences from the comic, and the one I like most, is that in the film Batman hits Jason's gun with his batarang. In the comics, he; for some stupid reason; throws it into Hood's throat.
After the explosion, Jason returns to Gotham and picks up where he left off as a crime lord. He has several encounters with Nightwing and Robin leading up to the Battle of the Cowl, where Bruce is thought dead. Nightwing initially refuses to become Batman so Jason becomes a lethal one instead. They fight over it and Jason manages to almost kill Damian, Tim and Dick on separate occasions but is defeated and put in Arkham when they team up. That's the last we have of villain Red Hood before the new-52 reboot which keeps a lot of the same backstory for him at least but time-skips or something and he's suddenly an antihero rather than an outright villain.
Great reaction anyway, this is one of my favourite DC movies.
The Battle for The Cowl was so badly written with how OOC Jason was.
I really can’t trust anyone other than Judd Winick to write him because the other writes keep messing up his personality, his morals etc.
@@Nirrini I mean, I liked the story but it did seem they pushed Jason's idealogy to his extreme (at best) in order to have a compelling villain. Which ironically, made him less compelling than in Under the Red Hood.
@@adamhughes4387 Well, they did more than that, because the writer of that issue made Jason into a deranged psychopath, almost like a Joker in the making.
Honestly, I see the Battle for The Cowl as the lowest point possible for Jason Todd - where he is at his absolute worst.
And this is why DC comics infuriates me.
They don’t know how to handle Jason, more or less what to do with him.
He went through so many transitions: psychotic, deranged, violent on everybody - then antihero, wise crack, generic.
The only one who had a good grasp on Jason Todd, is Judd Winick.
I still re-read his runs from time to time and I consider his Jason Todd to be the standard, no matter how long Lobdell has been writing him.
It’s Winick for me.
@@Nirrini yea i agree with you there. That has to be my least favorite version of jason. Though in my opinion i feel as though scott lobdel in rebirth has made the best version of jason todd. I love how jason comes back angry at the world and especially at batman, but as time goes on he is able to somewhat mend his relationship with bruce and other members of the batfamily so much so they work together every now and then.I also love how jason actually has a decent relationship with people like dick and tim. There is much more of a brotherly bond. I also like how the outlaws build up and develop his character. Mainly the rebirth outlaws
Sidenote: Tim kicked him in the nuts a few issues later as retaliation.
A factoid I find so interesting is that the story of Red Hood and Jason coming back, and Winter Soldier and Bucky coming back, both comics were released so close together it would have been impossible for either Marvel or DC to copy one another, they just had almost the exact same idea at the same time.
A similar thing also happened with Swamp-Thing and Man-Thing interestingly enough.
This happens surprisingly often: Megamind and Despicable Me; Dredd and The Raid; Super and Kick-Ass etc.
@@DamianKnox11 idgaf about your vendetta. i like both.
Fun fact: The backgrounds used for the final confrontation between Jason and Batman were reused for Red Arrow’s hideout in Young Justice Season 2.
The benefits of having similar animation styles all throughout your animated lineup
It actually appeared in the season 1 penultimate episode. Aqualad knows where his hideout is and goes to confront Roy about being the mole and the hideout is the same design
The gotham overhead (but without the blimp) and the warehouse shots where the drug dealers and red hood meet (the team fights clayface here instead) were also used in yj in the aqualad centric episode in season 1
It’s even more interesting when you know Red Hood and Arsenal are best friends.
This is one of my fav Batman animated movies.
I love it too. My personal favorite is dark knight returns
@@theelderworm9134 same
@@theelderworm9134 bro the tunnel scene gives me chills
This movie is probably one of the best direct adaptations of a comic storyline under the newer DCAU. As someone who read and owns the original comic this is definitely one of my favorite adaptations.
The comic, Under the Hood was written by Judd Winick and its pretty good, the movie was written, ALSO BY HIM, so its not just a good adaptation but pretty much the idelic version of the story that Winick wanted to tell, the very little changes from the original were a few editorial mandates
Yep, he was there to oversee the production of it.
