Jay Leno, cutting off people with Impunity!! He really does drive like an old man. Oh wait, he is an old man!! Love you Jay!! I'm only 10 years younger, so I guess I shouldn't talk too much S#!t...
I remember about 20 years ago seeing a Packard V-12 idling in the car corral at Hershey. It was the most beautiful, and smoothest engine idling sound I've ever heard.
Saw in the news that this vehicle takes 4 days to charge from 0 to 100% in a home with basic electric connection. For $35.000 can put a charger in the house that can reduce the time to 24hrs. No thank!! Nuts!!
that was truly one of the nicest shows ever.Those calm philosophical reflexions on cars,/future in private transportation: a micro salon conference that was extremely enjoyable.I definitely go for Donald's nuanced perspectives in cars, keeping EV, hybrid, internals as the vision for future, each for its own best purpose.Just one little thing: the heaviest Bentley was/is the Mulsanne , at 2,7 tons.But yes, with four guys on board, it will be 3,1 ;-)
"Peirced your Desert Stillness while driving a Hummer!" (A 10,000lb Hummer. 😆) Oh Donald you slay me. Very easy paced honest conversation you boys had about EVs and the yatch you were piloting. Cheers 🇨🇦
Always a pleasure watching Jay and Donald discuss automobiles. Right now they are too darned expensive. Perhaps the new Honda on the Ultium platform will bring the price down to earth.
The price is absurd. And, battery development has a long way to go before EVs are practical for mass adoption. It may get there someday. But. nowadays they work best for people who aren’t towing, carrying heavy loads, or driving long distances in cold and/or hilly roads. People resent the government forcing them down their throats, too. I’m sick of Leno, a guy with over 400 mostly gasoline cars, whining about consumer resistance. There are very real, very practical reasons for that resistance. People aren’t as dumb as Leno makes them out to be. Personally, I could live with an EV because I’m retired and live where most everywhere I need to drive to is close by. So I might buy one someday. But I acknowledge that NOT EVERYONE LIVES LIKE ME. So what works for me isn’t necessarily going to work for you. Leno forgets that.
The concern at this point in time is putting it simply for the point of discussion is, it's a computer on wheels. We accept that from time to time, our electronic devices will freeze up and we have to stop and restart. The FLT channel had this same model Hummer freeze up in traffic. He was stuck in a turn lane with the transmission locked in park. Since everything is electronic, he could not even open the frunk to disconnect the battery to force a restart. The tow tuck arrived and it could not even load it on the the tow truck. For a $100k vehicle this is not acceptable. They eventually found a release for the frunk hidden under the dash and reset the battery so it could at least be limped back to the dealer for repair. Remember this happened in the middle of traffic and was immovable to even get it to the side of the road. I agree with with Mr Osborne where he he said, electric is a future, not the future. This is my opinion, the reader is free to disagree.
An example, just an example. And for the record, the manufacturer is to blame, not the electric vehicle. You have sought out an example to place blame in a misguided attempt at baking the electric car, not the DESIGNERS of said car. Agreed, there is no excuse for that to have happened. Zero excuse. But the fact that it was an electric vehicle is sheer coincidence. Not causation. We’re it a manual transmission and the clutch pedal frozen, you would have had the same occurrence. Would the fault be the internal combustion engine? No. Those who WISH to find fault WILL find fault. On any subject, at any time, and anywhere, fault can be found, when one seeks with such insistence. How many internal combustion engine propelled vehicles have held up traffic and caused problems like in your example, just today, just in the last hour, across America? Dozens. How many electric vehicles have been the cause of same? Good luck finding more than one example in the last 24 hours, much less one hour. At this point you might as well be cheering on the horse and buggy because in short order that is where your argument will lie. I’m not trying to find people wrong or right either, there is no ego here, just facts. I don’t care about being right, and I honestly prefer to be wrong, as being right seldom finds new truths, but being wrong most often does make clearer the truth. And that’s all I care about. The truth.
EVs aren’t the only cars with electronic solutions to problems no one asked about. My friend’s Porsche 911 had a dead battery, which was located in the front trunk that had an electronic release. Why “fix” the “problem” of having a manually actuated release for a car’s hood? No one anticipated that a battery could go dead? My Alfa Giulia stopped in traffic and became immobile after it would not restart and the drive by wire transmission shifter was stuck in Park, so it couldn’t be shifted to neutral and pushed when the car wasn’t running… Just saying, that these computer issues aren’t relegated to just EVs. My issue with the Hummer is that it has the same problem the H2 had back in the day. It is too big and much more inefficient than similar vehicles with the same utility. It has tremendous speed and good range out of sheer force of will (huge heavy batteries which then require more energy to move down the road.). The irony is that GM was pioneering in aerodynamics, light weight, and efficiency with their EV1 back in the mid-1990’s. The Hummer EV is the complete opposite of that ethos.
