Great video Justin. We have sold the TD-17KVX with 14" snares we have converted and it does make the kit so much cooler. One thing I would point out is that the ATV AD-H14 hi hats do not 100% work with the TD-17 module. The main issue is the closed chick sound is very hard to get unless you really mash on your hi hat pedal. They work fine with TD-30 and TD-50.
So I recorded myself playing this kit, and totally forgot to include it during editing 😂😂 Don't worry, you'll see it in action during one of the Pearl Mimic videos
Justin- I can't tell you how much you are educating me to purchase my first set of eDrums. I'm a retired engineer who is looking to get back into drumming after 45 years of not playing. Thank you for the time and effort that you put into the videos and this site.
I just want to say thanks for putting out all these Roland TD17 in depth videos. They are very helpful in that i bought a td17 module a couple of weeks ago. A major upgrade from my Alesis Command kit. I built a DYI conversion from a junior acoustic kit. Now I'm going to upgrade the hi hat and ride cymbal. Thanks for the td17 tutorials.
"You COULD go up to the VH-13? That'll be like $800".... ........ BAHHHAHAHAHAHA Anyone that invests $800 for a HiHat on THIS KIT needs a damn financial advisor
I broke my kd10, I tried dialing it in but no matter what, it triggered inconsistently. So, I replaced it with a kd120 and wow, it's so much better. I've also converted my 13 inch snare and added an Alesis Strike Multipad. I used the pdx 12 for a floor tom and used the extra 8" to the left of my hihat. This channel has helped me so much with edrums, thanks for the great content.
Don't forget that there is a free version of Steven Slate Drums 5, which has only 1 kit, but otherwise has all the tuning features of the full version.
I love the Drum-tec demos with their kits. That sounds so much better than the stock kits (I own a TD-17KV). If you want to upgrade the sounds cheaper, that may be a way to go.
I just bought a TD-17KV and my long term plan is close to this. Adding a CY-15R will be the first step though. How sets over $1000 don't come with a 3 zone ride is beyond me. I almost bought the Simmons DS1200 extended kit for $1199, but everyone complained about the hotspots.
Thank you for this video! It inspired me to do just about the same with my 17KVX. 2 PDX-100's, a CY-15R and an absolutely gorgeous hand hammered 13' Drum Tec Diabolo snare and I just love it! Expensive, bit worth every penny!
I'm using a TD25KV. Don't really have space for large pads, barely could fit a Drum-Tec 14" pro snare in my setup. BUT, the biggest ugprade yet was SD3. That changed my life. For me personally, it is the single best upgrade I will probobly ever do for an edrum.
I screwed a tom mount to my 13" A2E conversion snare and put it on the same snare arm that came with the kit. I love it; easy to position and makes getting my double bass and hihat pedals set up easier.
after 1 hour on the kit my ears are mushed to know what's what and what I was looking for in the first place! I agree Justin that 1, the toms should be 10" and 2,a bigger ride would be nice but it down to a price in a box and Roland have come up with a fair deal I bit like most things more money you throw at it the better it becomes
For starting e drummers, your channel is so informative with so many tricks and tips. I think your the best Justin, excellent way of explaining things very clearly. Always have some time to help other people, I really respect and appreciate that my dear friend 😎👍👊✌️
i upgraded my td-17kvx with an mds-9cs rack and a kd-120 kick pad and it just feels much better. i plan on upgrading the toms to pdx-100 becuz i don’t like the plastic rims on the pdx-8, as well as getting a bigger ride.
hi! I also want to upgrade the kd-10, do you think it's worth buying the KD-120? Is it really much better? KD-10 is ok but due to its complete lack of rebound it can't play double bass on it as fast as on a real kick drum (which is a bummer). So i was wondering if KD-120 would be better... unfortunately where I live there is nowhere to try it.
Hey Justin, You have always put out an honest and sincere presence and it is so much better than the overselling that most people do; you keep it real. I really enjoy your videos. I would like to ask something... I have a Roland TD17KVSX and you made it seem as though you can just plug in another cymbal. I would like to add one, so can you explain just how &/or where you plugged in the extra cymbal? thanks & keep up the great work!!! mark
Buying a laptop and drum software was my favorite upgrade so far. Next is toms and cymbals. I actually really like the kd10. I put the screws out and it sunk in to my carpet over the last five months and doesn't move at all. I even have a 10 inch mesh pintech kick drum I could use instead but don't.
PCY135 YAMAHA are cheap but solid and reliable 13" cymbals ... It works out of the box as a 2 zone crash with an Roland module ... Very easy to disconnect the bell sensor if it bothers you to have the bell triggering the edge zone ... It s also possible to convert it to a 3 zone Roland compatible ride ... it s a bit more work but still doable ... Same hack works for PCY155 , 15" for 30 more bucks ...
Hey Stephane, thanks for the info. I'm looking into buying the TD-17KV and complement it with a PCY-155 as ride and a PCY-135 as a hihat in combination with drum-tec's universal hihat trigger (to use with a regular hihat stand). What do you think about that hihat combo, will it work well with the TD-17 module? If so, it's 250€ cheaper than the TD-17KVX so it will allow me to buy some extra stuff. What do you think? Good idea or go for the TD-17KVX?