And if I remember correctly, Winick actually prefers the movie over his own comic.
@@Nirrinithe movie gets rid of useless plot lines that were in the comics and makes it solely focused on the story of red hood and Batman, so I honestly agree with him that the movie is better than the comic.
Eric: People should NOT hire the JOKER to do anything!
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Lol
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Yeah, this is the closer adaptation of the Death in the Family story. Arkham Knight takes more liberties with Jason’s story.
Also, Black Mask initially wears a mask but in an accident it gets seared onto his face and it becomes his face. Which is why people say it’s his appearance and not his mask.
the accident also gave him superpowers when he was just a mobster boss before hes immune to all toxins now to the point he smokes cynanide cigareets for the flavour and as a weapon to people who get too close
20:12 - 20:24. That wasn't Red Hood, that was 100% Dean Winchester.
This is the first thing I've ever known Jensen Ackles for. At the time I hadn't watched Supernatural, but all I knew was that his voice acting was fantastic!
In the comics it is even darker. Jason is dead and buried and then Superboy Prime starts punching the walls of reality setting off ripples that change things. One of those things is Jason is suddenly alive again but is buried in his coffin. He literally has to crawl his way out of his own grave. The whole thing leaves Jason totally insane for a while.
I love this movie so much. It more or less dragged me into DC and loving the Jason Todd. I like that Jason's death in this is already considered tragic but in the comics it's much worse considering being betrayed by his mother and still trying to save her. I wish they showed that parts of Jason though. He didn't die cause he was being dumb, he was chasing after his mother and got betrayed, really driving home he's just a kid.
11 years on and it's still one of the best animated movies DC has ever done.
I hope y’all do more Batman animated stuff! Mask of the Phantasm would be a great one to see you guys watch too!
would like you to react to dcau first or at least batman the animated series
Hell yeah!
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They’ve seen Mask of the phantasm already. But yeah, DCAU got some decent entries I’d like to see them react to.
i want to see them react to son of batman so bad
The John DiMaggio Joker is one of the more disturbing to me.
For me, it'd be Michael Emerson. He's so cold and unsettling.
Jared remind me of him, with some good stuff he could be a true joker like they did here
Yes he really gives me uncomfortable vibes
Yeah, Mark Hammil gets the crown but John Dimaggio deserves some major props for a great performance
This boy is a good old classic, let the epicness unfold
1:37 “I haven’t seen like ‘Batman The Animated Series’ and like...”
Rick: *you haven’t seen ‘Mask of the Phantasm’? [So have you always hated freedom?]*
Jensen Ackles's voice was the cherry on top to an amazing character
Is Eric the only one of the crew that thought it was weird for Batman to have this young kid running around in his underwear beating up people
it made sense for the first robin because it was a modifyed form of his old Circus preformer outfit i guess batman just got used to it and made it the standard robin uniform
@@wilmagregg3131 I think Jason even brings it up in some of the more recent comics. He was aware that he was the "replacement". He was constantly compared to Dick and even wore his old costume. Tim made his own costume and made the title of Robin his own, but that's something Jason never did. It's why he was never all that close to Dick even before he became Red Hood.
@@Birthday888 I always found it annoying how Dick instantly embraced Tim and became a brother for him, while NEVER extending the same courtesy to Jason, pre-death and post-death.
@@Nirrini To be fair for Dick, Jason held some resentment towards Dick due to Batman comparing them, even before his death. Dick felt guilty over what happened to Jason, and I believe that's acrually the reason as to why he tried so hard to be a "big brother" figure to Tim. Dick has tried to reach out to Jason post-death, but he's brushed off most of the time.
@@Birthday888 In some versions from what I've heard they were close.