LOL then stop buying any modern ICE car from the last 20 years. BEVs are not much more computerized than a modern Turbo engine (VW TDi Diesel Gate) and automatic transmission. BMS & Motor Controller is way simpler in some ways than managing all the different parts and different Purposes on a Engine & Transmission. Fact is BEVs will be more resilient, tougher and reliable than modern ICE cars. To insinuate the opposite is a Lie. Your opinion is WRONG because you are ignoring FACTs.
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These are 9k lbs., not 10k. But yeah that's a bit scary. Won't be long before a soccer Mom plows into a family in a normal 3,800 lb. car and kills them all with barely a scratch on the Hummer.
Be a crime to hide a early Taurus SHO motor. that being said I think the modern engine covers were designed for Chipmunks to use as warm homes after you return home from work.
GMC knocked it out of the park with this. It's beautiful, great interior, insanely fast, great range, tow capacity... best thing they've done in a long time.
not entirely accurate on horses though, the horse population in the US peaked at 26.5 million in 1915, but its at about 7.3 million today, so the number of horses alive dropped by nearly 73% as cars became common, the 1920s and '30s were probably good decades to be in the dog food industry
I like both of your takes on the future of electric vehicles being a part of the overall equation, not the only one as many politicians (California….) and so many environmentalists insist upon. Considering the costs, not only for the vehicle but folks adding quick-chargers to their homes, 240 outlets, perhaps having to increase the amp service to their homes, the monthly electric bill and/or adding solar, multi-dwelling units, and so much more, it will be prohibitive to a vast majority.
LOL that is absurd nonsense. No such thing as Quick Chargers for homes. The affordable method is a NEMA 14-50 "Dryer" plug delivering 32 amps which is easy for most residential properties. Higher amperage Level 2 240v permanently installed EVSE are only for people who can afford it but not necessary. Typically only 1.5x faster and mainly for Ergonomic Ease of Use. Monthly electric bill will rise but it's still A FRACTION of the cost fuel even if there was an imaginary 70% tax. It's a better deal when you are replacing the cost of fuel. You are soo brainwashed by Political Agenda you have no clue about the electrical engineering. Please stop spreading Nonsense
It's funny...when Jay drives he always looks like he is peeking over a neighbors fence. Love getting old. Wife on list for this! Still have our mint 06 H2. Raised the family in it.
LOL erroneous Lies. Current BEV cannon ball run record is 42hrs 17 minutes for freaking 2,800 miles. That's 1,600 miles in a day. No one wants to drive that intensely for long periods in a passenger car. Your silly hypothetical is Not Practical.
EVs are the solution to a problem we don't have - which is what to use the more than 100% renewable electricity for (that no country except Norway has). I am all for creating that but right now it makes no sense to have an electric car but let my fridge run on electricity from a coal fired plant. Energy first, cars later.
Perhaps it uses to much electricity? Which has to come from somewhere, and thru transmission lines made of copper. You are also driving a battering Ram. You gentlemen should read “Desert Solitude”, by Edward Abbey. I agree with Donald, “it’s a future, not the complete future”.
Why do people think electricity is free and not pollution prone. Unless your electricity is hydro its's causing pollution. We all pay for free recharge hookups.
Solar and wind are quickly overtaking solar, and in some areas already have. Most of the charging stations being installed are being installed by private for profit firms.
13:52 Jay nailed it, but I'd like to add that power=waste. No way around it. When we used horses to for work cities became very polluted with poop & dead horses. This created disease & serious health concerns. While different then combustion engine pollution, or the pollution created by making batteries for electric vehicles still a VALID concern apparently. Power=Waste. No way around that problem. Magnetics maybe? You know anything about that flying saucer tech hidden in area 51😂❤🏁 (with that said I would love a reliable V12 😂)
Soo the Silverado EV & GMC Sierra EV. Problem is the battery and drive train is soo bulky and low density it's inefficient and poor range even for the sector. Seems like a bad design which needs lot of improvement to match competition.
It's the price for me , I have a new Tahoe premire , a superbird , 5th gen camaro and others ..all of which cost me less in gas then the price of most electric cars that are that much fun .. I paid 62 k for my tahoe , the cost of the new Hummer i'd have 8 years in gas costs , and it is a 6k lb truck ... Just saying lol :) :) :) :
@@V8_screw_electric_cars words of the ignorant. So you don’t have to keep putting gasoline in your internal combustion engine powered vehicle? Junk, you say?
