Skyrim - Why Windhelm is the MOST Tragic City in the Game - Elder Scrolls Lore
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2020
- In our latest Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim video we discuss what we believe is the MOST tragic city in all of Skyrim! Windhelm certainly looks cool, but after lots of thinking and consideration, we probably wouldn't want to spend much time there. In this video you will meet the faces of Windhelm, hear their stories, and perhaps get an insight into this Skyrim city that you may not have previously thought about. Just keep your wits about you, for Calixto could be lurking around any corner!
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series and was released worldwide on November 11, 2011. The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim.
At FudgeMuppet, we uncover the elder scrolls lore secrets that make this game so sensational, and in this video we're going to be diving into all of the events in Windhelm! We'll talk to the richest families and the poorest dock workers, piecing together their stories and building a picture of it all which proves that this city is sad no matter where you look. We do have many Skyrim mods on display which enhance the appearance of Skyrim's cities, and if you were to look at vanilla Skyrim, particularly the Gray Quarter, it is far less festive than shown in this video. If you think about it, this only strengthens the message of the video. It is also worth noting, which is talked about towards the end of the video, that even if you decide to take over the city with the Empire and wipe out the Stormcloaks, all you do is shift around the vibes and emotions in the city, as opposed to actually improving them.
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Markarth is definitely not tragic at all since I murdered half of the city. Like geez, half of the city are either terrorists or freaking cannibals.
Markarth is defs a creepy place too, but I overlook some of the creepy cos I like the architecture. And the resident alchemist Bothela, she's got some sass.
@Victor Kurske at first I killed a lot of guards but then I accidentally killed my companion so I had to restart and then I chose to get arrested
@Victor Kurske 🤣 it happened me too
Well, technically, some are terrorists *and* cannibals... so... there’s that...
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Yeah, that joint is pretty fucked up... :/
Victor Kurske - That moment when you discover “Well, they started it...” is *not* always a compelling defense in Tamrielic Court... :|
I’d rather be a Dark Elf in a Nord city than an Argonian in a Dark Elf city.
To be fair currently if there was an argonian in a dark elf city, high chance he's part of an invading army
Ikr some people only think Nords are the racist ones lol
@@-dreamwalker-4809 every race in elder scrolls is racist (except imperials)
@@duckhathap763 what about Bosmer?
@@themythicwaffle high elves literally genocided them
I think it’s funny the dark elves hate the nords for their racism when the dark elves famously enslaved the argonians and are extremely xenophobic lol
Ya but casual players don't remember that!
Corey Perdue oh stop. It’s not wrong to be casual. Just enjoy being deep into the lore. Casuals and hardcore can live together lmao
Lars Grotke Casuals also think Ulfric is racist because he doesn’t baby the dark elves aka the same people who said the Nords in Windhelm should be wiping they ass
@@coreyperdue1966 without casual players there wont be any imperial supporters. ;)
@@Galaxy-rj1kj Brunwulf paints a pretty damning picture of Ulfric and his racism beyond just the dark elves.
windhelm: woe is me.
Helgen: *still smoldering*
Morthal doesn't even have a store. Plus vampires. Plus racists. Plus plus plus. Morthal has always been my least favorite city/hovel.
@@crandleberrysadie same + it's like a maze trying to get around
noel dandes iverstead doesn’t have stores either
@@69inetails Yes. However, not a capital city. More like a small hamlet.
More like Hell-gen am I right
Walk into *Windhelm:* Dunmer racial profiling.
*Markarth:* Woman stabbed in broad daylight.
*Solitude:* Decapitation with cheering spectators.
*Morthal:* "Help we're all dying by vampires."
*Whiterun:* Friendly blacksmith.
(EDIT, inspired by comments)
*Winterhold:* "Our town collapsed into the ocean."
*Riften:* Guards extort you, Thieve's Guild threatens you.
*Dawnstar:* Under a Daedric curse.
Don’t forget Riften, Guard stops you for a bribe to enter the City, A thug pushes you around, Mjiol and Aerin talk about watching your back and the underboss of the Thieves Guild try’s to recruit you
Walk into Dawnstar: People having weird nightmares and evil omens every time they sleep.
Walk into Winterhold: Damn is this all that’s here
@@Nocternel The rest is in the sea.
I DONT CLAIM TO BE THE BEST BLACKSHITH IN WHITERUN
In the immortal words of Gimmli; "there's more cheer in a graveyard."
Fitting then there is a graveyard
_Falkreath_ “Did someone say Graveyard??”
And then he went to the Misty Mountains and went through the Path of the Dead and got to see how cheerful a grave could REALLY be
Well actually it's "You find more cheer in a graveyard" iirc.
Ah a man of culture I see
The most tragic thing about windhelm is that nobody there goes to the cloud district very often.
fact
oh, what are you saying? of course they don't.
Best comment on this video.
“If Nilsine is still alive, he’ll have this to say:-“
*Cuts to an ad*
“The soap that you’re using. It’s shit.”
Yo same ad
Lol
I read that in Nils voice. Gave me a good chuckle
Nilsine selling dr squatch soap is based
Imagine a mod where every time you enter dialogue with an NPC, there's a chance it just plays an ad instead.
The most heartbreaking scene with Sofie is when you see her sleeping in the street, she doesn't even have a roof on her head! Sure the first choise for adoption, poor girl :(
Except for me she was always bugged. The system always gives her a new basket of flowers regardless. If you don’t get her fast enough she has s full inventory making it impossible to give her any presents. And you can’t see the baskets in her inventory. Typical “It just works” from Bugthesda
@@CentralNexusPrime I think you can buy the excess baskets from her if you have the perk that allows you to trade anything to any merchant..
Lol I feel heartless now. I accidentally adopted her... and started a new run through to get out of it
Lucia for me.
@@eelboy3098 always adopted lucia and sofie.
“The dunmer wouldn’t be too happy around the Argonians after they invaded Morrowind” oh no. Poor dunmer. It’s not like they invaded Black Marsh and kidnapped argonians to use as slave labour for hundreds of years....
