WORST Fans of Rock and Metal Tier List
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2022
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Today we examine which fanbases are the most toxic and the least toxic. We put em on a tier list. It's a thing I guess. UA-cam kinda sucks.
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Neil Peart is the only reason I listen to RUSH love those drums
Question, Mike, if you put Judas Priest in this tier list where would they land? S tier? (Maiden Fan speaking btw)
"Generically American Metal" translated into its natural tongue is, "Gimme Fuel, Gimme Fire, Gimme That Which I Desire, Oooo."
I irl lol'd at this comment
GIMMIE FOO GIMMIE FAI GIMMIE DABAJABAZAI OOOOO
translated into Black Metal, "Gimme Fuel, Gimme Fire, Gimme That Witch I Desire, Oooo."
Yeah the ones that tell you Lars writes the music 🙈
I think you meant to say "My lifestyle determines my deathstyle"
As a Pink Floyd fan, I begrudgingly agree with your description of the worst of us. Unjustifiably elitist indeed.
Emphasizing **the worst** of you. A bunch of y'all are super chill 😎
@@jamcentral5258 what how dare you, don't you know Comfortably Numb is the best solo of all time, it has big bends
@@jamcentral5258 Pink Floyd elitist here. And yes, as such I do think people must be mentally ill if they don't se that PF is way better than anything else. That is just how the world work. Nothing noone can do about it. :D
Pink Floyd is 1 of my favorite bands of all time, the only thing that bothers me are the people who praise Syd Barrett, every album he's on sucks & he's super overrated, If u like Syd that's cool, I just can't stand the PF fans that smoke his pole & act like he's a genius!
PF at it's heart is David Gilmour, Roger Waters, Richard Wright & Nick Mason🤘
@Budwig van Leethoven agreed, kinda funny considering Syd is only credited on the 1st 2 albums, which imo are terrible!
"Atom Heart Mother" "Meddle" & "Obscured by Clouds" are decent albums, but everything from "Darkside of the Moon" to their last album "Endless River" are all great albums imo!
Sad what happened to Syd, but I'm not a fan, respectfully!
Tool fans online: F tier
Tool fans IRL: high B/low A tier
Truth
I've noticed that most TOOL fans age 30 and younger are all chill af. I am biased because I am that age, but I think people in their twenties when Lateralus came out are the most toxic IMO.
Tool fans ruined Tool for me
Honestly, the thing that's probably the most annoying about them/us, is that they aren't funny at all
They constantly boo opening acts, F tier.
Being a member of Dream Theater Fandom is essentially equal to being one of their biggest critics
Facts
Think that comes from DT fans having, on average, have a more developed pallet for music.
@@MidnightAvalon you legit cannot have any less self awareness
@@acoolduckinabanana7274 that's cool friend, don't think so myself but would love to hear why you think so.
@@MidnightAvalon kinda overreacted looking back at it ngl but I was referring to the stereotypical dream theater fan thinking they listen to “smarter music”, I kinda did come off like a bit of a jackass though ngl my bad
Megadeth fan in every Megadeth music video comment section -
"Thank you James and Lars for kicking Dave out, nOW wE hAvE gREtEst mEtAl bAnD iN thIS uNivErSe 🤪"
And remember. He wrote all of Kill em all. Ride the lightning and master of puppets.
The Megadeth fandom is definitely F
The diehard fans are super funny
Megadeth still fucking rocks 🤘
@Eliza Page 1. Dude. Chill. Who cares.
2. Predictable
3. L + ratio + no dad + no bitches + mid + 🤡
Seriously tho, everyone heard that too many times. Even if it's true. Both bands have their own bad stories and issues, for some reason no one ever brings up Megadeth's. It is genuinely funny seeing people not taking a joke and carrying on to rant 24/7 on the Internet. You didn't have to say that man cmon
@Eliza Page well you got your reaction hehe. I'm pretty sure Oblivion was joking tho, how can you make not fun of your type. And yeah, I mean I'm not gonna report your comments or delete them so no one's really stopping you from commenting, unless you think I'm harassing you. And I'm not man I don't take this stuff too seriously now I've seen too many fans like that lmao. Peace ✌️
I always loved BOTH bands pretty equally😂
Tool fans deserve there own gigachad tier. They transcend all of us with there knowledge of the Fibonacci sequence. Every time the listen to lateralus they just go berserk and they cannot be stopped. Beware if you ever call there songs less than an experience. We mere mortals are nowhere near capable of handling the knowledge they possess.
Can’t wait for the new podcast btw
The Pinocchio Code
@@V.F.D.DaleSalvador beware of insulting anything that has to with tool as well or you will undoubtedly feel there wrath
@@Midna__ You Fool, I am also a Tool Fan. I have EVERY CD (except Salival don't hurt me please)
@@V.F.D.DaleSalvador same xD
Oh how the tables have indeed turned. Don’t hurt me please. I swear the pieces do fit. @@V.F.D.DaleSalvador
thank you for doing us foo fighter fans justice
We are the most inoffensive and laid back fan base out there. We don’t get butthurt when someone criticizes us……unlike nirvana fans.
