Yeah no worries we all just wanted to point out the impact Summoning have on an entire subgenre. I dont know what subgenre i love the most , preety much everything has something to enjoy. i could go from satanic warmaster to mesarthim or moonlight sorcery and enjoy equally. Lately am stuck with stormkeep's galdrum and the classic vittra from naglfar.
@@HandtuchAufDerLiegeImUrlaub I would put Caladan Brood, Firienholt and Can Bardd in the Epic Black Metal subgenre. All of which I like a lot. These are all medieval-sounding and therefore quite "folky", and also atmospheric. Then you've got bands like Drengskapur, should they be put in the Atmospheric BM pile? If so, there is a huge difference between them and Eldamar, for instance.
@@TheSerpentKingbtw, its kind of a random message, but you should check Profanum - Flowers of our Black Misantrophy. They are kind of similiar artists. When u check on them (maybe) give me some feedback ;p i ve already listened it like 30 times, just like Limbonic back these days
@@TheSerpentKing damn I have that too. It was actually back in 2001. I found Moon in the Scorpio and was hooked. Mine are in rough shape but still play. I could never part with them, mine. 💀
Exactly what i think. Enslaved is good example. Their first "Yggdrasill" is worth listening. "Vikingligr Veldi" is my favorite among all albums. After the «Eld» it was kind of bad, not in my taste mostly, but still some songs are exception. To the point of «Axioma Ethica Odini» it is all was one big experiment. And after (including) Axioma it was great again, reborn to prog black. However, «E» was last thing i liked, not a fan of new stuff.
I've found your channel like 2 weeks ago as I've been getting into black metal since the past few months and gotta say i focking love it and admire how much value and time you've put into this channel spreading knowledge and sharing laughter with funny videos, which I still havent got tire of watching them over and over. Maybe this comment isn't too blackish but whatever, keep it up bro!
Melodic Black Metal is S Tier 100% Dissection alone carries that torch, Vinterland, Dawn, just so many bands from 93 - 97 that made Melo Black the best genre of Black metal imo. Then you had Abigor, Blut Aus Nord, Gehenna, Keep of Kalessin, Lord Belial moving in with the Atmospheric/Melodic era, which was INCREDIBLE. For me S tiers are, 2nd Wave 88-93 ( Morbid, Bathory, Darkthrone) Melodic Black 93 - 97 (Dissection, Vinterland, Keep of Kalessin, Windir) Atmospheric Black 93 - 97 (Abigor, Burzum, Blut Aus Nord, Ancient Wisdom)
Pale Swordsman album is kind of Gothic Black Metal, no? Next video idea. You recommend us 1 or 2 albums/bands from each of the genres you put in the tier list.
Great list! I would put folk black metal on S because of bands like Moonsorrow and industrial bm on A, I like it, for example bands like Mysticum. And I also think first wave is easy S because of Bathory alone :)
2:34 I know this list is your personal opinion but you only mentioned alcest and put the genre in c cos it was a bit too friendly, thats fair but my bet would be go through Neige's early discog, through early amesoeurs (ruines humaines), Peste Noire and the tristesse hivernale ep and u might change your mind on blackgaze byou know what i mean? but nice vid still as always, love from Australia
I recommend you to listen first and second Bal-Sagoth albums. They classified as symphonic black metal. They are very good. With longs songs which are not boring at all.
@@ahsoka_666 Isn't pagan black metal just blackened folk metal? And why do we considered themes to be genres? If a christian was creating black metal about his religion that sounded exactly like pagan metal, would it be not pagan metal?
Nice video! I was actually kind of surprised that you mentioned Dragged Into Sunlight for Black Crust, because I always considered them to be Black Death Doom Metal (Metal Archives agree in that point). I would still be interested to see your opinion on some Black Sludge bands such as Keeper, Old Witch, Burning Witch and Graves At Sea. But cool that you included it!