To be fair most of the Dunmer in Windhelm would have been lower class and thus unable to appreciate any of the benefits of slave labour...if anything they probably lost job opportunities because slaves are cheaper in the long run.
No one Nowhere good point but the Dunmer in Windhelm probably saw and treated the Argonians as slaves even if they didn’t have enough money to own some. The society in Morrowind at the time devalued Argonians as equal beings, and having grown in that racist environment, the elves in Windhelm probably hold some of those views.
@@razzlebackdraft8201 The fact that many Dunmer in the Gray Quarter back the Empire - and the Hlaalu - also indicates they backed their policies - the outlawing of slavery.
Huh, weird. I thought I heard the farming tools talking...
@@noonenowhere877 At least the Dunmer get to actually live in the city. Also doesn't help that some of them are racist towards the Argonians as well.
Dunmer: "We're not even allowed out of the slums!"
Argonians: "We're not even allowed inside this city!"
Khajiits: "That's adorable."
Edit: Interesting to see people getting butthurt over a joke, but thus be the internet. Also Khajiit master race ftw, creepy red eye ash slave owners be damned.
Khajiit: That's adorable... anyway want some Skooma ?
Dunmer: "Nobody's talking to you, dirty beasts."
@@Otakupatriot117 another dunmer: gah this kur is getting his fleas on me, fuckin n'wah
Meanwhile the falmers are now deformed and not even tolerated on the surface..
Dwemer are not even tolerated in existence
Any city that is nearly 50% slum has serious issues
It's pretty accurate for a city in that time period
Most cities in the world are 50% slum
like San Fran
Bravil joins the arena
@@robainsworth2014 Yah, all city in the world even nowadays has serious issues.
Windhelm always felt like one of the more melancholy and creepy places in the game, probably the darkest feel of any of the major cities. Quite in contrast the to atmosphere of Whiterun.
Probably what they went for when designing the game
Also probably why they put the butcher there out of all places
Nah, Dawnstar was more eerie than Windhelm.
The whole place is kind of depressing... the only decent places are the blacksmith and the Palace of the Kings, and maybe the East Empire Company offices... it all feels a little bare and dark, though. :-(
@@vittxrio5198 Hence why I said "major cities", by which I mean the larger walled settlements.
Yeah one complaint i had with Skyrim was how "recent" Dunmer in skyrim felt, missed chanced to have dunmeri villages spread around, dark elves losing their culture to assimilate, so on.
That would have been cool to see a village of a generation of young Dunmer, maybe raised from child refugees by Nords after their parents died, who considered themselves culturally Nords and had no real connection to their dark elf heritage similar to Brand-Shei.
Yeah, but then goddamned Twitter would cancel it for racisms
@@michaelriley8879 Ummm. I dunno the Empire is, just that, an empire that expanded by force to annex territory and is dismissive of people's innocence. Thalmor are raging elven supremacists (but more importantly High Elf supremacists). The Stormcloaks are nationalist revolutionaries with a clear "Skyrim for the Nords. Fuck these other people especially the furries, scalies, and dunmer". It's not particularly subtle.
@@RouxAroo666 I doubt they would assimilate that much, especially given how long elves live, 200 years might still mean their parents were the ones who left Morrowind. And in real life, migrants (2nd and 3rd generation especially) tend to hold on to and flash their religion and culture much more than the people still living in their homeland.
@@Aethuviel My scenario, or my intention with it was with orphans. Young dunmer who may not have remembered much of their culture or any because they were too young when they last had a chance, like with Brand-shay.
Skyrim is a tragic country. Riften, Markarth, Dawnstar, Windhelm, Winterhold.. Even if you forget about the rampant crime and bandits or necromancers, every town is at their rock bottom.
Yeah well skyrim is kinda shortly before the end of the world so it does make sense that everything's gone to shit
Oof. You're not wrong.
Solitude seems to be holding together pretty well.
@@trashcant69 which end of the world scenario? Alduin or something else?
@@thirstyserpent1079 He might be talking about C0DA, which while technically isn't official canon, it is by Michael Kirkbride. If you haven't already looked into it, I definitely suggest it.
'the tragic city of windhelm" Ya, imagine being around for thousands of years and not having the size of a city.
True, the worst things in Skyrim
The capital of the empire in cyrodiil was also just about 5 houses. Everything is bigger in the lore.
That really is one of the only things I have ALWAYS complained about in Skyrim; the size of every city pretty much besides Whiterun and Solitude; maybe Markarth, are so worthlessly small and even pale to Anvil (after its destructon) in Oblivion! Windhelm though is bottlenecked in a sense because of the large "Valunstrad" bridge, if I could call it that, and the Yorgrim estuary it is built within. I think the idea for the city was for it to be in a sense small and painfully condensed because of its age and all the issues mentioned in the video; that were going to go on.
it’s all bigger in the lore but the game engine isn’t advanced enough to handle em.
Act IV, Scene III, continued
Lifts-her-Tail
Certainly not, kind sir! I am here but to clean your chambers.
Crantius Colto
Is that all you have come here for, little one? My chambers?
Lifts-her-Tail
I have no idea what it is you imply, master. I am but a poor Argonian maid.
Crantius Colto
So you are. my dumpling. And a good one at that. Such strong legs and shapely tail.
Lifts-her-Tail
You embarrass me, sir!
Crantius Colto
Fear not. You are safe here with me.
Lifts-her-Tail
I must finish my cleaning, sir. The mistress will have my head if I do not!
Crantius Colto
Cleaning, eh? I have something for you. Here, polish my spear.
Lifts-her-Tail
But it is huge! It could take me all night!
Crantius Colto
Plenty of time, my sweet. Plenty of time.
END OF ACT IV, SCENE III
ACT VII, SCENE II, CONTINUED
Lifts-her-Tail
My goodness, that's quite a loaf! But how ever shall it fit my oven?
