He’s in the newest film too. Also why is the crew so quick to thumb down new stuff. Starting on young justice made them downplay good Batman films. Good is great and knight wing is great and can beat the hood.
DC admitted it was a mistake. because they didn't have a system in place to regulate voting. So there were confirmed cases of people voting several dozen times to hundreds of times to kill him. Some people even came out and stated they didn't even want Jason to die, just that they wanted to as fans, have an impact on the comic book universe.
No, Ra's al Ghul never trained Bruce Wayne. That was only in Batman Begins. Canonically, Brue didn't meet Ra's until he had already been Batman for several years.
@@ShardSpyder Well said. I know the majority of people don't read comics (or in general), but the passionate fan in me can't help but get annoyed whenever I hear so many casuals (for lack of a better term) get comic lore blatantly wrong and act like it's fact.
@@joshuanelson6795 i'd generally agree with you on that. but if i remember correctly in Zdarskys Batman: The Knight we see Batmans and Ghostmakers "backstory" where they were trained by many masters and "competed" against each other and the last of them was Ra's, afterwards Bruce went back to Gotham to become Batman. and that is now considered canon. i can understand it but personally not too much of a fan of that retcon
John Dimaggio is an amazing Joker. I was hesitant at first when I heard that Bender would be Joker, but he did a brilliant job. To be fair, the Joker does have similar troll qualities that Bender has 😂. Dimaggio delivers a much more understated and chilling performance as the Joker that I was thoroughly impressed.
Agreed though most Joker casting is pretty good. Even the Kevin Michael Richardson's Joker in 2004 "The Batman" animated series brought something new and unique to the role despite his version being different than what the viewer was accustomed to at the time.
@@chaost4544 Yeah he was good too. The design took a while to get used to, but it grew on me. Kevin Michael Richardson is everywhere. Pretty sure he voice acts the voice in my head alongside Troy Baker, Nolan North, and Laura Bailey 😂
I was lucky enough to meet him at a comic con and he signed a Joker poster and he did the "i'm gonna need some guys.." line and the laugh it was awesome
people forget that joker is a criminal and crime lord. He was like that back in bronze and silver era comics. You need to mix the insanity with crime lord stuff and being gangster and having guns and lives.
Fun fact: In the comics, Jason did lose pretty badly to Nightwing during the Battle for the Cowl. It was mainly spurred on by Jason, making Dick think he had killed Tim and Dick getting angry enough to use killing moves. Pre-New52 Nightwing was so overprotective of Tim and Damian that he was known to lose control and toe the "no killing" line.
the old nightwing was a player, who fucked so many women but they did change it. It seems like 90s and 2000s era of DC males, fucking all the women. I know now they changed with some female characters having sex with other males or females and we got some gay male characters.
@@DANTE83100 True! Quite a few people don't realize Nightwing isn't always this happy go lucky angel in the comics. He was pretty cold with Jason Todd at times and had to do some growing up himself. I think after he took the cowl, he started making more of an effort with Jason, but by then, it was too little too late.
Jason was 16 when he died, and yes he's still out their doing his own thing. All of the robins have been through a lot but Bruce and Jason later reconcile in the comics
The events in this movie get referenced on and off throughout S4 in some shape form or fashion so it’s kinda timely you guys are watching this before S4
At least they'll understand the reference. Now the only thing they'll miss is the most important one for the best episode of the season... the Razer reference.
For the little story...DC run a poll in 1988 with the fan to decide if Jason Todd would be killed or saved...The fans voted to killed him and only 72 votes made the difference, which lead to a Death in the Family story. Jason Todd was very divisive in the fandom, being from different background and being less emphatic than Dick Grayson. Some says, if they did the poll again, he would have survive today, in 1988 the DC phone line was filled with angry fan of the decision...Do you think they did right ?
Comics can be so static, I think anything to shake them up can be a good thing, even if it risks alienating old fans. I remember when they first moved Tony Stark's Iron Man origin from Vietnam to Desert storm and it infuriated me. Why get rid of your own established history? Why not come up with something new? It's like how a lot of people were super angry when Optimus Prime died in the 86 Transformers movie, but even as a kid I appreciated how high that made the stakes.
It was innovative at the very least, and was a dramatic way to close the tragedy with Jason reuniting with his mother who abandoned him. Then, it does kind of a weird turn where the story acts more of an indictment against Iran, rather than the Joker.
@@anibal5845 yeah but overall the dcamu is more their style, once they know the base line lore from something their more familiar with they can get into shows like thay
They need to at least watch Green Lantern animated series. That way they can fully comprehend and appreciate the best episode of the coming season of Young Justice... The Razer episode 😁👍
You know something, I always considered Bucky Barnes to be the Marvel version of Jason Todd. In the comics he was Captain America's sidekick instead of his best friend.
@@Andros1921 Yeah what's weird is that it wasn't one company copying another for once just a coincidence that the writers were working on these stories at the same time
I like this ending better than the comic. In the comic, Batman threw the blade at Jason's throat and saved the Joker. It makes more sense for him to save Jason since he's family.
Jason was holding Joker at gunpoint, and threw the other gun to Batman, telling him he was going to shoot the Joker on the count of three if Batman didn't shoot him first. It was ridiculous to think (at that point in the comics) that Batman would ever use a gun, so him using a Batarang to save Joker's life (since all three ended up surviving) made perfect sense.
Also, the story had some distractions with other subplots from other comic series, such as the destruction of Bludhaven happening in the background of this story. I think the film did a great job at adapting the story
This movie was so good they revisited it in later years for a special edition were the viewers chooses the adventure type beat. Meaning there's multiple ending to this movie in that special edition.
I feel like WB is owned by people like normies in that they can’t make a good Batman or great when this is done so much in old films and a tight 90 min film. I can see this done shot for shot live action and it would be getting accolades
@@jp3813 sorry my sentence was confusing lol. What I meant by old films is basically not “old” in a way. I mean the animated movies prior flashpoint paradox. Tight 80 min films with action and great stories and themes vs okay stuff they pump out for live action. The Batman wasn’t bad for example or a lot of other stuff. Just that the animation and live action are night and day quaility wise. Heck even xmen 97 is better and and tighter than most marvel films. But I’m just bias and grumpy 😝
@@jp3813 I would pay for an live action over the edge episode of Batman the animated series made into a 80 min movie shot for shot script it would be so highly rated and tight storytelling but the execs feel like they don’t get their characters. Moody sad Superman first go really??? Batman who kills??? Sure try something new but set the foundation first. Still enjoy those films though 😃
the thing is, that Jason doesn't know, is that, in the comics, Bruce did go after the Joker after Jason's death. Two things stopped him from killing the clown. One was the fact that the Joker had somehow managed to become the Iranian ambassador to the UN, thus granting him diplomatic immunity. Bruce, however, doesn't care about starting an international incident, so he goes after the Joker anyway. Superman has to step in and tell Bruce that if he starts an international incident, the UN is gonna order him after Bruce. Bruce backs off, but warns Clark that WHEN the Joker steps out of line, he'll come for him. Joker, of course, steps out of line, Bruce comes after him, and comes very close to beating him to death, but Clark stops him, because he knows that Bruce would never forgive himself if he killed.