Excelente, compañero. Enhorabuena por la seriedad con la que haces tus vídeos. Saludos del Conde Vasili y los miembros de la redacción de BM plus legions desde Madrid, España. Nos hemos suscrito
Ok, there you go my tier list: S: atmospheric black metal; black thrash metal; melodic black metal; viking metal; black/death metal; A: dsbm; symphonic black metal; black doom; raw black metal; B: folk black metal; black'n'roll; gothic black metal; industrial black metal; C: post-black metal; blackened crust; D: blackgaze; progressive black metal; ambient black metal; E(not F): avant-garde black metal; Other genres I don't consider genres but terms for classification of age or lyrics, or something else, it doesn't influences the sound
I hadn't listened to "Oak and Aspen" before, so I listened to it now based on your suggestion here, but I don't think it's that great... It has clean vocals, I don't think clean vocals in black metal sound good. If it wouldn't have the clean vocals, I think I would like it.
lol at NSBM in B-tier I get it, the sound can be super ambiguous and sound like anything. That's why the genre can only be judged by the lyrics and obviously they have to rank in F-tier
Thorns from Norway are considered Industrial Black Metal. I personally would also consider "Rebel Extravaganza" and "Volcano" by Satyricon industrial black metal albums. But the masters of this disguise are Anaal Nathrakh from UK in my humble opinion. They all manage to still sound very organic to me. Whatever you consider to be outside your favorite taste will be defended by a frenetic supporter.
There is another subgenre of black metal worth mentioned in here - blackened hardcore, sometimes also called as dark hardcore. Bands like Deluge, Oathbraker, Supruga, Volan and so on. Dragged Into Sunlight has nothing from crust BTW :) For Blackened Crush you better go for Iskra and Martyrdod
I feel like I really found myself when I first discovered blackgaze. It was like my whole personality and feelings were combined into one with the style. I still listen to it, but as I'm getting older and more conservative, I'm mostly at home with 2nd wave BM.
Pretty damn good list all around! I do admit that I'd probably be tempted to go all the way to an S tier with avant garde black metal, but that's just my oddball sensibilities talking. Like hell, my favorite album of all time is Mr Bungle's Disco Volante, that should say a lot about my tastes in challenging music, hahaha! I'd probably bump industrial black metal up to a C personally, partly because industrial was my big love before I discovered black metal, partly because the really good standout albums (like Dodheimsgard's 666 International, or Aborym's With No Human Intervention) are REALLY fucking good, but the genre as a whole is hit or miss. I don't even know what I'd do with symphonic black metal or progressive black metal, because it all comes down to the quality of the black metal part. Early Limbonic Art albums, Borknagar's The Olden Domain, or Emperor's last couple of albums would score high marks because while the former is very symphony heavy, and the latter are very polished and proggy, they still kick ass and carry the black metal feel. On the flipside, stuff like later Dimmu Borgir or later Enslaved are albums I love on their own merits but come on, they barely qualify as black metal in the least. Most importantly, 2nd wave black metal is absolutely S tier, and the only way I'd change that would be if any other genre were S rank, then I'd say you need an S+ for 2nd wave! LOL
The black metal sub-genres that I mostly listen to are DSBM, second wave, atmospheric, melodic and ambient black metal. My favorite black metal bands are: Aara, Der Weg einer Freiheit, Darkspace, Vardan, Gorgoroth, Burzum, Cold World, Apati and Windir.
I'm not super well versed in Black Metal, have only listened to like less than ten bands, buy really enjoyed watching this video Would love to see you do this for my fav metal subgenre: death metal!
That's a great idea! He could rank all 2 of the Death Metal subgenres ('Progressive Death Metal' and 'Death Metal') and the video wouldn't have to take up very much of anyone's time! It could be made AND viewed really quick! Brilliant!
Farvann are you familiar with Imperium Dekadenz? If so I'm curious how popular they are in your country since they're German. I absolutely love them, but then again I do hold atmo BM as my S tier. Great content as always, thank you!
It's quite fun with the sub-genres because to me for example Darkthrone and Burzum sound nothing like each other but belong to the same sub-genre, and there a lot of the newer bands that sounds basicly the same but is not grouped together, some are atmospheric, some are ambient etc. Call of the Wretched Sea is awesome! Ahab's newest is also very good, but not as good. Cheers!
My band is melodic black death with influence from other genres (namely doom on the first album and thrash on the second album) with raw-ish production. So hard to tell whether Farvann would like it (probably) but as he says, only thing that matters is whether I like it.
My ranking S tier: Raw, DSBM, atmospheric, avant-garde A tier: Second wave, folk, pagan, progressive, epic B tier: Melodic, first wave, thrash, doom, industrial, ambient, viking, post, gothic C tier: Black and roll, crust, blackgaze, war metal F tier: NSBM
haven't been a huge black metal head, but I've always gravitated to band's debut albums because there just more raw. slipknot, slayer, sodom, avenged sevenfold, kreator, all there debuts are just so raw and I love it
Borgne is a brilliant black industrial band. So is Ufferndaith but they/he has only released one EP and that was back in 2020. He plays guitar in some indie rock band now which takes up most his music time.