Crantius Colto
This loaf isn't ready for baking, my sweet. It has yet to rise.
Lifts-her-Tail
If only we could hurry that along. How would i accomplish such a task?
Crantius Colto
Oh, my foolish little Argonian maid, you must use your hands.
Lifts-her-Tail
You wish me to knead the loaf? Here?
Crantius Colto
Of course.
Lifts-her-Tail
But what if the mistress catches me? Your loaf was meant to satisfy her appetite.
Crantius Colto
Don't fret, my delicate flower. I'll satisfy the mistress's cravings later.
Lifts-her-Tail
Very well, but I'm afraid my oven isn't hot enough. It could take hours!
Crantius Colto
Plenty of time, my sweet. Plenty of time.
END OF ACT VII, SCENE II
@@obijuanquenobi1911 Not the engine. the consoles. you can have much bigger cites with mods on PC. the consoles and disc limitations were some of the reasons a lot of content were removed from Skyrim and Oblivion
The child voice actors, especially the one for male children, are just clearly trying their absolute best and it makes things so much more enjoyable for me.
I never once realised Rolff was Galmar's brother.
well, I figured out that they were related due to their surname "Stone-Fist" but never realised that they're brothers.
@@tahabashir3779 The last names just never clicked for me.
@@GamingYooler same here I just thought it was titles and they gave another npc a name as a different one by accident
Oh shit you mean to tell me that I ripped the heart out of Galmar's brother? Heartbreaker mod at its finest.
Galmar is a bloody fossil. With his idealistic bs...
I'm for the first time playing... I like it better in Solitude, but I'm on the side of the stormcloaks... I'm not sure if that was such a good choice. Windhelm seems very sad and purely war-oriented. The empire seems to bring culture and diversity...
it's only a game, right?
Dunmer: Does nothing but fights wars with their neighboring countries for thousands of years.
Also Dunmer: Why does everyone hate us?
*squats in ancestral ancient nordic city for 200+ years* "why do the locals hate us!?!?"
So did the Empire, but hoomans will always find apologies for their kind.
@@LalaLa-ze7kv Those damn h*mans
@@Squeeble00 read “Dunmer of Skyrim” and you’ll see that the knife-ears deserve FAR worse
@@zenzenulous2243 That book was written by a bitter lunatic, that sentiment definitely doesn't seem to be shared by the other dunmer
A madman is murdering women to try and resurrect his dead sister, racial tensions are simmering between Nords and everyone else, and Ulfric doesn't leave his throne room except to visit the next door planning room and couldn't care less about anything but becoming High King. Jeez, I wonder why Windhelm is in such a sorry state!
People before the quest actually think it was one of the dark elves and it was a imperial name calixto
@@GlennSkywalker2305 imperials r scum like altmer n dunmer
IAMHAM nords are dumb like nords. Same people that don’t use magic cause they think it makes their shit yellow
All the jarls hardly ever leave their throne room, the game's designed that way. The most active jarl seems to be Balgruuf, since he actually left the city walls to address the Legion, and he actually defends his city with his own life when you attack as a Stormcloak. But then again, you don't really attack any of the other cities other than Solitude or Windhelm. But I would agree that Ulfric is a pretty poor leader. His cause could be noble if he even treated other races with half the respect he treats Nords. Maybe then, even some of the Dunmer of his city would join the cause. It'd be a win win.
@@gabrielsanchez9799 Eh, if we lived in the Elder Scrolls universe, I think most of us wouldn't be wrong to be very sceptical of magic.
Sending is the most powerful person in Skyrim he's killed a child with no mods
UnusedBlock079 · what a legend.
Screenshots or it didn't happen. We saw no body, no blood and no bones. It's all a lie :o
How did you do that then?
EiriktheNord Andersen They are talking about the werewolf from the Hircine quest, he is locked up for killing a child...
UnusedBlock079 · When you can impress even the great Hunkelberg Mildrew Beesparkle, you have truly reached legend status.
After playing ESO, and seeing Windhelm as it is back in the day, and how it is in Skyrim is so depressing.
You know that ESO takes place about an millennia before skyrim?
@@trashcant69 yes. It's just sad the city isn't as it was back in its former glory.
Trashcan't “and seeing Windhelm as it is back in the day, and seeing it now”
I can agree. Back then, before the imperial empire, Skyrim was even better. Then, the imperial empire came in, sold out by Eastmarch's own Jarl. Then the city began to fall apart and become depressing.
EiriktheNord Andersen “imperial empire”, i get that the empire is run by the imperial race but that just sounds weird
Windhelm looks like a graveyard, its such a depressing place.
It is and also there a graveyard in the city
It's a better graveyard than the one in that one city whatever it's name was I think it was Folkwraith
Well when you see who is leader of the city...cant be that surprised
That's falkreath lmao 🤣 jk jk
I actually cannot unsee that now
I always felt a sense of sadness whenever I entered Windhelm. You could just feel the gloom. Then there’s Solitude which is bright and feels alive. Whiterun feels very neutral with a more happy tendency. Riften feels shady, like someone could mug you at any moment. Markarth feels mysterious due to the conspiracies of Forsworn, Molag Bal, and Nimera’s cannibal followers, everyone seems to have a secret in that ancient city.
I wish after the war there was a way to make Windhelm better. Especially if the Empire takes over, Ulfric’s replacement is a good man and a caring leader.
Yeah, even Winterhold is a more cheerful place to hang out than Windhelm.
For me it’s...
Solitude- there’s a political feeling and strangely a safe feeling when you’re there.
Whiterun- a happy and peaceful atmosphere.
Markarth- Mysterious and I’m quite paranoid when walking through waiting for something to happen.
Riften- very unwelcoming and feels like people want you to leave.
Windhelm- very depressing and can’t wait to leave
Falkreath is my favourite...shame it cant rain all the time.
@@mjag2834 I can see why, it's a place of contradiction. On one hand, it's surrounded by woodlands and nature, surrounded by life, but on the other, it's basically a giant cementary. Even the shops and businesses follow the theme of death.
