I like the way you explain things, but if I can recommend one thing: You show us a video of how the driving shouldn't be done (jerky), then I would like to see how it's properly done: A side by side comparison of some kind would help out a lot. Keep up the good work :)
@@Urufu-san I wont explain well and maybe you wont understand, i reccomend you to see game plays from experienced people such as jimmy broadbent new content and see how they manage the throttle pedal, so the proper way can vary depending on the driver style, some.would make harsh and agressive style such as senna and some will do it as Shumacher and there are many other ways to drive beside this guys and be faster such as put full throttle before the apex (setup with too much understeer) entry hard and push the throttle after or in climax (oversteer setup), the proper way is to do it constant through the corner and dont drop too hard the throttle pedal to change balance too much, you will notice when you set times and constantly you will improve and make it natural, you need to be smooth but not too smooth because you need to feel when the car reach a limit (corrections) and be near the limit for example i tend to make the car go early in some apex and push harder im able to fight for 3rd place to 5th place in every race and be one second behind the pace, im getting closer to the pace after some practice as im working on setups and when you go to a real car the magic happens
Scott is relatively new to sim racing, and he is really teaching as an experienced racing instructor. I highly recommend his Driver61 University series. It's free and it's very detailed. It's here on UA-cam, but there is more information if you use the website. driver61.com/uni/
UA-cam is a one to one medium where you are speaking directly to the people watching on a device. So filming you from the side looking at something else is weird. It breaks the connection, like someone who is speaking to you just turn away but carries on talking. The film technique works if you are being interviewed and are looking at another person we can see or speaking to an audience in front of you, but not just a camera, because that camera in front of you represents us! Love the videos! Great info clearly explained, whoever you're looking at! 💚😋
Yeah, a wheel is great. I'd recommend a Logitech Driving Force GT as the cheapest option that has force feedback. They don't make them anymore, but you can find them on eBay. I actually just upgraded recently, and I'd sell mine if you're interested.
I am starting to smooth out my driving and its weird i feel like i am going slower but my times are better..Its hard for me to shut off what, in my mind, feels fasts
You're experiencing less panic. Because you are smoother, everything feels less hurried and more in control, and thus it feels slower because you're not mashing the throttle and wringing the neck of the vehicle. However, because you're being more mechanically sympathetic the vehicle rewards you with lower laptimes, thanks to a better balance. If you ever ride a motorbike you'll feel this tenfold - unless you're right at the ragged edge then riding more smoothly is considerably faster than riding "hard".
It's so much easier to look ahead correctly in VR then on a flat screen too. I am usually 2 seconds faster per lap around Spa when I use my VR headset compared to a flat screen.
Was the example video 5 FPS? I always remember what Jackie Stewart says. Never go back on the throttle until you know you wont have to take it off again.
hey Scott, these vids are just enlightening :D a lot of people on youtube 'teach' sim racing by saying things like 'you should trailbrake', 'keep track of weight transfer', but no one really *explains* why. thanks for the series mate, jumping onto my sim now!
I absolutely can't express how much I enjoy your teachings. I hear your voice in my head on track every time now.. haha. You have helped me so much.im gonna go back and watch more videos
I've found (in my experience) going from a real car to sim that I often forget to respect my inertia. In the car you can feel the transfer and spend far less time on the loud pedal on entry and mid using it only to counter the under steer/ balance. Graduating as you see where you are going including what your arse and hands are telling you to exit the corner. In Sim racing I can't quite turn off the, I see the exit in stages so go after it a stage at a time and often get front wash. I can't seem to substitute to inputs and end up relying on my eyes.
These videos are great. As someone who really got into the f1 games a few years ago I've gotten to the point of using no assists and am driving at 80-95 ai difficulty but haven't been getting faster, this is exactly the kind of analysis that has been missing from my sim growth.
Wow Driver61 is the best race driving coach on youtube ever. The way he coach both sim and real world definitely tell this guy is dedicated race coach that you could have been looking for.
Your videos are incredible. Not just this one, all of them. You deserve more subscribers. Keep it up! PS. Utilizing these techniques I’ve studied from you for months, I’m at 2.7k iRating on an Xbox controller! Pole position many times but unfortunately harder to be consistent. Still waiting for my pedals to finally complete my build. Can’t wait to see if I can be more consistent and faster with my full setup! Either way, I’ve been able to build good habits by simply gaining knowledge about HOW to go fast. Thank you.
After completing D61 4 week training course all of your videos play with new colors. Also i start to really enjoy watching real life racing footage and my favorite japan video journals give me new information that i did not saw before. Again, thx Scott and all team. Alex G =)
This is why its important to set correct FOV to give yourself a better speed awareness. And it's a lot easier to look ahead and see your braking spots. Awesome video keep them coming. 👍
Learned this randomly some years back.. always wondered why I was quicker when chasing a car and realized I was focusing on the car ahead and it prepped me for the upcoming corners better.
Nice video and good advice. It would be good if you talk more about the technical aspects of vehicle stability and how driver inputs affect the car. For example: understeer due to excessive throttle application isn’t just about weight transfer, it’s also about differential lock. The differential locks up more as torque is applied. This information can be used to improve steering characteristics, such as a fast sweeping corner where continuous full or part throttle is required. It can be beneficial to reduce throttle inputs slightly to reduce diff lock allowing the car to turn before smoothly reapplying the throttle. At higher speeds where downforce is high and acceleration is low, throttle inputs affect vehicle balance less and it becomes more about the mechanics of the vehicle and how that is affected by driver inputs. I’m not a pro racer but I am an engineer and I love cars so I’m reasonably knowledgeable about the mechanics of a car and how driver inputs affect the cars behaviour.
1:55 “when you drop all the grip out of the car in such a hard way that means that you’re not driving the car in the smoothest way possible.” Wow amazing explanation 😂
Thanks for posting these helpful videos. I think a video like this could really benefit from splitting between footage showing both correct AND incorrect technique (highlighting throttle/brake meters) . Pics/vids worth 1000 words and all that... great work though. Appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
no one explained me this but i was able to realise by myself since i was a teen, i was crazy about racing , cars bikes everything... im gratefull that i have such mechanics from myself but i also loved the vid, there are things that you explain that only you can learn with time or with someone else
Did you already do a video on how to set up the FOV ? Because that would be something useful to better apprehend the distances. I love how you explain things and it already got me better. Thanks !