@@timwallisky6530 God I hate them. Always act like Kurt Cobain was above God or something
Foo fighters fans we love you :D
Spread positivity
@@timwallisky6530 im a nirvana fan and honestly there are so many assholes who ruin it for everyone else and make the whole fandom look like shit. I promise you wrre not all like that
@@timwallisky6530 And unlike most music videos from that time period that has a lot of "Born In The Wrong Generation" comments from what I have seen, most comments on Foo Fighters music videos are just chill
As a Tool fan, I fully expected F tier… 😂
Yeah I expected him to be on our ass and put us at the bottom 😂
Same
Yep 😂
So as one of those Maiden fans that does love the later stuff as well, to put it simply I'm very self aware on how repetitive some of their post reunion stuff is. You can basically predict the entire song structure after hearing the first minute and they are very long comparatively. But I simply like the long instrumental sections as repetitive as they are. They just have a sound to them that fits my personal music taste near perfectly so I don't tend to get bored of them.
Literally embodying my description of IM fans
For the same reason I dislike the new stuff.
I understand what people could like about it, I just ain’t feelin it no more.
But this has happened to every band I’ve liked so far maybe except for Paramore so That’s probly on me
I'm just happy Dickinson is back in the group still (dark times in the 90s without him in the band). One of the few bands I still regularly buy new releases from. The classic stuff is still classic. But I enjoy hearing new Iron Maiden and have a lot of tracks I go back to on the newer albums in addition to the old. I'm also a sucker for those guitar melodies and leads. Not for everyone though. Biased because this was my first real metal band I got into (via Piece of Mind and Live After Death)
@@Bedrockbrendan Same with me. It's a lot of the instrumentality that I just love about the newer stuff. it's like they took the philosophy of writing they had with songs like the duelist on powerslave and made it their entire style. My only complaint is the obsession with the idea of having the majority of an album be long epics and if it's a miss (lost in a lost world for example) it's a massive drag for all of the 6-10 minute runtime. That song specifically has a fantastic outro but the rest is mostly boring
I understand that i like a band called apati a Swedish band that is very repetitive in instrumentals but it adds to the droning feeling of their songs.
Sorry Mike but as a Pink Floyd fan i'm just better than you.
Sorry, but as an Animals as Leaders fan, I’ve untangled the Gordian naught of understanding the true meaning of music.
I’m sorry but as a megadeth fan
I just don’t give a fuck
As a Nirvana fan, I totally agree with you about the toxic fans. I never understood why they think Kurt was a musical genius. I like a lot of Nirvana's catalog, but the music is pretty basic and that's fine
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I dont get how a grown man can be a nirvana fan
There's definitely people who treat Kurt Cobain "Journals" as their bible of what's cool and uncool.
I’m forever grateful for nirvana because they bridged my gap from post 2000’s music into 1990’s and earlier as a 14 year old, but they’re literally not even in the top 3 grunge bands in my opinion
@@qwerty.4450 What would you rank higher? I'm not that into Grunge, so I only know the usual four (with Alice In Chains being far ahead on the top, followed by Soundgarden)
It also helps Foo Fighters fans is that Dave Grohl is one of the coolest dudes to ever exist and it influences the coolness of the fanbase
Surprised he didn't mention that. Dave is known for being very down to earth.
Get the poke or else.
Honestly as a 16 year old Nirvana fan, im sick and tired of the fandom making us look like shit and acting like Kurt did no wrong and was a fucking saint or some bs. Its so tiring. Especially when not all of us are like this. Ugh. Oh and the fact that kurt cobain literally hated elitists is so pathetically ironic its insane.
I’m honestly tired of people only focusing on Kurt. People should focus on the music for crying out loud.
I find it hilarious that you chose the Philadelphia Eagles logo, considering they have a reputation for having one of the most toxic NFL fanbases lol
LMFAO I didn't even consider that but you are absolutely correct (I'm a Phili fan btw)
Go Eagles!!!!
Honestly, I have interacted with every fan base in the NFL and I gotta say The Kansas City Chiefs fan base takes the number 1 spot. There is not a more arrogant, disrespectful and loud fan base out there. I think it's too bad because they are a really good team, fan base is horrible
@@davyboy9397 lol Cincinnati Bengals fans are easily everything you just mentioned. To the point where they will cheer opposing team player injuries. Just absolutely disgusting behavior.
@@jasonashley9853 For sure , there are bad fan bases for every team, and that is disgusting to do that. Chiefs take the cake tho. The most self conceited fan base period. They talked shite even when they lost to the Colts. They have absolutely zero introspection. They are incapable of being humble, incapable....
"This is not real metal" - Black Metal fan
*Listens to some of the shittest metal you’ll ever hear*
@@mylerwilson4879 Not all of BM is shit but I agree they have one of the worst elitism and gatekeeping I have seen.
