Sweetwater add some Agean LV hybrid cymbals from DrumTec. I love the jazz set but also the Aegean R type..brighter and the hihats have a beautiful “chick “use both digital cymbals and the Aegean
Awesome review!! :) For everyone complaining, with some tweaks to the kit you can get a GREAT sounding kit. Not only that the pros are obvously, 1. Ease of set up/transportation 2. Space 3. Sound (not disturbing neighbours with use of headphones) And one that I think is almost unmatchable is... CONSISTENCY. Nothing worse than when you change environment, or kit and its just NOT quite right with the audio you're getting or sound you might have on that kit on a different day at a practice studio or something. With this you get the same sound to what YOU like everytime. Very cool :) I love both electronic and acoustic kits for their own reasons so just choose based on your preference :)
Everyone is complaining about the sounds, but I'm going to be honest - sounds are a little overrated. What's really important on a practice kit is feel and responsiveness. Roland drums still sound "canned", but they feel great to play because the triggering is so lightning fast and dynamically sensitive. My first electronic kit was an old TD4, and I eventually upgraded to an Alesis Strike Pro because it sounded awesome and seemed like a great value. What I didn't realize was that even if the drum samples sounded more convincing, the playability of the kit suffered. It just didn't feel as good to play. The samples sounded good but they didn't sound great coming through my headphones when I played. My TD4 had dramatically worse drum sounds and less advanced hardware, but it just flat out triggered better and sounded punchier. It's a little hard to explain, but Rolands just absolutely nail the feel aspect of playing. I eventually bought a used TD20X module and it was like night and day compared to the Strike Pro, even if the sounds were a decade old. I'm not gigging with my e-kit, and if I really want to record I'll use EZ Drummer or something. But I do need it to *feel* convincing. (Also my Alesis Strike Pro was an absolute piece of crap from a reliability standpoint - 3 of my pads have failed and the ride just went. The hihats were a joke and everyone replaces them with VH11s. Google "Strike Pro pad fix" if you want to see the kind of quality Alesis puts out.)
I just bought the store demo for $1500 combined with my TD11 and 2 12 inch mesh pads now I have a huge kit with 6 toms and 8 cymbals, I’m using the rubber pads from the TD11 for percussion effects.
I’ve seen this problem before on Ekits. The drummer is almost sitting on the floor. The rack is too low. I prefer a Gibraltar height adjustable rack. Otherwise, you look like you’re sitting behind a toy. Get the VAD506 and a good rack .
I've actually always just used a traditional cross stick technique on my TD-15kv by laying the stick across both rims. It's probably 98% reliable. I've been happy with it.
Nick is so legendary at presentation....great vibe....genius player. You go in this video thinking.....oh here we go...another guy struggling to make edrums sound good......but then he blows you away with stellar playing. He makes it look really easy.....but that is because he is pro pro.
Went for an Alesis Strike Pro SE instead of the Roland TD 27kv. Boy, am I kicking myself now. In the process of returning the Alesis. I knew I was taking a chance, but man, the quality of Roland, and the reliability of their products are truly unmatched. Well worth the added cost. And honestly, the sounds are just as good as what you get from Alesis, don't be fooled. Why didn't I just go with the 27kv in the first place?!
Now that everyone has had a shot at complaining their butts off, I will say this. If you hate electronic drums, stick with your acoustic. It`s that simple. If you want the advantages of the TD-27 kit as demonstrated here, then great. Have at it. There are trade offs to everything in life and you make your choices accordingly. Stop expecting that electronic kits will perfectly mimic all things acoustic. It`s not going to happen...so stop complaining!
I think the TD50x sounds close to acoustic. It’s a shame you have to spend that much to get those sounds when Efnote and ATV get great acoustic sounds at cheaper prices
RIGHT? I think it like this. If I'm investing in a dedicated sound module that costs 1500 bucks, a VST shouldn't sound better. These shouldn't be just "controllers," these should be judged as MOOG products. Sound isn't there yet. I can buy a VST to get propper trigger sounds.
@@HR2635 It's not that simple. To get the amount of variation with samples is not worth the time. Hardware with good samples is also insanely expensive. That's why the modules that do feature real samples still suck. The modules can only handle a small amount of samples. Simple as that. Saying Roland is going down is just proving you have no idea how the software side works.
@@annekedebruyn7797 I use NI Studio Drummer without edrums. With small buffers, even a modern PC struggles. So I can pretty well imagine, that a sound module always has its priority on low latency, while you can't really squeeze much computing power into it. Unfortunately, that makes it not really a pleasure listening to those.
@@annekedebruyn7797 What are you talking about? Its insane that the old TD9 from another decade sounds the same. Most players really dont give a shit about 99% of the stupid sounds in the roland modules. Save the space. Most players need to connect it to a laptop for good sounds. Ofcourse the way to go is team up with toontrack and get the sounds onboard. They are all selling this like a kit for on stage. Really? And its not that expensive to use ssd tech in these modules.
I have td11 td17 and td25 and I rarely use the td17. Only when I think I’m bored of the td25 I hook up the td17 module and realize the only good thing in the 17 module is the cymbal sounds.
@@XoldnewsX That is low tier (good low tier for practice and uses like that). TD-27 is supposed to be mid tier so I expect balanced outputs, integrated power block, 4+ pre-outs and better sounds so this can be used live, in this state, the TD-27, just like the 25 is useless for live gigs.
I think that they aren't too bothered since the vast majority will buy samplepacks anyways. Even the "drumsamples" modules sound bad and artificial (like the Mimic Pro.) Better spent your resources to make the hardware better.
