GREATEST Metal Bands Tier List According to a Music Snob
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2022
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Metallica
System of a Down (SOAD)
Tool
Dream Theater
Iron Maiden
Megadeth
Avenged Sevenfold (A7X)
Linkin Park
Rammstein
Pantera
Slayer
Slipknot
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Dayum. 5FDP above Lamb of God, Slipknot, Slayer, and Korn? Brave man.
No just stupid.
Not brave, just poor taste
Yeah...WTF
+++ agreee stupid shit like 5fdp beter than legend slayer)
I kind of agree that Slipknot are overrated, and Slayer has been mediocre for a long time now, but putting them low is madness. Korn I like, but I think it doesn't necesarily is better than 5FDP, which is not bad anyways.
You almost put Judas Priest in the same tier as Five finger butt punch, I can't even describe the pain I feel from that.
I know. Five finger death punch needs to be in the eat dog shit tier
Priest rules. No Sabbath, no Priest, no metal.
Deal with it
@@kevinbrown1893
Metal absolutely would’ve continued without Judas Priest, though we wouldn’t have bands like Slayer or Venom.
Painkiller was one of the most important albums to me as growing young metal head.
Having Motorhead D, and FFDP in B is just...
Yeah like.... Wtf 😒 that's an insult motorhead Fucking Rules and should be in the highest tier with Megadeth Judas Priest Megadeth and iron maiden
Motorhead in D is just a Joke
Motorhead C, FFDP Five F Plusses
y’all take this dude seriously. he said all of black sabbath without ozzy is shit. credibility out of the window.
@@joneubanks9686
He’s not wrong, only good album is Heaven and Hell.
My expectations were low but holy fuck.
Holy fuck Mike has opinions
Going to my 1st metal show tonight, Lamb of God, Killswitch Engage, Baroness, and Suicide Silence. I’m excited for it
Sounds like a great line up!!! Enjoy 🤘🤘🔥🔥
I’d kill to see Baroness I love those guys
Suicide Silence puts on a fantastic show, saw them open for Jinjer a couple months back and Eddie’s energy is fucking infectious
LoG has been on fire lately !
@@bretmclennan2147 Not really a fan of Suicide Silence, but they're absolutely great live for sure. The crowd was nuts when I saw them opening for Cannibal Corpse years ago.
Disturbed: "I have to give them an A. They helped define and redefine Numetal to a degree."
Korn: "C tier."
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatf?
The biggest bs in the vídeo, disturbed it's so overrated by americans it's just stupid, for most people outside US it's just an ok band with some radio hits and thats it
haha yeah thats such a wild take
I think Korn is A and Disturbed is B
@@Meccarox absolutely
@@diegosotomiranda4107 their first album is amazing and definitely not stupid music, their later albums aren't very special
The Metallica tier explanation is by far the best and most universally accurate one.
nah not before that megadeth explanation
Sorry but for me is Metallica only a c Tier. The old Songs are god, Not gonna lie. But "newer" Songs are to Mainstream for me. Megadeth stays the Same for over 30 years, and they Not changed and stayed in the Thrash Szene.
@@Your_Nxiety trash szene
@@Your_Nxiety idk man i don't like the new Metallica stuff but i appreciate that they tried something new
@@Your_Nxiety Spit out the bone is better than anything post rust in peace.
S.O.A.D is a unique band. They have weird ass lyrics but somehow their weirdness just kicks ass
@@SimplyPlatonic lyrical genius
Banana terracotta pie
They are geniuses of the quirks.
"A former cop, undercover Just got shot, now recovered, why"
The entire 3rd album:
I’m a huge Alice In Chains fan and it’s cool to see that they were included in the B tier. Although not the biggest. I think they were the most creative band to come out of the Seattle big four.
AIC and Soundgarden were the top two out of the whole grunge scene, in my opinion. Unfortunately, overrated Nirvana overshadowed all of them.
Hell yes I agree 100%
Alice in Chains is super unique and I feel that even though they "aren't metal" they are still embraced by the metal community for the most part.
@@brbosen Jerry Cantrell will die on a hill saying that AIC is a metal band. He hates them being called grunge or anything else lol
True, I think I would have put Alice in Chains in a tier (I'm also a huge fan) but considering the fact that they aren't strictly metal he made a pretty sound judgement. Skid Row was just "no" and Stone Sour was "I'm not considering them metal right now!" Lol I get the hair metal joke, but Stone Sour are Alternative metal so they do fall under that category!
Maybe you could argue that Stone Sour also fall under Post-grunge, Nu metal, Hard rock and even Alternative rock so maybe they aren't strictly metal a bit like Alice in Chains but how many other people still know 30/30-150 as their signature song? That song is the perfect template of an Alternative metal song and most of their albums have more of a metal leaning too!