@@J.PC.Designs But comparing it to metalcore and deathcore is comparing apples to oranges as they’re very different for a reason, and not liked for different reasons
@@futurebreedmachine9302 haha love the messuggah reference in your name 😃.... I go to a good amount of BM shows. Maybe 25% are elitist weirdos, the rest are very chill, intelligent, 9 to 5 men & women...
@@J.PC.Designs Depends... I've got a few metalcore bands I listen to killswitch engage, unearth, all that remains, etc....
But it doesnt hit the spot for me like belphegor, dead congregation, dark funeral, etc etc
Mike’s Iron Maiden argument is true. I got annihilated in a forum when I said the new song “Stratego” sounded like “Powerslave.”
A slowed down version of Powerslave
I mean I think the song is a bit meh but I don't see the powerslve similarity?
@@puffin7285 its the powercords used in the intro of stratego and interlude in powerslave. I do love stratego though
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I'm a Nirvana fan and yes a lot of us are very toxic. I feel sorry for the people that go out with a Nirvana t shirt (because they just like how it looks ) and fans coming up to them and being "like what did Kurt like to eat for breakfast"
I prefer the other 3 Seattle ones but I'm okay with those who were actually around the time of the 90s since I'm a xennial. The ones who have them as a gateway band that mostly listen to top 40 irritate me. I actually find their rarities and B sides to be their better songs like Sappy.
Oh, and Dave Grohl is an awesome dude and the best member in the band musically.
@@whenfatkillsfat803 oh yh Dave was absolutely the most musically talented...but I also love Kurt and Krist. And yeah they're not so popular b side stuff is some of their best work. Personally I have listened to pretty much everything they have done that I can find on UA-cam including the fecal matter demos.
Some of the Nirvana fans think they have to 'think like Kurt', as in being totally disrespectful of certain other bands and genres (check out the comment sections on any glam or 80s metal documentary).
AiC all the way imho
@@YBM2007 yh literally. Like don't get me wrong a lot of the time I agree with Kurt..but at times I'm like dude...why.
@@whenfatkillsfat803 Depends on what you mean musically.Playing an instrument Grohl was better imo.As far as melody writing,key changes and modulation,Kurt blows almost everyone out of the water.I also prefer Kurt's singing over Grohl's,though that's just a preference,feels like Kurt's voice is more memorable.
You didn't do kiss fans? Now that is a toxic fanbase. No questions.
As someone who loves Kiss, I have to agree. No one hates Kiss more than Kiss fans!
I don’t know. I think KISS themselves might be more toxic than their fans.
@@greenmantles I'm regarding the fans that love them. God they reek of elitism it is nasty
as a KISS fan I 100% agree, kiss fans hates kiss fans and yup kiss fans hates kiss. That because they(me included) are really obsessed with the band.
All 3 of them?
As a huge Pink Floyd fan, I agree. There are many fans who just can't accept any views that don't align with their own and get offended so easily. I try not to be that guy.
I was one of those fans then I turned 18 and life happened
Pink Floyd elitist here. And yes, as such I do think people must be mentally ill if they don't se that PF is way better than anything else. That is just how the world work. Nothing noone can do about it. :D
I could get never get into Pink Floyd.
And remember, Dave Mustaine wrote everything on the black album.
Sabbath fans are usually too stoned to talk trash.
I mean
You don’t really see people hating on sabbath or saying that they are overrated because they have the respect of everyone
You cant be overrated when you did something that big
@@Leatherface123. right on! And their first six albums are nearly perfect…
Me as a Pink Floyd fan trying not to be toxic about this toxic ranking lol
Hahahahahahahha i love your reaction about Manowar. Power metal bands have the least toxic fanbase ever because they are SELF AWARE. They know how cheezy they are and just want people to enjoy it.
The funny thing is that Joey DeMaio is probably F tier in toxicity, but Eric Adams is S tier.
I expected the fans to brand everybody else as "POSERS"!
On the other hand, powermetal fans like the comic metal band "Nanowar of Steel" prove otherwise.
You can hear their love and passion for this music genre in their songs but they still can make a joke out of it at the same time.
Manowar is one of those bands that if you see someone wearing their tshirt it's 0% chance just for fashion, they will be a true fan. I have made quite a few friends from just wearing their shirts and getting chatting with people because of it. The atmosphere at their shows is always great and and I have been able to have great experiences with people from all over the world because of them.
As an A7X fan, i gotta admit...we are kinda weirdly obsessed with everything about this band. Vocals, lyrical content, musicanship, progression, and the bandmates personality themselves...
Id say our passion is weird, but id argue much too rare to die.
Yeah, it's everything. Once you get into them you start to feel like part of the family. Watching Drinks with Johnny and the interview with the DiBenedetto twins and all the stories of how long they have all known each other, been together, and how close they all are. It pulls you in. I can't wait to hear the new stuff... soon!
I’ve tried adjusting to new sights but I always seem to come back to A7X
Yeah its not a thing for everyone, but I've never encountered a toxic A7X fan since I've been one.