Integrated 28-channel USB audio interface into drum software is going to be awesome. I dont much care what the stock sounds are. That digital snare is KILLER. Tracks rim clicks seamlessly.
@@mimicry88 I agree I want the TD-50 Digital Pack so bad, If they did a YD-27 digital pack I might upgrade my td-30 but I really hate cable snakes with a passion
@@jw112mail JME WILLIAMS wow...thats quite an assumptive comment to make towards someone you dont even know. It's the realism and feel of the kit that I'm referring to. For $3,000, I'd personally prefer more realistic sizes. But thanks for the unnecessary pointer....
For me the position of the knobs is wrong. The group of the 4 knobs should be on the left side of the display. Otherwise your left hand is hiding information on the display. Too bad!
I’d add that all the knobs should’ve been on the bottom and the screen on top. That way left and right handed players aren’t accidentally blocking the screen.
I noticed he didn't mention the size and capacity of the SD card which leaves me to believe that it's low capacity but I would like this confirmed. I would also like to know how quick the load is from the card. If your on stage and you are going to another song, the load speed is very important.
@@mpcvore $500 for SD3 and one of the latest packages (1000 if you count the laptop but are you serious? Who doesn't have a laptop...) to get your kit sounding like multiple $10000 worth acoustic kits recorded in renowned studios by dozens of mics worth like $20000 and mixed by world class producers. What can you get for your acoustic kit for that price? 2 overhead mics?
Why not (do you need a "strong" laptop for SD3 ?), but it's still a lot of money, and what about the "monitoring" or PA system....?! Anyway, i stay with my old fashion Premier acoustic drum kit and my Zildjian cymbals, it's enough for my skill (and money !) and for the needs of my cover band...!
Not sure why all the complaints,they sound great to me,maybe the whiners are used to playing out of tune kits,these sound like my properly tuned acoustic drums,I think I'll try these out
Thanks for the great video. Can you tell me if the TD-27 has the same positional sensing as the TD-50? I heard the TD-27 doesn't have full positional sensing on the digital ride. Is that true?
Why a TD-30? The digital ride and snare are way better than the center cone crap pads on that set and the 30 has no balanced outputs. I just wonder why?
wondering how good or how much diff the position sensing and snare will make to vst software re dynamics and diff snare articulations, ssd5 and ad2, any vids about
If you don't like a preset sound you have to edit it, just like photoshop, you can easily personalize every sound, there are some detailed YT videos explaining how to do it. Once you have your sound(s) you will no regret.
Do the drum sticks you are using have plastic tips? Just wondering what the best sticks are for protecting the mesh heads when you play an edrum set. Are wood tips safe for mesh heads? Or should we be using plastic tips? Thanks!
Wood is best, nylon will eat the mesh faster and I guess wear the cymbals more too. Just make sure to replace your sticks when they are really worn or they will damage the rubber rims and cymbals. And do not use felt for the kick beater, once again a wooden beater is best.
Roland is the best. I bought a td17 and I have never looked back. I do like this progression tho. It seems to have more options for more real life playing. When roland makes the the td37, I'm sure I'll sell my kit for one. And I'm definite the person who buys my set will have issue free playing and enjoyment for... Prolly a lifetime! I freaking love roland... I wake up and just look at my kit and get inspired to play.
Hello, Anthony! Both are great kits in terms of build quality and feel, but they do differ somewhat in terms of sounds and some features. Would you mind giving us a call? Would be happy to talk more about it to get you into the kit that's best for you. Thanks for the interest! Cody Kraus, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1766, cody_kraus@sweetwater.com
Electronic kits are advancing and it's very cool, but I'm always thinking, Where are "electric" drums? I feel like with electronic drums we sort of skipped a step, and that in-between step that we skipped could be the coolest of all. Picture if guitarists only had either acoustic guitars or midi guitars... but no electric guitars. That's the reality for drummers. I wanna see drums that are real vibrating instruments but they have some kind of pickups/transducers in them.. and imagine if the acoustic sound they make is quiet enough that you can play them in an apartment. Imagine the possibilities for live sound and recording and even using effects, etc. I know Boom Theory did something like that, and Zildjian has some cymbals that work sort of like that (Gen16 I think), and possibly the Korg Wavedrum is a similar idea (not sure), so yes it's been explored, but let's see that taken to a new level. It could seriously be the future of drums... I'm not just trying to be dramatic. haha Maybe the technology would be so tricky that you might as well use acoustic drums... I dunno... but I think there's a huge hole in the drum world waiting to be filled.
I was considering this for the studio but not after hearing the tones for the price. i will continue to program drums for the time and buy some other gear for mixing.They should give free upgrade for there modules.
Hi Miguel. I think you're missing the point of these drums. Roland has no intentions of putting good sounds in the module, that would be a waste of time, and they know it. Instead, they give you some sounds to practice with, and then when it's time to record "real" sounding drums, you trigger your VST of choice. Nothing triggers drum VST's better than a Roland module with Roland pads, it's on a whole different level. Every little thing you do gets it's own midi note, and many of the VST's support the positional sensing the Roland kits offer. The only way you'll even get close is to mic up a complete acoustic kit. You even get 28 channels of midi and audio with built in audio interface. This kit is perfect for the studio.
@@RADERFPV well l did not miss the point but l also really did not understand the potential of using the set with mt midi samples for a live feel. Thanks for responding and clarifying this.
I wouldent buy the td25 becuase of how high the prices get on that kit and honestly the ride is sorta loud but the snare is pretty quit for being so deep mostly the cymbals have some nosise to them
I am still looking for a way to activate the metronome's LED display only when I am using the metronome. If you activate the LED display for the click in the system menu, you have an annoying disco flashing all the time, regardless of whether you have activated the click or not.
