Me: *won't listen for 5 minutes in a school history class* Me: *uses free time to watch a 23 minute video on the history of a fictional race of lizard people*
Mainly it's how it's presented. History needs to be dealt in a romantic type of way, just dropping in facts won't make it likeable, but more like a chore. This video is done with music, visuals and a pleasing voice not just telling you about Argonians, but doing it in a tone (complimented greatly by the music) to make you WANT to know more.
To be fair, a lot of the importance in history is in those facts: if you don't know the sequence specific events occur, you may question things incorrectly or build yourself a foundation of false knowledge that a later teacher will have to rebuild to get you up to speed with what they're teaching (we've all seen this kind of thing in math, for example, where a teacher might have to spend more time teaching 1 specific student more because they don't have as good a grip on the fundamentals). Teaching in a romantic way can make more of it stick, but a lot of vital information could easily be overlooked, and then there's the most important thing: effort. It's very time-consuming to create romantic ways to teach something substantial. Teaching romantically may make things stick better, but it's also much more effort on the teacher who is going to have to teach not only that one particular subject, but possibly 2 or 3 other subjects in High School and Middle School, and in junior college your professors may also have to teach several different subjects, and in post-grad your professors are also conducting their own research projects, to say nothing of continuing education for teachers.
KC Halcomb yes, that is true, HOW you present those facts is even more important, because if no one listens to those facts, there's no point is telling those facts. Storytellers are historians who embellish a little to make everyone know the story. Every conspiracy theory has one thing in common, they tell a great story as to why those theories are true.
Just imagine if the argonians where successful in taking control over oblivion they would be the true overlords of nirn and the hist the god over their realms
Mehrunes Dagon: *opens numerous portals from a hellish alter-dimension, unleashing screaming hordes of nightmarish creatures into Black Marsh* Hist-drunk Argonians: "It's free real estate" *proceed to slaughter all the daedra and reverse-invade the hellscape of Oblivion*
What sounds better, being a walking crocodile/alligator who is immune to most poisons or being a walking kitten who can be easily addicted to crushed sugar
if your on pc and play argonian you should install brutish argonians then you really look like an alligator but yeah thats cool but on the other hand there skill allocation are all over the place
Not to mention they're descendants of a tree that is thought to be the oldest living organism on Nirn. But to be honest, being the descendants of Daedra (pretty much demons) is more badass in my opinion, good ole Dark Elves and Orcs. Call me edgy if you want, that's just my personal preference.
Argonians haven't been the best warriors as a race, but maybe that's because they're less warmongering than other races. It seems to me that Argonians as a culture aren't obsessed with conquering other races or racial supremacy. They only seemed to get riled up in self defense or justified revenge. They're not obsessed with war and dominance. Sort of like a kid who could be a better fighter but doesn't see the point of constantly being an asshole.
Argonians are actually pretty good warriors, at least considering what they did during the Oblivion Crisis. The Daedra invading Black Marsh got their asses kicked, and they didn't stop there, they even invaded Oblivion successfully before Dagon's lieutenants closed the gates so they wouldn't be overrun.
I guess Argonians became slaves because it was the will of the Hist, slaves are shipped everywhere, and because the Hist can connect to all Argonians, they are the perfect spies (for the Hist), I guess it's kinda like how Nocturna works with thieves (gives them luck when necessary, but not always). And may I applaude the ability for Argonians to adapt? They are pretty much everywhere, even Skyrim's cold climate doesn't seem to affect them that much, their knack for lockpicking and stealth (second ONLY to Khajits), connection to the Hist, waterbreathing, resiliance to toxins and illnesses. The perfect spies. (As good as the Hist exists, Argonians will easily outlive all the races).
I agree with this. It makes sense to me that the hist subjegate the argonians to other races atrocities to 1) improve the hists knowledge of the other provinces and 2) grow a racial resentment of other races for the argonians, which further makes them rely on the hist The second fact i think is backed by the genocidal views of the leading argonian party
If so then that would mean since the hist lives within the argonian race wouldn't that also mean when a argonian dies could a hist sapling sprout up if the area was hospitable and flourishing such as the other sentient tree the eldergleam perhaps the hist have already taken over skyrim and the war and ulfrik are a result of hist manipulation and maybe even be the reason the dragons returned to nirn all hail the hisssst
Thomas takes a toll for the dark DING DING DING WOW YOU CORRECT MY GRAMMAR iM sO gRaTfUl YOU DESERVE A MEDAL DONT YOU, YOU HAVE PROVEN YOUR HIGHER INTELLECT ITS NOT LIKE ITS UA-cam COMMENTS OR SOMETHING AND YOU COULD STILL UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS SAYING BUT NO YOU ARE SUCHH A HERO
It would be interesting if more Argonians took to the sea, either as merchants or pirates, being able to breathe water (seems salinity ain't a problem with them) may be a huge advantage for them, and maybe it could be possible for them to actually build underwater cities (the water breathing is indefinite, so why not), ambushing boats from the depths, putting all Tamriel in an economic crisis). Is not that they're bad, they just don't know how to play their cards.
I believe there are underwater sentient races in elder scrolls. If argonians did go out to sea and went far enough they'd eventually run into issues with the sloads. But I would wager if the argonians were smart they could make powerful aliences with the sloads.
It is very likely that the hist 'adviced' the argonians to not become a race of sailors with underwater cities because it would have ended with the majority of the race abandoning the marsh and the hist.
If anything, knowing that they've made it through such hard times makes me like the Argonians even more. They've always been my favorite Elder Scrolls race.
I really like them but i can't identify with them. And i don't really like that they are so dependend on the hists. It would be very cool if they could seperate from the hists and start to do their own thing.
My first character on Elder Scrolls 2 was an Argonian, named Gooza, and since then i have made headcanon playing all the elder scrolls games after that, making an argonian that looked as much like Gooza as i could recreate, all the way up to Skyrim, a bloodline and ancestry of heroes
That’s amazing, I’ve done this with my wood elf character in daggerfall, morrowind, oblivion and Skyrim. They all have the last name ‘nightsky’ and they’re a family of archers
Argonians are also potentially the smallest race (population wise) and the least advanced, let alone skilled. Argonians, despite being my absolute favorite race, are very much third world compared to the rest of Tamriel. Even the Bosmer have more advancements and skill than the Argonians. They aren't nearly as magically inclined as Bretons, Altmer, or even Dunmer and Imperials. They don't have a culture that's centered around combat and endurance like the Redgaurds, Bosmer, Orsimer, and Nords. And they aren't nearly as agile or stealthy as Khajiits. Argonians are very much adapted to their homeland and that's all the Hist felt was necessary for the Argonians as a whole. So long as the Argonians are capable of surviving and thriving within Black Marsh, the Hist is safe. This is part of the reason I want a Black Marsh-centric TES game. I want Bethesda to potentially explore a way for the Argonians to become an entity that exist separate from the Hist. I think it would be cool, if a civil war of sorts erupted and allowed for the player to choose whether the Argonians should remain connected to the Hist or to magically separate the Argonians as a whole from the Hist. It could even involve a Deadric Prince becoming interested in the entire affair as a potential opportunity to gain a hold on the Argonian race. Like what if Molag Bol or even Malacath were become interested. I mean, as the Deadric Prince of Vengeance, he could easily become the patron to a race who have been beaten down all their history.
Or maybe Peryite could do it. Would be interesting and ironic since he has hold over diseases and Argonians are highly resistant to diseases. While Black Marsh is probably packing a lot of toxic stuff/diseases that is dangerous to non-Argonians. And since he is considered to be the(sadly) weakest of the Daedra Princes and is often seen as a dragon, I see he might do that for a reason like that.
Pfft any race that invaded the Daedra (who are literally infinite) at a time when they were taking a steaming dump on the rest of Tamriel and not only beat them but beat them so soundly on their home turf that the Dremora commanders were forced to seal THEIR OWN PORTALS to avoid being overrun can never be called weak. All hail the An-Xileel.
Luke Price what’s wrong with worshipping something you know is real? If sentient tree gods create me and unlock my potential I’m pretty sure I’d worship them too. It’s better than some of the literal demons that get worshipped by some
Okay but consider this : Dremora general : first line onward ! "Oblivion army moves through the portal" Dremora general : okay no- "Not even 5 minutes after a bunch of bloodied daedra squirm out of the portal." " Oversized geckos start flooding in, slaughtering every daedra they see" Dremora general: what in the fuckery of molag Bal is this ?!" Mehrune, scared shitless: CLOSE THE FOCKIN PORTALS, NOW !
From what you told me, they have one of the most powerful abilities in the world. They can adapt. All of the other races might "stomp them". Yet they will survive long after their overlords. They don't need to win the battle. They just need to survive the war. Because while the world literally burns, these lizards will be able to adapt better than all of the other races. I think the Hist helped with the Oblivion crisis because to get that super juice, it would have taken a lot of energy to make. Why waste such a precious resource? Especially when the lizards can survive the constant oppression and subjugation of multiple races? To me, what is more impressive then the military victories is the aftermath. The truth is that the empire is practically reliant on their conquest. Without it they become stale and break apart. Argonians suffered but endured. That endurance is one of their most defining qualities and it is why I can't help but admire them. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they were just literally waiting the other races out. Like a bad storm. Just stay indoors until the storm clears and go outside. Heck, the other races already underestimate them. I wonder if that is exactly what the Argonians were waiting for. But how would I know? (:D
That reminds me of the forsworn actually, and you're right. The fact that the argonians live in the hashest area of blackmarch also speaks loads of their adaptibility.
Argonians are the epitome of “life isn’t a boxing match, it’s an endurance challenge.” Knock them down all you want, they’re going to outlast you because they can adapt to absolutely anything and everything. They’ll still be hanging out in black marsh when the rest of the men and mer have gone extinct
Sithis made hist to help some lizards. Lizards were simple animals but after driking the hist sap their evolution sped up and they became human like- argonians. Argonians worship Sithis and Sithis protects them, like how during the Oblivion crysis portals to BM closed by themselves, daedra didnt dare intrude. Empire used to ocupy only coastline of BM, could never get to the core regions alive. DB is an open guild in BM.
