AVOID These eDrum Mistakes - How To Use Electronic Drums Effectively | The eDrum Workshop
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- Опубліковано 11 бер 2020
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Ahh, felt on mesh heads! How did I miss that?! Anything else you think should have been in there?
@2boxer drumit It's pretty nuts that this simple thing isn't written on the box somewhere or a patch supplied. I know it's sometimes in the manuals but we all know not everyone reads them!
@@slawaschwed It was about not using a felt beater directly on a mesh head. I covered it recently in this video - ua-cam.com/video/yZu6whAra_A/v-deo.html 😊
"Here we go, just yank the cords out of the module from five feet away and toss the kit, rack and all, right in the van on top of all the other stuff ----*crash* done....let's move on out"!
Funny I ve been using a double pedal with felt on my td15 for 3 years 😂never knew my screen had alot of white power on it 😂
I'm new to drumming, but a lot of this i already knew from experience writing music digitally.
Seems that wisdom is transferrable!
I rarely heard explanations as clear as these👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I played e kit for a few years with head phones only and I had every thing dialed in pretty good. Then one day I was asked to jam with others and hooked up to an amplifier, what a shock every thing that sounded good on head phones sounded like crap live.
Thank you for your review of all the usual suspects that cause e-kits to be not such a great experience.
There is something to be said for acoustic drums, its pretty much set'em up and play, ok you might need to tune a skin or two but I'm in charge of the dynamics not a velocity curve, but we all don't have the luxury of making a lot of noise because of our living situations, so thank God for e-kits that let us enjoy drumming with out disturbing others.
Excelent video, this is the first that explain clearly technical issues on sensitivity of the pads without being boring or useless. thanks a lot!!!
Thanks, glad you're enjoying the videos!
Great video!! I was inspired and spent about an hour in my TD50 adjusting the sensitivity settings and curve. My drums are acoustic converted, and it’s now pretty close to acoustic dynamics. My big mistake was always to pick a generic pad option and crank the sensitivity until it sounded right to me, not considering the dynamic curve. Just one hour spent so far on this aspect has made a huge difference 👍😎
Oh wow, glad the video could help and inspire you to tweak your kit! To be honest, when setting up, you just want to get playing most of the time, so the generic pad + quick settings option is the quickest way to achieve that - unsurprising that a lot of people do it. Awesome that you've been able to improve the kit already! Thanks for watching, as always!
Why are my Simmons pads quieter in the middle and louder on the edge of the pads.... Is that normal or is it because the pads are worn out ? They are half the volume in the middle than they are on the edge of the pads
Which Simmons kit is it? I'm not that familiar with their pads so I'm kind of guessing, but it could either be that it has side triggers/a single side trigger which you might be hitting as you go towards the side of the pad, causing "spikes" in volume, or it could be from deterioration over time. Difficult to say without being able to check it out.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop it's a Simmons SD 5K I believe I'm a guitarist and bass player but I've just bought it yesterday used in Phoenix Arizona
@@TheeDrumWorkshop no it's the same identical voice like the snare is a snare the same identical snare voice but just half the volume the toms are a Tom same idea called Tom voice just that the middle of it you get half the volume
One of the best eDrum videos out there. Thanks much.
I am a bit more scared about transitioning into e-drums now, but I feel like that is a good thing. Thanks for raising awareness on this kind of stuff. I have watched quite a few videos on this subject, and quite frankly, you make some excellent points that others have failed to or forgotten to mention. This is a great video that has helped me figure out where I need to dive deeper, particularly in terms of setting up the module. I'm sure you have a video or two around that will help explain some of these concepts further.
For real though, I have seen this theme in the handful of your videos that I have watched so far... If there are 5 different channels with the same subject matter, such as "Mistakes to Avoid," you do an excellent job of not heavily overlapping the content of other channels, and the way you explain your concepts is second-to-none. You truly have your own voice!