You have so good and so explanatory tutorials. I m watching every one of it and then i try to apply what i learn from you to the sim racing. Keep going like this. Ciprian
This is good basic advice for people who are just getting started and are way off the pace or having issues controlling the car. If you are new, follow this advice. But I think at a more advanced level, trail brake and get the car rotated early and pointed in the right direction slightly before the apex, then get on the throttle as early as possible and as hard as possible while straightening the wheel (then hold on for dear life as you get slingshotted toward the exit). Instead of the car traveling in a steady arcing fashion, the corner becomes more of a V shape. I'm not saying don't be smooth, but if you're not smooth AND very aggressive you will be WAY off the pace.
I agreed, looking at some footage of formula1 drivers the way their inputs are is literally on/off, very aggressive with pedals inputs but on the other hand the steering input is so smooth.
I "learned" this some years ago watching a video where Jackie Stewart was exactly saying this! If I remember well he was telling that some drivers think they're very fast because they're jerking the accelerator a lot and they're not! He then told to the interviewer: when you get in the accelerator, do it one time only! progressively obviously
vMaxDaniel Exactly the same, I still remember his words in his exact accent: “Never apply full throttle untill you are 100% sure you don’t have to release it again” Very true words
I left simracing 2 years ago after many competitive seasons. What I learned about this subject.1 Brake for the corner. 2 let the car relax in the turn and don't press the throttle. 3 A small amount of throttle midcorner helps the front of the car dive in to the apex. 4 once the front end is pointing to the exit of the corner start throttling up progressively to 100%
What's the most efficient way to navigate through a series of corners. eg a chicane or 3-4 close sharp corners in a row = lots of fast direction changes.
Always think of the next corner in the series before you're exiting the previous. Don't sharply transition from the exit of one into the entry of another (no sudden inputs). The most efficient line will depend on the car and its limits, watch replays of better drivers. Suzuka esses is a great one.
I went to a rally driving school a few years ago and they said that one technique for good cornering was to plan the next corner while actually cornering. We have to have planned that turn as well but as way to get attention away from the immediacy of the actual turn, where there is nothing you can really do responsively as everything is happening too fast, look ahead yeas but also actively plan the next turn. It seems like a good albeit advanced approach. But getting attention a way up the road is half, or more, the battle.
Another problem or reason people may be throttling up inconsistently as you described, is because their SIM setup may not be providing enough feedback about what the car is doing(over steer or understeer). It is a problem I had until I sorted out the correct settings for my wheel with each racing sim program/game. When my settings were wonky, I was unable to properly judge/feel the amount of grip under the car, causing me to kind of test it with the throttle throughout the corner.
Hey scott, would be nice if you could look at the different pedel types available on the market. One of the biggest isues with throttle and brake application are the light weight springs used on sim pedels. Its not until you get upto the above 1K type pedels that this really irons itself out. It mights be a good idea if you could get some and look at ways in which we may be able to setup around the issue or even suggest springs etc to look for to get the feel on the pedel right.
I recently moved from the standard G920 pedels after spending money on a bodner conversion and different performance kits to a set of fanatec V2 pedels and while the brakes are now awesome the throttle is still on the light side. The other issue it how to get around software ramping built in to emulate such things as a butterfly response.
i have G29 and if i want i have no problem with throttle or brake application imo ...no wheelspins etc, consistent braking in every corner with different cars, just no issue for me (driving in iRacing)
@@SgtRayman thats fair enough, different people have different requirements. No two pro drivers like exactly the same set up so why would sim be different. That said a change to the fanatecs wiped more than a second on most tracks off my times and even more on some. The loadcell braking makes the biggest difference for threshold braking and trail braking once its setup right. But if you're happy with what you have that cool.
@@jonharrison8130 oh yea, since i can still see that i am competetive with that setup i will keep it ...but i am definitely not against upgrading if i need to :)
Can you make tutorials that show you driving and demonstrating techniques on a sim? eg "Look what happens in this next corner when I do " "Now look what happens when I change it to "
You might wanna have a look at some older vids with Sean Cole (simpit) i learned a brunch of stuff back when i started 7years ago. Hes very down to earth and fun person.. Hes spends some time i iracing but also drops in on other Sims. Look him up👍
Nice one Scott. In sim it's tricky to find the point where you transition from brake to throttle and effectively hold road load so you don't lose momentum. Well, it's trickier for me, at least. I find it easier to do this transition in my car at the track. Perhaps this can be adjusted in the sim through settings of throttle deadband but it's not good for training your right foot.
great content, it really helped me to get more consistent and sqeeze out a couple of tenths here amd there. I suggest you hang up some rags vertically behind the camera and to your left to cut down on the echo. Cleaner audio would make it that much more enjoyable to watch
Jeez racing games and their physics models have come a long way since I first played buggy boy on the c64! I'm struggling with Dirt Rally and it's linked to my heavy feet on the pedals :). Really good video
Great video and perfect timing for me! I recently discovered that my throttle control was crap and have been working on it since. As you said, proper vision has helped a lot. I'm now constantly reminding myself to look as far ahead as possible. I also put a stiffer spring in my throttle pedal to give me more feel at the beginning of the pedal's travel. It helps keep me from using too much too soon.
For looking ahead, if using single monitor setups without head tracking it's kinda hard looking ahead on really tight turns like hairpins and what not because you only have so much field of view without having to try and hold the camera in a certain direction while trying to drive. Another issue I have sometimes is tracks I don't know. I don't race with a map so that doesn't help but not knowing the track alone is crucial and would just take practice, but also some spots like those small S curves while you were saying look ahead I didn't see. Granted I'm watching on a small screen(phone) I was looking ahead and not knowing the track I didn't see those at first.
