Roland TD-27 vs TD-50 | Is The TD-50 Still Worth Buying in 2021? Sounds and Feature Comparison
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- Sounds and feature comparison of the Roland TD-50 vs TD-27 drum modules.
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00:00 - What This Video Is Comparing
01:05 - Sound Comparison & Instruments
04:43 - Mic & Ambience Settings
06:42 - Sound Design & Workflow
07:57 - Other Similarities
08:45 - Functional Differences
10:15 - Inputs & Outputs
12:21 - Other Differences
13:02 - Who Each Module Is For
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That is one heavily used TD-50...
Finally, a video where someone lays out the differences quickly and clearly! Really useful overview. Thanks!
great video and detailed explanation of these two modules... still working out which one I'll end up going for... thanks for posting👌
Great comparison. Might be worth pointing out that the direct outs on the TD-50 are balanced.
Good shout! Thanks!
The TD-50 has 10 balanced outs vs 4 unbalanced outs on the TD-27. This is the top of the list deciding factor for anyone that wishes to feed their DAW through an external interface's inputs and A/D conversion as if each piece on the kit were individually mic'd. The TD-50 really should have 16 outs for its flagship tenure to match 16 channel interfaces. I wouldn't be surprised if the TD-50 has a higher fidelity conversion path for its outputs (the architecture of which would actually be helpful to know). Moreover if you do decide to go with a TD-27 (or a TM-6 Pro) preamplification will be required for each unbalanced Roland module output feeding your balanced interface input. I wouldn't trust either module to mix drums down to stereo and expect them to sit well within a mix. Roland could theoretically update their firmware to allow custom routing to L/R phone channels to expose two additional outs (albeit unbalanced -10 dB output) on any module if they wanted to be kind.
Just came across this comparison video. Great work - very detailed and clear. Thanks.
I will have to watch this at least 5 more times.Excellent content brother.
Thank you for putting so much effort in this comparison!
Thanks for watching!
so good !!! detail explained the differences between the two modules, wished i could read your channel beforehand the buying decision few weeks ago.
What did you end up going with?
Excellent review. Thanks so much once again.
Great review! Thank you for the information.
Fantastic comparison! A few months ago I became the proud owner of a TD-17KVX2 kit and while I am immensely enjoying what the TD-17 module has to offer, I am eventually going to upgrade to a higher end module and your comparison details a lot of things I most likely wouldn't have considered or thought of. Thanks again for creating this comparison.
Amazing review thanks so much
Nice work man, cheers 👍
As a power user/owner of the Pearl Mimic Pro, I think it's still one of the Top 3 modules you can buy for the money. It's a premium product with premium studio features and sounds, but glad to see Roland put more emphasis and redesign of the transient and sound designer workflow on the TD-27... it reminds me of the Mimic's! I think the value add of the TD-27 as well is that you get some of those kitchy electronic sounds and kits that sometimes become useful in a live settings, whereas the Mimic you'll have to seriously sound-shape kit pieces or load in WAV samples. I am thinking that if I can get a gently used TD-27 at a good price it'll be a nice supplement to the Mimic, especially for live gigs. I do appreciate the cable snake for live use, it makes setup just a tad breezier. I think if you take care of your equipment the cable snake should have no real failures over its lifetime.
Another great video! Love hearing and learning about all the functionality of these modules. For me the TD27 is right in a sweet spot for experience drummers who just want killer sounds with enough tweaking options to appeal to the part of a drummers brain that wants to dial in “their” sound. It seems almost like a TD-50 lite. Makes me wish Pearl would bring out a lite version of the mimic. Now that would be interesting. The channel rocks!
Thank you! Yeah, I agree - the 27 does a great job of getting the functionality in while being accessible and TD-50 Lite is a very apt description!
you my friend have an incredible talent! usually my brain just gives up after the 10th stat that you throw at it but i could follow your explanations trough the whole video! thank you so much
Thank you for the kind words 🙏 Glad it's helped!
My son has the TD27 and I have the TD50K model. Both great units. I’m still in the never ending process of making the factory kits my own, so I really appreciate your videos
Awesome - great pair of modules between you!
That is awesome! I would have to choose the 27 though considering price.
Damn! I am a stickler for obsessive detail and comprehensive analysis of all important and subtle considerations, and you sir exceeded even my own lofty standards. Crammed an F ton into this video. Bet it was a good bit of work to be able to get the message refined to quickly and concisely rifle through all of the points so well.
Anyway, I just picked up a TD27 kit and was already planning to buy your presets, but this would have easily sold me to support you and do that if I happened to be on the fence. Am getting back into drum after a 12 year break and focusing just on guitar. Found your channel were quickly and easily once I started looking, so you are definitely doing a great job with your efforts.
Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the kind words and support! I'm always unsure about whether I've gone to deep into things so it's nice to hear that it's appreciated! And the power of editing is what stops it from being too long 😅
Good luck with your return to drumming and have fun with it!
