10 Big Mistakes New Sim Racers Make
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- For this video we talk about 10 big mistakes new sim racers make. Making it a habit to avoid these mistakes will make your overall sim racing experience much more enjoyable.
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I found your channel from the sim-pit! You have some great content! I would also add another mistake of new sim racers is not moving out of the way for a clearly faster car approaching, or if you are a lap down move over so the leaders can race. Once you get experienced and are racing for position you would appreciate back markers to do the same for you.
Dave Blair Awesome! You must have seen me in the live chat. I like Shaun a lot. Been watching him for years! Thank you for the compliment as well! Yeah that is a big one I missed! That is a huge problem for beginners!
What part of moving over to let some one past if car behind is on same lap with you , is racing ? There is an reason why its Sim RACING after all. What is all this looser talk on this dudes channel.
If two people are racing for position, it's the front driver's privilege to decide whether or not to move out of the way. If the guy behind me is extremely fast, deciding to fight him and defend the place is not always the best choice, but its still my choice. It means that I have to drive under pressure and at risk of a mistake - a spin is worse than giving up one position.
There is only 1 situation where i can see its good idea to let some one past you, its when hes on different pit strategy. " fresh tires or less fuel with similar tire life" . Only when it is absolutely going to ruin my own race to defend against some one, then i will move over or rather liftoff on straight for second.
These people don't understand the meaning of racing. You are supposed to fight for the win or as good position as good as you ever can. Within the rules !!!!
I will not support asshole driving style of weaving side to side , pushing opponents of the road on straight , crashing on purpose or even brake testing on openwheelers. But i will shut the door on every one trying to just pass. I will take my line that is often inside and hold it no matter what, if opponents is not on side by side at apex, i will shut the door and make him lift off or drive half way of the road. It is what race drivers do on every race every time anyways, and thats how iw learned to drive. That is the way i drive. I am fair, yet tough. those who drive against me will learn how i drive and good ones learn to drive against me and not try like an idiot to side of me and then bitch about it when i close the door or take the defensive line on corner, forcing them outside.
If all that matters you is how fast is your pace at ultimate lap, drive qualify only , or practice against ghost cars. Racing is not for you.
If a driver is over a lap faster than the other than they shouldn't have troubles getting by them. They are on the server racing as everybody else. Lapping only becomes a problem if the slower driver isn't driving predictable. Which is the point to make to new players, be predictable. No matter if you are slow, just drive in a way other people can reasonably anticipate what you are going to do next. And don't stand on the brakes in the middle of the straight because you got scared by a blue flag.
Don't pass in non-passing zones" laughs in Monaco
I agree. No choice but to pass in tight spots. Some of my best passes have been out braking in hairpins. Obviously not something noobies should do, but a skill that should definitely be learned. You can't always count on passing in long straights with draft.
Monoco is hell
🤣🤣🤣🤣
or the real race is just qualifying
11: Investing their life savings in iRacing.
XD
And then saying, "Oh well. It's just a game." When they lose.
Yea, ok buddy. Just a game you spent 30 grand for a setup on. Lol.
Ha lol
Which sucks cost wise
@@Vacaneu nothing sucks cost wise...
Sounds more like 10 things that noobs annoy you with.
Mistake nr. 11...: forget to have fun!
Pede Meyer yeah great fun to go online without track time and tbone a couple of guys actually racing.
Your bonus rule, don't pass in bad places? Thats down to driver style. I like to worry the driver ahead of me, and I'll stick my nose out every chance I get (If there's no one within attacking distance of me) even if I don't have a chance of completing the pass just to pressure the guy in front into making a mistake. Moved through iRacing MX-5s with that strategy and it's brought me several podiums as well.
Drifting is not the fastest way around the track
*sad tofu noises*
It is in skippy in iracing tho
It's so fun though I do it for fun sometimes.
David Moody that’s for nfs players😂
@@steveelpro *rage your dream plays*
I'm new to sim racing after playing football games for over 20 years. I'm not expecting results straight away and I'm willing to learn as I go along with it. I've taken your video and will use it as a guide line. Thanks for making the video man👍👍
'Practice a lot before jumping into a race' - improves his PB by 4 seconds during one race :D
Good video anyway :)
due to drafting tho
@@Lscott-fk2sn I don't see how slipstream would give you 4 seconds. Maybe 5 tenths at Spielberg, but that's just a feeling. But definitely not 4 seconds
Maybe less fuel at the end of the race?
@@itsalfreeedo2174 Also not worth 4 seconds. You could make the argument that the tires are worn too.
10 years plus and I’m still guilty of many items on your list. #whatever: never think you’ve become a great sim racer. Practice until it hurts. You will get better. That’s all, great video. Thank you!
Tries to lecture us, whilst bumping into people in the race :')
Rubbin is racing ;)
i'm not doing anything like that Harry. He rubbed me the wrong way and loosened his bumper, I'm just gonna help it come all the way out.
The idiot type sim racers always do.... if you "rub" them the will knock you off next turn ....just immature man babies mate ....
@@DanDiMaggio that is bullshit.
Dont agree 100%, but i do 80% and great vid
Rackie Thanks!
Rackie in what points do you not agree?
Cerulea X well because number one, he was 3-4 places behind a much more superior strat, which is diving the shit out of t1
The only thing I don't agree with is not driving with shift/clutch, if you're already driving a stick IRL, I see no problem doing so in sim racing
I was thinking the same... If you already drive everyday, it's not a big deal having the shift...
Thanks Dr Phil
You can pass in any corner, if you're good enough.
When driving in a real car my nose isn't on the dash either. the view is from in the car not sitting on the front. So if you care about realism it's actually seeing the radio etc. that is better. For me it's just what i'm used to now tho. Liked the video though!
When rookies are called out for not knowing passing zones when they are new to sim racing. #Logic
Right? It's damn near discouraging to get into sim racing because of people like this who call out rookies for being new to the whole thing
@@insanitywarsrobertwebb5355 YOu should practice more
@@rgbjojozahau Dude shit the fuck up, everyone needs practice for anything
@@insanitywarsrobertwebb5355 exactly. so stfu
I literally got an H pattern logitech g920 as my first wheel and started with that. I figured it out fairly quickly and quickly learned heal toe, just used Indianapolis with a low HP road car, (low pressure environment helps you learn easier as a noob) but this was back in August. Now Ive basicly mastered it.