The Argonians are not really weak. They just have no need to be strong until the Hist deems it so, which is when they become arguably one of the strongest races in the entire Elder Scrolls universe. The Hist has been known to create the Argonians as sort of their "ambassadors" or envoys in the real world, because they can move and interact with others in ways the Hist can't (yes I AM aware that there are tales of moving Hist but those are just rumours, so I'll disregard them for now) Argonians serve as their means to stay alive, as both the Elthrosomething war (can't remember that name) and the Dwemer did a good job in decimating their numbers. They are both their children and servants, and so can also be used as really good soldiers. Considering the Argonians can be produced in masses like a factory and may be reborn this way (which means that you have practically unlimited soldiers) and guerrilla tactics that proved formidable enough to best Daedra in combat to the point of nearly invading the invaders, added to the Hist trees acting like watchtowers in the Black Marsh, and adding THAT yo the fact they are inmune to nearly all diseases in their home, which makes their homeland pretty much un-invadable, and adding to THAT the fact there are giant variations... I say that Argonians in general are weak compared to the other races in their current state, the current Black Marsh in an open field would not stand a chance against the Altmer or the Nords. HOWEVER, should the Hist deem it necessary, they could just make the Argonian race a military superpower in a matter of, possibly, just days. They are formidable enough attacking others, and their homeland is not really defeatable without the Hist even trying.
I would say the Argonions are not really anything special, aside from their adaptations, rather, the Hist are the only ones who make them so. The Hist could probably do it to any race they wanted, and Argonians were merely convenient. I think it’s clear the Hist the real power.
@@Neuviletteiudexofmemes Exactly. The Argonians are not important, rather, the Hist are the more important ones. They are the "real" masters of Black Marsh.
it's not that the argonians are always treaded on it's that the Hist are playing the LONG game. They took the best defensible place in the continent and uplifted the most flexible and adaptable species there. Notice how deep black marsh is never conquered? that's what the hist care for. Eventually, their time will come and it will make the oblivion crisis look like a nice vacation.
Remember when he said that the hists collect the dead argonians memories? I think the hist trees allow the argonians to be slaves so they can have argonians in other provinces to learn more about what is going on around tamriel. Almost like spying on the other races, what they know, and what they plan to do. Maybe an Argonian in Morrowind discovered some secret that Dagon was coming to Nirn, but the Argonian was killed shortly after. Then, the hist tree would know, thus calling the argonians together to protect them. Good theory, huh?
I like the Orcs and dark elves the most but the Argonians arent weak. They saved the Nords and Dark elves with 3 gods on their side from Ice Giants from Akavar. They never lost a war because they never even acknowledge they're attacked. Sure, other races took some undefended camps outside the swamps near morrowind as slaves but they never got conquered. Any band of slave catchers can catch round up a village that doesn't defend itself. Catching slaves isnt an exercise of superiority. its hard to call yourself the winner of a game the other guy isnt even playing. They only 2 wars they fought, they won handly. Dark elves and daedra are the only times the Argonians stopped chilling in a swamp and organized and marched for war. They beat the Dark elves pretty easily even though it was mostly a surprise attack of sorts but they never got repelled. They stopped advancing. big difference. The difference between a war with a victor and a complete genocide. They kept the lands they took gave the Dunmer more causalties than the oblivion cirsis itself (that could be untrue though, another unreliable narrator effect). They didnt have a government until the oblivion cirsis really and since then, theyve done better than every race except the 3 race faction of the Aldermeri Dominion. People who look down on the argonians judge them on very odd criteria. Like did they conquer other nations, did they own slaves? The ability was always there, they are the jack of trade race, with fighters, mages, and stealth all rolled into their character makeup in-game. But their culture never desired anything but to be left alone in black marsh. So thats what they do. The Argonians' goals are a mystery now, with their new government ignoring the thalmor's request to meet but theyre the biggest problem the thalmor have right now aside from the redguards who are in open rebellion. Because this era is the first time theyve even looked up to see what the other races are doing after eras of ignoring them. Now they have more territory than ever and for the first time, a military.
It should be weird to see the Summerset Isles and Black Marsh interact now that xenophobic political parties have been in power over 200 years now in both region
@@retroalienfreakazoid9491 They seem more stuck up than racist, especially the Thalmor. The Nords seem to be the most racist group, especially the ones directly under Ulfric.
@turk turkleton I couldn´t have said it better. And the Nord in Eastmarch aren´t racist, the dunmer just refuse to understand the nord. Argonians have been accepted in Windhelm society, choosing to stay out of the city to avoid tensions with the nord and the dunmer. There are even three High Elves in Windhelm that all have rather successful businesses, meaning that the Nord don´t have a problem traiding with them. The Dunmer on the other hand, act like the Nord must give them roofs and food, while also stealing from them and openly saying things like "I dont care if the butcher kills another nord women." (I´m paraphrasing, don´t remember their exact words.
You’re forgetting that the Argonians sacked the Dunmer in an invasion of Morrowind. It’s mentioned in the DLC Dragonborn. They’re also recognised as top stealth and assassins. The Shadowscales as an example. You’re also forgetting the Bosmer and Khajiit who’ve been treated as slaves by the Altmer.
You can absolutely not call a race weak when it drives the daedra away all the way into their portals which they had to shut down because they would have been overrun!
There is one point I am surprised you didn't make during all of this, aside from the argonian's being more of a symbiotic in nature with the hist, that they are the only race to survive conquests, look at the races such as snow elves, sea elves and others that once conquered for the most part vanished from the face of Tamriel. Also another thing to remember is the Argonian's do consume what is essentially the blood of the hist, to be symbiotic there must be a balance, otherwise it becomes a parasitic bond, meaning the enslaved argonian's may not be just pawns but actually purged by the collective whole to prevent that symbiotic state from becoming corrupt.
I met sheogorath during the peak of my first acid trip while playing as an Argonian LizardWizard named Lord Bongwater III. I learned the meaning of humility in a way I never had before when the character responds to Sheogorath by asking him what he "asks" of him instead of what he would tell him to do. I now dream as this lizard and he and I have spiritually bonded through dimensions.
upset?-? dude you don't know me at all or how i work if i was upset you would never know its online i was perfectly calm while typing those comment .-_.- commenting things like that is a normal day for me plus i really hate lies
I have a theory that Argonians have some kind of low-key hive mind through the Hist. The way they sometimes refer to themselves in plural ("It is our most favored company") even when alone has always intrigued me.
I always thought that it's a cultural thing with the Argonians that you're considered a friend to not just one person, but the entire group. Hence the habit of using plurals.
I been playing as an Argonian since I first started on TES, there is such thing as loyalty, there is more to it than their abilities or how they look or any of that superficial shit. LOYALTY
Their customization options made me love them, and then their homeland, then their abilities, then their history, then their situation, and then their resemblence to a dragon. HAIL ARGONIA
My theory on the topic is two fold, either that the Argonians are the most benevolent race and don't want to hurt the other races...Or the Hist trees saved their power for when it mattered most (Being the Oblivion crisis). I don't consider the Argonians weak, in fact they have some of the most powerful strategic assets if you look at it from Sun Tzu's Art of war.
And not as though they aren't incapable of advancing. In their early history they made enormous stone pyramids (nowadays they embrace the idea of impermanence as a virtue and the cycle of rebirth), and nowadays argonians are notably talented alchemists and artisans, and seemingly have some very talented armorsmiths
"At least, the ghost saying it is canon" Holy shit! Thank you! Pisses me off when people take the word of a character as if they have perfect knowledge of the world and its history.
I am king emperor of the universe.... there it's canon because I said so. I agree, it always pisses me off, as if every little side character is suppose to have word of god authority over a story, god forbid an author might want to use an unreliable narrator.
People who do take NPC dialogue as final have never played older TES games, or even heard of dragon breaks (Which are not even that hard to understand).
@@rekzzak it happens in all stories. I started writing fanfiction as writing practice a few years ago and basically became the fudgemuppet of the Naruto universe (Great universe, shite main plot) and I've corrected so many mistakes on the series at this point that sonetimes I just stop mid paragraph and click off the comment to save the headache. One of the best examples is the simple fact that people often cite the words of a particular character, who I shall not spoil in case you wanna ever watch that series, as lore and truth. Buuuuuut for the entire series his entire shtick is that of a deceiver, he's literally planning everything in an attempt to be veiled in darkness, actively striving to place himself as the one kept on the wrong side of history. And pretty much everything he says or does is to that end, so he's highly unreliable as a source. Especially when he's expositioning at one character in particular who he's most concerned about deceiving for personal reasons, but his words are still commonly cited and it drives me mental. Subjective opinions are everywhere in story and lore and its maddening when people fail to realize that we're just spectating characters, not being told objective truths as an all knowing god.
Yeah that's why I find it incredulous that in The Dark Knight, people took the Joker at his word that he never had a plan. The dude lied constantly throughout the entire movie.
It seems like the Argonians aren't a powerhouse but they are very resilient and united (something that can't be said about most of the other races). They is a good chance they will outlive all the races of man and mer and khajiit who are (excluding the Khajiit because I am unsure about them on this topic) constantly fighting or dealing with civil unrest, or having grand ambitions which eventually lead to destruction. Concerning your theory at the end, I like it. The hist seem to act like a secret organization, The Argonians aren't seen as a threat. It could all be some long con conspiracy for them to take over Mundus.
it's all about that waterbreathing. i end up making my early fortunes by harvesting the rivers & sea having a dragon-like argonian be the "Dragonborn" is pretty cool. is a dragon ancestor the reason for the character's ability to use dragon language shouts?
@@PyrokineticFire1 my brother first heard about skyrim and played an argonian named Sobek. He later introduced me to the game and i play an argonian named Daws too. Therefore i am his descendant
So what your saying is that if the center of Black Marsh is threatened then they are called back to defend as super lizards. So in a way the Argonians will never die out, they can hold up in the center and if that is breached. The hist will supply them the power to drive off the invades. Black Marsh is the only province that is immune to invasion. If someone were to try and genocide all argonians, then they could go home and no one could get them, kind of like the argonians swampy hearth. In acient greece, the hearth was a scared thing, you couldnt attack someone there, and even if people didnt like you, they had to defend you. So in long terms, argonians can never be truly defeated.
I wouldn't say they are weak, there is a reason why Argonian shadowscales make some of the best assassins, and they are essentially stronger men with resistances to poison and disease, they are amphibious giving them huge advantages. they rather have a tribal style of culture and are more passive and submissive towards the world than other races of tamriel. many of them are enslaved by dark elves and yet many remain relatively peaceful. They face a lot of political and social adversity because they are a beast race, and their submissive lifestyle makes them more vulnerable. Their lack of interest in conquest has made them vulnerable to conquest though as a species, argonians are most certainly not weak. They are just more primitive. With the knowledge and technology of the elves they could potentially be one of the most dangerous races in Tamriel.
I think breathing underwater while being self aware is an amazing trait and strength to have. There are so many fights/conflicts that give you a defensive advantage if you are by the ocean or body of water by simply swimming away or waiting under water for quite sometime. I kind of want to watch Black Marsh in Arena atm, especially the central locations.