Hey, really helpful comparison. With the TD50X out now with more sounds plus the option of adding extra third party sounds - like yours - this is going to be my drum module. Being able to give the dry sound to the FOH on more than just 4 mono outputs is really key to getting the band and the venue appreciated e-drums. Rock on!
Yeah, the 50X is completely different so the sound comparisons are a bit out of date on this video now. There are more advantages for using the 50X live now, so if you want those extra direct outputs, it's well worth going for the 50X over the 27!
oh damn, td50 is a beefy boy as heck, i never saw one "in person" and didnt think its such a massive lad.
Great video! I have Td-27 and Td-50 They are both very good. But the Td-27 is the newer version and that is noticeable. I miss the bigger bass drum module in Td-27 But I love the way the kit performs. For the price td-27 is a no brainer. Buy it!👍
I got a TD-27 for home recording and practicing. The sounds are great, especially the sounds from third party creators, though there's 3 or 4 Roland kits that I enjoy that I've customized. What I mostly love about the TD-27 is that I can get those 28 channels for recording and don't have to take up more space with a bigger console. There's so much to love about it, and I think for the price, the TD-27 is hard to beat with all the possibilities. I wouldn't even consider at TD-50 unless I was a professional drummer. The difference in sound is minute, once you add compression, eq, other effects, and mix it, you can't tell.
Great video, very informative 🥁
Thanks!
Subscribed!
Great content brother, well done! 👍
Thanks!
Awesome content!!!
Thanks!
Only thing I miss w the 27 are the faders though love how the knobs provide instant response for instrument sounds, tuning, muffling etc. Also love the “Kit Edit” button that displays and allows changes to all parameters from a single screen 👏👏
Agreed - the faders are the thing I miss most when I swap between them! The 27 workflow is great!
I suppose it depends on your usage. I used them quite often live, depending on the venue/PA. I also find them useful for quick volume edits when recording the master outputs for videos (I don't bother multi-tracking as I'm usually trying to show exactly what you'd hear in the master outputs or headphones). I can see why that wouldn't be important to everyone.
Very thorough comparison I myself am looking for a studio bass practice space lots of sounds and something that's easy to transport and setup at many small gigs looks like the 27kv would be for me
Very informative. I would definitely recommend using a digital mixer if you are using the TD27 for live shows, I learned this the hard way unfortunately but then I got the Behringer X32 and it was truly a game changer! I assume the same applies for the TD50. Makes me a little nervous when you say the TD50 is better for live events but I understand what you mean; being able to add more depth to your sound on the TD50 is an important factor which I was able to hear clearly in this demonstration. Thanks again! 👍👍
x32 digital mixer..?
I'm all ears..getting a td27kv mid Dec 2021 & will be gigging live by
the end of Jan.. what can I do to enhance my sounds live..
I would love to talk / learn more..
Kelly.
@@kfabian7736 Sick!! I have the TD27KV for my practice kit and i have the Roland-VAD506 for my live gigs. And I HIGHLY recommend a digital mixer, it's made it so much easier customizing and adjusting the sounds/levels from my iPad without ever having to get off the throne. I can adjust my In-ear monitors, my drum monitor and the module itself each have their own customized effects. Especially when you have other players it's really nice to be able to have assigned editing slots for each player if that makes sense ..
Hey man. Great info. Thank you for that! Quick question. I'm looking into getting a Roland acoustic kit for my church and for recording. I'm not too concerned with the TD 27 serving as a midi controller for recording. But I am curious as to just HOW big the difference is in sound quality between the 27 and the 50 while playing live. If you could shine just a little light on that it would be very appreciated. Cheers! B)
Complete, well organized, no dilly dally. It moved along well! A little to well when the TD-17 and other came in the conversation but the overall points of difference. I find it fascinating there is little discussion regarding the sound of Cymbals as that sound replication and variations seem more complex and where e-sets seem to falter especially when the fake ones cost more than real ones
Probably the biggest improvement I got going full Roland ekit (306 w/27) is the crashes. Even my TD1 ( which uses TD30 sounds) has impressive crashes. I get so much more enjoyment having softer and smaller cymbals for crashes.
This is a very helpful video thanks.
Any chance of weighing up the TD50 against the older TD30? The multiple audio outputs are essential for my application, and there's a few 2nd hand TD30s floating around at reasonable prices.
And as you mentioned the value of the 27 being half in price to the 50 allows you to buy two 27’s for the price of one 50 allowing a primary and secondary module and related piece of mind 👏
Or use them together for 8 outputs :o
Hi! I absolutely love your videos! Your depth of knowledge and understanding of these modules is really unmatched on UA-cam. You are a great teacher, sir.
I want to ask if you could tell me whether or not the TD-27 has a certain capability. On the TD-50 that I own, I am able to produce a very nice gated reverb effect simply by choosing an instrument and diminishing decay to basically 0, Then going to the ambience section-room, reverb, enhance, etc., and turning all ambience off. Then I choose reverb Hall1 and bring Hall 1 pre delay and/or time down to 0.2 sec. Then I crank up Send Level for the instrument I’m editing. This produces a great Phil Collins and Power Station gated reverb which I have a lot of fun with. So I wanted to ask if the TD-27 has the same capability? I know that in the video you said both modules are basically matched in the effects section, but I wanted to make sure.