@@wouterengel1345 I never used a TD17 , but it should work . I use a converted PCY135 with a td9 , it works really well , actually , the bell triggering is much better than with a cy13r . The cymbal registers lower bell hits , so you dont have to bash the bell with the shaft so hard ... If you go for second hand PCY155 , be sure to have the rotation stopper with it .... Here s the link to see pics of the 3 zone mod : www.vdrums.com/forum/advanced/diy/51153-pcy135-cymbal-mod-for-td-20/page6 ... For the DRUMTEC controller , i dont know ... It should be the same the same that the GO-edrum one , Justin said the GO-edrum is OK ... You could also use the PCY13 with the FD9 pedal included in the kit ... Imo , it s not so important to have a mooving Hihat .
I use EZ Drummer 2 with my TD-17KVX, but I can't find a kick drum that I like. They all sound very thin. I also have the Country pack and there aren't any great kicks there either. One tip: I was having trouble playing hi hat barks and was finding the VH-10 would not track quick openings. I finally tried cranking up the spring tension on my hi hat pedal and suddenly it worked perfectly.
Justin, you didn't specifically mention whether the 15" ride cymbal plays better with the bell. I know you were troubled by how hard it was to strike the bell on the 13" ride, does that get any better on the 15"? Thanks, great videos and great information!
Great video Justin. It is a really good timing this video is uploaded. I just had a chance to play the td17 kvx in person and the td25 kv. Boy these 2 kits are too small. I was so used to the size of the td20. But these 2 kits are much lighter than the td 20 which we have to carry at the end of sunday service to clear off the stage. I did think of getting td11 kvx or the td17kvx and thinking of upgrading the small size pads to the sizes of the td20 pads but i kept on holding my thoughts for a while just in case if i upgraded it to the wrong pads and it wont work and just a waste of money. Great thing is that now i have decided to get the 17kvx instead of 11kvx. Your info saves me a ton of researching. Great stuff man.
Thank you! One question, how Can I fix the hi-hat problem on Lotgic X? All other pads working but only hi hat and one cymbal the sofyware does not recognizee.
Thank you for all these reviews. I am currently looking into buying the 17kvx kit very soon, and your videos have been so helpful - really appreciate it! I have a quick question though, is it possible to reverse the left and right bars of the frame? To my understanding the left bar is longer as it is meant to rack the td17 module, but I was hoping I could use that extra length to create a two floor tom setup. Do you think this would be possible? Thank you
yes it's possible. just loosen the screws and remove each pole and switch them. I have the kvx and honestly the rack is one of my least favorite things about it. the tiny gap for the bass drum makes it so you really don't have much freedom to position it anywhere you want it. I also find that the mount for the module makes it really hard to get it anywhere near you given the shape of the rack (esp if you have a double bass pedal). And the wire snake really doesn't give you the ability to relocate it. Those are my biggest gripes with the kit. I still very much enjoy it and think it's probably best bang for your buck edrum kit you can get right now. just need to spend some additional time/money/effort to switch a couple things out and make it so it works for me.
Hi Justin and thanks for the video. Two questions please why can't I use the same crash cymbal sample on both the right crash and left aux pad and how do you use the cymbal choke function? Thank you, Dave
Justin, what do you think is the best choice for those who want to save money and want to have an electronic drum to record and study using VST as the Superior Drummer? TD17, TD25 or other older ones do the job? Greetings from Brazil
Is this rack the “ compact” rack for the kvx? Did you add any pieces to it to make longer? I want to add another PDX12 as a 4th Tom but I hearing from people that it won’t fit and the rack will be too tight.
Hello Justin, could you please be so kind to provide the exact name if the snare and toms you used to upgrade. I am thinking of upgrading mine in a similar way. Thank you in advance. Michael
I’ve been looking for an answer to this very simply question but I have yet to find someone explaining how to solve this issue: KV2 (the combo I have) has a snake cable which includes both hi-hat inputs (hi-hat and hi-hat control); VH-10 REQUIERES 2 stereo cables to work properly, but the snake cable has a MONO hi-hat control cable. Someone told me I could just “upgrade my hi-hat” instead of returning my kit and getting a KVX (Amazon seller conned me - at least the “price” was of a KV2 - but he announced it as a KVX2… (MOTHERF…) Obviously, things will never work as intended when you’re missing half the “computing information” for the hi-hat to work properly. How does one “upgrade” a KV2 to a KVX2? Do I need to purchase a snake cable that is specific to the KVX2…? Cause obviously the drum module is the same so there shouldn’t be any issues there (TD-17). I am only posting this rant here in hope that someone KNOWS how to actually connect this VH-10 to a TD-17 from a KV2 combo (cause I’m guessing the snake cable that comes with the KVX models DOES indeed have two stereo cables for the hi-hat and hi-hat control). I’ve tried many things, and I’m about to spend yet another freaking hundo on a snake cable that I HOPE will have stereo control hi-hats. If you know I’m on the wrong path, I’d appreciate your advice before I pull the wallet-trigger once again to account for the stupidity of my Amazon seller (probably not stupid, just intentional scammer). Damit Roland seriously💀
Been working on doing a kit build similar to what you've set up in this video but using the TD-17KV as the starting point. Just wondering if you've had a chance to check out Jobeky's 3 spoke or 4 spoke design triggers on snare drums and if so what were your opinions of those triggers? Want to make a conversion snare but the R Drums triggers are definitely out of my budget.
nice justin.. id love to switch those toms out like you did... but yeah budget. funny enough im going smaller to a 8 pdx for first tom.. for now. i also use a old tama rack as i dont like the look of this rack. far as sound of kit.. my presonus mixer i now use the compression and reverb from that (and eq but i really so far have kept it flat as is) but i feel this has really brought the sound out of the kit for me a little more... my next upgrade will prob be dm2 just to mix in some more pads etc. im sure most would hate using more than one module but i dont mind and the flexibility of the mixer allows me to pan them or even add certain effects to one module not the other or change the kit one one module for percussion or alt snare pads while leaving the base kit alone.