I have done some sim racing years ago when Papyrus was still in the game. I have done some high performance driver education courses on race tracks. Not all that great of a performance driver but I found that sims were impossible for me. Even with buying a - at the time - expensive wheel and pedal set up - the issue was zero feeling of what the car was doing. There were always dead spots in the pedals and they were just way to easy to push that being smooth was something I was never able to do. Never knew when the brake was starting to work and slow down the car yet one of the guys I raced with was in a wheel chair and used a joystick and was one of the top drivers in our league.
in my experience i am doing the exact thing as this guy does in tracks that i do not know that well. Once i put in 20-30 laps in a single session this completely eliminates that jerkyness. But yeah Scott your videos helped me out tremenduosly to cut down my lap times in acc and develop my driving technique, Thank you for sharing!
Ayrton Senna would have disapproved you saying the "on and off" technique is bad. Hehe, great video, i love all your videos, old and new. Cheers Alot ! :)
Hey man. Big thank you for this. I really need that type of information. I''ve subbed and looking forward to see what your other content has! Big KUDOS.
*What about Engine braking?* I see a lot of my friends engine braking before some corners and i don't really know where I can use that. For example let's say I start braking hard at the 100 meters sign and I see them start engine braking at the 150 meters sign and then use brakes but not as hard as I do and they exit the corner faster than me. I hope you could do a video about Engine braking/ lift and coast versus heavy braking explanation .. Thank you in advance.
Consistent downshifts can deffo help reduce the amount of braking required in braking zones but too much will lock the diff and spin you. I tend to find a cheeky down and upshift mid corner can help to align the car for the apex but again you have to be careful not to over lock the diff and spin out. It all depends on the kind of car you are driving. GT's are better with engine braking, aero cars are more of a fine balancing act.
I have been watching your videos the past few days on repeat so that your advice sinks in. When I approach a corner, I have a habit of looking at my brake point then looking at my speed while going through the corner. How can I teach myself to quit looking at my speed?
Me for the first 3 minutes and 35 sectonds: "Oh thank god, a Driver61 video without talking about 'vision' " Me at 3:37: oh NO Scott at 3:40: "...lack of VISION"
Another good idea, is, if your racing game/simulator has a "theoretical best line", turn that assist off... It will force you to look ahead in the turns... For the longest time, I always used that assist, mainly to find braking points... But then I got too used to staring at that colour changing line and not looking ahead, and my throttle input was often inconsistent... I just recently started running with that assist off, and my cornering seems smoother... I may be a bit slower as now I'm forced to find visual references, rather than staring at a line in the road, but my cornering is smoother and more consistent...
Great idea to dedicate a channel to sim drivers. Not everybody has the means to go racing in real life :-). One of the things I struggle with in driving sims is to understand when I'm driving on the edge of the grip / when I start having understeer / when I start having understeer. Any suggestions on how the force feedback wheel let's you know or how to set up sound (in general lines of course) to detect being on the edge would be very very welcome. Best of luck with the channel.
I use my eyes a little more than relying on the FFB. Ie when I see the car rotate more than the corner, I see oversteer. and if I see the front wandering, understeer. Driving is very visual. But you need to spot this quick mid corner and adjust. Hope it helps
Can you help with some ARB clarification? If we have a typical ARB set up with 2 bar sizes small and large and there is also 10 different blade adjustments, how is a normal stepped increase in ARB stiffness obtained? Is it by starting with the Small Bar and Blade 1, then onto Small Bar and Blade 2, and so forth up to Blade 10? Then changing to the Large bar with Blade 1, and then progressing onward from there? Or, would it be SML-1 then LRG-1, then SML-2 then LRG-2, and so forth. Please can you give us some insight into how a normal graduation would occur with the steps. Thank you for your time.
Thanks for the tips...really aprectiated...i constantly try to force myself to look a bit further than im used to down the track but it's still fairly hard for me...doesnt comes naturally but overtime i'm sure ill do it without having to think about it.
Another great video with some good consistent themes coming through, be smooth in your weight transfer of the vehicle and look ahead! I think it would be interesting to ask your clients what would happen if they were riding a motorcycle and took 3 jabs at the throttle through the corner! Thanks for all your hard work, your words are in my head when I am racing now 👍
Hi Scott, nice new Channel... very helpful! I miss the explanation for FWD cars, like the Audi RS3, for example. There is not much weight transfer, but still a lot of wheelspin.
I’m using sim racing during the winter to improve trail braking and throttle response in real life for my bike 😁 Even if it’s done with our legs here our brain needs training with the response and motorcycle games are really bad 😂 apart from that Jardier is using on and off throttle mid corner to deal with understeer and it works
Another great video thank you for teaching us to understand more about racing professionally Would like to learn more about declarations sometimes it is hard to judge the downshift timing it seems that if you downshift and revving high is slower to slow car down than downshift when the rpm is relatively low.
Both your channels are pure gold. Entertaining while also highly informative with that technical focus and real race driver perspective. Your videos made me a better Sim racer. Thank you Scott. I appreciate your work and that you share your knowledge with us.
I am been having so much trouble trying to get into and out of the apex. It's so annoying, your lessons are helping, but I am still having issues. I think I am having issues finding my brake line also which is bad.
Scott Id like to see a video foe a complete begginner directing Bahrain. Such as into corner one about the hundred full brake downshifting into 1,2. N show where in exit to begin smoothly accelerating etc, Like what speed we should be hitting like corner ten. Kinda dissecting everything. For f123 or well any game Bahrain. The. Maybe move on to race two of season. Lol I’d u get caught up you could dissect it with the season that’s going on.
First, i like watching your "masterclasses" and most of it makes pretty good sense... as a basis. But drivers have different styles. You can say 'you should do this or you should do that, but some drivers prever a car that turns like it's on rails, others (like Michael Schumacher) prever a bit of oversteer. Ayrton Senna always seemed to be "dancing" with his car. As for the throttle, Have you ever looked at Ayrton Senna's technique? I've seen your video on "heel toe" technique and Ayrton didn't only push the throttle to match his revs with his gears. He severely fluctuates his throttle at the beginning of the exit of a corner, before putting it to the floor. Some believe it's a remnant of his "turbo era" in order to limit turbo lag. Anyhow, it worked for him. As I said, I like your channel and love watching it, so keep it up.