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Apparently the room that Joker, Jason, and Batman are all in are end was remade and can be seen in Young Justice. I think Red Arrow and Cheshire can be seen in it. Kinda cool Easter egg
The ending tho 😭 It gets me every time. "This is the best day of my life".
Same. It's the childish joy in Jason and seeing Bruce smiling and happy gets me.
Wow I’m surprised most of you guys haven’t seen this! This is an animated classic in my opinion
Hands down one of DC best animated films. Direction, story, voice acting, action, THE SCORE! All top notch.
The final scene in the warehouse is a masterpiece
I hope you don't mean Batman giving a stupid reason for having a no-killing rule. It makes it seem that the Joker breaking out of Arkham and killing a hundred people means the blood of a hundred people are now on billionare Bruce Wayne's hands. Why? Because billionaire Bruce Wayne tracked down the Joker, took him down and handed him over to Jim Gordon and his cops who handed him over to the courts who handed him over to Arkham.
So why are Gordon hands clean when he can put a bullet to the back of the Joker's head? Why are the cops and courts and the staff of Arkham clean of blood? Why is all the people in Gotham who can wield a sniper rifle clean of blood? Why is the Kryptonian in Metropolis or the Amazon from Themyscira free of blood when they could just go to Gotham and flick a coin through an Arkham window and through the Joker's brain, espousing "It had to be done. He was a menace to society."?
It's also a stupid reason for a no-killing rule since it implies any cop who ended up in a "shoot to kill or let something worse happen" situation and shot to kill is now _lost forever down a dark path._ Puh-lease!
A much better reason is that it is NOT Bruce Wayne's mission to save Gotham City, it is his misson to help the good people of Gotham City (e.g. Jim Gordon and Dr. Leslie Tompkins) save Gotham City.
To be Gotham City's self-appointed mysterious masked executioner (basically beheading the Joker in town square Eddard Stark style for being a menace to society) would be counterproductive to the mission.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps okay Snyder fanboy
@@JRF1004 "Snyder fanboy"? It has absolutely nothing to do with movie adaptations.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps well you went on a stupid long rant about why Batman can kill so yeah that’s basically everyone that defends BvS to the end.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps If you're so vocal about it, why not make a video about it? I mean, at least you'd have SOMETHING to show for it, instead of just hassling random fans.
The ending gets me every damn time, with little Jason saying "this is the best day of my life"
One of the best DC movies ever made. Under The Red Hood deserves a live-action series/movie adaptation
The closest we got is Jensen displaying as Red Hood.
The reason Black Mask spelled out what he meant by party, is because this is Gotham. Lots of henchmen hire out to more than one supervillain. If they worked for Joker, being told "I want a party waiting for him" might actually MEAN party hats and noisemakers.
Soooo I cried 🤷🏾♀️, there was tears while eating my curry chicken. Also Batman’s got chin for days
This comment made me crave curry chicken lol. You jamaican by any chance?
Batman has one of the most Chad like chins comic book history
One of my favorite Batman storylines. I’d love to see Jason Todd introduced in Robert Pattinson’s Batman universe, and have an adaptation of under the red hood be the finale of the trilogy.
He’s too young to have a Robin...even in about 5-10 years. He’s playing 27 yr old Bruce Wayne! Robin comes when Bats is in his late 30’s and Jason Todd when he’s mid 40’s🤷🏾♂️👍🏾
@@B-Dad exactly, but in a universe like that, with the aesthetic and style, it would work well.
@@B-Dad well Pattinson is 34, so a time jump is very possible. Plus, not everything has to be exactly accurate to the comics and other media. Bale’s Batman didn’t even have a Robin until Batman “died”, and John Blake revealed his name is Robin. So Reeves doesn’t really have to copy-paste all the precise story beats and timelines from the comics.
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He looks too young. Having another actor there would just make it all the more noticeable!
@@B-Dad Again, the timelines of when he gets his Robin/Robins doesn’t have to be completely accurate to the comics. Getting a Robin as more of a little brother figure than a Son, would be cool too.