Oh, another tip for newbs...Turn the car around during an online race, drive it around track in the wrong direction and try to hit as many people head-on as you can !!! Pro's love that !!!
#11 is great and all, but it isn't always intuitive to a new racer where these good pass/bad pass zones are. In my opinion, it's something that you learn over time...often resulting in carnage, but learning by trial and error is still learning I suppose. It would be wise, for a new racer, to learn these zones by racing against AI honestly, especially seeing how vastly AI has improved over the years (Assetto Corsa, for instance, has fantastic AI at this point IMO)
The only thing I'd add, something I found very difficult when I was just starting out (and still, to some degree, find difficult) is understanding the difference between braking for a corner during a hotlap and braking for a corner during a race, particularly when there are people in front of you. It's obvious on paper - if there's a guy in front of you braking for a corner, you're going to have to brake earlier than you normally would, especially if you are riding his bumper. However, when your brain is in race-mode (especially before a certain level of racecraft skill has developed), you might think "That curb is my brake point" and end up plowing into the guy in front for whatever reason. I think this is the principle reason behind the almost unavoidable T1 carnage in almost every online race.
Datamancer I agree. Good points! I definitely recommend running again the AI to begin with for sure! It's hard to figure out much of anything your first few times out with real people lol
Datamancer Learning from mistakes is often an essential element of attaining skill and knowledge. In this way rules and pointers aren't going to be enough. We have to fail to learn. The process is inseparable.
Once you learn you can back off a bit earlier then the car in front and ride your brake pedal to maintain/gain the gap it gets easier.
On the first point
I reckon it’s because they are used to 3-5 lap races where you have to
Yeah, this is my number one complaint about single player career modes, they almost all force you to do this. The only exception that comes to mind is Forza Motorsport 7, which lets you choose your race length for career races. Actually I think Forza 7 would be a fantastic casual sim if it didn't have horrendous FFB for wheels.
Spencer Leeper forza 2 had proper 24hr endurance races
Please don't be so ignorant as to call using hood camera "wrong", not everyone has a VR headset or a 27"+ screen. Before I got my new screen I was using a 22" with mediocre resolution, there is no way to play in cockpit view with that.
*Yes it's like having blinkers on but thats what car radar is for
LOL ... what do you think you actually see from inside the helmet? 22" with regular FOV is not that bad (depends a lot how close to the display you sit, that will affect which FOV is "regular", if you are far from display, then 22" is too narrow of course). Can't be directly compared as you can turn your head in real life, but it's lot closer than people who didn't race in RL imagine, and unless you want to exercise your neck muscles all the time, the real view is quite (surprisingly) limited too. Most of the time I rather rely on my hearing to know whether there's a kart next to me, or somebody is dive bombing in braking zone, because once they get into my view it's usually too late to react (I mean in RL, on computer you have usually all kind of hints, like the radar thing in this video, or mirrors).
ped7g I ride a motorcycle in rl, my fov does not feel very limited there and also you turn your head into every single corner without thinking about it
What kind of helmet are you using that does that?
m3me Arai NR 3, which gives me an estimated 170° FOV including eye movement without turning my head
In Europe we mainly use gears so we are use to them ;) banter
@Dévd Jemáz you know that England still going to be an european country even if they leave (EU)
still - I repeat my comment:
real life: you drive
sim racing: you race, and in addition with no G-Forces and so on which even with VR doesnt give you the speed sense/feel like in a real car and thus 200 km/h still feel slower than in real life even with VR.
Difference racing vs driving should be pretty clear, especially because he already told it in the video. In real life in the sense of just driving in your city instead going onto a racetrack, you dont have to care for braking points, managing to hold the line and not going offtrack, managing acceleration and braking, pit strategies and so on. You just drive and you even drive that slow that you can even make adjustments on your car hifi without losing control of your car :D
Fuck Europ
@@De-M-oN any person that has driven for a couple of years doesn't need to think about shifting, it's all natural. Yeah sure you have to learn some stuff like heel-toe but it's not that hard tbh. On my motorcycle I was rev-matching naturally like a month after I got my license
@@nishhnishh1088 I hate Europ too, it's just trying to knock-off Europe....
I try to be relaxed in the first laps in assetto corsa (ps4) and get rear ended everytime and thrown out of the track most often ending up with a wrecked car and having to quit. Unfortunately unless everyone is relaxed it won't work, and people won't be relaxed unless they get penalized for NOT being relaxed.
Mcufre yeah luckily on the PC there is something called SRS for AC that gives a rating system so that you are penalized for driving like that. Sym Racing System. Would be nice if it was available on consoles as well.
Dan's Racing & Simulations
Yeah. I really envy the pc folks
It’s a wonder why they don’t to such a rating system on console?
I play and it feels like everyone is out to get you, into a wall.
thetalkingelement
As far as I've read apparently they can't mess too much with the original game and are waiting for a new installment to add those options. However if they can do it on pc Im sure they could do it on console.
Dan's Racing & Simulations isn't that shutting down soon? I recon Kunos have hired the people behind it if you go by their end of year blog.
He has a good point about using h pattern as an absolute begginer. I know how to drive with gears in normal traffic speeds, but when you're trying to go fast it becomes totally different
The 11th makes no sense. How a beginner is supposed to know where to not overtake if that requires judgement based solely on experience?
Mainly because what most experienced racers ACTUALLY mean is, “I’m better than you so do not try to pass me.”
Having fun or enjoyment my ass. Most of the sim racers out there act miserable all the time and aren’t having any “fun.”
@@lastmansleeping5433 I can completely agree with this, and some online of the points in the video show this. Why do i HAVE to limit myself to one or a few racing types? Who is he to tell me how to play the game i bought with my money? Does me not having enough experience to be more the OK hurt someone elses experience? I don't believe it does. Also, why am i not allowed to tinker with the car setup to see the different effects it'll have on the car? If this was a video limited to players who want to get into the serious kinda stuff, and actually compete. But like this, it just kind of feels like a salty players telling me how to enjoy my games.