It depends on the engine concept aswell. On turbo engines for example those harsh inputs can controll turbo pressure if you know what you are doing. Also it depends massivly on the setup. In this tutorial here, he discuss the driving style on a absolutly neutral car, but when your car has not a 100% perfect setup, you need to make your way arround those issues. In a perfect world with a perfect setup, you would just be super super smooth with your inputs, but actually that is not the case in the real world.
Great Scott ! What a great video & technique Scott ! 👏 That said, Ayrton Senna was supposedly famous for his staccato throttle technique where he would be on & off the throttle through the corners. Could you elaborate on how such a technique could be useful Scott ?
In the case of a turbocharged engine with high levels of boost, there can be a significant lag between the time the accelerator is pressed and the time the engine starts making full power. By stabbing at the throttle early, it puts exhaust gas through the turbo, meaning it is already producing some boost pressure when the time comes to accelerate away from the corner, so the lag time will be reduced.
One of the reasons sim drivers look near their car, instead of up the road, is because they use their eyes to see what the attitude of the car is, and how that is changing in respect to the track, and that means staring near the edges of the car. It's an ok habit for the occasional 'moment' when your just over the limit and need that extra information to determine your instinctive reaction to avoid spinning. But as a general rule you should be driving with your eyes always up the road.
When i look far ahead, i don't need to think about how to drive the car to get there. It comes with experience, i have near 10 000h on sims (i'm NOT very fast, i disappointingly found out few years ago) and it takes quite a lot of experience to get there. But the main difference is in the workload your brain has to make. It comes in the end as naturally as walking. If you look really close, it takes way more effort. But you do need lots of trust and confidence from the car too, understanding how it behaves with mass transfer. Don't worry too much about checking if you are exact millimeters from the apex, your eyes will do microsaccades, very rapid movements that will take care of most such details. Only thing you need to think about is "i want to go there" and you will get there. If you look at 110m hurdles, they are not looking at the next obstacle but the one after that. The rest is experience and letting your brain do what it does the best.
a lot of this goes down to the turbo characteristics of this aera i guess. he just had to keep up the turbopressure... remember walter röhrl with the audi s1. leftfootbraking in the corner to make the car turn better (cause the had no handbrake like today) and keep up the loadingpressure of this big turbo.
my trouble is I can't get the NSX to understeer mid corner by slamming on the accelerator.. Is it because its too underpower? but sometimes maddenly enough, slight jerky along the straight, it would spin uncontrollably.
Hi Scott, I watch Driver61 a lot and I've learned a ton of new things from you, thanks! I also love the new channel, but I'm a little bit confused: why do you use another channel for sim racers? Is it because of the fact that on the sim you can't feel the car as much as you would in real life or are there noticeable differences between sim techniques and real life techniques?
Great video's! You can really tell that you have the professional knowledge on racing and I think this will help to make us faster much sooner. Could you please do something about the audio? Put up a curtain or any sound absorbing material because there is way too much echo. Keep up the informative video's!
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I like the way you explain things, but if I can recommend one thing: You show us a video of how the driving shouldn't be done (jerky), then I would like to see how it's properly done: A side by side comparison of some kind would help out a lot. Keep up the good work :)
I just wanted to write the very same thing after watching... talk talk talk but no visual comparison...
@@Urufu-san I wont explain well and maybe you wont understand, i reccomend you to see game plays from experienced people such as jimmy broadbent new content and see how they manage the throttle pedal, so the proper way can vary depending on the driver style, some.would make harsh and agressive style such as senna and some will do it as Shumacher and there are many other ways to drive beside this guys and be faster such as put full throttle before the apex (setup with too much understeer) entry hard and push the throttle after or in climax (oversteer setup), the proper way is to do it constant through the corner and dont drop too hard the throttle pedal to change balance too much, you will notice when you set times and constantly you will improve and make it natural, you need to be smooth but not too smooth because you need to feel when the car reach a limit (corrections) and be near the limit for example i tend to make the car go early in some apex and push harder im able to fight for 3rd place to 5th place in every race and be one second behind the pace, im getting closer to the pace after some practice as im working on setups and when you go to a real car the magic happens
It's called paid version .. XD
@@yewyyew4473 exactly
This, I watched the whole video hoping to se THE RIGHT way to do it..
I'm glad someone is serious teaching about it. Thanks.
Me too it's good and people need to listen as online race's public is horrible
Scott is relatively new to sim racing, and he is really teaching as an experienced racing instructor. I highly recommend his Driver61 University series. It's free and it's very detailed. It's here on UA-cam, but there is more information if you use the website. driver61.com/uni/
gfcgamer Orgone He is Sim Racing Yoda.
UA-cam is a one to one medium where you are speaking directly to the people watching on a device. So filming you from the side looking at something else is weird. It breaks the connection, like someone who is speaking to you just turn away but carries on talking.
The film technique works if you are being interviewed and are looking at another person we can see or speaking to an audience in front of you, but not just a camera, because that camera in front of you represents us!
Love the videos! Great info clearly explained, whoever you're looking at! 💚😋
Thanks for the feedback - we're learning!
I wish my W and S buttons act like real pedals.
Yeah, a wheel is great. I'd recommend a Logitech Driving Force GT as the cheapest option that has force feedback. They don't make them anymore, but you can find them on eBay. I actually just upgraded recently, and I'd sell mine if you're interested.
Buy Wooting keyboard
I got Arduino laying around. Probably I can build one by myself lol
Buy Steering wheel
@@spizzlo salesman?
I am starting to smooth out my driving and its weird i feel like i am going slower but my times are better..Its hard for me to shut off what, in my mind, feels fasts
You're experiencing less panic. Because you are smoother, everything feels less hurried and more in control, and thus it feels slower because you're not mashing the throttle and wringing the neck of the vehicle. However, because you're being more mechanically sympathetic the vehicle rewards you with lower laptimes, thanks to a better balance. If you ever ride a motorbike you'll feel this tenfold - unless you're right at the ragged edge then riding more smoothly is considerably faster than riding "hard".