In the 80’s Jason Todd was a unpopular character. When he was created, he was basically a Grayson copy with a very similar origin of his parents being acrobats. The only differences being Jason's parents were killed by Killer Croc, and he actually dyed his hair black after Batman made him Robin. After “Crisis on Infinite Earths” Jason was given the origin we all know of him stealing tires off the Batmobile which Batman had parked in Crime Alley that night. Post-crisis Jason was a rebel who often didn't listen to Batman. In 1988, Jason was captured by Joker and Joker started beating him with a crowbar, after which he uses a bomb to blow up the warehouse with Jason inside. Fans voted (by calling one of two numbers) on whether Jason would survive or not. 10,614 votes altogether. 5,343 votes to 5,271, the votes for his death won by 72. There is a rumor that one guy may have rigged the vote, but it hasn't been proven. Jason died and wasn't brought back until 2005, when he came back as the badass Red Hood.
Dick Greyson is always depicted as more agile as batman since his circus training so to me him jumping over the containers seemed normal when i watched this
yeah trained jumpers can jump really high. the french army used to have a unit called the voltigeurs. the miniumum requirement to pass was to be able to jump over a horse from a stationary position, and they had less than a years training which included other things like muscketry.
the current highest measured jump on record for humans is 2.25 m (or 7.4 feet), and it only took 3 years of training (and a unique technique) to get it. i can easily imagine someone with more training for jumping and the right technique could potentially get higher
I think Black Mask originally just wore a Black Mask but then during a confrontation it did get melted and fused on his face. I’m assuming that happens here because of the droplets on his neck
John Dimaggio as the Joker is just...😗👌
which is great cause John has talked about how scared he was to take on the role, having to follow the talents of Hamill and etc.
DC needs a live action Rated R red hood movie that explores his trauma, streetsmarts, a love interest that understands him and would be about batman gone missing n jokers dead.
I want a Jason series where each season is a part of his life, season one his childhood and his robin life, season 2 either him becoming red hood or his red hood time and the finale him and Bruce coming to terms.
And maybe the outlaws with Artemis and bizarro?
I knew Aaron was gonna notice the female assassin!
That guy really has a thing for redheads, doesn't he?
yes so do i lol it's weird his wife is not a redhead she would be that much hotter!
@@RandyReviews1990 Aaron's wife is a redhead, isn't she?
@@RandyReviews1990 His wife is a red head. Do you think he'd be making these jokes if she wasn't?
Kinda gross how much redheads are sexualised
@@chill-lady-brook We were just joking around. If we offended you in any way, I'm truly sorry.
This is arguably My Favorite DC animated movie, the cast is great, and the animation is amazing
@CyberDalek17 _"and the dialog is beautiful"_
Except for that stupid speech about why Batman doesn't kill. It makes it seem that the Joker breaking out of Arkham and killing a hundred people means the blood of a hundred people are now on billionare Bruce Wayne's hands. Why? Because billionaire Bruce Wayne tracked down the Joker, took him down and handed him over to Jim Gordon and his cops who handed him over to the courts who handed him over to Arkham.
So why are Gordon hands clean when he can put a bullet to the back of the Joker's head? Why are the cops and courts and the staff of Arkham clean of blood? Why is all the people in Gotham who can wield a sniper rifle clean of blood? Why is the Kryptonian in Metropolis or the Amazon from Themyscira free of blood when they could just go to Gotham and flick a coin through an Arkham window and through the Joker's brain, espousing "It had to be done. He was a menace to society."?
It's a stupid speech because it's a stupid reason for a no-killing rule.
A much better reason is that it is NOT Bruce Wayne's mission to save Gotham City, it is his misson to help the good people of Gotham City (e.g. Jim Gordon and Dr. Leslie Tompkins) save Gotham City.
