Gun Gripes Episode 16: Which is better...The AK-47 or the AR-15?
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This is a good argument that is subject to much interpretation from different sources. Although this video is on the lengthy side, I think most of the pertinent points are well met.
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"This is a prom queen, this is a biker bitch."
God, I miss Barry.
Soulman1282 lmao
Soulman1282 where's Barry?
In Heaven, shooting the shit with John Browning.
Jack MeHoff
Sadly, Barry died a couple years ago.
And when he made that statement I laughed and I'm going with the AK..I never knew Barry had died #RIP but when he said that I instantly subscribed
I miss seeing Barry, can't imagine how chad and Eric must feel.. But he'll live forever on IV8888 and that is awesome to me. He will be educating folks for a long time to come. RIP a GREAT man 🕊🇺🇸
Lemmegetamuhfckin Just go for both... 😂
Didnt know he died. Rip barry!
What the fuck. I'm crushed
Merick Turner LMAO. You didn’t know?
Asking for a friend I presume?
R.I.P Barry,I loved him so much, I wish he was still here
He passed ?!!! What ???!!!!!
+Javier Torres ya, heart attack. It was quite awhile ago
+Nicholas Geil Damn, I didn't know that. It had been a while since I watched these videos. He was like the cool old grandpa that I never had...
+Nicholas Geil when did he pass? :(
4/12/2014
9 years gone by. I miss Barry too. I miss the days several years ago when I just got back into guns and discovered all these wonderful channels. I come back to the older videos from time to time to catch up with Barry and remember how it once was.
once you buy one you will end up with both anyway .
Or several of each!
Lol just bought my first rifle (ar) and the next day im saying I need a ak in my life now!
u do lol fuck @Striker
Striker Wow. What anger for no reason. You kind sir probably should not own firearms.
@@cwatson42785Haha same here i got an AR15 owned it for about 1 year and now Im saving for a AK now.
People say the AR is lighter weight and then add 10lbs of attachments to it 😂
We called them "geardos." It wasn't just their weapons that had tons of attachments. They would order all kinds of shit from Ranger Joe's, most of it they would never use. The ones who cracked me up were the fobbits who were also geardos. Those guys never left the wire, but had all kinds of pouches, scopes, knives, etc.
@@thatguy22441 wether you use it or not it's still cool to have.
Personally, a red dot, foregrip/handstop, rear iron, and a flashlight is really all thats needed to tacticalize your ar. Although I wouldn't mind having a toggle able laser sight.
Some people have no "off" switch.
12 year old terrorists carry AKs and you're telling me they're too heavy lol
Almost 2020 and I'm still watching berry ! I'm a ak guy
I envision a perfect 2020 (get the joke?) Yes, AK... even a damn $500 WASR-10 will serve you well when SHTF.
Love my AK, and a good american soft point (federal fusion is my flavor) in a 7.62x39 will turn someone's chest inside out, but I can keep shots on target much easier in rapid fire with my AR, you know how they say it isnt about the gun it's about the shooter? Since an AR kicks less, it makes anyone a better shooter, therefore making it a better gun.
Brandonjames1911
RIP Barry! May of 2020 now, haven’t seen this video in years! What a throwback. Now I want an AK 🤦♂️
2022
@@windycityben4850 things got crazy after you made this comment right
Ask 100 AR owners and they'll say AR, ask 100 AK owners and they'll say AK!!!
Buy one of each & decide for yourself!
"This is a prom queen and this is a biker bitch. They both get the job done, but they do it in different ways." lol
and great video guys. Very informative.
I was about to put that down too; great quote XD
"Prom Queen vs Biker Bitch". Classic line!!!! Loved it, thanks for sharing
ninthfloor33020 - i want a big bad biker bitc
Too funny! I'm buying an AK tomorrow. I have the AR, so, WTH.
I’ll take the biker bitch. She’s loyal and knows how to fight.
A Barry-ism.
*shimmy/shrugs*
Honestly, they both are exaggerated extremely in certain aspects. I've seen AK tests where the AK fires one round and seizes, and I've seen AR tests where they just keep running even after being dumped in mud. The AR will keep running, but so will the AK. Its down to personal preference. I switch my preference about three times a day.
Bro... Sell ur gunz
Boths platforms need maintenance.
i will take my AR10 in .308 and be happy. Good thing is that we are still in America. Because we are still in a free(ish) country, i can own both.