Slower is faster ;)
Ever follow a faster driver and notice how they make it look smooth and effortless? All about looking far ahead and smooth applications.
Not slower, just smoother.
@@supersloth1667 no
It's so much easier to look ahead correctly in VR then on a flat screen too. I am usually 2 seconds faster per lap around Spa when I use my VR headset compared to a flat screen.
idk about you but the immersion makes me waaaay less distracted in VR, too.
@@xhappybunnyx Other way around for me, I often get distracted looking at the scenery lol, AC with SOL and CSP is just gorgeous...
Was the example video 5 FPS? I always remember what Jackie Stewart says. Never go back on the throttle until you know you wont have to take it off again.
Good episode of Top Gear that👍
hey Scott, these vids are just enlightening :D a lot of people on youtube 'teach' sim racing by saying things like 'you should trailbrake', 'keep track of weight transfer', but no one really *explains* why. thanks for the series mate, jumping onto my sim now!
your speaking is gold for us, very intutitive and practical example of what you teach, well done man! subbed!
I absolutely can't express how much I enjoy your teachings. I hear your voice in my head on track every time now.. haha. You have helped me so much.im gonna go back and watch more videos
Crew Cheif + his voice, yeah,I would use it :D
I've found (in my experience) going from a real car to sim that I often forget to respect my inertia. In the car you can feel the transfer and spend far less time on the loud pedal on entry and mid using it only to counter the under steer/ balance. Graduating as you see where you are going including what your arse and hands are telling you to exit the corner. In Sim racing I can't quite turn off the, I see the exit in stages so go after it a stage at a time and often get front wash. I can't seem to substitute to inputs and end up relying on my eyes.
These videos are great.
As someone who really got into the f1 games a few years ago I've gotten to the point of using no assists and am driving at 80-95 ai difficulty but haven't been getting faster, this is exactly the kind of analysis that has been missing from my sim growth.
Official f1 games don’t use these techniques, this is more for sims like I racing, acc, ac, rf2
Wow Driver61 is the best race driving coach on youtube ever. The way he coach both sim and real world definitely tell this guy is dedicated race coach that you could have been looking for.
I’m definitely not looking far enough ahead. Thank you.
Your videos are incredible. Not just this one, all of them. You deserve more subscribers. Keep it up!
PS. Utilizing these techniques I’ve studied from you for months, I’m at 2.7k iRating on an Xbox controller! Pole position many times but unfortunately harder to be consistent. Still waiting for my pedals to finally complete my build. Can’t wait to see if I can be more consistent and faster with my full setup! Either way, I’ve been able to build good habits by simply gaining knowledge about HOW to go fast. Thank you.
After completing D61 4 week training course all of your videos play with new colors. Also i start to really enjoy watching real life racing footage and my favorite japan video journals give me new information that i did not saw before. Again, thx Scott and all team. Alex G =)
Ah, great to see Oschersleben - a great track that for a while was home to DTM (hopefully again soon)
This is why its important to set correct FOV to give yourself a better speed awareness. And it's a lot easier to look ahead and see your braking spots. Awesome video keep them coming. 👍
Learned this randomly some years back.. always wondered why I was quicker when chasing a car and realized I was focusing on the car ahead and it prepped me for the upcoming corners better.
The explanations in your videos are by far the best on you tube. Enjoying improving after watching and learning a lot from them. 👍
Nice video and good advice. It would be good if you talk more about the technical aspects of vehicle stability and how driver inputs affect the car. For example: understeer due to excessive throttle application isn’t just about weight transfer, it’s also about differential lock. The differential locks up more as torque is applied. This information can be used to improve steering characteristics, such as a fast sweeping corner where continuous full or part throttle is required. It can be beneficial to reduce throttle inputs slightly to reduce diff lock allowing the car to turn before smoothly reapplying the throttle. At higher speeds where downforce is high and acceleration is low, throttle inputs affect vehicle balance less and it becomes more about the mechanics of the vehicle and how that is affected by driver inputs.
I’m not a pro racer but I am an engineer and I love cars so I’m reasonably knowledgeable about the mechanics of a car and how driver inputs affect the cars behaviour.
1:55 “when you drop all the grip out of the car in such a hard way that means that you’re not driving the car in the smoothest way possible.” Wow amazing explanation 😂
The mechanical engineer in me died a bit hearing this
Thanks for posting these helpful videos. I think a video like this could really benefit from splitting between footage showing both correct AND incorrect technique (highlighting throttle/brake meters) . Pics/vids worth 1000 words and all that... great work though. Appreciate your time and effort to help the community.
Loving these in dept techniques.
But what gets me the most is car setups especially on F1. Could you do a very detailed video on this at some point?
no one explained me this but i was able to realise by myself since i was a teen, i was crazy about racing , cars bikes everything... im gratefull that i have such mechanics from myself but i also loved the vid, there are things that you explain that only you can learn with time or with someone else
Did you already do a video on how to set up the FOV ? Because that would be something useful to better apprehend the distances.
I love how you explain things and it already got me better. Thanks !
cant thank you enough for all your insights. Every video, so far, has made me faster. thank you again
You have so good and so explanatory tutorials. I m watching every one of it and then i try to apply what i learn from you to the sim racing. Keep going like this.
Ciprian
This is good basic advice for people who are just getting started and are way off the pace or having issues controlling the car. If you are new, follow this advice. But I think at a more advanced level, trail brake and get the car rotated early and pointed in the right direction slightly before the apex, then get on the throttle as early as possible and as hard as possible while straightening the wheel (then hold on for dear life as you get slingshotted toward the exit). Instead of the car traveling in a steady arcing fashion, the corner becomes more of a V shape. I'm not saying don't be smooth, but if you're not smooth AND very aggressive you will be WAY off the pace.
I agreed, looking at some footage of formula1 drivers the way their inputs are is literally on/off, very aggressive with pedals inputs but on the other hand the steering input is so smooth.