@@futurebreedmachine9302 I agree, Nirvana was mostly a sloppy mish mash of the Pixies, Wipers and the Melvins, they might have been revolutionary at the time and had a somewhat interesting sound even by today's standards to give credit where it's due! However, their music lacked feeling and mostly just struck me as apathetic cynicism, plus they weren't in anyway considered metal, other than through Grunge lol
Cobain wasn't a bad singer but he didn't have the vocal power and presence of Staley or Cornell. Both Alice in Chains and Soundgarden were interesting and dynamic in their approach and their music had a lot of feeling aswell! Though I would argue Soundgarden had more of a psychedelic edge whereas Chains had more of a harmonies and melodies edge.
Helloween F tier ?!?! Keeper of the Seven Keys, one of the best metal songs of all time.
Yeah I don't understand either
This is the most retarded piece of shit list I have seen so far
FFDP: Are they good? I don't like them. B-tier.
Helloween: Are they good? I don't like their music. F-tier.
Sure that makes sense.
This and Mötorhead were the most baffling rating to me
@@kyleburton9352 Helloween is getting love because they are old farts, 5FDP getting hate because people thinks it's cool to hate them
Dude, Dirt by Alice In Chains is an amazing sounding album, production perfection in my opinion
Nevermind for legacy, but I will always vote Dirt as greatest grunge album of all time because it is incredible and weird and opened up metal for me as a child, same with the Black Album.
Man! This guy is brutal, & makes a lot of takes that would be deemed controversial in the metal world lol
Agreed! I had this look on my face when he spoke of Motorhead like I was in the same room as a couple having an abusive domestic dispute.
He's just the normie metal Finn Mckenty lol. "Singer not melodic. Production need more Protools. Why no hook? This band bad"
@@donniehoffman4738 He is entitled to his own tastes. He strikes me more of a proghead.
If he were a Death Metalhead he would search for aggression, speed and technicality. If he were a Black Metalhead he would actually favour low production, atmosphere and wouldn't mind repetitive lyrical themes, etc. Different strokes for different folks.
Donnie Hoffman You are the man, I always tried in my head to come up with the best possible and most perfect criticism/diss on his general take on music which I am not a big fan of and you’ve totally nailed it and made it hilarious too😂 The greatest thing about your criticism or should I say diss is that from an objective and technical point of view it was not offensive at all because some people may take the points that you made as positive traits, you are a genius!!!😁
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266
Yeah but in a musical perspective, you’d always want to go for better production/sound, even Slayer tries to go for “good production”
Anthrax is not really that bad. Their "punk thrash" style can be very fun sometimes, even comical I would say. It's a breath of fresh air compered the other thrash bands that used to take themselves way too seriously. Not trying to say they are the best, but definitely not the worst. I personally find most of Slayer's stuff way less interesting, and that comes from a prog-thrash head.
Anthrax is not bad at all
@Ghostface Kurd Killah the stuff from Slayer i actually enjoy are their earliest work. No Mercy and Hell Awaits are generally speaking good albums (although the production on both of those is even worse than Killing Is My Business). It's the rest of their work that I find extremely uninspiring and monotonous.
100% agree anthrax is awesome great live shows serious stuff like Indians and fun af stuff like bring the noise and all that
Anthrax is slow
JB era > JB era
Skid Row and Ghost are more Metal than several bands you gave a pass to. I legit don’t get how Three Days Grace counts but they don’t.
Ghost, Abba with metal elements. 😂
@@Qyngali New Ghost maybe, but their first 3 albums, certainly first 2, are genuine metal. I don't get the hate either. They're a breath of fresh air to me.
@@mattdad8429 it was mostly a joke, I do like a lot of their stuff. :)
Never heard Skid Row but yeah Ghost should qualify if glorified butt rock bands like TDG and Breaking Benjamin qualify
Right? I love Ghost. They are old school 70's and 80's Heavy Metal.
In my opinion, earlier Sepultura like Arise and Beneath The Remains are miles ahead of the Roots Bloody Roots sound. Those albums are so great
you're so correct
Imo prime (early) Sepultura is the greatest metal off all time
He criticized arise, said it’s the same crap other Metal bands do.
First 4 Sepultura albums are goated as fuck
I’ve seen a lot of people come across Metallica in like a ranking system, which obviously always ranks high, and everyone is always like “yes, obviously, moving on”
I’m a big fan of Avenged Sevenfold, but I get the thing about M. Shadows’ voice. For me it was much harder to get over James Labrie’s vocals than Shadows.
Oh total agree on that.
💯% agree. Would take Shadows over Labrie anyday
James Labrie is the main reason why I don't enjoy a lot of Dream Theater songs.
I like a7x more than dream theater but I like James Labrie way more than M. Shadows
the thing is, he USED TO be one of the best prog metal vocalists, arguably at least. go listen to any of the recent dt live recordings. it is painful to listen to. i know hes had an infection but it doesnt make it any less painful. dt fans shit so much on modern pop singers not being able to sing live, but id listen to most pop singers live nowadays than dream theater because of labrie alone. in the studio sounds fine tho@@napo7866
Mike, you may not know this but when you heard Roots (Bloody Roots) from Sepultura the reason you were laughing is because the lead vocalist Max Cavalera literally took the melody from Right Said Fred I'm Too Sexy and didn't realize it at the time. Max even admitted it. Just re listen to the verses of Roots and you'll laugh.