Lectures everyone on driving too hard and consistently while playing a replay of a race where the driver performs multiple divebombs in non passing zones and rear ends the next car multiple times....what a legend.
i learned from this video that the sim racing community is taking itself way to serious lol
-drugownz
lol, sim racing is supposed to be serious
It's supposed to be serious
it depends theres a difference in sim racing and playing gran turismo and calling it a sim when its 90% kids smashing into you
@@halo3rat_709 wrong, it's supposed to be serious Fun ;) after all we are playing games with expensive toys, lol
I have to admit I’ve gotten away from using the cockpit view. I think I’m going to have to get back to doing that.
There is no such thing as a correct cam. I feel any one can use any cam besides the third person. downright saying if your not using cockpit your playing it wrong is kinda dumb. thats your preference. dosent mean it will be the same for any one els. alot of people I know use bonnet view alot of the time
Thats simply just not true. If u want to get the "real" feeling, be as consistend as possible and want to be really fast over a long 2 hour stint the cockpitview is the only way to go. Everything else looks faster or slower then it actually is and will not help your driving. Just cause people u know use the bonnet view doesnt mean its the right way. Let them use cockpitview for a month and u will see improvement in laptime and consistency.
@@yannikbaltes3552 Wrong, Its not about "feeling real" its about racing and doing your best. If you do you best from a specific camera view then that's the view to use. There is no "Right Way" when you are dealing with preference. That's like saying you should only drive LMP1 and not GT3 because its the fastest. If I like driving from the bumper cam and do worse when using the others, then thats the right camera to use.
@@TheHitman5c Not really, and thats a very bad analogy. In 9 out of 10 cases you just wont do better in anything else then cockpit view, cause thats the only view where you can set a correct FOV. Do some research about FOV in simulators before making such statements :)
What you say is more like: I driven this GT3 car setup for so long, it has to be the right one, cause iam fastest with it. But there are setups wich are much faster and more consistens, you just have to get used to them. Ofc you wont better your laptime in 1 or 2 hours driving in correkt FOV, but do it 20 hours and you will for sure see improvement on laptime and consistency.
@@yannikbaltes3552 LOL 9 out of 10 times, I love when people pull scientific numbers out of their ass based on their opinion. It's a dangerous thing when people believe their opinions as facts.
@@TheHitman5c And again, do some research about FOV in Simulators. Its not my opinion as a fact, its a professional opinion as fact. And if u dont wanna believe that, have fun with that ^^
I think the first mistake is forgetting that sim racing is a game and most people don't want to stress themselves over a game.
This person clearly takes sim racing too seriously and doesn't have fun. It's a simulation so just relax a bit.
Well when you spend 30k on a rig it’s not just a game anymore.
well sometimes people have fun taking it seriously. Getting better and increasing skill is fun in of itself
I have to use a clutch and shifter. It’s second nature to me when I drive. Even if I’m driving an automatic I still hold the shifter without much thought. You just need to feel the vibrations on the wheel and listen the the roar from the VTEC.
Agreed. A clutch and shifter is so much fun I can’t do anything else..one hand on top and one on shifter always..👌🏼
No. 6 isn’t very true. I play NASCAR,F1, endurance races, rallyX, and drift league and I am still a very successful sim racer. I know many people who are just like me.
No.7: One word. SuperGT
Hey guys SuperGT here, with another race on GT Sport where I get sent into the shadow realm
Man I have never heard someone make sim racing sound like a job as much as this man lmao. Some of these tips although true would just kind of ruin the hobby for most people in my opinion. I personally did not invest in this equipment to go around the same track 1200 times with the same car, in the same view, and on the same game just to have a slightly better lap time. At the end of the day, there's going to be some ten year old with a g27 in 3rd person keeping up with guys with $10,000 rigs and hundreds of hours of practice. Remember to actually have fun!
Yeah I disagree with a handful of your statements.... Too many absolute statements... Also im interested in this mathematical proof you speak of when discussing being too aggressive too early...
I agree, with this. I'm still fairly new to sim racing, but I've got enough experience to know most of these are false. 2-4 of them just are his opinion when hes trying to make it sound like it's true.
@Evangel Yep, they definately are the ones sending it in turn 1 at tracks like Monza and Bahrain
came here to make the "Mathematical proof" point. you need sources to claim things like this.
I think its meant for the no brake noobs at t1 because if you do it well then you can capitalise massively on the first lap. Races are won with risks like these
You obviously haven't been racing for very long. Watch every good player in a race or in any racing game and notice they aren't as aggressive in the first lap or two as they are in the other lap. It doesn't matter which simulation style game you play, none of the good racers do this.
Why? For starters, your tires need to heat up before you attempt to go full throttle. As he stated earlier, there are too many cars on the track and everyone needs to make it through, so aggressive drivers WILL cause wrecks, every, single, time, without fail.
It's like morons who decide to make passing attempts on the first damn corner when everyone should be treating it like a yellow flag and proceeding from there unless people make serious mistakes and you can pass them that way. It doesn't mean DON'T pass it means that you shouldn't pass and if you cause a wreck then it's on you.
Solid advice - making some of the mistakes myself in iRacing, especially too little track time before a race and too many series at the same time. With the ovals both asphalt and dirt are doable, but even here it is hard to be top without proper car and track time. However road and RX demand more road time, knowing the tracks by heart and pushing it. Your best advice, survive the first three laps, sometimes impossible with all the hot heads going for position and not giving any room to anyone, ruined many of my races and I really do my best to give room and let them pass - they are bound to crash anyway along the race.
I agree with all but 2 sort of. The seating position and h shifter. Seating position I think comes down to how tall a person is in real life. I always move a seat pretty far back and the view up, because I'm 6 foot 2 and that's how I sit in almost all cars, seat back all the way, very upright back position which gives me height.
The manual shift as a beginner, that truly depends on if a person knows how to drive a manual in real life, I used to prefer auto, had a little experience with manual cars and now drive a 13 speed semi truck for a living all day. I now prefer the h shifter lol. But I use paddles when the car has them to be true to the car. If someone does not know how to drive manual in real life, then I agree with you, use the paddles because an h shift will kick your ass lol. Great vid.
I am getting into mid-range sim racing (steering wheel, that is) and on the more recent, realistic games. And I agree with the 6th point a lot. My choice is drifting (across games, but still drifting). I also think it's key to keep the game types down to just 1-2, as well since drifting in old NSF and new NSF games, and also GT games are going to get messy since they are so different and all require time. I assume it's a wise idea to spend 80% of your time on a single race type and just 1-2 game types for that race type. For me, I am going with old Need for Speed games (Carbon on PS3) and GT driving (GT 5-6 for PS3), with the T150 Pro wheel/pedal set. :)
Note: once you are good, you can pretty much play any game and race type, not just one. You see good sim racers all the time playing every type, even real racers sometimes race in F1 and a more standard form.