I "learned" this some years ago watching a video where Jackie Stewart was exactly saying this! If I remember well he was telling that some drivers think they're very fast because they're jerking the accelerator a lot and they're not! He then told to the interviewer: when you get in the accelerator, do it one time only! progressively obviously
vMaxDaniel Exactly the same, I still remember his words in his exact accent: “Never apply full throttle untill you are 100% sure you don’t have to release it again”
Very true words
1:10 is a really good example of causing understeer by weight transfer. The driver instantly misses the next apex as the front is driven away from it
I left simracing 2 years ago after many competitive seasons. What I learned about this subject.1 Brake for the corner. 2 let the car relax in the turn and don't press the throttle. 3 A small amount of throttle midcorner helps the front of the car dive in to the apex. 4 once the front end is pointing to the exit of the corner start throttling up progressively to 100%
Watched these videos and went to the iracing Okayama track and was a whole second faster by concentrating on what you’ve said.
What's the most efficient way to navigate through a series of corners. eg a chicane or 3-4 close sharp corners in a row = lots of fast direction changes.
Always think of the next corner in the series before you're exiting the previous. Don't sharply transition from the exit of one into the entry of another (no sudden inputs). The most efficient line will depend on the car and its limits, watch replays of better drivers. Suzuka esses is a great one.
I went to a rally driving school a few years ago and they said that one technique for good cornering was to plan the next corner while actually cornering.
We have to have planned that turn as well but as way to get attention away from the immediacy of the actual turn, where there is nothing you can really do responsively as everything is happening too fast, look ahead yeas but also actively plan the next turn.
It seems like a good albeit advanced approach. But getting attention a way up the road is half, or more, the battle.
Another problem or reason people may be throttling up inconsistently as you described, is because their SIM setup may not be providing enough feedback about what the car is doing(over steer or understeer). It is a problem I had until I sorted out the correct settings for my wheel with each racing sim program/game. When my settings were wonky, I was unable to properly judge/feel the amount of grip under the car, causing me to kind of test it with the throttle throughout the corner.
Hey scott, would be nice if you could look at the different pedel types available on the market. One of the biggest isues with throttle and brake application are the light weight springs used on sim pedels. Its not until you get upto the above 1K type pedels that this really irons itself out. It mights be a good idea if you could get some and look at ways in which we may be able to setup around the issue or even suggest springs etc to look for to get the feel on the pedel right.
I recently moved from the standard G920 pedels after spending money on a bodner conversion and different performance kits to a set of fanatec V2 pedels and while the brakes are now awesome the throttle is still on the light side. The other issue it how to get around software ramping built in to emulate such things as a butterfly response.
Yo can also get a load cell mod with the fanatecs ::)
i have G29 and if i want i have no problem with throttle or brake application imo ...no wheelspins etc, consistent braking in every corner with different cars, just no issue for me (driving in iRacing)
@@SgtRayman thats fair enough, different people have different requirements. No two pro drivers like exactly the same set up so why would sim be different. That said a change to the fanatecs wiped more than a second on most tracks off my times and even more on some. The loadcell braking makes the biggest difference for threshold braking and trail braking once its setup right. But if you're happy with what you have that cool.
@@jonharrison8130 oh yea, since i can still see that i am competetive with that setup i will keep it ...but i am definitely not against upgrading if i need to :)
Can you make tutorials that show you driving and demonstrating techniques on a sim?
eg "Look what happens in this next corner when I do "
"Now look what happens when I change it to "
You might wanna have a look at some older vids with Sean Cole (simpit) i learned a brunch of stuff back when i started 7years ago.
Hes very down to earth and fun person..
Hes spends some time i iracing but also drops in on other Sims.
Look him up👍
The most useful stuff for an A+ GT Sport driver. Helped much!
Do you teach online? I need to improve my driving and wanted to know if you offer clases! Thank you
They have coaching on their site.
@@PebelWasTaken that was 9 months ago mate
@@justtoast9775 have they since stopped having coaching on their site mate?
@@justtoast9775 They still do it
@@0biaL pretty sure he was just pointing out how there may not have been coaching on their website 12 months ago at the time of the original comment
I really like your content, it really restarted my interest for sim racing and I'd like to thank you for putting this out on UA-cam
Thank you for these videos. I have learned a ton of things that people talk about but I never really understood. 13/10!
Nice one Scott. In sim it's tricky to find the point where you transition from brake to throttle and effectively hold road load so you don't lose momentum. Well, it's trickier for me, at least. I find it easier to do this transition in my car at the track. Perhaps this can be adjusted in the sim through settings of throttle deadband but it's not good for training your right foot.
great content, it really helped me to get more consistent and sqeeze out a couple of tenths here amd there. I suggest you hang up some rags vertically behind the camera and to your left to cut down on the echo. Cleaner audio would make it that much more enjoyable to watch
Jeez racing games and their physics models have come a long way since I first played buggy boy on the c64! I'm struggling with Dirt Rally and it's linked to my heavy feet on the pedals :). Really good video
These tips are really helping my driving.
Great video and perfect timing for me! I recently discovered that my throttle control was crap and have been working on it since. As you said, proper vision has helped a lot. I'm now constantly reminding myself to look as far ahead as possible. I also put a stiffer spring in my throttle pedal to give me more feel at the beginning of the pedal's travel. It helps keep me from using too much too soon.
For looking ahead, if using single monitor setups without head tracking it's kinda hard looking ahead on really tight turns like hairpins and what not because you only have so much field of view without having to try and hold the camera in a certain direction while trying to drive.
Another issue I have sometimes is tracks I don't know. I don't race with a map so that doesn't help but not knowing the track alone is crucial and would just take practice, but also some spots like those small S curves while you were saying look ahead I didn't see. Granted I'm watching on a small screen(phone) I was looking ahead and not knowing the track I didn't see those at first.