Bullet For My Valentine being in B tier above bands like Slipknot and Slayer is hilarious.
cuz he is idiot
Agree!
Remember people, music is subjective, you can like what you like and that’s okay. 👍
Dream Theater are the poorer excuse for "music" I've ever heard. Literally all flash and no substance, there is no point in having long songs if they are completely uninspired.
Hey yo, big Anthrax fan here. I love the band quite a lot. Mostly the Thrash Years from 'Spreading the disease' up to 'Persistence of time'. I think they have some great riffs, fun solos and very wonderful singing done by Joey Belladonna. The John Bush era has some good songs but i don't really care about it. The newer stuff is also quite good. I think they are great at making fun thrash songs, as well as some personal and emotional songs.
I wanted to see them this month but sadly they cancelled the european tour.
P.S.: No one cares who is or isn't in 'the big four', all of the oldschool thrashers made bangers and albums that were constantly rivaling each other in technique and quality. Have a great day!
I generally feel like Anthrax were more willing to have fun with their music than many of their contemporaries.
they were in the "Big Four" as that was based around who sold the most albums. Anthrax sold a lot more back in the day than Testament, Exodus, etc. FFS they had enough of a presence to be guest star in an episode of Married With Children.
Spreading the Disease and Among The Living are great albums, State of Euphoria and POT are good with a few great tracks.
@@oldbittercraig3513 OK. Cool.
Sound of White Noise.
What I love about Blind Guardian is that they do Power Metal without being over the top cheesy. I think even people who hate power metal can enjoy some of BGs discography.
Power metal is cringeworthy don't lie
Yeah I don't like power metal but BG rips
as someone who usually hates Power Metal, I can agree. Guardian are great
I think it's because Blind Guardian are from the BTTFAF (Before Through the Fire and Flames) era. I'm pretty sure that song singlehandedly spawned all the cringier modern PM bands that we associate with the genre today
Imaginations From The Other Side is defenitely one of the best Metal Albums of all time imo
One of the best things of Rammstein are the lyrics. It’s really smart writing at times. And yes. Metallica doesn’t need an explanation.
I think anthrax’s 80s stuff holds up super well! Especially the guitar tone!
Anthrax is basic fun. Thrash doesn't need to be super technical to be good, and Anthrax is a great testament to that.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 I totally agree! And the speed and ferocity is terrific!
Spreading the Disease and Persistence of Time are fabulous!
I think they're a fun thrash metal band with some pretty good songs, I would put them in B tier
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 I see what you did there.
I used to feel the same about motorhead, but they've definitely grown on me over the last year or so, and their influence is undeniable.
So glad that Blind Guardian got the respect they deserve. My first experience with metal was Nightfall in Middle Earth. But I'm heartbroken by your opinion on Avantasia
Anthrax had a big influence to bands that has speed as part of their sound up picking qualities like Slayer. Being from New York and not California aslo help popularize them as well.
True, New York is big, and they built their fan base their I assume.
You aren't a snob or elitist, because that would imply you uncompromisingly demand a high standard. You think you are a snob because you're presenting your thoughts bluntly and unapologetically. What you actually are is a regular dude with regular opinions, a lot of which are formed without actual understanding of the thing you're judging. I wonder what I the viewer am to do with such opinions.
For example, you rip on bands with criticisms that may apply today but complete ignore certified classic albums they have produced. Meanwhile you praise bands that are virtually defined by the same traits you criticize.
I mean good grief, Helloween in F? Motorhead in D? Disturbed in A? Five finger death punch higher than the band that made Dusk and her Embrace? Are you on crack rocks?
Being unfamiliar with the channel, I just assumed the "SNOB" thing was some kind of in-joke. If not, I have no idea what it's supposed to mean.
I think the snob part comes from his obsession with production values and how he dislikes most classic metal bands and entire genres(black metal specifically and most other extreme metal genres) because of it, not understanding that there actually is a value to what he calls' dogshit production'.
@@OwlR4id3r I’ve seen some of his videos. He’s a classic gatekeeper. What he likes is dictated on how the media thinks of them. If they’re not as popular, he calls them the metal equivalent to motzart. If they’re a very famous band, he calls them chimpanzees that robed a music store.
Arch Enemy definitely deserves a listen in the melodeath space. Jeff Loomis (from Nevermore) and Mike Arnott (from Carcass) write some great twin-guitar lead work and solo trade-offs and Angela Gossow is/was a beast of a singer.
I think your opinion about helloween would worth a not enough context tier. They've done tons of great stuff in so many different styles. Just listen to my sacrifice or dark ride or occasion avenue. Memorable songs with memorable melodies.
i love helloween
This guy hasn't listened to enough Helloween. Helloween, in my opinion, is heads and shoulders above most of the radio-friendly, polished and processed shit on this list.
He just hates them, it's his opinion I guess.