You didn’t mention 28 channels and what they can do. I have SD3 . Can I easlily go back and forth between the SD3 and the module sounds? ....because of the 28?
James Parker what the heck is SD5? Do you mean Steven Slate 5? I’m talking about Superior Drummer 3. If that’s what you mean, I prefer SD3. I’ve heard both.
Roland E kit player since the 90's had all of them td 6,7,9,10,11,15,20,30,50, soon TD 27 video should have included rim shot they missed that.. HR2635 u need to get educated on E-kits you are clueless! I play on avg. 75 gigs a year. Small bars, restaurants, large venues and outdoor festivals it is a sound mans DREAM!!!! every musician that I have played wants there current drummers to convert to E-Kits
Am I alone here, or does it not make more sense to DIY your e-drums these days? I have a cheap-o ddrum kit with helensson triggers and zildian lvc’s (going to get magnatrax triggers for that). I have a used Alesis Strike brain as well. 3-ply drum-tec mesh heads...totally quiet, great feel...and I think I’m still under 1k US dollars.
@@arbogast4950 almost, the rack is very limiting on set up, otherwise it seems good, it even sounds better to me than the 27 after watching a lot of reviews of each.
But still not good enough for the price, the lack of balanced outputs, at least 4 pre-outs, integrated power block and better sounds makes this useless for live gigs. So the TD-17 is good enough for practice and the TD-50 is required for live gigs. Why does this one exist?
This is a much better option than a TD-50 for live as a working musician. Half the price, same sound and snare and easier to setup if you don't have a sound guy or mixer with enough channels. If you look at paper spec and compare it that way you're not gonna see the value. As someone that has played years in bands with e-drums I can easily see the appeal. The only criticism I have is the choice of kick pad. They don't last - again, in my experience, playing 6 nights a week.
@@Igorgoat Perhaps for very low tier musicians that do not use even a proper mixer? Really lol? If you want to get an e-kit sounding anywhere near good you need a bunch of balanced pre-outs for FoH EQ.
@@Tom-sd2vi What does the amount of mixer channels have to do with musicianship. You're actually just being a dick and nitpicking points to argue. You don't need control over every drum (just to EQ???). At some point it becomes redundant to have a e-kit, when an acoustic is cheaper and the same amount of hassle.
Hello, Alain! The TD-27KV does have double kick capability and you can go about it one of two ways. Either with a standard double kick pedal on the one kick trigger or by purchasing an additional KD-10 kick tower and using another single kick pedal with it. You'll occupy one of the three auxiliary trigger inputs doing it this way, but it will be more accurate in triggering at higher speeds. Thanks for the interest! Cody Kraus, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1766, cody_kraus@sweetwater.com
Can samples be loaded from other software? I guess you can use MIDI and trigger drum samples from a laptop. The Roland drum sets sound best obviously through a proper monitor system and headphones, not smartphone or tablet speakers. The TD-20 kit my brother has, sounds great through a pair of Roland 15" full-range speakers.
I wish the floor tom pad was larger. Often switching between an acoustic set with a large floor tom to an electronic set it forces you to change your playing style because the electronic floor tom is unnaturally small. One question I have is how do you keep the cymbals looks like nice, sleek jet black? I have the TD25KV and my cymbals look grey. I've tried a ton of products to make them look like new but nothing has worked.
Hey, Steezy boi008. Thanks for your interest. You can add a total of 5 other things. One USB so you could add the new digital hi hat, a second ride, or second snare. It also has 4 other aux ins. One is a dedicated crash. The other three are user assignable. They can be either cymbals or toms. I hope this helps. Best Regards, Jason Thiele, Senior Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1391, jason_thiele@sweetwater.com
@@sweetwater thank you and I didn’t know this thing thing could be upgraded to the hi hat 14DH so I will definitely will be ordering soon with those upgrades thank you!
lol how does it affect anything at all when you’re playing? Roland kits have problems but the screen is a total non issue for anyone who actually spends their time playing
@@cucumbers405 well, that's one opinion. You can ask thousands of serious drummers and some will agree, others won't. But following your argument you would gladly shave off $50 when you could buy for example a bare metal and wooden kit instead of a nice painted drum kit with exactly the same sound (after all, it's only the playing that counts, right)? You do have to look at it for many years, and in an electronic drum kit you're looking at and handling the module all the time. I know drummers who didn't buy a drum kit just for the color it was painted in.
Hey, Dekranz. Thanks so much! The pad is wide enough for a double pedal. I hope this helps. Jason Thiele, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1391, jason_thiele@sweetwater.com
How did you mount the module beyond the rack leg? You must have an additional bracket of some sort? Having a nightmare getting mine setup so that the module doesn't foul the hi-hat!
Your question is 3 years old, so I reckon you've found a solution... but mine is: Remove the module & clamp from the bar. Lower the left horizontal bar, so the outer left stand has approx 5cm of upper space above the bar. Turn the module-clamp 90degrees and mount it on the top of the outer left stand. There you go. :-) Fixed without buying extra accessories.
I’m guessing that with what you are suggesting the cables would still run through the rack. They need to figure out how to get rid of cables altogether and run signal through the rack. The toms and cymbals are all attached to metal that could be used to transmit signals. Whichever company figures that out will outsell all competitors and change the face of drumming.
This makes me want to throw my Alesis DM6 right out on the street. What amazing realism in sound options and feel. Unfortunately the price is out of range for a lot of non pros. And what's up with the smaller pad as the floor tom??? Still an amazing kit.