The taake song u were thinking of is Myr It has folk elements with the banjo but I wouldn’t go as far as to call it folk black metal Still traditional black metal haha And yes Viking metal is a black metal subgenre I’m not sure if these bands count but I would say bands that are Viking metal are bands like Falkenbach, King of Asgard, Helheim, ect Btw if you like melodic black metal you should really check out Evil Summons Evil by Deviser, such a good album Love ya farvann stay safe brother 😎🤘🏻
I think Akerocke falls into the Progressive Black Metal category. For Second Wave Black Metal I also have to name drop Setherial, worth checking out. With a band like Mysticum out there, I am surprised why you would hate on industrial black metal, In the Streams of Inferno is a great album.
There was one industrial Black metal album from 2000 or 2001 that was insanely good called Thorns' self titled. But for the rest never heard other good stuff in that genre.
Thank you for mentioning Thorns. That self-titled album is the perfect example how amazing Industrial Black Metal can actually be. Farvann should rethink his choice, instead of celebrating embarassing Rammstein..
Longtime fan, first time commenter. List made me think of one of the few US-BM bands I like because I've long struggled to give it a subgenre label, mixing raw, thrash, sometimes even hints of melodic and lyrical themes of DSBM here and there. Would love your opinion on the band Saidan if by some satanic boon you read this, especially the songs I am the Witch, She's Buried Under the Cherry Blossoms, Girl Hell 1999, or Shrine of the Black Sword.
Huh...i figured youd be a fan of raw black metal, weird man still F tier is pretty harsh but hey at least you put industrial black metal as one of your favorites.
Dude, there are only TWO Black Metal subgenres: Trve Kvlt and Poser Crap. Having said that, congrats for your excelent taste. Blackgaze is the Trvest Shit.
S: Black n Roll, Black Thrash Metal, Melodic Black Metal, Viking Metal, Ambient Black Metal, Raw Black Metal, Black/Death Metal A: Pagan Black Metal, Black Doom, First Wave Black Metal, Second Wave Black Metal, B: Symphonic Black Metal, Folk Black Metal, NSBM, Progressive Black Metal, War Black Metal, Gothic Black Metal, Epic Black Metal C: Blackgaze, Atmospheric Black Metal, DSBM, F: Avant-Garde Black Metal, Post Black Metal, Blacked Crust, Industrial Black Metal
Symphonic Black Metal: C Folk/Black Metal: A NSBM: C (Just want to point out that it is good musically. Just the political lyrics itself are not my cup of tea.) Pagan Black Metal: B Blackgaze: B- Atmospheric Black Metal: A+ Black/Thrash Metal: B Progressive Black Metal: B- DSBM: B-? Avant-Garde Black Metal: C- (Way too much experimental stuff isn't my thing.) Melodic Black Metal: A Post-Black Metal: B- Viking Metal: B+ Blackened Crust: B- Black/Doom Metal: A- First Wave Black Metal: B+ Second Wave Black Metal: S Ambient Black Metal: A+ Raw Black Metal: A- War Black Metal: B Black/Death Metal: B+ Gothic Black Metal: B-? Epic Black Metal: A Industrial Black Metal: B What's not on the list in that video that I'm gonna rank. Christian Black (a.k.a. Unblack) Metal: C (Religious me back then would've ranked that S tier. LOL.) RABM: C
Hello! I'm in trouble, because I've loved the black metal music and the atmosphere since I was a teenager, but I'm in trouble with the lyrics. I am neither a Satanist (not even a LaVey type) nor a racist, in fact I would be a helpful, empathetic, calm personality (e.g. I never drink alcohol). Obviously, these topics do not apply to all black metal bands, but they are in the majority. For example, a Carpathian Forest or Gorgoroth is not really compatible with my world, but I still love it. How about it? :)
For "gothic black metal" id include things like kekt arahk, though i usually call it "romantic" black metal. I know im biased but i cant get enough of kekt arahk
"I consider the second wave to be between the first and the the third..."
Farvann became Smartvann ^^
I would never expect you to be such a fan of industrial black metal
😂😂 Hahaha.... you fell for it!! You didn't see the video. You skipped to the end! But it shows you kind of know him. Cool.
@@mcalvrd6110 its irony
Industrial black metal is also my favorite genre, we have similar tastes!
😂
shuuuuuuree it's every one favourite here....
Aborym..