For me its just where it all started (sigh).
I think Windhelm is good representation of the racial tensions in Skyrim and between the races on this side of Tamriel.
Just like Riften represents corruption, and Solitude is the economic disparity.
But I love that about Skyrim, no pure good or bad, just layer on layer of intrigue and depth.
What would the other hold capitals represent then? I'm pretty curious. Never heard this point of view before.
Riac 4 Whiterun represents the affluent neutrality but also a bit of impending doom (I imagine Clock Town in Majora’s Mask where everyone is being nice and chipper but there’s a sense of impending dread because the peace won’t last).
Markarth represents the fact that blood feuds are sometimes set in stone, and the seams of old hatreds can run very deep indeed.
Morthal represents that even a sleepy little hamlet can have tension and ancient evils bubbling up like swamp gas through the muck.
Winterhold represents that old glory days don’t always last, and tampering with things you don’t understand can bring ruin on yourself and those around you. But... there’s always an ember that stays behind that could reignite the old fires (the college).
Falkreath and Dawnstar represent... hm. I dunno, those are tough. I think Falkreath represents acceptance of death and grim determination. Dawnstar, hmm... any ideas?
@@JB-xl2jc Personally I would say Winterhold kinda also represents laziness, like even in medieval dark ages towns can and were rebuilt after things relatively as devastating and they didn't have a college of mages a few meters from them. Sure people can say it was just hard for them but that city used to be the capitol and has had 79 years to rebuild but has made no effort, not even expanding further down the road which you think would have been the first thing the survivors would have done after their homes were destroyed.
As for Dawnstar I have no idea, that city never really had much of anything.
Laser Samurai Yeah, dawn star’s definitely always felt like an afterthought. Despite having two mines and a decently large port, as well as a museum and temple, it always felt kinda lackluster to me.
I could see that for winterhold. It seems like after the disaster everyone except the mages left, so there wasn’t much reason to expand. It’s a frigid hole now too, which it’s not entirely clear it was in centuries past (despite being named Winterhold).
Jeff B Yeah that’s probably more of the reason why they didn’t expand but I personally feel like most people would have set up a sort of “shanti town” and eventually built normal Nordic homes and businesses. Personally if I did windhelm I would have made them embrace their mages, like maybe during the collapse and after the college worked to save the lives of those they could and the city grew a little closer to them, that’s not unheard of since nords used to love their mages in the past. I would have loved to see part of the city that was rebuilt into the side of the cliff too since that could have made it more unique. Maybe even the collapse would have uncovered a Nordic ruin that people took to living in.
It breaks immersion that not only can my argonian character enter the city, but he is constantly invited to join the stormcloaks.
I understand them having to let certain races in, but I'd appreciate some resentment. Like we're only let in because we're the Dragonborn but everyone hates that they have to deal with. Maybe if the guards or some of the residents say really rude things when you walk by or constantly find excuses to take you into custody?
They kinda want you not for the argonian part. But you ARE the dragonborn, you ARE prophecies hero. Argonian or not, being the hero of legend may have them consider having you at their side regardless of race.
Priorities man... really wanna hate the guy/girl who can Kill dragons and save the world?? Don't think thats smart, even if his/her race is argonian
@@cherrydragon3120 before you become Dragonborn you can enter all of the cities
You should have to do a special quest to get in if you're a disfavored race or something. It would up the immersion.
"Would you really want to live in the home of a murder?"
I mean, your character has hugged the body of the Night Mother to hide. Possibly is a cannibal, and you could have done thing Molag Bal asks of you. So, living in the home of a murder is the LEAST amount of my worries.
I mean tbf you either do what molag bal tells you too or you piss off molag bal, I'd definitely rather the former than the latter even if I felt bad.
Cool whacking stick, molag bal doesn't hate you
VS
No cool whacking stick AND molag bal hates you
@@elgatto3133 I always kill the said priest of boethiah to piss molag off lol
@@Jynx9921 chad move
To be fair, you don't have to do any of those things.
And uh, look under the bridge in Whiterun
Ulfric: I used to think Windhelm was a tragedy, but now, I realize that it's a comedy.
I really dig the camera effects. It really does feel like a documentary of Windhelm's people
Agreed. Is it a mod?
DaManOf88
Definitely a mod, not sure which but I want it. Reminds me of FO4; it really immerse you into the game;dialogue, while also making it feel cinematic.
What mod is that?
i believe the mod is called Oblivion Camera - Face to Face conversation
@@onelividguardsman5681 it looks like it is. Thanks!
This is probably me reading WAAAAAAY too deep into this, but Windhelm in Skyrim seems like a perfect metaphor for Ulfric's psychological and emotional state during the period. Like the city, he used to be far greater--and then war happened. The pain, grief, hate, and rage that flows from war infected him, breaking him down into a shadow of the man he once was, and now that pain, hate, grief and rage are all he knows. And it's entirely up in the air as to whether he--or the city--will ever recover even a sliver of what they once were, or whether the effects of war will simply rot him and Windhelm from the inside out until nothing is left.
I completely agree. That's such a great perspective
A really good take on Ulfric and Windhelm in general. A mighty fortress of pride turned into a prison of frost and stone, steeped in anger, holding onto the past and keeping everyone inside trapped and doomed.
I'm not convinced. He doesn't sound like a victim of PTSD when he's discussing how best to raid Whiterun in a cold and calculating way.
@@speedymunchlax5733just because you went through trauma doesn't mean you cant still be a shitty person
I was amazed how nice this city looks in ESO, such a beautiful peaceful place like a winter fairytale ❄
My Dunmeri people, Nords, tourists, traders, winter beauty everywhere you look. This city always filled with players who do dance events, hang out and socialize because it's really awesome to be in ✨
It was also very depressing to see because.. well a thousand years and a couple of civil wars later and look what happened... in Skyrim, it feels like the magic is gone and there's no way back..
I think thats rather the point, skyrim is a dark age
I agree, its one of the things i think ESO did best.