@@shadowedge729 I believe that A Tale That Wasn't Right alone is just one of the best ballads and SONGS I've heard
@@laitiermilkman4290 Yeah fr
I like your explanations for your choices. Even if you're not that into the bands at the moment, you give them credit they deserve. Seen other guys put good bands down the list just cause they're not that into them anymore and that's not fair
The way he put Helloween in F tier must be fking trolling to piss ppl off. No way he doesn't know how influential those guys are, even if he really dislikes their music.
Loved this video! Glad to see some of my favourite bands get talked about (especially Blind Guardian in A tier - couldn't agree more).
Maybe a tier list of prog bands next? Curious as to your thoughts on King Crimson, Yes, Jethro Tull, Genesis etc. in a context just like this video.
I'm shocked u put CRADIL OF FILTH so high on the list.. that's awesome
Can't believe you done Kvelertak like that. My favourite band at the moment. Been listening to their 4 albums on repeat, especially their debut. Quality stuff
I was pleasantly surprised by Blind Guardian. Very happy about that, they are in my top 3 favorite bands of all time.🤘🏻😍 Of course a very controversial tier list (Avantasia and Helloween for example hurt me) but that's what makes it interesting.🤘🏻 Tier list itself wasn't very good though.
Love that kind of metal as well, and I kind of thought he had a good point about how they seem to play that fantasy type metal in a way that just comes off less hokey or corny compared to others. Some can still do it well, but like Hammerfall, he nailed that. They just don't do it the way Blind Guardian can. Also, I don't think I really know Avantasia, so I'm off to go listen to them now and see what I think.
I would also put
Man Trivium might very well be the most underrated band... They are hands down of the most talented musicians and songwriters in the scene today, never wrote a dull song to be honest and their good stuff is unbelieavable and also very catchy!
Also, the vocals on Sepultura are freakin' awesome!!
Great video as always!
Exactly my thoughts. There's a lot I disagreed with in this video, but Trivium in C tier? I'm sure this guy hasn't heard more than 5 songs from them. Willing to bet on it.
@@goncalosilva8069 I agree, maybe in a future video he reconsiders.
Also, Força Porto!!
Trivium is by far my favorite band. I must have listened to Shogun front to back 50 times.
@@goncalosilva8069 agreed
Trivium is legit for sure. Great players and really good songwriters.
Avenged Sevenfold is hands down my favorite band of all time. Their music came into my life at a perfect time. While I do agree with you that M. Shadows voice hasn't been up to par lately. But his voice on the self titled album and Nightmare album......Jesus he was killing it imo!
in city of evil shadows sound amazing too imo
Completely agreed!! Songs like Unbound, Little Piece of Heaven, Buried Alive, Victim, Tonight The World Dies would not have hit if Shads wasn’t at his peak vocally
Avenged is the band that got me into metal and playing the guitar, but I can understand their placement on the list. Either you love em or hate em (for various reasons). I’ve been a fan since 11 and they do stuff here and there that makes me cringe a bit. Still though, all time favorite no question.
A7X is my alltime favorite too and I love shadows voice but the way he sings does throw a lot of people off when I show them songs. I get it but I love it 😂
I just think it’s funny he puts dream theater in A tier and I have the same issue with them that he has with a7x. Labries voice is so ehh compared to the other musicians in the band.
You need to remember that HammerFall is also that band who brought back The old school metal sound back in the 90s. And they make good songs, Almost every song is Super catchy, Great musicianship
should be A
The Lyrics kind of are a blocker for a lot people though
Not sure how the list was made but super surprised that Opeth didn’t make it. Great video. Love the explanations.
Avenge Sevenfold has always been different every album. They never had one clear direction! People seem to hate that 🗿
I love that. Each album has a specific sound while still distinctly sounding like a7x. Genuinely can't wait to see what they do on their next one
Yeah, and i don't get it why people hate this. For me the only album that is dog shit is Hail to the King, but the rest just kick ass
That's true however I found myself not liking some of the directions they took, I loved the white album, City of Evil, Nightmare, The Stage is.. fine sometimes, but the rest I found pretty meh
@@maestro.humenhuk I genuinely love hail to the king lmao. Like it's in my top three with the stage and city of evil. I just never understood the hate. Sure I can kinda see why people dont like that it isnt authentic a7x since their trying to replicate or pay homage to their inspirations but to me that's just a part of the charm. The songs by themselves are all bops and the places where I can go "oh that sounds like Metallica or that sounds like Guns n Roses" is cool. From my point of view self titled is grossly overrated (the hits are cool but the rest is mostly meh to me) and the only truly bad album is sounding the seventh trumpet
@@kybalerton2608 The white album for me is more a thing from the moment it was released, i was in my teenage years and listening to almost easy in NFS ProStreet helped me develop a greater love for the band, it's more a personal thing for me and a for a lot's of people of my age. I really love StST, the influence of nu metal, ska and the early days of death core really pleases me, and is an album entirely without Synyster besides his lead guitar in to end the rapture in future prints of the album.