You're probably going to get a million comments from me in the span of a few days as I blast through as much of your content as I can... I am mostly just trying to help w/ the UA-cam algorithm to get these excellent videos out to more people, but I really do appreciate your work and how damn detailed you are with your overall ideas and concepts.
Really useful, Luke - thanks... coming late to the party but really inspired by your insights. Thank you for sharing the knowledge.
Outstanding advice..... thank you.
Great video. I've been avoiding all those settings like the plague cuz I hate the technical aspect to music, but you've convinced me I need to get in there sometimes.
Thanks Douglas! Yeah, understandable - it's definitely not all that fun and can be frustrating trying to get the balance right but it will help improve the experience in the long run!
Thanks for sharing this, really valuable information. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks man I’m getting old , a bit of a dumb ass and thick as mud but you’ve just sorted a low volume problem I have on Tom one on my td 20 module many many thanks bless ya 👍
Ahh awesome, glad to be of help! Thanks for watching!
Great stuff you are giving!!!
Thank you! Absolutely the best UA-cam channel for eDrum programming expertise. Your analogies between acoustic and edrums and the specific parameters to address on the module to achieve optimum performance is priceless.
Thanks David, high praise! Glad that you're enjoying the content!
I agree.Been playing acoustic for 47 years.About to get my first E set.
You are a champion. Such useful and insightful information. If only I'd found you sooner.
Dude, awesome video! Having been around e-drums and all the ins and outs since about 1991, this is stuff I have already known for years. BUT... coming in from a newbie perspective, this is the stuff that I'd imagine is NOT spoken of at sales level. So this is GOLDEN for anyone coming in from virgin e-drum perspective. I have said it before and I'll say it here again... YOU DA MAN!
Thanks Stephen, glad you enjoyed it despite knowing the information already! Yeah, that was sort of the inspiration for this - I see these points asked about a lot so could only assume that nothing is ever mentioned at the point of sale. And all the manuals sort of just assume you'd know what's "right" for you without explaining anything in much detail - not all that useful for people who don't know much about eDrums. Thanks again!
I hope I didn't mean to come across like, "yeah I know all this stuff already... maaaan!" I should clarify, I guess like yourself, figuring this stuff out was part of the fun and journey. Even though a lot of the time, it was actually not fun and quite frustrating until trial and error, boom, and there it is. What your great video does is rid someone a lot of that hassle of that trial and error. So excellent work!
@@steevidrums Nahh, I didn't take it that way! Absolutely, it can be frustrating trying to get these things right - I feel that if I can help remove some of that for other people, then I'm doing something worthwhile! Cheers!
Very knowlegeable, thanks!
Keep up the good work ❤
You've inspired me to start playing around with my module. Its just a td10 but it has alot of the features you addressed that I havent messed with.
Glad I could help! From what I've read and seen, the TD-10 is a very capable module, you should be able to coax plenty out of it! Thanks for watching, as always!
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing with us.
Thank you!
Thank you!!!! Sir!
Great help .....thank you
Awesome video. It's a lot to absorb and game changing. I've spent about 120 hours over the past year learning to play the drums on an expanded Alesis Nitro Mesh kit and the Melodics software. Recently I played on an acoustic kit and immediately was blown away on the feel and playability of it. So I've been thinking of purchasing one, but at the same time I really like the interactive learning with progressively tracking my improvement in all facits of playing. I'm currently debating on keeping the Nito kit and also getting an acoustic or upgrading the Nito. Personally the advantages of the electric kit for home use provides the most flexibility and versatility but price weighs heavily on my mind. There are so many hardly played accoutic kits of decent quality at considerably lower prices it's hard to resist. For now I keep playing, I'm still learning and improving and will keep watching excellent videos like this one. Thanks and looking forward to more from this subscription. 🤘😎🍻
well done mate!