💯
exactly, I love my ak because it packs a much bigger punch than a 556, but the thing about the ak's reliability, that is because it is a sloppy gun, tolerance is insane, so if you have one of the really sloppy ak's that are all over the place, they will be reliable, but get one that came out as a tighter gun, its gonna lock up just like an AR
Damn Berry, I miss you brother. You were an awesome human being. I got love for you too Eric, way to carry on and grow this channel to the level of success that you have.
"This is a prom queen this is a biker bitch" I think that sums up the debate perfectly.
The best one is whichever I happen to have in my hands when SHTF.
Now that's a true statement 👍🏼 the one you have ammo And mags for
I like both, each has its own pluses and minuses.
Thank you
Brian Taylor very true!
"Prom queen vs biker bitch" is probably the best analogy I've ever heard for the argument. Just ask yourself what you're buying the weapon for. If you're looking to reliably drop something relatively close in adverse environments, the AK 47 is your gun. If your looking for long range accuracy in an environment that permits consistent maintenance, the AR 15 is for you.
What about both? The pws mk2, and mk1 does both, ones 7.62 NATO, and the other 5.56 NATO respectively.
+smn475 TangoFoxTrot's Dirt Test 2 and InRangeTV's mud test videos make one question the true reliability of both rifles in adverse conditions. A trend I notice in various torture test videos, often the tester is actively putting debris in the AR while actively removing debris from the AK. However, when they are tested on equal footing the conventional beliefs of reliability are reversed.
+Barnaby Wylde What the heck are you saying? When clean the ar is more reliable? Or when dirty the ar is more reliable?
John Kennedy Yes-- the clean and dirty AR is more reliable. Or to be clear, the AR is just more reliable.
Barnaby Wylde Nope. Not in my experience, not in most shooter's experience.
Barry was such a wealth of knowledge. We all miss him.
I love his insight on the AK-74. It reassures my choice in making 5.45x39 my favorite round.
A lot of it wasn't true tho
@@austinhuber3131 Welcome to 6 years ago
@@MrBigChops the 5.45 is not more powerful than 5.56 that’s bullshit though
A fellow with a Ph.D. in Engineering could not summarize a point about a weapon as well as he could.
The AK is a quentisential russian gun, strong, tough, built simply, reliable under even the most harsh condition, easy to mass produce. It embodies everything that russian technology is about.
The Russians need a tough, easy and reliable weapon for there dumb as rocks conscripts.
@S F Knows his shit
@S F you speak the truth sir.
It's not as reliable as people like to claim. drop it in mud and it might be done.
For such things, Russians tend to have the philosophy "Keep it simple. Make it work."
Just wanted to say that although you did this video three years ago, I just came upon it and it's the best explanation of these two platforms that I've ever seen. You guys do a phenomenal job. Keep up the good work and God Bless you Barry, wherever you are.
I'm new to this channel and Barry was fantastic. Sad to hear of his passing, rest in peace sir. The new videos aren't the same.
A tip for quicker mag changes with the AK: use a tracer round for the 2nd to last round in each mag. Change the mag after shooting the tracer when there is one round in the chamber. You won't have to charge the rifle and you'll cut your time in half.
1 less round for quicker reloads, that's actually genius!
@@tintero969 the last round get chambered into the bolt before adding a new mag... technically your +1bullet not -1 bullet
love and miss you Barry! R.I.P my man
usadvisor he had a heart attack i think or stroke a few months ago.
usadvisor Sadly, Barry passed away :(
krims0n70 DID HE????? (!!!!
Oh no. Sad
Only found you today on UA-cam but very informative and will recommend your vids to my friends so I don't have to explain everything lol. Keep up the good work gentlemen and God bless America!
Good advisors, didn't beat around the bush, directly get down to the points, nice vlog man.
I have an M&P 15-22 (AR chambered in 22LR) as my training gun to get my kids accustomed to our platform, but I keep a couple wasr10 AK's as my go-to shtf weapons.
Which would you recommend for arming African child soldiers?
MrIkesimba lol AK
MrIkesimba calm down, kony lol
+MrIkesimba Either one, as long as they are made of plastic and shoot bb's
MrIkesimba Education
MrIkesimba The warlords would be smart to get some 10/22's or atleast some ruger mini 14's.. African child soldiers look goofy with an ak stock under their arms pits.
I went to Scheels recently... The 5.56 section was empty. The 7.62x39 section was packed.
