I found cutting quite a lot around 3-5kHz on every pad in my TD17 made it sound much better. There is that kind of midrange honk to that module that makes it sound kind of unnatural in full mix.
I love lo-fi sounds overall, I love a good quirky sound. I mean, the 27 and 50 sound sonically better, but I rather just go with the 17 or even the 07 on some tracks. Although a bit thin with the 17 and 07, you can always modify in and outside the module to make it sound a little better. I guess if I had the dough, I would go 27 (because you get those digital pads), I’m more about triggering and pad size over sound.
Depends. 27 is more upgradable. Like it can use vh 13 hihat , and has better auxiliary ports and amount of devices you can add. Sound doesn't matter, you will be using third party software for the best samples.
Been loving your channel! This video displays that, as much as we drummers obsess over tone and samples, most of the samples sound amazing, especially within a track, if the drummer plays well. I loved all that you chose on each model. Choosing the right sample is probably more for the drummer themselves and not so much the audience, so they feel good about what they’re playing and hence play their best…..We just converted our church DW acoustic set into a hybrid set using RT-10/30 triggers. Once the whole band starts playing live (and streamed), any of the decent samples sound right, and sometimes my favorite drum samples don’t actually sound as good in the mix as some of the cookie cutter samples (with some EQ and tuning tweaks of course).
TD-50 all the way more inputs more outputs and just sounds more full to me! I can admit tho that the TD-27 is pretty dam good and all the others actually sounded decent.
Awesome video! I love your drum set up, the racking system is what I’m aiming for. Another of your videos gave excellent links to clamps and rack parts! ( spent about $200 already)
Roland is sounding good along all price ranges offered. Especially in the context of a song. Great playing! My fav was the TD27 but I own one so I am a little bit biased.
I have the TD07. Thanks to your EQ vid, I made it sound way better. I still like a few stock sounds like the Groove Kit, Arena Rock, Live Acoustic, Solid Rock. But, I edited a few with some EQ and a bit of ambiance. It made them way better. I actually dig most of the sounds in there and love the little module a lot. It's simple and has the options necessary for my level. But, I will plan to upgrade it to a TD27 in the future.
Awesome, really glad you're enjoying your module and that the EQ video has helped! It's a more capable module than it appears on the surface, for sure!
Hi Luke. Were you testing the TD 17 V 2.0 or the initial version of TD 17 (the one with 50 présents). Is there any notable change in the soundings of those kits ? Thanks for the great job. Btw, I purchased the famous vol 2 from the edw shop : I really enjoy it.
Seems like the triggering ability is really comparable on them all. So I’d love to know if they all trigger drum sound plug ins like ez drummer and DAWs the same.
Thanks for this video. Great playing. Production question: What is the limitation of the USB-Audio ability on the 07? Can it multitrack like the 17, 27, & 50-50X? The TD07 manual doesn’t say much on this other than you can use it as an audio interface.
Thanks Patrick! I believe the 07 can just do a stereo mix over USB - so 2 channels. There is no multitracking with it, which is the same as the 17, that only does a stereo mix too.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thank you for your reply! about to buy the td07kvx kit on sale, solely for midi. do you know if the latency would be a problem? i have a scarlett 2i2 but dont know if itll be comparable to rolands i believe 2ms latency on the module
@@iMobinator As far as I remember, it's as fast as any other Roland module for sending MIDI out. Using a VST will always have more latency than the onboard sounds but if you can get your buffer low enough then it shouldn't be that noticeable. There are a few things that contribute towards latency but I'm not an expert on it.
Hugely helpful comparison, especially as the hardware across different versions of the 07 and 17 can be comparable depending on the exact package. Thanks!
Hello there and many thanks for this video. As for me the td50 has the biggest range of dynamics. However, I have some questions you or any of your viewers might be able to answer. 1. Is the version such as k, kv or kvx related to the connected pads or does it depend on the sound module? Meaning are there different sound modules such as td50, td50k, td50kv or td50kvx etc.? 2. Can I connect e.g. a td17 drumset to a td50 sound module? 3. How about using a drum synthesizer via midi? I have the groove agent from Steinberg and the drum sounds from Simon Phillips. Does it work well also? Thanks to anyone who can help me further. Regards, cheers DimiZ
Hi, is there a way I can purchase a TD-07 pdf guide to set up the module to sound as it sounds there? I'm playing with mine and want it to sound just like yours
Either will fit the bill for a beginner, but one thing I usually try to recommend is to "buy your second kit first." Which might sound stupid but I guess the idea is that if you think you're going to stick with it then you will probably outgrow a beginner option reasonably soon whereas you can grow into something with a few more features than you need right away. The way that Roland prices their kits, it's usually not very cost-effective to upgrade down the line compared to saving a little longer and the TD-17 has some nice additional features that will increase the lifespan. That said, it's a really personal thing, so if you get chance to try them out before buying, do so as it might make the choice much more obvious! Hope that helps.
That td-50 sounds amazing. I have the 27. If you spend a little time on the kits and learn to layer you can almost get the the 27 to sound like the 50.
@@samoliver9132 Here in NL the td-25 goed for 300 max and the td-27 definitely requires 900-1000 at minimum. Maybe another time, a td-25 is stil a decent module.
Does having one output on the TD-07 affect the sound quality? We plan to purchase V drum kit for our church that would be connected to a digital mixer for live performance and it'll be mono.
There's not much in it if you're exclusively using VSTs - both modules support the digital pads to the same extent and both can do MIDI over USB out of the box. So other than 2 extra inputs on the 50, the TD-27 is just as good for MIDI.
I have been considering the VAD 506 kit, but I just recently heard that the TD 27 module has issues with its hi hat triggering choking and doing odd things. and its supposedly a known issue. have you heard of this ? and why hasn't Roland addressed the problem ?
Yeah, I've heard of this issue. Not experienced it myself (only briefly used an FD-7 pedal on it for a while then been using MIDI from the TD-50 since) but there's a thread about it on the Vdrums forum - worth having a look. Roland are always slow to react with these things, it takes a lot of persistent reports and easy replication of the issues for them to take notice. Alan from VEX/the Vdrums forum is in contact with them trying to get the ball rolling. I'll have to do some extra testing but most reports seem to be coming from VH-10 users and I don't have one so not sure if it'd happen to me.