Do you really consider NFS mid range sim racing? I mean NFS (Carbon etc.) are the most arcady racing games i ever played. Don't get me wrong NFS is fun, but to say "sim racing" and "NFS" in one paragraph is kinda funny, cuz it's the complete opposite of sim racing.
I know I'm not speaking from authority here but I think the tip about not driving h-pattern right away is americo-centric. I'm from the UK and I'm very comfortable with H-pattern because it's what I've driven real cars with, so I have no problem picking up H-pattern in sims and it feels natural and intuitive to me. I think the advice works for Americans who maybe drive automatic cars in real life and therefore don't immediately feel comfortable with shifting on a H-pattern gearbox, but for me it just doesn't make sense, sorry.
The rest of the advice is solid and very helpful :)
ok I also disagree with point 11 somewhat. Whilst it's true that there are some places which are totally stupid to pass (e.g turn 10 at monaco in F1 isn't a particularly smart place to make a move due to the high speed and narrow track at that point), I don't think there's any such thing as a "no-pass zone" in any motorsport, and I certainly don't recall anyone being given a penalty for passing in a no-pass zone (which you would think would happen if such zones existed). Of course driving dangerously through a narrow section is a dick move, but that's already covered earlier on in the video with advice about not driving too aggressively and having some consideration for the other drivers.
Chris Browne Yeah that tip was intended for the younger crowd who has gotten into sim racing prior to having any real world driving experience with driving at all. I guess I made this video originally thinking only folks that were new and had no experience would watch it. I didn't realize as many people with experience would see it lol. But I do agree. If you have always been using them, then continue on for sure!
fair enough, but I guess European youngsters are also quite used to H-pattern shifting, I know when I first got into a car it was already well-known to me how to operate a gearstick and clutch pedal, so I would expect kids who are into racing / motorsports and who come from Europe to have a similar experience in that regard.
I guess each to their own, but my advice to newbies would be to try out H-pattern, but step back if they're struggling with it so much that the experience is no longer enjoyable. It can take a bit of getting used to for some people, but most should find that it clicks into place before long and from then it's just about getting better at the shifting technique and learning more advanced techniques like left-foot braking and eventually heel-and-toe braking.
I should point out that I'm not a sim racer though, just a casual fan who's looking to get more into sim racing in 2018. So I don't speak from much authority even if it sounds like I'm confident in my opinions. :)
The problem isn't shifting with an H pattern shifter, it's doing it in a vehicle that shifts 3 or 4 times faster than most cars people drive on teh streets. I've driven a stick for 15 years but I still resort to paddle because of how crazy it gets in the heat of a race. Last thing you want to do is struggle with a bad shift while next to 3 other cars in a corner.
I just think of the car has sequential in real life then I play with paddles and if it is manual in real life then I use h pattern. It is a sim after all
This is a fantastic guide and helped me so much when I first started sim racing. I think the biggest thing that helped me is driving a LOT. Just keep driving the same track with the same car and don't be switching a lot once you commit to learning one. This is especially true on cars that seem to spin out easily or in bad weather. Great video, still relevant in 2019 and beyond. I am curious to know if things like VR or 3 screens makes a difference when starting out, or if they are just a distraction and something that can be added later.
Over aggression on the first few laps frustrates me constantly.No matter which sim I am on someone will try something silly unless it is restricted e.g. League Racing.
That's just your problem. I usually take it easy and let others make their mistakes and bob's your uncle. From zero to hero in first lap. I think the best result from quali is to be first or last. Usually the last is the best place to start and after first corner there is good chance to be on front.
@@karju4 yeah, but I'm thinking about having an overall race. I might survive and get through, but what's the fun of it if the rest of the field are 10 seconds apart with varying degrees of damage?
The correct FOV makes a HUGE difference. This has made my driving way more accurate and the sensation of driving more realistic. Thanks for posting. 👍
damn, im so glad i watched this, im just getting into sim racing. Great vid man.
I disagree with the Clutch/H pattern mistake. It’s better IMO to turn all the assists off and learn everything by yourself. In the end it makes you a better driver. First thing I did on iRacing is go to The centripetal and just practice shifting and braking for about a day and a half with MX5 and the SS.
Great video! I'm just getting into sim racing on Assetto Corsa and trying to build up my skills slowly. I do motorbike trackdays and know its best to walk before you run.
You've given me some things to think about as I improve. Cheers!
Best advice for sim anything. Shooters, flight, racing. Let yourself be immersed enough to understand what is threatening. Imagine the next decision you make being performed by you in real life and ask yourself if you’d be confident in doing it. Your life is on the line in real life, and generally have good instinct on what will likely lead to fatality. It’s a good measuring stick for how you can understand best course of action in the sim. Would going for an overtake at this moment make you feel like your life flashed before your eyes in real life? It’ll probably make you wreck then and is not optimal.
Jesus. So don't get into sim racing without months of practice in that specific discipline (no switchy!), don't overtake on the first lap, don't have too much fun, and only use a specific camera setup. Got it.
He isnt saying that though, he is sating before you join a lobby where the other players know the track and want to seriously race, you should spend a few hours on a track learning what gears you need to be in for corners and where braking zones are. There is nothing more annoying in a race than when somebody doesnt know where they are going and has never even seen the track.
Good advice-- all of it. I have always been a "front-runner" style of athlete, sim racer, and such; but with maybe a few exceptions, stepping back, and getting a solid controlled start into most things is a much better approach, as you noted.
Moral of the video = "YOUR FUN IS WRONG BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
Lol yeah He thinks he's an expert. Racing's racing! People drive differently
"Your fun is wrong when it's detrimental to others" is more accurate, when it is not just casual advices.
@@maximeduvaut1389 My Fun is never wrong
Someday you may enter the grown-ups world.
@@maximeduvaut1389 LOL Ive been in the "grown-ups world" since you been in diapers.
The thing that made me better and better is 1 of the most important things you can do in any discipline: Race/train/play with people that are better than you. Become friends with them and work together. That's how i progressed the most and ended up doing funraces with Stoffel Vandoorne. Not that i could beat him, but i was there at least and learned alot. Also, learn to handle oversteer as well as you can. That gives alot of confidence.