That matters XD
Love this video, thank you for posting! This video was one of several references for me in deciding for myself which rifle to buy a Mini 14, but at that time right as the Parkland shooting happened, a shipment of several AK's arrived at our local gun store. The price was right, and as it was in my hand I felt as though I were 9 years old again when holding it, charging it and aiming it. I decided to buy the AK, and so so happy I did. The shooting pleasure I get out of it is just awesome. I love the simplicity on it, it has about 4 moving parts on it, and its just awesome. Very happy, this video was helpful in me making my decision. Thank you!! :-) Love you Barry, miss you!
If you want the best of both worlds: M1 Carbine kinda combines aspects of both. The AK was partially designed from the M1 (Carbine and Garand). I think that good ol' Kalashnikov took apart a couple of M1's and turned them upside down and went "Aha!".
"Who shoots at 440 yards with iron sights anyways?" US Marines do.
+Jamal Hunt Pft... 440 yards he says... The Few. The Proud. The guys you don't fuck with. lol'd
He is a former Marine and a combat veteran
Torque [Construction Noise] Lewith I could have worded my joke better. It was aimed at saying more than 440.
+Torque [Construction Noise] Lewith He was in the Army Reserve or National Guard.
+Jamal Hunt Or back when we used BRs
"this is a prom queen, this is a biker bitch."
I love this guy!
This came up in the feed and of course I watched all the way through. Awesome knowledge.
Both gorgeous tools each designed for a different task. Can't really compare over all if you ask me, you can't compare apples to oranges.
All that matters at the end of the day is that apples and oranges will both be one of your five a day.
I remember in some countries, they would take a rope soaked in kerosene, and run it down the barrel of an AK47... took not even 5 minutes to take the bolt apart, then drop that in the kerosene, then rub it with motor oil to get it cleaned... took about 10 minutes tops... these rifles were rusty, dirty, looked like they were used to dig holes, those rifles NEVER misfired or malfunctioned.. The round is another reason why you go with an AK... But, the key words here are, if the AR is KEPT CLEAN it will function well.. if not, then ... a few days, or weeks, or months, in the SH*T, I can tell you which rifle you wish you had.
you will see, time and time again from youtube channels, that they served time in the USMC, or other military services, then return back here and the AK / AKM is their primary rifle now. The M16, or M4 rilfes are still not 100%. They are a damn fine rifle and I own a couple that have been fairly reliable. There's a reason why someone would make the AK their primary rifle however.. and it's because the AR fails, the small 55 to 62 grain bullet loses steam after 200-250 yards and the ability for the bullet to perform it's intended job is highly diminished.
On the other hand, the 7.62 x 39 ballistic testing and wound cavity is not as dramatic as the AR. under 300 yards. That little tiny bullet is devastating. But, the AK will bust down bricks and does good at going through minor barricades.
My magic bullet is the 5.45 x 39 in an AK-74. I'm fairly new to shooting this round, but in the last year, found this to be very good accuracy, very hard hitting, extremely reliable, able to penetrate steel core RC engines we've been shooting up, able to penetrate hardened steel plate and just one badass, well thought out round and rifle. My AK-74s are as accurate as my Adams arms piston AR, yet as reliable as my AK47.. perfect combo!
You're 100% right... I think a couple AK47s (MAK90 or Polytech) and a couple AK74's and you're good to go.... Not sure if Obama had bad intel on the 'steel core' Soviet surplus 5.45x39, or he just doesn't want his conservative libertarian enemies to have it. Either case I have to start a new 'collection' - any idea who makes the best AK74s?
Joey P Just made 3x Bulgarian from brand spankin new AK-74 parts kits.
The guns didn't even have scratches from the bolt carrier being fitted inside of the steel receiver rails. Fabulous!
The AK-74s were solid, the trunions showed no signs of even being fitted to a rifle, and even the bolt itself showed no wear or marring from sliding inside the sheet metal rail on the receiver.
These Bulgarian 74s are better quality than any of the Izhmash AKs built by Arsenal.
The receivers used were chromoly, hardened in a kiln to 1525 deg F, then oil bathed in a homemade forming tool to keep the receiver straight. The final assembly, everything was trimmed on my CNC, and applied Tarjac green and black Cerakote. The make, feel and everything about the rifles leaves my friends drooling and wanting them.
So, Bulgarian brand new matching #s parts kit is the answer. Cheers and have a wonderful 2015!
Great information.... Thanks a lot...