Generally, I recommend the best you can afford at the time! Although the 07 has a few features that weren't included on the 17 for whatever reason, the 17 still has more flexibility in my opinion with sample imports, extra inputs, master output jacks and some other useful bits. The 306 has an extra tom and cymbal too. So if the cost of the 306 is within the budget, I'd probably go for that myself.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks for the reply. Yes, I agree with that golden rule about buying the best you can afford. The VAD103 appealed for space saving reasons, but I could potentially have the same set up and keep the extra drum and cymbal back for any potential live stuff. I have an SPD-SX also, so keen to see if that could be incorporated perhaps. Really appreciate you taking the time to message me. Great videos dude! 🤘🏻
A little late, but if your still looking the vad 306 is down to $2300 right now. I have a td 17 and just downloading a sound pack and transferring it via USB stick makes for a great experience. No laptop required.
That is a great video. I am a middle level player and want to buy a td-07 or 17 considering to my budget. I would be glad if you help me out about what is the biggest differences between these 2 modules. Should i force my budget for 17 or not? My purpose is playing this drum at least 5 year and making some records. I play generally rock songs.
Thank you! I'd recommend having a look at the TD-07KV first impressions video - I've done a full review too, but the first impressions video talked more about comparisons directly with the TD-17 so I think it would help! It really comes down to what you need and how likely you think you will be to crave an upgrade soon after purchasing.
For a beginner, I'd say it's absolutely a good choice! The sounds are decent enough to just start playing and there's room to grow into tweaking the sounds if that's something he wants to do!
Hi! I used to play drums like 20+ years ago, and considering getting an e-drum just to mess around, maybe join some bar band, and was wondering if the TD-17 module works with the pads from the TD-07 kit. Thinking on space saving with the TD-07KX kit, but love the sounds and features from the TD-17 module. So, you know if this is possible? Thanks!
Hey! Yeah, the TD-07 will work with VSTs as well as any of their other modules using MIDI over USB. As long as you're happy with the limitations (only single zone toms, not much room for extra pads) then it should work fine for your application.
Nice comparison! I’ve been trying to decide if the TD-27 is worth the price compared to the TD-17. Would you think the module itself is worth it without having digital pads?
In my humble opinion the td 17 is not really that good value. Tech is supposed to improve over time not stand still. The td 11 launched at a lower price 8 years ago. The 17 has the same crappy Toms, a thankfully much bigger but still bottom of the barrel snare, same lackluster kick and cymbals, tiny stand. And it's more expensive. That's a standstill in improvements at best for the higher pricetag and a poor showing for 8 years of new tech. I think the td 27 is the only real choice here. It's super steep but it does have the snare and ride which are ten times better than anything else right now. The rest of the kit sucks. It will have to be swapped and upgraded but it's still a better buy than the 17 imo. If you Crack a good deal on the 27 and hustle about with a bit of diy I think you're gonna be much more happy than being stuck with the tiny, tiny 17 pads and rack.
Thanks! I personally really like the TD-27 - for most uses, I'd recommend it. It's a much better overall package than the TD-17 even without the digital pads due to the flexibility of the inputs, output, additional instruments and the sound design options. If you can get it with the pads, I'd say that's the the best option, but if that's completely out of the question, it's still a very solid module in its own right.
I’m running a TD27 with ATV drums so no digital pads and it plays great. Maybe I don’t know what I am missing but It plays so much better than my AD5 imo
@Bill Perri Personally I am very happy with the stock sounds. I came full circle back to Roland (TD17 to AD5 to Mimic to TD27) and the TD27 plays like a dream. Tons of options to layer and shape stock sounds. The trick for me was playing modules with a backing track. I was hung up on the “best sounding” module when in the end what I really wanted was the “best playing” module. TD27 along with Luke’s kit preset is just plain awesome. But this is just my opinion.
To me they all sound very similar. (and quite good, not Pearl Mimic good but still good and consistent). The TD-07 is an extremely powerful module for such a low price. The TD-27 is a great upgrade with direct-outs, more inputs and support for the digital pads. I would take those modules over the TD-17 and TD-50.
How were the modules connected? You play on the pads that are connected to the TD-50. Are the modules then connected directly via MIDI-Out? The TD-07 and TD-17 have no MIDI-In, only USB MIDI. How was this solved?
For this video I recorded the performance on my TD-50 then used USB MIDI to send the data back to each module to record the output. That was the most streamlined way to do it for this situation. However, I do also trigger my other modules from the TD-50X these days in realtime. To get around the MIDI In limitation on the TD-17, I use a USB MIDI Host by Kenton which connects to the module's USB port, hosts it (in "Generic" driver mode) and lets you send MIDI into it from its MIDI In port. I have a video about it on the channel if you want to know more.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Great. Thanks for the info. I had already suspected the Kenton USB MIDI host. Would it work the other way round with the Kenton USB MIDI host? For example, from the TD-17 to the TD-50X? And could you put the link to the video here?
@thomasnagel7120 You wouldn't need to use it the other way round because the TD-17 has a MIDI Out port and the 50/50X has a MIDI In port. If you really wanted to use USB MIDI into the 50/50X I suppose you could do it, but I can't think of a good reason! Sure - ua-cam.com/video/fAliMuzzkqE/v-deo.html
@@TheeDrumWorkshop OK, thanks! Yes, of course, my mistake. I actually meant a TD-07, which doesn't have a MIDI out, only USB MIDI. Thanks for the link!
I liked the te 27 as far as sound and budget but the Td17 was bright and I do wish maybe a bit of the reverb be rolled down a bit on the 27 and I think that would make the drums cut through more but that’s just my taste.
So I have a TD12 and was going to TD17 module. But now I wonder if it is worthed to get TD27 module mainly because digital pads and extra inputs/outputs. What do you guys think? And specially is it going to work flawlessly in my TD12? Thank you all!
Great video, cheers! The td27 is a strong module and most likely my next kit. However, have you seen the new yamaha dtx6 kits? That module has caught my attention.
Thanks! And yes, I'm gonna try and squeeze in a quick video about it if I can. The kit itself is very uninspired but the module for its price-point is very appealing!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop-Yes agreed. Some very interesting choices Yamaha made. The rack while probably very functional is an eye sore and rubber pads are just embarrassing for a module like this. They do give an all silicone option but those size choices are questionable. Though you can switch those pads out for bigger ones and still be at a reasonable price point.