As a species they have definitely been screwed over, but from an Argonian point of view they don't feel that their weak. From the perspective of men or elf i can see how they think there weak, slaves from the beginning of history, have not conquered anyone and barely defended their land, However, maybe the Argonians are just swamp folk who want to be left alone? Perhaps the epiphany of their existence is hanging out with the hist trees, we simply do not know enough about their culture. When prompted they have attempted to defend their lands, charged head on into oblivion gates, put a halt on the daedra invasion of their lands and took it to the enemy Dagon , that has to be respected. Their perfectly suited to their habitat, and when properly organised they are very effective. Regardless of lore, they make a great character to play as, assassin, theif, ghost, berserker warlord, battle Mage. Keep up the great vids fudgemuppet. 👍
Jason Adams but only because of the hist, without them they would have suffered like everyone else, so it was the hist that beat the Daedra, not the argonians
Iron Wolf - With that logic, the Argonians were not needed and the Hist could of and should have defeated them their self. But alas, that is not the case, is it?
Weak? In the time of the oblivion crisis the Argonians were the only Race who fought the Deadra back, invaded them and fought so tough, that the Deadra retreated. I think the Argonians are absolutly Beasts and fearsome Warriors.
Marshal That's not that impressive to be honest. PC in Oblivion destroyed whole armies of Daedra single handedly, and the Altmer and Bosmer and other races fought back Mehrune's hordes pretty handedly as well.
Angelus The Hist are just as much a part of the Argonians as the magical talent of Elves and the brutish strength of the Orcs. If you make the argument "If the Argonians didn't have the Hist," that would be the equivalent of saying "Well if the Orcs didn't have their warrior prowess.."
Most of the reasons people give for the Argonians being weak - that they were conquered by Cyrodiil and defeated by Morrowind - can also be levelled at the nords yet nobody seems to do so because they assume that nords = vikings = strong.
Nords were forged in battle and Atmora(essentially the N.Pole) , Argonians were made by Trees wanting low-skilled labor . Nords fought Dragons and won , Argonians won the Daedra - after being good little slaves and consuming the fluids their masters spilled on them as instructed . Argonians without the Hist are like the tribes in Africa or the Amazon rain-forest in our world - they are cute and good to study but if you mention their military strength or their civilization's achievements you are either joking or being a lunatic.
The Nord's had an Empire. The first human empire. One that covered high rock, Skyrim and morrowind. They conquered all of Skyrim from the elf's with only 500 warriors and they hunted the dragons to extinction. Need I say more?
JDoc idk about S. America but Africa has shown a decent amount of military prowess post Shaka. It’s kinda not fair to judge Africa’s fighting forces because, before Shaka Zulu, a war for them was a small non fatal dispute between tribes. But then Shaka changed that and is remembered as one of the greatest military minds. (Sorry for tangent)
argonians are far from weak, their problem is they arent united nearly enough. if you look at lore in eso they are actually coordinated well for once thanks to the pact and they can actually show how efficient and advanced they are to the point of almight telvanni mages actually respecting hist magic used by their slaves. and about them getting pushed back from morrowind, do you guys realize morrowind is easily the worst place for argonians to fight in right? they are reptilians which thrive in humidity, and morrowind is the extreme opposite of humidity. its a land of ash and soot. and even with that disadvantages for the argonians, dunmer had to fight tooth and nail to get them out of their lands. dont get me wrong, dunmer is, in general, is has a fair bit more accomplishments as a race than argonians(or anybody else really), but argonians did quite a lot of damage on them. its not exactly fair to call any race "weak" cus they lost to empire, because talos had reached chim, which means he is the most powerful god. we also see plenty of times where empire got beaten back as well when talos is away. but to claim nords are weak cus they got shrekt is unbelievably wrong as well. talos, the literal god, was a nord. majority of the dragonborns were nords. if thats not enough lets not forget the 500 and ysgramor. nords are, from a military standpoint, is probably the most accomplished race in the history of tamriel. and they never truly lost to the dunmer as well, their nedic ancestors nearly destroyed the dunmers ancestors, the chimer. chimer had to result in using the brothers of strife just to be able to survive. and nords got quite a lot more achievements than just those as well.
finally someone backing up the argonians. im no lore expert but lets be honest. to call any race in tamriel weak is not exactly correct considering their competition (E.I: nords, red guard, altmer, etc etc). even the khajiit are some what tough. though their generally related to stealth they aren't restricted to it (to my knowledge). well i'll go now before it seems like im disagreeing with you, bye
Theory: You know how they say that the stars are the lesser Aedra who escaped back to Atherius when the Mundus was created. What if the Hist are those who remained in the Mundus? there's a little something to chew on.
Grammsay I... first off: Magni Gi. Different from Aedra. Second off: that is kinda brilliant. I mean, Magnus is the god of Magic and it makes sense that those who wished to remain would choose to have a calmer life style where they can just contemplate everything
I believe that the hist will play a role in the upcoming games, looking through what we know about these trees is that the hist is able to create life from its sap. These trees are found all around Nirn and Argonian tribes usually form around these trees. I don't think that these trees are just sentient trees that the argonians use for their sap and cultural purposes...i think there is much more to that, we know that most of these trees are centered in Black Marsh, a place that is lethal to other races when nearing the center. I think that the argonians are the creations of the Hist, a entity powerful enough to create and shape life, a deity. The Hist takes the memories from the argonians upon death, and giving that soul a new body, the argonians are the pawns of the Hist, using them as spies and assets. Gavering knowledge about other races, the hist is eternal, so it might be that for it, hours are minutes, days are hours time flies quicker for it, it knows all, it's seen every war, expierenced it with every death of a argonian, it is able to give strength and courage to the argonians. For now it does what it needs to survive, studying, evolving, growing new trees in new locations maybe since the dwemer cut most down for wood, replenishing it's strength, and maybe planing domination. Or it is just a tree...a sentient tree protecting it self, like we see some trees do in real life, by releasing toxins from its roots so no plant grows near it, stealing it's water and nutrition from the soil below it.
Trey Greypaws but of course. The maid makes sure her food is never undercooked and that her weapons are always polished. I hear she is very patient as well.
The argonians figuratively kicked mehrune dagon's armies's collective asses in the deadric invasion. They inhabited the land before elves and humans, they are the primeval inhabitants of Tamriel.
Being very isolationist and Tribal in nature it would make sense for Argonions to not have Much a history outside of blackmarsh. The Argonians are the Enigma race, Anything you know of them can only come from any of them that happen to leave Blackmarsh. If the Argonians were more active they would be much tougher and have a bigger footprint in tamriel. Major disease and poison resistance, the ability to breath underwater. Possible ability to gain bird like quality's and perhaps ability to adapt to their environments over generations(for example Skyrim Argonians gain feathers and horns, Tamriel argonians having fins since they are closer to blackmarsh,) Basically are the Argonians weak. no not really. they just don't have the will to be conquerors like every other race They just keep to themselves deep within black marsh. They are very powerful When they want to be. They stay with their Gods. any argonians on the fringes of blackmarsh are few and far between and not as unified
Yeah they willingly regress as a civilization. In ESO their pyramids or xanmeer still stand but they stopped developing cities simply because the hist trees told them so.
Actually, not all argonians are hatched in the marsh. There are example of the eggs being harvested from the Hist trees where they are nested and being sold of to what's meant to be originally for slavery in the invasion of Black Marsh.
+Luke Price He did? When? Aaaaalso, it's the Champion of Cyrodiil. Aka an incredibly powerful being that stands among the greatest and most powerful mortals to have ever existed. The fact HE was able to do it, and not entire nations, who were instead being overrun, says more about the hero's strength than the nation's weakness.
Sin of Pride The Argonians being able to stand up against Mehrunes because of foreknowledge isn't that impressive. Cyrodiil would've done even greater if they had had that same knowledge.
Argonians are based off of cold-blooded reptiles of the real world. Of which their musculature is easily able to support their body weight and then some in all manners of inclines. This muscle strength alone would ruin even a Nord in a strength contest, though that would just be overpowered to put in the game. There is also the the Shadowscales... those motherfuckers are no joke. They can turn out to be hulking were-crocodile juggernauts of death, or sleek wraiths that can put the lightest of Khajiit to shame. Why and how, you ask? Their feet are similarly padded, giving them the same advantages, they also have claws; though they have something the Khajiit don't have. Cold blood... The ability to circulate blood to needed parts of the body and the genetic ability to recruit every muscle fibre at once, an act that would allow full usage of every ounce of strength resulting in almost comical strength at the cost of severe muscle damage (Histskin tho mothafucka, who cares at that point!) Vampires also can't detect them cos you know, cold blood. Can't see that juice if it ain't warm. (Keep in mind that to be this cold would probably mean close to death since reptiles need to bask in order to heat the blood, but it depends on how skilled the individual is in manipulating their body heat. Just like an Assassin manipulating their HR with sedatives.) The major problems with the race that I can see, is the lack of magical prowess. The physical is there, though unlike Nord's, who have the meat AND the occasional magical art prodigy; the Argonians had nothing besides the odd shaman. Which was a pissant in the face of an actual mage. Mind control, enchanting, runes, traps etc. Is just too great of a threat for mere physical and adaptive capabilities to handle. Sure, the Shadowscale were versed in some magics, though shadowscale were an elite small number. Nowhere near enough to repel an invasion, in which every soldier could use magic with relative ease (Elves).
Axton The Storyteller Argonians are well versed in magic actually. The magic they use is not the 'on demand' style of fireballs and atronachs. They use slow, earthly magic. They are very well versed in restoration magic and use their shamans to enact ceremonies to draw magicka from the Hist. They are not experts like the Bretons or the High Elves but are about as good as the Imperials or the Dunmer.
Axton The Storyteller it is part of the lore that nords, redguards, and orcs are superior in strength to everything, the argonians have no more muscular than an imperial
Yeah that's what I meant, they're skilled in restoration and slow acting magic. That literally is the hist and how it works. I was talking about conjuration, destro and all that jazz. And the other guy, it's not written anywhere that Argonians aren't physically capable. I was just basing it off of real life reptiles and cold blooded creatures. The genomes of some species of reptilians have been known to possess 100% motor recruitment. While we humans only use a portion of our muscle fibres. I was using science not lore. I didn't say anything about cold weather or hot weather, where did that come from? So all benefits of cold blood are completely devoid because they 'could' die without basking? Your arguments sure are tactless you know. Also whats with the msg spam? Chill homie, no need to get worked up.
Regardless of their past, they are a /capable/ group, and have the potential. I am hoping to see some positive changes for them in the next Elder Scrolls game.