What songs do you recommend for newer A7X fans
@@zachzack6171 For a newer fan? I'd generally try and hook them with what most consider their best albums I.E. City of Evil and Nightmare pretty good mix of stuff Critical Acclaim and Hail to the King are also good listens.
Specific songs?
Bat Country
Beast and The Harlot
Blinded in Chains
Welcome to the Family
So Far Away
Buried Alive
Nightmare
Natural Born Killer
To address the love for Slipknot: as an Iowa boy, we cherish the VERY few of us that become famous because it is rare. Not an excuse obviously but most of the diehards are from Iowa and have a giant love for them becoming so famous
Please to meet a fellow Iowan. I’m from Cedar Rapids, how about you?
@@someguy7424 Des Moines 🤘🏼
Look at us Iowa boys, getting so excited at anyone acknowledging us lol. Tommy bolin was an Iowa boy too and that dude was a legend
European here, the only reasons I know Iowa even exists are Slipknot and Seth Rollins.
@@regorf there are some Americans that don’t even know Iowa exists so I understand lol
As an Iron Maiden fan (mostly of the first 7 albums), I can assure you that I would have put the Iron Maiden fandom in F tier. Here in Italy it's just filled with so many toxic and honestly musically ignorant boomers that when you go to see them live it makes you want to stop listening to them.
As an italian. Can confirm.
Went to their 2018 Milan gig, never even listened to them again after that concert. The worst cesspool of “fans”
I have seen that to be the case in many other countries in Europe, it's just these absolute elitists, luckily the younger generation I would say is a bit better
can add UK Iron maiden fans aswell. the most elitist metal/'populraity = good, elitists' ive met have been maiden fans. Id have said D
EDIT: will add least here in wales, majority of the black metal fans here are the LEAST elitist. the elitists ive come across are mostly of 2 camps. 1) do not like man bands experiment and try to get a new sound that didnt start before the 90's. 2) Jump on the newest big time popular band and believe a band being popular automatically means the band/music is amazing.
Oh wow that's surprising. And extremely bizarre. I've never met Maiden fans like that.
@@BecomeTheKnight I actually agree I didn't realise there was a toxic base, thankfully (so far) every fan I've met as been down to earth 🙂
Weezer fans are either the worst or best, no inbetween. Same with Ween or any fanbase that doesn’t take its band seriously
The self-aware Weezer fans are the best
Weezer - garbage fans for garbage music
How about the “Blue and Pinkerton are the two greatest albums ever made and everything after that is worthless dogshit” crowd?
Weezer haters can make a 30 minute video essay on why Weezer sucks then Weezer enjoyers will just say "We know" then refuse to elaborate.
*cough* Billy Cobb
As a Radiohead fan, I can say:
Yeah people can get super pretentious and too elitist for their own good, but there’s a section of us that are super chill. What you described does indeed describe the worst of us.
I think an instrument hierarchy would be hilarious. Thanks for the fun content!
Bro absolutely
Electric triangle... S TIER!
@@sabrethemoment6799 what the f is an electric triangle?
Harmonica while riding a pig has to be S tier.
@@rihardstuka413 Something too scary even for ElectroBOOM to atttempt
My dad’s a hardcore eagles fan. I’d call him pretty cool, he actually came back with the milk.
This is a greatly under appreciated comment. 😂
Great video only thing missing for me is that you didn't talk about one of the worst behaviours in fandoms (in my opinion): The Gatekeepers (all of the "You're not a real fan if..." Or without anyone asking them "I'm a fan since...")
Honestly bob dylan was really good at making songs that other people turned into masterpieces eg. All along the watchtower and knocking on heavens door.
I've always preferred Dylan's version of knockin'.
I was going to say that my favorite Dylan songs are ones others covered.
my favorite zeppelin song for a long time was a dylan song without even knowing
Desolation Row
Listening to the Byrds is the only time I like Dylan songs.
I think most Manowar fans are very well aware how cringe the lyrics are. We just go with it lol.
From my experience with the Dream Theater fandom, they're usually extremely chill but god help you if you say anything negative about SFAM or anything positive about The Astonishing, let alone both in the same sentence.
You forgot about praising Mangini more than Portnoy.
Love the Astonishing 🤷♂️
My favorite band is DT, and... Scenes From A Memory is not perfect because of 2 moments in 2 different songs, IMO: the moaning in Home is unnecessary, at least unnecessarily long; and a minute section in Dance of Eternity is just boring. The Astonishing is good, but I've only listened it once ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And damn, Labrie is a sad thing in music history. His voice _should_ be better, even at his age, but well, we all know the odyssey.
Petrucci's riffs are very boring on the new record. That's akward, because his riff on Distance Over Time are fucking amazing.
And that instrumental sections that just repeat a line over and over again, like in A View From The Top of The Wolrd, are very anoying. For me, the worst thing a song can be is repetitive, no matter how cool the idea is. I don't give a shit to "stablishing the theme that will never appear again", it negatively affects the structure of the song.
Well, sorry, I was just trying to criticize my favorite band...