1:11:50 Just in case you may have forgot: We saw a glimpse of this in YJ Season 3 Episode 6 after Brion, Halo, and Forager attack Ra's al Ghul. As the team is leaving with Dick Grayson.
Batman believes in the system. Gotham wants Batman to kill Joker so their hands are clean. If they really wanted Joker dead that bad, he'd get the death penalty. They just want someone else to do it so they don't have to deal with the personal consequences.
I am not a lawyer. What I'm about to say may be wrong. Confer with an American criminal lawyer. To my knowledge, the American legal system cannot kill someone who is declared legally insane. They can put Joker on death row. They can't execute him until he is declared legally sane. The American legal system is perfectly designed to leave Joker alive. Every time a criminal is arrested, by law, they must have their day in court. Even if it's obvious that they're guilty, they will have a trial of some kind. A lawyer will be provided to them if they don't already have one. The lawyer, by law, must provide the best legal defense possible. The only legal defense the Joker can claim is insanity. Can you honestly claim that the Joker is NOT insane? That he is without question of sound mind? This is why he ends up in Arkham.
@@TheJacobG Yeah, that's something that bothers me with the whole "Batman is responsible for Joker's crimes". Like, okay he could kill him but why would it be HIS responsability? Why can't a cop or a random criminal or even a normal citizen can't just shoot him?
47:49 Nightwing is canonically the best hand to hand fighter amongst the Robins and even beat Batman in a no holds barred fist fight. He also has defeated Red Hood multiple times. Jason cannot win a fight without some stupid plan sorry.
This means nothing because in the past 6 years in DC comics, Jason has beaten Nightwing a few times. Sometime around the Cheer line storyline he beats him and Tim. “Canonically” means absolutely nothing because it’s constantly changing. Also NW a better hand to hand fighter than all the robins would be true if we are talking about teenage Tim, Jason, and Damian. But as adults?? Doubt it
Nightwing is the best canon means something and stupid writers trying to even the odds most probably. Nightwing is way more gifted in fighting and stuff than the rest due to his carnie background
@@nic558 Tim and Damian aren't canonically adults (Tim is weird age wise tbh) and no Jason isn't beating him consistently without getting the jump on him. Tim is like the weakest robin combat wise so idek why u brought him up
“How many years has Batman been doing this?” A long time. He adopted Dick a little while after his family was murdered and trained him to be Robin after he kept sneaking out trying to find his family’s killer. After Dick grew up and eventually left Gotham Batman came across Jason in a bad part of the city after he had stripped the tires off the Batmobile in the short time Batman was gone and took him a bit later. Tim figured out Batman and Nightwing’s identities on his own and was convinced Batman needed a Robin at his side (he did) and was basically given the role by Dick and Alfred. After that my limited knowledge becomes more limited as we get Barbara (Batgirl), Stephanie (Spoiler), Cassandra the GOAT (Orphan), Kate (Batwoman), and even more than them. The Bat Family was fucking large
Going by the this film's isolated continuity, Black Mask took control of Gotham organised crime 20 years ago, so Batman has likely been operating for that long.
DC has reset their continuity a few times (and pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths they had, well infinite earths, so they could tell stories that completely contradicted each other and just say they were different continuities). But in most cases, Barbara in contemporaneous with Dick Grayson, where Cassandra and Stephanie came about later (I think more in line with Damian's time, but I'm not sure since I was pretty burned out on comics by the early 2000s)
i'm surprised yall didn't recognize Cheshire's voice actress as black mask's assistant. fun trivia: the apartment room (background) jason gets jumps into was reused as Red Arrow's apartment in YJ season 2 episode 4.
Ra’s typically knows Batman is Bruce. Unclear if the YJ version does, I think. Also the use of the Lazarus Pit. It hasn’t appeared on screen in YJ but it was implied. He got impaled in S2 then came back just fine. And it did appear in the comics bridging the first two seasons Using the Lazarus Pit for resurrection is not recommended. Something something unnatural, something something can’t bring back someone 100% so madness replaces what’s missing. Black Mask’s face situation varies across iterations. Regular mask, mechanical mask, mask got melted onto his face or something similar leaving him looking like that permanently. Resurrected Jason was all but explicitly confirmed in YJ S3. A league ninja recognizes the name Grayson, Ra’s says he’s getting his memories back, and he’s credit as Red Hooded Ninja Jason was _not_ liked when he was Robin. That’s why he was voted to be killed off.
YJ Ra's knows... that is a cannon event across media actually. I mean all of the key members of the Light know who all of the heroes are.. their "nuclear option" is killing their families
Still a great action packed and emotional film, love it. 1:05:42 A Superboy, who went bad, punched a reality wall that caused timeline retons. 2006 was a crazy time.
Nightwing is the third best fighter out of the Batfamily behind Cassandra Cain/Batgirl then Bruce. But just watching the DC cartoons you wouldn’t know cause they hate him
@harlanglasper1227 That's definitely not true either part he's never really put up a good fight against him that wasn't had to him by batman and he's definitely not the 2nd best that would be cassandra
This is definitely in my top 3 DC animated films. Y’all gotta watch more like The Dark Knight Returns, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox, Crisis on Two Earths, Batman: The Long Halloween etc.
I have few complaints about this movie, but one definite one is how they toned down what made Bruce upset at Jason. He didn't break some guy's collarbone - in the comic Jason as Robin is implied to have shoved a serial rapist off a building to his death because he had attacked a girl Jason knew, and that girl ended herself over it. Jason says the guy saw him and slipped in a panic, but Bruce isn't sure he believes him, but isn't sure he wants to know the truth either.
Superboy Prime is from "our reality". He reads Superman comics based on the other DC universes. It is confusing but DC created our reality as Prime Earth. He is first introduced during Crisis on Infinite Earths which has been made into 4 movies. That is a deep dive into the DC universe. Some of you may like it.
"I don't have to save you either" is only a Nolan line. Batman has always saved his villains, because that's the right thing to do. Also, why does everyone want Batman to kill? You know what that is? That's The Punisher. Go watch him if you want to see a Batman who murders without qualms.
Recently, Bruce admitted that recruiting Jason was a mistake b/c he already had a toxic relationship with violence from his upbringing. Dick was from a loving background and had a tragedy similar to bruce's befall him. Bruce was afraid he'd go down a similar path, so he adopted him and trained him to overcome that grief. Jason was an abused kid in a bad neighborhood who lived a life of violence before he tried to steal the batmobile's tires. He's the kind of kid that needs to be led away from that kind of environment. But Bruce wanted to fill the void left by Dick leaving and becoming Nightwing, so he took him in and trained him to be even more violent.
Great discussion guys, and not killing is pretty much Batman whole ideology. I do feel there is a zero tolerance for Justice League members not killing any villains even in self defense. Remember in Young Justice how quickly everyone turn on Brion after he kill his uncle.
in Batman comic #386, it was revealed that Roman Sionis was a failed cosmetic industrialist who had murdered his parents and carved a mask using the ebony wood of his parent's coffins, which was later burned onto his face.