After 80 years of rust, my grandfather allow me to inherit the AK which still fire as good as a retired veteran :))
~I too choose the AK47 rifle and I'm an old Sailor who was trained on the M14 and M16 and fought against the AK in Vietnam. I wish I could have grabbed one to bring back to the States.
~I love the 30 cal round for its knock down power within 300 meters. Add to that its simplicity to field strip for maintenance, even though you didn't need to do it very often, gives it a big edge in combat, IMO.
~It was some 45 years after I returned home before I bought my first of three AK47 rifle.
~I enjoy hearing you two using the correct terminology when describing the Rifles and their Ammo. I do thank you much.
Great video. I prefer the ar 15 because it's what I'm comfortable with and I love how the 5.56 performs at close range, it's pretty devastating
2021 and still watching videos of Barry trying to glean knowledge.
Didn't the Afghani's give the nickname poison to the 5.45 round? I thought I heard that somewhere
Yep. Brits did the same thing with a 303. Lead alloy core / wooden plugs in bullets
Thanks for the knowledge. It’s a video I need to watch again sometime.
Just ran across this video again. I miss Barry so much. Great source of knowledge and humor.
Good video. It's been my experience that sometimes things aren't always what they are cracked up to be. I bought an ar15 and my friend bought an ak, 4 years later my ar15 has had no problems and my friends ak had problems feeding extracting and one day at the range it blew up in his hands. I have seen the ak make great precision shots but at the end of the day I'm glad I went with the ar15.
Your friend probably had a crappy AK
@@Beaverstompers it was a Wasr.
That's weird AK's are far more reliable than an AR they require the least maintenance and can perform under extreme conditions dirt mud water AR gonna jam and leave you ass out under real apocalypse conditions that AK gonna fire until the last round!
"This is a Prom Queen.....this is a Biker Bitch....they both get the job done" hahahah this guy is AWESOME!!!!
i had different toughts about this calibers but u guys definitely know what you're talking about, i take your word of experience instead of what other say about it
Barry. One more special person. Wonderful PR skills. R IP. Thanks for all you did. SC Navy vet. 1965. 🇺🇸😊💙
Great video guys, this really helped in making my decision on which one to buys btw you guys Rock!
may I ask what was your choice?? I am trying to decide on them as well, thanks.
Ak47 man! More reliable easier to use! And it has more firepower! Well thats just me, anyways borh are are great guns I just went with the ak, probably gona get an AR too!
J Carlos Rosiles Realistically they are both great guns. You won't flat out go wrong with either but, depending on what you want to do with it you may very much prefer one over the other. If you like to go shooting & just blast off a bunch of rounds & blow up water bottles at relatively close ranges the AK is for you.
The AK is more accurate than many give it credit for but they are much harder to get that accuracy out of them. They aren't fun to sit down & target shoot with. Well, they are but not like the AR.
If doing precision target shooting is important to you, the AR is better. The AR will also do an impressive job blowing up water bottles but the AR just doesn't have the same feel & attitude of an AK.
The attributes of both that people argue about are drastically exaggerated. Yes, the AK will run dirtier & is more reliable if you don't maintain it well but they still jam. They still need maintenance. They aren't this mechanical device that will continue to work no matter what.
Yes, the AR needs more maintenance but no, it doesn't have to be spotless. With normal maintenance you would give any gun & the AR will never give you a spot of trouble. We aren't in a war zone, we don't throw our guns in a river or a sand bank. Is the ability to withstand that really something you need in a gun?
What I am getting at is don't rule out the AR because you hear they need to be spotless or they jam easy. They don't. Reliability isn't an issue unless you really neglect/abuse it. Don't rule out the AK because you hear they are not accurate. No they aren't as accurate as the AR but, if you take your time, they can do a 5" group at 200 yards.
When I was younger I liked to go out & just blast away at water bottles or old cinder blocks. I didn't particularly like cleaning. I wanted to clean it quick & be done with it. I liked the AK back then
Now that I am older, I like to take my time & shoot the water bottle out at 200 yards. I don't mind cleaning & I like to tinker. Now, I like the AR better.
Just some things to consider. By the way. you will end up with both eventually. You should say you are trying to decide which to get first. :) lol Good Day !!
They are both great guns that deserve all the praise that they get
I would love to see you re-visit this topic today Eric. This is my 3rd or 4th time watching this video in particular (I love watching old Gun Gripes vids in my spare time even though I've seen them all), but I'd love to see you talk about this argument again with your current film editing skill and technology.