I have done some sim racing years ago when Papyrus was still in the game. I have done some high performance driver education courses on race tracks. Not all that great of a performance driver but I found that sims were impossible for me. Even with buying a - at the time - expensive wheel and pedal set up - the issue was zero feeling of what the car was doing. There were always dead spots in the pedals and they were just way to easy to push that being smooth was something I was never able to do. Never knew when the brake was starting to work and slow down the car yet one of the guys I raced with was in a wheel chair and used a joystick and was one of the top drivers in our league.
in my experience i am doing the exact thing as this guy does in tracks that i do not know that well. Once i put in 20-30 laps in a single session this completely eliminates that jerkyness. But yeah Scott your videos helped me out tremenduosly to cut down my lap times in acc and develop my driving technique, Thank you for sharing!
Ayrton Senna would have disapproved you saying the "on and off" technique is bad. Hehe, great video, i love all your videos, old and new. Cheers Alot ! :)
Hey man. Big thank you for this. I really need that type of information. I''ve subbed and looking forward to see what your other content has! Big KUDOS.
*What about Engine braking?*
I see a lot of my friends engine braking before some corners and i don't really know where I can use that. For example let's say I start braking hard at the 100 meters sign and I see them start engine braking at the 150 meters sign and then use brakes but not as hard as I do and they exit the corner faster than me.
I hope you could do a video about Engine braking/ lift and coast versus heavy braking explanation .. Thank you in advance.
Mathew Adams that’s most likely for fuel saving
Is that just coasting?
Consistent downshifts can deffo help reduce the amount of braking required in braking zones but too much will lock the diff and spin you. I tend to find a cheeky down and upshift mid corner can help to align the car for the apex but again you have to be careful not to over lock the diff and spin out. It all depends on the kind of car you are driving. GT's are better with engine braking, aero cars are more of a fine balancing act.
I'd say they're faster than you when exiting the corner because they probably go in slower. As the saying goes: "slow in, fast out".
@@juraj_b Or cooling the brakes
To improve my concentration while sim racing, I like to turn off all the heads up display items. Also the driver and wheel animations.
Patrick Barry only way to use a sim really
thx men i love your video you helped me so much to improved my driving drifting lapping almost everything just abit prcticing needed
I'm really glad youtube brought me to this channel. Really useful information. Thanks!
Senna is laughing in his grave at this one. Solid vid mate.
Senna was famous for his staccato throttle usage which started on turbos. Different cars and driving styles require different throttle usages.
I have been watching your videos the past few days on repeat so that your advice sinks in.
When I approach a corner, I have a habit of looking at my brake point then looking at my speed while going through the corner.
How can I teach myself to quit looking at my speed?
Thank you for the explanation it really helps me to get better and faster. Btw the racetrack is "Motorsportarena Oschersleben" in germany.
Me for the first 3 minutes and 35 sectonds: "Oh thank god, a Driver61 video without talking about 'vision' "
Me at 3:37: oh NO
Scott at 3:40: "...lack of VISION"
This is really good content! Good job Scott!
Another good idea, is, if your racing game/simulator has a "theoretical best line", turn that assist off... It will force you to look ahead in the turns... For the longest time, I always used that assist, mainly to find braking points... But then I got too used to staring at that colour changing line and not looking ahead, and my throttle input was often inconsistent... I just recently started running with that assist off, and my cornering seems smoother... I may be a bit slower as now I'm forced to find visual references, rather than staring at a line in the road, but my cornering is smoother and more consistent...
Thank you for these tutorials. It is very much appreciated
Great idea to dedicate a channel to sim drivers. Not everybody has the means to go racing in real life :-).
One of the things I struggle with in driving sims is to understand when I'm driving on the edge of the grip / when I start having understeer / when I start having understeer. Any suggestions on how the force feedback wheel let's you know or how to set up sound (in general lines of course) to detect being on the edge would be very very welcome.
Best of luck with the channel.
I use my eyes a little more than relying on the FFB. Ie when I see the car rotate more than the corner, I see oversteer. and if I see the front wandering, understeer. Driving is very visual. But you need to spot this quick mid corner and adjust. Hope it helps
Can you help with some ARB clarification? If we have a typical ARB set up with 2 bar sizes small and large and there is also 10 different blade adjustments, how is a normal stepped increase in ARB stiffness obtained? Is it by starting with the Small Bar and Blade 1, then onto Small Bar and Blade 2, and so forth up to Blade 10? Then changing to the Large bar with Blade 1, and then progressing onward from there? Or, would it be SML-1 then LRG-1, then SML-2 then LRG-2, and so forth. Please can you give us some insight into how a normal graduation would occur with the steps. Thank you for your time.
Great video, easy to understand and gives me something to work on
Thanks for the tips...really aprectiated...i constantly try to force myself to look a bit further than im used to down the track but it's still fairly hard for me...doesnt comes naturally but overtime i'm sure ill do it without having to think about it.
Another great video with some good consistent themes coming through, be smooth in your weight transfer of the vehicle and look ahead! I think it would be interesting to ask your clients what would happen if they were riding a motorcycle and took 3 jabs at the throttle through the corner! Thanks for all your hard work, your words are in my head when I am racing now 👍
Hi Scott, nice new Channel... very helpful!
I miss the explanation for FWD cars, like the Audi RS3, for example.
There is not much weight transfer, but still a lot of wheelspin.
I’m using sim racing during the winter to improve trail braking and throttle response in real life for my bike 😁 Even if it’s done with our legs here our brain needs training with the response and motorcycle games are really bad 😂 apart from that Jardier is using on and off throttle mid corner to deal with understeer and it works
I beleive braking efficiently and confidently is a key to Simracing. A good pedal brake equipment should be a main focus.
Awesome video. Helped alot. Thanks. Keep up the good work
I like Senna acoustics in corners..closing my eyes and image him hitting throttle.
Another great video thank you for teaching us to understand more about racing professionally
Would like to learn more about declarations sometimes it is hard to judge the downshift timing it seems that if you downshift and revving high is slower to slow car down than downshift when the rpm is relatively low.
Thx god ur channels exist!
Nice video, thanks. Can always use tutorials no matter how advanced we feel we are.
I started with no pedals and mastering flatout driving and how to avoid spins is a needed skill once with pedals you can be way faster
I improved my time by 2 seconds at Red Bull ring thank you so much
Both your channels are pure gold.