@Amber Hoke Detroit in the 50s, populated by Nords. Detroit in 2020, populated by dark elves.
To be fair, it's not like the city itself looks bad, though I suppose that depends on what look you like. A large, cold, stone fortress standing in the snowy tundra. Might be imposing and depressing, but it is kinda how I would expect the city of Ysgramor to look.
I mean I could see a solid argument for post oblivion crises being like rome falling. And the start of the 4th
Era as a dark age
"I don't like it here"
Inigo the brave, 4E
The way Inigo rebutted at that racist shit head Rolf
Rolff Stone-Fist is the Nazeem of Windhelm
And you kill his brother if you sided with the imperials
Not really. You're allowed to beat his ass and he's a bit nicer after that.
Levi Paladin no he isnt
But unlike Nazeem, Rolf can't be killed.
fact
I was running naked through Windhelm and when I bumped into Arivanya she of course went with the line "I love my husband, but he can be a bit... dull at times." Very subtle lady.
Windhelm: "Wow, what a dump."
Solitude: "Now *this* is civilization!"
Barbarian mudhuts vs Imperial city
Ik this is a old comment but I'm a stormcloak and I'd never side with the thalmor ass kissers
@@RavenNation96 a true brother to Skyrim 🙏 may talos reward us
@@yeti_ily indeed my brother may we both annihilate the thalmor butt kissing imperials and them white gold concordat placing scum known as the thalmor let's both use our warrior and thieving skills and shape shift into werewolves and kill them all with our dragon blood gift
@Owen Hayes talos guide you too brother
Sees title. Before I even watch the video:
‘Saarthal holds a prominent place in Skyrim history, even if most do not remember it by name...’
To be fair though. Saarthal is essentially in the middle of *nowhere*
@@lionspride4821 It wasn't at the time I don't think. For instance at one point Winterhold was the capital of Skyrim, but now it's a mostly destroyed frigid backwater that only has the college. Seems like climate change and population shifting has made some former metropolises defunct.
@@JB-xl2jc I mean to be fair having large chunks of the city fall into the ocean does that to a place...
@@palladiamorsdeus Bit of a mood-killer, aye.
Lions Pride What’s the middle of nowhere in 4E was the first and only settlement of Atmorans at the time. Not really the middle of nowhere to them, more like the epicentre of human life on Mereth. You know until the Snow Elves wanted to play genocide.
Haven’t even seen the video yet and i already agree.
Varg?
I love your profile pic
M G'S Helt riktig;)
You have videos for everything in your playlists how do you have that time
If Nilsine is still alive, he has this to say (ad starts to play) “LETS PLAY RAID SHADOW LEGENDS”
Praise the Gods they do not have that in Nirn.
That's why the family is rich, getting that raid shadow legends money
Since the first time I played the hearthfire, I've always adopted Sofie. She was the only one I actually felt awful for. Now she lives in solitude with a new mom and dad getting a random allowance of 1000 gold. And a pet fox.
Can you guys do one of these for all the hold capitals? I think it would be a great mini series for the channel
Yeah it's a pretty cool dive into the city
Nooooo, you cant Just kill the high king and start a civil war. Haha unrelenting force goes brrrrrrrr
Ulfric destroying the walls to Skyrim's cities: "The empire made us vulnerable, not me of course."
@@RouxAroo666 We did not destroy any walls. And the walls in Whiterun already were crumbling, and the Jarl had no intentions of rebuilding them, which is why it was so damn easy to recapture.
@@EiriktheNordAndersen-ju4gl huh?
@@EiriktheNordAndersen-ju4gl Seems like you confuse your player character with yourself, my friend.
@@irenebae547 We did not destroy any walls. Only that ring thing around Gildergreen and the Solidude well. Please do elaborate some more.
After coming across Lucia, and then Sofie, my 2-adoptee limit was met. I busted ass to get the house set up and went and got them. I'd adopt them all, if I could. (I know it's just a game, but still.)
Belyn Hlaalu has the right idea! owning the Hlaalu farm outside Windhelm.
I'd wager that Windhelm is the least visited city in Skyrim. I rarely go there.
I'd say winterhold, unless you are a mage
Saarthal is the least visited city in Skyrim for me.
I actually like being there despite me supporting the Empire there just something about the dark ghostly town vibe on that place
I normally go for the siege of windhelm what is the most exciting thing in that area of the map for me
For me is Dawnstar
5:00 Actually, the first time I played the game, I shot the guy with a lightning bolt purely on instinct before me and the guards murdered him to death. The friend who'd introduced me to the game was actually amazed she could be saved at all. Now I always make sure my bow or spells are armed before I walk into the gates for the first time on a playthrough.
I always make sure to kill him in every playthrough
I usually pull a dagger and slash the guy as quickly as i can
Murdered him to death, Ah yes a man of culture
Does she have any dialogue ?
@@Meomichelle A bit. The quest you get sends you to talk to her instead of to snoop around her room. She seemed nice.
No matter what happens, there's just no happy ending for the people of Windhelm.
h it’s a start!
The nords who adore and respect him are also people of Windhelm
I always got rid off all the racist in Windhelm after winning civil war. The city seems much nicer
ps. ‘Racist’ to me mean those that spend their day shitting on other race. Therefore, a couple of Nord and around 50-60% of dark elves and argonion were sent back to their god
Ps2. Yes, civil war won by Stromcloak brought to them by High/Dark Elves/Khajit Dragonborn
@@nics129 Ah, so someone supporting a murderous tyrant, got ya. You realize by supporting the Stormcloaks the racism is only going to get worse, right?
@@palladiamorsdeus Sorry, I'm not 'single-issue' kind of person :P
Besides, the empire only have less race-influenced narratives because they are already big. Look at the beginning, when they started off as Alessian Empire (the first empire) they are way more screwed up.
That's just the nature of how any group began and Stromcloak are already started off way less murderous than any other group
It won't be tragic if the Empire gave Ulfric those damn Nachos.