Unbelievable the amount of knowledge you guys have tells me at 58 years old I know very little about technology and design concepts of firearms at least I am safety savvy and fairly sane and completely sober
I'd also like to know the difference b/w long piston like the AK and the short piston found in the current piston driven AR's. The pluses and minuses. Thanks for the great info.
6.5 grendel would've been an amazing round for the AR platform back then.
I've only been watching for a year or two but think It's kind of funny to see the difference between this and the newer content.
Thanks for videos I learned a lot and a lot of what I have learned about different weapons even My own weapon has been watching yalls video. Very valuable info. Thanks for videos.
Love both. If I had to pick I’d have to say ak 47 over a tiny margin.
I feel like this subject should be revisited... I always enjoy a good ole fashioned debate. Technology gentlemen.
Yikes
God you gotta love Barry. Bless his soul, seems like he was a great man.
"Prom Queen... Biker Bitch... they both get the job done." Classic. LMAO.
One more subscriber gained, great video! looking to buy my first rifle. Great knowledge of the weaponry as well as the history and intended purpose upon creation of the systems and ammo. Good job making an insightful video!! AK all the way!!! -SPC
I can build and fix my AR with a few simple tools.
The ak needs a 2-ton press to set rivets, a special tool to set the barrel in the front trunnion. A tool to remove rivets.
Side mounted optic rail on the ak was an afterthought.
It better be very durable, because you can’t fix it without a machine shop.
That’s the point, you won’t need to do that 🤣
Dude that’s not fixing an ak. You’re describing BUILDING an AK lmao. Fixing and building are not the same
@@jakeh6980 ak can be fixed with hammer
Wow I can't believe how long ago this was now.... I've been a fan of the channel for a long time.
My gun gripe is Jerry's love for his timer,"purchase", "platform"& other 'gun speak'.Damn I wish people would try to be a marksman instead how fast they can empty their gun (rental) in "how many seconds", .....Jerry.Ya'll keep it up.
They mentioned the negative about the gas impingement system - putting gas into the bolt carrier which adds heat a fouling and affects reliability. But they didn't mention the negatives about the piston system on the AK.
On an AR the only thing that moves is the bolt carrier which is inline with the bore and the shooter's shoulder so the recoil of the rifle is straight back allowing the shooter to stay on target.
On the AK the piston is ABOVE the center of the bore so as it comes back it pulls the barrel of the gun upward as well thereby pulling it off target. Worse yet, the piston is actually attached to the bolt carrier and this acts as a lever which magnifies the problem of muzzle rise. Shooters say that the AK isn't accurate. They are talking about follow up shots because the rifle pulls the shooter off target with every pull of the trigger.
I like the piston-drive AR. The piston is super light and not attached to the bolt carrier. This decreases muzzle rise and increases reliability.
I have an Arsenal Arsenal SLR-107 and a custom piston-driven AR. I would grab whichever one I had the most ammo at the time.
You forgot to mention the horrid open sight system present on each AK. Those aperture sights *really* make the target pop out. It's almost silly that people bother placing optics an ARs at all. I have a Mauser 98 that has those same Eastern European sight acquisitions. Aiming is god awful! I can bullseye with it, but it takes almost twice as long to get it lined up.
These guys I can tell were bias towards the ak
And that's why The SKS IS BETTER
So hard to say, I have to say AK-47, simple design yet so strong and almost impossible to jam, take the top off it and put a bunch of wet cement on top I bet it'll still fire.
Mr.Noone You obviously don't know jack shit
Lmao! As long as its wet cement, other nah pretty sure most if not all would fail from solid cement
I put the complete Texas Weapons Systems railed dust cover on my Draco with a Romeo 5 and peep sight for back-up and it is one of my favorite go to firearms....That being said I love owning and working a precision AR platform.....You are so right....2 different animals.....
Eric the early M-16's in South Vietnam used the 55 grn Bt FMJ,s with a 1 in 14" twist rate. These 55 grain Bt FMJ's were borderline stable in flight. It was not the velocity that caused these bullets to deflect so quickly, as much as the instability of these 55 grain BT FMJ's.
Both rifles are awesome but AR's don't shine when your target is behind cover
Raul Dorian that is where ammunition comes into play. The civilian market has access to things that most of our soldiers do not. ;)
Raul Dorian SO YOU THINK ITS A GOOD IDEA TO AT SOMEONE YOU CANT SEE??
That is why you should ALWAYS carry grenades and/or RPG during peace time in the city...