The Astonishing is one of my favorite DT albums, and while there's 3-5 unnecessary songs on it, I don't understand why the fanbase hates it so fervently. Most of the album kicked fucking ass, it was very unique for the band too, I feel like yelling "Just LISTEN TO IT" whenever someone calls it garbage, because it so obviously isn't imo.
@@spartansquid5931 they hate it solely because it's different
I am a longtime diehard Tool fan. I first heard them in 1993 at age 11 when the video for Sober came on MTV, and they've been my absolute favorite band ever since. My douchebaggery is compounded by the fact that I'm also a drummer who can play enough guitar to write music, and understands enough theory to fake an intelligent-sounding conversation. I am fully self-aware, and I have to say that the Tool Army deserve our own special tier for toxic fandoms. We're fucking awful, bro.
I love Manowar lol it's so campy and cheesy it comes full circle to being cool again, kind of the same feeling with movies like Jason and the Argonauts
I was waiting for the DT Fandom tier position, and according to all the discussions I see all the time on a DT Facebook group, I would've immediately placed them in F tier.... they're INSUFFERABLE OMFG! I myself am a fan, but I can't stand the online DT community 🤦🏻♂️
Dream Theater fans don't accept criticisms on their favorite band ever. For a couple of times I criticized DT's songwriting, and I was received really bad for that. I was polite, I had arguments and points, but the amount of whining, bitching and moaning I received from the fanboys was staggering; even one or two personal insults went my way. I gave up and gave them the victory (i.e. I started to agree with them). That was a wise choice of mine, because they finally shut the F up.
Thankfully I won't judge them solely based upon the FB group lmao! I used to be in that group and it got so bad I left. Incredibly cringe.
The number of times I got shamed on the subreddit for the band because I don't like SFAM but enjoy The Astonishing is, well, astonishing. The amount of DT fans that hold Scenes up as the best concept album that ever was and refuses to hear a different opinion is ridiculous.
@@BecomeTheKnight I'm still there, I sometimes like to set fire under their asses for fun 🤣
@@InfernalRitesCharts Never been in any DT fan group, but I do hold the opinion that SFAM is the best concept record ever record and no, I refuse to hear any arguments against it lol.
I’m not a diehard maiden fan but after seeing legacy of the beast, everyone in the pit was extremely nice and as you said in the past, there was like a metal family vibe to it, like everyone is here for one purpose, which was to listen to some bad ass music and I had a great time, such a great fan base.
I would put Beatles fans in the "F'" bracket. Spend time on the Steve Hoffman forums and you'll see why. To many of them, the Beatles are the end all and be-all in music and they post the most ridiculous what-if questions. Huge Beatles fan myself, but these people are nuts.
With the Foo Fighters, I feel like at least a sizeable portion, though I couldn't tell you exactly how much, of why their fans are generally so chill has to be that the most public-facing aspects of the band are Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins. Like, when you have those two sweethearts who are just always super down to earth and real with absolutely everyone, I feel like it kind of just naturally tends to filter down to everyone else.
Also, while they've certainly made great music, it's not like they completely revolutionized or created a whole genre the way some of the other bands on this list did (heck, like Nirvana), so it's probably a lot harder to hold that kind of elitism for their stuff. They just hit that perfect balance of being mainstream enough that you can't pat yourself on the back just for being into them but not so popular that you hear them everywhere you go, and good enough that you can wholeheartedly enjoy them but with enough "meh" in their discography that most people will probably have songs of theirs that they love, like, are indifferent to, and probably some they'd rather not bother with.
this is exactly my thoughts
My dad's a Manowar fan, I'm a 3DG fan. He always taught me one value in music: "You can love a band and enjoy it while knowing people point their flaws or don't like them, that's fine, at the end of the day you're the one to enjoy the music, not them"
I myself love some of Manowar's songs to be fair.
I have made quite a lot of friends from attending Manowar shows and even from wearing their t-shirts around my city leading to people starting conversations. Also had similar with Ensiferum and Wintersun fans. Definitely S in my opinion 😄
3DG? Three Days Grace?
@@frozendilemma yes
@@RafeMcCawley393Absolutely Loved 3DG with Adam. One X is one of my favourite albums. Back in the day 3DG and Breaking Benjamin were my go to bands.
The Beatles were the very first band I got into when I was first learning guitar at about 9-10 years old (I’m 23 now) and I’ll admit that I was pretty obsessed with them for awhile but I’ve grown out of it, though they’re still one of my favourite bands and a big reason why I fell in love with music (and relating to what Mike said about John Lennon, I still love his and Paul McCartney’s songwriting but I was more a fan of George Harrison since he was the first guitarist that I heavily looked up to (alongside Eddie Van Halen) and I still credit him as helping me become the guitar player I am today)
George Harrison doesn’t get enough credit imho
I would love to see you and Finn collab on a podcast, if it were possible that would be awesome. Other than that, great content man, keep it up! 🤘
Past Mike here (my name is also Mike): I am expecting Dream Theater and Slayer to be way down the list.