I have the TD-17 and want to upgrade to a floating Hi Hat and Snare stands, I have looked on Zzounds, Reverb and Roland for these items but still can't find the individual product #'s? I just want to make sure everything plugs into my midi and WORKS! Any suggestions as to where to find these stands, incl model #'s please. Thanks
Thanks for the video sir! I've a question, will a VH-12 work with the TD-17 Module? I know there is no preset in the settings for a VH-12 ( only VH-10 and VH-11) and Roland claims it doesn't support VH-12 for the TD-17 Module, (but its doesn't claim to support the GoEdrum controller either, lol, even though it will for the most part.) Just wondering if you have actually tried using a VH-12 with a TD-17.
Hey Justin…. Thanks for all the great videos. Following your lead I upgraded my TD-17 KVX by purchasing 2 mint dual zone PD -105 pads on eBay. One of them is only triggering in the very center. Could it just be a cone or would it be the piezo? Should I replace both and where do I buy them? Any advice would be great! Thanks so much!
I had a bad experience with my 2box. It came faulty and since it shipped from Europe to US, returning it proved impossible unless I wanted to pay international shipping and more customs fees. So I'm looking for a more tried and true option to replace the 2box module. Was thinking of going Td-17 with SSD5. I know I won't have issues with either. And they'll work great with my converted drums. Just be careful people, if you get the drumit 3, make sure it's not an original release. It has a bad sd card that has to be replaced. And replacing it can break your screen. Doesn't always happen but it did in my case, and it was installed by a professional. Or just go td17 from the beginning like I should have done.
Wow thanks for the heads-up, I've been keeping an eye open for the 5 or 3. Thing I don't care for on the TD-17, it doesn't support Position Sensing on pads. Plus like Justin mentioned in his other video, the cable snake and limited input connections. Although not bad considering.
Don't think the drumit3 supports positional sensing. Dunno about DI5. Positional sensing is kind of a joke anyway. It barely works and is so subtle that I can't really hear it. So, definitely not paying hundreds more for that feature. And with the faulty DI3; Apparently the problem was/is common. Sooo many people had this issue. To me it's a $900 paper weight. Not worth it.
Would be interesting to know what alternatives there would be once you've spent a billion dollars on all the upgraded parts. ATV/Mimic, Pearl/Mimic, Anything Else/Mimic ?
Thanks for the video. I got my TD-17 last summer. I bought another PDX-12 to be my floor tom. I sold the extra tom. I had an old TD-4Sx and used the snare arm from that for the floor tom. That converted snare though looks awesome! I got the CY15/R though the difference in size didn't seem that big of a deal AND the bell has the problem so many have reported. I have the Slate Drums, but haven't tried it with the TD-17. I'd take a Pearl Mimic if someone gave it to me, but too pricey for the bad playing I do. Slate Drums should be enough if I want to use something other than the TD-17 module. Can someone please tell me where to find preset packs or sample packs I can upload to the TD-17. I want the PDX-100 for the rack toms mainly because of the way they look. I do ok on the the toms though on occasion I hit the white plastic but not enough to make me spend the money. I do not feel compelled to upgrade the kick as the KD-10 feels good to me. I don't have a sway problem with it.
I absolutely love what you've done! I almost didn't want to get this kit because of the snare being so close to the drumset. Can you buy those accoustic snares with triggers in them already? And are they still very loud? Lol
You could always buy a snare stand and put the snare on that. For that matter, you could buy stands for the whole kit and freely position all the pads wherever you want.
Hi Justin, love the channel... Have found all vids very helpful trying to pick a kit.... I'm thinking I want to go the dtx8 mesh..what are your thoughts on a second kick pad rather than upgrading to the kp100 and using a double kick? Also in your opinion would you upgrade a 17kvx or get the dtx8? Cheers from Australia.
when you take out the cable for the bowed edge of the ride can you still use the bell and the ride but not be able to crash with it ? or can you only use the bell at that point ? im trying to upgrade ekits and am considering this one but I want to add a cymbal to it
Hey Justin I figured out a work-around for the KD10 movement issue, which works for me. I have my TD17 setup on some ply and padding for noise reduction. So I drilled two holes into the ply board and then screwed the spurs into it. Problem solved...even when using double kicks. Cheers Paul.
Is it possible to use the Roland RT-30HR with Remo silent stroke on an acoustic snare instead of inside trigger system like shown in the video. I have to swap drum head for some light brush-play sessions. Thanks.
Its possible but I would recommend a thicker mesh head for a snare. The Silent strokes are 1 ply and tend to stretch more which can affect triggering especially on the RT30HR which is designed and tested with the 2 play Roland heads.
Hey Justin,a bit late here,but just purchased a TD-17module,and wonder if you know if it’s possible to transfer sounds/kits from an older module(TD-8),to the TD-17?.I understand that most folk would just buy/download a sample pack,but I love some of those sounds on that older module!!.Great vids your producing btw.Thanks.