This being said i think hail to the king don't please me as much as the others by the moment it was released, i was older and discovered a new world of music in that point and i was not connected to them as i was in some part of my life.
Big Anthrax fan here. I’d consider most of the music I like from them to be very fun. Obviously out of the big 4, the members of Anthrax have the most bubbly/energetic personalities and I think that reflects well in their riffs and overall songwriting. Have to also shoutout them taking a huge risk in mixing rap with metal which, to me at least, worked extremely well for them.
They are definently more accomblished and well known than Exodus and Testament as well which I don't get why he said they didn't deserve the big 4 spot. Scott Ian is a household name at this point.
Most bubbly energetic personality, that,s not what I think about when I think about Scott and Charlie.
@@johns6351 more accomplished than testament? what have they accomplished?
So happy you put Linkin Park in such high tier. LP is very meaningful to me and without them, I would never have gotten into metal bands in A tier
same here. started with LP and now im jamming to heavier bands hehe
They were very influential. Chesters and Mikes vocals were very polarizing
Same
They get mentioned a lot for being the ultimate gateway band for young people, but never get the credit for how carefully crafted a lot of their songs were. They can play the same 5 notes in a song and it'd still be catchier than half the shit on the radio.
Alice In Chains has metal in a lot of their grunge sound. I'd say they're also alternative metal and semi-sludge/doom metal in some songs on their later albums.
By far the heaviest grunge band besides maybe The Melvins, which is also more sludge metal-like
generally when i talk to metal fans they say theyre grunge, but when i talk to grunge fans they say theyre metal. everyone seems to like them tho so its fine, i feel like theyre a 50/50 mix.
Ive always liked M Shadows’ voice. Theyre in my top 5 bands with Dream Theater and Opeth (DT being the top). Respectable tier list!
The Stage wasn't bad, not my cup of tea but not bad by any means, I believe they're best album overall is City Of Evil. My favorites are Waking the Fallen and Nightmare, Waking the Fallen for a fun beautiful time, and Nightmare for those dark nights of the soul.
honestly I just started getting into A7x and the vocals were one of the things that caught my attention the most. Been listening to the Nightmare album and so far I think he sounds amazing tbh. Very appealing voice. Reminds me a bit of 90s James Hetfield in a good way
Dream theater, a7x, and opeth are also in my top 5 favourite bands
@@Remedy462 City of Evil is definitely their best album.
@@RobertSmith-uz5sz No complaints. 😎
I totally get what mean with Amon Amarth but I absolutely love them, they put on a really fun live performance as well
Same with Slipknot and Three Days Grace hahahaha. Get what he said, still love them
The Last Baron is such a fucking amazing song. One of the only 13 minute non-Maiden songs I never get tired of.
LOL at Distubed at A-tier though.
Your Metallica comment was priceless. Well done.
lifelong amon amarth fan here, i can respect where you put them because every person and their experience with music is almost entirely individual. the reason i rate them so high personally is because of my interest in norse history and mythology. most people's levels of interest when it comes to many bands will fluctuate depending on interests outside of music most of the time, just an important thing to note for a lot of die hard fans of bands that he ranked low.
also i agree with everything he says about metallica
M shadows voice never bothered me, but I think I have a strong tolerance for vocalists because rush and dream theater are two of my favorite bands
Love this video! Excellent analysis as always. Proud to have played a key role in the Manowar listening experience story!
As a hardcore Manowar fan I can respect his view of them, they're not for everyone. Some people really do trash them based on the image alone.
@@LongLiveRockAnRoll He clearly hasn't listened to any of Manowar's first four albums. He should have put at not enough context.
To say that FFDP is higher up than Cradle of Filth says a lot about your opinion. Dani’s voice is great, especially when paired with Sara’s backing vocals (in the early days). A lot of forgettable songs and albums as the years went by, so they’re not consistently good, but so many great ones (between 96-03’) which warrants a high B IMO.
He doesn't like black metal shrieks, a lot of metalhead don't. But overall I wouldn't put FFDP higher yeah
Ummm no.
Awesome video again, I really love that you don’t get too caught up in genres and marrying one genre.
Most the bands, I listen to would fall under one genre of metal or another but I’ve never really cared to just hunt out one genre. If I like the music, I like the music I don’t really give a fuck if it’s one genre of metal or not or if it’s metal or hard rock or whatever. I never understood this just seeking out everything in one genre and only loving that and losing your mind. Anytime you meet someone who likes music that isn’t in that genre.
Pantera, Ozzy, Metallica, Alice In Chains, Slayer, Guns N Roses, White Zombie, C.O.C. , Mudvayne , Megadeth, Sepultura, Hellyeah, Type O Negative, Black Sabbath, Fear Factory, Korn…. most of these bands don’t sound anything like each other, but I’ve never cared. Those are the bands that I absolutely love and will probably listen to for the rest of my life. Could care less what the elitist think, I burnt my copy of the heavy metal rulebook along time ago because I like getting laid.
I’d love to see a Pantera video and how you approach one of my favorite bands
Take a shot every time Mike puts a band in the C Tier. That’s your new drinking game for you.