I can see it now Argonians:We can breathe underwater Historian:I can just make a water-breathing potion Argonian:Well the best pirate ever was one of us Historian:Yeah, but you're ruled by trees Argonians:*walks away*
There's 2 ways to look at this. Are the Argonians a weak race? Individually, yes. Especially since they rely on the hist. As a group: not the weakest. Their grouping up is their strength. In fact, the weakest *race* might be the Orcs, on the group level. The problem with the Orcs is that they are not very tribal. They don't actually have a tribe of their own. They are spread out throughout Tamriel in every province. This is why they keep being defeated by races that may be weaker on an individual level, but nevertheless know how to team up. Argonians worked very well together against the deadra.
Maybe the hist happened to collect the soul of a dragon or two, making it possible and likely that they created a dragonborn to stop Alduin from destroying them.
I personally LOVE argonians they're just so interesting and badass. The weird alien vibe they give off is just so cool. Although khajiits are my favorite race. I think argonian culture prevents growth. But as individuals they're genius thieves, assassins, con men and just all around badass. I'm kind of hoping that the argonians have a trick up their sleeve like some kind of wild hunt caliber power an they use it to bring the golden age to argonia. Another thing is that all other races of man could be considered weak. I mean they were and are dominated by elves. I want the raves of man and beast, and some races of mer, to rise up and destroy the thalmor. The only races I dislike are altmer and dunmer. I kinda like the aesthetic of dunmer but other than that I dislike them.
An easily concluded theory for me was that the hist is so in tune with nature that when it sensed the imbalance of daedra pouring into the world it sent the argonians as soldiers to restore that balance.
When Men and Elfs go extint... when even the mighty Daedra falls to weakness... The Hist and their Argonians will survive... They're wating for the moment to ReConquer Tamriel...
The only issue I have with the Hist learning through Argonian bodies is that in Lord of Souls it’s mentioned that the further you get from Black Marsh, the harder it is for you to hear the Hist, so I doubt they have that kind of power.
It could be that the strength of their communion with the Hist trees depends on their proximity not necessarily to the Hist but to where the Hist want them to be.
Ok for those don't know, in the oblivion crisis when the gates started open in each province of skyrim. The argonians not only defended black marsh they started the other side of the gate. They had to close the gate. There is a whole video explaining this on Smikes channel
James Benedict The meme at the beginning speaks of how the only reason they survived the Oblivion Crisis is because their owners (the host trees) warned them.
Snailybob they didn't just warn them they mutated their bodies into monsters, they controlled them though a hive mind and they built new bodies for ones that had been killed, if not for this black marsh would have suffered like all other provinces
Me: *won't listen for 5 minutes in a school history class*
Me: *uses free time to watch a 23 minute video on the history of a fictional race of lizard people*
Mainly it's how it's presented. History needs to be dealt in a romantic type of way, just dropping in facts won't make it likeable, but more like a chore.
This video is done with music, visuals and a pleasing voice not just telling you about Argonians, but doing it in a tone (complimented greatly by the music) to make you WANT to know more.
To be fair, a lot of the importance in history is in those facts: if you don't know the sequence specific events occur, you may question things incorrectly or build yourself a foundation of false knowledge that a later teacher will have to rebuild to get you up to speed with what they're teaching (we've all seen this kind of thing in math, for example, where a teacher might have to spend more time teaching 1 specific student more because they don't have as good a grip on the fundamentals).
Teaching in a romantic way can make more of it stick, but a lot of vital information could easily be overlooked, and then there's the most important thing: effort. It's very time-consuming to create romantic ways to teach something substantial. Teaching romantically may make things stick better, but it's also much more effort on the teacher who is going to have to teach not only that one particular subject, but possibly 2 or 3 other subjects in High School and Middle School, and in junior college your professors may also have to teach several different subjects, and in post-grad your professors are also conducting their own research projects, to say nothing of continuing education for teachers.
Funny how that works
I find school history more fictional than elder scrolls.
maybe not that much...
KC Halcomb yes, that is true, HOW you present those facts is even more important, because if no one listens to those facts, there's no point is telling those facts.
Storytellers are historians who embellish a little to make everyone know the story. Every conspiracy theory has one thing in common, they tell a great story as to why those theories are true.
Daedra: we're invading
argonians: no, *we're* invading
Reverse
@@josephleece682 uno reverse
Just imagine if the argonians where successful in taking control over oblivion they would be the true overlords of nirn and the hist the god over their realms
Lizard boys entering the Oblivion Gates: "YOU THINK THIS PLACE IS UNINHABITABLE!?"
Hist Trees: _Say 'Sike' right now!_
Mehrunes Dagon: *opens numerous portals from a hellish alter-dimension, unleashing screaming hordes of nightmarish creatures into Black Marsh*
Hist-drunk Argonians: "It's free real estate"
*proceed to slaughter all the daedra and reverse-invade the hellscape of Oblivion*
"Wait, That's Illegal"
Dagon : now this is the daedra threat level
hahahahh
It’s so strange that they can’t fight off a race of humanoids, yet they can completely dominate hell itself
MobzillaLongTail exactly, like imagine doom guy, dude fucked hell in the ass, but fucking died in Vietnam in the first three seconds
The world: floods
Argonians: we are inevitable
Waterbreathing enchantment would be on every helmet
@@Apple_Apporu argonians can breathe underwater lol
@@dallas1167 i know that, i was talking about the other races that can't breathe so they mass produce water breathing helmets
Sir Lenzo or use the water breathing spell
Boats:
What’s an argonian’s favorite school subject?
Hist tree
😂
Nice
Lol
That made me smile, well done very well done.
Hah
What sounds better, being a walking crocodile/alligator who is immune to most poisons or being a walking kitten who can be easily addicted to crushed sugar
😂
Be a walking addict to crushed crocodile
if your on pc and play argonian you should install brutish argonians then you really look like an alligator but yeah thats cool but on the other hand there skill allocation are all over the place
Walking crocodile.
Not to mention they're descendants of a tree that is thought to be the oldest living organism on Nirn. But to be honest, being the descendants of Daedra (pretty much demons) is more badass in my opinion, good ole Dark Elves and Orcs. Call me edgy if you want, that's just my personal preference.
Argonians haven't been the best warriors as a race, but maybe that's because they're less warmongering than other races. It seems to me that Argonians as a culture aren't obsessed with conquering other races or racial supremacy. They only seemed to get riled up in self defense or justified revenge. They're not obsessed with war and dominance. Sort of like a kid who could be a better fighter but doesn't see the point of constantly being an asshole.
Argonians are actually pretty good warriors, at least considering what they did during the Oblivion Crisis. The Daedra invading Black Marsh got their asses kicked, and they didn't stop there, they even invaded Oblivion successfully before Dagon's lieutenants closed the gates so they wouldn't be overrun.
Unfortunately, the world favors aggressive, self-righteous expansionist assholes xD
+VYNLT Can you name a single playable race in Elder Scrolls lore that aren't "pretty good warriors"? I know I can't.
VYNLT There is no proof of Argonians invading Oblivion that was only propaganda from the Argonian equivalent of the Thalmor.
ACEnBEAKY lol in skyrim i was an argonian and i was decent at magic and i was a powerful warrior and i was a ninja as well.
I guess Argonians became slaves because it was the will of the Hist, slaves are shipped everywhere, and because the Hist can connect to all Argonians, they are the perfect spies (for the Hist), I guess it's kinda like how Nocturna works with thieves (gives them luck when necessary, but not always).
And may I applaude the ability for Argonians to adapt? They are pretty much everywhere, even Skyrim's cold climate doesn't seem to affect them that much, their knack for lockpicking and stealth (second ONLY to Khajits), connection to the Hist, waterbreathing, resiliance to toxins and illnesses. The perfect spies.
(As good as the Hist exists, Argonians will easily outlive all the races).
i'd say they would be on par with khajit .... their sneak and lockpick bonus are just reversed .
I agree with this. It makes sense to me that the hist subjegate the argonians to other races atrocities to 1) improve the hists knowledge of the other provinces and 2) grow a racial resentment of other races for the argonians, which further makes them rely on the hist
The second fact i think is backed by the genocidal views of the leading argonian party
Oh my god the hist plan of conquest... Hell yes badass lizard people for the win
No one other race seems to have the endurance that the argonians exhibit
If so then that would mean since the hist lives within the argonian race wouldn't that also mean when a argonian dies could a hist sapling sprout up if the area was hospitable and flourishing such as the other sentient tree the eldergleam perhaps the hist have already taken over skyrim and the war and ulfrik are a result of hist manipulation and maybe even be the reason the dragons returned to nirn all hail the hisssst
Personally, I think this is building up to the argonians just going batshit crazy and suddenly becoming powerful and invading tamriel.
golden marvelous ES7: Argonia.
It’s literally all of Tamriel but they renamed if after the Argonians killed everyone else
Thomas takes a toll for the dark Next elder scrolls game what should happen is The Thalmor invade black marsh and go extinct
They letteraly could
@@poliewogz7964 literally*
Thomas takes a toll for the dark
DING DING DING WOW YOU CORRECT MY GRAMMAR iM sO gRaTfUl YOU DESERVE A MEDAL DONT YOU, YOU HAVE PROVEN YOUR HIGHER INTELLECT ITS NOT LIKE ITS UA-cam COMMENTS OR SOMETHING AND YOU COULD STILL UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS SAYING BUT NO YOU ARE SUCHH A HERO
"Elves that you know and love" making a lot of assumptions here
Damned elves
mhmm
I think you mean "knife-eared yellow Nazis"
I’m angry. ANGRY ABOUT ELVES
Glass of water Talos must be worshipped
everybody gangsta till the lizards go full doom slayer lol
BFG division intensifies
Weak
Abserd O lmao
Though something similar. Sick comment xD🤟🏻
Argonians are punks
It would be interesting if more Argonians took to the sea, either as merchants or pirates, being able to breathe water (seems salinity ain't a problem with them) may be a huge advantage for them, and maybe it could be possible for them to actually build underwater cities (the water breathing is indefinite, so why not), ambushing boats from the depths, putting all Tamriel in an economic crisis).
Is not that they're bad, they just don't know how to play their cards.
I believe there are underwater sentient races in elder scrolls. If argonians did go out to sea and went far enough they'd eventually run into issues with the sloads. But I would wager if the argonians were smart they could make powerful aliences with the sloads.
It is very likely that the hist 'adviced' the argonians to not become a race of sailors with underwater cities because it would have ended with the majority of the race abandoning the marsh and the hist.
Miguel Angel Rangel I wish there was more pirate options in Skyrim. Like add some more quest on the lines of being a pirate or a sailor
@@patricklukcy13 don't forget that there are also those weird crab things that were lead my mehrunes dagon himself
I think they did at one point and those became Naga?
Listen i was a lizard wizard that casted blizzards. And i kicked ass
and chew bubblegum? :D
Captain Cokecan I'm not joking I literally did the EXACT same thing.