I've done the same with my ride cymbal. Replaced it and trying to usw the old one as a China. Can someone tell me where i need to plug it in? The Port 'crash 2 input' is already used for the normal 2nd crash that came with the kit. So i got 2x crashes, 1x ride and the old ride as China
Alesis strike cymbals, in my experience, are more expensive than Roland or ATV. A 14" crash is like $350 new. You also didn't mention some 'real feel' cymbal options like Field. They are still fairly budget, or at least on-par with ATV and Roland prices, and feel vert good. Throw on a cymbal mute and/or rubber tips on drum stick and they are just as quiet as rubber cymbals.
I made a detailed tutorial that goes over everything for PC and mac in the second half of this video: ua-cam.com/video/7V0rcKjJNJY/v-deo.html&ab_channel=65Drums
Hey Justin great video I am getting upgraded toms when I order mine in couple weeks they said they keep pdx8 pads and sell in store as long as they come in box do u know if each pad comes in its own box ?please reply thanks alot.
Justin, I have the TD25 And it comes with the smaller bass drum. I’m wondering why people upgrade to the larger size bass drum. Does it make a difference in playing or sound? Since I’m triggering most of the time using EZdrummer.
Going to update the toms and snare on this set. Want to try combining the new toms with combination stands so I can use both the cymbals and toms on the same mount, therefore eliminating the rack to create a better look. Anyone have advice on this?
Hi bro thanks for the video. I’ve been playing drums for a long time but just about to purchase my first electric kit - when you talk about changing the pads or cymbals etc does this actually change the sound? Is the sound not dependant on the module and settings? Does different size pads change the sound?
Great vidio Justin. I follow you for a couple years and I love what you are doing here. Quick question. Im thinking about buying ATV exs 5 and maybe roland td17 module or module from ATV. I am not sure. What would you do?
TD17 has one additional input. You can make that extra input whatever you want. Cymbal, Tom, Percussion. You will need a cable and go into each kit and set the sound for this additional pad. There is not cable included as part of the cable snake. Hope that helps. Cheers.
i think the idea is to give some input on potential upgrade ideas, but yea he basically just spent 1600$ to convert it into a td27 (or w/e the next step up is these days). it's funny to look at the start and end, because the only pads remaining are the crash cymbals...
Great video Justin. We have sold the TD-17KVX with 14" snares we have converted and it does make the kit so much cooler. One thing I would point out is that the ATV AD-H14 hi hats do not 100% work with the TD-17 module. The main issue is the closed chick sound is very hard to get unless you really mash on your hi hat pedal. They work fine with TD-30 and TD-50.
is there a better rack out there - e.g., being able to place a larger bass drum?
fwb yes, there’s loads
I think the VH-11 and Vh-13 are both incompatible with the TD-17 as well.
So I recorded myself playing this kit, and totally forgot to include it during editing 😂😂 Don't worry, you'll see it in action during one of the Pearl Mimic videos
65 Drums these Roland drum names are turning into Ibanez names lol
Justin- I can't tell you how much you are educating me to purchase my first set of eDrums. I'm a retired engineer who is looking to get back into drumming after 45 years of not playing. Thank you for the time and effort that you put into the videos and this site.
Awesome upgrades. Your TD-17 Looks Great. Lots of Info, Thanks Justin!
I was surprised how much better if felt after switching a few pads. Glad you liked the video!
I just want to say thanks for putting out all these Roland TD17 in depth videos. They are very helpful in that i bought a td17 module a couple of weeks ago. A major upgrade from my Alesis Command kit. I built a DYI conversion from a junior acoustic kit. Now I'm going to upgrade the hi hat and ride cymbal. Thanks for the td17 tutorials.
I love you content bro. You are 90% responsible for my successful journey from acoustic to E-drums. Thank you
"You COULD go up to the VH-13? That'll be like $800".... ........ BAHHHAHAHAHAHA Anyone that invests $800 for a HiHat on THIS KIT needs a damn financial advisor
That's why I said not to haha!
If i am not mistaken the td17 module only supports up to vh-11
@@kevin5k2008 yes. Only vh-10 and vh-11
nailed it
I broke my kd10, I tried dialing it in but no matter what, it triggered inconsistently. So, I replaced it with a kd120 and wow, it's so much better. I've also converted my 13 inch snare and added an Alesis Strike Multipad. I used the pdx 12 for a floor tom and used the extra 8" to the left of my hihat. This channel has helped me so much with edrums, thanks for the great content.
Don't forget that there is a free version of Steven Slate Drums 5, which has only 1 kit, but otherwise has all the tuning features of the full version.
Thank you so much
Regarding the KD-10 swaying, I have Velcro on the bottom of my kick pedal plates and I do not notice any swaying.
I recently bought a couple of new Yamaha crashes to use with my Roland modules due to price, and they work great!
I love the Drum-tec demos with their kits. That sounds so much better than the stock kits (I own a TD-17KV). If you want to upgrade the sounds cheaper, that may be a way to go.
I just bought a TD-17KV and my long term plan is close to this. Adding a CY-15R will be the first step though. How sets over $1000 don't come with a 3 zone ride is beyond me. I almost bought the Simmons DS1200 extended kit for $1199, but everyone complained about the hotspots.
The cy-13r is a 3 zone cymbal.
Thank you for this video! It inspired me to do just about the same with my 17KVX. 2 PDX-100's, a CY-15R and an absolutely gorgeous hand hammered 13' Drum Tec Diabolo snare and I just love it! Expensive, bit worth every penny!