Nick Rodriguez They do actually. 7.62x39 round performs much better as far as dematerializing goes
DR Dan "Combat weapons"? Wow right wingers usually have a mental breakdown when terms like that are used. Nice to see youre using proper terms.
inrange did a few videos testing the reliability of the ar 15 in extreme cases. The ar won. I'm not saying the ar is better but it looks like its more reliable than people think.
Yeah, in that video gunk got right into the AK's chamber, no gun would have survived that. the AR won because it's a closed system, it's hard for gunk to get in when that dust cover is closed.
@@Humberto4790 they did the same test with the dust cover opened and the gun still fired. The reason was the ARs tighter fittings even with the dust cover open still made it harder for gunk to get in and stay in. The second reason was because the little gunk that did get in got blown out by sheer volume of blowback from the DI system.
@@Humberto4790 the AK failed that test because the charging handle slaps mud back into the gun from the recoil impulse
Love going through these oldies with Barry
One of my favorite vids you guys ever made. RIP Barry ***** $.25
AK"s over AR
lmao
its not funny
Alfred Baxter You just made it funny.
lmao
Neither is over the other. They aren’t comparable.
The video repeatedly refers to an M885 and an SS109 round. I found that very confusing. IIRC, M855, not M885, was the standard 62gr, "green tip", 5.56mm ammunition, we were issued for the GWOT and I believe SS109 was the either the NATO or possibly the Fabrique Nationale nomenclature for the round. M193 was the lighter stuff issue to the guys since Nam. I've heard from friends that are still active, that DoD decided to pick up a new environmentally friendly M855A1. It replaces the lead, in the back of the jacket, with a bismuth alloy, without changing the steel penetrator in the nose. However, I don't recall ever using an M885 round.
The M855 is the SS109 with a 61 grain bullet. it replaced the old M193 55 grain. The newest is the "green" M855A1 where the lead is replaced with a copper core.
BlindSpot1000
Thanks for your reply, but I feel certain M855 is not a 61gr bullet, in M855. Maybe that was a typo or you need to double check something. My previous comment was meant primarily to question the ''M885", that's mentioned in the video. Again probably a simply typo on IV8888's part rather than a lack of knowledge, but it could be annotated in the popups, without re-filming the video and losing the old footage of Barry.
mg556linked You are correct. I took it from memory. It's actually a 62 grain bullet in both the M855 and M855A1.
Stellar job. You two made a great pair.
great vid as always!!!
I never understood the argument that AK's should be reserved for less than well off people or military's. Doesn't it make sense that you would probably have to train your troops less on maintaining the rifle and use the saved time to teach them to shoot it instead or other important things? Wouldn't it would be a huge morale booster for the troops since they know that their weapon will go bang and kill something even if supply lines get cut off or there is insufficient time to really do weapons maintenance?Also, wouldn't it ease the supply lines a bit with less material needed for maintenance? Even if your military can afford a high maintenance weapon, why should it unless there's a huge bump in performance?
Cafelogis I wouldn’t call the M4 style rifle a huge maintenance one. Maybe more but not alot
Every weapon requires maintenance if a soldier or individual dont understand that and dont believe in taking care of his weapon your weapon is your life!!! Then he or she dont need to be a soldier or own any weapon!
@@jeremy2255 You don't always have time to maintain your weapon idiot. The AK is better.
I think Abraham Lincoln said it best, "If I had to choose one between the AR or AK, I'd go AK All day!"
@Iraqveteran8888 hey eric can you do a video showing how to tell when you need to replace a rifle barrel because my ak 47 rifleing seems closely to paper thin although the rifleing is still visible so a video or any tips would help alot thanks guys.
Really good info. I see in the comments that Barry is no longer with us. Always liked his demeanor. RIP. I have .556X45, .762X51. Now it's time for .762X39. You know what will be next after that though.
The idea that the AR needs to be cleaned a ton to work is false. I've carried one in iraq and AFG as an infantryman and not a single malfunction, and with minimal maintenance. Also the FN 49 used a short stroke piston, not direct gas impingment. and piston ARs aren't use a short stoke piston, whereas AKs use a long stroke, quite a big difference.
They issued you a ar15....That's fucked up
An M4 is the army nomenclature for their carbine variant of an AR15. And before you say it, an Ar15 is not only a semi auto. The first full auto "m16" my father was issued in 1972 was marked "colt AR15". Aside from a different fire control group, they are the same design.