I agree with most of these but you are kind of talking against yourself saying that you need to be in the cockpit camera for realism, but you need to have your camera in the Place of the steering wheel? Good video though, gave me some things to practice on
Yup, this camera issue is the cotroversial part here. Honestly, camera pick is a compromise cuz it will never be fully realistic (maybe except VR). I agree that chase cam is silly in simracing but bonnet cam is totally fine.
Zenek Bombalina I really don't care what others use as long as they don't ram me off the track, but I do prefer the extra bit of realism myself.
I personally use the bonnet cam because it feels somewhat more real for me.
William Hagström what would be cool if there where a tool that let you input your screen size, your distance to your screen and it would automatically calculate the right fov and cam position, that way the screen would be almost like a window to that sim-world.
Blockbuster2033 that would be cool yes. Not too hard to do if one could figure out the correct fov. The only problem I could possibly think of is multiple screens, but that could be accounted for in the calculations.
Well, I'm revisiting after a year to update.
I now drive in cockpit view, at all times.
It is difficult, to start with, as you correctly point out, but I feel I can judge braking points much better now and I am becoming more consistent.
You're never too old to learn eh :)
Feel like Peyton Manning teaching me sim racing.
This video is "Priceless" for any beginning sim racer. The information is well thought out and delivered in such a way as to not offend anyone. Good Job.
Great info! Thank you. I'm keeping my shifter though.
Great advices. I hate to have a race ruined on the last lap because of a player who want just one more position at the last corner.
5:40 well that was perfectly timed
Getting started with sim racing I suggest playing raceroom a free to play sim thats pretty good gives you enough to start with
Sounds like a paying gig 😂 this entire time I was thinking it’s just a game. What’s the most anyone can’t expect to achieve from being a top sim racer?
They do get paid to win races you can win 1000"s sim racing lol sounds like you don't know much about sim racing...
Clearly you don’t know anything
Good video with good points. I would only disagree on not using a clutch and an H-shifter right away. One should learn how to properly drive a car immediately, just start slow. If people pass you, let them pass, but still learn how to shift and clutch. It's important, it's necessary, and you will have to learn it one way or another anyways, so why not start straight away? Also: In reality, you also see the radio and the stuff inside the car. Of course, an FOV closer to the track is always better for your performance because you see more, but one could also argue that the hood cam or bumper cam are superior because of that. It's still unrealistic not to see your own steering wheel.
LOL everything will cause a problem 🤣
Not that the video is bad, but what I got from it was..."You must be a pro to race with us online", and this is an example of why I have stuck strictly to racing offline. No matter how good someone is there is going to be more learning to be done once we start online. AI behaves differently than a human, and we are going to react with muscle memory. Mistakes will happen, and the more reading I have been doing, I am finding that the tolerance level for someone wanting to get into this hobby, or who just wants to progress is from his current state is next to non existence. I am not sure if others who have not raced much online feel the same way, but I feel that I am not welcome to play online unless I am flawless.
Bob Boberton you are definitely welcome online! I think the biggest take away is just being respectful to other drivers. Mistakes happen in a race, it’s fine. A lot of this video is geared towards absolute noobs that have little to no experience sim racing. I used to play a lot of Forza online and it can be a bit of a derby really, people just ram you and punt you and it is what it is. You get used to all the contact. Someone coming from that to sim racing will get in a lot of wrecks. There’s a reason sim games have safety ratings, etc. Coming to sim I my biggest focus was to just race CLEAN. I tend to get a bit over aggressive with overtakes and will certainly end up taking someone out in a sim with my traditional play style. I just had to learn to tame the aggression a bit and drive smarter, not harder. Try to force your opponent to make a mistake. I found by doing this, really learning a car,and track made me much faster than I otherwise would be. Just get online and have some fun!
I dont have the money for steering wheel so i race with a controller and roof cam
Save up money my man. Gotta have fun in life :)
@@Richard_Buurstra 2nd hand 100 anywhere a logitech g920. i raced over 4500 races online on iracing winning over 600 with it. for 100, there is no comparison. also works a treat in games like forza horizons etc work great
You have gata be trolling...money or no money roof cam is wack..get a wheel and gitgud
That’s just a racing game then. This is about SIM racing..if it’s on controller it’s not a sim, it’s just a game, which is fine..✌🏼
I wanna add something to Point 6: You are completetly right! people shouldnt commit to more than let's say 3 different classes if they are super different.
But i do believe that in the beginning of your sim-racing "career" you should take your time OFFLINE to drive as many different classes as there are.
If you do this, you will eventually find your most liked classes by yourself. and then you pick one, and that one you focused on in the beginning.
I really don't agree with most of your (supposed) mistakes. Racing is fighting for positions not some polite "after you sir" nonsense. Camera view, how are you gonna know if a car is beside you if you can't see the side windows because of the cockpit-camera position? I see you using a million huds which isn't really realistic is it? And "only race one type of car and series" is nonsense as well, the beauty of sim racing is that you can race any series in the world, which is what most real-life racers would like to do (just ask Alonso and Rossi... xD)
I think he’s talking about online. There it’s incredibly frustrating & in real life dangerous if others R driving too aggressively.
I agree on the camera view. IRL it’s diff even if you don’t turn your head you can sometimes hear someone or see them out of the corner of your eye.
He said not too many diff cars or series at the same time, which I would agree with. 2 maybe IMO at the same time
Stick to Forza
I will assume you're a beginner at racing in general because racing is in general fighting for positions, yes, but it's also a very strategic sport just like any other. You can't go pushing as hard as you can neither in sim-racing nor in real life racing for many things; one as he stated, if you push that hard all the time you'll eventually make a mistake and all your effort will go down to the garbage can; and two, you'll kill your car, tires will die, you'll run out of fuel, you can get something broke like the gearbox or your brakes. The fact that cars go fast at races doesn't mean the drivers aren't conservative with them sometimes. And about the FOV, if you place yours back enough to see the side windows you'll be too far from what's outside and that's bad for many reasons, you'll be forcing your eyes into trying to get as much detail as they can out of something very small and you'll get an unreal sense of the track. And that's why virtual mirrors exist, you can also use headphones and listen to other cars coming close to you.