Where did you get the diabolo drum I live in the us and how much
@@lgvillamirez582 www.drum-tec.com/drum-tec-diabolo-mesh-head-pad-13-x-5-hand-hammered-design they do ship to the US, but it will cost extra.
How did the pdx-100 work as Toms? I hear they will have hot spots
I'm using a TD25KV. Don't really have space for large pads, barely could fit a Drum-Tec 14" pro snare in my setup. BUT, the biggest ugprade yet was SD3. That changed my life. For me personally, it is the single best upgrade I will probobly ever do for an edrum.
i bought 2 kits a TD-11K and a TD-11KV used from my local drum pusher man lol ... modified the stands and BOOM ..big kit for half the price !!
I screwed a tom mount to my 13" A2E conversion snare and put it on the same snare arm that came with the kit. I love it; easy to position and makes getting my double bass and hihat pedals set up easier.
after 1 hour on the kit my ears are mushed to know what's what and what I was looking for in the first place! I agree Justin that 1, the toms should be 10" and 2,a bigger ride would be nice but it down to a price in a box and Roland have come up with a fair deal I bit like most things more money you throw at it the better it becomes
Dude I was at work and saw this vid come up and got so hype lol
For starting e drummers, your channel is so informative with so many tricks and tips. I think your the best Justin, excellent way of explaining things very clearly. Always have some time to help other people, I really respect and appreciate that my dear friend 😎👍👊✌️
nice vid idea, i bought this kit about half a year ago. Really good for beginners like myself
i upgraded my td-17kvx with an mds-9cs rack and a kd-120 kick pad and it just feels much better. i plan on upgrading the toms to pdx-100 becuz i don’t like the plastic rims on the pdx-8, as well as getting a bigger ride.
hi! I also want to upgrade the kd-10, do you think it's worth buying the KD-120? Is it really much better? KD-10 is ok but due to its complete lack of rebound it can't play double bass on it as fast as on a real kick drum (which is a bummer). So i was wondering if KD-120 would be better... unfortunately where I live there is nowhere to try it.
Hey Justin, You have always put out an honest and sincere presence and it is so much better than the overselling that most people do; you keep it real. I really enjoy your videos. I would like to ask something... I have a Roland TD17KVSX and you made it seem as though you can just plug in another cymbal. I would like to add one, so can you explain just how &/or where you plugged in the extra cymbal?
thanks & keep up the great work!!!
mark
Plug it into the aux jack
Awesome kit. Your reviews have helped me make the decision to buy this kit. Made a cover of Bat Country with ease!!
I have a TD15KVX and made all of these upgrades. Next stop will probably be a TD25 or TD50 upgrade kit.
Hold on to that Mimic for as long as you need. A tutorial would help me in the biggest way.
Damn got me excited thinking you got a Mimic! So the question remains... WHAT module will Justin choose to replace his TD30?
Love to see the same video for the VAD506. There are three aux's available, six if there is some way to use the spare connections on the cable snake.
Buying a laptop and drum software was my favorite upgrade so far. Next is toms and cymbals. I actually really like the kd10. I put the screws out and it sunk in to my carpet over the last five months and doesn't move at all. I even have a 10 inch mesh pintech kick drum I could use instead but don't.
Personally I would've used a discarded tom as an extra one instead.
But thats just me :)
PCY135 YAMAHA are cheap but solid and reliable 13" cymbals
... It works out of the box as a 2 zone crash with an Roland module ... Very easy to disconnect the bell sensor if it bothers you to have the bell triggering the edge zone ... It s also possible to convert it to a 3 zone Roland compatible ride ... it s a bit more work but still doable ... Same hack works for PCY155 , 15" for 30 more bucks ...
Hey Stephane, thanks for the info. I'm looking into buying the TD-17KV and complement it with a PCY-155 as ride and a PCY-135 as a hihat in combination with drum-tec's universal hihat trigger (to use with a regular hihat stand). What do you think about that hihat combo, will it work well with the TD-17 module? If so, it's 250€ cheaper than the TD-17KVX so it will allow me to buy some extra stuff. What do you think? Good idea or go for the TD-17KVX?
@@wouterengel1345 I never used a TD17 , but it should work . I use a converted PCY135 with a td9 , it works really well , actually , the bell triggering is much better than with a cy13r . The cymbal registers lower bell hits , so you dont have to bash the bell with the shaft so hard ... If you go for second hand PCY155 , be sure to have the rotation stopper with it .... Here s the link to see pics of the 3 zone mod : www.vdrums.com/forum/advanced/diy/51153-pcy135-cymbal-mod-for-td-20/page6 ... For the DRUMTEC controller , i dont know ... It should be the same the same that the GO-edrum one , Justin said the GO-edrum is OK ... You could also use the PCY13 with the FD9 pedal included in the kit ... Imo , it s not so important to have a mooving Hihat .
Good stuff man, you seem like a nice dude! Very well explained
I use EZ Drummer 2 with my TD-17KVX, but I can't find a kick drum that I like. They all sound very thin. I also have the Country pack and there aren't any great kicks there either.
One tip: I was having trouble playing hi hat barks and was finding the VH-10 would not track quick openings. I finally tried cranking up the spring tension on my hi hat pedal and suddenly it worked perfectly.