Excuse my ignorance. Relatively new to the edrum world. In your video, in the lower third I saw a clip that said TD-17, Famous Vol. 1 Peart 2008. As a huge Rush & Peart Fan (R.I.P.), is that a pre-set kit or custom? If it's a pre-set, what kit # would that be? If' it's custom, can you share what sounds are assigned to each pad/trigger? Thank you.
Hello! Welcome to the world of eDrums! It's not a preset on the module, it's a custom kit I made that's available on my store. Here's the link to the TD-17 page - theedrumworkshop.com/td17-kits Famous Vol. 1 is the collection of kits that the Peart kits are part of. Hope that helps!
Hi Luke, thanks for the comparison. But if you were me, didn’t want to dive into menus, what would be your upgrade from a TD11 that gives the best sounds for the dollar? Thanks again Simon.
Hey Simon. It's difficult to say because it depends on what you see as an upgrade. The TD-17 offers good sounds and value (I saw your comment asking about it on another video), though it's quite similar to the TD-11 in many ways. It does have sample imports and instrument layering though, so that might be enough of an upgrade for you. The TD-27 is a good upgrade, but it is best when paired with the digital pads (in my opinion) and it's pretty pricey, so it's really more of an option for someone who wants to take advantage of all of its features (including the additional parameters for sound shaping).
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Hi Luke, thanks again. I was thinking along the same lines, but being out of the loop, so to speak, I thought I'de ask the question. Thanks again. Simon.
TD 50 of course.. but I'll take the 27. It's based off the 50. I actually like the TD 25 is what i own. So thinking of upgrading just the module to a 27.
Ok great video. I currently own the TD-11kv drumkit and want to buy my cousin a drumkit, he is interested in playing the drums. Money is not an issue but however i want best value for money and not for the kit to be too complex or too professional and big. But i want to get him a good sturdy kit that will last a long time and keep up with the times. Im confused in between getting the TD-17 and TD-27. Any help please?
It's not the Yamaha hi-hat, rather it's just a Yamaha PCY-135 cymbal with a Roland FD-7 pedal. The Yamaha hi-hat controllers aren't compatible with Roland, but the cymbals are (though you only get 2 zones rather than the 3 you get on a Yamaha module and the bell zone triggers the edge sound so you usually need to avoid hitting it).
I was going to get the td 27 until i saw all the bad sounds it had. whats a good drum module that will accurately trigger a vst like superior drummer 3 ??? Under the 1000 range ?
This will inherently cost the same because of the software price but i just need really good triggering reading since i will be doing alot of buzz rolls
How about a comparison of the TD-27 and the TD-30 sound module? Love the supernatural sounds w the 30 but hearing some enticingly better realism and fullness in the 27 sounds. 👏
I don't own a TD-30, unfortauntely! Unless someone fancies sending me one to use on a video, I'm unlikely to have chance - maxed out on modules at the moment!
It would definitely change a bit, but mainly because the TD-50X update completely overhauled its sounds compared to the original 50! The TD-27 v2 update added different presets and user samples which are nice, but the overall feel of the TD-27 is still quite similar.
So...I have another question, if you don't mind answering. I am torn between companies at the moment for purchasing drum triggers. The choice is between R-Drums, and two other ones I just found out about. One is called AE Hybrid drums, and the other is called "Padtech". The main issue is that I can't try any of these triggers out for obvious reasons. So I have to rely on someone such as yourself, because these triggers are not cheap, and I don't want to make a purchase like that, without being confident what I've bought, will be on par with the quality Ekit I'm building. Once again any input from you would be greatly appreciated, because I value and respect your opinion, thanks.
Hey! Unfortunately I haven't actually tried any triggers from those companies so I can't really comment. I've bought from R-Drums before (though it was a cushion for my kick drum) so I can vouch for them as a company, but I'd have to defer to someone else for their triggers as I can't really recommend triggers I haven't personally used. Hope you understand!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Oh yes, I completely understand. Thank you so much for your reply, I truly value your opinion. I finished your "should you use your E-drums for live performance" video and this is exactly what I intend to do. So thanks for the plethora of information, and keep your content coming. Cheers!
Man, I have a 17, a 50x and a 20. I gotta say, the very first round goes to the 07. I’m actually very surprised at how good it sounded..the 27 and 50, just waaaay to over processed….tinny and digital sounding…
Is it still worth it to buy the TD-27 module to replace my TD-17 module? Or will Roland release a new midrange sound module within the next year or two that will make me regret my purchase? 😂
I don't think they'll be releasing a new midrange module any time soon. They've only refreshed the 50 to the 50X recently so there is probably a few years left on this generation. I don't know if they'll be doing anything similar with their other modules (they've only released X versions of flagship modules in the past, I think), but if they did I imagine it would be a similar upgrade system rather than a new module. I think the 27 is still worth getting over the 17 if you want the features, though it's definitely best with the digital pads in my opinion.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I can imagine they'll release something like a TD-27X with a few tweaks and upgrades, maybe some extra USB ports as they progress more towards the digital route. The TD-50KV2 and VAD706 kind of came out of nowhere, and was released maybe a year apart from the original VAD models? I'm interested in the TD-27, but it obviously comes at a steep price point and is two times the price of the TD-17. I'd be hella disappointed if I bought the TD-27 and Roland released an upgrade within the coming months lol. Thanks for the reply!
If they do make a TD-27X, the hardware will no doubt be the same and it'll be all in the software (like the 50X). You never know for sure with Roland but I can't imagine them adding more USB ports than the flagship!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Lastly, is the TD-27 compatible with the VAD306? Can I just use the same cable snake, plug and play into the TD-27, everything should work as intended? I think I am convinced to make the switch. Thank you for the help, and your overall contribution to the drumming world!
Yeah, everything on the VAD306 kit is supported by the TD-27. I don't think there's a preset trigger bank specifically for the VAD306 setup (there are multiple trigger banks that you can save trigger settings for, unlike the TD-17), but there are presets for all of the VAD PDA pads so you can just swap the pad presets to the pads you have and go from there!
I thought I was the only one that had sound issues with my TD-17 Module, but it sounds like you are too. There’s just no depth to the snare sounds. And they all lack pop. I think it’s time to invest in some eDW snare samples.
yup glad i sent the td 50 back its still not as good as my td 30 ,if i want different sounds i just midi on over to addictive drums ,td 27 sounds pretty good though
The TD-17 sounded the best from the start, that snare sounded like ac/dc highway to hell snare the best snare sound I`ve ever heard , and I`m almost 60 years old. awesome. from a Sonor snare drum awesome!!!, but obviously the lyrics of highway to hell are totally stupid and wrong the music is great.