I may not agree with all of the picks, but I do like that you explained your reasoning very well!
As a huge Sabaton and Nightwish fan I think both those reviews were very fair. I was actually surprised by your take on Sabaton, expected it to be much lower given some of the previous videos I have watched of yours in regards to lyrics not being music and, as you rightly point out, Sabaton is very much about the history and the lyrics. The songs are incredibly similar to each other, and they definitely have a structure they write to that both works incredibly well to produce hit songs but also is a bit too by the book, but I have never heard a Sabaton song (except for the ballads.....) that I didn't like.
On the Nigthwish end, I don't think they write for an aesthetic as much as their aesthetic is meant to fit the writing. Tuomas has always been the writer and this has always been his vision, so the appearance of the band part of his storytelling. And that storytelling.......well it only really makes sense to him :p
But the songs are amazing (in my opinion anyway) but its a very specific style.
Same! I mean look at my profile picture lmao, As much as I love Sabaton's riffs and choruses, I love discovering new stories to look up because of Sabaton.
You have a great opinion on both bands. I like both of them, too, although Nightwish comes out on top for me. The thing I very much dislike about Nightwish however is how they spat out some of the most talented artists, like Tarja, Marco, Jukka and that's at least partly because of Tuomas who's always been talked about as elitist and hard to work with. I'd also count Anette Olzon, too. She never got close to the vocal poweress of Tarja Turunen and Floor Jansen, but her style fit the band particularly well in the era of 2006-2012.
@@DDxRaptor that's true about Tarja, but Jukka left because of insomnia and Marco because of depression and other issues. They both confirmed in several Finnish interviews it had nothing to do with Tuomas and he is a great guy. I think the Tuomas ego thing is overinflated in the media , but the Tarja situation was messy and all parties regret that and have said as much . Tuomas is actually quite a reserved guy (we Finns tend to be ) and isn't nearly as much of a ego trip as often portrayed
I'm a big fan of both of these, and you're pretty much right about all of this.
Out of curiosity, what are the songs you don't like?
@@hithedragon7842 The Ballad of Bull.
There are people who enjoy it, and I like the lyrics and concept, but Joakim has a very limited range vocally and ballads are not in his normal range. So to me personally its hard to listen to.
Hey Mike! Since Sevendust didn't make this list I'm curious as to what tier you would put them in if they were and your reasoning for it
I love Sevendust but he might put them into not enough context IMO way better than Disturbed better songwriting better singer and Morgan freaking Rose enough said.
Personally, A tier.
Amongst all the other metal bands, B tier.
I love sevendust. Great grooves, the drummer kicks so much ass with his chops and swing. Lajon is a talented vocalist, peak perfection.
The guitarists aren't spectacular to me, but have made great riffs. Only very few songs that don't capture me in the same way as others.
@@mg682 They should be way bigger than FFDP in which that's sad because they suck ass Sevendust one of the best live bands to go see.
Quite shocked by your Trivium ranking tbh. I was sure it would be the kind of band you’d love
i agree i was too
How the fuck can someone put Trivium in C tier while putting Five Finger blah blah in B, no fucking sense
Of all the metal bands and no "DEATH"? Chuck Schuldiner is a legitimate metal god.
Death is unequivocally the greatest heavy metal band of all time, imho. Not the most popular or most mainstream choice though outside death metal circles. Constant innovation from Scream Bloody Gore through Sound of Perseverance. Every album he worked hard to top the previous. Brilliant songwriting, riffs heavier than hell, technical solos, I love his idiosyncrasies/styles i.e. using Egyptian/phrygian dominant scale. He even covered badass songs like God of Thunder and Painkiller.
I really dig your judgment on these bands. Each one, you give reason and rhyme for liking or disliking their style, and you fairly judge elements that define a band.
this dude gave no reason for skid row's low placement. he just said no, without acknowledging slave to the grind
Came here to get mad at the slipknot slander, to end up being shocked by the Motörhead slander. Good List.
Baaaa! same, bro, same.
Edit: D'ohmygod, I just now heard what he said about not loving Pantera and had to turn off the video. I don't care if he gave them an A anyway.
You said you don't like the latest Rammstein stuff: I think the latest album, Zeit, sees them with some of their best work yet. If you'll check only one song to reconsider, make it 'Angst': Nice auxiliary percussion in the hook, nice chord progression in the pre-chorus, teasing said chord progression in the 2nd half of the verse while the bass holds down a nice pedal note underneath, and most importantly: Till's never-before-seen intensity around the 2/3 mark of the song - I have never heard Rammstein like this before and I love it. Lyricals content and video are also very good, the theme being the radicalisation of the masses via fear (Angst), while using the phrase "Wer hat Angst vorm schwarzen Mann?", which literally translated means 'Who's afraid of the boogie man?', but is actually an old-timey children's game. The allusion to xenophobia/racism growing from some elements in society fanning the flames of fear and exploiting it - combining this with the children's game innocence is classic Rammstein but with an actual message, not just empty shock value. I applaud it.