Current Mike here: hey not too bad
Slayer should definitely be on D or F.
After going to a Maiden concert, everyone I've seen are incredibly nice and welcoming. And, they put on an awesome show. Agreed, after Matter of Life and Death it's kind of all been the same structure, save just a few songs. Most of the fans seem to be self aware with the repetitiveness
As a black metal fan who almost excusively listens to black metal when it comes to metal/rock i love to hear you talk about it
I think he's a bit misinformed... a lot of those guys are ignored *FAST!* . And, I go to a good amount of BM shows 😂.... extreme metal umbrella period
Mike, you seriously need the album Anthems to the welkin at dusk by Emperor in your life for some actually excellent black metal (I do share a lot of the same opinions as you about most other 2nd wave black metal bands like Mayhem or Darkthrone) but Emperor and this album specifically really are great.
i think he should start with maybe prometheus the physics of fire or ishans solo stuff which is super prog than work back to the brilliance that is emperors earlier stuff
I feel like the only Black Metal he has listened to is the wired DBM stuff and Burzum. I think he should at least give Emporer and Dissection a try before writing the whole genre off.
Yeah you can tell he hasnt really dug into the subgenre but hes right about the elitists.
@@Hellenicheavymetal I honestly don't see that either, am mostly getting warm and friendly energies from all the big black metal loving UA-cam channels such as Quest for metal or Farvann and their fans.
You almost touched on something when talking about Bowie and mentioning Prince, and similarly with EVH: there seems to be a huge number of people who are suddenly super fans of someone immediately after they pass away. People who previously either didn't care or (in my experiences with people critiquing music tastes as a kid at school/uni) hated their respective styles loved them from the day they died, and to me that's a really negative element of these fan bases.
Counter argument - me trying to say I enjoyed their music before they died, therefore before you did could also be thought of as pretty toxic...
Before EVH's death I use to hear he was the biggest dick ever and after, everyone says he was the most down to earth person ever
This applies to Chris Cornell as well
@@iliketrains3495 I don't think his / Chester / Layne fanbase is toxic.
…and Queen.
…and the musically ignorant plebs who watch a Hollywood docu-film about an artist and are all of the sudden superfans/ experts on them.
I got a bone to pick with aluminum fans. They’re loud, hard to clean, and they don’t provide enough air circulation
you and your whole family don't provide enough air circulation. Hating on aluminium smh my head
I got a bone to pick with people who claim aluminum is the only correct spelling and pronunciation
I came across a hell of a lot of people in Doors t-shirts back when I worked at a theme park, and they all seemed cool (and most of them were actual fans too). However, I remember a lot of angry comments when some girl did a drum cover of Light My Fire and mocked the too-long keyboard solo in the description
That Eagles logo lmao
The Doors were my first favorite band. They worked for me, but I can definitely understand why someone wouldn't like them. Music should always be a release and never a competition.
A Foo Fighters fan here since 2007, and I can confirm: this is one of the chilliest fanbase on earth. We do not care if you love/hate the band or the albums, we just vibe. As Justin Hawkins explained on his video, Foo's music is like the mother's meal you love.
Great tier list and great video. Since you included black metal, you could have included deathcore and melodic death metal as well. Also, your take on Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, SOAD, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam and Cannibal Corpse would have been fun too.
I just subscribed after watching a lot of your videos. Love the vibe, the critiques, and even got into bands you praised/said you weren't the biggest fan of. Can't wait for more 🤝
I agree about what you said about people putting wait too much emphasis on lyrics. I once commented on a metal video and said the lyrics don't matter because it's screamed most of the time, and some dude replied to me saying I don't know what I'm talking about and saying lyrics are super important and music needs lyrics in order to be good.
Like bro chill, it was said as a joke and because it really doesn't matter
I mean most people don't understand music theory so naturally will care more for lyrics. I have a limited amount of music theory knowledge but I still prefer prog bands.
@@Heatwave9000 word yeah, of course, but this guy just wasn't having it. Literally said Music is only good if it has lyrics, like thats a complete lie
As soon as I was GWAR being dragged up to S-Tier I was just laughing happily and nodding yes before you even really said anything. As a fan myself, my experience has consistently been that they are just as fucking massive of lovable big-time as the band itself. Best shows I have ever been to.
Thank you for standing up for instrumental focused music. People think only lyrics create music and never give credit to the instrumental
“How little skill and practice goes into making that horrible sounding art.”
That statement sounds like a person who calls death metal screamo or noise. What a toxic and just completely untrue thing to say. I do agree there is also a lot of elitism and assholes that tend to cover up the good stuff.
Only negative I have had with some Foo Fighter fans is the worshipping of Dave Grohl as this 2nd coming of Christ to music when in reality he is a talented musician who writes mediocre songs.