My TD11 sounds so much better than the TD17. Sold the 17TD module on eBay after dissapointing experiment. Couldnt get rid of that plastic/paper sound. And no, I dont use the preset kit of the td11. My personal custom made kits are 100x better. No SD3 needed.
@@benjaminashlin I created a kit set from each spare. Here's one of my favorites. EQ the way you like it. Enjoy! Snare: VintageCustom S Snare Rim: Linked VintageCustom S Edit: +8 4 8 +15 100 Center Kick: Solid Maple K Edit: -20 0 8 +8 96 Center Tom1: 10" Maple T1 Edit: 0 24 8 +5 95 L6 Tom2: 12" Maple T2 Edit: 0 24 8 +5 95 R6 Tom3: 14" Maple T3 Edit: 0 24 8 +15 95 R3 HH: Custom HH Edit : -20 FixedHH normal No snare Buzz +8 100 Center Cym1: 18" Fast Crash Edit: -3 0 No buzz +20 100 L5 Cym2: Piggy Crash Edit: 0 0 No buzz +15 100 R5 Ride: 20" Custom Rd Edit: +5 6 No buzz +35 100 R2 Ambience FX: Rock Club 5 Huge Wood 80 FX Sends: K. 80 S 100 T1 100 T2 85 T3 87 HH 85 C1 85 C2 85 RD 85 Kit Volume. 91 Pedal HH Volume 100 Obtw, get a balanced headphone. I have expensive ones but I use the cheapest one. Tascam TH200X can get for $25 on occasional sale.
The Roland sounds are awful. Oddly, I like the 17. I HATE the 50 sounds. Your samples and patches are huge improvements on all of them. I would love a 6" concert tom added to the `17 Peart pack.
Definitely more finesse on the td 50 but the 50/27 are so close I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The 17 is noticeably more choked off. None of them wow me. If they had the means to remove the machine gunning and improve the naturalness of the sounds Roland would be pretty close to "good enough" territory. Right now they're 2/3 the way there. Next gen perhaps:)? A new flagship should be pretty close by statistically speaking.
@@acmekanik9135 more and less machine gunning is still machine gunning. You can't deny that. I have a td 12 I know exactly what it is and Roland crumbles at higher speeds. It's a direct effect of not having enough sample variance which Roland doesn't since it's entirely dependent on positional sensing which is way too subtle to produce noticeable differences at higher speeds.
I don't see it. Back in the day, I had a TD12 with a PDX85 as a snare and the "machine gunning" was definitely present and TERRIBLE. I now have a TD27 and machine gunning is non existent. It replicates strength and position of hits pretty much perfectly. When I say "pretty much" I mean, I've not heard anything negative thus far, but nothing is ever perfect. But I've had my TD27 kit for 6 months or so now and not heard any discernible machine gunning? Each to their own I suppose?
@@spideliciousx9822 I've mostly listened to It through videos. Roland's own demonstrations have a lot of it. If you want a really nice example Thomas lang has a 27 demo where he just lay waste to the poor thing. That is some prime time machine gunning. He is a worst case scenario though. It's not like "machine gunning" just means play fast either. It's a very distinctive phenomenon resulting from the lack of variations in Roland's Toms in particular. They all have a very unnatural attack and no roomy/airiness to them imo. In real life the sounds blend together and the Tom attacks kinda flows together with the successive hits since the mylar doesn't reach a steady state between hits. Roland's Tom sounds do not really alter the attack at all when you play faster. If you listen for it it becomes very noticeable. It probably won't be an issue when you play the kit yourself but it's annoying on playback.
I found cutting quite a lot around 3-5kHz on every pad in my TD17 made it sound much better. There is that kind of midrange honk to that module that makes it sound kind of unnatural in full mix.
After months of watching videos comparing these, my questions are as good as answered now. Thank you very much!
Super video
Sound quality for my ears
1/ TD -50
2/ TD-27
3/ TD-07
4/ TD-17
Really lovin' the kick sounds on the TD- 27....wow.
Subscription, like and comment totally deserved. Good Job man!
does it matter which module I use if I'm using VST (EzDrummer, Superior Drummer)?
Love these reviews, and you are a great drummer too. Cheers mate.
I love lo-fi sounds overall, I love a good quirky sound. I mean, the 27 and 50 sound sonically better, but I rather just go with the 17 or even the 07 on some tracks. Although a bit thin with the 17 and 07, you can always modify in and outside the module to make it sound a little better. I guess if I had the dough, I would go 27 (because you get those digital pads), I’m more about triggering and pad size over sound.
Depends. 27 is more upgradable. Like it can use vh 13 hihat , and has better auxiliary ports and amount of devices you can add. Sound doesn't matter, you will be using third party software for the best samples.
Been loving your channel! This video displays that, as much as we drummers obsess over tone and samples, most of the samples sound amazing, especially within a track, if the drummer plays well. I loved all that you chose on each model. Choosing the right sample is probably more for the drummer themselves and not so much the audience, so they feel good about what they’re playing and hence play their best…..We just converted our church DW acoustic set into a hybrid set using RT-10/30 triggers. Once the whole band starts playing live (and streamed), any of the decent samples sound right, and sometimes my favorite drum samples don’t actually sound as good in the mix as some of the cookie cutter samples (with some EQ and tuning tweaks of course).
TD-50 all the way more inputs more outputs and just sounds more full to me! I can admit tho that the TD-27 is pretty dam good and all the others actually sounded decent.
Make a video playing all the TD07 kits.
Awesome video! I love your drum set up, the racking system is what I’m aiming for. Another of your videos gave excellent links to clamps and rack parts! ( spent about $200 already)
Roland is sounding good along all price ranges offered. Especially in the context of a song. Great playing! My fav was the TD27 but I own one so I am a little bit biased.
I have the TD07. Thanks to your EQ vid, I made it sound way better.
I still like a few stock sounds like the Groove Kit, Arena Rock, Live Acoustic, Solid Rock. But, I edited a few with some EQ and a bit of ambiance. It made them way better.
I actually dig most of the sounds in there and love the little module a lot. It's simple and has the options necessary for my level. But, I will plan to upgrade it to a TD27 in the future.