The damn nachos will be mine.
you want a real snack eh?
@@mohammed-pz4jk Yes!
Fruit and vegetables!
@@dutchcheese1609 *BAHH* 😒
Cheese: Everywhere there is madness. No wonder Sheogorath loves it.
To me, Windhelm's depressive state shows how poor of a leader Ulfric is. Oh he's a warrior, certainly, but he isn't a good leader. In being so hyper-focused on the war, which he started, he has allowed a serial killer to run free, racism to thrive, economic exploitation to expand, and so on. He has fallen into the same issue that so many real life leaders and nations have: As long as people have an outside 'enemy' to hate on, they won't look internally at how bad things are. Ulfric will let his city rot so long as he wins the war in the end.
In other words, Ulfric is basically not giving anyone really a reason 'to' join him and more to fight 'against' someone else. He says, "Fight the Thalmor, fight the Empire, fight for me, fight for Talos", which is fine, but it gives Argonians and Dunmer living in Windhelm a perfectly valid reason by saying, "Then why should we support you in that case, it means nothing to us." Ulfric seems to have no desire to try and gain a *better* life for his followers, not just a more free life. He could easily try and convince the Dunmer in Windhelm to fight for him and send out messengers/envoys to Morrowind to try to reach a deal with them as well. I imagine that Dunmer in general are not fans of the waning Empire after everything they have been through, and if Ulfric was willing to try, they could potentially be a powerful ally, whether it was temporary or not.
I believe his pro independence cause is just, but Ulfric is no saint. Perhaps if he was influenced by a wise advisor, or even replaced, then the realm could improve.
The Aldmeri Dominion want him to rebel so they can weaken the empire. Kill two birds with one stone.
The pickle Of truth the Aldmeri wanted him to rebel and the civil war to continue, but they don’t want the Stormcloaks to ultimately win. An independent Skyrim with a strong hatred of all things Thalmor is one of the last things they want.
The Stormcloaks would also have been weakened. Their men severely diminished and resources burnt. No matter who wins the war they both lose.
The pickle Of truth Correct, Stormcloak resources and manpower would be weakened, but they still have geography on their side. The Dominion is in the far south of Tamriel, they would have to move their army and navy far north away from their homeland, unlike their invasion of Cyrodiil which is right next to them. And if they manage to land an invading army, they would have to contend with they harsh whether and climate, along with whatever resistance the Nords could muster. The Nords would no doubt use tactics similar to what the Finnish or Vietcong used in our history, and in both cases the Finns and Vietcong won.
Thats why Solitude is best city in the game on the best location...that arch look is stunning
I think the developers had a deeper meaning behind to cold, somewhat ugly, and dark city in Windhelm. While also having outdated mindsets and ignorant people. And Solitude is this bustling city filled with all races living together, it’s warm and vibrant, and people are generally more accepting of other races. It’s like Solitude is the future of Skyrim while Windhelm is the past. And they’re fighting over which way of life will continue. Great game.
@@connorsmith6517 Solitude also means submission to Thalmor scum. Not a future I'd take.
@@connorsmith6517 Love this take
@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 i dont think thats likely, a second war is coming very soon between the empire and thalmor. There is already proof of the empire not submitting to the thalmor. For example jarl balgruff who has imperial soldiers part of his guard force still has a statue of talos. I mean if you want to be under the rule of stormcloaks then go ahead because they have done such a good job of dealing with crime, corruption and evil, its not like they ignore all of that stuff, its not like theres a serial killer running around the capital city of the stormcloaks killing people
@@cherryares7754 Isn't Maven a jarl under Imperial rule? I'd say neither is good at dealing with crime, corruption and evil (the Stormcloaks aren't much better in that regard, as a Silver-blood would sit on the throne of Markarth if they win).
Besides, the Empire relinquished its right to rule Skyrim the moment it let those pointy-eared snobs kidnap people for doing no wrong whatsoever.
Angrenor now sleeps in the dirt in my Fortify Restoration playthrough, and I am eternally enraged I cannot kill Rolff.
There are those I hate about skyrim is that it is not possible to:
- customising characters as snow elves, dwarves, ayleid, nede, orma, maormer, giant, imga, lilmothiit, sload, minotaurs, Ka Po' Tun, Tsaesci, Tang Mo and Kamal.
- let Balgruuf remain on the throne in Whiterun while Stormcloaks reign.
- kill Rolf Stone Fist, Angenor once honored, delphine, esbern, the leading figures of the imperials in camps
- Eliminate daedric especially Molag fucking Bal, Boethiah, Clavicus Vile, Hermaeus Mora
- Spare the priest during House of Horrors.
- Let Laila Law Giver reign Riften, free of the Black Briar scum and Thieves Guild and make Riften a place where all species live together in peace and security.
- Having an option to make Stormcloaks and Imperials a coalition under my leadership and eradicate the Thalmor, Black Briars and Thieves Guild. Then settle the feud between Battle Born and Grey Mane.
- bring those females available for marriage namely: *Saadia, Constance Michel, Voada, Aranea Ienith, Aduri Sarethi, Suvaris Atheron, Saadia, Khayla, Constance Michel, Evette San, Faralda, Beautiful Barbarian, Gilfre, Zaynabi, Suvaris Atheron and Svana Far Shield.*
- bring those males available for marriage such as: *Kharjo, Imnigo, Horm, Bassianus Axius, J'zargo, M'aiq, Faryl Atheron, Ma'dran, Brond, Balagog gro-Nolob, Falion, Orthorn, Aringoth, Faldrus, Gadba gro-Largash, Geirlund, Jawanan, Asbjorn Fire-Tamer, Rexus, Anton Virane, Hathrasil*
- make the option to marry 4 wives possible at the same time - I would have picked Shahvee, Mjoll the Lioness, Lydia and Ysolda.
- Adopt several girls and boys other than Sophie and Runa, I'd do the same with Sissel, Eirid, Svari, Knud.