To be Gotham City's self-appointed mysterious masked executioner (basically beheading the Joker in town square Eddard Stark style for being a menace to society) would be counterproductive to the mission.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps you make good points, in the grand scheme of things Jim could have just shot the Joker. But in regards to Batman I always refer back to the Dark Knight "you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain" Bruce knows if his crosses that line he in his mind becomes the villain or see himself similar to the man who killed his parents. And Bruce knows he himself is unstable with the trauma he suffered, because he knows if he snaps, the bodies will keep piling up, and his speech is him putting his internal struggle to words, he wanted to kill the Joker and maybe all the other criminals of Gotham, but it's not what his parents would have wanted for him. It's like Batman trying to talk sense into Superman in chapter 1 of Injustice 2 trying to say what clark was doing wasn't what Lois would have wanted for him. And Jason couldn't see past through his own issues to understand, he himself could have killed the Joker right in that room but he wanted to prove to Bruce that his way works better and he was kind of right, they said crime was down, but he didn't realize that if Bruce himself results to those tactics, he'd become the thing he swore to take down.
@@CyberDalek17 Spoilers for The Dark Knight and Man Of Steel
_"But in regards to Batman I always refer back to The Dark Knight "you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain" Bruce knows if his crosses that line in his mind becomes the villain or see himself similar to the man who killed his parents."_
But that depends on the circumstances. He kills Harvey Dent in that movie, does he consider himself "the villain" in the next movie? No. Does he consider himself Joe Chill? No.
Now I understand the... wise words but the movie proves you wrong regarding this topic.
Superman kills Zod in Man Of Steel, is he suddenly "the villain" because of it? Is he immediately Zod now, killing to get his way? No, it just doesn't work like that.
_"Bruce knows he himself is unstable with the trauma he suffered, because he knows if he snaps, the bodies will keep piling up, and his speech is him putting his internal struggle to words"_
And this is just you spelling out that speech to me, you're not adding anything. What you then say about Injustice Batman and this movie's Jason is all beside the point.
I'll put it in overly strong terms to get my point across because I'm tired and would just be vague otherwise:
Your "unstable" Batman is an idiot. He's an immature musclehead. He says he fantasizes daily of torturing the Joker for all the pain he's caused others and then terminating him which l hope is exaggeration for Jason's sake and he's just a good liar. But what makes him an immature idiot musclehead is that a Batman who is not an immature idiot musclehead would say what I've suggested: "That would be sabotaging the mission. There would have been no Bat-Signal. There would have been no alliance with Gordon. There would just be more bullets flying at me because I would just be another costumed killer marking territory, for the people of Gotham to lock their doors against, making it a worse place to live. That is the exact opposite of what I created Batman for. I would have done more good becoming the crime lord of Gotham from the beginning, as you are doing."
Why? Because that works without Bruce bringing _Bruce Wayne's individual psyche_ into it and certainly without making it _all about it._
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps fair enough, still a good movie though, I'll retract what I said about the dialog being beautiful. Really I was just looking for adjectives to put in a reply but didn't know it would spark an interesting conversation
@@CyberDalek17 Oh, dialogue can be beautiful, it's just that rationale that just galls me because it makes Batman this... pretentious "Look how edgy I am because I'm Bruce Wayne under here, I'm so on the edge here you don't even know." when the simpler rationale is better on every level.
The fact that people had to Vote on whether or not Jason Todd lived or died back in 1988 was such a huge thing.
And the fact that it was a super close result too...
Though the movie took liberties with his return. I believe the original version of Red Hood's return was because of Superboy punching reality and bloop there was a Jason Todd alive now.
In his coffin. Alive. Buried.
I think that's the strength of some of these DC animated movies. They'll take stories like Under the Red Hood and Flashpoint, cut a lot of the fat out and focus the narrative on just the more important elements. Or stories like the Judas Contract and Death of Superman, stories pretty much everyone already knows, and thus they're able to have a little more freedom in constructing a new story out of the story's basic premise.
abd the fact that he probably wouldnt have died if it wasnt for people spamming votes
That is actually disturbing in a meta sense for the characters point of view. Can you imagine if your life is hanging on the line by a bunch of random interdimensional strangers and they decided to just let you die.