Justin, you didn't specifically mention whether the 15" ride cymbal plays better with the bell. I know you were troubled by how hard it was to strike the bell on the 13" ride, does that get any better on the 15"? Thanks, great videos and great information!
Great video Justin. It is a really good timing this video is uploaded. I just had a chance to play the td17 kvx in person and the td25 kv. Boy these 2 kits are too small. I was so used to the size of the td20. But these 2 kits are much lighter than the td 20 which we have to carry at the end of sunday service to clear off the stage. I did think of getting td11 kvx or the td17kvx and thinking of upgrading the small size pads to the sizes of the td20 pads but i kept on holding my thoughts for a while just in case if i upgraded it to the wrong pads and it wont work and just a waste of money. Great thing is that now i have decided to get the 17kvx instead of 11kvx. Your info saves me a ton of researching. Great stuff man.
Thank you! One question, how Can I fix the hi-hat problem on Lotgic X? All other pads working but only hi hat and one cymbal the sofyware does not recognizee.
Thank you for all these reviews. I am currently looking into buying the 17kvx kit very soon, and your videos have been so helpful - really appreciate it!
I have a quick question though, is it possible to reverse the left and right bars of the frame? To my understanding the left bar is longer as it is meant to rack the td17 module, but I was hoping I could use that extra length to create a two floor tom setup. Do you think this would be possible? Thank you
yes it's possible. just loosen the screws and remove each pole and switch them. I have the kvx and honestly the rack is one of my least favorite things about it. the tiny gap for the bass drum makes it so you really don't have much freedom to position it anywhere you want it. I also find that the mount for the module makes it really hard to get it anywhere near you given the shape of the rack (esp if you have a double bass pedal). And the wire snake really doesn't give you the ability to relocate it. Those are my biggest gripes with the kit. I still very much enjoy it and think it's probably best bang for your buck edrum kit you can get right now. just need to spend some additional time/money/effort to switch a couple things out and make it so it works for me.
Very kewl upgrade ,it's good to think outside the box!
Well I just ordered this kit. I think it will take time to see.
You could use the snare holder pipe to replace the small pipe to get more space for the kick drum
Can you show how the extra cymbal was connected to the module? Pls
Mine sways side to side, not back and forth. Not sure if that's what you meant, but it has no problem with sliding forward. Great content as always!
Hi Justin and thanks for the video. Two questions please why can't I use the same crash cymbal sample on both the right crash and left aux pad and how do you use the cymbal choke function? Thank you, Dave
Justin, what do you think is the best choice for those who want to save money and want to have an electronic drum to record and study using VST as the Superior Drummer?
TD17, TD25 or other older ones do the job?
Greetings from Brazil
Please post details of the snare upgrade parts etc. Thanks!
Great job on this content. I have a TD 17 and will prob do a similar set up change. Thanks.
Is this rack the “ compact” rack for the kvx? Did you add any pieces to it to make longer? I want to add another PDX12 as a 4th Tom but I hearing from people that it won’t fit and the rack will be too tight.
Great upgrade here! I may try this myself. Thanks Justin!
Glad you liked the video!
What trigger did you use for that snare. I'm very new to this.
How did u connect a second module cos I'm consi buying that kit and I'm wonder how can I expand the set later
Have you tried Vexpressions Justin or anybody? What do you think of them?
Was going to upgrade the hi-hat but now that I played for a while an understand more now what your talking about - what’s the ATV snare all about
Hello Justin, could you please be so kind to provide the exact name if the snare and toms you used to upgrade. I am thinking of upgrading mine in a similar way. Thank you in advance. Michael
Yummy setup oohh and
Can you do a review of Roland CYR15 ride cymbal or compare against cy13r
Would be interesting to know how the bell response compares between the 13" and 15" cymbals.
Awesome video, was wondering where you would find these free settings packs?
ever find?
I’ve been looking for an answer to this very simply question but I have yet to find someone explaining how to solve this issue:
KV2 (the combo I have) has a snake cable which includes both hi-hat inputs (hi-hat and hi-hat control); VH-10 REQUIERES 2 stereo cables to work properly, but the snake cable has a MONO hi-hat control cable. Someone told me I could just “upgrade my hi-hat” instead of returning my kit and getting a KVX (Amazon seller conned me - at least the “price” was of a KV2 - but he announced it as a KVX2… (MOTHERF…)
Obviously, things will never work as intended when you’re missing half the “computing information” for the hi-hat to work properly. How does one “upgrade” a KV2 to a KVX2? Do I need to purchase a snake cable that is specific to the KVX2…? Cause obviously the drum module is the same so there shouldn’t be any issues there (TD-17).
I am only posting this rant here in hope that someone KNOWS how to actually connect this VH-10 to a TD-17 from a KV2 combo (cause I’m guessing the snake cable that comes with the KVX models DOES indeed have two stereo cables for the hi-hat and hi-hat control).
I’ve tried many things, and I’m about to spend yet another freaking hundo on a snake cable that I HOPE will have stereo control hi-hats. If you know I’m on the wrong path, I’d appreciate your advice before I pull the wallet-trigger once again to account for the stupidity of my Amazon seller (probably not stupid, just intentional scammer).
Damit Roland seriously💀
6:16 Justin, it would be cool if you could make a video about songs recorded using drum software!