Thanks for the question. You can, but the challenge would be the pads. You wouldn't get the advantage of the digital connectivity unless you have the digital pads. It'd probably make more sense to sell the TD-20 and invest in the new TD-27KV. Let me know if you have further questions. Derek Senestraro, Senior Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1243, derek_senestraro@sweetwater.com
Hey, Peter. Thanks so much for reaching out. There is a mounting plate that comes included with the module. If you get the complete kit, all of the parts are included to mount the module to the rack. I hope this helps. Jason Thiele, Senior Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1391, jason_thiele@sweetwater.com
Hello, Alfie! You can adjust the tuning and the decay length of the onboard samples on the TD27 module. It's quite a simple process. More on this on page 30 of the manual: static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/TD-27_Reference_eng01_W.pdf Thanks for the interest! Cody Kraus, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1766, cody_kraus@sweetwater.com
Hello, Major Lee! I would say that really depends on a few things. Depending on the size of the space, there are multiple options. Generally, keyboard amps and PA systems do a good job. KAT percussion makes a drum amplifier that would be good for most practice rooms: www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KA2--kat-percussion-ka2-digital-drum-amplifier Give me a call if I can answer anymore questions. Thanks! Michael Morgan, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1607, michael_morgan@sweetwater.com
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Tell Roland to stop wasting our time and money and pair up with toon tracks for actually good sounds
Sweetwater add some Agean LV hybrid cymbals from DrumTec. I love the jazz set but also the Aegean R type..brighter and the hihats have a beautiful “chick “use both digital cymbals and the Aegean
Awesome review!! :) For everyone complaining, with some tweaks to the kit you can get a GREAT sounding kit. Not only that the pros are obvously,
1. Ease of set up/transportation
2. Space
3. Sound (not disturbing neighbours with use of headphones)
And one that I think is almost unmatchable is... CONSISTENCY. Nothing worse than when you change environment, or kit and its just NOT quite right with the audio you're getting or sound you might have on that kit on a different day at a practice studio or something. With this you get the same sound to what YOU like everytime. Very cool :) I love both electronic and acoustic kits for their own reasons so just choose based on your preference :)
Everyone is complaining about the sounds, but I'm going to be honest - sounds are a little overrated. What's really important on a practice kit is feel and responsiveness. Roland drums still sound "canned", but they feel great to play because the triggering is so lightning fast and dynamically sensitive.
My first electronic kit was an old TD4, and I eventually upgraded to an Alesis Strike Pro because it sounded awesome and seemed like a great value. What I didn't realize was that even if the drum samples sounded more convincing, the playability of the kit suffered. It just didn't feel as good to play. The samples sounded good but they didn't sound great coming through my headphones when I played. My TD4 had dramatically worse drum sounds and less advanced hardware, but it just flat out triggered better and sounded punchier. It's a little hard to explain, but Rolands just absolutely nail the feel aspect of playing.
I eventually bought a used TD20X module and it was like night and day compared to the Strike Pro, even if the sounds were a decade old. I'm not gigging with my e-kit, and if I really want to record I'll use EZ Drummer or something. But I do need it to *feel* convincing. (Also my Alesis Strike Pro was an absolute piece of crap from a reliability standpoint - 3 of my pads have failed and the ride just went. The hihats were a joke and everyone replaces them with VH11s. Google "Strike Pro pad fix" if you want to see the kind of quality Alesis puts out.)
I agree with you. Roland kits mostly feel the best.
NDV is a genius musician and a fabulous presenter. He could make mic’ed up pickle buckets sound like a DW kit and could probably sell ice to Eskimos.
Nick is the “go to guy” when it comes to reviewing new kits. Absolutely brilliant.
Have seen him 20 years ago with SB in Berlin. He is a great drummer!
When he says "really cool and natural sounds", I'm sorry but it is not objective review, but just commercial speech ...
Watched this video over and over. I ordered this kit and should be arriving this week. Great demo!
Enjoy ! Mine just came in today!
I just bought the store demo for $1500 combined with my TD11 and 2 12 inch mesh pads now I have a huge kit with 6 toms and 8 cymbals, I’m using the rubber pads from the TD11 for percussion effects.
3K and same sized toms? Come on Roland!
May I Trigger You? Agree, at least a larger floor Tom?
The hi-hat rod should be longer...
it's an antenna for wireless
You can put a couple tambos and a set of cowbells on that badboy.
I’ve seen this problem before on Ekits. The drummer is almost sitting on the floor. The rack is too low. I prefer a Gibraltar height adjustable rack. Otherwise, you look like you’re sitting behind a toy. Get the VAD506 and a good rack .
I was thinking the same
She said
I've actually always just used a traditional cross stick technique on my TD-15kv by laying the stick across both rims. It's probably 98% reliable. I've been happy with it.
Nick is so legendary at presentation....great vibe....genius player. You go in this video thinking.....oh here we go...another guy struggling to make edrums sound good......but then he blows you away with stellar playing. He makes it look really easy.....but that is because he is pro pro.
Went for an Alesis Strike Pro SE instead of the Roland TD 27kv. Boy, am I kicking myself now. In the process of returning the Alesis. I knew I was taking a chance, but man, the quality of Roland, and the reliability of their products are truly unmatched. Well worth the added cost. And honestly, the sounds are just as good as what you get from Alesis, don't be fooled. Why didn't I just go with the 27kv in the first place?!
what u playing NOW?
@@chezchezchezchez Roland TD 27
Love this drum set, it's so worth it for the snare, ride, hihat, and module.
I agree. I want this kit.
Agree, this kit is amazing
It's pretty amazing to see the big difference between Suprioir Drummer 3 amazing and realistic sounds to Roland modules.