Thanks so much! And thanks for the incredible work you do for us!
Hey! Sorry for the wait. Yeah, you can do this on the TD-27 too. The 27 doesn't have the exact same ambience setup as the original TD-50 (the 50X is closer to the 27), but since you're only using 1 reverb for this, it will work on the 27 no problem. Thanks for the kind words!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks so much!!
Nice chops
Thank you 🙏
What are your opinions on the leap of quality from the TD-17 and the TD-27? Compression is a big deal for me so I like the idea of having it on the TD-27. Is their also a leap in triggering/latency? And do you find it can cut the mix a lot better?
The TD-17 uses the same sound engine and to my ears, and many people, sounds just as good as both the TD-17 and TD-50, if not better. The limitations of the TD-17 are less tweak-ability (but still plenty) and the biggie (for me) is only stereo outs, which really limits the ability to mix the drums in a song if you want to use the onboard sounds (which I like to do). I have the TD-17 and really like the sounds, but will be upgrading to either the TD-27 or Alesis Strike Module, which sounds awesome.
Hey man, thanks for the video. I have a question for you. I often record my drum covers by connecting my spotify by bluetooth to the td 27 module and then playing along over top of it. Then exporting it all afterwards to the sd before tranferring sd files to the computer. Every now and then, I'll get a cut out from the bluetooth, messing up perfect takes. I read in the manual i can connect to mix in via my usbC output from my phone to the quarter inch mix in jack. I did that, but the sound from my phone doesnt seem to come out of the headphones like the td 27 sounds do. If i download the driver and use a production program like you did in this video, will that enable me to hear the spotify through the mix in as well as the td 27 drums so i am able to record without bluetooth, but instead, directly?
Good review. TD-50X is it ...outputs pad inputs + samples are better. To bad about USB outs though. The rack fx & rack & fx ambience is great...the issue is how much rack fx can be created & used on differing pad/vcyms.
Had both at one point, both pack more features than most would ever need but the TD27 is a lot of value for the price. Today's flagship is tomorrow's mid range.
And with the ATV and Roland 18" rides being almost the same price, this really gives you no reason not to at least try a Digital ride.
Digital snares on the other hand are quite pricey but I love it too much not to justify it, but I did pick one up for $350 used!!
I agree on the value of the 27, for sure. That's a great price you got on that digital snare!
Where u get the snare????????????????????
@@chezchezchezchez ebay
Thank you for your review. Regarding the functionality, could you combine an interface (i.e. roland studio capture) with the td-27 to match the td-50's # of ins/outs, etc.? I ask because in terms of price, td-27 + a roland studio-capture is cheaper than td-50 alone, so I wasn't sure if td-27 + an interface can match the functionality + flexibility of td-50 (outside of needing to use 2 machines instead of 1 which would be td-50's benefit for that extra price).
I'm not too knowledgeable of edrums, been mostly an acoustic player
Great video I was sold on a td 50 till I saw this video. I would like to see more about the td-27 warmup mode to see if it is really a reason over the new 50x now that they fixed the usb out limitation to 32 channels.
Thanks! The differences between the 27 and 50X are a bit more pronounced that the original 50, for sure. In the X, there are now more sounds, more channels over USB as you say, better transient features, better master EQ and compression features, improvements to the sample imports, the coach features have been brought inline with the 27 and a good few other improvements. So there is much more reason to opt for the 50X if you have the budget and think you will use the features. However, the 27 is still very solid and can do a lot for its mid range price tag.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop great thanks for the info.
Thanks for the great video. Can you tell me if the TD-27 has the same positional sensing as the TD-50? I heard the TD-27 doesn't have full positional sensing on the digital ride. Is that true?
At 07:55 he says"... the punch and clarity of the TD 50's certainly desirable but not essential..." I think that's probably true if you are playing at home or in a less than formal situation, less set up for sure but in a pro studio session or an important gig I would go for the punch and clarity and the individual balanced direct outs over a stereo out. The TD 27 does sound decent especially for the money but can the instruments be recorded separately thru a mixer ( latency)? Can recording or performing using MIDI out be an option with the TD 27? Then dialing in more punch and clarity thru the mixer keeping the signal in the digital realm rather than converting to analog? I'm trying to decide which to buy.
I’m looking at getting the TD-27kv2 kit … Interested in your general thoughts on it?
A lot of the features that TD-27 has that the TD-50 didn't got sorted via the TD-50X software upgrade. Of course that Bluetooth isn't one of them, and that is still missing from the TD-50X. Worth pointing out that if you upgraded a TD-50 to the TD-50X, or if you bought a new TD-50X, the hardware features are exactly the same, with the exception of some cosmetics.