Everyone seems to have this conversation about the no kill rule and they always come to same conclusion based on their lack of experience. Once you do something you are vehemently against, the next time becomes that much easier to justify. Bruce knows himself enough to know, if he were to give into that, there would be probably no stopping, he would be able to justify merc'ing everyone, every villain, every obstacle. He has that much pent up rage, sadness and aggression, he doesnt know if once thats released if he could ever just stop. At the end of the day, he is still that sad little boy who lost his parents to violence, and he cares too much about people that he will even save villains that dont deserve it. We have seen an unhinged Batman several times, one of which was his father in flashpoint, actively just throwing people off of rooftops once they are not longer useful for information.
Jason Todd was the regular Robin twice before being killed. Originally he was a carbon copy of Dick, right down to being an acrobat, but then Crisis on Infinite Earths happened, which was a line wide reboot of the DC Universe. The plan was to update/refresh/streamline the comic line and make it easier to jump into, but Batman was doing just fine before the reboot, so there wasn't much of a need for a major shake up. Rather than keeping him as a copy of Dick, they went the opposite way and he was the son of a criminal killed by Two-Face left fending for himself (which is why he was needing to steal tires to get by). One of his best stories is trying to save a woman from an abuser who has diplomatic immunity (they loved that in the 80s), after catching him red handed and arrested, the abuser is freed and makes a call to the victim, by the time they get to her, she has already killed herself. This is where the seeds of the Red Hood is planted, we see Robin surprising the abuser on his balcony, then we see the guy falling to his death. Gordon says something like that Robin said "he was surprised and fell, I don't know if I believe him". I vote for that he chucked him off the building, but within the issue it is not certain. Death in the Family is the story with the call in gimmick, they had two endings worked out, one where Batman is exclaiming that lives and the one that one the poll which is very close to what is shown here. The biggest change is that Jason had gone to find his previously unknown biological mother, and she sold him out to the Joker. After the beating, and being unable to disarm the bomb, he used his body to shield his "mother". Controversially the poll was likely rigged by a fan who used an autodialer to vote every few minutes (the editor says there isn't proof, but that he heard that it happened), the vote was 5,343 votes for Jason's death over 5,271 for his survival-a margin of just 72 votes. As a fan at the time it was a great story, and terrible aftermath, and it was years of angry sad Batman stories, basically until a very young Tim Drake showed up having figured out Batman's secret identity and became the the Robin.
33:30. It would be hilarious if Black Mask faked a punch at that guy, and when he feints, Black Mask hits him twice while saying, " That TWO for flinching!" 🤣🤣🤣
Black Mask’s mask depends on the writer. Some stories have it as a mask while others have it permanently stuck to his face. The Ewan McGregor version is one where he just had a mask. Naturally, they wanted to have Ewan McGregor to show his face as much as possible as Hollywood loves to do. This version of Black Mask is like if Sonny Corleone became the Godfather or if Trevor from GTA V became a mob boss. He’s so hot-headed and it leads to some hilarious moments 😂
42:04min, Canon is the DC Comics, not the movies. Batman trained himself by Intensive Scholarly Study and Training in Every Art form that would aid him in his destiny. It took years, and lots of study and apprenticeship, to make broken eggs into a Souffle. >> And as for training kids for combat: It's a Full Circle Mindset. At 6-8 years old Bruce Wayne began his voyage to be Batman; after the murder of his parents. At a young age Dick 'Robin' Grayson became Bruce's ward; after the murder of his parents. If you watched 'Batman, The Animated Series' Batman keep Robin's hate/guilt in check by Mentoring and training him. This form of early child training has been a historical constant. Ex. Spartan, Samurai/Ninjas, Zulus, KGB etc. >>> 48:18min, Batman's gadgets from his utility belt is to save lives, most often the lives of combatants. Because Batman holds back his true ability to keep from easily killing; as Jason Todd will soon find out. >>>> 1:13:04min, When Batman gets older, he gets meaner and 'Batman: The Dark Knight Returns PG-13 2013' shows he's had enough!
Joker inexplicably surviving lethal events is its own running gag. He's been in collapsing buildings, shot, stabbed, strangled, beaten to a pulp, crashed in a helicopter that exploded, thrown down a chimney, cave ins, avalanches, poisoned, drowned, car crashes, fallen from fatal heights into the ocean, and so on...
22:56 “Oh so if he’s not a Muslim, he gets a pass? Well that’s called profiling Mother and I don’t do it!” Awesome to know you guys have watched Archer. 😂 Though at the same time, it sucks knowing that we won’t see any reactions for the series.😢
@@Hession0Drasha They can just use camera tricks to make him appear taller. Like they do with Tom Cruise and Sylvester Stallone in literally all their movies.
The real reason in my eyes is when you stop? Because you say only kill Joker but there's Two Face and Mr Freeze and so many that also kill countless of people so when you stop, Because when you go into your first kill how you don't make it a possible choice when dealing with another person like Joker.
Good point. But Gotham isn't all bad. It's got a lot of crime, sure. But the economy is very strong, as Gotham is canonically one of the centers of American trade. So there is money, and half a city makes a decent chunk of it.
“This is the best day of my life” Probably one of the saddest endings for a DC film ever. Under The Red Hood isn’t just one of my favourite comic book stories but also one of my favourite animated adaptations as well. DC is just so good at animated projects it’s uncanny
I appreciate that the editing now includes references to the fact the members of The Normies don't remember anything. I could've done with that throughout Naruto...
I do agree that the joker needs to die , but batman can't cross that line. Like he said in the movie, it would be too easy to end his life, and after taking just one, it would become easier to start killing the others. Batman would eventually rationalize it, and he will become the thing he hates. Batman killing the joker means at joker wind in the end.
Hey Normies. An idea for a special episode. Take the gang to a gun range that lets you shoot a variety of firearms including automatic weapons. Feel the recoil. The kickback. The vibrations through your arms. That will change how you react to anything involving guns. You'll be able to judge what is realistic & what isn't.
Nightwing definitely wouldn’t be the first one out. Jason might be willing to kill, but Nightwing is still more skilled than he is, the disrespect to Dick is unreal 😂
Batman doesn't kill because he's better than the one's he fights. He demonstrates a higher standard. He's a force for good. He's a symbol of hope and Justice. And Above everything else he believes in redemption. If he crosses that line he becomes a symbol of vengeance and he becomes a actual criminal just like the rest and the cops would have a reason to bring him in. His unwavering commitment of Justice, not vengeance is just one of the reasons he eventually won the Respect of the GCPD. He's Not to blame for the Joker's actions or how many times he escapes. That falls ENTIRELY on the Government that flat out refuses to smoke him once and for all.
And I understand that and I respect that decision but, there has to be levels to these things. Bc the Joker, as hinted in the movie has already crippled Barbara(Batgirl), killed Jason even though they brought him back to life. I just think it paints Batman in the wrong light when he lets this psychotic being (imo you can't consider this person a human being he's a monster) go without at least crippling him or at least make it so he can't hurt anybody anymore if he's not going to kill. Like it's one for it to be other people but it's another when this piece of shit has tormented people close to you, ones that you consider your actual family. And the reason I bring this up is because I've read the comic where it was right before injustice starts and instead of taking the Joker back to Arkham he kills him before he can hurt Clark/Superman and start the whole injustice timeline, and turns himself in for the act. And the only reason he did it, was because he wouldn't wish upon Clark, because to him Clark is his best friend. Like he doesn't need to kill, but at least cripple him to where he can't hurt anyone or loved ones at that.