For such a price having still 3 small toms is too bad! It would have been awesome with that snare and ride!
It wouldn’t be so bad if the floor Tom was at least a 12” pad. Having 10” pads for all the toms with a 14” snare just feels uncomfortable
15:11 Once again, there's that amazing drummer who just loves to play!! 16:37
It's always a cloudy day for some folks. Sucks to be that. Oh, well...
Awesome.
Now that everyone has had a shot at complaining their butts off, I will say this. If you hate electronic drums, stick with your acoustic. It`s that simple. If you want the advantages of the TD-27 kit as demonstrated here, then great. Have at it. There are trade offs to everything in life and you make your choices accordingly. Stop expecting that electronic kits will perfectly mimic all things acoustic. It`s not going to happen...so stop complaining!
Well said
I bought the Roland TD-17KV and I'm very happy with it.
I think the TD50x sounds close to acoustic. It’s a shame you have to spend that much to get those sounds when Efnote and ATV get great acoustic sounds at cheaper prices
It feels the same as the Roland Kit I bought 10 years ago. They're still good for controlling VST drums though.
RIGHT?
I think it like this. If I'm investing in a dedicated sound module that costs 1500 bucks, a VST shouldn't sound better. These shouldn't be just "controllers," these should be judged as MOOG products.
Sound isn't there yet. I can buy a VST to get propper trigger sounds.
JEAG yeah, not impressed.
I think they actually got worse as the years progressed
That’s too bad as I thought Roland was leading in the electronic drums department. You think there are better alternatives?
@@drumroller27 Physical hardware is best at Roland, just connect it to your PC and control Superior/EZ drummer. Onboard sounds are not good.
Guys, it's 2020 and sample re-triggers still lack variation, which makes it sound artificial.
Let's wait for 5-G modules..;-)
@@stellr88 exactly.. if Roland teamed up with Toontrack all our wishes could come through. Until they do that Roland is only going one way -> down.
@@HR2635 It's not that simple.
To get the amount of variation with samples is not worth the time.
Hardware with good samples is also insanely expensive. That's why the modules that do feature real samples still suck. The modules can only handle a small amount of samples. Simple as that.
Saying Roland is going down is just proving you have no idea how the software side works.
@@annekedebruyn7797 I use NI Studio Drummer without edrums. With small buffers, even a modern PC struggles. So I can pretty well imagine, that a sound module always has its priority on low latency, while you can't really squeeze much computing power into it. Unfortunately, that makes it not really a pleasure listening to those.
@@annekedebruyn7797 What are you talking about? Its insane that the old TD9 from another decade sounds the same. Most players really dont give a shit about 99% of the stupid sounds in the roland modules. Save the space. Most players need to connect it to a laptop for good sounds. Ofcourse the way to go is team up with toontrack and get the sounds onboard. They are all selling this like a kit for on stage. Really? And its not that expensive to use ssd tech in these modules.
The band "Big Big Train" is definitely worth to check out. They do odd time.
Hey guys, how about a video about the td-27kv2?
Thank the lord I didnt pull the trigger on buying a td-25 last week
Just get the TD-30KV
I have td11 td17 and td25 and I rarely use the td17. Only when I think I’m bored of the td25 I hook up the td17 module and realize the only good thing in the 17 module is the cymbal sounds.
@@DruGaTecH Well that is some horrible advise
they need to do a collab with toontrack and get some better samples....yikes
Roland needs to step up their mid tier drum game
They did pretty well with the Td-17 line
@@XoldnewsX That is low tier (good low tier for practice and uses like that). TD-27 is supposed to be mid tier so I expect balanced outputs, integrated power block, 4+ pre-outs and better sounds so this can be used live, in this state, the TD-27, just like the 25 is useless for live gigs.
These sounds are very unrealistic for 2020... maybe this was good enough for 2015...but come on Roland, I believe in you guys.
I think that they aren't too bothered since the vast majority will buy samplepacks anyways.
Even the "drumsamples" modules sound bad and artificial (like the Mimic Pro.) Better spent your resources to make the hardware better.
Superior Drummer 3 is a must. Turns a td-6 into better than a td-50 sound wise for 300 bucks
I mean I’m thoroughly underwhelmed
Integrated 28-channel USB audio interface into drum software is going to be awesome. I dont much care what the stock sounds are. That digital snare is KILLER. Tracks rim clicks seamlessly.
@@mimicry88 I agree I want the TD-50 Digital Pack so bad, If they did a YD-27 digital pack I might upgrade my td-30 but I really hate cable snakes with a passion
Great new kit. Roland desperately needs to vary their tom sizes, though. At least a larger floor tom. Three 10" tom pads is pretty ridiculous.
Jason Weidman yeah, especially with that snare and ride.
if you can't hit a 10" circle then may I recommend working on your technique
JME WILLIAMS If you couldn’t understand that I was addressing the proportions of the kit then I may recommend working on your intelligence
@@jw112mail JME WILLIAMS wow...thats quite an assumptive comment to make towards someone you dont even know. It's the realism and feel of the kit that I'm referring to. For $3,000, I'd personally prefer more realistic sizes. But thanks for the unnecessary pointer....
Roland when asked if they'll vary the tom sizes:
KEKW
For me the position of the knobs is wrong. The group of the 4 knobs should be on the left side of the display. Otherwise your left hand is hiding information on the display. Too bad!
I’d add that all the knobs should’ve been on the bottom and the screen on top. That way left and right handed players aren’t accidentally blocking the screen.
Use a mirror and read it backwards
Fine if your right handed 🤗
Roland : Then place the module on the right side of your kit and use with right hand
@@treynobles even better!