Mysticum, Thorns, Spektr, Diabolicum, Control Human Delete.
😂😂Hahaha.... you fell !!! You skipped to the end!
Atmospheric Black Metal deserves "S". Summoning, Evilfeast, Gallowbraid...Summoning alone already takes the genre to the "S" rank
agree 100%
I very much agree, but it is all personal opinion, personally I’m not a huge fan of raw black metal, but Farvann is
Yeah no worries we all just wanted to point out the impact Summoning have on an entire subgenre. I dont know what subgenre i love the most , preety much everything has something to enjoy. i could go from satanic warmaster to mesarthim or moonlight sorcery and enjoy equally. Lately am stuck with stormkeep's galdrum and the classic vittra from naglfar.
Caladan Brood
@@HandtuchAufDerLiegeImUrlaub I would put Caladan Brood, Firienholt and Can Bardd in the Epic Black Metal subgenre. All of which I like a lot. These are all medieval-sounding and therefore quite "folky", and also atmospheric.
Then you've got bands like Drengskapur, should they be put in the Atmospheric BM pile? If so, there is a huge difference between them and Eldamar, for instance.
Don't worry, this wasn't a lazy video. After all, you created the tier list yourself.^^
Final tierlist at: 11:57.
WHAT?! INDUSTRIAL BLACK METAL?
goodbye.
@@Farvann OF COURSE I AM!!!
I've just started crying at 11:21 lol. This guy never disappoints
progressive black metal is black metal but with band members with music theory haha
nailed it
If NSBM is a sub-genre, then White / Christian Black Metal is also.
And I just discovered there is Muslim Black Metal
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Brother we don't talk about Christian metal. Christian Black Metal is like glam metal. Both are the metal genres retarded cousin.
That’s Unblack Metal, but I agree with you.
Along with RABM, Democratic Black Metal and Ancap Black Metal
What about Antifa Black Metal? And yes, there is 😅 heared a Lot of Songs about killing Nazis and stuff, like "we are more hatefull then them" 😂
Limbonic Art is the epitome of symphonic Black Metal and it's freaking awesome
I still have my 4 disc set I had to special order from a CD store 20yrs ago, lol. Great band 🤘
@@dsbm87 then you have an absolute treasure in your hands. Last time I looked it up Moon in the scorpio CD was offered for over thousand $
@@TheSerpentKingi got a shirt from the "In Abhorrence Dementia" and a patch from the "Moon in a Scorpio". Absolutely love them :)
@@TheSerpentKingbtw, its kind of a random message, but you should check Profanum - Flowers of our Black Misantrophy. They are kind of similiar artists. When u check on them (maybe) give me some feedback ;p i ve already listened it like 30 times, just like Limbonic back these days
@@TheSerpentKing damn I have that too. It was actually back in 2001. I found Moon in the Scorpio and was hooked. Mine are in rough shape but still play. I could never part with them, mine. 💀
Progressive black metal would be something like enslaved i think. Enslaved is fucking awesome
Enslaved, Orm, Urbain
Exactly
Yeah. I hate Enslaved for that garbage they call black metal these days. :(
@@Mp57navyto be fair, Enslaved haven't refered to themselves as black metal for like 20 years
Exactly what i think. Enslaved is good example.
Their first "Yggdrasill" is worth listening. "Vikingligr Veldi" is my favorite among all albums.
After the «Eld» it was kind of bad, not in my taste mostly, but still some songs are exception. To the point of «Axioma Ethica Odini» it is all was one big experiment. And after (including) Axioma it was great again, reborn to prog black. However, «E» was last thing i liked, not a fan of new stuff.
Paysage d'Hiver could be mentioned as atmospheric black metal
Or Ambient Black Metal.
Or our favorit Industrial Black Metal
I've found your channel like 2 weeks ago as I've been getting into black metal since the past few months and gotta say i focking love it and admire how much value and time you've put into this channel spreading knowledge and sharing laughter with funny videos, which I still havent got tire of watching them over and over. Maybe this comment isn't too blackish but whatever, keep it up bro!
Melodic Black Metal is S Tier 100% Dissection alone carries that torch, Vinterland, Dawn, just so many bands from 93 - 97 that made Melo Black the best genre of Black metal imo. Then you had Abigor, Blut Aus Nord, Gehenna, Keep of Kalessin, Lord Belial moving in with the Atmospheric/Melodic era, which was INCREDIBLE.