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Yeah Jason was super super hated by some of the fanbase.
Like to a scary degree.
@@brandonlyon730 That's unfortunately the case for alot of characters seeing as so many die in media. But yeah, sometimes I wonder what these characters would say if they met the writers of their stories. I'm guessing stuff along the lines of being angry of having their lives toyed with for entertainment.
My favorite version of Black Mask. Also, so cool that the original writer of the comic helped with the screenplay. He even said it was better than the comic.
This is one of my favorite Batman animated movies! They change all the time but Under the Red Hood, Mask of the Phantasm, and Batman Beyond Return of the Joker are easily top 3 Batman animated movies
I think Batman takes kids in as sidekicks because they have a similar path to him when he was a kid and doesn’t want them to go down the path he did
He has explained that. He let Dick become Robin cause if he didn't Dick would have ended up just like Bruce, never allowing himself to be happy and dedicating his life to their crusade. But Alfred has explained as well that Dick was always different, and that he brought light to Bruce's life. Bruce has also said that he considers Dick a better man than himself, and that's why believes Nightwing is enough to protect Gotham in his death, he doesn't want Dick to end up like Bruce.
The thing that keeps bringing me back to this movie is just how good it is even if you know red hood is Jason. Theres still so much good writing and character work that they dont have to rely on the big reveal, trying to shock the audience. Instead, they bank on us caring enough about bruce and jason as characters that THAT will fuel our engagement. So good.
Helps that Ackles is pulling hard on that Dean Winchester vibe-I WAS IN PURGATORY for a year, Sam! Never ending 360 degree combat. You don’t know!
Bruce Greenwood does such an amazing job as Batman. I personally say that, any time Kevin Conroy can't play Batman, it should be Bruce Greenwood. He is easily my second favorite voice for Batman
That "This is the best day of my life" gets me teary eyed every time.
This movie is how my friend introduced me to Batman, and I’ve never looked back! I’ve always loved the Batman and sidekicks of all ages dynamic much more than the Batman solo one shown in the live action movies. She convinced me to watch it due to Jensen Ackles, as I was a huge supernatural fan back then, so I guess I have supernatural to thank for my Batman obsession.
I gotta admit, Joke stopping barman from diffusing the bomb, and (potentially) sacrificing his life only for sake of making this an ironic punchline is one of the best examples of how you describe his character.
This lunatic only cares about stuff being funny.
A little bit unrelated but another great scene of his (which I sadly forgot the source of) is when he asked a random goon to park his car. Goon was obviously terrified at prospect of interacting with the joker, but much to his confusion Joker let him live.
"You... not gonna kill me?"
"Oh please, I don't kill everyone I see, I only kill people when its *funny*."
And after saying that and goon starting to walk away, Joker just killed him. Ironic, since if goon didn't asked about it, it wouldn't create a great punchline in Joker killing him. Seriously there is a good reason why everyone describe "Chaotic Evil" as "the Joker alignment"
Who else would you put as Chaotic Evil?
I know Bellatrix Lestrange and Kefka, then there's cases like Sweeney Todd and Mr Hyde (BBC's Jekyll) who are more Neutral.
This is the first movie that I fell in love with Batman.
You fell in love with the Batman who gives a stupid reason for having a no-killing rule? It makes it seem that the Joker breaking out of Arkham and killing a hundred people means the blood of a hundred people are now on billionare Bruce Wayne's hands. Why? Because billionaire Bruce Wayne tracked down the Joker, took him down and handed him over to Jim Gordon and his cops who handed him over to the courts who handed him over to Arkham.
So why are Gordon hands clean when he can put a bullet to the back of the Joker's head? Why are the cops and courts and the staff of Arkham clean of blood? Why is all the people in Gotham who can wield a sniper rifle clean of blood? Why is the Kryptonian in Metropolis or the Amazon from Themyscira free of blood when they could just go to Gotham and flick a coin through an Arkham window and through the Joker's brain, espousing "It had to be done. He was a menace to society."?