Amazing content as always Luke. After watching I went straight to my ATV AD5 module and started tweaking. They were already set up pretty well but your advice gave me the inspiration to tweak the settings a bit more and now they’re even better!
Thanks John! Glad it inspired you to have another play around! I tend to sit down once every few months and have a look over the settings of my more finicky pads just to see what I can improve, usually ends up that little bit better!
I have the same brain check out my low budget covers with it
Hi New to pads,just got an Alesis strike pad and luckily found this before starting to edit.Will keep an eye out for your tips
Thanks and all best wishes to you
Bravo. I hope it encourages more e-drum players to fine tune their settings. For instance, many people complain that the ride bell has to be hit hard, with the body of the stick to make it sound. Not true if everything is set right in trigger settings. On my TD20 and TD30, a gentle tap is all Indeed, just like an acoustic. Same goes for X-stick complaints. I can comfortably cross-stick at the same hit level I use on an acoustic, but push a bit more and I get the rim shot. I encourage everyone to listen to The Man, and experiment. Well worth it.
This is really helpful, thank you for making this video! I have no idea about drums but have been tasked with tuning my church's e-drums, and I've never even played a regular drum kit, let alone an e-drum kit.
Wow, that's a tough deal! Glad to be of help.
I’d like to see the importance proper tension on the mesh heads addressed. I noticed that the e drum can produce a false sense of speed with the extra rebound you would get from the pads as opposed to acoustic heads
What I found is I developed the speed on the mesh heads. Then when I played acoustic I was able to transfer that speed to them. So in my experience its a positive not a negative.
@@johndef5075 ok that’s encouraging to hear. I’ve played acoustic for over 30 years and have been looking for this insight as I didn’t want to pick up any bad habits.
Jee bro, you are THE Edrum adjusting specialist worldwide!
Thanks Bob! I'm not sure if I could accept that as an official title, far too kind!
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I found out that my Roland TD 27 is very sensitive to voltage changes. So I simply bought a $35 UPS to clean up the power and I haven't had a problem since. I also have my e kit setup exactly in position with my acoustic kit. Which helps greatly for muscle memory.
Thanks mate
Great advice! I need to watch this a few more times until my head stops spinning. Top man. 👍
Thanks!
Excellent video!
Thank you!
I use the rack and many stands for my Yamaha dtx700ish Frankenstein kit. The setup not only helps spread out the pads, crosstalk is virtually nonexistent. I find myself looking for more things to mount on the empty rack spaces. So far 1 iPad, 1 iPhone, 1 DTX700 module and 1 DTX502 module. 🤣
Sounds like you've got a good setup going on there!
Im new to drumming myself , at least on a real e kit, ive been drumming on iPad for years, i find practicing on an e kit, while not at all a fancy one(a Yamaha dd65) is certainly an upgrade from an iPad, but I understand more and more that it may not be an ideal practice tool, especially since I use superior drummer 3 with it, with that I can just assign any stick technique to for example the snare, both sidestick and flams by the click of a button, then again I don’t see myself using an acoustic kit in the near future, I will not have the space for it and the neighbours wouldn’t like it I think so I guess it’s pros and cons to practicing on edrums, nice then that we have videos like these to guide us away from or clear up fails we may do on the ekit
Awesome video. i am a new eDrummer (1 week) but old acoustic drummer (30 years) and i think i have already gone down the wrong fork of the "gain vs. sensitivity" road so thanks for the rescue!!
Hope you are finding them as much fun as I did after playing acoustic.
Nice thank you. Subbed. I am trying to get my Roland kit sounding better as I mature and evolve as a drummer. I’m having a dynamic’s issue that I didn’t notice before since I didn’t really understand. Now that I do and I want those ghost notes to be nice and soft on my kit I noticed there all pretty much mid level sounds or gone totally. I’ve got a lot of playing in settings to do by the sound of it.
Thanks for the sub! You might have some luck with restoring your middle dynamics with the velocity curves.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I typed my comment on my phone. I missed a word which totally changed the context.