Great side by side comparison. I have a 50 and have considered getting a 27 for smaller shows when I don't play full kit. Curious if you have any of the Roland 16 inch cymbals that only work with the 27 and if you do, what do you think of them?
The VAD pads and cymbals work well with the TD-50, too. It is just that they don't currently show up as predefined trigger setting, and you have to configure them a bit from other presets. Once.
Thanks! I've not tried the CY-16R-T yet, unfortunately. They should work with other modules too - the TD-17 has a preset for them on the most recent software version and I've seen people using them with TD-50 kits - but not all modules will have a preset that will "optimise" for them. *edit - Yes, as Ralph said!
@@RalphMeijer Thanks for the info
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks for the response and info
Great video, Luke...how´s that Yamaha Hi-Hat behaving with the Roland modules?
Thank you! It performs well, but keep in mind that it is only a PCY-135 cymbal as the hi-hat pad - I'm using a Roland FD-7 foot controller pedal with it for the open/close. I don't believe Yamaha's hi-hat controllers work with Roland modules at all. The Yamaha cymbal pads work with Roland modules, but only as a dual zone cymbal (with choke) rather than the 3 zones you'd get on a Yamaha module.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop ooouk...that's why I was surprised...I've tried Yamaha cymbals on my old TD-4 and they basically failed miserably (they were also the old weird shaped ones), but I thought things might have changed since then. Thanks for the answer...very nice of you.
I have a TD-20X and I want to upgrade, what do you think is better, TD-20 or TD-50X, I don't do live shows, but I'm afraid of the multicable on the td-27, what do you recommend?🥁
Cool video. I want to know, which of is the better choice if you just want to trigger Superior Drummer? Thanks and greetz ✌🏼
If you're just triggering a VST and don't need the physical outputs, I'd go for the 27 personally. They both trigger MIDI as well as each other and both have either MIDI out ports or USB MIDI. The only real downside is fewer trigger inputs, but the 50 is a big jump in price for 2 extra inputs!
Does any one here have any experience with Roland's pattern play and editing in their modules? I am looking for the oldest cheapest Roland module that contains this feature. Some might know this feature as Play a long midi backing tracks, not to be confused with Mp3 play a long backing tracks. Thanks for any help on this subject.
When considering the TD-50x how does your opinion change if at all? Could you release a video comparing the TD-27 to TD-50x?
I will do in the future, these kinds of videos take a long time to make!
Tpseems clear they partly neutered the 27 soundwise (internal module sounds), so as not to cannibalise their market for the 50 so much … but if you are just using the modules to trigger Superior Drums or Steven Slate, there would be zero difference between the 50 and the 27, correct?! Great vid/comparison! Cheers!
Would you make a video on how to record a TD-27 using Logic Pro (latest) by a band wanting to record their original music - with & without Superior Drummer 3. Is there any real advantage to the TD-50's eight direct outs for recording? We are having a lot of trouble trying to record the electric drums. THANKS
Unfortunately I don't own Logic, a Mac or Superior Drummer 3 in order to make this a reality, sorry. As far as the advantages of the direct outs for recording - this is something you might want to do if you're dead set on using the module's sounds but you also need or want the ability to process them in the DAW afterwards.
You can use a USB connection to send the same routing (10 channels total) without having to bother hooking up 8 cables to an interface if you use the full Roland driver with the module in VENDOR mode. Using either method though, USB or physical outputs, will get you the same results sonically. Hope that helps in some way.
If you had to pick between the td27 or td30 for playing live at pubs and small bars etc which one would you choose? They about similar price.
I have an old td12 for practicing at home and although the sounds are ancient it triggers really well! I recently got a td11 to play live and I'm a bit disappoint with the play feel.
I haven't used the TD-30 (besides a quick play in a shop years ago), so can't really say. If you feel like you need the flagship features (extra in/outputs etc) then the 30 might pip it but usually I'd recommend the newer generation as their overall response is better, especially with the digital pads.
hello Sir, would you mind doing a similar video on "td17 vs td27 | Is The TD-27 Still Worth Buying? Sounds and Feature Comparison"? THANKS for video(s)!!
Just purchased and set up the td-27kv2. Bit stumped... According to your video (11:40) we should be able to assign any drum to any mono output. However, in reality, though our module screen looks the same as yours, we are only getting stereo left and right of all instruments, plus two assignable channels. The screen says one thing, but the output in reality is different.
Have you any ideas why this is happening? Why would Roland allow the option of assigning drums to different outputs, including the left and right, if we can't use them that way?
Hey! If you go to SYSTEM > OUTPUT > ROUTING, there is an option called "Master Out". By default this is set to "Normal" which has the Master outputs paired together to be used as a full mix of everything with the master effects applied. If you swap this to "Direct" it turns the master outputs into two more direct outputs instead, giving you 4 assignable mono outputs that bypass the master effects (like the other direct outputs). That is the mode I'm using in the be video which is why the master channels are labelled "Master Direct".