I know they first marked them s ar15 whenever I attempt to tell people that therye like "your tucking stupid"
Yep, soldiers who have confirmed kills will tell you our advantage over those sand people in AFG was our range of our rifles and our optics were better, so in shootouts we could hit them before they knew what was going on.
When you say that you carried the AR-15/M4, do mean you shot it and used in combat on a fairly regular basis or that you literally 'carried' it? I ask because that can be quite misleading, so if you could please elaborate, that be wonderful.
For the average consumer living in the US, the AR15 is unquestionably the better gun, as cleaning materials and .223 rounds are much more abundant in a SHTF scenario.
Both 7.62x39 and .223 are widely available.
rip Barry..men like him are a dying breed. that's a REAL man there.i really wanted to meet him it's sad he's gone. i miss watching him
Always excellent content on this channel.
A+++++++
for me it would have to be an ar-15 because i find it more comfortable, faster to reload, and more accurate. i still love aks though.....
@15:15 who shoots at 400 yards with iron sights anyway?
Simo Häyhä
The legendary Finnish sniper
Get them both. Either one will get the job done and it's good to have options on what flavor to rock that day. I usually work with the AK tho. 154gr SP from Tula are my favorite
Guess what folks? That YUGO brass cased M67 7.62X39 ammo in those green crates a few years back has a HOLLOW CAVITY as well. Those crates came in strippered ammo (1120 rds.) and just boxed ammo (1260 rds.)
Why I'm buying an AR? It looks cool as fuck.
They do look cool but get some training on it. Don't just buy the weapon because it looks cool. Learn how to use it and use it well..
Bilbo_Gamers
But i think ak is cooler~
Because it’s more common than the AK in North America
sub'd, you guys are awesome
Ya I miss seeing Barry as well , I liked the way he taught guns . Learned a lot from watching vids he stared in ! Especially "Gun gripes 3 Revolver Etiquette" . RIP ...
The Finish AK is called RK 62 or 95 depending on the model. Easiest way to diffrentiate them is to check the stock. 62 has a tube stock and the 95 has skeletal folding stock. There basically AK:s with diopter sights with a bit less slack between parts.
13:23 sums up what I was going to comment
Ar15s are nice and all, but let's be honest. We will all be switching to AKs if SHTF
no ak are more accurate than people think ar are way more reliable than people think
+Bobby Johnson I agree completely especially the updated modern versions.
+Hingle McCringleberry I'd go with AR in a SHTF scenario simply because of the availability of 5.56 and AR parts. We're not in BF Afghanistan where there isn't a can of oil for miles. ARs would be easy to maintain.
+Atilla The Fun No doubt. Just a few spare parts will keep an AR running optimally for the life of the barrel. If you ask me, that little extra maintenance every 4,000-5,000 rounds is more than worth the benefits the AR offers. People act like spare parts will be impossible to find if something happens.
Personally, when I build a new rifle I just buy a spare bolt, 3 sets of gas rings, 3 extractor & ejector springs, a hammer spring, a couple of buffer springs & a spare gas tube. That has me set as far as maintenance for the life of the gun & all that can fit in a sock stuffed in with a box of ammo. Not to mention, you can carry a spare bolt in the grip. In the rare event something actually breaks, a spare bolt can be slapped in very quickly, under a min, & covers a large % of problems that could disable the gun.
Every 4,000 to 5,000 rounds I replace the springs in the bolt, the gas rings, and the buffer spring. At 10,000 I replace the bolt, gas tube, hammer spring & buffer spring. (the newer chrome silicon buffer springs may last the life of the gun)
It sounds like lots just listing it here but that's over the life of the gun. That results in replacing things before they break & it's only about $100 in parts to keep it running like new for 20,000 + rounds.
Some say the AR requires excessive maintenance but I wouldn't consider taking 20 mins or so & swapping out a few parts three times over the life of the gun excessive.
No the ar is more reliable than people think
Re watching and enjoying some of the older videos, sure miss Barry.