So what are you comparing then? The price of the gas used to propel your current vehicles, is being compared to the cost of these new electric cars? You said you got a Tahoe Premiere for $60? Maybe used. If that. And if comparing gasoline to electricity there is no competition. How much is a Superbird comparable to yours today? And it’s more fun than a comparable electric car? Define fun. Some forms of fun can’t be recreated. Agreed. I like nothing more than making long smoky elevens down the street. I’m a gearhead’s gearhead. But if you like the sensation of rapid acceleration, even a relatively cheap EV will smoke your Superbird at the drag strip all day long. In fact, even a cheaper EV will smoke some of the fastest ICE powered cars on earth. Your Superbird would require tens of thousands of dollars to approach the performance of a Hellcat. And at that, that’ll cost between $80,000-$110,000. Take an average REAL Superbird, easily $50,000+, and make it as. Fast as a Hellcat, and you’re looking at over $100,000. For that you can buy any of several different electric cars which will slay a Hellcat in the drag strip. That might not equal the fun you are talking about, and my idea of fun includes to rumble of my Hemi engine. But the argument leaves a lot of holes in it. You included expense as part of your argument, and including that was a mistake. One day, when you and I both get to experience the push of an electric car, once they get the visceral experience to approach that of our favorite musclecars, we will both smile and admit we were wrong. That day is not as far away as you might think, and the price will not be the issue for long. The sensation of riding a good quarter horse or cutting horse cannot be replaced by a muscle car either, but even though my grandfather was a legendary breeder of both types of horses and founder of the South Carolina Quarter Horse Association, many decades ago, I can’t keep a thoroughbred cutting horse around for my pleasure. I wish I could could, cause that is visceral muscle that will love you back. Where do you think they got the names horsepower and quarter mile drag race anyway? The truth is that electric cars are simply twice as efficient as internal combustion engines. Would you prefer a horse over a muscle car? I wouldn’t. But maybe 100 years ago I would have been making the same argument against cars. Chew on that for a bit. Get it? My grandfather also was legendary for beach racing and winning with both horses and cars back in the day. He liked both, and was good at both. We should all take a lesson from our elders. Remember. Cars will never replace the horse-drawn carriage. Never. Who can keep stopping and adding some stupid thing called gasoline anyway? That’s just dumb! History repeats itself in some funny ways. Let’s keep this funny before it gets too serious. The more people try to decry electric vehicles, the more antagonistic the climate will become, and it’s already bad enough. We don’t need it worse. Had our culture been the way it is today back in the turn of the century, the baddies would most likely have won WWI. Think about it. It just comes down to efficiency, and on that there is no comparison. And even if ALL of the power used to propel electric cars came from fossil fuels, it would STILL never eclipse the use of fossil fuels by the internal combustion engine.
@@davidralph8250 Bi-Focals have the close distance part at the bottom. If that was the case, he would have his head tipped forward, not back. I always find it weird that Jay never wears sunglasses when driving, even in the bright LA sun.
@@gotham61 I really do not know how one adjusts for different visual fields in contacts. Lower portion for viewing the instruments on the dash? When I had them, primarily for running several years ago, they were single vision. I had to have readers to use them for anything close since both were set for distance. I understand there are now progressive contacts, which would mean progressive degrees of head tilt. So, I have no answer. I wore sunglasses with my contacts.
I'm wondering how the lack of noise and the weight will affect traffic safety. In everyday traffic, I regularly notice how traffic participants of all modes do not look to the side or behind them before they turn because they take the lack of noise from that direction as an indicator that nobody is coming towards them. Imagine you're pedestrian (cyclist, motorcyclist, etc...) involved in a situation like this and with a heavy vehicle like this... I sincerely hope GMC has developed amazing brakes, electronic safeguards and remarkable tires to protect us all on the roads when we happen to meet this electric pickup truck out there.
I like the body configration , especally removable roof panels , and Jay looks almost normal size in this one !. That would be tire resonance, Mr. Osborne and there is no future for cars , just look up -Joby.
The whole EV versus ICE argument comes down to one thing and one thing only. Efficiency. This coming from a hardcore, V8 only, tire smoking, WOT most of the time, gear head. Over the last one hundred years, ALL of the resources known to mankind, more money than mankind has ever known at any given time, has been spent to eek out a few percent here and a few percent there, growing from roughly 15% when the first internal combustion engines were created, and culminating with 40% efficiency, on the very HIGHEST end of efficiency for the ICE. REMEMBER, no expense has been spared to gain even 1% at a time. If the world’s automakers had suddenly discovered a way to gain 5% efficiency, some CEOs would faint. To gain 10% would all but stop the earth on its axis, with very little exaggeration here. Think about that for a minute and tell me I’m wrong. I’m waiting. If I’m wrong, so be it, I LOVE to be wrong, as my chief motivator is the truth. The lengths that automakers go to save ANY percentage on efficiency or emissions is barely calculable, even for a few percentage points. What if they suddenly gained 40 percentage points on efficiency and 100 percent on emissions? They would lose their proverbial shit. Yet, here we are. Those numbers are on the LOW side. An electric motor making 80% efficiency is a poor performer and frankly uncommon nowadays. And don’t even try to insult me by trying to include the manufacture of batteries and the cars themselves and the creation of the electricity. Do the same for ICE cars and your argument becomes a sieve. It’s not even a comparison. Do you really think that mining iron ore is pound for pound or per vehicle much better than lithium? Insult me all you want. Don’t insult yourself or those around you with your foolish argument. Besides the creation of the “fuel” or the of the vehicle itself, the conversion of fuel into energy is DOUBLE, at the very least, with electric motors compared to ICE. IN FACT, one could even throw in erroneous arguments about lithium mining and coal fired energy plants and electric motors would STILL bury any argument about which type of propulsion system is better. Range anxiety, towing problems, are all made comparing apples with dinosaur blood. Make an accurate comparison and you’ll realized there isn’t even a comparison to be made. 85-90% efficiency beats 35-40% efficiency all day, every day. I’ll miss smoking the tires on my modern Hemi wagon, but I’ll still be able to do it, just not as often.