@@juanin200 There's a difference between drivers being cautious and calm, and drivers being doormats. Drivers IRL can often be very aggressive when they need to be - it's why crashes even happen, after all. Just look at any BTCC race for proof of this.
Guus van der Spek
you said it you self fighting for positions not hitting other drivers off track. If you want respect you must give respect that is a rule you must follow no matter what the cost. If you don't like it that's fine go play NFS or Forza.
I realized these mistakes quickly on Gran Turismo Sport, specifically this track in the video. I went aggressive in the beginning and barely knew the track. I started in 6th and finished in 4th, but that is only because two cars in front of me bottled. I knew after that race that I needed to practice and learn more about tracks
Nice video, but one thing drawed my attention... You said that there are some "no passing zones" in tracks, wich I find your comment a little misleading.
Ayrton Senna once said that "if you have a gap and you no longer go for it, then you are not a racing driver".
The only series I know that does not allow someone to pass in a place at the track are Track Days, and those is pretty much all corners, not allowing you to dispute them.
So, in my opinion, there is no such thing as "no pass zones", everything is a passing zone, it all depends on the variables, such as speed, grip, accelerations and the setup of the car, along with the confidence and the driver's ability to bring it to its limits.
Arthur Henrique Mendes Berté I agree, but for an experienced racer/sim racer. Avoid taking sketchy chances if you are green. It has the potential to cause complete mayhem if you don't know what you are doing. So this was geared towards folks new to sim racing.
I do understand, but we all know that the only way that you can go from a green racer to an experienced racer, is by doing mistakes that will jeopardize the racing.
IRL, if you have a green racing among the cars, he would do the same mistakes, but it is up to the more experienced driver to recognize when someone around you is going too much aggressive into a corner.
And that is why a FOV that you can see a little bit around your windshield pays so much, because you can avoid those things.
You see, I race with greens at least twice a week, so I can tell them what they made wrong, how they can improve and blablabla, to make our SIM community better and closer to what reality is. IRL, to race a race car, you would have to spend some time training and racing the car up to some RPMs, so you can control it and deal with any things that may happen.
So, what we need is to teach tehm, hands on, on what happens when you do this, do that and such... Set up a "racing school" server, and see the magic happening... :)
Macau actually have a no passing zone in real life, and really... pass only when you have confidence you won't ruin you and/or others race...
Because they don't feel confident enough, or because they are not very good drivers.
I rather risk that, than go back home thinking that I could have forced a mistake and went back home one place higher in the grid, because I thought that "it was too dangerous".
Mistakes happen, and they can have dire consequences for the racers, but still... If you are too afraid of passing someone somewhere, then you are no longer racing, like Senna said.
But I do understand what you are saying.
"TURN 16 (MELCO HAIRPIN)
“This has been designated a no-overtaking zone for good reason. It is an incredibly tight downhill 180degree hairpin which, if you enter too quickly, can strand you on the outside left hand wall. Cars have been known to “back and fill” to get around. I approach it downhill at around 170kmh in either category of car using either third or fourth gear and brake earlier in the GT. Both cars will apex in first gear."
I would overtake here, mainly on the exit, brake harder on the entrance, and accelerate mid corner, because I would be ending the hairpin in third or fourth gear, while you would be getting in the second...
It is all a matter of how to, and overtaking in a place like that is dangerous, a bit hard, but not impossible.
I have finally got my budget SIM racing setup together. I have moved into from racing and this solves all fov and driver position issues. I would definitely recommend it.
I don't agree with the 6th and 7th mistakes you talk about. There are numerous drivers that do more than one type of racing and, starting off with a slower class (like spec miata or etc) then moving onto other types of racing will teach you more about car control than in a standard race. Plus it's a good way to not become discouraged of the process.
Using an H pattern shifter/clutch is dependent on your skill as a regular driver. If you've driven Manual car's then it shouldn't be an issue, but if you're the type that has never even attempted to drive one for more than a few day's, you are better off learning car control first.
I agree with the H pattern. Used paddles for about 6-8 months and just got my pedals and H pattern. So enjoy it.
heres an idea lets just play the dam game and learn as we go like all other games and dont forget to have fun cause its only a game if you want to get serious get a job and be good at it lol
NeBoFoRiOn there’s people who do this for a job.... if those people do it for a job it will be frustrating to race with people crashing into you
H shifter is kinda ridiculous point.
Maybe for Americans it makes a point but for Eu for example You rarely drive a car with an automatic.
You are legally required to learn the Manual to pass the drivers test. Unless you have a disability.
Shifting gears isn't a conscious process at this point.
Generally you can spot quiz a driver here : "Which gear are you in?" and it will take them a moment to think or check.
Shifting gears is like riding a bicycle it gets in to your mind and requires no effort or concentration.
This video is you just criticising people that know no better. Why not education rather than scrutinize so badly
@AngryPostmanSthlm2 I'm just starting out in sim racing, with Dirt Rally 2.0 but looking to get into other forms of track racing, I love when experienced vets take the time to give noobs tips and try to help them out. It gives the person more confidence and helps them relax so they can focus on what they are doing and not become too overwhelmed. Coming from Flight Sims such as DCS World, I know how serious people can get about their sim. But in the end we are all trying to have fun and have an enjoyable experience. If a community is willing to help and be patient with new comers then everyone will have a much better experience and new friendships can be born. There's a time to be serious and there's a time to have fun. Any time I see someone struggle in any game or sim I try to help them out because I know first hand how frustrating and overwhelming it can be.
I got the feeling that this was education. Strange that you got so offended and defensive about this video. You must not have ever heard real criticism in your life if you thought this mild video was bad...