Awesome, really glad you're enjoying your module and that the EQ video has helped! It's a more capable module than it appears on the surface, for sure!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks. Without your videos, I'd be stuck with the same sounds... ✌
Hi Luke. Were you testing the TD 17 V 2.0 or the initial version of TD 17 (the one with 50 présents). Is there any notable change in the soundings of those kits ? Thanks for the great job.
Btw, I purchased the famous vol 2 from the edw shop : I really enjoy it.
Seems like the triggering ability is really comparable on them all. So I’d love to know if they all trigger drum sound plug ins like ez drummer and DAWs the same.
Thanks for this video. Great playing.
Production question:
What is the limitation of the USB-Audio ability on the 07?
Can it multitrack like the 17, 27, & 50-50X?
The TD07 manual doesn’t say much on this other than you can use it as an audio interface.
Thanks Patrick! I believe the 07 can just do a stereo mix over USB - so 2 channels. There is no multitracking with it, which is the same as the 17, that only does a stereo mix too.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Can you still use the TD07 for playing drum VSTs?
@@iMobinator Yes, the TD-07 has MIDI over USB so you can use it with VSTs!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thank you for your reply! about to buy the td07kvx kit on sale, solely for midi. do you know if the latency would be a problem? i have a scarlett 2i2 but dont know if itll be comparable to rolands i believe 2ms latency on the module
@@iMobinator As far as I remember, it's as fast as any other Roland module for sending MIDI out. Using a VST will always have more latency than the onboard sounds but if you can get your buffer low enough then it shouldn't be that noticeable. There are a few things that contribute towards latency but I'm not an expert on it.
Hugely helpful comparison, especially as the hardware across different versions of the 07 and 17 can be comparable depending on the exact package. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Whitch modul is your Favorit?
what am i doing here with my roland td-3 😂
If you're enjoying it, that's all that matters! 💪
@@TheeDrumWorkshop well difficult to say cuz my dog ate my drumsticks and im raising money for a new drumset for over a year xD
Same 😂
Hello there and many thanks for this video. As for me the td50 has the biggest range of dynamics.
However, I have some questions you or any of your viewers might be able to answer.
1. Is the version such as k, kv or kvx related to the connected pads or does it depend on the sound module? Meaning are there different sound modules such as td50, td50k, td50kv or td50kvx etc.?
2. Can I connect e.g. a td17 drumset to a td50 sound module?
3. How about using a drum synthesizer via midi? I have the groove agent from Steinberg and the drum sounds from Simon Phillips. Does it work well also?
Thanks to anyone who can help me further. Regards, cheers DimiZ
Do all of these modules have the talking-metronome feature?
Hi, is there a way I can purchase a TD-07 pdf guide to set up the module to sound as it sounds there? I'm playing with mine and want it to sound just like yours
As beginner what would you recommend td17kv or 07kv? Based on your testing they are the same sound. Cheers from NZ
Either will fit the bill for a beginner, but one thing I usually try to recommend is to "buy your second kit first." Which might sound stupid but I guess the idea is that if you think you're going to stick with it then you will probably outgrow a beginner option reasonably soon whereas you can grow into something with a few more features than you need right away. The way that Roland prices their kits, it's usually not very cost-effective to upgrade down the line compared to saving a little longer and the TD-17 has some nice additional features that will increase the lifespan. That said, it's a really personal thing, so if you get chance to try them out before buying, do so as it might make the choice much more obvious! Hope that helps.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop cool thanks for your advice... i got my first TD6V kit
Great video, mate...cheers
Great comparison. Can you tell us what Drum Shells, Mesh Heads and Triggers you are using here? TY
That td-50 sounds amazing. I have the 27. If you spend a little time on the kits and learn to layer you can almost get the the 27 to sound like the 50.
Yeah, absolutely! It's crazy how similar you can get them!
TD27 is an amazing module. When I feel like investing some cash I would upgrade my TD25 to one for sure.
@@Tom-sd2visell your td-25 for around 400-500, then buy a td-27 for around 800-900
@@samoliver9132 Here in NL the td-25 goed for 300 max and the td-27 definitely requires 900-1000 at minimum. Maybe another time, a td-25 is stil a decent module.
How did you change the snare sound on the fly?
Does having one output on the TD-07 affect the sound quality? We plan to purchase V drum kit for our church that would be connected to a digital mixer for live performance and it'll be mono.
Luke that was a killer tut & playing.
Thanks Bob!
Hi, is there any difference between the td27 and the td50 to trigger vst via midi, like superior drummer 3? thanks
There's not much in it if you're exclusively using VSTs - both modules support the digital pads to the same extent and both can do MIDI over USB out of the box. So other than 2 extra inputs on the 50, the TD-27 is just as good for MIDI.
I have been considering the VAD 506 kit, but I just recently heard that the TD 27 module has issues with its hi hat triggering choking and doing odd things. and its supposedly a known issue. have you heard of this ? and why hasn't Roland addressed the problem ?
Yeah, I've heard of this issue. Not experienced it myself (only briefly used an FD-7 pedal on it for a while then been using MIDI from the TD-50 since) but there's a thread about it on the Vdrums forum - worth having a look. Roland are always slow to react with these things, it takes a lot of persistent reports and easy replication of the issues for them to take notice. Alan from VEX/the Vdrums forum is in contact with them trying to get the ball rolling. I'll have to do some extra testing but most reports seem to be coming from VH-10 users and I don't have one so not sure if it'd happen to me.
Great video. Thanks!!
I’m torn between the Roland VAD 103 (with TD-07 module) and the VAD 306 (with TD-17 module).
What would you go for / recommend?
Generally, I recommend the best you can afford at the time! Although the 07 has a few features that weren't included on the 17 for whatever reason, the 17 still has more flexibility in my opinion with sample imports, extra inputs, master output jacks and some other useful bits. The 306 has an extra tom and cymbal too. So if the cost of the 306 is within the budget, I'd probably go for that myself.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks for the reply. Yes, I agree with that golden rule about buying the best you can afford. The VAD103 appealed for space saving reasons, but I could potentially have the same set up and keep the extra drum and cymbal back for any potential live stuff. I have an SPD-SX also, so keen to see if that could be incorporated perhaps. Really appreciate you taking the time to message me. Great videos dude! 🤘🏻
A little late, but if your still looking the vad 306 is down to $2300 right now. I have a td 17 and just downloading a sound pack and transferring it via USB stick makes for a great experience. No laptop required.
@@micahp1775 Thanks dude. I haven’t bought one yet! I’m in the UK and they’re about £1900, but wondering if Black Friday might bring some deals? 🤞🏻🤞🏻
Nice sounds. You are a really good drummer!