Captain Cokecan I was always an Argonian BattleMage
Captain Cokecan I play with an Argonian battlemage that decapitates and burns everything. But that's not even close to the COOLNESS of your build
Thaylin's Tales best joke I heard all week
Daedra-we will conquer all and no one can't stop us
Argonians-Hold my beer 🍺
Hold my histsap
*sap
HOLD MY WEED
Hold my mead
Hold my Bloodwine.
You forgot the echo, dude.
It's
"WHAT WE DO IS GO BACK, BACK, BACK, BACK..."
Content cop
hey i just commented this
*what we do here
Imagine a argonian turning into a werewolf but instead of a wolf it’s a tree or spriggan now that would be Immersive as F#$%
No imagine a weredragon of sorts there now wayyy bigger stronger and they now have wings the humans are fucked
They're called WereCrocs.
Something like KillerCroc from the Arkham series.
There is a mod for this : ua-cam.com/video/A1bu5c5_ArQ/v-deo.html
I imagine a midget Godzilla
If anything, knowing that they've made it through such hard times makes me like the Argonians even more. They've always been my favorite Elder Scrolls race.
Adam B I like how durable they are like some kind of fighter rogue and that’s one of my favorite classes
Like riddick
Mine too. #ArgoniansToPower
I really like them but i can't identify with them.
And i don't really like that they are so dependend on the hists.
It would be very cool if they could seperate from the hists and start to do their own thing.
@@justicartiberius8782 why you cant identify with them?
My first character on Elder Scrolls 2 was an Argonian, named Gooza, and since then i have made headcanon playing all the elder scrolls games after that, making an argonian that looked as much like Gooza as i could recreate, all the way up to Skyrim, a bloodline and ancestry of heroes
Omg I do a similar thing, with my Argonian called Alfred... Just Alfred
Mone Saver did he work for a Dunmer named Bruce that fought crime as Cliffracerman?
Same
Lizard dovahkiin
Lizard nerevar
Lizard from eso
Need a name More?
Dunmer Bloodline From Arena To Skyrim
That’s amazing, I’ve done this with my wood elf character in daggerfall, morrowind, oblivion and Skyrim. They all have the last name ‘nightsky’ and they’re a family of archers
"Argonians are weak!" - Probably some knife-ear.
_Servants of Mehrumes Dagon:_ *Intense sweating*
*Daedra enters black marsh*
Daedra: Why do i hear boss music?
Dadra 2: probably ours... right?
Argonian Horde: WRRROOOONG!!!
-oblivion battle music plays-
Argonians are also potentially the smallest race (population wise) and the least advanced, let alone skilled. Argonians, despite being my absolute favorite race, are very much third world compared to the rest of Tamriel. Even the Bosmer have more advancements and skill than the Argonians. They aren't nearly as magically inclined as Bretons, Altmer, or even Dunmer and Imperials. They don't have a culture that's centered around combat and endurance like the Redgaurds, Bosmer, Orsimer, and Nords. And they aren't nearly as agile or stealthy as Khajiits. Argonians are very much adapted to their homeland and that's all the Hist felt was necessary for the Argonians as a whole. So long as the Argonians are capable of surviving and thriving within Black Marsh, the Hist is safe.
This is part of the reason I want a Black Marsh-centric TES game. I want Bethesda to potentially explore a way for the Argonians to become an entity that exist separate from the Hist. I think it would be cool, if a civil war of sorts erupted and allowed for the player to choose whether the Argonians should remain connected to the Hist or to magically separate the Argonians as a whole from the Hist. It could even involve a Deadric Prince becoming interested in the entire affair as a potential opportunity to gain a hold on the Argonian race. Like what if Molag Bol or even Malacath were become interested. I mean, as the Deadric Prince of Vengeance, he could easily become the patron to a race who have been beaten down all their history.
This is the greatest comment on all of UA-cam.
Or maybe Peryite could do it.
Would be interesting and ironic since he has hold over diseases and Argonians are highly resistant to diseases. While Black Marsh is probably packing a lot of toxic stuff/diseases that is dangerous to non-Argonians.
And since he is considered to be the(sadly) weakest of the Daedra Princes and is often seen as a dragon, I see he might do that for a reason like that.
If the hist allows argonians to defeat the deadra I doubt normal argonians could fair that is if they are seen as a threat at all to the hist
Well snow elf’s actually have the smallest population totalling to about 1-3 and I’m not counting the falmer
The Dunmer can see to that of their small population.
Pfft any race that invaded the Daedra (who are literally infinite) at a time when they were taking a steaming dump on the rest of Tamriel and not only beat them but beat them so soundly on their home turf that the Dremora commanders were forced to seal THEIR OWN PORTALS to avoid being overrun can never be called weak. All hail the An-Xileel.
JmonsterTW They're still literal mind slaves of Sithis worshipping trees. They're literally every race's bitch.
JmonsterTW well when God trees are on your side it's hard to lose
Luke Price what’s wrong with worshipping something you know is real? If sentient tree gods create me and unlock my potential I’m pretty sure I’d worship them too. It’s better than some of the literal demons that get worshipped by some
Luke Price The only thing Argonians lose to is shitty writing
I was hoping somebody would mention this
Okay but consider this :
Dremora general : first line onward ! "Oblivion army moves through the portal"
Dremora general : okay no-
"Not even 5 minutes after a bunch of bloodied daedra squirm out of the portal."
" Oversized geckos start flooding in, slaughtering every daedra they see"
Dremora general: what in the fuckery of molag Bal is this ?!"
Mehrune, scared shitless: CLOSE THE FOCKIN PORTALS, NOW !
Holy fuck this killed me
"what in fuckery of Molag Bal"
*daughter of coldharbour memories intensifies*
From what you told me, they have one of the most powerful abilities in the world. They can adapt. All of the other races might "stomp them". Yet they will survive long after their overlords. They don't need to win the battle. They just need to survive the war. Because while the world literally burns, these lizards will be able to adapt better than all of the other races.
I think the Hist helped with the Oblivion crisis because to get that super juice, it would have taken a lot of energy to make. Why waste such a precious resource? Especially when the lizards can survive the constant oppression and subjugation of multiple races?
To me, what is more impressive then the military victories is the aftermath. The truth is that the empire is practically reliant on their conquest. Without it they become stale and break apart. Argonians suffered but endured. That endurance is one of their most defining qualities and it is why I can't help but admire them. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they were just literally waiting the other races out. Like a bad storm. Just stay indoors until the storm clears and go outside. Heck, the other races already underestimate them. I wonder if that is exactly what the Argonians were waiting for.
But how would I know? (:D
That reminds me of the forsworn actually, and you're right. The fact that the argonians live in the hashest area of blackmarch also speaks loads of their adaptibility.
All in the hists plan
Argonians are the epitome of “life isn’t a boxing match, it’s an endurance challenge.” Knock them down all you want, they’re going to outlast you because they can adapt to absolutely anything and everything. They’ll still be hanging out in black marsh when the rest of the men and mer have gone extinct
@@thalassaer4137all of it is hist plan.
Argonians have a Histree of being beaten
Thaylin's Tales
obviously lmao
tyson mccorkle heh puns
tyson mccorkle I see what you did there 😂
tyson mccorkle SHUT UP :(
Yeah, except when the Oblivion Crisis happened.
The HISTORY of the HIST TREES.
Choice Snarf HIST-T-REE X,3
They are sentient trees of unknown origins that communicate with the races that also may or may not try to brainwash you.
Anyone reconize the power histskin in skyrim for the argonian
Sithis made hist to help some lizards.
Lizards were simple animals but after driking the hist sap
their evolution sped up and they became human like-
argonians. Argonians worship Sithis and Sithis protects them,
like how during the Oblivion crysis portals to BM closed by
themselves, daedra didnt dare intrude. Empire used to ocupy
only coastline of BM, could never get to the core regions alive.
DB is an open guild in BM.
Lydia Barraclough💚
They lusty as hell tho
40JOHNSON They like taking careers as maids too
@@robertemerson9109 and bards
Echo lift up the tail and do lustful things :)
@@angster4267 plz tell me your being ironic?
Them scales are thicc
Of course my Argonian Dragonborn is powerful, it just took out a whole 5 mudcrabs!!!
TES VI needs to have an Argonian Movement. This’d be a rebellion I’d actually side with.
The Lusty Argonian.. Simple as that.
Nickz Singh HOT
Nickz Singh My argonian character read the and from then on he tried to find the Author to kill him
Yes. Just yes.
Nicholas Singh *1 handed increased by 10*
Brandon Esland S O M E O N E S A Y T H O T?
The Argonians are not really weak. They just have no need to be strong until the Hist deems it so, which is when they become arguably one of the strongest races in the entire Elder Scrolls universe.
The Hist has been known to create the Argonians as sort of their "ambassadors" or envoys in the real world, because they can move and interact with others in ways the Hist can't (yes I AM aware that there are tales of moving Hist but those are just rumours, so I'll disregard them for now)
Argonians serve as their means to stay alive, as both the Elthrosomething war (can't remember that name) and the Dwemer did a good job in decimating their numbers. They are both their children and servants, and so can also be used as really good soldiers.
Considering the Argonians can be produced in masses like a factory and may be reborn this way (which means that you have practically unlimited soldiers) and guerrilla tactics that proved formidable enough to best Daedra in combat to the point of nearly invading the invaders, added to the Hist trees acting like watchtowers in the Black Marsh, and adding THAT yo the fact they are inmune to nearly all diseases in their home, which makes their homeland pretty much un-invadable, and adding to THAT the fact there are giant variations...
I say that Argonians in general are weak compared to the other races in their current state, the current Black Marsh in an open field would not stand a chance against the Altmer or the Nords.
HOWEVER, should the Hist deem it necessary, they could just make the Argonian race a military superpower in a matter of, possibly, just days. They are formidable enough attacking others, and their homeland is not really defeatable without the Hist even trying.
The Hist actually can make them living tanks which they did once.
Correct
I would say the Argonions are not really anything special, aside from their adaptations, rather, the Hist are the only ones who make them so. The Hist could probably do it to any race they wanted, and Argonians were merely convenient. I think it’s clear the Hist the real power.
@@Neuviletteiudexofmemes Exactly. The Argonians are not important, rather, the Hist are the more important ones. They are the "real" masters of Black Marsh.
They are the best
"Cryptic hist-trees..."
"Cryptic hist-ories..."
You're either playing a mad pun game or I'm about to.
Unless you like puns, don't play the game, otherwise you'll summon Camelworks from the mysterious regions of Tamriel. Wait, that's a good thing.
it's not that the argonians are always treaded on
it's that the Hist are playing the LONG game.
They took the best defensible place in the continent and uplifted the most flexible and adaptable species there.