Or, and hear me out here, binge all of the DC movies and shows that aren’t in the DCAMU. That way, when they finally tackle it, they go in with standards that will reveal how mid the DCAMU is. There’s a couple of half-decent movies (mostly the Batman and Constantine ones), but the rest are exhaustingly bad, especially the Justice League ones. The only good one was the one that can hardly be called part of the DCAMU because it takes place before that reality exists, Flashpoint Paradox.
This is one of the best DC animated movies of all time. Poor Black Mask is just the bully victim of this entire movie 😂😂 and this Joker is completely insane and is just so perfect.
With Micky, Suraj, and Navi... It's like watching a bunch of 10 year-olds with no memories... (Suraj actually being smart in the end discussion with Navi being worse...)
59:40 There's dozens if not hundreds of crazy villains in Gotham. Killing Joker is barely going to put a dent in crime, if it doesn't outright increase it because criminals don't have to worry about working with a guy who will kill them just because he felt like it.
I’m so glad to see a new reaction to Batman under the red hood it was my favorite movie when I was younger and watching people watch it for the first time is always great
47:37 Nightwing wouldn’t lose to Jason, he’s beaten him before; and Batman would win the three way fight. Now…if you through Cassandra into the mix then the end result may differ.
This movie was so well loved that this became the red hood origin moving forward. It originally had to do with superboy prime punching a reality shift during a crisis that erased Jason’s death and he revived IN THE COFFIN.
First time watching this and it was an AMAZING movie! 👏🏾🙌🏾Since I watched the live action Titans series on Max, I can't help but keep thinking about what they did with the Jason Todd storyline. That was great as well. Such a shame that people stopped watching after S2, cause a lot of great stuff happens in S3 and S4❤😄
“This is the best day of my life” got to be one of the saddest scenes in all DC animated movies. I haven’t watched this film for 14 years and it still got me whenever I think about it 😐
Jason’s argument is valid but Batman is right here. If he kills Joker it’s easier to validate or come up with reasons/excuses for anything else. It’s very much like addiction. If you let yourself have one cigarette it’s easier to justify another, then it’s almost impossible to stop without help and as we’ve seen countless times, Batman can’t or won’t be helped.
Ok when it comes to killing Joker I always say people need to think who/what gives Batman the authority to murder someone else? If he killed Joker he’d be a murder, you could argue he did it as a form of self defence but it would make him in the strictest sense a killer putting him at the same level as the man who killed his parents. If Batman killed him should he not be judged for it? Batman is already a vigilante breaking multiple laws in order to do what he does which people already choose to overlook (if I broke into your office, looked through your things and took work product because I think your company is breaking the law then beat you into a body cast as I leave you’d call the police and have me arrested) if he killed someone rightly or wrongly you’d have no choice but to call him a criminal and given his skills and talents he’d be the kind of criminal another vigilante or hero would have to stop be the one to stop him. Batman is not the issue in Gotham it’s Gothams laws and judicial practices as they keep putting Joker in a clearly poorly run and maintained asylum rather than giving him the death penalty or finding other more permanent solutions to punish him for his crimes
Jensen Ackles did a perfect job voicing Jason Todd a.k.a. Red Hood
Yup. Its why he keeps showing up in Batman content, including being the new voice for the tomorrow verse movies
Ya damn right he did. Told a friend to look up trailer for when this came out and they said this was insane he’s not much of a DC guy
@@TheBigKaiju let's start a petition campaign to get him to play a live action batman
but his tomorrow verse batman voice is awful and lazy,
@@FurbyPurrson agreed
Ironically, this movie along with Young Justice is one of the few times we get Jason Todd animated.
He’s in the newest film too. Also why is the crew so quick to thumb down new stuff. Starting on young justice made them downplay good Batman films. Good is great and knight wing is great and can beat the hood.
Same voice actor for Batman in both, Bruce Greenwood
@@nichesceneswhen?
@@nichesceneswhat new film is he in?
Tim Drake in the DCAU is Jason Todd in everything but name
John DiMaggio's Joker is highly underrated
next to kevin michael Richardson
Yeah he’s great
Come to think of it, there haven't been a whole lot of bad casting for people in The Joker role (Leto being the exception).
One of the more sinister Jokers I think
Leto isn't a bad joker we hardly got to see him play him. If given more screen time he would of killed it.
The killing of the 2nd Robin, Jason Todd in the comics was actually voted on by fans.
DC admitted it was a mistake. because they didn't have a system in place to regulate voting. So there were confirmed cases of people voting several dozen times to hundreds of times to kill him. Some people even came out and stated they didn't even want Jason to die, just that they wanted to as fans, have an impact on the comic book universe.
Yeah, it was actually Edge Lords who killed Jason Todd.
Dark..but did wonders for his character ngl
So the fans are the ones who are truly psychotic who knew 😮
@@TsuriaDragon its just a comic man
Their brains are constantly pushing out information lol. Forgetting Amazo is hilarious
No, Ra's al Ghul never trained Bruce Wayne. That was only in Batman Begins. Canonically, Brue didn't meet Ra's until he had already been Batman for several years.
@@ShardSpyder Well said. I know the majority of people don't read comics (or in general), but the passionate fan in me can't help but get annoyed whenever I hear so many casuals (for lack of a better term) get comic lore blatantly wrong and act like it's fact.
Yup Ras was just smart enough to figure out his identify. He did train with many masters around the world who maybe has Ras as a friend who knows lol
Yeah that sucks
Depends on the continuity tbh
@@joshuanelson6795 i'd generally agree with you on that. but if i remember correctly in Zdarskys Batman: The Knight we see Batmans and Ghostmakers "backstory" where they were trained by many masters and "competed" against each other and the last of them was Ra's, afterwards Bruce went back to Gotham to become Batman. and that is now considered canon. i can understand it but personally not too much of a fan of that retcon
John Dimaggio is an amazing Joker. I was hesitant at first when I heard that Bender would be Joker, but he did a brilliant job. To be fair, the Joker does have similar troll qualities that Bender has 😂. Dimaggio delivers a much more understated and chilling performance as the Joker that I was thoroughly impressed.
Agreed though most Joker casting is pretty good. Even the Kevin Michael Richardson's Joker in 2004 "The Batman" animated series brought something new and unique to the role despite his version being different than what the viewer was accustomed to at the time.
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Yeah he was good too. The design took a while to get used to, but it grew on me. Kevin Michael Richardson is everywhere. Pretty sure he voice acts the voice in my head alongside Troy Baker, Nolan North, and Laura Bailey 😂
I was lucky enough to meet him at a comic con and he signed a Joker poster and he did the "i'm gonna need some guys.." line and the laugh it was awesome
people forget that joker is a criminal and crime lord. He was like that back in bronze and silver era comics. You need to mix the insanity with crime lord stuff and being gangster and having guns and lives.