Thank you! 🙏
You are welcome and you inspired me to pick up a Roland td 27 kv.
That is a great video. I am a middle level player and want to buy a td-07 or 17 considering to my budget. I would be glad if you help me out about what is the biggest differences between these 2 modules. Should i force my budget for 17 or not? My purpose is playing this drum at least 5 year and making some records. I play generally rock songs.
Thank you! I'd recommend having a look at the TD-07KV first impressions video - I've done a full review too, but the first impressions video talked more about comparisons directly with the TD-17 so I think it would help! It really comes down to what you need and how likely you think you will be to crave an upgrade soon after purchasing.
Prato Roland Vh10 Hi Hat ....
É compatível com a TD1-KV??????
What do you think is the more "natural" upgrade coming from td1 module? Td-07 or td-17? Thanks!!!
Just got my son a TD-07. Hope it was the right choice for a beginner?
For a beginner, I'd say it's absolutely a good choice! The sounds are decent enough to just start playing and there's room to grow into tweaking the sounds if that's something he wants to do!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop
Appreciate the input 🙏🏻
I got ma TD 07 too realy Like it 😎👍
I love this channel and I love your drumming. Super open funky and powerfull
Thank you 🙏
Great vid mate. I see you got your hands on a TD27 :-)
Thanks! I have indeed! Already released a kit pack for it - it's surprisingly easy to work with so the other two packs shouldn't take long!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop A little tight at the moment, but will pick up the pack in a bit! Already had a listen and they sound great!
Oh of course, no obligation! I just remember quite a few requests for 27 kits so keeping people posted haha!
is td17 taking less space than td27?
Hi! I used to play drums like 20+ years ago, and considering getting an e-drum just to mess around, maybe join some bar band, and was wondering if the TD-17 module works with the pads from the TD-07 kit. Thinking on space saving with the TD-07KX kit, but love the sounds and features from the TD-17 module.
So, you know if this is possible? Thanks!
Yep! This will be fine.
Can I safely say that if I'm using it to trigger vsts anyway the td-07 is good enough for the job??
Hey! Yeah, the TD-07 will work with VSTs as well as any of their other modules using MIDI over USB. As long as you're happy with the limitations (only single zone toms, not much room for extra pads) then it should work fine for your application.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thank you so much , this is very helpful and you are a godsend! Have a wonderful day!!
Nice comparison! I’ve been trying to decide if the TD-27 is worth the price compared to the TD-17. Would you think the module itself is worth it without having digital pads?
In my humble opinion the td 17 is not really that good value. Tech is supposed to improve over time not stand still. The td 11 launched at a lower price 8 years ago. The 17 has the same crappy Toms, a thankfully much bigger but still bottom of the barrel snare, same lackluster kick and cymbals, tiny stand. And it's more expensive. That's a standstill in improvements at best for the higher pricetag and a poor showing for 8 years of new tech. I think the td 27 is the only real choice here. It's super steep but it does have the snare and ride which are ten times better than anything else right now. The rest of the kit sucks. It will have to be swapped and upgraded but it's still a better buy than the 17 imo. If you Crack a good deal on the 27 and hustle about with a bit of diy I think you're gonna be much more happy than being stuck with the tiny, tiny 17 pads and rack.
Thanks! I personally really like the TD-27 - for most uses, I'd recommend it. It's a much better overall package than the TD-17 even without the digital pads due to the flexibility of the inputs, output, additional instruments and the sound design options. If you can get it with the pads, I'd say that's the the best option, but if that's completely out of the question, it's still a very solid module in its own right.
Thank you both! Definitely helpful. I have a TD-11 and want to build a conversion kit at some point, but I also want a better module down the road.
I’m running a TD27 with ATV drums so no digital pads and it plays great. Maybe I don’t know what I am missing but It plays so much better than my AD5 imo
@Bill Perri Personally I am very happy with the stock sounds. I came full circle back to Roland (TD17 to AD5 to Mimic to TD27) and the TD27 plays like a dream. Tons of options to layer and shape stock sounds. The trick for me was playing modules with a backing track. I was hung up on the “best sounding” module when in the end what I really wanted was the “best playing” module. TD27 along with Luke’s kit preset is just plain awesome. But this is just my opinion.
To me they all sound very similar. (and quite good, not Pearl Mimic good but still good and consistent). The TD-07 is an extremely powerful module for such a low price. The TD-27 is a great upgrade with direct-outs, more inputs and support for the digital pads. I would take those modules over the TD-17 and TD-50.
How were the modules connected? You play on the pads that are connected to the TD-50. Are the modules then connected directly via MIDI-Out? The TD-07 and TD-17 have no MIDI-In, only USB MIDI. How was this solved?
For this video I recorded the performance on my TD-50 then used USB MIDI to send the data back to each module to record the output. That was the most streamlined way to do it for this situation.
However, I do also trigger my other modules from the TD-50X these days in realtime. To get around the MIDI In limitation on the TD-17, I use a USB MIDI Host by Kenton which connects to the module's USB port, hosts it (in "Generic" driver mode) and lets you send MIDI into it from its MIDI In port. I have a video about it on the channel if you want to know more.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Great. Thanks for the info. I had already suspected the Kenton USB MIDI host. Would it work the other way round with the Kenton USB MIDI host? For example, from the TD-17 to the TD-50X?
And could you put the link to the video here?
@thomasnagel7120 You wouldn't need to use it the other way round because the TD-17 has a MIDI Out port and the 50/50X has a MIDI In port. If you really wanted to use USB MIDI into the 50/50X I suppose you could do it, but I can't think of a good reason!
Sure - ua-cam.com/video/fAliMuzzkqE/v-deo.html
@@TheeDrumWorkshop OK, thanks! Yes, of course, my mistake. I actually meant a TD-07, which doesn't have a MIDI out, only USB MIDI.
Thanks for the link!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I tested it. It also works the other way around. I can control my TD-50X via MIDI with my TD-07.
I liked the te 27 as far as sound and budget but the Td17 was bright and I do wish maybe a bit of the reverb be rolled down a bit on the 27 and I think that would make the drums cut through more but that’s just my taste.
So I have a TD12 and was going to TD17 module. But now I wonder if it is worthed to get TD27 module mainly because digital pads and extra inputs/outputs. What do you guys think? And specially is it going to work flawlessly in my TD12? Thank you all!