You can then choose to configure these how you like from the PAD DIR and OTHER DIR tabs. There is more information about these functions in the TD-27 Data List manual that you can download from Roland's website. I hope that helps!
Hi, you have a lot of experience. Please advise. I own a TD 25 and would like to upgrade, buy a TD 27. I'm mainly concerned with the sounds. What is your opinion on the sounds of the TD 25 versus the TD 27. Will I improve?
To be honest, I've not used the TD-25 much at all other than a short play test a long time ago. From the audio examples I've heard, the TD-27 is more expressive but the 25 maybe sounds a bit more "produced" out of the box with some quite punchy sounds. So the 27 has quite a different character, but I think there's probably a lot more that can be done with it than the 25 due to its extra features and sample imports. But definitely listen to as many examples as you can to determine yourself or try one if possible!
why no digital audio out? it used to be there
Nice one Luke
Thanks Brett!
Would you go for td30 (£1500)or td27 (£2400)?
I know I'm comparing flagship to mid level, but given they have different sound engines , the 27 has digital usb pads (though an annoyingly small floor tom), and different amounts of ins and outs - enough difference that does make one wonder what's best bet. It would be mainly for playing at home rather than gigging and elaborate recording.
Fear 1: will the td30 be /become less responsive due to age significantly sooner ie within next 5yrs say
Fear 2: when they make all pads usb will i wish i'd waited for that? lol
Please help me man! How do you change the volume of the sub inst ?? I see the volume bar but I cant change it. Please help
Press right until it's highlighted, then use the dial to adjust it.
Hi Luke any new sounds coming for TD 17 soon? Cheers
Hey! Yes, there will be! Currently working on Famous Vol. 2 across the 3 Roland modules.
Hi there, can u share Rock Ringy kit?
I think I just want to know two things. One if I’m to use superior drummer will the 27 be good. Two how many possible pads can I add to this kit in total if I am to use the digital snare ride and hibhat. I’d like to know how many total pads toms or cymbals I can put to max it out.
The TD-27 should meet your needs for SD, for sure. You get the same number of inputs whether you use the digital pads or not - they're an either/or input for that instrument "channel" rather than an extra input. So you can have 12 pads - kick, snare, toms 1-3, hi-hat, ride, crash 1&2, and aux 1-3 inputs on the TD-27.
With the right kind of splitter cable, you can split pads to add more (using the rim zone of the split pads for another sound). You'll have to configure those sounds manually and the pads will only be single zone without cymbal chokes.
if they slapped so much of flagship functions on td27 they MUST have a great future td60 in planing because it wouldnt make sense.
I play in an 80s function band, I need to faithfully replicate classic 80s sounds and require something thats robust for a lot of gigging. I guess thats pointing to the td50?
In terms of the pads...is the only difference between the 2 set ups the kick drum?..I believe the snare and ride cymbal are the same but was wondering about the other pads/hihatt/crash cymbals...I'm currently wondering which full set up to go for
It depends on the model, there are multiple configurations for the TD-50 lineup. Yes, the digital snare and ride are the same across all TD-27/50 kits, but the newer version (TD-50KV2) is pretty different. The module is the newer updated TD-50X, so the comparisons on this video don't fully apply to the 50X as it has new sounds and other features. It also has the new digital hi-hat, the newer thin crash cymbals, different toms (2x PD-108, 2x PD-128), different kick and different rack compared to the TD-27KV.
The older models of the TD-50, the KV and KVX, are closer to the 27KV but the tom pads are still higher end (the 108 and 128, compared to 3x PD-100 on the 27KV), the hi-hats are higher end (VH-13 compared to the VH-10 on the 27KV), the kick is different on each and the crash cymbals are larger.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks for the info...I think it's the TD50k2 I've got a price for..just over 3 and a half grand new
Oh, I completely missed the K2 from this, sorry! That is much closer, looking at it. The tom pads are the same as the 27KV, but it's still got the updated 50X module, newer thin crashes, bigger kick drum and new digital hi-hats. So quite an upgrade in a few ways, in my opinion.
Is it possible to use the TD50 sound module on a TD25 kit and retain the TD50 sound effect?
Do you mean straight swap the modules? So running the TD-25's pads with a TD-50 module? If so then yes, but you will need a new cable loom with separate jacks as the TD-50 has individual inputs whereas the 25 has a cable snake with DB25 connector. The TD-50 doesn't come with its own cable loom.
One of the big benefits of a TD-50 is the digital pads though so I would definitely try and get a bundle with the pads too, moving the snare and ride from the 25 to other inputs if you can.
I have an old TD-10 with 10 and 14" pads. It makes such a difference in playing with a larger surface. For the price we have to pay for this setup without hardware, Roland is really not doing much for their customers over the past twenty years aside from better sensitivity and realism of sounds. Also, the TD 10 had 1/4" inputs for each pad instead of this bundled snake multi pin input garbage that if one wire fails the whole snake needs to be replaced. So I need to pay $6k to have independent inputs and outputs?