For me S tiers are, 2nd Wave 88-93 ( Morbid, Bathory, Darkthrone)
Melodic Black 93 - 97 (Dissection, Vinterland, Keep of Kalessin, Windir)
Atmospheric Black 93 - 97 (Abigor, Burzum, Blut Aus Nord, Ancient Wisdom)
90% of the BM that I listen to are Atmo & DSBM.
Good vid as always 🏆
Same
@@Damaged_Justice ABM, DSBM and Kanade enjoyer what a sight.
@@txr_devil lol
Pale Swordsman album is kind of Gothic Black Metal, no?
Next video idea. You recommend us 1 or 2 albums/bands from each of the genres you put in the tier list.
Should have put NSBM into extra SS tier lol
Also you forgot RABM, but propably same as other lyrical based definitons
Nice video nontheless!
Great list! I would put folk black metal on S because of bands like Moonsorrow and industrial bm on A, I like it, for example bands like Mysticum. And I also think first wave is easy S because of Bathory alone :)
Falkenbach is definitely worth mentioning
2:34 I know this list is your personal opinion but you only mentioned alcest and put the genre in c cos it was a bit too friendly, thats fair but my bet would be go through Neige's early discog, through early amesoeurs (ruines humaines), Peste Noire and the tristesse hivernale ep and u might change your mind on blackgaze byou know what i mean? but nice vid still as always, love from Australia
i got some good recommendations if u want to rehear blackgaze a bit
I recommend you to listen first and second Bal-Sagoth albums. They classified as symphonic black metal. They are very good. With longs songs which are not boring at all.
Can't stress enough how much I love Bal-Sagoth. Straight up wizard metal
what do you think about annal nathrakh ?
Hi farvann
What about cosmic black metal? Do you like it?
>Make his own list of subgenres
>Adds NSBM, despite knowing it's not a subgenre
Folk: moonsorrow
Moonsorrow could fit in the pagan black metal as well (Amazing band by the way)
@@ahsoka_666 Isn't pagan black metal just blackened folk metal? And why do we considered themes to be genres? If a christian was creating black metal about his religion that sounded exactly like pagan metal, would it be not pagan metal?
Early ulver?
Nice video! I was actually kind of surprised that you mentioned Dragged Into Sunlight for Black Crust, because I always considered them to be Black Death Doom Metal (Metal Archives agree in that point). I would still be interested to see your opinion on some Black Sludge bands such as Keeper, Old Witch, Burning Witch and Graves At Sea. But cool that you included it!
I fucking love sludge and idk how I've never heard of black sludge (blackened sludge?)
Bro, epic black metal is SUMMONING!
Excelente, compañero. Enhorabuena por la seriedad con la que haces tus vídeos. Saludos del Conde Vasili y los miembros de la redacción de BM plus legions desde Madrid, España. Nos hemos suscrito
Ok, there you go my tier list:
S: atmospheric black metal; black thrash metal; melodic black metal; viking metal; black/death metal;
A: dsbm; symphonic black metal; black doom; raw black metal;
B: folk black metal; black'n'roll; gothic black metal; industrial black metal;
C: post-black metal; blackened crust;
D: blackgaze; progressive black metal; ambient black metal;
E(not F): avant-garde black metal;
Other genres I don't consider genres but terms for classification of age or lyrics, or something else, it doesn't influences the sound
Nothing is ever close to the sound of "Gallowbraid - Ashen Eidolon", espcially the middle part "Oak and Aspen". 💕
the first black metal album i got on vinyl
Real Masterpiece. Caladan Brood also very good.
I hadn't listened to "Oak and Aspen" before, so I listened to it now based on your suggestion here, but I don't think it's that great... It has clean vocals, I don't think clean vocals in black metal sound good. If it wouldn't have the clean vocals, I think I would like it.
give the full album a try, it has fantastic screams too@@Tystros
To this day, I'm angry that Gallowbraid and Caladan Brood have not made any more music. Both of those albums are magnificent.
Symphonic black is dimmu borgir, cradle of flirth and other famous black metal bands with Keyboard influences.
@@Farvann passt.
@@Farvann I love Dimmu guess I'm in a minority haha
Skip to the ending newcomers, the results are astonishing.
lol at NSBM in B-tier
I get it, the sound can be super ambiguous and sound like anything. That's why the genre can only be judged by the lyrics and obviously they have to rank in F-tier
Then you have to rank everything by the lyrics and 80% of it goes in F tier.
@@Squant exactly
Agalloch, in my opinion, fits the definition of black metal folk. By the way, what song is playing at the end?