I meant when I hit a pad softly it triggers at a mid level sound or nothing. I think I have to play with sensitive and thresholds. I believe curve is set to linear at the moment ( I need to learn about those too )
I was definitely making the mistake when learning about using volume on the pads rather then the sensitivity and threshold settings.
I’m wondering if I should just save back up my kit. Restore the module to its factory settings restore my kit sounds then try to adjust.
Thoughts?
Ah, I see!
You don't really need to do a full factory reset. Do the backup anyway so that your module's current state is saved, then go to the first pad you want to tweak and swap the preset to another (any other) and then swap it back to the correct preset for that pad type. This will basically just reset the parameters for that pad. Then go through and try tweaking the different settings.
I would begin with the sensitivity, finding the right balance to make only your hardest hits trigger the maximum velocity. Once you've got that around right, then go to things like threshold (as low as you can get it where you're still getting softer notes but no vibrations are interfering/false triggering). Then when you're getting some response from your softest and hardest hits, try some different curves to try to balance the dynamics from quiet to loud for your playing style.
You might find that linear does work for you once the other settings are right, or you might need to tweak. The module manual should explain the response of the curves (though you may need to download the more detailed manuals from the Roland site).
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thank you. You are fantastic!!! I really appreciate you taking the time to detail that for me! I’ll start with my snare as that’s the one I really need to pick up those light notes :) then when I’m practicing and the tones are hitting right it will feel so much better!!!
Hey Luke, great video! What module are you using? I believe it’s a TD50, right? If so, are you using a one shot sample for the snare and toms? Thx mate!
Hey Marcelo! Thanks! Yeah, it's a TD-50 module. And yes, I'm using a combination of my own recorded samples layered with the internal sounds. The specific kit preset in this video is one I've been working on for a while, based on that massive modern rock production style!
The eDrum Workshop Ahh, makes sense. Man, it sounds awesome! I’m gonna give it a try myself. Keep these great videos coming! I own a TD50 so any video TD50 related, I’ll watch for sure! Cheers mate!
@@marcelodonnici9429 Thanks! It's been delayed a bit longer than expected but I've got a "snares off" sound tutorial lined up soon for the TD-50, that'll be the next one!
Think to get Yamaha DTX6K2-X to play in apartments to practice, also live… maybe reccommend better idea to relize idea?
My kit doesn’t have sensitivity tuning for each pad
And some of the kit variation snares pop easier on some of them
Can you do a video on how to "frankstein" a 3-piece e drum kit?(kick snare hat) . my room isnt big enough to have a full e-kit. Thanks!
What sort of thing might you need help with for that? I imagine for the most part you could just pick your pads, pick your module, check the compatibility and go for it! Is there something specific that you would like to know? Thanks for watching!
Killer YT channel
Nice.. But im gonna watch this again when im not so high'! Woah'!. Lol
Haha yeah, maybe a clear mind would be a good idea for a video like this!
I have this problem sometimes to.😂😂😂😂
Facts hahaha
A fees of my Vdrum are sounding off…especially regards to compression and dynamics. Kit is over 12yrs old..do the foam cones go bad over time and possibly affecting this?
I have to hit snare really hard to get proper sound..making fast singles sound totally off from each stroke. And one of my tom trigger no matter which mesh pad I have it plugged into has a sweet spot so small that most hits sound like they’re close to the rim edge despite being dead center. Maybe it’s time for some replacements..unless there’s some setting tweaks or fixes anyone might be able to point me to.
You might want to talk about how a new edrummer needs to get used to the unnatural sound of the interplay between the hi hat foot pedal and the hats. There is a lack of a continuous swell when playing up tempo 16th notes on a hi hat while slowly lifting your foot off of the hi hat pedal. Also the fact that an ehat when struck with your foot down hard and quickly released will NOT result in a hi hat open sound. You must temove your foot BEFORE you strike an e hat in order to get a sound.