I recently pulled out my old TD 10s after 10 yrs in storage and these puppies still function well even without the new Vcymbals and HH. I do acknowledge the built-in technology challenges of the kit compared to today. However, it seems like what Roland is billing as new and innovative is nothing more than what they already had in the older models but probably just tweaked a bit better sampling and modeling features I would hope. The ambiance, rooms, fx, and compression features are all 20 yr old features.
So, please tell me the main differences after twenty years that that is worth spending the money on and apparently not having some basic amenities that I mentioned above. I want to upgrade the pads and HH. Are the new pads that much better than twenty years ago in design and function? I will be soon talking with a Sweetwater rep about this topic, so anything you can educate me about in advance would be appreciated. I get the interface features are important now as well. Is there another Roland alternative I do not want to go to another brand like Yamaha since I know the Roland language, menus, and modeling features very well by now? Any other Roland alternatives you may suggest at the TD 27 price point?
What about the layering features, and backing track features? Are they user-friendly? I still am attempting to learn the DAW recording and sampling technology which I am finding rather frustrating at the age of 60 :). Thank you for your videos and look forward to your reply.
Entièrement d’accord avec vous!
J’ai aussi un td-10 et il fonctionne comme au premier jour. Je l’ai fait vérifier chez Roland. Aucun défaut.
Je préfère avoir un câble jack par Tom plutôt qu’un serpent.
Le Hi-hat est important. La ride et Snare aussi. Ce sont les seuls grands changements que Roland a fait en 20 ans. Je partage votre avis.
Je vais compléter mon kit avec un td-50 juste pour les sensations des vh-14D, vu-18DR, PD 140-DS.
Ce sont les seules améliorations de Roland en 20 ans
I bought some TD-50 kits a while back...but now currently own a TD-27...will these still work if I import them??
Hi. No, the files are not compatible between different modules unfortunately. Each Roland module has a different sound set and available settings so they don't work with each other. That's why I have to create different packs from scratch for each module, despite them being designed for the same purpose.
I don’t know what it is, but I just really dig the sounds of the TD27...moreso than the TD17 or even the TD50. The TD50 looks sweet but I’m not in lust over it lol. I want to pull the trigger on getting the TD27 but I’m hearing about hi-hat issues that the 17 & 50 don’t seem to be having. Hopefully that can be fixed with a firmware update perhaps. I’m really romancing the VAD 506, as a long time Roland guy, this is my holy grail lol. Great video!
There's a certain "roundness" to the TD-27 variations of the 50's sounds, definitely. The 50 is a bit more wild and cutting, but there's definitely an appeal to the 27's approach! Yeah, the hi-hat issue is a bit concerning - I've personally not experienced it when testing with my FD-7 pedal and I mostly run the 27 over MIDI from the 50. I hear the bulk of the issues are found with VH-10/11 setups. Hopefully it gets acknowledged and sorted soon.
The DIGITAL high hat????????????
What a great video! I currently have a td 30 and I wanted to upgrade to one of these two.
I use LIVE 10 n SD3. I think the td 27 would work best for me
Thanks! If you're mostly using VSTs, the 27 should tick most of the boxes!
If you’d selling it, send me the link
I had a thought. So, roland is distancing themselves quite a lot from their "TD" brand, to "VAD". This wasn't a coincidence. To illustrate my point we first need to establish that roland just released an entire new line of high end, rack/pad kits with the 50K2's. So, they're obviously still investing in a market that craves that kind of classic setup.
The VAD line however, caters to another market. I think Roland should lean into that. By that i mean, make an entirely different range of modules for VAD kits. Use the same pads and technology, by all means - but make a VST like module for the VAD series. Keep the racks and the editing for those that crave that. Separate it and keep the (what Roland wants you to believe) "legendary" TD editing capabilities. Make a propper drum module for your propper drum shells.
Roland is happy, they get to keep that proud legacy of, in my opinion fun sound modules for pop/electronic music, but otherwise extremely unsatisfactory, and they get to pull out another module that competes with where everyone else is going - which doesn't infringe on their legacy (what i think is very important to Roland).
I simply do not believe that it is possible to create a module that pleases both camps unless it simply has full blown VST samples that can't be edited - next to ones that can. And i don't think that's acceptable for them. There will be latency differences, it requires a lot of processing power you may or may not use. It's not gonna be optimal.
Think it's a good idea? Too much RND? Too much effort from Roland? Big ship moves mucho slowly. Maybe they're more nimble than their greedy antics of yore would have us believe...
Great video. I'm glad I bought the TD-50 now even though I've left it up to you and a few others to design the drum kits I'm using. Ease of use is the only big advantage I can see for me with the TD-27. But the fact is once the quarantine is lifted most of the venues I'll be playing will want separate/balanced outputs. And other than the third usb input I use every other input on the module.