@@Farvann thanks
Agalloch, is great. Pillorian too.
Thorns from Norway are considered Industrial Black Metal. I personally would also consider "Rebel Extravaganza" and "Volcano" by Satyricon industrial black metal albums. But the masters of this disguise are Anaal Nathrakh from UK in my humble opinion. They all manage to still sound very organic to me.
Whatever you consider to be outside your favorite taste will be defended by a frenetic supporter.
Under the sign of "progressive black metal" I would place "Ne Obliviscaris"...
What's the background song? It's absolutely awesome.
EDIT: realized it was your own band all along. Super good stuff.
This list is pretty accurate actually by the way keep up the good work Farvann Love from Canada 🇨🇦💀🔥⛪️🔥
Saw it all but what you did at the end was cool
3:50 enslaved...
ah, they’re super great. love them a lot.
There is another subgenre of black metal worth mentioned in here - blackened hardcore, sometimes also called as dark hardcore. Bands like Deluge, Oathbraker, Supruga, Volan and so on.
Dragged Into Sunlight has nothing from crust BTW :) For Blackened Crush you better go for Iskra and Martyrdod
Hi Farvann! I recommend this Romanian black metal band called Ordinul Negru. They are pretty underrated.
I feel like I really found myself when I first discovered blackgaze. It was like my whole personality and feelings were combined into one with the style. I still listen to it, but as I'm getting older and more conservative, I'm mostly at home with 2nd wave BM.
conservative boo
Can someone recommend some pagan black metal thanks
Cruachan, Moonsorrow, Falkenbach, Winterfylleth.
@@Zagradotryad thanks 🤘🤘
Pretty damn good list all around! I do admit that I'd probably be tempted to go all the way to an S tier with avant garde black metal, but that's just my oddball sensibilities talking. Like hell, my favorite album of all time is Mr Bungle's Disco Volante, that should say a lot about my tastes in challenging music, hahaha!
I'd probably bump industrial black metal up to a C personally, partly because industrial was my big love before I discovered black metal, partly because the really good standout albums (like Dodheimsgard's 666 International, or Aborym's With No Human Intervention) are REALLY fucking good, but the genre as a whole is hit or miss.
I don't even know what I'd do with symphonic black metal or progressive black metal, because it all comes down to the quality of the black metal part. Early Limbonic Art albums, Borknagar's The Olden Domain, or Emperor's last couple of albums would score high marks because while the former is very symphony heavy, and the latter are very polished and proggy, they still kick ass and carry the black metal feel. On the flipside, stuff like later Dimmu Borgir or later Enslaved are albums I love on their own merits but come on, they barely qualify as black metal in the least.
Most importantly, 2nd wave black metal is absolutely S tier, and the only way I'd change that would be if any other genre were S rank, then I'd say you need an S+ for 2nd wave! LOL
You are fucking wonderful! That was very enjoyable. 🤘🏽
The black metal sub-genres that I mostly listen to are DSBM, second wave, atmospheric, melodic and ambient black metal. My favorite black metal bands are: Aara, Der Weg einer Freiheit, Darkspace, Vardan, Gorgoroth, Burzum, Cold World, Apati and Windir.
And yet Windir is another sub genre - Sognametal.
I don't like depressive, ambient, or atmospheric black metal all that much, but there are some good bands.
Aara is great btw
I'm not super well versed in Black Metal, have only listened to like less than ten bands, buy really enjoyed watching this video
Would love to see you do this for my fav metal subgenre: death metal!
That's a great idea!
He could rank all 2 of the Death Metal subgenres ('Progressive Death Metal' and 'Death Metal') and the video wouldn't have to take up very much of anyone's time!
It could be made AND viewed really quick!
Brilliant!
To a lot of people, second wave black metal *is* black metal. Easiest S-tier there's ever been
Im just getting into darkthrone, how fo people put up with neo nazi stuff in things like nsbm????
Farvann are you familiar with Imperium Dekadenz? If so I'm curious how popular they are in your country since they're German. I absolutely love them, but then again I do hold atmo BM as my S tier. Great content as always, thank you!
Where is Space / Cosmic Black Metal?
Darkspace 3.11
Oh, never heard. I'm new to BM, and then I love HAWKWIND.... who would be in Cosmic/Space Black Metal ? Bands?
Is it not atmo black?