And since you, Mike, are very much focussed on musical/compositional elements as opposed to lyical - I am the same btw - you'll also enjoy:
- the beautiful calm and open mixolydian part in the album closer 'Adieu'
- the use of autotune in the track 'Lügen' (= Lies) and Till still again bringing the same insane intensity we heard in Angst before
- how in the song 'Dicke Titten' at one point there is this wonderful clash of the ionian scale brass intro being carefreely played over the phrygian downtuned main riff. So bold-cheeky
As you can see the last four tracks of the album are imo def the strongest and among Rammstein's strongest material period. Zeit could be added to it, but that is mainly because of the lyrics. The song deals with our mortality.
Should you decide to give it another chance, feel free to let us know what you think!
Cheers'
Armee Der Tristan is a master piece.
Disturbed sitting up there among the other A-tier kills me 😂
Disturbed is good af
@@Meccarox I love them too, but cmon lmao
Tbh I haven't heard enough of them, but from the few songs I have heard, I can see why he thinks they are so great. They do have a unique sound for a very copy-pasted genre specially during that era.
They deserve but to be up there but I do also find something a bit funny about it
@@brendandillinger9903 Love Disturbed, but they're by no means trailblazers. Draiman's voice is probably their biggest distinction, but even his adlibs are basically inspired by Johnathan Davis, lol. They're a three-way Static-X/Godsmack/Korn lovechild.
How are you gonna put a7x and killswitch engage in the same tier as five finger death punch?
This dude shits on Slipknot and puts 5FDP in B lmao
7:51 the 'almost' saved you there... Heaven and Hell is one of the best albums ever, hands down
Amen.
That album was literally an Iommi solo project but the label forced them to use the Black Sabbath name for sales, the actual comtrary of what happened to Ozzy whih he made the Blizzard of Ozz band and was fored to use Ozzy Osbourn as the name beause he would sell more.
@@Ms666slayer that's not even close to true lol
@@Ms666slayer You’re thinking of the Seventh Star album, not Heaven and Hell. Heaven and Hell was just the classic Sabbath lineup with Ronnie James Dio on vocals.
@@Ms666slayer you're incorrect but not ENTIRELY wrong. H&H was -- for at least a few seconds -- going to be a side project with Iommi & Dio, but it evolved into Black Sabbath pretty quickly. The true solo project you're thinking of is Seventh Star.
Just happy to see Iron Maiden in the top tier but, and sorry for disagreeing, I loved Senjutsu. When I first heard it I wasn't that taken but like every IM album it eventually gets under the skin and just lands, takes a few listens but been enamoured with it ever since.
for a guy who has been listening to metal for almost 40 years and i listen and like all genres of metal this was the best explanation i heard from metallica :) and i also saw the video talking about the Black Album and for a guy who listens to all music styles from Grind Core, Death or BlackMetal, symphonic etc etc... I never thought that Metallica had sold out nor did I not like them and I loved the Album and I was happy to see Metal reaching people who said bad things about it since kind of musica and who today became metallers..
Thank you for sharing
I think you really hit it on the head with Sabaton. I personally am a big history nut and found them that way. But my god some of their vocals and the delivery of the vocals is just painful, especially early on. The guys voice is pretty cool and unique and the band is really good. They've gotten a lot better over time and are clearly learning, so brownie points for consistently improving and experimenting.
Yeah I’m a Sabaton fan and I love history but my god do Almost all of their songs sound the same, and Joakims voice can be grating at times
on a pure musical songwritting standpoint, Sabaton truly suck. All their songs sound the same. I mean they REAAALLLY sound the same. But the image, the history nerd shit, the hommages, the incredible live show, makes up for it. Its mostly a golden turd in a sense. Gold, but still a turd.
Glad you put Judas preist in the A tier, they are my favorite metal band. Rob Halford is a god.
Bring me another one of my favs of all time
Every era does something different and just sounds great
Surprised they weren’t on the list but what is your opinion on All That Remains and where would you put them?
The instrumentation and musicianship on Dimmu Borgir's albums in early 2000s is superb. I might have a soft-spot for them but placing them in the F-tier just sounds strange unless you're not really fond of blazing drums and riffs.
I think Mike hates extreme metal, in general, with the exception of Opeth. I think Mike would think it's inauthentic as it's "brutal for the sake of being brutal".
In contrast to Mike, I rank Dimmu Borgir as my second favorite metal band. I love their style. The over-the-top dark symphonic Disney villain theme is extremely enjoyable. It takes quite a bit of talent to put together all the parts the way they do. Dimmu Borgir was responsible for getting me into extreme metal and I still think they're miles ahead of everyone else, especially in the black metal scene.
@@Nickwritespoetry I love Dimmu Borgir but they can be cheesy and maybe even repetitive. But if you put Manowar above them in C tier you lost any right to criticize stuff like that.
@@Nickwritespoetry Yeah, that makes sense. It's OK to not enjoy it but then it's more reasonable to not rate it at all if you don't "get it". Anyway, love your description of their sound. "Sympozium" is one of my favorites and it's just hilariously bombastic and over-the-top.