I still enjoy my TD-9!!
Still?
@@chezchezchezchez yes!
Oh boy this guy can play!!🤟🏻
Looks like a ton of fun and Nick you are a inspiration, Thanks.
Have my TD25K, bought a bluetooth module from AliExpress for 1.5 euros, and I literally upgraded my TD25 to TD27
I noticed he didn't mention the size and capacity of the SD card which leaves me to believe that it's low capacity but I would like this confirmed. I would also like to know how quick the load is from the card. If your on stage and you are going to another song, the load speed is very important.
no its actually decent size i think its 500mb I THINK
my td25 will do nicely thank you.....i loaded in some vexpressions and im good!!
I wonder what technology they use to actually sense the different regions of the cymbals? Pretty amazing.
And also striking pressure.
Sounds same as 15 years ago.
RNoldFCK answer: Superior Drummer 3. Problem solved
most people don't use the stock sounds on edrums. Haven't in years. If you are then you are behind in times lol.
@@gregwilliams2764 : right, but how much money do you spend more to get it (+ the laptop)...?
@@mpcvore $500 for SD3 and one of the latest packages (1000 if you count the laptop but are you serious? Who doesn't have a laptop...) to get your kit sounding like multiple $10000 worth acoustic kits recorded in renowned studios by dozens of mics worth like $20000 and mixed by world class producers. What can you get for your acoustic kit for that price? 2 overhead mics?
Why not (do you need a "strong" laptop for SD3 ?), but it's still a lot of money, and what about the "monitoring" or PA system....?! Anyway, i stay with my old fashion Premier acoustic drum kit and my Zildjian cymbals, it's enough for my skill (and money !) and for the needs of my cover band...!
Not sure why all the complaints,they sound great to me,maybe the whiners are used to playing out of tune kits,these sound like my properly tuned acoustic drums,I think I'll try these out
Thanks for the great video. Can you tell me if the TD-27 has the same positional sensing as the TD-50? I heard the TD-27 doesn't have full positional sensing on the digital ride. Is that true?
This makes me want a Roland td30 or an alesis strike pro module so badly.!!!
Why a TD-30? The digital ride and snare are way better than the center cone crap pads on that set and the 30 has no balanced outputs. I just wonder why?
finally a decent drummer demoing one of these
wondering how good or how much diff the position sensing and snare will make to vst software re dynamics and diff snare articulations, ssd5 and ad2, any vids about
Why isn't Roland giving the people what they want? Nice demo, #Sweetwater!
If you don't like a preset sound you have to edit it, just like photoshop, you can easily personalize every sound, there are some detailed YT videos explaining how to do it. Once you have your sound(s) you will no regret.
I have the money... But i think i'll get a TD17kvx. I don't really understand the almost doubled price. Doesn't seem double time better than the 17
Do the drum sticks you are using have plastic tips? Just wondering what the best sticks are for protecting the mesh heads when you play an edrum set. Are wood tips safe for mesh heads? Or should we be using plastic tips? Thanks!
Wood is best, nylon will eat the mesh faster and I guess wear the cymbals more too. Just make sure to replace your sticks when they are really worn or they will damage the rubber rims and cymbals. And do not use felt for the kick beater, once again a wooden beater is best.
Ii would like a video tutorial on how to record 28 separate channels with the roland td27 which softwere to use and how to connect and how to do it.
does that bluetooth send midi data to the pc/daw?
Roland is the best. I bought a td17 and I have never looked back. I do like this progression tho. It seems to have more options for more real life playing. When roland makes the the td37, I'm sure I'll sell my kit for one. And I'm definite the person who buys my set will have issue free playing and enjoyment for... Prolly a lifetime! I freaking love roland... I wake up and just look at my kit and get inspired to play.
Oh! .... And shout out to sweetwater for being the absolute best music gear seller on the planet
Also, the alesis strike pro se seems like alesis is finally stepping up. I like the progression
Nick is a great drummer 👍🏻
Play full playback from SD Card...nice option:)
I've watched a few videos, where it seems like there is a delay with the cymbal choke.
having a hard time choosing between this and strike pro se. anyone have experience on both kits?
Hello, Anthony! Both are great kits in terms of build quality and feel, but they do differ somewhat in terms of sounds and some features. Would you mind giving us a call? Would be happy to talk more about it to get you into the kit that's best for you.
Thanks for the interest!
Cody Kraus, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1766, cody_kraus@sweetwater.com
Electronic kits are advancing and it's very cool, but I'm always thinking, Where are "electric" drums? I feel like with electronic drums we sort of skipped a step, and that in-between step that we skipped could be the coolest of all. Picture if guitarists only had either acoustic guitars or midi guitars... but no electric guitars. That's the reality for drummers. I wanna see drums that are real vibrating instruments but they have some kind of pickups/transducers in them.. and imagine if the acoustic sound they make is quiet enough that you can play them in an apartment. Imagine the possibilities for live sound and recording and even using effects, etc. I know Boom Theory did something like that, and Zildjian has some cymbals that work sort of like that (Gen16 I think), and possibly the Korg Wavedrum is a similar idea (not sure), so yes it's been explored, but let's see that taken to a new level. It could seriously be the future of drums... I'm not just trying to be dramatic. haha Maybe the technology would be so tricky that you might as well use acoustic drums... I dunno... but I think there's a huge hole in the drum world waiting to be filled.
Excellent review, thank you.
Looks mint glad they done this
Td17kvx vs td27kv. Which one do you recommend and why?
I know I’m gonna spend the extra $$ on the TD27. Better rack, snare, ride, nicer toms.