Notice how deep black marsh is never conquered? that's what the hist care for.
Eventually, their time will come and it will make the oblivion crisis look like a nice vacation.
Remember when he said that the hists collect the dead argonians memories? I think the hist trees allow the argonians to be slaves so they can have argonians in other provinces to learn more about what is going on around tamriel. Almost like spying on the other races, what they know, and what they plan to do. Maybe an Argonian in Morrowind discovered some secret that Dagon was coming to Nirn, but the Argonian was killed shortly after. Then, the hist tree would know, thus calling the argonians together to protect them. Good theory, huh?
@@phnoxie8312 no u
@@phnoxie8312 I am
Solid theory.
Pretty good theory!
No. The same could be achieved by allowing them to be a free, strong people.
I like the Orcs and dark elves the most but the Argonians arent weak. They saved the Nords and Dark elves with 3 gods on their side from Ice Giants from Akavar. They never lost a war because they never even acknowledge they're attacked. Sure, other races took some undefended camps outside the swamps near morrowind as slaves but they never got conquered. Any band of slave catchers can catch round up a village that doesn't defend itself. Catching slaves isnt an exercise of superiority. its hard to call yourself the winner of a game the other guy isnt even playing. They only 2 wars they fought, they won handly. Dark elves and daedra are the only times the Argonians stopped chilling in a swamp and organized and marched for war. They beat the Dark elves pretty easily even though it was mostly a surprise attack of sorts but they never got repelled. They stopped advancing. big difference. The difference between a war with a victor and a complete genocide. They kept the lands they took gave the Dunmer more causalties than the oblivion cirsis itself (that could be untrue though, another unreliable narrator effect). They didnt have a government until the oblivion cirsis really and since then, theyve done better than every race except the 3 race faction of the Aldermeri Dominion.
People who look down on the argonians judge them on very odd criteria. Like did they conquer other nations, did they own slaves? The ability was always there, they are the jack of trade race, with fighters, mages, and stealth all rolled into their character makeup in-game. But their culture never desired anything but to be left alone in black marsh. So thats what they do. The Argonians' goals are a mystery now, with their new government ignoring the thalmor's request to meet but theyre the biggest problem the thalmor have right now aside from the redguards who are in open rebellion. Because this era is the first time theyve even looked up to see what the other races are doing after eras of ignoring them. Now they have more territory than ever and for the first time, a military.
It should be weird to see the Summerset Isles and Black Marsh interact now that xenophobic political parties have been in power over 200 years now in both region
Dark elves are racist and pathetic
@@retroalienfreakazoid9491 They seem more stuck up than racist, especially the Thalmor. The Nords seem to be the most racist group, especially the ones directly under Ulfric.
Well, it shows a lack of mental ability or empathy for their own kind, if they wouldn't do anything to rescue their enslaved kin.
@turk turkleton I couldn´t have said it better.
And the Nord in Eastmarch aren´t racist, the dunmer just refuse to understand the nord. Argonians have been accepted in Windhelm society, choosing to stay out of the city to avoid tensions with the nord and the dunmer. There are even three High Elves in Windhelm that all have rather successful businesses, meaning that the Nord don´t have a problem traiding with them.
The Dunmer on the other hand, act like the Nord must give them roofs and food, while also stealing from them and openly saying things like "I dont care if the butcher kills another nord women." (I´m paraphrasing, don´t remember their exact words.
You’re forgetting that the Argonians sacked the Dunmer in an invasion of Morrowind. It’s mentioned in the DLC Dragonborn. They’re also recognised as top stealth and assassins. The Shadowscales as an example. You’re also forgetting the Bosmer and Khajiit who’ve been treated as slaves by the Altmer.
You can absolutely not call a race weak when it drives the daedra away all the way into their portals which they had to shut down because they would have been overrun!
I didn't say they were the strongest race, they can lose fights.
Okay you win calm down.
Beast Titan yeah and what if they have god trees if they have god trees god trees are part of their strength
Jake S it's all relative every race did this
13:01 If Argonians can survive that then its clear which race is the strongest
There is one point I am surprised you didn't make during all of this, aside from the argonian's being more of a symbiotic in nature with the hist, that they are the only race to survive conquests, look at the races such as snow elves, sea elves and others that once conquered for the most part vanished from the face of Tamriel. Also another thing to remember is the Argonian's do consume what is essentially the blood of the hist, to be symbiotic there must be a balance, otherwise it becomes a parasitic bond, meaning the enslaved argonian's may not be just pawns but actually purged by the collective whole to prevent that symbiotic state from becoming corrupt.
wait there was sea elves?
+burnn5150 There are Sea Elves still on Tamriel,they just don’t leave Pyandonea.
*In mother black marsh, land protect you*
XD
I met sheogorath during the peak of my first acid trip while playing as an Argonian LizardWizard named Lord Bongwater III. I learned the meaning of humility in a way I never had before when the character responds to Sheogorath by asking him what he "asks" of him instead of what he would tell him to do. I now dream as this lizard and he and I have spiritually bonded through dimensions.
*sees a skyrim meme*
*rants for 23 minutes on YT*
+Meme graveyard hahahaha
Worth it.
*Watches all of the UA-cam video, comments on it*
vinnade the gamer What's wrong with you? why are you so upset?
upset?-? dude you don't know me at all or how i work if i was upset you would never know its online i was perfectly calm while typing those comment .-_.- commenting things like that is a normal day for me plus i really hate lies
Woah! Last time I was this early the blades were still protecting the emperor!
Dremora Dutchess 😂😂😂😂
Dremora Dutchess 😂😂😂😂
Dremora Dutchess Last time I was this early, the graphics looked like shit!
Dremora Dutchess Last time I was this early, magnus and his buddies were still hanging around
Dremora Duchess Last time I was this early Sithis was still pumping out Aedra and Daedra.
Argonian:
Face says lizard,
Body says mammal,
Normal people say no,
Furries say yes.
High Definition Apollo can you really call them furries if they're covered in scales?
Matthew Chirino Scalrries
But the underwater breathing comes in handy......that's about it
Sabertooth I use it a lot because I use that extra push from water when going downstream to get areas faster
people who are attracted to reptilians are called scalies, so... i regret googling what a scalie is.
13:37
FudgeMuppet: "Full Scale War"
Argonian: "What is a Scale War?"
Argonian Beavis: "Are you threatening me?"
“all war is full scale war, how can a child of the hist remove their scales?”
Say that to my oblivion character who beat the shit out of everyone with his bare hands
I have a theory that Argonians have some kind of low-key hive mind through the Hist. The way they sometimes refer to themselves in plural ("It is our most favored company") even when alone has always intrigued me.
I always thought that it's a cultural thing with the Argonians that you're considered a friend to not just one person, but the entire group. Hence the habit of using plurals.
*Soviet national anthem plays*
Yes its most def a hive mind throught the hist,the trees made them that way since birth
I been playing as an Argonian since I first started on TES, there is such thing as loyalty, there is more to it than their abilities or how they look or any of that superficial shit. LOYALTY
Fits then, argonians value loyalty to a huge extent in lore, according to the wiki
The most badass part was when THEY FORCED A DEMON ARMY TO RETREAT.
Their customization options made me love them, and then their homeland, then their abilities, then their history, then their situation, and then their resemblence to a dragon.
HAIL ARGONIA
Hail Sithis.
Jesse Decker why I RP my character as a shadow scale 👍
Well, dragonborne they say, how close to a Dragon can you get then be a lizard man?
Hail The Hist
America Fuck yea keep calm and always praise the Hist
My theory on the topic is two fold, either that the Argonians are the most benevolent race and don't want to hurt the other races...Or the Hist trees saved their power for when it mattered most (Being the Oblivion crisis). I don't consider the Argonians weak, in fact they have some of the most powerful strategic assets if you look at it from Sun Tzu's Art of war.
Their history just proves how enduring their race are.
My group of friends used to debate about the beast races. I was the only one to rep argonians. Good to know there are others.
The Argonians aren't weak, their home just makes them isolationist and thus, not as advanced industry as the rest of the world.
And not as though they aren't incapable of advancing. In their early history they made enormous stone pyramids (nowadays they embrace the idea of impermanence as a virtue and the cycle of rebirth), and nowadays argonians are notably talented alchemists and artisans, and seemingly have some very talented armorsmiths
"At least, the ghost saying it is canon"
Holy shit! Thank you! Pisses me off when people take the word of a character as if they have perfect knowledge of the world and its history.
I am king emperor of the universe.... there it's canon because I said so.
I agree, it always pisses me off, as if every little side character is suppose to have word of god authority over a story, god forbid an author might want to use an unreliable narrator.
Subjectivity is a common theme in the Elder Scrolls lore.
Just look at the "Biography of Barenziah" and "the real Barenziah".
People who do take NPC dialogue as final have never played older TES games, or even heard of dragon breaks (Which are not even that hard to understand).
@@rekzzak it happens in all stories.
I started writing fanfiction as writing practice a few years ago and basically became the fudgemuppet of the Naruto universe (Great universe, shite main plot) and I've corrected so many mistakes on the series at this point that sonetimes I just stop mid paragraph and click off the comment to save the headache.
One of the best examples is the simple fact that people often cite the words of a particular character, who I shall not spoil in case you wanna ever watch that series, as lore and truth.
Buuuuuut for the entire series his entire shtick is that of a deceiver, he's literally planning everything in an attempt to be veiled in darkness, actively striving to place himself as the one kept on the wrong side of history.
And pretty much everything he says or does is to that end, so he's highly unreliable as a source.
Especially when he's expositioning at one character in particular who he's most concerned about deceiving for personal reasons, but his words are still commonly cited and it drives me mental.
Subjective opinions are everywhere in story and lore and its maddening when people fail to realize that we're just spectating characters, not being told objective truths as an all knowing god.
Yeah that's why I find it incredulous that in The Dark Knight, people took the Joker at his word that he never had a plan. The dude lied constantly throughout the entire movie.
It seems like the Argonians aren't a powerhouse but they are very resilient and united (something that can't be said about most of the other races). They is a good chance they will outlive all the races of man and mer and khajiit who are (excluding the Khajiit because I am unsure about them on this topic) constantly fighting or dealing with civil unrest, or having grand ambitions which eventually lead to destruction.
Concerning your theory at the end, I like it. The hist seem to act like a secret organization, The Argonians aren't seen as a threat. It could all be some long con conspiracy for them to take over Mundus.
Reply if you agree with minors doing drag
it's all about that waterbreathing. i end up making my early fortunes by harvesting the rivers & sea
having a dragon-like argonian be the "Dragonborn" is pretty cool. is a dragon ancestor the reason for the character's ability to use dragon language shouts?