Hummer EV weighs a ridiculous 9,063 pounds (2,900+ lbs battery pack alone!). The gross weight rating (GVWR) comes in at 10,660 pounds. What??? All that efficiency talk ... A 9,000 lbs vehicle to only carry an additional 1,600 lbs. I get the tow capacity but the GVWR is funny when you look at those numbers. Five 250lbs person's and then a grocery shopping trip at Walmart is all you get, folks. Haha
In Europe 95% of people aren't even allowed to drive it as it is too heavy to be classified as a car - you would need a professional trucker license to drive it.
What's old is new again. Luxury cars were very popular for a very long time because of their elegance, quietness inside. Even mid-level cars like the Ford LTD in the 70s had advertising that bragged about how quiet the car was. And that went away as luxury cars became more sporty, as did trucks with Hemis and exhaust pipes that are 3 inches across. Now there's this which everyone seems to like along with the Ford Lightning.
Donald tends to drive within the confine of his lane........Jay likes to make his own lane using the lane edge line as a center-point. Doesn't the Hummer have 'self-driving' features like lane-keep? If so, somebody needs to tell Jay.
The immediate future is EVs with internal combustion range extenders because we cannot see internal combustion range on foreseeable battery technology right now.
I wouldn't call 58% a vast majority. Electric is much more efficient cause gas releases a lot of energy as heat even if it isn't all powered by renewables. Electric pushing a 10,000 lb car probably still probably isn't the best use case though
Remember that the various of electricity sources that makeup what charges our EV vehicles can change over time and in the future cars might get more electricity from renewables like solar or wind in the future. Electricity can be made by many different means unlike gas/petrol which comes from just one source, oil pumped from the ground.
The present problem with electric cars is that "running out of gas" is ignored. If you drove enough you eventually ran out of gas. Disgusted you would walk to a gas station or have a tow truck deliver a container of gas, spend a minute putting it into the gas tank, and then you'd have 30km worth of gas and could almost certainly get to a gas station. How does that work with an electric car? Hours (in the field) to get enough "gas" to get anywhere and then a day to get it fully recharged. This will change. The range of modern electric cars rival gas powered cars but the gas station fill up time must be reduced and it will. But it's not there yet. As far as gasoline powered cars go, that will end. California will just ban gasoline sales, and it'll be over.
But the hummer is still an energy guzzler, you'll learn about that when you receive the electric bill! I'm sure it is still cheaper to operate than a gas Hummer H2 or H1.
About 1/2 the fuel cost of a Diesel or Gas Hummer but it's still an Electron Guzzler. It did not need to be this bad, but somehow GMC is a record holder right now for a consumer vehicle with highest kWh per Mile.
Exactly. It's not magic, still needs a coal or natural gas power plant to generate the electricity. Maybe when all electricity on the planet is generated by wind, solar or water it won't be an energy guzzler.
Horses are still the best technology! Get yer dang rollers off my roads! When the founders came up with America they didn’t say anything about cars, gas or magictricity.
Making huge EVs is insanely inefficient... The smaller the EV, and the more stop-start city driving it does, the better. This thing is stupid and will almost certainly depreciate like a bookshelf falling down a staircase. Well, maybe this won't so much, but those Ford Lightnings will. Still, the Hummer is gonna look badass rolling up to the party for your new rap album. So there's that.
My 7yr old never had any fear. That girl would be screeming yes, if i tell them im gonna go hard in My wife her Suzuki Swift I own a ram1500 , so no sporty driving there. My son 10 years old says no i dont like it. He drove pitbikes, rookie kart, 70cc qaud. Nothing.....
I wanna see them shift one down. The rest up. Braking is fear! Wanna see them in a car and kick the back out. Thank god they love the sound of my 5.7hemi straightpipe. Love from the Netherlands where a ram 1500 5.7l 4x4 is about as crazy you van get. I make petrol heads. Greetings from the Netherlands. Tesla Capitol of the world!
Given the many downsides of EVs we would be better off just putting massive taxes on fossil fuels, and then give every citizen an instant rebate equal to the average cost of living increase, then let private industry find the best alternatives. This way those who save more, get to keep more, and those who waste a lot, will pay more. Even if climate was not a problem, fossil fuels create massive particulate pollution, and add to world conflict.
That 308 mile range will half or worse with a tow on, something ice doesn’t do. The average loss of 10-15% is big for most. Some lose less with aerodynamic efficiency. So still I say until they can beat my wifes Honda Odyssey in turn radius, mpg, and price per options, I say they’re toys of the idle rich, or those who wish they were. If they can’t even beat a 10 year old mini van they haven’t done squat, except party tricks to sell junk.