Great video, cheers! The td27 is a strong module and most likely my next kit. However, have you seen the new yamaha dtx6 kits? That module has caught my attention.
Thanks! And yes, I'm gonna try and squeeze in a quick video about it if I can. The kit itself is very uninspired but the module for its price-point is very appealing!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop-Yes agreed. Some very interesting choices Yamaha made. The rack while probably very functional is an eye sore and rubber pads are just embarrassing for a module like this. They do give an all silicone option but those size choices are questionable. Though you can switch those pads out for bigger ones and still be at a reasonable price point.
Buy v expression sound packs
Excuse my ignorance. Relatively new to the edrum world. In your video, in the lower third I saw a clip that said TD-17, Famous Vol. 1 Peart 2008. As a huge Rush & Peart Fan (R.I.P.), is that a pre-set kit or custom? If it's a pre-set, what kit # would that be? If' it's custom, can you share what sounds are assigned to each pad/trigger? Thank you.
Hello! Welcome to the world of eDrums! It's not a preset on the module, it's a custom kit I made that's available on my store. Here's the link to the TD-17 page -
theedrumworkshop.com/td17-kits
Famous Vol. 1 is the collection of kits that the Peart kits are part of. Hope that helps!
Hi Luke, thanks for the comparison. But if you were me, didn’t want to dive into menus, what would be your upgrade from a TD11 that gives the best sounds for the dollar?
Thanks again
Simon.
Hey Simon. It's difficult to say because it depends on what you see as an upgrade. The TD-17 offers good sounds and value (I saw your comment asking about it on another video), though it's quite similar to the TD-11 in many ways. It does have sample imports and instrument layering though, so that might be enough of an upgrade for you. The TD-27 is a good upgrade, but it is best when paired with the digital pads (in my opinion) and it's pretty pricey, so it's really more of an option for someone who wants to take advantage of all of its features (including the additional parameters for sound shaping).
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Hi Luke, thanks again. I was thinking along the same lines, but being out of the loop, so to speak, I thought I'de ask the question. Thanks again. Simon.
I see you have the BEST module as well to your right side next to the floor Tom!
Had to make a cameo!
TD 50 of course.. but I'll take the 27. It's based off the 50. I actually like the TD 25 is what i own. So thinking of upgrading just the module to a 27.
Ok great video. I currently own the TD-11kv drumkit and want to buy my cousin a drumkit, he is interested in playing the drums. Money is not an issue but however i want best value for money and not for the kit to be too complex or too professional and big. But i want to get him a good sturdy kit that will last a long time and keep up with the times. Im confused in between getting the TD-17 and TD-27. Any help please?
No TD30 stuff?
No, this video was about the current generation of Roland modules.
so the yamaha hihat actually works with roland td17 module?
It's not the Yamaha hi-hat, rather it's just a Yamaha PCY-135 cymbal with a Roland FD-7 pedal. The Yamaha hi-hat controllers aren't compatible with Roland, but the cymbals are (though you only get 2 zones rather than the 3 you get on a Yamaha module and the bell zone triggers the edge sound so you usually need to avoid hitting it).
thanks m8! very good respond.
td07 sounds very shine... easy , I dont need more... .. Nice Video..
I was going to get the td 27 until i saw all the bad sounds it had. whats a good drum module that will accurately trigger a vst like superior drummer 3 ??? Under the 1000 range ?
This will inherently cost the same because of the software price but i just need really good triggering reading since i will be doing alot of buzz rolls
How about a comparison of the TD-27 and the TD-30 sound module? Love the supernatural sounds w the 30 but hearing some enticingly better realism and fullness in the 27 sounds. 👏
I don't own a TD-30, unfortauntely! Unless someone fancies sending me one to use on a video, I'm unlikely to have chance - maxed out on modules at the moment!
Is it worth selling the TD 25 and getting the TD 27?
You shouldn't)
The 17 sounded thin overall to me. Great review btw !
I wonder how this shootout would be different with the new 2.0 update.
It would definitely change a bit, but mainly because the TD-50X update completely overhauled its sounds compared to the original 50! The TD-27 v2 update added different presets and user samples which are nice, but the overall feel of the TD-27 is still quite similar.
So...I have another question, if you don't mind answering. I am torn between companies at the moment for purchasing drum triggers. The choice is between R-Drums, and two other ones I just found out about. One is called AE Hybrid drums, and the other is called "Padtech". The main issue is that I can't try any of these triggers out for obvious reasons. So I have to rely on someone such as yourself, because these triggers are not cheap, and I don't want to make a purchase like that, without being confident what I've bought, will be on par with the quality Ekit I'm building. Once again any input from you would be greatly appreciated, because I value and respect your opinion, thanks.
Hey! Unfortunately I haven't actually tried any triggers from those companies so I can't really comment. I've bought from R-Drums before (though it was a cushion for my kick drum) so I can vouch for them as a company, but I'd have to defer to someone else for their triggers as I can't really recommend triggers I haven't personally used. Hope you understand!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Oh yes, I completely understand. Thank you so much for your reply, I truly value your opinion. I finished your "should you use your E-drums for live performance" video and this is exactly what I intend to do. So thanks for the plethora of information, and keep your content coming. Cheers!
Man, I have a 17, a 50x and a 20. I gotta say, the very first round goes to the 07. I’m actually very surprised at how good it sounded..the 27 and 50, just waaaay to over processed….tinny and digital sounding…
I know nothing ZERO. Looking for my daughter and I was puzzled when I heard the comparisons because to me the 07 was better than all of the others.
Peart 2008? As in Neil Peart?
Yes! Already out for the TD-17 and 50, coming soon to the 27. As part of the Famous Vol.1 pack :)
Ha dude 🤣 good one!
Roland - 9.6
Beard - 7.2
I'll take it!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop lol! Great channel bro. Liked and subbed. 🤘🏼
Thank you 🙏
Every bass drum sounded like you were smacking a plastic storage bin with a wet rubber hose
Is it still worth it to buy the TD-27 module to replace my TD-17 module? Or will Roland release a new midrange sound module within the next year or two that will make me regret my purchase? 😂
I don't think they'll be releasing a new midrange module any time soon. They've only refreshed the 50 to the 50X recently so there is probably a few years left on this generation. I don't know if they'll be doing anything similar with their other modules (they've only released X versions of flagship modules in the past, I think), but if they did I imagine it would be a similar upgrade system rather than a new module. I think the 27 is still worth getting over the 17 if you want the features, though it's definitely best with the digital pads in my opinion.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I can imagine they'll release something like a TD-27X with a few tweaks and upgrades, maybe some extra USB ports as they progress more towards the digital route. The TD-50KV2 and VAD706 kind of came out of nowhere, and was released maybe a year apart from the original VAD models? I'm interested in the TD-27, but it obviously comes at a steep price point and is two times the price of the TD-17. I'd be hella disappointed if I bought the TD-27 and Roland released an upgrade within the coming months lol. Thanks for the reply!