Been working on doing a kit build similar to what you've set up in this video but using the TD-17KV as the starting point. Just wondering if you've had a chance to check out Jobeky's 3 spoke or 4 spoke design triggers on snare drums and if so what were your opinions of those triggers? Want to make a conversion snare but the R Drums triggers are definitely out of my budget.
nice justin.. id love to switch those toms out like you did... but yeah budget. funny enough im going smaller to a 8 pdx for first tom.. for now. i also use a old tama rack as i dont like the look of this rack. far as sound of kit.. my presonus mixer i now use the compression and reverb from that (and eq but i really so far have kept it flat as is) but i feel this has really brought the sound out of the kit for me a little more... my next upgrade will prob be dm2 just to mix in some more pads etc. im sure most would hate using more than one module but i dont mind and the flexibility of the mixer allows me to pan them or even add certain effects to one module not the other or change the kit one one module for percussion or alt snare pads while leaving the base kit alone.
Hey including superior drummer 3
How much all in all would everything cost with these upgrades??
I have the TD-17 and want to upgrade to a floating Hi Hat and Snare stands, I have looked on Zzounds, Reverb and Roland for these items but still can't find the individual product #'s? I just want to make sure everything plugs into my midi and WORKS! Any suggestions as to where to find these stands, incl model #'s please. Thanks
Thanks for the video sir! I've a question, will a VH-12 work with the TD-17 Module? I know there is no preset in the settings for a VH-12 ( only VH-10 and VH-11) and Roland claims it doesn't support VH-12 for the TD-17 Module, (but its doesn't claim to support the GoEdrum controller either, lol, even though it will for the most part.) Just wondering if you have actually tried using a VH-12 with a TD-17.
Hey Justin…. Thanks for all the great videos. Following your lead I upgraded my TD-17 KVX by purchasing 2 mint dual zone PD -105 pads on eBay. One of them is only triggering in the very center. Could it just be a cone or would it be the piezo? Should I replace both and where do I buy them? Any advice would be great! Thanks so much!
Every video I've watched, the pdx10 snare is always flopping around.
Can a person use a regular snare stand instead of the wonky snare mount?
I had a bad experience with my 2box. It came faulty and since it shipped from Europe to US, returning it proved impossible unless I wanted to pay international shipping and more customs fees. So I'm looking for a more tried and true option to replace the 2box module. Was thinking of going Td-17 with SSD5. I know I won't have issues with either. And they'll work great with my converted drums. Just be careful people, if you get the drumit 3, make sure it's not an original release. It has a bad sd card that has to be replaced. And replacing it can break your screen. Doesn't always happen but it did in my case, and it was installed by a professional. Or just go td17 from the beginning like I should have done.
Wow thanks for the heads-up, I've been keeping an eye open for the 5 or 3. Thing I don't care for on the TD-17, it doesn't support Position Sensing on pads. Plus like Justin mentioned in his other video, the cable snake and limited input connections. Although not bad considering.
Don't think the drumit3 supports positional sensing. Dunno about DI5. Positional sensing is kind of a joke anyway. It barely works and is so subtle that I can't really hear it. So, definitely not paying hundreds more for that feature. And with the faulty DI3; Apparently the problem was/is common. Sooo many people had this issue. To me it's a $900 paper weight. Not worth it.
Pintech are cheap and look cheap, but they work very well I have a set of them that I still use with no issues since 2010.
Would be interesting to know what alternatives there would be once you've spent a billion dollars on all the upgraded parts. ATV/Mimic, Pearl/Mimic, Anything Else/Mimic ?
Hi Justin, I’m having the same problems with the tom pads. if you can, can you please put some links to the toms and the snare.
Thanks a lot
Thanks for the video. I got my TD-17 last summer. I bought another PDX-12 to be my floor tom. I sold the extra tom. I had an old TD-4Sx and used the snare arm from that for the floor tom. That converted snare though looks awesome! I got the CY15/R though the difference in size didn't seem that big of a deal AND the bell has the problem so many have reported. I have the Slate Drums, but haven't tried it with the TD-17. I'd take a Pearl Mimic if someone gave it to me, but too pricey for the bad playing I do. Slate Drums should be enough if I want to use something other than the TD-17 module.
Can someone please tell me where to find preset packs or sample packs I can upload to the TD-17.
I want the PDX-100 for the rack toms mainly because of the way they look. I do ok on the the toms though on occasion I hit the white plastic but not enough to make me spend the money. I do not feel compelled to upgrade the kick as the KD-10 feels good to me. I don't have a sway problem with it.
www.drum-tec.de/module/drum-tec-sound-editions?p=1
Did you put the pdx-100 on for Toms? I'm thinking about doing that and the 12 for a floor tom also.
I absolutely love what you've done! I almost didn't want to get this kit because of the snare being so close to the drumset. Can you buy those accoustic snares with triggers in them already? And are they still very loud? Lol
Sure can, just poke around online and you can find some. Jobeky, Druntec etc..
You could always buy a snare stand and put the snare on that. For that matter, you could buy stands for the whole kit and freely position all the pads wherever you want.
Hi Justin, love the channel... Have found all vids very helpful trying to pick a kit.... I'm thinking I want to go the dtx8 mesh..what are your thoughts on a second kick pad rather than upgrading to the kp100 and using a double kick? Also in your opinion would you upgrade a 17kvx or get the dtx8? Cheers from Australia.
when you take out the cable for the bowed edge of the ride can you still use the bell and the ride but not be able to crash with it ? or can you only use the bell at that point ? im trying to upgrade ekits and am considering this one but I want to add a cymbal to it
Hey Justin I figured out a work-around for the KD10 movement issue, which works for me.