I was considering this for the studio but not after hearing the tones for the price. i will continue to program drums for the time and buy some other gear for mixing.They should give free upgrade for there modules.
Hi Miguel. I think you're missing the point of these drums. Roland has no intentions of putting good sounds in the module, that would be a waste of time, and they know it. Instead, they give you some sounds to practice with, and then when it's time to record "real" sounding drums, you trigger your VST of choice. Nothing triggers drum VST's better than a Roland module with Roland pads, it's on a whole different level. Every little thing you do gets it's own midi note, and many of the VST's support the positional sensing the Roland kits offer. The only way you'll even get close is to mic up a complete acoustic kit. You even get 28 channels of midi and audio with built in audio interface. This kit is perfect for the studio.
@@RADERFPV well l did not miss the point but l also really did not understand the potential of using the set with mt midi samples for a live feel. Thanks for responding and clarifying this.
@@riktascale4 For live situations, I'd be very hesitant as well, I see what you mean. Have a great day, happy drumming :)
@@RADERFPV l will be limiting it's use to studio recording. For live l play the steel drum not drum set per se.
Is TD-27KV as quiet as TD-25KV? I was about to buy TD-25 KV already :)
I wouldent buy the td25 becuase of how high the prices get on that kit and honestly the ride is sorta loud but the snare is pretty quit for being so deep mostly the cymbals have some nosise to them
@@steezyboiiii808 Thanks for advise.
I am still looking for a way to activate the metronome's LED display only when I am using the metronome. If you activate the LED display for the click in the system menu, you have an annoying disco flashing all the time, regardless of whether you have activated the click or not.
Did you say something about “mute groups”? How is that unique?
every Drummer I know hates E kits but some use e toms for extended kits
You didn’t mention 28 channels and what they can do. I have SD3 . Can I easlily go back and forth between the SD3 and the module sounds? ....because of the 28?
Yeah u can
But get SD5 its wad better than 3
James Parker what the heck is SD5? Do you mean Steven Slate 5? I’m talking about Superior Drummer 3. If that’s what you mean, I prefer SD3. I’ve heard both.
@@gregwilliams2764 sorry my bad. SD3 is awesome so is slate drums 5. It just takes a lil more tweaking to get slate sounding really good.
What things are the same and what is different between this kit and the VAD 506 ? thank you.
Roland E kit player since the 90's had all of them td 6,7,9,10,11,15,20,30,50, soon TD 27 video should have included rim shot they missed that.. HR2635 u need to get educated on E-kits you are clueless! I play on avg. 75 gigs a year. Small bars, restaurants, large venues and outdoor festivals it is a sound mans DREAM!!!! every musician that I have played wants there current drummers to convert to E-Kits
great review! Thanks for sharing man.
Great product demo thank you
Am I alone here, or does it not make more sense to DIY your e-drums these days? I have a cheap-o ddrum kit with helensson triggers and zildian lvc’s (going to get magnatrax triggers for that). I have a used Alesis Strike brain as well. 3-ply drum-tec mesh heads...totally quiet, great feel...and I think I’m still under 1k US dollars.
Soo can you use native instruments drum kits through the drums?? If that’s possible I’m buying one lll
Need to get me one of these.
How many extra pads or cymbals can you add to this kit
Great kit, I could have done without the digital pads at a much lower price but I will get one anyways. How many internal songs?
So, you want the TD17KVX then....
@@arbogast4950 Or the VAD306. No digital pads, but larger drums and the TD-17 module.
@@arbogast4950 almost, the rack is very limiting on set up, otherwise it seems good, it even sounds better to me than the 27 after watching a lot of reviews of each.
Yeah, I actually am against having the full size drum types, dont need the extra weight and mass if all it is is cosmetic.
This is a huge improvement over the TD-25.
But still not good enough for the price, the lack of balanced outputs, at least 4 pre-outs, integrated power block and better sounds makes this useless for live gigs. So the TD-17 is good enough for practice and the TD-50 is required for live gigs. Why does this one exist?
This is a much better option than a TD-50 for live as a working musician. Half the price, same sound and snare and easier to setup if you don't have a sound guy or mixer with enough channels. If you look at paper spec and compare it that way you're not gonna see the value. As someone that has played years in bands with e-drums I can easily see the appeal.
The only criticism I have is the choice of kick pad. They don't last - again, in my experience, playing 6 nights a week.
@@Igorgoat Perhaps for very low tier musicians that do not use even a proper mixer? Really lol? If you want to get an e-kit sounding anywhere near good you need a bunch of balanced pre-outs for FoH EQ.
@@Tom-sd2vi What does the amount of mixer channels have to do with musicianship. You're actually just being a dick and nitpicking points to argue. You don't need control over every drum (just to EQ???). At some point it becomes redundant to have a e-kit, when an acoustic is cheaper and the same amount of hassle.
Is it possible to play with a double kick pedal on this kit?
Hello, Alain! The TD-27KV does have double kick capability and you can go about it one of two ways. Either with a standard double kick pedal on the one kick trigger or by purchasing an additional KD-10 kick tower and using another single kick pedal with it. You'll occupy one of the three auxiliary trigger inputs doing it this way, but it will be more accurate in triggering at higher speeds.
Thanks for the interest!
Cody Kraus, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1766, cody_kraus@sweetwater.com
I like that T-shirt.
god i love your vids. if i had the cash and the room i would get this. have not had a good drum for a long time.
Can samples be loaded from other software? I guess you can use MIDI and trigger drum samples from a laptop. The Roland drum sets sound best obviously through a proper monitor system and headphones, not smartphone or tablet speakers. The TD-20 kit my brother has, sounds great through a pair of Roland 15" full-range speakers.
find out?