Fun fact: In the comics, Jason did lose pretty badly to Nightwing during the Battle for the Cowl. It was mainly spurred on by Jason, making Dick think he had killed Tim and Dick getting angry enough to use killing moves. Pre-New52 Nightwing was so overprotective of Tim and Damian that he was known to lose control and toe the "no killing" line.
the old nightwing was a player, who fucked so many women but they did change it. It seems like 90s and 2000s era of DC males, fucking all the women. I know now they changed with some female characters having sex with other males or females and we got some gay male characters.
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In my opinion, Jason's jealousy of Dick has always been one of his weaknesses. And Dick uses it against him.
O that was an awesome fight.
@@DANTE83100 True! Quite a few people don't realize Nightwing isn't always this happy go lucky angel in the comics. He was pretty cold with Jason Todd at times and had to do some growing up himself. I think after he took the cowl, he started making more of an effort with Jason, but by then, it was too little too late.
everyone forgets that Batman is a master marksman and firearms expert that's why he is able to disassemble guns from criminals.
John DiMaggio as the voice of The Joker… Whoever came up with the idea, he or she must’ve gotten a big raise
Jason was 16 when he died, and yes he's still out their doing his own thing. All of the robins have been through a lot but Bruce and Jason later reconcile in the comics
Which I still think is some bullshit, given the shit Bruce puts him through
@@theredheadrevolution4156 Meh
@@johanliebert4622best response cuz what’s wrong with him 😂
The events in this movie get referenced on and off throughout S4 in some shape form or fashion so it’s kinda timely you guys are watching this before S4
Not really. The only thing that happened is that Jason Todd got murdered and resurrected by Ra's al Ghul. He's not the same character.
@@andrewli6606hence the word “reference”
At least they'll understand the reference. Now the only thing they'll miss is the most important one for the best episode of the season... the Razer reference.
Hands down one of, if not the, best animated Batman Movies!!
Batman the last laugh is crazy good too
@@golekanempolokeng2658 of course, BTAS is superior😤!
The dark knight returns part 1 and 2 are also great
@@JonNelson523 great adaptation of the comic, though I prefer part II over part I.
It's in my top five. Mask of the Phantasm is my favorite animated Batman films.
For the little story...DC run a poll in 1988 with the fan to decide if Jason Todd would be killed or saved...The fans voted to killed him and only 72 votes made the difference, which lead to a Death in the Family story. Jason Todd was very divisive in the fandom, being from different background and being less emphatic than Dick Grayson. Some says, if they did the poll again, he would have survive today, in 1988 the DC phone line was filled with angry fan of the decision...Do you think they did right ?
Comics can be so static, I think anything to shake them up can be a good thing, even if it risks alienating old fans.
I remember when they first moved Tony Stark's Iron Man origin from Vietnam to Desert storm and it infuriated me. Why get rid of your own established history? Why not come up with something new? It's like how a lot of people were super angry when Optimus Prime died in the 86 Transformers movie, but even as a kid I appreciated how high that made the stakes.
It was innovative at the very least, and was a dramatic way to close the tragedy with Jason reuniting with his mother who abandoned him. Then, it does kind of a weird turn where the story acts more of an indictment against Iran, rather than the Joker.
Yall need to start the dc animated movie universe journey
The DC animated TV series journey is leagues better.
I wanna see Batman Year One and All Star Superman
@@anibal5845 yeah but overall the dcamu is more their style, once they know the base line lore from something their more familiar with they can get into shows like thay
They need to at least watch Green Lantern animated series. That way they can fully comprehend and appreciate the best episode of the coming season of Young Justice... The Razer episode 😁👍
@@azrael_pendragonIf they could watch all the DC animated movies except the ones in the DCAMU, they’d be better off.
Black Mask’s mask was accidentally burned fused to his face, he literally can’t remove it.
It was made from his father's coffin, if I remember correctly.
You know something, I always considered Bucky Barnes to be the Marvel version of Jason Todd. In the comics he was Captain America's sidekick instead of his best friend.
I think that’s the general comparison comic fans make
Both were brought back at the same time in the comics too.
@@Andros1921 Yeah what's weird is that it wasn't one company copying another for once just a coincidence that the writers were working on these stories at the same time
@@KCJones99yeah, one of the rare times it was just a coincidence
Go check out their death battle
I like this ending better than the comic. In the comic, Batman threw the blade at Jason's throat and saved the Joker. It makes more sense for him to save Jason since he's family.
And you know, not actively trying to save the worthless life of an unrepentant psychopath.
Jason was holding Joker at gunpoint, and threw the other gun to Batman, telling him he was going to shoot the Joker on the count of three if Batman didn't shoot him first.
It was ridiculous to think (at that point in the comics) that Batman would ever use a gun, so him using a Batarang to save Joker's life (since all three ended up surviving) made perfect sense.
Also, the story had some distractions with other subplots from other comic series, such as the destruction of Bludhaven happening in the background of this story. I think the film did a great job at adapting the story
"We never saw a body" "What was his goal of bringing him back"
Navi's memory is getting worse 😢
This movie was so good they revisited it in later years for a special edition were the viewers chooses the adventure type beat. Meaning there's multiple ending to this movie in that special edition.
I feel like WB is owned by people like normies in that they can’t make a good Batman or great when this is done so much in old films and a tight 90 min film. I can see this done shot for shot live action and it would be getting accolades
@@nichescenes Which old films?
@@jp3813 sorry my sentence was confusing lol. What I meant by old films is basically not “old” in a way. I mean the animated movies prior flashpoint paradox. Tight 80 min films with action and great stories and themes vs okay stuff they pump out for live action. The Batman wasn’t bad for example or a lot of other stuff. Just that the animation and live action are night and day quaility wise. Heck even xmen 97 is better and and tighter than most marvel films. But I’m just bias and grumpy 😝
@@jp3813 I would pay for an live action over the edge episode of Batman the animated series made into a 80 min movie shot for shot script it would be so highly rated and tight storytelling but the execs feel like they don’t get their characters. Moody sad Superman first go really??? Batman who kills??? Sure try something new but set the foundation first. Still enjoy those films though 😃
the thing is, that Jason doesn't know, is that, in the comics, Bruce did go after the Joker after Jason's death. Two things stopped him from killing the clown. One was the fact that the Joker had somehow managed to become the Iranian ambassador to the UN, thus granting him diplomatic immunity. Bruce, however, doesn't care about starting an international incident, so he goes after the Joker anyway. Superman has to step in and tell Bruce that if he starts an international incident, the UN is gonna order him after Bruce. Bruce backs off, but warns Clark that WHEN the Joker steps out of line, he'll come for him. Joker, of course, steps out of line, Bruce comes after him, and comes very close to beating him to death, but Clark stops him, because he knows that Bruce would never forgive himself if he killed.
1:11:50 Just in case you may have forgot: We saw a glimpse of this in YJ Season 3 Episode 6 after Brion, Halo, and Forager attack Ra's al Ghul. As the team is leaving with Dick Grayson.
This is the first dc movie where I realized what could happen
Batman believes in the system. Gotham wants Batman to kill Joker so their hands are clean. If they really wanted Joker dead that bad, he'd get the death penalty. They just want someone else to do it so they don't have to deal with the personal consequences.
Ironically, there are stories where Bruce himself abolished the death penalty.