@@SBJ696 I have a few things to say, sir. First, I am wondering which race type you think fits best to flight, drag, F1? And, in turn, which type of racing do you hope to get into most? For me, it's drifting (and GT is okay, also). I personally don't like drag, off-road, truck, or NASCAR, though F1 is okay, also. Speaking of Dirt, though, I do want to get into rallying. That one looks fun, but also difficult. 80% of my focus is drifting and standard racing in GT and NFS, though. The other 20% on F1 and rallying, and pretty much no other on the other forms. I did pick up a few Ace Combat games to see what I think about flight sims, also. Also, don't like bus/truck/farm/bike sims or racing, either. But, I am trying my best to try out all the forms of racing/driving in-game and not to judge, right. :)
Retro Workshop I mostly like Rally/Rally cross but as for any type of track racing I don’t have too much experience with. That’s why I got Assetto Corsa. Although the main reason was to learn the ins and outs of racing itself, however I haven’t had much time to play lately. On top of that I use it as my practice sim to help learn how to use a racing wheel and pedals. Coming from controller it’s obviously very different. If you’re any at all interested in real flight sims, DCS World is one I can highly recommend. Especially if you have VR. IL2 Battle of Stalingrad is another good flight sim if you like ww2 aircraft. ✌️
@@SBJ696 Is that for PlayStation 4? I don't use PC, only console. Also, I have never played any kind of flight game at all, so, I have no idea if I'm going to like it or not. No idea at all. I kinda like planes, though. Trains also. Is there a train sim, that sounds fun. Although, driving is most likely boring, haha. Also, World War II aircraft sounds interesting.
Street racing but with trains, maybe? ;)
Driving in manual (sequential, not neccessarily h pattern) will help you to remember which turn has to be approached at which speed, imo.
Great video
but has anyone ever told you that you sound like SomeOrdinaryGamers but Southern?
No
I liked most of the points, as a beginner to sim racing myself, I am definitely pushing to hard at the start of a race and I'm overdriving too much.
But #8. Really? If you're more performant with another camera, use it. You don't HAVE to use the cockpit camera, it's YOUR play style, it's YOUR comfort. What if you get a better sense of speed with the hood camera? This will allow you to find your braking zones more easily. This point is completely subjective.
Absolutely with you.
Actually I disagree with number 1. If you do not pass as many opponents on the start, your race is over, because you cannot catch no one later on. If you are 10th you would be able maybe, maybe pass 2-3 cars and that is that 7th place max and wasted race. Great start and pass multiple opponents on start is needed.
It really depends the style. F1 would make sense for this mentallity, but even turn one is conservative. Other forms might be opposite. Lets say its a 24 hour race. You dont need to pass too many cars in the beginning because you have 24 hours to work with. In Oval racing you might have a set up where your car is faster in Long runs vs Short Run cars. But to get to that point, you have to be conservative.
Yes, agressive starts/restarts are good, but being over agressive is bad. You cant win a race if you crash.
Also worth mentioning: feul consumption, tire wear, tire temps, brakes, engine temp, shifting, lines, consistency.
You can be the fastest car by being agressive, but being agressive too early can cost you the race. Better to get a 39th place finish than a DNF. You dont even need a fast car to win. You need skill. Like in soccer: a strong leg cant win a game if you cant kick straight.
Agreed. What's the point of grid starts if you're supposed to be conservative?
Found the guy who wipes out 4 cars on the first lap..
Never in a history of racing the race was won on first lap.
Many have been lost there.
Best chances of winning isn't overtaking as much as you can. It's qualifying and starting at the front of the field.
I'm so much better when I use the camera that just shows the track and not the cockpit. Idk what it is about having that good of visibility but I can rip it like that lol
I disagree with number 9. I feel like it's personal preference. I like seeing my wheel in game and the steering wheel screen and/or gauges contain information that will allow me to get rid of the HUD in some cases.
New racers, don't feel the need to adapt to what people tell you you should be doing with this. Find a distance and FOV that suits where you're comfortable and never change it.
Oh, you forgot one thing. How bout the 60 yard dive bomb. Coming from half a straight back to try and pass in the corner when no such passing zone is availible.
Good video on how to kill all the joy for new players.
Yeah if you're new then just have fun. Most of these don't really matter if you're not playing very competitively and other points he said are just subjective. He's not an expert
Don't worry about the length of your videos.... the information you provide is just great. As you said, consistency is important not the pace. I'm also a new guy in sim racing just started two weeks ago with f1.im an f1 fan.
Personally, i dont like 2/3 of my screen being the inside of the car, when i need to see where im driving... Cocpit view in WRC 7 sucks XD
THE WRC SERIES ISN'T SIMULATION FFS, GET DIRT RALLY 2.0 THE PHYSICS IN THAT ONE ARE MUCH BETTER
I agree, sat my own car, I don't see the wheel, cluster, dash, A-pillar and part of the roof in my field of view. also for how far I am from the screen, the cockpit view would simulate me being sat the back seat! What I see in real life is part of the hood and the road so I choose the hood cam.
After watching a friend throw himself out there against real people combined with his overwhelming desire to beat everyone and the carnage that results I have hesitated to try it. Thanks for the video. Think I'll wait.
Mike Young no need to wait, just start at the back of the grid and be patient and remember the most important thing, enjoy the race. Don't worry about winning. Only improving your position.
Excellent video mate except I disagree with your cockpit cam on point 8. You had very valid points but ultimately its person to person preference how ever having the cam detached from the car such as a chase cam is indeed a no no. I have been a sim racer since i can remember and often prefer the bonnet or bumper cam. Besides that everything else I agree with you 100% man and glad you actually created this video. Lets hope people absorb this critical information and become more respectful on the roads :)
Fred Nel I
Im new to sim racing and I always use hood view when I smash my windshield^^
I'm surely not a professional Sim racer but I'd say im atleast an intermediate racer and I don't see why chase cam is a nono. You can see so much more with that, you can see how well you're hitting your apex or to avoid collision while going side by side with someone through a turn and 1/4th of your screen isn't covered by unnecessary interiors of the car
Surely the idea of Sim racing is to as accurately reflect driving a real car as possible. A real racing driver wouldn't use chase cam. bonnet cam, etc. If you use those your just playing a game rather than simulating racing.
A real racing driver wouldn't be using 1 monitor either :D
Heres a good 12th one; ignoring blue flags. For absolute beginners if you see this flag it means faster car approaching and you need to let that car behind pass as quickly and safely as possible. In a race scenario the leader is coming up to you to lap you and you need to get out of their way or in quali or practice if you're on a warm up or cool down lap and the car behind is faster let them through as they are likely on a flying lap. There is no better way to anger the other drivers than slowing them up or ruining their race because you ignored the blue flag.
12: Think they can be Ayrton Senna after watching that Top Gear clip about him on UA-cam. So they try and do the "put the opponent in a point where they're going to crash if they don't let him through" thing, because in the clip it sounded so cool and professional. But in reality it's just divebombing and taking them out. And they always, ALWAYS think they're some sort of driving god when it rains.