I wonder if you can do the gravity blast on the snare?
how is this different than a V-pro?
I wish the floor tom pad was larger. Often switching between an acoustic set with a large floor tom to an electronic set it forces you to change your playing style because the electronic floor tom is unnaturally small.
One question I have is how do you keep the cymbals looks like nice, sleek jet black? I have the TD25KV and my cymbals look grey. I've tried a ton of products to make them look like new but nothing has worked.
Indeed, 12" is minimal for a floor tom.
Can I add i extra Tom and cymbal so 3 Crashes or 4 if you include ride and could like I said add a extra crash
Hey, Steezy boi008. Thanks for your interest. You can add a total of 5 other things. One USB so you could add the new digital hi hat, a second ride, or second snare. It also has 4 other aux ins. One is a dedicated crash. The other three are user assignable. They can be either cymbals or toms.
I hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Jason Thiele, Senior Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1391, jason_thiele@sweetwater.com
@@sweetwater thank you and I didn’t know this thing thing could be upgraded to the hi hat 14DH so I will definitely will be ordering soon with those upgrades thank you!
Best review
are you gonna introduce a color screen on your drum modules in this century or do do we have to wait 100 more years?
lol how does it affect anything at all when you’re playing? Roland kits have problems but the screen is a total non issue for anyone who actually spends their time playing
@@cucumbers405 well, that's one opinion. You can ask thousands of serious drummers and some will agree, others won't. But following your argument you would gladly shave off $50 when you could buy for example a bare metal and wooden kit instead of a nice painted drum kit with exactly the same sound (after all, it's only the playing that counts, right)? You do have to look at it for many years, and in an electronic drum kit you're looking at and handling the module all the time. I know drummers who didn't buy a drum kit just for the color it was painted in.
Man. This sounded great! Wishing to get 1 soon but not so soon :p
Great video! Question: If you use double pedal is the bdr pad big enough?
Hey, Dekranz. Thanks so much!
The pad is wide enough for a double pedal.
I hope this helps.
Jason Thiele, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1391, jason_thiele@sweetwater.com
How did you mount the module beyond the rack leg? You must have an additional bracket of some sort? Having a nightmare getting mine setup so that the module doesn't foul the hi-hat!
Your question is 3 years old, so I reckon you've found a solution... but mine is: Remove the module & clamp from the bar. Lower the left horizontal bar, so the outer left stand has approx 5cm of upper space above the bar. Turn the module-clamp 90degrees and mount it on the top of the outer left stand. There you go. :-) Fixed without buying extra accessories.
@bumperfunk thanks for taking the time to reply and help others. I used a clamp and cymbal stand!
How is it that no electronic drum company has figured out how to run electricity through the rack?
They have... you just have to pay extra for it.
I’m guessing that with what you are suggesting the cables would still run through the rack. They need to figure out how to get rid of cables altogether and run signal through the rack. The toms and cymbals are all attached to metal that could be used to transmit signals. Whichever company figures that out will outsell all competitors and change the face of drumming.
Is it worth the extra $1200 over the TD-17kvx?
Where did you get that drum sticks? That looks so cool :D
I’m only here to hear Nick play..
My brother has a hi-hat clutch on his TD-20
My TD-4 can play stick sounds the same way... :)
I didn’t know John Luvitz played the drums.....
This makes me want to throw my Alesis DM6 right out on the street. What amazing realism in sound options and feel. Unfortunately the price is out of range for a lot of non pros. And what's up with the smaller pad as the floor tom??? Still an amazing kit.
Can you use the module to upgrade an older Roland TD-20 kit?
Thanks for the question. You can, but the challenge would be the pads. You wouldn't get the advantage of the digital connectivity unless you have the digital pads. It'd probably make more sense to sell the TD-20 and invest in the new TD-27KV. Let me know if you have further questions.
Derek Senestraro, Senior Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1243, derek_senestraro@sweetwater.com
How or what part do you need to be able to mount the module the way it’s mounted in this video?
Hey, Peter. Thanks so much for reaching out. There is a mounting plate that comes included with the module. If you get the complete kit, all of the parts are included to mount the module to the rack.
I hope this helps.
Jason Thiele, Senior Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1391, jason_thiele@sweetwater.com
Just bought a TD17KVX and within 4 weeks you bring this ... :'-(
man, I will still prefer the sound of the td17kvx over this 27kv. you just bought an awesome ekit! cheers!
Nice bit ‘o kit
what are those headphones? i want to upgrade mine.
Can the 909 and 808 be tuned i.e deep decay (as in are ACB), or are they PCM based?
Hello, Alfie! You can adjust the tuning and the decay length of the onboard samples on the TD27 module. It's quite a simple process. More on this on page 30 of the manual:
static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/TD-27_Reference_eng01_W.pdf
Thanks for the interest!
Cody Kraus, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1766, cody_kraus@sweetwater.com
@@sweetwater Thanks for that Cody!
Td17-kvx on backorder 4-5 weeks out. Is this worth 2x the price?
don't think so really. Look at drum-tec sound library. It makes it sound better for 40bucks
What are the best monitors or speakers for electric drums?
Hello, Major Lee! I would say that really depends on a few things. Depending on the size of the space, there are multiple options. Generally, keyboard amps and PA systems do a good job. KAT percussion makes a drum amplifier that would be good for most practice rooms:
www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KA2--kat-percussion-ka2-digital-drum-amplifier
Give me a call if I can answer anymore questions. Thanks!
Michael Morgan, Sweetwater Sales Engineer, (800) 222-4700 ext. 1607, michael_morgan@sweetwater.com