- Gain a house in Winterhold or Dawnstar.
- build a city or town or palace or mansion or convert the fortresses that dragonborn cleared off from the bandits or vampires or imperials or stormcloaks to accommodate several species whether argonians, dark elves, wood elves, nords, imperials, redguards, bretons, orcs, khajits, etc...
- Renovate Grey Quarters and Winterhold.
- Give an option to spare Miraak and grant him companionship with the current Dragonborn.
I can almost see Ulfric watching this and resting his head in his hands in frustration by the end. And two guards nudge each other and go look for the serial killer.
Am I the only one who actually really likes the melancholic and cold atmosphere of Windhelm as well as ancient Norse architecture of the city? Just me? 🏰🏔️🌌
I do too. And I hate the cold.
Yep just you
Gotta say that after two years away from the game, listening to this channel has 100% rekindled my passion for it.
The legendary scholars have shared their knowledge with us once again🙏
Windhelm reminds me of the Rust Belt cities of the Midwest. A shell of its former self, and the malaise from this seeps into all aspects of life.
That conversation with Alfarinn at the beginning gave me an “interview for a documentary” kind of vibe
An unfortunate state of affairs. Windhelm was such a lively and diverse place 800 years prior to the events of ES:V Skyrim. Ulfric's own ancestor, Thane Mera Stormcloak, loved the Ebonheart Pact to the extent where ALL races were welcome during the Konunleikar, the tenth anniversary of High King Jörunn Skald-King's reign. I would kill to see Skyrim in that state again.
I have to say this video is shot beautifully. I love the close-ups for the dialogue, the crisp textures that are added to the models, damn. It looks like a documentary almost, like you're walking around Windhelm with a camera interviewing people. It's a really well done video, visually and content-wise.
This is why I always adopt Sofie in all my play throughs, it just depresses me thinking about her growing up in that environment selling flowers. :(
I adopt Sofie who is always my priority and the latter being Sissel who is constantly mistreated by her pa and sister.
There are those I hate about skyrim is that it is not possible to:
- customising characters as snow elves, dwarves, ayleid, nede, orma, maormer, giant, imga, lilmothiit, sload, minotaurs, Ka Po' Tun, Tsaesci, Tang Mo and Kamal.
- let Balgruuf remain on the throne in Whiterun while Stormcloaks reign.
- kill Rolf Stone Fist, Angenor once honored, delphine, esbern, the leading figures of the imperials in camps
- Eliminate daedric especially Molag fucking Bal, Boethiah, Clavicus Vile, Hermaeus Mora
- Spare the priest during House of Horrors.
- Let Laila Law Giver reign Riften, free of the Black Briar scum and Thieves Guild and make Riften a place where all species live together in peace and security.
- Having an option to make Stormcloaks and Imperials a coalition under my leadership and eradicate the Thalmor, Black Briars and Thieves Guild. Then settle the feud between Battle Born and Grey Mane.
- bring those females available for marriage namely: *Saadia, Constance Michel, Voada, Aranea Ienith, Aduri Sarethi, Suvaris Atheron, Saadia, Khayla, Constance Michel, Evette San, Faralda, Beautiful Barbarian, Gilfre, Zaynabi, Suvaris Atheron and Svana Far Shield.*
- bring those males available for marriage such as: *Kharjo, Imnigo, Horm, Bassianus Axius, J'zargo, M'aiq, Faryl Atheron, Ma'dran, Brond, Balagog gro-Nolob, Falion, Orthorn, Aringoth, Faldrus, Gadba gro-Largash, Geirlund, Jawanan, Asbjorn Fire-Tamer, Rexus, Anton Virane, Hathrasil*
- make the option to marry 4 wives possible at the same time - I would have picked Shahvee, Mjoll the Lioness, Lydia and Ysolda.
- Adopt several girls and boys other than Sophie and Runa, I'd do the same with Sissel, Eirid, Svari, Knud.
- Gain a house in Winterhold or Dawnstar.
- build a city or town or palace or mansion or convert the fortresses that dragonborn cleared off from the bandits or vampires or imperials or stormcloaks to accommodate several species whether argonians, dark elves, wood elves, nords, imperials, redguards, bretons, orcs, khajits, etc...
- Renovate Grey Quarters and Winterhold.
- Give an option to spare Miraak and grant him companionship with the current Dragonborn.
Those dialogue scenes are just amazing. Cinematic as it could ever be.
Last time I was this early, hills were still giving birth to kings
I’m currently taking a mental health break and these videos are really helping. All of you guys in Fudgemuppet are great people.
That's great, I wish I could take a break from school, but y'know.
Omg what amazing mods are you using? Your Skyrim looks GORGEOUS
The court mage kills me 😂😂😂 he just doesn't give a crap 😂
"The most tragic city"
Especially considering it was built by enslaved elves that the nords captured and forced into labor, plus it's been the capital of Skyrim multiple times yet it only looks nice at *night* when all the lights are on and it's snowing. 😆
Elves aren't good either, they enslave other races
@@sheinshawty I know but this isn't about the elves. It's about the nords and their shitty city of windhelm. Whiterun and Solitude are the best cities
AcidBeam I think that’s mostly the Dunmer, I don’t remember hearing about the Altmer Bosmer or especially the Falmer taking slaves. I suppose the Dwemed enslaved and possibly mutated the Falmer, but, the Dwemer are a whole different can of worms.
@@lionspride4821 i like solitude and falkreath ngl, falkreath is just a small forest city
@@JB-xl2jc well the altmer despise men, so when the great war started and even before that I think that some of them have slaves, for example the thalmor in their embassy they have wood elves as servants
Sofie has always made me wish there were more Aedric quests. Like The Book of Love for Mara in Riften. Like maybe one for Zenithar when she's found favor with him for her flower picking and selling. For having the enterprise to use commerce and personal labor to survive. And through the quest you could get her an apprenticeship with one of the game's alchemists who could teach how to use the flowers she picks. Maybe even an overlap where you find Quintus a bride in Mara's name and then Zenithar chooses the new couple to be Sofie's family/professional mentors. That way she doesn't end up like The Little Matchstick Girl or Annie from Bobby Darin's Artifiical Flowers.