Entertaining while also highly informative with that technical focus and real race driver perspective.
Your videos made me a better Sim racer.
Thank you Scott. I appreciate your work and that you share your knowledge with us.
Fantastic explanation. Great talk!
Great teaching...I'm going to try
I am been having so much trouble trying to get into and out of the apex. It's so annoying, your lessons are helping, but I am still having issues. I think I am having issues finding my brake line also which is bad.
Scott Id like to see a video foe a complete begginner directing Bahrain. Such as into corner one about the hundred full brake downshifting into 1,2. N show where in exit to begin smoothly accelerating etc, Like what speed we should be hitting like corner ten. Kinda dissecting everything. For f123 or well any game Bahrain. The. Maybe move on to race two of season. Lol I’d u get caught up you could dissect it with the season that’s going on.
Not sure if you have done something on this, as it's only lightly touched upon in this video, but 'positive throttle' should be a good topic to cover.
Quick question did you mean to say outside at 4:28?
First, i like watching your "masterclasses" and most of it makes pretty good sense... as a basis.
But drivers have different styles.
You can say 'you should do this or you should do that, but some drivers prever a car that turns like it's on rails, others (like Michael Schumacher) prever a bit of oversteer.
Ayrton Senna always seemed to be "dancing" with his car.
As for the throttle,
Have you ever looked at Ayrton Senna's technique?
I've seen your video on "heel toe" technique and Ayrton didn't only push the throttle to match his revs with his gears.
He severely fluctuates his throttle at the beginning of the exit of a corner, before putting it to the floor.
Some believe it's a remnant of his "turbo era" in order to limit turbo lag.
Anyhow, it worked for him.
As I said, I like your channel and love watching it, so keep it up.
Interesting fact is that Ayrton Senna used harsh throttle input to his advantage. Never seen him use a smooth throttle input on initial input.
It depends on the engine concept aswell. On turbo engines for example those harsh inputs can controll turbo pressure if you know what you are doing. Also it depends massivly on the setup. In this tutorial here, he discuss the driving style on a absolutly neutral car, but when your car has not a 100% perfect setup, you need to make your way arround those issues. In a perfect world with a perfect setup, you would just be super super smooth with your inputs, but actually that is not the case in the real world.
Great Scott ! What a great video & technique Scott ! 👏
That said, Ayrton Senna was supposedly famous for his staccato throttle technique where he would be on & off the throttle through the corners.
Could you elaborate on how such a technique could be useful Scott ?
In the case of a turbocharged engine with high levels of boost, there can be a significant lag between the time the accelerator is pressed and the time the engine starts making full power. By stabbing at the throttle early, it puts exhaust gas through the turbo, meaning it is already producing some boost pressure when the time comes to accelerate away from the corner, so the lag time will be reduced.
He explained it here ua-cam.com/video/N4kcLyYhThE/v-deo.html
One of the reasons sim drivers look near their car, instead of up the road, is because they use their eyes to see what the attitude of the car is, and how that is changing in respect to the track, and that means staring near the edges of the car.
It's an ok habit for the occasional 'moment' when your just over the limit and need that extra information to determine your instinctive reaction to avoid spinning. But as a general rule you should be driving with your eyes always up the road.
When i look far ahead, i don't need to think about how to drive the car to get there. It comes with experience, i have near 10 000h on sims (i'm NOT very fast, i disappointingly found out few years ago) and it takes quite a lot of experience to get there. But the main difference is in the workload your brain has to make. It comes in the end as naturally as walking. If you look really close, it takes way more effort. But you do need lots of trust and confidence from the car too, understanding how it behaves with mass transfer. Don't worry too much about checking if you are exact millimeters from the apex, your eyes will do microsaccades, very rapid movements that will take care of most such details. Only thing you need to think about is "i want to go there" and you will get there. If you look at 110m hurdles, they are not looking at the next obstacle but the one after that. The rest is experience and letting your brain do what it does the best.
Nice content. Explain sennas use of the throttle, and how he was looking at the track. He used this technic all the time. How can he be so fast??
a lot of this goes down to the turbo characteristics of this aera i guess. he just had to keep up the turbopressure... remember walter röhrl with the audi s1. leftfootbraking in the corner to make the car turn better (cause the had no handbrake like today) and keep up the loadingpressure of this big turbo.
Correct!
Look at the video of him driving NSX..same thing, no turbo.
@GameLord 23 maybe. Can it be because it helped him stabilize the cars oversteer?
Like floating the car thorugh the middle of the corner , keeping it level .
Keeping the car level and prepared to throttle up out of the corner.
my trouble is I can't get the NSX to understeer mid corner by
slamming on the accelerator..
Is it because its too underpower?
but sometimes maddenly enough, slight jerky along the straight, it would spin uncontrollably.
Hi Scott, I watch Driver61 a lot and I've learned a ton of new things from you, thanks! I also love the new channel, but I'm a little bit confused: why do you use another channel for sim racers? Is it because of the fact that on the sim you can't feel the car as much as you would in real life or are there noticeable differences between sim techniques and real life techniques?
Because we're making lots of sim dedicated content and that doesn't work well on the original Driver61 channel.
@@driver61simracing10 Thank you for the additional effort, I see no other option than watching both :D
How do I deal with those weird corners - eg tightening radius (my exits are slow and clumsy)
And also those corners that slope to the outside.
snitch Seven do you know viperconcept ?
Great video's! You can really tell that you have the professional knowledge on racing and I think this will help to make us faster much sooner.
Could you please do something about the audio? Put up a curtain or any sound absorbing material because there is way too much echo.
Keep up the informative video's!
Any insight to how Senna made the "blip blip" technique work ?
Hi Scott, excellent video,, can you also explain for the front drive car like the WTCR car in RaceRoom Experience, keep up the good work !!!
Hey Scott, when we gonna see you behind the wheel of a rig? ;) x
Very soon!
Yeah, this channel is a good idea, but it would be cool if Scott could show us how the concepts are done by demonstrating them behind the wheel.