Oh yeah definitely this. It's hilarious when FF fans criticise other bands for being generic and formulaic lol
I think I like slipknot cause of the energy they have live. Joey jordison was an amazing drummer and corey Taylor's vocals are top tier in my opinion. I also just relate to their lyrics especially with the first 2 albums. And for pantera I was a little sad cause I wanted to hear some of your thoughts on Phil Anselmo. Otherwise great tier list. Loved the video
Should be nice to see a tier list of fandom from Rock/metal genres
As an Iron Maiden fan, I can say if you are like me you are emailing the band every day telling them to please come to our city and please play Flash of the Blade
The thing with Pantera, Queen and Freddy Mercury fandom is according to me is because of them either dying or becoming handicap waaay early then they should have. I always think "how would it look like for Jason Becker to be still alive rn or how would it feel for Dimebag to be alive rn) cause when they were at the prime, I was either not born or was a 1 month old kid
Jason Becker is still alive lol he is just disabled from disease
All the slipknot fans I've encounter would be in D or F tiers that the fan keeps me liking their music. They think if you don't love the band its a personal attack on them as a human being, that slipknot invented metal and if slipknot is criticized in anyway its grounds bad mouthing and making personal attacks on you over.
*THANK YOU!* you get it.... they are annoying asf and very emotional
I agree their fan base is very toxic
Awesome idea for a tier list!
Oh, I was a cringy obsessive Slipknot fan for a few years when "All Hope Is Gone" came out, being socially inept depressed and angry teen, both their music and presentation spoke to me and my morbid fascinations back then. I've grown up and chilled out since then, don't like Slipknot nearly as much but have huge respect for their musicianship and really enjoy occasionally binging their stuff. Don't know the state of fandom today, but back then I didn't know english very well, and some fans were really rabid to the point of weirding me out a little, when I was a zealous fan myself.
Also can absolutley agree on EVH and Hendrix. Throw Malmsteen with them as well, even saying that you're as a guitar player never really listened to their stuff can prompt some people to attack you on a very personal level
If Tool fans aren’t F tier then I question if this is really Mike the Music Snob 🤔
Aww look at you 😢
Yeah, that one was kinda surprising to me. They are so obsessed over the fibonacci sequence and other useless shit they include their highly predictable and mid songs, it's insane. I can say the same thing about Polyphia, obsessing solely on some of the technical stuff and forgetting about everything else that makes a good song.
@@deepenwadhwa4027 that polyphia one is so true and also along with the teen girl section of their fandom that only got into polyphia cause of Tim Henson's looks
I agree with everything you said. Except, my experience with Tool fans would go in F tier. One person came into my place of work and berated me for listening to Undertow, implying it's hot garbage. Then proceeded to tell me about math equations making them great. My only reply was I only care about how the music makes me feel.
But I do live in a snobby music scene that killed itself with undeserved self importance.
Great list! Listened and still listen to most of the bands on it (except Grateful Dead, Opeth and Gwar) and love them all to different degrees depending on the day and mood!
I feel like most bands hold a place in my heart because they harken back to various periods in my life, without the context they probably do suck in a lot of ways but we like what brings us back to that place, the memories, the people, etc.
You should make a prog rock tier list
I don't really care anymore, so...:
Chris Cornell was better than Freddie Mercury. Freddie's voice felt unnaturally smooth, in a way it starts to feel a bit unsettling. Chris' voice felt more real and normal.
An interesting description of Freddie's voice, but yeah, I'd rather listen to Chris Cornell honestly lol
Dude I LOOVE Tool and would have put that at about a C at the highest honestly. You definitely gave the suck-segment of the fan base a bigger benefit of the doubt than I feel we deserve but you know. All good regardless. 😁
Using the Waking The Cadaver Logo for Black Metal got me worked up real fast 😂
As someone who's very active in the Queen fandom, even I wouldn't put us at A, mainly because of the new wave of Teen Girl fans that came after the Bohemian Rhapsody movie. They treat the band more like characters in their comics rather than musicians, and only ever care about the hits. I watched the change in the fandom from before and after the movie and we were so chill before that period and would actually dive into their older more obscure material and recognise the diverse styles into Progressive Rock, Heavy Metal, Folk, Avant-garde, et cetera.
Now, you go to any Queen forum (especially Amino), and you're see a bunch of uwu fan art, unfunny comics, and very little music talk (usually about the hits) and whenever someone actually tries to do a deep dive and analyse what made their music so interesting, they seem very disinterested and dismissive of it. Now, the hype has thankfully died down in the years following the film, but it's still the majority of all active Queen forums.
I liked Queen (I don't as much anymore) but holy fuck I always found the memes so atrocious
Pink Floyd fans also hate Pink Floyd fans lol (at least on reddit)
Lmfao that's awesome
Metal band mascot tier list next?
In my experience, I’ve seen a lot of Queen fans who are SUPER toxic whenever there’s a video of Queen with Adam Lambert. But maybe that’s just me, love the vid 👍
For the Dream Theather fanbase I think if you had remember about the guys who are only Mike Portnoy's Dream Theather fans I think it would have landed in an F tier. Is just really annoying that 12 years later they still don't accept the change.