LOL You are delusional if you think anyone is going to needs a HUMMER to tow stuff. Yes this is a toy for the rich only about 10,000 units annually will be built. A freaking Honda Odyssey which has sold 2.8 Million units over the brand's lifetime as of 2021 is comparing apples and oranges. This vehicle does no need to be practical and has no relation to other more practical BEVs. The battery system is silly outdated and not viable on other BEVs. The HUMMER does not need to be more practical than a Honda Odyssey. You have no clue what you are talking about.
@@Neojhun actually I do know what I am talking about. All my points are facts and yours are opinions, and like assholes we all got em, most of ours aren’t in the middle of our faces though. Why not just take other opinions in and absorb and learn. Instead of being lead by your testicles about like a cuck.
@@Neojhun now that is a valid point, I am speaking from a normal person spending money though. Not about the idle rich and rock stars who could care less about money spent per usable mile. I would rather drive a Lamborghini than any Honda, but will never afford one, so I made a reasonable comparison for my world. I am all for electric, been a fan of Nicola Tesla for years, just not a fan of irrational spending based on what rich people do, I’m not a cuck or moron.
4:30 It may be time for Jay to retake his #DriversLicenseTest That or the camera vehicle needs to hire a different driver because a professional would think ahead & realize there needs to be enough gap for 2 vehicles
I love Jay with cars. But he's delusional here. Larger batteries = longer range = much longer charging times. AND he's lost touch. People rushing to work, or picking up the kids won't be able to leisurely sit down for lunch while their car charges. The range needs to be longer and the charge times need to be much shorter. The technology (and infrastructure) need some scientific breakthroughs to improve where electric cars are even a reasonable alternative for the average person.. AND when's the last time Jay looked at an electric bill?
If Governor Newson get's his way and every car is electric, what happens to California's failing electric grid? They already have to ration power and have brown outs.
That is simply not true. In the last 365 days California residents were asked to delay charging for a total of .04% of available charging time. Making things to complain about is telling.
The Hummer EV is super expensive piece of Crap....watch what happened to guys on TFL with their White Elephant 👇👀 ua-cam.com/video/uIXfp7pVFV4/v-deo.html
Toyota, The worlds largest vehicle manufacturer with a sterling reputation seems more interested in Hybrid systems. I’m suspicious that the only thing EV brings to the table is torque and fashion
Yeah little or no maintenance, right wait until you have to replace the battery pack, no offense you are rich so you can get another one, but us working poor would not be able to afford $20,000 plus for a new battery pack and then there is a question of fire hazard with lithium batteries, ask yourself could you get yourself and your passenger out if the EV decides to do a melt down, in a ICE vehicle the average time to get out of a fuel fire is roughly 30 seconds, the average time of an EV is 10 seconds from the time you noticed that white toxic smoke. I believe that we are pushing the technology onto the market to fast, yes we need EVs but there are too many issues that needs to be addressed first, besides the fire hazard, the materials used are really toxic, not to mention that most of the mines are controlled by China and they often use child labor. I am not against EVs ,but these issues will have to be addressed before I would buy them.
Jay Leno, cutting off people with Impunity!! He really does drive like an old man. Oh wait, he is an old man!! Love you Jay!! I'm only 10 years younger, so I guess I shouldn't talk too much S#!t...
He drives like he's lost eyesight but doesn't want to admit it or wear glasses.
I remember about 20 years ago seeing a Packard V-12 idling in the car corral at Hershey. It was the most beautiful, and smoothest engine idling sound I've ever heard.
Saw in the news that this vehicle takes 4 days to charge from 0 to 100% in a home with basic electric connection. For $35.000 can put a charger in the house that can reduce the time to 24hrs. No thank!! Nuts!!
Jay seems more relaxed on the East Coast. His humor flows smoother. ie “it’s like a building going down the road” 😅🤣
that was truly one of the nicest shows ever.Those calm philosophical reflexions on cars,/future in private transportation: a micro salon conference that was extremely enjoyable.I definitely go for Donald's nuanced perspectives in cars, keeping EV, hybrid, internals as the vision for future, each for its own best purpose.Just one little thing: the heaviest Bentley was/is the Mulsanne , at 2,7 tons.But yes, with four guys on board, it will be 3,1 ;-)
"Peirced your Desert Stillness while driving a Hummer!" (A 10,000lb Hummer. 😆)
Oh Donald you slay me.
Very easy paced honest conversation you boys had about EVs and the yatch you were piloting. Cheers 🇨🇦
100,000lbs Boulder in the desert is quite still. This boulder just moves surprisingly quick.
Always a pleasure watching Jay and Donald discuss automobiles. Right now they are too darned expensive. Perhaps the new Honda on the Ultium platform will bring the price down to earth.