I have my TD17 setup on some ply and padding for noise reduction. So I drilled two holes into the ply board and then screwed the spurs into it.
Problem solved...even when using double kicks.
Cheers Paul.
Is it possible to use the Roland RT-30HR with Remo silent stroke on an acoustic snare instead of inside trigger system like shown in the video. I have to swap drum head for some light brush-play sessions. Thanks.
Its possible but I would recommend a thicker mesh head for a snare. The Silent strokes are 1 ply and tend to stretch more which can affect triggering especially on the RT30HR which is designed and tested with the 2 play Roland heads.
@@Edrumcenter Thanks for the info. I looking in to the Roland's head.
Can the td17 support two ride cymbals so that you can set up a crash with a bell?
Hey Justin,a bit late here,but just purchased a TD-17module,and wonder if you know if it’s possible to transfer sounds/kits from an older module(TD-8),to the TD-17?.I understand that most folk would just buy/download a sample pack,but I love some of those sounds on that older module!!.Great vids your producing btw.Thanks.
What are the models of the Tom’s and snare?
I've done the same with my ride cymbal. Replaced it and trying to usw the old one as a China. Can someone tell me where i need to plug it in? The Port 'crash 2 input' is already used for the normal 2nd crash that came with the kit. So i got 2x crashes, 1x ride and the old ride as China
IMPORTANT: Can I replace the toms with pads from any brand? Or does it have to be a Roland pad?
it just has to be a mesh pad. Stay away from yamaha
@@65Drums Thank you for the quick response. I already bought the kit but know I’ll be replacing the toms
@@Xanadu424what did you replace the Toms with?
Alesis strike cymbals, in my experience, are more expensive than Roland or ATV. A 14" crash is like $350 new.
You also didn't mention some 'real feel' cymbal options like Field. They are still fairly budget, or at least on-par with ATV and Roland prices, and feel vert good. Throw on a cymbal mute and/or rubber tips on drum stick and they are just as quiet as rubber cymbals.
I am considering upgrading my snare, but really want to be able to do side stick hits. What do you recommend?
Does somebody give you all this stuff. Impressive that you have stuff just laying around.
Are VH-13 hats compatible with the TD-17 module? I've read multiple sources saying they aren't?
Can you specify the acoustic snare item #?
How do you set up the pc module on windows?? I can only find settings for what seem to be on mac. ez drummer 3?
I made a detailed tutorial that goes over everything for PC and mac in the second half of this video: ua-cam.com/video/7V0rcKjJNJY/v-deo.html&ab_channel=65Drums
Hey Justin great video I am getting upgraded toms when I order mine in couple weeks they said they keep pdx8 pads and sell in store as long as they come in box do u know if each pad comes in its own box ?please reply thanks alot.
Do you have any idea why the td17 snare drum is so wide, not the head, but the drum. It extends far beyond the head.
Justin, I have the TD25 And it comes with the smaller bass drum. I’m wondering why people upgrade to the larger size bass drum. Does it make a difference in playing or sound? Since I’m triggering most of the time using EZdrummer.
Going to update the toms and snare on this set. Want to try combining the new toms with combination stands so I can use both the cymbals and toms on the same mount, therefore eliminating the rack to create a better look. Anyone have advice on this?
Did you end up upgrading the Toms?
Hi bro thanks for the video. I’ve been playing drums for a long time but just about to purchase my first electric kit - when you talk about changing the pads or cymbals etc does this actually change the sound? Is the sound not dependant on the module and settings? Does different size pads change the sound?
Great vidio Justin. I follow you for a couple years and I love what you are doing here.
Quick question. Im thinking about buying ATV exs 5 and maybe roland td17 module or module from ATV. I am not sure. What would you do?
searching for some additional settings packs for my TD 17 KVX. anyone have any links you can drop?
Check out drum tec. I plan on buying their TD-17 metal sample pack.
What is that laptop stand? I need that in my life.
Quick little question... how did you use the 4th cymbal? Did you use a cable splitter or something? You kinda went over that too quick for me. Thanks!
TD17 has one additional input. You can make that extra input whatever you want. Cymbal, Tom, Percussion. You will need a cable and go into each kit and set the sound for this additional pad. There is not cable included as part of the cable snake. Hope that helps. Cheers.
Ah yes! I found out that the aux is assigned to a 4th crash (splash or china)! I thought this was assigned to a 4th tom.
@@franklentz4727 TD-17 actually has two additional inputs.
@@Durwood71 yes it does. Great module.
What about trigger modules for superior drummer with this these pads? Is it compatible? Does it work well? Cheers! 🤘🏻
so... spend $1600 then another $1600 upgrading to stuff it didn't have?
Yup...
Makes no sense. Normal people don't have 2k just laying around.
i think the idea is to give some input on potential upgrade ideas, but yea he basically just spent 1600$ to convert it into a td27 (or w/e the next step up is these days). it's funny to look at the start and end, because the only pads remaining are the crash cymbals...
At that point you might as well get a VAD.
I would think it would be cheaper to buy the module and custom build it the way you want it
Whats your thoughts on Yamaha Cymbals? they are at a lower price point?
Why do you go from the kit to a Focusrite and then the laptop?
Would these upgrades work on a TD-7 kvx?
Is the arm of the drum rack allowed to place 1 10 inches and 1 12 inches pad?