On a slightly different tangent I have a couple of questions. Is it practical to use two modules for live shows and how difficult is it? I don't mean adding a TD-27 module to my TD-50 kit. That would be redundant. But a Mimic so I could take advantage of the more realistic sounding kits while maintaining the advantage of the digital snare, ride and positional sensing.
Thanks Robyn! Yeah, if you need the outputs, there's no getting around it - the TD-50 is the choice! It's still a very solid module either way, I don't want to downplay how much I've enjoyed using it over the years.
Hmm, I suppose if you've had chance to test it all out beforehand, it's reasonably practice/easy but it'll depend on exactly how you want it all set up. With more gear, especially if it's all interacting, there's always the potential of more failure points to try and manage. If you were thinking of using the TD-50 entirely for sending MIDI into the Mimic, for example, if something happens to that MIDI connection then that's all the sound gone and the triggers are all hooked up into the module that's not producing the sounds. You also can't get all of the benefits of the digital pads from the Mimic (I've covered that in a video or two already if you want to know more). If you set up a way of quickly swapping to the TD-50's outputs in that scenario then that's probably enough to cover it.
On the flip side, if you're just running them both side by side (some pads into one, some into another), there's at least always some useable parts hooked up to each module. I used to run triggers into my SPD-SX that would then be sent via MIDI to an Octapad to allow me to hook up more external pads, but the "failsafe" there was that the sounds were still accessible via the Octapad's face pads if something happened. There is always the chance of a single module/setup going awry too, I suppose. So it's about working out where any potential problems might lie and accounting for them ahead of time, really. If it seems like there'd be too many things to reasonably manage during a live performance then maybe it's better sticking to one. If it seems like it wouldn't be too bad and the pros outweigh the cons then it's doable. Bit long winded but hope that helps haha!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thank you Luke, that does clarify. I'm trying to get away from more complications so I think I'll steer clear then. I do have SSD5.5 but I'm not sure if that would be just as iffy and complicated.
Hey, I have a question about the td 50 module. Can I use the td 50 module for my td 17kvx drum set?
Yeah, all of the pads with the TD-17KVX kit are compatible with the TD-50 module. You will need to get separate TRS jack cables for the pads though because the 50 uses individual jacks, not the "cable snake" that the TD-17 uses.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks man! And thanks for letting me know which I’m buying the module right now just wanted to make sure everything worked! Glad you responded🙏🏼
I heard rumours that those extra inputs are unusable. Have you tried adding 3 more cymbals and one more tom. Does it actually work? I cannot find confirmation in the manual.
Which extra inputs are you talking about? All of the inputs on the modules are useable, but if you're using the digital pads for any inputs, it disables the corresponding analogue one. So, still the same number of inputs, but you can only use one method - digital or analogue.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop In addition to TD27KV kit, I would like to add fourth tom, china and splash into aux1, aux2, aux3. I'm trying to upgrade from my alesis drumkit from 1996 but I'm not sure if TD27 can handle three more instruments.
Yeah, the 3 AUX ports all work fine. The stock configuration for them is splash on Aux 1, china on Aux 2 and tom on Aux 3. I've had them all plugged in, works great. You just can't use the the jack inputs for the snare or ride when using the digital inputs for them, that's all.
now with the upgrade to TD-50x, it is the best module out there, where just prior to upgrade it was the most over-priced beast you could get
Glad you're liking the update!
Not sure about the 50 but on 17 I found the ambience knob to be almost of no use. The effect it has is so subtle it's almost not noticeable. On default kits there is almost no difference between the middle position and max position. On my own kits where I assigned big reverb for ballads or gated reverb for 80s fun I have to turn the knob all the way to the max to get noticeable effect. It's kinda disappointing. I know it's probably due to it trying to emulate realism but why do that on an electronic kit? Even in studio if you want you can crank the room/overheads way up. I feel it's kind of a missed opportunity.
Interesting. I've had good results with the ambience knob but I agree that it depends on the kit and how the settings are configured. Have you checked the send settings? I find myself sending a higher level to the ambience for the instruments than I usually do on other modules so that could be where the difference lies. If you check out the video I did for my HUGE 'N' HEAVY collection for the 17, I did a demo at the end showing off the differences with the ambience at min, max and just past the middle and it's quite dramatic on the "big room" kits I made.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Yes, I ended up setting the send level way up high for the kits where I need the ambience knob to have a noticeable effect (mostly the ballad and gated reverb stuff). I'm just surprised the default setting is so subtle.
Are you using a Yamaha hi hat? If so which one? What hh controller?My bro just bought the td 50 upgrade kit for his td20.
So jealous....😂
I'm using a Yamaha PCY-135 cymbal pad as my hi-hat, but still using a Roland FD-7 controller with it. The Yamaha hi-hat controllers don't work properly (or maybe at all) with Roland, but the cymbals work fine as a dual zone cymbal pad!
Yes & he bought the used set from Musiciansfriends that I was just about to buy - boo hoo.