The price is absurd. And, battery development has a long way to go before EVs are practical for mass adoption. It may get there someday. But. nowadays they work best for people who aren’t towing, carrying heavy loads, or driving long distances in cold and/or hilly roads. People resent the government forcing them down their throats, too. I’m sick of Leno, a guy with over 400 mostly gasoline cars, whining about consumer resistance. There are very real, very practical reasons for that resistance. People aren’t as dumb as Leno makes them out to be. Personally, I could live with an EV because I’m retired and live where most everywhere I need to drive to is close by. So I might buy one someday. But I acknowledge that NOT EVERYONE LIVES LIKE ME. So what works for me isn’t necessarily going to work for you. Leno forgets that.
Well said. You didn't mention having to charge every 200-250 miles. Add another hour to your trip. EV just isn't mature enough for mass consumption.
Don: "can you?"
The attitude of adventure!
The concern at this point in time is putting it simply for the point of discussion is, it's a computer on wheels. We accept that from time to time, our electronic devices will freeze up and we have to stop and restart. The FLT channel had this same model Hummer freeze up in traffic. He was stuck in a turn lane with the transmission locked in park. Since everything is electronic, he could not even open the frunk to disconnect the battery to force a restart. The tow tuck arrived and it could not even load it on the the tow truck. For a $100k vehicle this is not acceptable. They eventually found a release for the frunk hidden under the dash and reset the battery so it could at least be limped back to the dealer for repair. Remember this happened in the middle of traffic and was immovable to even get it to the side of the road. I agree with with Mr Osborne where he he said, electric is a future, not the future. This is my opinion, the reader is free to disagree.
An example, just an example. And for the record, the manufacturer is to blame, not the electric vehicle. You have sought out an example to place blame in a misguided attempt at baking the electric car, not the DESIGNERS of said car. Agreed, there is no excuse for that to have happened. Zero excuse. But the fact that it was an electric vehicle is sheer coincidence. Not causation. We’re it a manual transmission and the clutch pedal frozen, you would have had the same occurrence. Would the fault be the internal combustion engine? No. Those who WISH to find fault WILL find fault. On any subject, at any time, and anywhere, fault can be found, when one seeks with such insistence. How many internal combustion engine propelled vehicles have held up traffic and caused problems like in your example, just today, just in the last hour, across America? Dozens. How many electric vehicles have been the cause of same? Good luck finding more than one example in the last 24 hours, much less one hour. At this point you might as well be cheering on the horse and buggy because in short order that is where your argument will lie. I’m not trying to find people wrong or right either, there is no ego here, just facts. I don’t care about being right, and I honestly prefer to be wrong, as being right seldom finds new truths, but being wrong most often does make clearer the truth. And that’s all I care about. The truth.
Typical GM (General Misery) product. Lack of QC is still USA's biggest problem.
EVs aren’t the only cars with electronic solutions to problems no one asked about. My friend’s Porsche 911 had a dead battery, which was located in the front trunk that had an electronic release. Why “fix” the “problem” of having a manually actuated release for a car’s hood? No one anticipated that a battery could go dead?
My Alfa Giulia stopped in traffic and became immobile after it would not restart and the drive by wire transmission shifter was stuck in Park, so it couldn’t be shifted to neutral and pushed when the car wasn’t running…
Just saying, that these computer issues aren’t relegated to just EVs.
My issue with the Hummer is that it has the same problem the H2 had back in the day. It is too big and much more inefficient than similar vehicles with the same utility. It has tremendous speed and good range out of sheer force of will (huge heavy batteries which then require more energy to move down the road.).
The irony is that GM was pioneering in aerodynamics, light weight, and efficiency with their EV1 back in the mid-1990’s. The Hummer EV is the complete opposite of that ethos.
LOL then stop buying any modern ICE car from the last 20 years. BEVs are not much more computerized than a modern Turbo engine (VW TDi Diesel Gate) and automatic transmission. BMS & Motor Controller is way simpler in some ways than managing all the different parts and different Purposes on a Engine & Transmission. Fact is BEVs will be more resilient, tougher and reliable than modern ICE cars. To insinuate the opposite is a Lie. Your opinion is WRONG because you are ignoring FACTs.
Jay Leno's boy has real class in this one.
I love how you guys drive over the same bridge I drive my electric bicycle over several times a week.
I did not know of Audrain before this video; have since subscribed to his channel. Very good conversation regarding this Hummer.
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It’s nice how that bigass hummer can cut in front of another car without a worry in the world.
The investment GM put into that vehicle is tremendous I hope it doesn't break them
You guy's are great together ❤️ 👏 👍
Jay “it’s a bit like square dancing with the fat lady, it’s amazing it does it at all” LOL good one
Thanks Donald and Jay!
Donald’s word of choice for this video: “interesting”
These are 9k lbs., not 10k. But yeah that's a bit scary. Won't be long before a soccer Mom plows into a family in a normal 3,800 lb. car and kills them all with barely a scratch on the Hummer.
Be a crime to hide a early Taurus SHO motor. that being said I think the modern engine covers were designed for Chipmunks to use as warm homes after you return home from work.