@@mcalvrd6110 try Darkspace, Mesarthim, Mare Cognitum,
@@thebradester7828 Yes, but no
love melodic black metal, bands like vinterland and stormkeep are incredible
also Rites to Sedition, absolutely insane riffs
Melechesh too
Add bands like Véhémence, Passéisme, Darkenhöld, Sühnopfer, Aorlhac to the list... One of my favorite subgenres.
véhémence is one of my favorite bands right now, i cant get enough of their sound
It's quite fun with the sub-genres because to me for example Darkthrone and Burzum sound nothing like each other but belong to the same sub-genre, and there a lot of the newer bands that sounds basicly the same but is not grouped together, some are atmospheric, some are ambient etc.
Call of the Wretched Sea is awesome! Ahab's newest is also very good, but not as good. Cheers!
My band is melodic black death with influence from other genres (namely doom on the first album and thrash on the second album) with raw-ish production.
So hard to tell whether Farvann would like it (probably) but as he says, only thing that matters is whether I like it.
What he is saying: Blackgaze
What youtube subtitles say: *Black gays*
My ranking
S tier: Raw, DSBM, atmospheric, avant-garde
A tier: Second wave, folk, pagan, progressive, epic
B tier: Melodic, first wave, thrash, doom, industrial, ambient, viking, post, gothic
C tier: Black and roll, crust, blackgaze, war metal
F tier: NSBM
haven't been a huge black metal head, but I've always gravitated to band's debut albums because there just more raw. slipknot, slayer, sodom, avenged sevenfold, kreator, all there debuts are just so raw and I love it
Borgne is a brilliant black industrial band.
So is Ufferndaith but they/he has only released one EP and that was back in 2020. He plays guitar in some indie rock band now which takes up most his music time.
Have you ever listened to Psyclon Nine? Not their industrial era, but metal albums. We the fallen, Order of the shadow or Icon of the adversary?
There is a Folk BM band aus Deutschland called “Riger”. I recommend the song “Othala”.
Prog. Black Metal is maybe Kriegsmaschine from Poland.
Ahh I like mgla too
prog black metal some people say it's the later Enslaved stuff, like their albums after 2005 or somewhere around more like 2010 Enslaved and onwards.
The taake song u were thinking of is Myr
It has folk elements with the banjo but I wouldn’t go as far as to call it folk black metal
Still traditional black metal haha
And yes Viking metal is a black metal subgenre I’m not sure if these bands count but I would say bands that are Viking metal are bands like Falkenbach, King of Asgard, Helheim, ect
Btw if you like melodic black metal you should really check out Evil Summons Evil by Deviser, such a good album
Love ya farvann stay safe brother 😎🤘🏻
I think Akerocke falls into the Progressive Black Metal category. For Second Wave Black Metal I also have to name drop Setherial, worth checking out. With a band like Mysticum out there, I am surprised why you would hate on industrial black metal, In the Streams of Inferno is a great album.
There was one industrial Black metal album from 2000 or 2001 that was insanely good called Thorns' self titled. But for the rest never heard other good stuff in that genre.
Did you see the whole video?
@@mcalvrd6110 yeah, industrial bm is F tier.
Thank you for mentioning Thorns. That self-titled album is the perfect example how amazing Industrial Black Metal can actually be. Farvann should rethink his choice, instead of celebrating embarassing Rammstein..
new farvann and oh what a great video
Longtime fan, first time commenter. List made me think of one of the few US-BM bands I like because I've long struggled to give it a subgenre label, mixing raw, thrash, sometimes even hints of melodic and lyrical themes of DSBM here and there. Would love your opinion on the band Saidan if by some satanic boon you read this, especially the songs I am the Witch, She's Buried Under the Cherry Blossoms, Girl Hell 1999, or Shrine of the Black Sword.
Meloblack is pretty nice, Sacramentum's second album and Wintersun's first album are my go to.
Agalloch is top tier in meloblack for me.
What is the song in the back ground???
Huh...i figured youd be a fan of raw black metal, weird man still F tier is pretty harsh but hey at least you put industrial black metal as one of your favorites.
4:10 Krallice is a great example of prog black metal especially the Years Past Matter album.
Krallice is more Avant-Garde I think
@@manfredmar Maybe, but it's definitely prog too.
Meloblack genre is my most favorite one, mostly cuz of Stormruler s Sacred Rites and Black Magick
Dude, there are only TWO Black Metal subgenres: Trve Kvlt and Poser Crap. Having said that, congrats for your excelent taste. Blackgaze is the Trvest Shit.