Early Dimmu, back when they actually took their music more seriously, were goddamn slaying.
Enthrone Darkness Triumphant is always a go to for me.
@@StirbMensch Love that album, too.
I’m surprised Children of Bodom isn’t in this tier list
awesome content! lots to agree with, lots to disagree with lol but lots of respect on your opinions, definitely need to do a Pantera video!
I respect your opinion on all the bands, even though I (as a crazy Rammstein fan) would have put them in the A list, and their songs are not the same in my opinion, but I like your honesty. As for the other bands, I almost agree with all the list.
Good job!
Old PWD is some of my favourite stuff and im not nostalgic. I just find it wholesome and memorable. Simple yet great riffs, and awesome lyrics
Yeah they really gave their own twist to the whole metalcore formula, and had an interesting perception on rhythm, they would shift their beats more than most bands of the era. Things went south for them though, I don't buy the whole "they've matured" narrative, it's fine to just want to make some dad metal for a good payday, and the fact that they still make impactful songs here and there (like Wishing Wells) makes it even more obvious.
@@ptr_does_music7042 I agree. Im not even nostalgic, discovered them when Reverence came out, but they are truly unique. The new stuff is some of the most infuriating things ive heard ever.
Bro. I feel you with testament over anthrax. As a fellow metal head. I think we miss the punk/hardcore influences they brought to the "mainstream", more so than any of the other 3. Of the big 4.
I know you didn't make this list, but a bit surprised that bands like Opeth and Jinjer didn't make that cut. Would love to hear where bands like those would end up on your list.
I'm surprised Opeth is left out of the conversation so often when it comes to metal. Plenty of people are familiar with them.
@@jasonashley9853 and Opeth is GOAT. They are GOD tier.
@@fcamiola I agree wholeheartedly. Their prog death metal era is the essence of what it means to be metal.
Yes: Opeth = A. So would Children of Bodom and Chimaera for me.
I'm going to give this comment the same energy that you put into the tier list with ALL DUE RESPECT. This tier list is actually a dumpster fire.
Unsarcastically you're doing great keep up the amazing work.
"Hansi's vocals are very unique, you know it's him every single time."
Mike on multiple power metal songs without Hansi on: Is that Hansi? That sounds like Hansi.
I would love a video on Pantera.
Anthrax are one of my favorite bands of all time. Easily deserving of the Big 4 status. They have broken so much ground that many bands have walked upon. And, c'mon man, Dio era Sabbath?! Good stuff. Love you dawg
I'm a huge metal fan and am curious where you would put them if they were in the tier list.
Thank you for all the work you do. Love this video! But Hollywood Undead, I felt you should of put it in A tier. I mean common seriously. Lol
HU is a fun band. They also have a slew of very serious songs alongside their party songs. They just don't belong on a metal list most of the time due to how much they blend genres.
I like Arch Enemy’s new work the best from their catalog. Clear talent always but more melody this round.
GREAT JOB!
Love your M. Shadows sounding like a cat screaming! 😂😂😂
Smething about Mike putting the bands high for a legacy and then keeping In Flames down bugs me. You know the whole "1school, 3 bands, melodic death metal is born" story?
(In flames, at the gates, dark tranquility, if anyone is wondering)
BMTH in D really hurts because they almost exclusively define what metalcore is gonna sound like for the next year or two every time they release but I agree with most of what you said here
Metalcore sucks tho
they are cringe af and generic
Nah fuck them
@@yeeyee1690 How are they generic when their music changes on each album? They are literally the opposite of something generic and yes, they are basically the influence for every metalcore band after the 2010's.
@@sebastianpacheco9846 Unfortunately.
omfg thank you. Finally someone who thinks the same about Amon Amarth.
After beeing done with all the good bfmv songs, you're kinda done with them, also very accurate.
i would like to see a prog rock/metal tier list, so i know what bands to dive into
Love this video but dimmu borgir has some INCREDIBLE deep cuts, I must say. If you don’t like black metal vocals nothing black metal is gonna ever sound good to ya though and it’s okay.
Finally I can hear his thoughts on Gojira.
Going to see Maiden in a couple days stoked
Love this list ❤
Metallica, SOAD, and Tool! All my faves made it to A tier!
This is genuinely the first time I've heard someone say anything negative about Motorhead.
Also, FFDP over Korn? Damn
Holy shit you even put Slipknot behind FFDP? FFDP is literally just a shittier version of Slipknot
@Ghostface Kurd Killah I'm 100% not a metal fan either but even I know FFDP is not better than Korn, Slipknot or A7X
@Ghostface Kurd Killah He doesn't like extreme metal subgenres.
The opposite of everything you said is true rofl
Do a tier list of most obscured or underrated metal bands
Dude you're probably the only person I know or heard with almost 100 of the same opinion as me, as far as music goes... Fantastic... Some friends at the time came to me with bands like, amon amarth, bring me the horizon etc and I was like 🤷♂️🤦♂️Keep up good work