@@PyrokineticFire1 my brother first heard about skyrim and played an argonian named Sobek. He later introduced me to the game and i play an argonian named Daws too. Therefore i am his descendant
No one
I picked argonian because water breathing. I figured itd be a lot more useful than it was
@@mikewatts9562 lol yeah. can't even swing a sword under water.
So what your saying is that if the center of Black Marsh is threatened then they are called back to defend as super lizards. So in a way the Argonians will never die out, they can hold up in the center and if that is breached. The hist will supply them the power to drive off the invades. Black Marsh is the only province that is immune to invasion. If someone were to try and genocide all argonians, then they could go home and no one could get them, kind of like the argonians swampy hearth. In acient greece, the hearth was a scared thing, you couldnt attack someone there, and even if people didnt like you, they had to defend you. So in long terms, argonians can never be truly defeated.
That's actually a really good point, in essence they can't be truly defeated or have there homeland taken from them ever.
I play Skyrim.
Face it. You're Dragonborn, play an Argonian
I wouldn't say they are weak, there is a reason why Argonian shadowscales make some of the best assassins, and they are essentially stronger men with resistances to poison and disease, they are amphibious giving them huge advantages. they rather have a tribal style of culture and are more passive and submissive towards the world than other races of tamriel. many of them are enslaved by dark elves and yet many remain relatively peaceful.
They face a lot of political and social adversity because they are a beast race, and their submissive lifestyle makes them more vulnerable.
Their lack of interest in conquest has made them vulnerable to conquest though as a species, argonians are most certainly not weak.
They are just more primitive. With the knowledge and technology of the elves they could potentially be one of the most dangerous races in Tamriel.
I think breathing underwater while being self aware is an amazing trait and strength to have. There are so many fights/conflicts that give you a defensive advantage if you are by the ocean or body of water by simply swimming away or waiting under water for quite sometime.
I kind of want to watch Black Marsh in Arena atm, especially the central locations.
I wish we'd get a better look at this Hist and the lore of Argonia in a future game. I don't expect it, but I hope we do.
Derek Barnett i hope not and i hope they dont uncover to much on the dweamer either
Derek Barnett If 6 is Black Marsh, there BETTER BE an angry old orc that tells you to get out of his swamp.
As a species they have definitely been screwed over, but from an Argonian point of view they don't feel that their weak.
From the perspective of men or elf i can see how they think there weak, slaves from the beginning of history, have not conquered anyone and barely defended their land, However, maybe the Argonians are just swamp folk who want to be left alone? Perhaps the epiphany of their existence is hanging out with the hist trees, we simply do not know enough about their culture.
When prompted they have attempted to defend their lands, charged head on into oblivion gates, put a halt on the daedra invasion of their lands and took it to the enemy Dagon , that has to be respected. Their perfectly suited to their habitat, and when properly organised they are very effective.
Regardless of lore, they make a great character to play as, assassin, theif, ghost, berserker warlord, battle Mage.
Keep up the great vids fudgemuppet. 👍
Jason Adams the only reason they defeated the Daedra was because either was the his controling and buffing them
Iron Wolf oh yeah the hist did supe em up, but they still owned the daedra during that particular conflict.
Jason Adams but only because of the hist, without them they would have suffered like everyone else, so it was the hist that beat the Daedra, not the argonians
Preach it! Argonians are my second favorite race, right under the mighty orcs!
Iron Wolf - With that logic, the Argonians were not needed and the Hist could of and should have defeated them their self. But alas, that is not the case, is it?
Weak? In the time of the oblivion crisis the Argonians were the only Race who fought the Deadra back, invaded them and fought so tough, that the Deadra retreated. I think the Argonians are absolutly Beasts and fearsome Warriors.
Marshal That's not that impressive to be honest. PC in Oblivion destroyed whole armies of Daedra single handedly, and the Altmer and Bosmer and other races fought back Mehrune's hordes pretty handedly as well.
Marshal Yes but only because the HIST gave them that power. If it weren't for the HIST then they would have been butchered like the other races.
Angelus "something something hist"
That's everything people know to write?
Pedro Sedoso but it is true
Angelus The Hist are just as much a part of the Argonians as the magical talent of Elves and the brutish strength of the Orcs. If you make the argument "If the Argonians didn't have the Hist," that would be the equivalent of saying "Well if the Orcs didn't have their warrior prowess.."
I so wish ES6 would be set in Blackmarsh.
I'm pretty sure it's in Hamerfell, maybe for 7?
@@wildbeast7375 Assuming it actually happens.
Maybe blackmarsh and elsyr
@@RXTRUX1 assuming? Lmao Bethesda will continue to milk the franchise that is known as Elder Scrolls
Please no
Most of the reasons people give for the Argonians being weak - that they were conquered by Cyrodiil and defeated by Morrowind - can also be levelled at the nords yet nobody seems to do so because they assume that nords = vikings = strong.
Nords were forged in battle and Atmora(essentially the N.Pole) , Argonians were made by Trees wanting low-skilled labor .
Nords fought Dragons and won , Argonians won the Daedra - after being good little slaves and consuming the fluids their masters spilled on them as instructed .
Argonians without the Hist are like the tribes in Africa or the Amazon rain-forest in our world - they are cute and good to study but if you mention their military strength or their civilization's achievements you are either joking or being a lunatic.
The Nord's had an Empire. The first human empire. One that covered high rock, Skyrim and morrowind. They conquered all of Skyrim from the elf's with only 500 warriors and they hunted the dragons to extinction. Need I say more?
JDoc idk about S. America but Africa has shown a decent amount of military prowess post Shaka. It’s kinda not fair to judge Africa’s fighting forces because, before Shaka Zulu, a war for them was a small non fatal dispute between tribes. But then Shaka changed that and is remembered as one of the greatest military minds. (Sorry for tangent)
argonians are far from weak, their problem is they arent united nearly enough. if you look at lore in eso they are actually coordinated well for once thanks to the pact and they can actually show how efficient and advanced they are to the point of almight telvanni mages actually respecting hist magic used by their slaves. and about them getting pushed back from morrowind, do you guys realize morrowind is easily the worst place for argonians to fight in right? they are reptilians which thrive in humidity, and morrowind is the extreme opposite of humidity. its a land of ash and soot. and even with that disadvantages for the argonians, dunmer had to fight tooth and nail to get them out of their lands. dont get me wrong, dunmer is, in general, is has a fair bit more accomplishments as a race than argonians(or anybody else really), but argonians did quite a lot of damage on them.
its not exactly fair to call any race "weak" cus they lost to empire, because talos had reached chim, which means he is the most powerful god. we also see plenty of times where empire got beaten back as well when talos is away.
but to claim nords are weak cus they got shrekt is unbelievably wrong as well. talos, the literal god, was a nord. majority of the dragonborns were nords. if thats not enough lets not forget the 500 and ysgramor. nords are, from a military standpoint, is probably the most accomplished race in the history of tamriel. and they never truly lost to the dunmer as well, their nedic ancestors nearly destroyed the dunmers ancestors, the chimer. chimer had to result in using the brothers of strife just to be able to survive. and nords got quite a lot more achievements than just those as well.
finally someone backing up the argonians. im no lore expert but lets be honest. to call any race in tamriel weak is not exactly correct considering their competition (E.I: nords, red guard, altmer, etc etc). even the khajiit are some what tough. though their generally related to stealth they aren't restricted to it (to my knowledge). well i'll go now before it seems like im disagreeing with you, bye
Theory:
You know how they say that the stars are the lesser Aedra who escaped back to Atherius when the Mundus was created.
What if the Hist are those who remained in the Mundus?
there's a little something to chew on.
Grammsay I... first off: Magni Gi. Different from Aedra.
Second off: that is kinda brilliant. I mean, Magnus is the god of Magic and it makes sense that those who wished to remain would choose to have a calmer life style where they can just contemplate everything
Well
The ones who stayed on Nirn are the Divines, the Daedra, and the mortal races.
@@akai4942 lesser CAN YOU READ?
To oblivion and back, as they say!
That line suddenly got a lot more meaning after I watched this video. :D
Derkeekis is my follower and i think he is pretty my rikling is better than
Huh?
I dismiss the notion that cultural value is derived from the ability to dominate others.
Those that fail to dominate are dominated. These dominated cultures cease to exist.
Pyro Paragon yet argonians have survived domination after domination
@@mobzillalongtail Your point being? Argonians speak Tamrielic.
Pyro Paragon you say that dominated cultures die. Yet argonians are still around, they’re very durable and adaptive
@@mobzillalongtail cultures, no species
argonians have lost much of their culture
they nearly lost the mnetic egg.
I believe that the hist will play a role in the upcoming games, looking through what we know about these trees is that the hist is able to create life from its sap. These trees are found all around Nirn and Argonian tribes usually form around these trees. I don't think that these trees are just sentient trees that the argonians use for their sap and cultural purposes...i think there is much more to that, we know that most of these trees are centered in Black Marsh, a place that is lethal to other races when nearing the center. I think that the argonians are the creations of the Hist, a entity powerful enough to create and shape life, a deity. The Hist takes the memories from the argonians upon death, and giving that soul a new body, the argonians are the pawns of the Hist, using them as spies and assets. Gavering knowledge about other races, the hist is eternal, so it might be that for it, hours are minutes, days are hours time flies quicker for it, it knows all, it's seen every war, expierenced it with every death of a argonian, it is able to give strength and courage to the argonians. For now it does what it needs to survive, studying, evolving, growing new trees in new locations maybe since the dwemer cut most down for wood, replenishing it's strength, and maybe planing domination. Or it is just a tree...a sentient tree protecting it self, like we see some trees do in real life, by releasing toxins from its roots so no plant grows near it, stealing it's water and nutrition from the soil below it.
Idk if they are weak but...Lusty Argonian Maid seems OP
Trey Greypaws but of course. The maid makes sure her food is never undercooked and that her weapons are always polished. I hear she is very patient as well.
The argonians figuratively kicked mehrune dagon's armies's collective asses in the deadric invasion.
They inhabited the land before elves and humans, they are the primeval inhabitants of Tamriel.
Rainman Slim and technically natives, Tamriel should’ve belonged to them, but those filthy Men and Mer came along and ruined everything.
altmer were the first
Well the dark brotherhood was found of having them hell the trained then from birth basically to serve the dark brotherhood
Being very isolationist and Tribal in nature it would make sense for Argonions to not have Much a history outside of blackmarsh.