I am not a lawyer. What I'm about to say may be wrong. Confer with an American criminal lawyer.
To my knowledge, the American legal system cannot kill someone who is declared legally insane. They can put Joker on death row. They can't execute him until he is declared legally sane. The American legal system is perfectly designed to leave Joker alive.
Every time a criminal is arrested, by law, they must have their day in court. Even if it's obvious that they're guilty, they will have a trial of some kind. A lawyer will be provided to them if they don't already have one. The lawyer, by law, must provide the best legal defense possible. The only legal defense the Joker can claim is insanity. Can you honestly claim that the Joker is NOT insane? That he is without question of sound mind? This is why he ends up in Arkham.
This is the reasoning I come back to as well. If killing Joker is indeed the right thing to do, why is that Batman's responsibility?
@@ShardSpyder it is if he knows the justice system is shit
@@TheJacobG Yeah, that's something that bothers me with the whole "Batman is responsible for Joker's crimes". Like, okay he could kill him but why would it be HIS responsability? Why can't a cop or a random criminal or even a normal citizen can't just shoot him?
47:49 Nightwing is canonically the best hand to hand fighter amongst the Robins and even beat Batman in a no holds barred fist fight. He also has defeated Red Hood multiple times. Jason cannot win a fight without some stupid plan sorry.
This means nothing because in the past 6 years in DC comics, Jason has beaten Nightwing a few times. Sometime around the Cheer line storyline he beats him and Tim. “Canonically” means absolutely nothing because it’s constantly changing. Also NW a better hand to hand fighter than all the robins would be true if we are talking about teenage Tim, Jason, and Damian. But as adults?? Doubt it
Nightwing is the best canon means something and stupid writers trying to even the odds most probably. Nightwing is way more gifted in fighting and stuff than the rest due to his carnie background
@@nic558 Tim and Damian aren't canonically adults (Tim is weird age wise tbh) and no Jason isn't beating him consistently without getting the jump on him.
Tim is like the weakest robin combat wise so idek why u brought him up
@@Karthig1987 like Damian as an adult will eclipse him and everyone knows that but until then Dick stomps him. That's been more or less accepted
“How many years has Batman been doing this?” A long time. He adopted Dick a little while after his family was murdered and trained him to be Robin after he kept sneaking out trying to find his family’s killer. After Dick grew up and eventually left Gotham Batman came across Jason in a bad part of the city after he had stripped the tires off the Batmobile in the short time Batman was gone and took him a bit later. Tim figured out Batman and Nightwing’s identities on his own and was convinced Batman needed a Robin at his side (he did) and was basically given the role by Dick and Alfred. After that my limited knowledge becomes more limited as we get Barbara (Batgirl), Stephanie (Spoiler), Cassandra the GOAT (Orphan), Kate (Batwoman), and even more than them. The Bat Family was fucking large
Going by the this film's isolated continuity, Black Mask took control of Gotham organised crime 20 years ago, so Batman has likely been operating for that long.
DC has reset their continuity a few times (and pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths they had, well infinite earths, so they could tell stories that completely contradicted each other and just say they were different continuities). But in most cases, Barbara in contemporaneous with Dick Grayson, where Cassandra and Stephanie came about later (I think more in line with Damian's time, but I'm not sure since I was pretty burned out on comics by the early 2000s)
i'm surprised yall didn't recognize Cheshire's voice actress as black mask's assistant. fun trivia: the apartment room (background) jason gets jumps into was reused as Red Arrow's apartment in YJ season 2 episode 4.
20:36 Marketa “because he’s robin” I thought she 200 IQed it for a second
Ra’s typically knows Batman is Bruce. Unclear if the YJ version does, I think. Also the use of the Lazarus Pit. It hasn’t appeared on screen in YJ but it was implied. He got impaled in S2 then came back just fine. And it did appear in the comics bridging the first two seasons
Using the Lazarus Pit for resurrection is not recommended. Something something unnatural, something something can’t bring back someone 100% so madness replaces what’s missing.
Black Mask’s face situation varies across iterations. Regular mask, mechanical mask, mask got melted onto his face or something similar leaving him looking like that permanently.
Resurrected Jason was all but explicitly confirmed in YJ S3. A league ninja recognizes the name Grayson, Ra’s says he’s getting his memories back, and he’s credit as Red Hooded Ninja
Jason was _not_ liked when he was Robin. That’s why he was voted to be killed off.
YJ Ra's knows... that is a cannon event across media actually. I mean all of the key members of the Light know who all of the heroes are.. their "nuclear option" is killing their families
Ra’s definitely knows in YJ,
Still a great action packed and emotional film, love it.
1:05:42 A Superboy, who went bad, punched a reality wall that caused timeline retons. 2006 was a crazy time.
People keep saying "Oh it's just one kill, you can stop right after". No, it's never just one it always leads to more and more death.
Nightwing is the third best fighter out of the Batfamily behind Cassandra Cain/Batgirl then Bruce. But just watching the DC cartoons you wouldn’t know cause they hate him
He's arguably the 2nd best. He's beat Bruce before and other times he's fought but not straight up won, Bruce STRUGGLED to best him.
No he's the 4th or 5th at best and they love humvin comics
@harlanglasper1227 That's definitely not true either part he's never really put up a good fight against him that wasn't had to him by batman and he's definitely not the 2nd best that would be cassandra
This is definitely in my top 3 DC animated films. Y’all gotta watch more like The Dark Knight Returns, Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox, Crisis on Two Earths, Batman: The Long Halloween etc.
I have few complaints about this movie, but one definite one is how they toned down what made Bruce upset at Jason. He didn't break some guy's collarbone - in the comic Jason as Robin is implied to have shoved a serial rapist off a building to his death because he had attacked a girl Jason knew, and that girl ended herself over it. Jason says the guy saw him and slipped in a panic, but Bruce isn't sure he believes him, but isn't sure he wants to know the truth either.
In one universe, Joker pulls one hell of a prank on Superman 😅
Batman screaming you shattered his collarbone!!! Even though he broke every bone and other bad guys bodies😂
Superboy Prime is from "our reality". He reads Superman comics based on the other DC universes. It is confusing but DC created our reality as Prime Earth. He is first introduced during Crisis on Infinite Earths which has been made into 4 movies. That is a deep dive into the DC universe. Some of you may like it.
"I don't have to save you either" is only a Nolan line. Batman has always saved his villains, because that's the right thing to do. Also, why does everyone want Batman to kill? You know what that is? That's The Punisher. Go watch him if you want to see a Batman who murders without qualms.
Recently, Bruce admitted that recruiting Jason was a mistake b/c he already had a toxic relationship with violence from his upbringing. Dick was from a loving background and had a tragedy similar to bruce's befall him. Bruce was afraid he'd go down a similar path, so he adopted him and trained him to overcome that grief.
Jason was an abused kid in a bad neighborhood who lived a life of violence before he tried to steal the batmobile's tires. He's the kind of kid that needs to be led away from that kind of environment. But Bruce wanted to fill the void left by Dick leaving and becoming Nightwing, so he took him in and trained him to be even more violent.
49:54 I love how it looks like Jason Todd has the upper hand until you realize Batman’s been holding back the entire time.