I am a professional drummer looking to record tracks for people remotely from my home.. I was hoping to be able to record then mix out any of the sound that gives it away as an e kit.. Do I really have to put myself 8,000 in the hole to do that? Is there a way around the lesser amount of inputs on the TD-27? Anybody, please give me some input, no pun intended.. Thanks
If you're recording, it's outputs that you need rather than inputs, right? Unless you just need more pads. The TD-27 can record up to 28 outputs over USB, or you can record the MIDI and swap the sounds for a VST like EZ Drummer, Superior Drummer, Steven Slate etc.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Yes ,Outputs is what i meant.. Thank you for this info! Ok, this is great.. This is really encouraging.. after 20 years of recording in other people’s studios, i’m finally able to set up my own. This video was really informative. And thank you for getting back to me so quickly
Simply because I'm trying to make a larger drum kit, I think I'll have to leap from the 27 to the 50. Shame, cause this thing is really good minus its sandbagged input count
To be honest, I was surprised they put as many inputs on the 27 as they did - only 2 behind the flagship is pretty generous by Roland standards 😅
Were you playing tool at 2:30
Hey! At 2:30 I think I was just playing something improvised that was meant to be a little bit similar to some ideas from a section of a Dave Matthews Band song (because I was playing the Beauford kit).
@@TheeDrumWorkshop right on! Do you have any extra hi hat foot controllers or hi hat geodrums for sale? I have an Alesis dm8 pro and I absolutely expanded to a triggera china, 135hh yamaha as my hi hat, strike 14’, and upgraded my regular tom heads to mesh heads I made myself with old tom hoops and needle and mesh. Wish I could post a picture but my kits hi hat separate controller is the weakest link. Its garbage lol. Thanks if not though.
No, I don't have any pedals for sale. Sorry!
I see you are using a Yamaha hi hat with a Roland module. Are they naturally compatible or did you do something to make it work?
Hi Mark. I replied on another post but I'll paste it here for others to see too -
It's actually just a Yamaha cymbal pad with a Roland or Goedrum controller. More on it here -
ua-cam.com/video/WP8isQvO0Go/v-deo.html
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I'm curious about this as well: do you prefer this Yamaha HH compared to the VH-10? I'd like to know because I'm choosing between a DTX8KM and a TD-27KV and I can't decide hahaha
I have a TD17 and a TD27 module and what the TD27 makes up in functionality is surely loses in the quality of onboard sounds.
The sounds are horrible, specifically the snare sounds and also, the lack of sounds is also a real issue.
The quality of the TD17 sounds is far superior to that of the TD27, in my opinion at least.
If the TD27 had the same quantity and quality sounds as the TD17 it might be the better alternative to the TD50.
What is the sound foam for? lol
Partly to try and bring audible reflections down a little bit in the mic, partly to have something in the background that wasn't just a plain wall 😅
Is TD 30 still any good ?
I've not had much experience with the TD-30, but many people still really like the module. Some prefer it over the newer generation's sound character. It's also got flagship features on its side, which is a bonus. Personally, if I was to purchase one, it would need to be at a good price versus what's available now as it's getting pretty old.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop True it’s getting old
Just got my td-50 and upgraded to the X version. For some reason the digital hi hat just plays better on the 50 compared to the 27. Also the PDX-100 suck on both modules, lol
Hope you enjoy the 50X! The TD-50X has updated samples that are optimised for the VH-14D and also have positional sensing enabled. The 27 doesn't, it just has "compatibility" with the VH-14D, so that's probably a large part of it!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Sorry Luke, I meant to say in terms of foot control. I've just started being taught on how to use the hi-hat pedal and on the TD-27, it's like you have to raise slightly earlier (my technique for the open sound is to hit and raise foot rather than hit when open. Feels more natural to me) and have more tension on the stand compared to an acoustic kit. In the trigger monitor screen it does show the positional hits thou. On the 50x, it just works for me anyway. Would be nice for a second opinion on this.
The eDW house kit on the 50x compared to the 27 is on a different level, miles better, so much clarity.
My question is, who needs 700+ sounds? All I ask for is ONE good one and all the extra features
Superior drummer 3 is the choice!
If you're after a VST with a lot of great sounds, it looks like one of the best!
I just bought a Novation launch control xl to control the individual drum volumes, ( in my Vst ) this was my one refinement left to do, as while playing an e-kit it was very difficult to control hi-hat volumes in relation to the rest of the kit on the fly using a mouse.
Вообщем, если не хватает звона монет на TD-50, то бери TD-27)))
I'm still using my TD-9 i bought in 2008 😂
If it works, it works!
So expensive and the screws are rusty?!!!
td27 for me, as roland modules are just glorified superior drummer controllers...
Then get a td-4
The roland Td-50 module is an unfinished product, that's only 200 useful sounds , and sounds is suck that i never seen , so must be purchase the god damn upgrade pack to get 900 sounds
Just upgraded to the td-27 from a td-17 and out of the box the sounds are way better than the 17. The ones that are the same even sound better. A little fuller or something idk.