This is so damn true. Love Portnoy’s drumming. I prefer his drum sound to Mangini’s (at least on the albums). But people need to get the fuck over it. As somebody who probably prefers him overall, Portnoy fanboys tend to be awful.
I disagree on your take on black metal itself, but I couldn't agree more with your take on the fanbase.
I interacted in a black metal space once. The thread was going okay (as okay as a black metal thread could be) when I made the grand mistake of revealing that I was female (I know, shocking). Almost instantly, horrible comments from dozens of incels, everything from fetishistic disgustingly inappropriate comments to guys calling me literal slurs and everything in between. I literally had to delete all the accounts under my previous username because people would search for me on other platforms and harass me there. It was such a bad experience that I basically left metal spaces entirely and now rarely interact, comment etc in any metal space on any platform. Black metal is still my favorite subgenre (with the exception of NSBM) but the experience has certainly soured it.
Mate, I am sorry you met some bad people. I am a female too, 24yo and Eastern European (Albanian) which has been a diehard black metal fan since when I was 10 but not elitist nor racist...I have to say that I probably didn't get any toxic comments bc I didn't reveal my gender and I have a very male mindset but what surprised me was that I felt very welcomed among behemoth fans and there I even revealed my gender so...well I think there's good and bad everywhere even in bm
Love the use of the Waking the Cadaver logo for Black Metal 🤣🤣
It is true, tier lists are very entertaining and we appreciate it. 🤝
Never understood why some people are so obsessive about a group or artist. There are some bands (Dream Theater for a long time) I wouldn’t check out because the fans were so annoying. Definitely not helping the band in anyway by being completely obsessed like that.
Did you finally dig into DT ?
@@futurebreedmachine9302 Oh yeah, huge fan! I've listened to every album at this point.
That's a really dumb reason not to listen to bands lmao
Sucks that Megadeth's fan base isn't in here. Literally some of the most biased and one-sided people in the community. Easy D tier
And there’s A LOT of political illiteracy among the fanbase
Everyone already knows that lol
From bands I've actually could consider myself a fan and not just casual metal/rock enjoyer I'm happy to announce (also taking in count shows I've been to) that I score 1 point in S tier, 2 points in A tier, 3 points in B tier, 2 points in c tier and 1 point in D tier. No points in f tier.
By standarts of Mike I'm quite chill and non toxic fan of the bands. I appreciate and approve this tier list!
I'm a slipknot fan and the reason I love them is cuz of the insane drumming by Jordison and Weinberg that compliment the riff and there's just a really cool sense of chaotic order that's pleasing to the ears. That's just me tho
The most toxic types of fandoms I've encountered haven't necessarily been where they're just obsessive over the bands themselves and celebrating them (such as nerding out over the band members of Iron Maiden or Dream Theater's playing ability... to me, that alone isn't bad since it comes off more as having a lot of passion for them), but more so in the ancillary extensions that erupt and bring a negative vibe from those obsessions (such as Iron Maiden fans putting down Judas Priest, and vice versa for Priest's fans on Maiden instead of appreciating each one's strengths and acknowledging various faults of both, despite having a preference for one over the other... or best/worst album elitism that's very common among Rush and Dream Theater fans within the fanbases themselves... God forbid you prefer one album that's villified over one that's far more celebrated).
If NSBM fans were included in here, they'd be SS tier.
if you haven't already checked them out, you should check out Woods of Ypres. Their music has a lot of black metal elements but they have a very unique sound and great songwriting and musical skill, so you might enjoy some of their stuff.
As a Pink Floyd fan I wholeheartedly agree with you. Feel it’s a similar thing with Beatles fans like if you don’t agree that they’re the best band ever you’re wrong. Folk need to get over that
As a black metal fan, I'm sorry
I can’t believe you didn’t mention the Brian Wilson of Beach Boys cult members. I am a big fan myself, but a large percentage of that fanbase is bat shit crazy.
Manowar, Zeppelin and Sabbath are my 3 favourites on this list so I will gladly accept your verdict 😄
7:20 yes, thank you for articulating the though i've had for years!
Well bowie was pretty open on who he was and I think people loved and respected him for it
As an admittedly obsessive Death fan, I was a little disappointed to see that it wasn't on the list. I used to absolutely worship Chuck Schuldiner, even in the midst of me having realized that all of his songs are very very similar, and there was also the whole "idolizing the dead artist" thing, too. I will always love Death and have a special place in my heart for some of their songs, but in general I feel like the fanbase can be very clingy. Maybe not elitist (I knew Chuck wasn't the best thing to ever happen to music, in other words), but definitely clingy.
And they’re very deluded and think he invented the tech death genre when his “influence” is over stated
@@mylerwilson4879 I'd have to agree
Love Death
I'm literally wearing a death shirt right now 😂.... I've always found death fans to be very welcoming and intelligent. You've described most hardcore thrash fans I've come across who happen to be big death fans also... who tend to be "clingy"
Nice bell curve graph man
Totally agree with the GWAR fandom. Everyone I have taken to go see GWAR always says the crowd and fans were the friendliest people they have met at a concert.