Great discussion guys, and not killing is pretty much Batman whole ideology. I do feel there is a zero tolerance for Justice League members not killing any villains even in self defense. Remember in Young Justice how quickly everyone turn on Brion after he kill his uncle.
in Batman comic #386, it was revealed that Roman Sionis was a failed cosmetic industrialist who had murdered his parents and carved a mask using the ebony wood of his parent's coffins, which was later burned onto his face.
Bruce Greenwood not only voices Batman in this he also voices Batman in Young Justice!
38:23 remember from young justice, “ra’s al ghul is many things but a liar isn’t one of them”
Navi this close to holding Suraj at Gunpoint and tossing a gun to Chris.
"Neil Patrick Harris....?!?!"
Yall sound like you're unmasking Scooby-Doo villains 😂
Dark Knight Returns part 1 and 2 next please
Everyone seems to have this conversation about the no kill rule and they always come to same conclusion based on their lack of experience. Once you do something you are vehemently against, the next time becomes that much easier to justify. Bruce knows himself enough to know, if he were to give into that, there would be probably no stopping, he would be able to justify merc'ing everyone, every villain, every obstacle. He has that much pent up rage, sadness and aggression, he doesnt know if once thats released if he could ever just stop. At the end of the day, he is still that sad little boy who lost his parents to violence, and he cares too much about people that he will even save villains that dont deserve it.
We have seen an unhinged Batman several times, one of which was his father in flashpoint, actively just throwing people off of rooftops once they are not longer useful for information.
Jason Todd was the regular Robin twice before being killed. Originally he was a carbon copy of Dick, right down to being an acrobat, but then Crisis on Infinite Earths happened, which was a line wide reboot of the DC Universe. The plan was to update/refresh/streamline the comic line and make it easier to jump into, but Batman was doing just fine before the reboot, so there wasn't much of a need for a major shake up. Rather than keeping him as a copy of Dick, they went the opposite way and he was the son of a criminal killed by Two-Face left fending for himself (which is why he was needing to steal tires to get by).
One of his best stories is trying to save a woman from an abuser who has diplomatic immunity (they loved that in the 80s), after catching him red handed and arrested, the abuser is freed and makes a call to the victim, by the time they get to her, she has already killed herself. This is where the seeds of the Red Hood is planted, we see Robin surprising the abuser on his balcony, then we see the guy falling to his death. Gordon says something like that Robin said "he was surprised and fell, I don't know if I believe him". I vote for that he chucked him off the building, but within the issue it is not certain.
Death in the Family is the story with the call in gimmick, they had two endings worked out, one where Batman is exclaiming that lives and the one that one the poll which is very close to what is shown here. The biggest change is that Jason had gone to find his previously unknown biological mother, and she sold him out to the Joker. After the beating, and being unable to disarm the bomb, he used his body to shield his "mother". Controversially the poll was likely rigged by a fan who used an autodialer to vote every few minutes (the editor says there isn't proof, but that he heard that it happened), the vote was 5,343 votes for Jason's death over 5,271 for his survival-a margin of just 72 votes.
As a fan at the time it was a great story, and terrible aftermath, and it was years of angry sad Batman stories, basically until a very young Tim Drake showed up having figured out Batman's secret identity and became the the Robin.
33:30. It would be hilarious if Black Mask faked a punch at that guy, and when he feints, Black Mask hits him twice while saying, " That TWO for flinching!" 🤣🤣🤣
When my son was 3 years old I watched this movie 3 times in one day because of him 😅😅 one of my favorite DC animated movies
The voice-over work in this animation movie is absolutely amazing.
Movie: Shows flashback scene where Jason Todd was young and happy and optimistic
Normies: *makes child labor jokes
He forged a fright mask from his dad’s coffin, then an accident fused it to his face. (Black Mask)
Black Mask’s mask depends on the writer. Some stories have it as a mask while others have it permanently stuck to his face. The Ewan McGregor version is one where he just had a mask. Naturally, they wanted to have Ewan McGregor to show his face as much as possible as Hollywood loves to do.
This version of Black Mask is like if Sonny Corleone became the Godfather or if Trevor from GTA V became a mob boss. He’s so hot-headed and it leads to some hilarious moments 😂
42:04min,
Canon is the DC Comics, not the movies.
Batman trained himself by Intensive Scholarly Study and Training in Every Art form that would aid him in his destiny.
It took years, and lots of study and apprenticeship, to make broken eggs into a Souffle.
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And as for training kids for combat:
It's a Full Circle Mindset.
At 6-8 years old Bruce Wayne began his voyage to be Batman; after the murder of his parents.
At a young age Dick 'Robin' Grayson became Bruce's ward; after the murder of his parents.
If you watched 'Batman, The Animated Series' Batman keep Robin's hate/guilt in check by Mentoring and training him.
This form of early child training has been a historical constant.
Ex. Spartan, Samurai/Ninjas, Zulus, KGB etc.
>>>
48:18min,
Batman's gadgets from his utility belt is to save lives, most often the lives of combatants.
Because Batman holds back his true ability to keep from easily killing; as Jason Todd will soon find out.
>>>>
1:13:04min,
When Batman gets older, he gets meaner and 'Batman: The Dark Knight Returns
PG-13 2013' shows he's had enough!
Happy Bruce is great though thats the point of him he surrounds himself with family and kids he brings in
Though Jason was a sweet kid as Robin contrary to what people think. He was just a little nerd.
Joker inexplicably surviving lethal events is its own running gag. He's been in collapsing buildings, shot, stabbed, strangled, beaten to a pulp, crashed in a helicopter that exploded, thrown down a chimney, cave ins, avalanches, poisoned, drowned, car crashes, fallen from fatal heights into the ocean, and so on...
What a reaction. Love this movie. Glad you guys are being introduced to more DC Lore 🔥
22:56 “Oh so if he’s not a Muslim, he gets a pass? Well that’s called profiling Mother and I don’t do it!”
Awesome to know you guys have watched Archer. 😂 Though at the same time, it sucks knowing that we won’t see any reactions for the series.😢
Billions rumors online that Jensen Ackles could be James Gunn Batman...it would be amazing !
He's too short i think
He already voices Batman in the new animated universe including The Long Halloween so he's definitely got the voice down
@@Hession0Drasha They can just use camera tricks to make him appear taller. Like they do with Tom Cruise and Sylvester Stallone in literally all their movies.
@@Hession0Drasha 6’1 is too short? He would be like the 2nd tallest live action Batman 😂
@@Hession0Drashano he ain’t lol
The real reason in my eyes is when you stop?
Because you say only kill Joker but there's Two Face and Mr Freeze and so many that also kill countless of people so when you stop, Because when you go into your first kill how you don't make it a possible choice when dealing with another person like Joker.
Why do people stay living in terrible cities in the real world?
Good point. But Gotham isn't all bad. It's got a lot of crime, sure. But the economy is very strong, as Gotham is canonically one of the centers of American trade. So there is money, and half a city makes a decent chunk of it.