Beautiful video and great information
I'm glad you included the 545 in the video but it seems as if you forgot about him a bit.. Also barrel lengths... To get proper yaw and tumble out of an AR-15 it MUST have a 22" barrel. Shoot 5.56 out of a 16" barrel you're pissing in the wind. IN MY OPINION; The ONLY thing good about an AR's are the interchangeable uppers and how they are so easily accessorized. Other then that they are shit. 545 outperforms 556 in any ballistics test ANY day of the week. You can shoot 545 out of an 8" Krinkov barrel and still get proper yaw. Now for the 7.62... It has HORRIBLE ballistics. It's only good for punching holes through walls and laying down supressive fire. You can only sling so much lead in someone's direction before they chop you to bits... If I had to pick one to get hit by it would be the 7.62 because it would sail right through me. The AK74 545X39 is clearly where it's at.. I'd like to see you guys do an accuracy test and ballistics on the AK74 and the AR-15. The AK47 shouldn't even be compared because that cartridge has NOTHING to do with the other 2.. Honestly it's not even that useful unless you plan on doing most of your shooting through walls or car doors..
right, and you're an expert with a PhD in ballistics, just like me right?
please talk more about shit you read on a gun forum
shmediaproductions
I think he's suffering a bit from fanboyism but there is one thing he is right about. The 5.45x39 causes more damage to the human body than a 5.56x45. So arguably more stopping power without the disadvantages of the 7.62x39. On the opposite end of the spectrum the Chinese 5.8x42mm has some of the best penetration performance out of all the major rifle cartridges, however it tends to zip straight through flesh without much damage done.
Let me guess, you bought an AK 74 & have never fired anything else?
They are all good rounds, they just do different things better. Personally, I would prefer to take out a target before I am in their effective range.
shananagans5 I've owned all of them. My Bushmaster had sooo many issues. VERY picky with ammo too. They're nice and light but I can still shoot just as good with my waffenworks ak-74. In a time of civil unrest etc I would never put trust in anything with that setup. HOWEVER.. 556 will be fathoms easier to find if I run out of 10k rounds of 545, so it'd be nice to have one laying around (Cased up and plastic wrapped) lol
***** You can't really judge the 5.56 or the AR from a Bushmaster.
They aren't bad rifles but they aren't good rifles either. They do generally need some adjustment to get high levels of reliability. At that, they are still no Daniel Defense.
That is one thing about the AR. You do need to spend to get the most benefits. You can't buy a cheap gun & expect it to run like a $1,500+ rifle.
There have got to be reasons why the AK-47 is the universal Ultimate weapon.
I would entrust my life on something that is less likely to fail than so called more accurate weapon.
Every weapon is as good as the Man shooting it.
Moreover, optics are available today, cheaply if you desire.
I have no time to clean AR-15 after every shooting, unlike AK-47 you don't have to cuddle with every time you fuck it.
You just roll over and go to sleep!
Lmao
the reason it is so universal is because it cheap and has nothing to do with quality. if you think you don't have to clean a firearm you have a problem.
678friedbed READ UP, DUMMY. CHEAP?
EVERY FIREARM PERFORMANCE IS RELATED TO THE SHOOTER.
MICAH JOHNSON IN DALLAS USED AN AK-74 with sighting and was good at it.
Riot Fiftythousand you are incorrect, he used a sks rifle. There is a story out about how he did a private party purchase of an ak pattern rifle years before the shooting, but it seems this is mostly anti 2A propaganda as it was not the weapon he used.
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Great informative video guys! R.I.P
Barry...
I own a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 Sport 2 ($550) a and an Aresenal SAM7R-61 ($1,300) and I would choose my AR15 over my AK any day of the week if I could only carry one.
Who would you rather take to the brawl?
The Soviet Biker chick or the American Prom Queen?
Although she is much more sleek and sexy, I am leaving the Prom Queen at home and taking my Soviet Biker Chick to the brawl...she doesn't mind getting dirty and that chick can rock and roll with the baddest.
7.62x39 all the way.
I'm staying at home with the prom queen
Hahaaahhaahhaaahha thats a neat way to put it!!
Abdullah Mikail I'll take the biker chick for she is ride or die and make for better partners. When in doubt AK out.
ALERT: THE SHTF.
You have spare parts in your house, and time to clean guns (understand, you have A LOT of downtime in TEOTWAWKI)
Youre alone, across the street, 3 thugs with AKs and an AR, just shot your neighbors in their driveway.
One is sitting down, one is looking in a bag hunched over, and one is talking to sit down dude.
-You have 60 bullets, and 1 rifle.
-You have the drop on them.
-You HAVE to take the enemy out, they have needed supplies and will come for your house eventually.
-Either an EMP struck, or your optics have no batteries. Irons only.
What gun would you use? AK? AR? none and you pick a semi 308?
I'd call the police. They'd fix everything.
I'd use a highpoint 9mm
You guys are a serious crew out there at moss pawn and gun. I need your videos to live
The Prom Queen and Biker Bitch analogy is the greatest thing I have ever heard.