Skython 12b- using the Senna quote "if you no longer go for gap..." As justification for putting the car into a gap that either never existed anyway, or was only ever getting smaller.
Not realising that Senna said it because he punted Prost and was trying to cover it up.
it's incredible how many people belive that bullshit
Aidan Millward you forgot to mention that "the punt" happened as a direct result of what happened in the '89 championship at the same track, Suzuka just a year ago.
Also putting the polesitter on the wrong side (dirty side) of the track was just the final nail for "the punt" to be executed..
Giampierogildo Tantisoldi no it's not.. only if you executed it as intentionally as "the punt" where the existing gap is closing.. if there is an actual existing gap and you got the momentum to pass, then do so.. but be a responsible passer..
I agree with some of these mainly 10 I learned to frive at an actual racing school, so I tend to. Use actual racing geommetry in sim so when I swing out to attack a corner and someone takes it as a passing opportunity and I correct off line to A. Avoid an accident or B. Cause an accident its can throw me off for at least 2 or 3 corners to adjust back to a proper pace and if its in a chicane that could be the deciding factor of placing top 5 or bottom 3.
So basically you're saying.... get gud
Capt Patrick exactly! Lol
I feel like few of these are basically "trying to win no matter what" meaning that if you are three seconds slower than others, crashing into them and blocking just not to lose few positions. I see this so much in GT Sport and other games like that
You talk about placing the viewpoint in a more realistic setting yet I don't recall any race car driver that has their face planted into the back of the windshield as you have on screen.
Real drivers do in fact see the dash and in fact the information contained there in is very important to racing. I find your so called "Forza" perspective to be far better at portraying spatial awareness than what you have set and far more realistic. You might as well have it set to hood cam as far as you have it forward.
All that said you make some good points but I feel field of view is the preference of the driver.
Nysetari Vera'liath I can agree with that. At the end if the day all of this is up to the user's preference! Happy racing. See you on the track!
That's the same view I'm using and it's realistic. I have a DIY cockpit with majority of instruments that I can access including 11inch dashboard, button box etc etc. So before you make any statement make sure you know what's behind
Are you replying to him or me?
Realistically for a driver to have a PoV as shown their head would have to be above the steering wheel. Nobody drives like that.
To be clear I'm not saying it's a bad viewpoint as the best viewpoint is whatever helps the driver drive best. But in real cars nobody is that forward. At least not in any of the cams and cockpit footage I've seen.
Actually now that I think about it, the pov does make sense from a steering set up point of view.
I was thinking about it from a drivers face pov. I don't have the luxury of a driving seat set up so I didn't take into account that factor. I'll admit my error on that. As somebody who doesn't have a seat/wheel rig the view further makes more sense to me.
I was replaying to him
4 min. in and almost everything you said was wrong.
Do you watch F1? Everyone knows that the 1st lap is the best chance to gain positions, and they all scramble to get ahead.
Default Setups are often way off the mark. When you have previous experience in a type of car, you can predict how to improve it.
The quickest way to learn how setup changes will affect the car is to make BIG adjustments first, then make them smaller as you learn the track.
I'm not going to watch beyond this point.
Hi Dan, I almost 'accidently" came across your channel for the first time - by doing a general VR search, and found your initial impressions of VR video from 2016. But when I saw your channel name, you seemed awfully familiar. So do you race on the Nordschleife Tourist servers in Assetto Corsa, as it sounds very familiar to me from there, but of course, it could just simply be another person using the word C(K)RAZY in their title.
SingleRacer Lol. Yeah I don't spend too much time in the public servers on AC. Seems like it's always a crash fest. I have been on that server a few times but it has been a while. I think my AC profile shows my actual name when I'm racing. I stick with sim racing system for racing online in AC most of the time.
Great advice man, just wanted to follow up and let you know I've pretty much started over now and it's a completely different experience... I feel the rush of being in the race now, not just trying to win a cool game. Shit, it doesn't even feel like a game! Thanks again for taking the time to make this vid.
I dont agree with no.8. Its a personal preference which camera racer uses its not a mistake he uses other camera than driver view. Especially new learner will benefit more from chase camera - he can see better how car reacts and moves on track. I am not a beginner yet I prefer chase ofrroof camera. There are many camera options and all are there to use whichever you like. Its not a mistake you use everything game offers. And yes, its still a game to have fun
Vladimir Brozik I can understand your reasoning here, but I feel like using a different camera such as hood or chace camera will leave you at a disadvantage when you start to race on sims that only allow the cockpit camera during a race such as iracing. But yes I agree it's personal preference so if you want to sit on top of the car go ahead lol. Just jkg by the way.
Dan's Racing & Simulations yeah I know. For me, drever camera is a bit claustrophobic with too much black on the edges. Its ok with a wheel but with controller its a bit pain. Somehow I get better times with chase and then in replay I enjoy few laps with driver cam. Or...maybe I have just excuses for being bad driver with driver cam :-D
Vladimir Brozik racing with a controller is worse than chase cam, double wammy dude
U should b playing need for speed lol
luiz Nardi you shouldnt respond to others publicly like this and make a fool of yourself
Great video. As a recent graduate out of control pad racing I'm guilty pushing too hard and NEEDING TO GET FIRST. But don't worry sim racers. I'm not racing publicly yet. Still practicing with AI.
This is so on the money. The first lap madness is my number 1 complaint. Calm down, settle into the race. Find your groove. I'm an intermediate racer, and usually finish top half of the field. There's so much great racing to be had even at this skill level, and it bugs me when a few idiots lack the brain power to think of others or make good judgement.
1:08 but then again, being aggressive on the first few laps allows you to gain track position that you would otherwise have to gain later on one car at a time and with them likely to be spaced further apart
“Anything other than the cockpit cam is wrong!” Uses steering wheel camera 🤔
I was enjoying this video but it sounds more like a rant... people doing things you don’t like... What I’ve got from this is, people have spent a lot of money on sim racing and you new people are taking risks and ruining it for the people who take it overly serious 🤦🏾♂️
I sort of agree with the being less aggressive on the first few laps, however, you need to be a BIT aggressive because you don't want those in the front taking advantage of that open road ahead of them. You have to be aggressive but also anticipate what the drivers around you will do coming into a turn and make quick judgements based off of that.