A trick I’ve used for years is to have heavier sticks for acoustic kit (ProMark 585 Forward) and lighter sticks for the electronic kit (ProMark 747). It’s hard-won experience! BTW, Luke…great channel!
I use nylon tips on the electric after noticing wood tips were leaving marks on my Roland cymbals.
Why do lighter sticks help for e-kits ?
@@djabthrash With an acoustic kit, you are dealing with a physical object; you have to pull the sound you want from the kit. If I try to play my acoustic kits with a 747, I feel like I have to “sledgehammer” each stroke to get the drum to “speak” as I want it to. A lesson I learned over decades of playing sessions: hit the drum hard and the cymbals gently. But that physical, mechanical interaction is not required with an electronic kit: the best sound you are going to get is determined by the sample. Once you have reached the threshold at which the loudest part of a multi sample has sounded, you are not going to affect the sound in any way by hitting the pad harder. So…use the stick that gets you past that threshold with the least effort…ie…a lighter stick. Just my experience. Your experience may differ.
@@mdmorris6193 My experience differs in that i want my e-kit to be my practice kit so that it helps me sound as good as possible when i happen to play on an actual acoustic kit (which is the end goal for me). Because of that, i set up the triggers' threshold and (shell vs cymbal) mix in a such a way that it forces me to be gentle on the cymbals (putting them a bit too high in volume in my in ears) and to be really heavy-hitting on the shells. I also use similar sticks if not heavier sticks when i practice on the e-kit vs when i play on an acoustic kit, so that it almost feels "easy" to play on an acoustic kit.
@@djabthrash That is indeed a valid concept. The only thing that might bring you undone is the “feel” of both kits. Acoustic drums and cymbals are capable of a far greater dynamic range than electronic drums. By setting your e-kit so you have to pound the drums, are you robbing yourself of the subtlety to play feather-light ghost notes?
What Daw are you using?ive got Abelton live 10. I have no idea how to install SD3 into Igor what to do after or how to send a loop. Do you have any idea?
I use Reaper myself. I haven't used Ableton in a very long time, since about version 3 or 4, and I never used it for VSTs, only for triggering backing tracks. So, unfortunately I can't really help there :(
Apparently not
@@TheeDrumWorkshop mayb i nred to go there and you can help me do you have
a vid on this subject?
@@gregwilliams2764 I don't have any videos on the topic of DAWs as I'm definitely not as knowledgeable with them as I am with electronic drums themselves. If you search UA-cam for bid111, he has a load of Ableton and eDrum content on his channel! I just reviewed his book too which covers Ableton a lot, though I'm not sure if he covers VSTs like Superior Drummer. But it could help you get an idea of what to look for!
I've been playing acoustic for about 18 years and just bought a td27kv, i'm having a hard time playing along to songs now, i don't know if it's a hearing/volume issue with the pa amp or is it something that takes time to adjust to the feeling of the electronic drums itself?
Ahh, that's a shame to hear! I think it can take different people a varying amount of adjusting and there is a chance it could be to do with the amp situation. I didn't really feel that different when I started on eDrums (other than the lack of air movement) but I find that playing with an amp only really helps give the feeling of volume on stage and I tend to stick with headphones at home. The sound quality is usually better with cans or in-ears and I find it gives a more "immediate" response that allows me to connect with it a bit better. Have you only been using a PA/amp or have you tried headphones?
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I just tried using head phones yesterday and it was much easier, but i do notice i have to get used to the mesh and rubber pads rebound cause it feels like i have to play slower to songs, it's hard to explain but i do think i'm improving, and it's a great not just for practice but as whole new tool/instrument for my acoustic kit as well
Ah, sounds like you're beginning to adjust there. The playing surface difference could definitely be part of it too. I reckon you'll have it down in no time.