A much better reason is that it is NOT Bruce Wayne's mission to save Gotham City, it is his misson to help the good people of Gotham City (e.g. Jim Gordon and Dr. Leslie Tompkins) save Gotham City.
To be Gotham City's self-appointed mysterious masked executioner (basically beheading the Joker in town square Eddard Stark style for being a menace to society) would be counterproductive to the mission.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps You care about this way too much.
@@BoingBoingBang _"You care about this way too much."_
Am I? Children read that comic and watch this animated movie and thinks that is intelligent thought and morally sound.
It's also a stupid reason for a no-killing rule since it implies any cop who ended up in a "shoot to kill or let something worse happen" situation and shot to kill is now _lost foreeever down a daaark path._ Sheesh!
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps lol yea you are a little too emotional over a comic book character/cartoon movie.
@@notyouraveragebear9326 What does _emotions_ have to do with it?
The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 & 2, the most badass interpretation of Batman ever!!! Animated movie is great.
This is definitely one of my favorite Batman animated movie. I like that they used the Lazarus Pit to bring Jason Todd back. I like it better than Superboy-Prime punches altering reality; Lazarus Pit keeps it in the Batman mythos.
Nightwing his costume doesn't have any type of wings he's just very flexible and has the most control over his body out of all the Batfamily lol gliding is his thing
I've been waiting a long time for this. Also I'm really curious to see how Titans would adapt the Red Hood story
The voice work for this movie is so good! Jensen Ackles as Red Hood, John DiMaggio as Joker, Neil Patrick Harris as Nightwing.....OFF THE CHARTS!
It's Jason but wearing Tim Drake's Robin outfit. The movie also cuts the part about Jason's mother also being in the warehouse.
This movie hits different and that's facts
Hits like a crowbar.
@@Blitzwaffen It's definitely the bomb
This movie introduced me to Jason Todd/Red Hood and I fell in love with the character.
Same.
Now if only DC had remembered he's more compelling as a darker counterpart to Batman's crusade than as a toothless antihero.
That’s why I Red Hood is my favorite out of the Bat family because he’s different from any Batman families.
One of, if not the best Batman movie DC's ever put out in my opinion. And a great adaptation of the Death in the Family and Red Hood storylines. So glad you guys finally watched this!
Batman is so strict about his code because he is a "killer" at his core, you have people that are naturally good like Clark Kent or Dick Grayson but Bruce isn't one of them. He's not naturally good so he has to try very, very hard to be a good person. He can so easily turn to that side but once he does it would be hard for him to stop (like he said). I think he also doesn't want his children to live with the guilt of them murdering people, no matter how much they may deserve it. It's a pretty cool concept.
"Which robin is this?" Dude if you dont know after reading the title then idk what to tell you
Tim Drake becomes red robin when batman "dies". He goes off on an adventure to prove that he isnt dead
Seriously one of the best animated batman movies. Also john dimaggio is in my top 3 joker voice actors behind Hamill and Troy Baker
Joker in this is probably my fav, John DiMaggio voiced him perfectly imo, it's got a good blend of scary and funny. The one in the animated series "The Batman" was pretty great too.
In The Comics, Dick and Jason were closer post-Robin than when they actually were Robin!
Depends on the continuity.
@@fromolwyoming Doesn`t that sum up DC in general,though?I mean at least MARVEL spaces out its universe-wide reboots!
Probably my favourite animated comic book film. Excellent film that's faithful to the comics and plays on one of the core themes of Batman. His morals.
Y’all know this is based on death in the family/ under the red hood graphic novel. It’s really awesome that Judd widnick got to adapt his iconic graphic novel and wrote the screenplay for this!! I loved what he did for Jason Todd’s Red Hood!