S: Black n Roll, Black Thrash Metal, Melodic Black Metal, Viking Metal, Ambient Black Metal, Raw Black Metal, Black/Death Metal
A: Pagan Black Metal, Black Doom, First Wave Black Metal, Second Wave Black Metal,
B: Symphonic Black Metal, Folk Black Metal, NSBM, Progressive Black Metal, War Black Metal, Gothic Black Metal, Epic Black Metal
C: Blackgaze, Atmospheric Black Metal, DSBM,
F: Avant-Garde Black Metal, Post Black Metal, Blacked Crust, Industrial Black Metal
I have very similar taste thx for vid, never heard of some of this genres ;D
Symphonic Black Metal: C
Folk/Black Metal: A
NSBM: C (Just want to point out that it is good musically. Just the political lyrics itself are not my cup of tea.)
Pagan Black Metal: B
Blackgaze: B-
Atmospheric Black Metal: A+
Black/Thrash Metal: B
Progressive Black Metal: B-
DSBM: B-?
Avant-Garde Black Metal: C- (Way too much experimental stuff isn't my thing.)
Melodic Black Metal: A
Post-Black Metal: B-
Viking Metal: B+
Blackened Crust: B-
Black/Doom Metal: A-
First Wave Black Metal: B+
Second Wave Black Metal: S
Ambient Black Metal: A+
Raw Black Metal: A-
War Black Metal: B
Black/Death Metal: B+
Gothic Black Metal: B-?
Epic Black Metal: A
Industrial Black Metal: B
What's not on the list in that video that I'm gonna rank.
Christian Black (a.k.a. Unblack) Metal: C (Religious me back then would've ranked that S tier. LOL.)
RABM: C
NSBM maybe have great bands but because of the political aspect it is for me a no go. I dont want to support this type of thinking!
Love NSBM🤘🖤🔥
300 IQ move at the end🧠👨🏫🐼🦡🦝🤣
I think it worked, too. 😀
Gothic Black Metal would be something like Triarchy of the Lost Lovers by Rotting Christ or A Dead Poem by the same band
What is the song playing around 9:00? Danke im Voraus Farvann!
"can be absolutely unlistenable, I'll give it an A"
I got confused at 11:28 ;-( Great video! But I skipped some parts....
Please do more subgenre tier lists
Pagan black metal is S-tier solely for Aaskereia. Other than that, I mostly agree.
RABM is so despised it didn't even get mentioned in the tier list
Hello!
I'm in trouble, because I've loved the black metal music and the atmosphere since I was a teenager, but I'm in trouble with the lyrics.
I am neither a Satanist (not even a LaVey type) nor a racist, in fact I would be a helpful, empathetic, calm personality (e.g. I never drink alcohol). Obviously, these topics do not apply to all black metal bands, but they are in the majority. For example, a Carpathian Forest or Gorgoroth is not really compatible with my world, but I still love it. How about it? :)
prog bm would be something like Shining, Enslaved, and non opus dei i think.
For "gothic black metal" id include things like kekt arahk, though i usually call it "romantic" black metal. I know im biased but i cant get enough of kekt arahk
As a second/third wave guy from the 90s, this pleases me.
Have you listened to Grabgesang - Of Medieval Graveyard Frost? It’s very good sounds like darkthrone with a bit of immortal I think.
which is the first song from background?
I always consider the number 2 to be between the number 1 and the number 3.
What's the song running behind called?
Can someone plls tell me whats playing in the background? Its awesome
@@Farvann I didnt know ur music is that good, i usually dont even listen to black metal, thanks
Can you guys give me some examples of melodic black metal bands i could listen to? That would be awesome thanks!
never disagreed more on a tier list.
Haha, great ending.
Viking Metal. First 3 Enslaved albums. Black Doom, there is even a German band, one of my favorites. Praise the Plague.
What's that symphonic black metal band that you mentioned besides Anorexia Nervosa?
Where would you rate Hellenic Black Metal? I know that comprises only a handful of bands but that is its own sound
Like Rotting Christ?
Yeah, Rotting Christ, Varathron, Necromantia, Nergal, etc@@nicola6323
Try the one man band Lord Agheros
Farvann, can you make the list of best bands from A and B for pioneers of BM ?
Ist die Hintergrundmucke von Durbatuluk?
Wie heißt der Song?@@Farvann
well done farvann 😊
What about blackened sludge ?
Progressive BM is like Enslaved, Emperor (The 4th album), the Ihsahn solo career, Solefald, Khonsu or Morgul.