If they do make a TD-27X, the hardware will no doubt be the same and it'll be all in the software (like the 50X). You never know for sure with Roland but I can't imagine them adding more USB ports than the flagship!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Lastly, is the TD-27 compatible with the VAD306? Can I just use the same cable snake, plug and play into the TD-27, everything should work as intended? I think I am convinced to make the switch. Thank you for the help, and your overall contribution to the drumming world!
Yeah, everything on the VAD306 kit is supported by the TD-27. I don't think there's a preset trigger bank specifically for the VAD306 setup (there are multiple trigger banks that you can save trigger settings for, unlike the TD-17), but there are presets for all of the VAD PDA pads so you can just swap the pad presets to the pads you have and go from there!
I liked the TD-07.
I thought I was the only one that had sound issues with my TD-17 Module, but it sounds like you are too. There’s just no depth to the snare sounds. And they all lack pop. I think it’s time to invest in some eDW snare samples.
My trusty TDW-20 is starting to give the ghost, so I'm here trying to figure out what to replace it with...
How unfortunate :( Hopefully the video might have helped.
Please do this with Yamaha DTX6!
yup glad i sent the td 50 back its still not as good as my td 30 ,if i want different sounds i just midi on over to addictive drums ,td 27 sounds pretty good though
Pair the td-07 with EZ Drummer 3 and the td-50 stand No chance with the sounds. 😂
The TD-17 sounded the best from the start, that snare sounded like ac/dc highway to hell snare the best snare sound I`ve ever heard , and I`m almost 60 years old. awesome. from a Sonor snare drum awesome!!!, but obviously the lyrics of highway to hell are totally stupid and wrong the music is great.
My TD11 sounds so much better than the TD17. Sold the 17TD module on eBay after dissapointing experiment. Couldnt get rid of that plastic/paper sound. And no, I dont use the preset kit of the td11. My personal custom made kits are 100x better. No SD3 needed.
Nice, what is the preset based around??
@@benjaminashlin I created a kit set from each spare. Here's one of my favorites. EQ the way you like it. Enjoy!
Snare: VintageCustom S
Snare Rim: Linked VintageCustom S
Edit: +8
4
8
+15
100
Center
Kick: Solid Maple K
Edit: -20
0
8
+8
96
Center
Tom1: 10" Maple T1
Edit: 0
24
8
+5
95
L6
Tom2: 12" Maple T2
Edit: 0
24
8
+5
95
R6
Tom3: 14" Maple T3
Edit: 0
24
8
+15
95
R3
HH: Custom HH
Edit : -20
FixedHH normal
No snare Buzz
+8
100
Center
Cym1: 18" Fast Crash
Edit: -3
0
No buzz
+20
100
L5
Cym2: Piggy Crash
Edit: 0
0
No buzz
+15
100
R5
Ride: 20" Custom Rd
Edit: +5
6
No buzz
+35
100
R2
Ambience FX: Rock Club
5
Huge
Wood
80
FX Sends: K. 80
S 100
T1 100
T2 85
T3 87
HH 85
C1 85
C2 85
RD 85
Kit Volume. 91
Pedal HH Volume 100
Obtw, get a balanced headphone. I have expensive ones but I use the cheapest one. Tascam TH200X can get for $25 on occasional sale.
Bobby A awesome thank you.
I cant wait until we dont need to have so many cables and everythings wireless in a few years, i mean look at that spiderweb
The Roland sounds are awful. Oddly, I like the 17. I HATE the 50 sounds. Your samples and patches are huge improvements on all of them. I would love a 6" concert tom added to the `17 Peart pack.
TD27
Definitely more finesse on the td 50 but the 50/27 are so close I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The 17 is noticeably more choked off. None of them wow me. If they had the means to remove the machine gunning and improve the naturalness of the sounds Roland would be pretty close to "good enough" territory. Right now they're 2/3 the way there. Next gen perhaps:)? A new flagship should be pretty close by statistically speaking.
What machine gunning? That is such a trope these days. Go back and listen to a TD12 or TD8 and then decide what machine gunning really is.
@@acmekanik9135 more and less machine gunning is still machine gunning. You can't deny that. I have a td 12 I know exactly what it is and Roland crumbles at higher speeds. It's a direct effect of not having enough sample variance which Roland doesn't since it's entirely dependent on positional sensing which is way too subtle to produce noticeable differences at higher speeds.
I don't see it. Back in the day, I had a TD12 with a PDX85 as a snare and the "machine gunning" was definitely present and TERRIBLE. I now have a TD27 and machine gunning is non existent. It replicates strength and position of hits pretty much perfectly. When I say "pretty much" I mean, I've not heard anything negative thus far, but nothing is ever perfect. But I've had my TD27 kit for 6 months or so now and not heard any discernible machine gunning? Each to their own I suppose?
@@spideliciousx9822 I've mostly listened to It through videos. Roland's own demonstrations have a lot of it. If you want a really nice example Thomas lang has a 27 demo where he just lay waste to the poor thing. That is some prime time machine gunning. He is a worst case scenario though. It's not like "machine gunning" just means play fast either. It's a very distinctive phenomenon resulting from the lack of variations in Roland's Toms in particular. They all have a very unnatural attack and no roomy/airiness to them imo. In real life the sounds blend together and the Tom attacks kinda flows together with the successive hits since the mylar doesn't reach a steady state between hits. Roland's Tom sounds do not really alter the attack at all when you play faster. If you listen for it it becomes very noticeable. It probably won't be an issue when you play the kit yourself but it's annoying on playback.
Anything below TD-27 sounds like a joke ;(
Pretty meaningless, as the different sounds are just different sounds.
You're right, I've wasted my time!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop lol....I love this response haha... Bro, the 50 Sample pack is amazing by the way... We LOVE that thing on our band...
😅 What else could I say? And thank you, glad you're enjoying the pack! Great to hear that you're using it in a bang environment too!