Really great movie, my favorite of the animated Batman movies.
This is one of the best Batman movies, and highly underrated.
This movies is the best comic book animated movie EVER. It’s sooo damn good, like a S++ tier, from the voice actors to the dialog. It’s AMAZING
I absolutely love this movie, glad you guys reacted too this masterpiece!
I can't wait for them to get to Batman vs Robin. Loved the choreography in that one!
It's also worth pointing out that in the comics, the return of Jason Todd was a red herring in the mystery behind Batman: Hush in 2002. He didn't officially come back from the dead until Under the Red Hood in 2011.
In some versions Black Mask's mask gets melted onto his face, it's also carved from his father's ebony coffin in the comics.
Now I want to see them do the choose-your-own-adventure style Death In the Family movie!
Black Mask used to wear a black skull mask (similar to Birds of Prey) until he was set on fire, and it melted onto his face. That's why there are the splotches, it's bits of the mask that melded to his skin
this is such a classic 👌I love it
Blindwave... THANK YOU!!!... For Viewing This.. The Redhood Is One Of The Best Batman Animated Movies Ever... I Remember Watching This When It First Came Out It BLEW ME AWAY!!...
One of my favorite Batman animated movies, possibly my #1 favorite as it best articulates the reason for Batman's one rule. It's the same reason Superman vs. the Elite is my favorite Superman animated movie.
_"it best articulates the reason for Batman's one rule."_
I disagree. It's a stupid reason. It makes it seem that the Joker breaking out of Arkham and killing a hundred people means the blood of a hundred people are now on billionare Bruce Wayne's hands. Why? Because billionaire Bruce Wayne tracked down the Joker, took him down and handed him over to Jim Gordon and his cops who handed him over to the courts who handed him over to Arkham.
So why are Gordon hands clean when he can put a bullet to the back of the Joker's head? Why are the cops and courts and the staff of Arkham clean of blood? Why is all the people in Gotham who can wield a sniper rifle clean of blood? Why is the Kryptonian in Metropolis or the Amazon from Themyscira free of blood when they could just go to Gotham and flick a coin through an Arkham window and through the Joker's brain, espousing "It had to be done. He was a menace to society."?
I repeat, it's a stupid reason.
A much better reason is that it is NOT Bruce Wayne's mission to save Gotham City, it is his misson to help the good people of Gotham City (e.g. Jim Gordon and Dr. Leslie Tompkins) save Gotham City.
To be Gotham City's self-appointed mysterious masked executioner (basically beheading the Joker in town square Eddard Stark style for being a menace to society) would be counterproductive to the mission.
God, this has to be one of my favorite animated pieces of media out there. Though it’s mainly simple in terms of nothing being too grandiose for a super hero movie (I.E. no flight, super speed, ect), they not only make it look super fluid and weighty for the fights, they also incorporate the skillful tactics in the Bat Family’s moves near perfectly. Amazing stuff 👍🏼
Damn I missed the reaction to the line "because he took me away from you"
I actually really love dimaggio's joker. he's the perfect amount of menacing for this story.
18:04 Exactly. Don't hire Joker to do anything. He'll betray you and try to kill you every time.
This movie is in one of the top 3 DC animated movies of all time and I'm glad you guys checked it out!!!
Just dropped by to say hi because I already watched the reaction on Patreon. I’m really loving y’all’s dc animated movie reactions and I hope they keep going. The ones I’d love to see most are the son of Batman trilogy, the Superman animated movies, and the other justice league movies especially gods and monsters since that’s a really interesting alternate timeline story.
In the comics the Joker's origin from the 1951 was that he was the criminal leader of the Red Hood gang. He wore a red hood that hid all his feature. Batman confronts the gang at the Ace Chemical factory and during the fight the Red Hood falls into a vat of chemicals. When he washes out the drain his skin has turn chalk white, his hair green and his lips ruby red and it drives him mad. There are slight recons here and there over the years but that's the basic origin.