“This is the best day of my life”
Probably one of the saddest endings for a DC film ever. Under The Red Hood isn’t just one of my favourite comic book stories but also one of my favourite animated adaptations as well. DC is just so good at animated projects it’s uncanny
I appreciate that the editing now includes references to the fact the members of The Normies don't remember anything. I could've done with that throughout Naruto...
I hope Chris had fun bowling after this.
I do agree that the joker needs to die , but batman can't cross that line. Like he said in the movie, it would be too easy to end his life, and after taking just one, it would become easier to start killing the others. Batman would eventually rationalize it, and he will become the thing he hates. Batman killing the joker means at joker wind in the end.
Hey Normies. An idea for a special episode. Take the gang to a gun range that lets you shoot a variety of firearms including automatic weapons. Feel the recoil. The kickback. The vibrations through your arms. That will change how you react to anything involving guns. You'll be able to judge what is realistic & what isn't.
Why would I expect them to remember something so basic. Dont call yourselves young justice fans
Y’all have been killing me for taking so long to upload this!!!!
Micky's a knife guy?! Had to double take when he said "what kind of steel is that? M390? (advanced powder metallurgy steel used in cutlery)
I can see Micky and Spidy loving knives and swords and having a collection of them.
The Normies missed the epic joke that the red hood set the fire door on fire!
TLDR: Fire doors are typically designed to be resistant to fire.
Nightwing definitely wouldn’t be the first one out. Jason might be willing to kill, but Nightwing is still more skilled than he is, the disrespect to Dick is unreal 😂
No no he's not at all Jason would win most of the time
Batman doesn't kill because he's better than the one's he fights. He demonstrates a higher standard. He's a force for good. He's a symbol of hope and Justice. And Above everything else he believes in redemption. If he crosses that line he becomes a symbol of vengeance and he becomes a actual criminal just like the rest and the cops would have a reason to bring him in. His unwavering commitment of Justice, not vengeance is just one of the reasons he eventually won the Respect of the GCPD. He's Not to blame for the Joker's actions or how many times he escapes. That falls ENTIRELY on the Government that flat out refuses to smoke him once and for all.
And I understand that and I respect that decision but, there has to be levels to these things. Bc the Joker, as hinted in the movie has already crippled Barbara(Batgirl), killed Jason even though they brought him back to life. I just think it paints Batman in the wrong light when he lets this psychotic being (imo you can't consider this person a human being he's a monster) go without at least crippling him or at least make it so he can't hurt anybody anymore if he's not going to kill. Like it's one for it to be other people but it's another when this piece of shit has tormented people close to you, ones that you consider your actual family. And the reason I bring this up is because I've read the comic where it was right before injustice starts and instead of taking the Joker back to Arkham he kills him before he can hurt Clark/Superman and start the whole injustice timeline, and turns himself in for the act. And the only reason he did it, was because he wouldn't wish upon Clark, because to him Clark is his best friend. Like he doesn't need to kill, but at least cripple him to where he can't hurt anyone or loved ones at that.
Binge the DCAMU after YJ!!!
Or, and hear me out here, binge all of the DC movies and shows that aren’t in the DCAMU. That way, when they finally tackle it, they go in with standards that will reveal how mid the DCAMU is. There’s a couple of half-decent movies (mostly the Batman and Constantine ones), but the rest are exhaustingly bad, especially the Justice League ones. The only good one was the one that can hardly be called part of the DCAMU because it takes place before that reality exists, Flashpoint Paradox.
@@thechad4485 or no
This is one of the best DC animated movies of all time. Poor Black Mask is just the bully victim of this entire movie 😂😂 and this Joker is completely insane and is just so perfect.
Talk about stupid. People really think bats could get away with killing joker and be fine. Like talk about not understanding the character
I'm so glad U guys are recognizing Old DC animated movies
With Micky, Suraj, and Navi...
It's like watching a bunch of 10 year-olds with no memories...
(Suraj actually being smart in the end discussion with Navi being worse...)
Jason Todd dying is a Cannon event in the DC universe like the death of the Flash's mother
Spidey spoke facts about Talia
love the lil nod that nightwing has to equip brass knuckles to even come close to doing the same amount of damage batman would do to amazo Lol.
59:40 There's dozens if not hundreds of crazy villains in Gotham. Killing Joker is barely going to put a dent in crime, if it doesn't outright increase it because criminals don't have to worry about working with a guy who will kill them just because he felt like it.
I’m so glad to see a new reaction to Batman under the red hood it was my favorite movie when I was younger and watching people watch it for the first time is always great
47:37 Nightwing wouldn’t lose to Jason, he’s beaten him before; and Batman would win the three way fight. Now…if you through Cassandra into the mix then the end result may differ.
Right Cassandra is the toughest fighter in the family.
They have no idea who that is lol
Shoutout to Spidey for saying Nightwing
Cassandra is sooo underrated! I wish that she was in more things.
38:03
Ras: "YOU FUCKING WHAT?!"
Love seeing Bat Family centric movies
This movie was so well loved that this became the red hood origin moving forward. It originally had to do with superboy prime punching a reality shift during a crisis that erased Jason’s death and he revived IN THE COFFIN.
First time watching this and it was an AMAZING movie! 👏🏾🙌🏾Since I watched the live action Titans series on Max, I can't help but keep thinking about what they did with the Jason Todd storyline. That was great as well. Such a shame that people stopped watching after S2, cause a lot of great stuff happens in S3 and S4❤😄
“This is the best day of my life” got to be one of the saddest scenes in all DC animated movies. I haven’t watched this film for 14 years and it still got me whenever I think about it 😐
Jason’s argument is valid but Batman is right here. If he kills Joker it’s easier to validate or come up with reasons/excuses for anything else. It’s very much like addiction. If you let yourself have one cigarette it’s easier to justify another, then it’s almost impossible to stop without help and as we’ve seen countless times, Batman can’t or won’t be helped.
Bold take, the best part of being an adult is letting the ice cream melt on your cereal and eating it whenever you want.
Mickey's name should be "it's 420 somewhere"
I love that this is their third time seeing Amazo and still they ask "Have we seen Amazo?"
Amazo was from s1 of Young Justice. So glad that y’all reacted to this Iconic Film
The Dark Knight Returns Part One and Two MUST REACT NOW! Lol. It's by far my FAVORITE DC animated film(s).
Yooooo so happy to see Mickey and this reaction
He’ll yass! Love it when people watch DC animated movies for the first time.
Ok when it comes to killing Joker I always say people need to think who/what gives Batman the authority to murder someone else? If he killed Joker he’d be a murder, you could argue he did it as a form of self defence but it would make him in the strictest sense a killer putting him at the same level as the man who killed his parents. If Batman killed him should he not be judged for it? Batman is already a vigilante breaking multiple laws in order to do what he does which people already choose to overlook (if I broke into your office, looked through your things and took work product because I think your company is breaking the law then beat you into a body cast as I leave you’d call the police and have me arrested) if he killed someone rightly or wrongly you’d have no choice but to call him a criminal and given his skills and talents he’d be the kind of criminal another vigilante or hero would have to stop be the one to stop him.
Batman is not the issue in Gotham it’s Gothams laws and judicial practices as they keep putting Joker in a clearly poorly run and maintained asylum rather than giving him the death penalty or finding other more permanent solutions to punish him for his crimes