The Argonians are the Enigma race, Anything you know of them can only come from any of them that happen to leave Blackmarsh. If the Argonians were more active they would be much tougher and have a bigger footprint in tamriel. Major disease and poison resistance, the ability to breath underwater. Possible ability to gain bird like quality's and perhaps ability to adapt to their environments over generations(for example Skyrim Argonians gain feathers and horns, Tamriel argonians having fins since they are closer to blackmarsh,)
Basically are the Argonians weak. no not really. they just don't have the will to be conquerors like every other race They just keep to themselves deep within black marsh. They are very powerful When they want to be. They stay with their Gods. any argonians on the fringes of blackmarsh are few and far between and not as unified
Yeah they willingly regress as a civilization. In ESO their pyramids or xanmeer still stand but they stopped developing cities simply because the hist trees told them so.
Knowledge
Actually, not all argonians are hatched in the marsh. There are example of the eggs being harvested from the Hist trees where they are nested and being sold of to what's meant to be originally for slavery in the invasion of Black Marsh.
who exactly are you responding to? Cause there is literally no context behind your words in this chain.
We all know that Nords are weakest, cause you know, they are white.
I mean i havent watched the video yet, but they *DID* invade oblivion
i mean if you roided up the orcs like the hist did the argonians and sent them in then we would have more orcish strongholds to explore
I think the Daedra closed the Gates before they actually invaded, unless I'm mistaken
Keebler Elf You do know that the Champion of Cyrodiil defeated whole armies of Oblivion on his own?
+Luke Price He did? When?
Aaaaalso, it's the Champion of Cyrodiil. Aka an incredibly powerful being that stands among the greatest and most powerful mortals to have ever existed.
The fact HE was able to do it, and not entire nations, who were instead being overrun, says more about the hero's strength than the nation's weakness.
Sin of Pride The Argonians being able to stand up against Mehrunes because of foreknowledge isn't that impressive. Cyrodiil would've done even greater if they had had that same knowledge.
Argonians are based off of cold-blooded reptiles of the real world. Of which their musculature is easily able to support their body weight and then some in all manners of inclines. This muscle strength alone would ruin even a Nord in a strength contest, though that would just be overpowered to put in the game. There is also the the Shadowscales... those motherfuckers are no joke. They can turn out to be hulking were-crocodile juggernauts of death, or sleek wraiths that can put the lightest of Khajiit to shame. Why and how, you ask? Their feet are similarly padded, giving them the same advantages, they also have claws; though they have something the Khajiit don't have. Cold blood... The ability to circulate blood to needed parts of the body and the genetic ability to recruit every muscle fibre at once, an act that would allow full usage of every ounce of strength resulting in almost comical strength at the cost of severe muscle damage (Histskin tho mothafucka, who cares at that point!) Vampires also can't detect them cos you know, cold blood. Can't see that juice if it ain't warm. (Keep in mind that to be this cold would probably mean close to death since reptiles need to bask in order to heat the blood, but it depends on how skilled the individual is in manipulating their body heat. Just like an Assassin manipulating their HR with sedatives.)
The major problems with the race that I can see, is the lack of magical prowess. The physical is there, though unlike Nord's, who have the meat AND the occasional magical art prodigy; the Argonians had nothing besides the odd shaman. Which was a pissant in the face of an actual mage. Mind control, enchanting, runes, traps etc. Is just too great of a threat for mere physical and adaptive capabilities to handle. Sure, the Shadowscale were versed in some magics, though shadowscale were an elite small number. Nowhere near enough to repel an invasion, in which every soldier could use magic with relative ease (Elves).
Axton The Storyteller
Argonians are well versed in magic actually. The magic they use is not the 'on demand' style of fireballs and atronachs. They use slow, earthly magic. They are very well versed in restoration magic and use their shamans to enact ceremonies to draw magicka from the Hist. They are not experts like the Bretons or the High Elves but are about as good as the Imperials or the Dunmer.
Axton The Storyteller cold blood is a bad thing and would be the death of you if you decide to step in a cold or hot enviroment
Axton The Storyteller it is part of the lore that nords, redguards, and orcs are superior in strength to everything, the argonians have no more muscular than an imperial
Axton The Storyteller where is this idea of argonians being impressive in muscular strength coming from, it's not true so don't bring it up
Yeah that's what I meant, they're skilled in restoration and slow acting magic. That literally is the hist and how it works. I was talking about conjuration, destro and all that jazz.
And the other guy, it's not written anywhere that Argonians aren't physically capable. I was just basing it off of real life reptiles and cold blooded creatures. The genomes of some species of reptilians have been known to possess 100% motor recruitment. While we humans only use a portion of our muscle fibres. I was using science not lore. I didn't say anything about cold weather or hot weather, where did that come from? So all benefits of cold blood are completely devoid because they 'could' die without basking? Your arguments sure are tactless you know. Also whats with the msg spam? Chill homie, no need to get worked up.
Thumbs up for Argonian raptors mod
Regardless of their past, they are a /capable/ group, and have the potential. I am hoping to see some positive changes for them in the next Elder Scrolls game.
Agreed, I really hope the next game does them the justice they deserve
Mocha The Artist they arent as weak as people make them out to be.
I hope in the next game there is an argonian gencoide followed by a khajeet mass killing and invasion.
well that was out of character...
I thought jedi were so pose to respect all life.
THANK YOU FOR LOVING THE THEORY AT THE END ❤🦎
I have always love playing as argonians you aint alone
my favorite race is the Wood elfs
Would be interesting if the next ES was set in blackmarsh and was centered around the rise of the hist and argonians.
FudgeMuppet non
I can see it now
Argonians:We can breathe underwater
Historian:I can just make a water-breathing potion
Argonian:Well the best pirate ever was one of us
Historian:Yeah, but you're ruled by trees
Argonians:*walks away*
I love the Argoinions so much I made one based one on my old lizard that sadly past he was called ox
qGx Slothy 2.0 rip
F
Dagon: *tries to invade Tamriel*
Lizard bois: hold my Hist beer
Daws idk if that’s sacrilegious or exactly what they would drink during this time. Argonians are an odd bunch
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 but they are pretty neat
My favorite race in Skyrim is Argonians.
Ew
Then, are you a kid on facebook? :o
My Argonian name is "Watches-UA-cam-Videos."
Nah B Beats-his-wife
Blade-Through-Heart
Ligs-Mah-Dikk
Mine is fucks-a-pillow
Mine is Ur-Mum-Gay
Man I'll never forget being 8 years old and playing Oblivion for the first time and just being like "BRO, FUCKING LIZARD MAN FUCK YES"
We gotta go back
Back to the past
Samurai Jack.
4:35 ARRRRgonians
Taistelukalkkuna /slowclap
Good one
Argonians are like the Native Americans of Elder Scrolls, or the Vietnamese depending how you look at it
Or any weak civilisation that was discovered by stronger ones really
Bru Master africans
Da Komrade! Just shamanistic
To me they seem like ancient era Germania.
Closer to the slavs to the old germanic tribes.
There's 2 ways to look at this. Are the Argonians a weak race?
Individually, yes. Especially since they rely on the hist.
As a group: not the weakest. Their grouping up is their strength.
In fact, the weakest *race* might be the Orcs, on the group level.
The problem with the Orcs is that they are not very tribal. They don't actually have a tribe of their own. They are spread out throughout Tamriel in every province. This is why they keep being defeated by races that may be weaker on an individual level, but nevertheless know how to team up.
Argonians worked very well together against the deadra.
The Oblivion Crisis was like the War of 1812 for the Argonians
Trust me, your theory on the Hist only looking out for themselves is spot on, Cheers!!!
Hell yeah brother i'm a sap drinkin, tail havin, jungle livin argonian.
ARGONIANS UNITE
May the Hist guide us in our endeavors marsh-brothers.
Maybe the hist happened to collect the soul of a dragon or two, making it possible and likely that they created a dragonborn to stop Alduin from destroying them.
I personally LOVE argonians they're just so interesting and badass. The weird alien vibe they give off is just so cool. Although khajiits are my favorite race. I think argonian culture prevents growth. But as individuals they're genius thieves, assassins, con men and just all around badass. I'm kind of hoping that the argonians have a trick up their sleeve like some kind of wild hunt caliber power an they use it to bring the golden age to argonia. Another thing is that all other races of man could be considered weak. I mean they were and are dominated by elves. I want the raves of man and beast, and some races of mer, to rise up and destroy the thalmor. The only races I dislike are altmer and dunmer. I kinda like the aesthetic of dunmer but other than that I dislike them.
DragonInferno99 Ω same i killed him on sight
Stormcloak Bastard... I'm joking I agree with this comment. My favorite race is actually the Kahjit
DEATH TO THE EMPIRE!!!!
DEATH TO PENITUS OCULATUS ASWELL THEN!!!!!!!!! SKYRIM DOESNT NEED THE EMPIRE!!!
I just like the argonian look. So many different possibilities
Especially in Skyrim, they did really good with the beast folk character creation and Orismer characters in TES V
An easily concluded theory for me was that the hist is so in tune with nature that when it sensed the imbalance of daedra pouring into the world it sent the argonians as soldiers to restore that balance.
When Men and Elfs go extint... when even the mighty Daedra falls to weakness... The Hist and their Argonians will survive... They're wating for the moment to ReConquer Tamriel...
The only issue I have with the Hist learning through Argonian bodies is that in Lord of Souls it’s mentioned that the further you get from Black Marsh, the harder it is for you to hear the Hist, so I doubt they have that kind of power.
It could be that the strength of their communion with the Hist trees depends on their proximity not necessarily to the Hist but to where the Hist want them to be.
Ok for those don't know, in the oblivion crisis when the gates started open in each province of skyrim. The argonians not only defended black marsh they started the other side of the gate. They had to close the gate. There is a whole video explaining this on Smikes channel
James Benedict tamriel u said skyrim
Thats because of the hist trees without them blackmarsh would've been like every other province
James Benedict The meme at the beginning speaks of how the only reason they survived the Oblivion Crisis is because their owners (the host trees) warned them.
James Benedict it is province of tamriel not skyrim dumbass.
Snailybob they didn't just warn them they mutated their bodies into monsters, they controlled them though a hive mind and they built new bodies for ones that had been killed, if not for this black marsh would have suffered like all other provinces
I have a female Argonian named Dragonfucker. She got her dragon blood because everyone in her family had sex with dragons.
But the dragons haven't been seen in hundreds of years tho😕
Ranger• 07 They havent been seen because they were all busy being fucked in Black Marsh lol
You filthy argonian peasants thats why us khajiit are far more superior than you
Ranger• 07 Thats right. Instead of being slaves like the Argonians you are skooma junkies 😁
Ranger• 07 Ohh, im not Argonian friend. I'm Redguard.
*Oblivion gate opens in Black Marsh
Argonians: "so you have chosen death" the fact that a god is afraid of lizard people is honestly hysterical
Hearing about that really made me wish Dagon had a bit of reluctance, maybe even fear, to give you his razor. That'd be hilarious!