I like your videos very much. The only criticism is I feel you use your video zoom too much, which can be distracting from your content. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Darren! Ahh, sorry if it's distracting! Been trying to keep people from being bored of a static camera, will keep working on it until I get the balance right!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I happen to think his editing is far better than most. Distracting or not, he does keep you engaged which is good for all. Just my 2 cents/pence!
I've been playing with trigger and dynamic settings for years...unfamiliar with this whole digital animal. I've played nothing but acoustic sets since 1988...and my first set has been a love/hate process over triggers amd dynamics. Replacing my heads and trigger setup was a massive upgrade that I had to dive onto those parameters hard. You explained alot that I can work with...I'm a drummer...not sound tech. I just want to play. But this venture requires alot of in depth knowledge that just isn't out there. For example...I've set my kit up five different ways so far...amd want to buy another just Like it amd Frankenstein them together with no midi I/O...just the head units...but I'm already cramped because of rack limitations. Where can you go to find tubing...chrome...either curved of straight in custom lengths to build a suitable rack with the hardware you already have?
Hey Paul. You’ve probably figured this out by now, but go to your local drum store and invest in some Gibraltar rack stuff. Expensive, but worth it.
Hey Paul! Yes, there are a lot of things to learn. I'm glad my channel could be of some help along the way!
Regarding racks, as MD Morris has said, Gibraltar are a good company to start with. I do actually have a video all about customizing and/or expanding racks, if you haven't already seen it -
ua-cam.com/video/IfC-SM2AfjA/v-deo.html
So the pads I naturally hit harder should have a “ half pipe curve and the ones I’m softer with should be more of a “ hill curve right ?
Yeah! If you're looking to have a similar dynamic response for each pad while hitting them differently, using those curves will help balance them out.
Daw problems with Toontrack software. Can’t get SD3 into Abelton. What’s your Daw?
Hi Greg! I explained in a previous reply that I don't use Ableton these days and I run Reaper as my DAW. I don't really have in-depth SD3 knowledge so can't really help there, unfortunately!
Check out mike Luke’s videos on sd3 they are the best
Spend on headphones.. For me over ear cans..and adjust your sound to match. I also have in ears. Settings sound different.
one thing that drives me crazy watching many edrum vids is the lack of balance between the drums, cymbals etc,. Its super distracting for me when hearing a song being played but the cymbals are way too hot/loud compared to the drums. Or the drums and backing track are way out of volume sync....
Ahh yeah, I get that! One of my favourite things about eDrums is being able to bring the cymbals in line with the levels you hear on a record instead of drowning in overwhelming wash 😅
@@TheeDrumWorkshop drives me away from a vid in seconds when it's super out is balance.
Nice double strokes.
Thank you!
x-talk? velocity curves? My point being that it took me a long time to realize I should avoid using them if possible and I think others might benefit from hearing that. e.g. there are more than enough YT videos that explain velocity curves to the same or lesser extent that every manufacturer manual does, but never a single recommendation that one might consider using a specified velocity curve with a specified trigger for a specified drum piece.
A stick hitting an acoustic drum at a certain velocity will produce the same sound regardless of who is hitting it. If a stick hits an edrum at that same velocity why not just produce the same sound? Days before delivery of my first drum kit (electric) it worries me that it needs to be so complicated. What is it I am missing (other than intelligence that is 😂)?
No it won't...
LIKE! 🎶🎧🦋
Good video but the zooming in and out is annoying
Why is the video constantly zooming in and then out, in and then out...🥺
Luke, I am your watcher
I hope that's a good thing!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I hoped the star wars follow up was clear, my drunk humour is bad i guess.
Ahh, I totally didn't clock it!
god damn i need to stop drinking, I'm way to cringe then drunk.
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It's still unfathomable to still see how these manufacturers of edrums still can't program the edrum properly straight from the get go? Just sheer bloody LazyTown! Even on the $4k gear onwards. Pathetic...