GMC knocked it out of the park with this. It's beautiful, great interior, insanely fast, great range, tow capacity... best thing they've done in a long time.
Listening to these gentlemen. Is like reading an auto journal. Still wouldn't buy a Hummer though.👍🔥😎💖🤑💗
Me gustaria tener algunos de los autos de Leno pero envidio la sonrisa y la elegancia de Osborne
Osborne reminds me of Leo G Carroll from the movie, Father of the Bride (1950)
He knows all the protocols in many situations
not entirely accurate on horses though, the horse population in the US peaked at 26.5 million in 1915, but its at about 7.3 million today, so the number of horses alive dropped by nearly 73% as cars became common, the 1920s and '30s were probably good decades to be in the dog food industry
Is this the first time in decades I've seen Jay's arms not covered by denim?
Ridiculously oversized, so, fits perfectly in the US... 🙂
I like both of your takes on the future of electric vehicles being a part of the overall equation, not the only one as many politicians (California….) and so many environmentalists insist upon.
Considering the costs, not only for the vehicle but folks adding quick-chargers to their homes, 240 outlets, perhaps having to increase the amp service to their homes, the monthly electric bill and/or adding solar, multi-dwelling units, and so much more, it will be prohibitive to a vast majority.
LOL that is absurd nonsense. No such thing as Quick Chargers for homes. The affordable method is a NEMA 14-50 "Dryer" plug delivering 32 amps which is easy for most residential properties. Higher amperage Level 2 240v permanently installed EVSE are only for people who can afford it but not necessary. Typically only 1.5x faster and mainly for Ergonomic Ease of Use. Monthly electric bill will rise but it's still A FRACTION of the cost fuel even if there was an imaginary 70% tax. It's a better deal when you are replacing the cost of fuel. You are soo brainwashed by Political Agenda you have no clue about the electrical engineering. Please stop spreading Nonsense
It's funny...when Jay drives he always looks like he is peeking over a neighbors fence. Love getting old. Wife on list for this! Still have our mint 06 H2. Raised the family in it.
He drives like he's lost eyesight but doesn't want to admit it or wear glasses.
Jay's next Family Truckster!
Your point about predicting the future is well taken, Donald. The near and intermediate term prospects of EVs are far from certain.
The main reason why he is correct is Limited Manufacturing Supply will require a varied mix of power train types for at least the next 2 decades.
I'll subscribe when Donald promises to quit singing in these videos
Airlines? Jay hasn't been on a commercial flight in 40 years!
The family and I drove 950 miles on day one, for vacation. Filled up at Costco’s along the way. Could never have done that in an EV.
LOL erroneous Lies. Current BEV cannon ball run record is 42hrs 17 minutes for freaking 2,800 miles. That's 1,600 miles in a day. No one wants to drive that intensely for long periods in a passenger car. Your silly hypothetical is Not Practical.
EVs are the solution to a problem we don't have - which is what to use the more than 100% renewable electricity for (that no country except Norway has). I am all for creating that but right now it makes no sense to have an electric car but let my fridge run on electricity from a coal fired plant. Energy first, cars later.
Perhaps it uses to much electricity? Which has to come from somewhere, and thru transmission lines made of copper. You are also driving a battering Ram. You gentlemen should read “Desert Solitude”, by Edward Abbey. I agree with Donald, “it’s a future, not the complete future”.
Why do people think electricity is free and not pollution prone. Unless your electricity is hydro its's causing pollution. We all pay for free recharge hookups.
Solar and wind are quickly overtaking solar, and in some areas already have. Most of the charging stations being installed are being installed by private for profit firms.
1:28 This is why the only hybrids I like are the Honda CR-Z and the LaFerrari.
13:52 Jay nailed it, but I'd like to add that power=waste. No way around it. When we used horses to for work cities became very polluted with poop & dead horses. This created disease & serious health concerns. While different then combustion engine pollution, or the pollution created by making batteries for electric vehicles still a VALID concern apparently. Power=Waste. No way around that problem. Magnetics maybe? You know anything about that flying saucer tech hidden in area 51😂❤🏁 (with that said I would love a reliable V12 😂)
That thing is seriously good looking. GM should make smaller version of it and sell for less, they can make a killing.
Soo the Silverado EV & GMC Sierra EV. Problem is the battery and drive train is soo bulky and low density it's inefficient and poor range even for the sector. Seems like a bad design which needs lot of improvement to match competition.
@@Neojhun The GMC Denali just announced will have 400 miles of range per GM. That is highest range in business. What are you smoking?
It's the price for me , I have a new Tahoe premire , a superbird , 5th gen camaro and others ..all of which cost me less in gas then the price of most electric cars that are that much fun .. I paid 62 k for my tahoe , the cost of the new Hummer i'd have 8 years in gas costs , and it is a 6k lb truck ... Just saying lol :) :) :) :
Not to mention this hummer is a throwaway junk and you have to keep charging it all the time you can go insane from this.