Watching this makes me think of how I've never really gone into a city and talked to all the people and actually really understood the atmosphere even though I've played through skyrim dozens of times. Time for more playthroughs
Still 1 of my favorite cities in the game purely by looks. Love the vibe of an ancient medieval city thats still standing after so long.
Muiri will constantly remind us of what we caused if married to the dragonborn.
One of her only dialogue lines being " thanks for helping me with that little problem"
Place started going downhill when the arena closed.
I really liked the style of this video. I would love to see something similar for the other cities.
Yeah have to agree, however it's worse than that. I remember when I first walked into that city ( quite some time ago now), I remember how old it looked and seemed to be decaying right before my eyes. Truly a dreary place.
I wish there was a specific option for social reform of some kind if the dragonborn is a dark elf. Or like, if you could request that Ulfric make the gray quarter have a higher quality of life in the city. It would be a great role play opportunity!
Just want to say I really enjoyed this video. I like the style of narrating and inputting the dialogue from the characters. It's very storylike. Also the face zoom mod works tremendously well for these kind of videos. Good job guys!
Fudgemuppet videos got me so obsessed with Skyrim that I went and bought myself the entire set of the Skyrim encyclopedias. Thank you for the obsession 🤟
When you play ESO with the Ebonheart Pact you eventually end up in Windhelm, and it is a very different place to the one in Skyrim. Old Windhelm was awesome, recent Windhelm is an occupied ruin.
Loved this video and I never thought of how depressing Windhelm really is until I saw this.
Yea for sure, it's a cool city but definitely wouldn't want to live there when TES V Skyrim is set. Thanks for watching!
To quote Sheogorath "oh and the cheese ! To die for." 27:40
When that dark elf said its more trouble to pack up and leave than stay, I understand what he meant...after playing survival mode and I take two steps out the door and start freezing
I always clear out Sofie's inventory when I get the chance, and when I do buy a house she and Lucia are typically the ones I adopt first
It just reminds me how I adopted 17 girls (mainly 3 years old - rescued from horrid circumstances) from (10 from 2 months ago), (5 from last week) and (2 from yesterday).
Because of what I did, I can relate this to Skyrim mainly Sofie and Sissel.
Such a well made video, people rag on the continuity of the quests and the story that comes with it but this just proves how deep the lore runs
Whenever I read FudgeMuppet’s video descriptions it always makes me smile that a decade later, they’re still putting the store listing for Skyrim in there.
Something even sadder happened in one of my playthrough. I talked to Torbjorn and he made me get an Amulet of Arkay for Tova. Of course, I forgot about this small quest. I found one and was fast travelling to Palace of Kings few in-game days later, I didn't know there was a vampire attack because I had to go to Palace of The Kings for something I forgot.
After that, I left the palace and walk through the west side of Candlehearth. I noticed an ash pile and when I clicked it, it says Torbjorn. I legit cried tho
Well, it does have an
*a c t i v e s e r i a l k i l l e r*
Fudgemuppet is the reason why I returned to gaming . I'm now playing my first game of skyrim. I love it !
I prefer windhelm over others regardless it is a pretty cool city. I think I agree with the idea that the Dunmer hold most of the blame to their situation.
I find it funny how back in morrowind the dark elves hated nords now that they've lost their homes the nords are like ha look who's got the problem now.
But also I love how ulfrics city has the most non-nords in the game despite being the most racist XD
Winterhold is literally a college nobody will be able to reach in a few years, a tavern, a shop that gets no income & the jarls house THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF MOST TRAGIC CITY! 😂🤣
Honestly I only really go there if I need a book or some ingredients
my brother in christ, did you even watch the fucking video
Phenomenal video, Michael. One of the best you’ve ever made, my dude 🔥🔥🔥
Good to see you all still doing these.
This was one of the most enjoyable Skyrim videos I've watched in a very long time. Thank you.
You're welcome! Glad you liked it
Every city has its issues
Markarth : terrorism
Windhelm : squalor
Solitude : class discrimination
Whiterun : Nazeem and that single mum who believes everyone is hitting on her
Riften: Corruption from Black Briars and thieves guild
Winterhold: Devastation
Dawnstar: Horrors haunting it.
Nazeem: Do you get to the Cloud District very often?
Carlotta: OH MY GOD I’M NOT SLEEPING WITH YOU!!
Nazeem: ?
Atleast we can still save Whiterun... You just need 1 empty black soul gem for Nazeem.
Also, Camilla? Pretty sure the bard on the inn is hitting on her. (So may not be everyone, but atleast an understandable case)
Falkrieth: Incompetent Jarl (and basically just a graveyard "city")
Mortal: Vampire attacks and paranoia
Winterhold: Barely even considered a major city and superstition against magic users.
I’ve played over 1000 hours and never really looked into the tragedies of windhelm. Excellent video and insight.
Man I coming back to this video so many times. Its so good...
You guys should rate the towns in your podcast like you did with the gods!! I’d find it real interesting. Great work as always 👍🏼
Thanks! Our next podcast will be on the Thalmor but we'll add it to our list of ideas
look at me 5 minutes in. my one achievement this quarantine
For the longest time I never realized that Tova committed suicide after my character killed the second daughter. I had never gone back to windhelm to make the connection. Then with a later character I payed closer attention to the story, when it came to Muir’s request I killed the last daughter but when I came back and spoke with the father I realized what had happened. Now, I can never make the second kill no matter how evil my character is…it makes me too sad😢
Thanks for pointing out all this stuff. For some of it, I never even realized it was there, or found the connections between them, when I played Skyrim.
This gave me a few ideas (or at least seedlings of ideas) to use in the campaign I'm planning.
It's a really good point that an arena wouldn't fit the atmosphere of Windhelm. Nobody considers that when they bemoan its absence.