@@V8_screw_electric_cars words of the ignorant. So you don’t have to keep putting gasoline in your internal combustion engine powered vehicle? Junk, you say?
So what are you comparing then? The price of the gas used to propel your current vehicles, is being compared to the cost of these new electric cars? You said you got a Tahoe Premiere for $60? Maybe used. If that. And if comparing gasoline to electricity there is no competition. How much is a Superbird comparable to yours today? And it’s more fun than a comparable electric car? Define fun. Some forms of fun can’t be recreated. Agreed. I like nothing more than making long smoky elevens down the street. I’m a gearhead’s gearhead. But if you like the sensation of rapid acceleration, even a relatively cheap EV will smoke your Superbird at the drag strip all day long. In fact, even a cheaper EV will smoke some of the fastest ICE powered cars on earth. Your Superbird would require tens of thousands of dollars to approach the performance of a Hellcat. And at that, that’ll cost between $80,000-$110,000. Take an average REAL Superbird, easily $50,000+, and make it as. Fast as a Hellcat, and you’re looking at over $100,000. For that you can buy any of several different electric cars which will slay a Hellcat in the drag strip. That might not equal the fun you are talking about, and my idea of fun includes to rumble of my Hemi engine. But the argument leaves a lot of holes in it. You included expense as part of your argument, and including that was a mistake. One day, when you and I both get to experience the push of an electric car, once they get the visceral experience to approach that of our favorite musclecars, we will both smile and admit we were wrong. That day is not as far away as you might think, and the price will not be the issue for long. The sensation of riding a good quarter horse or cutting horse cannot be replaced by a muscle car either, but even though my grandfather was a legendary breeder of both types of horses and founder of the South Carolina Quarter Horse Association, many decades ago, I can’t keep a thoroughbred cutting horse around for my pleasure. I wish I could could, cause that is visceral muscle that will love you back. Where do you think they got the names horsepower and quarter mile drag race anyway? The truth is that electric cars are simply twice as efficient as internal combustion engines. Would you prefer a horse over a muscle car? I wouldn’t. But maybe 100 years ago I would have been making the same argument against cars. Chew on that for a bit. Get it? My grandfather also was legendary for beach racing and winning with both horses and cars back in the day. He liked both, and was good at both. We should all take a lesson from our elders. Remember. Cars will never replace the horse-drawn carriage. Never. Who can keep stopping and adding some stupid thing called gasoline anyway? That’s just dumb! History repeats itself in some funny ways. Let’s keep this funny before it gets too serious. The more people try to decry electric vehicles, the more antagonistic the climate will become, and it’s already bad enough. We don’t need it worse. Had our culture been the way it is today back in the turn of the century, the baddies would most likely have won WWI. Think about it. It just comes down to efficiency, and on that there is no comparison. And even if ALL of the power used to propel electric cars came from fossil fuels, it would STILL never eclipse the use of fossil fuels by the internal combustion engine.
@@andrewhigdon8346 It takes one minute and I don't have to replace tank because it loses capacity.
@@andrewhigdon8346 Too long electric fanboy gibberish didn't read.
Why does Jay tilt his head back when driving?
Bifocal contact lenses? He’s 72.
Star Gazer
@@davidralph8250 Bi-Focals have the close distance part at the bottom. If that was the case, he would have his head tipped forward, not back.
I always find it weird that Jay never wears sunglasses when driving, even in the bright LA sun.
@@gotham61 I really do not know how one adjusts for different visual fields in contacts. Lower portion for viewing the instruments on the dash? When I had them, primarily for running several years ago, they were single vision. I had to have readers to use them for anything close since both were set for distance. I understand there are now progressive contacts, which would mean progressive degrees of head tilt. So, I have no answer. I wore sunglasses with my contacts.
He drives like he's lost eyesight but doesn't want to admit it or wear glasses.
I'm wondering how the lack of noise and the weight will affect traffic safety. In everyday traffic, I regularly notice how traffic participants of all modes do not look to the side or behind them before they turn because they take the lack of noise from that direction as an indicator that nobody is coming towards them. Imagine you're pedestrian (cyclist, motorcyclist, etc...) involved in a situation like this and with a heavy vehicle like this... I sincerely hope GMC has developed amazing brakes, electronic safeguards and remarkable tires to protect us all on the roads when we happen to meet this electric pickup truck out there.
Tag Jay👍
I wanna show him around in the Netherlands. I work at Circuit Zandvoort too!!!
Can show him everything he wants to see!!!😘
I like the body configration , especally removable roof panels , and Jay looks almost normal size in this one !. That would be tire resonance, Mr. Osborne and there is no future for cars , just look up -Joby.
So , a great idea for Dennys' , come in for a meal and charge your vehicle , we'll put it on your tab .
I've had a model Y for 30k and my clapped out 08 Prius rides smoother. It's maddening how bouncy it is.
The whole EV versus ICE argument comes down to one thing and one thing only. Efficiency. This coming from a hardcore, V8 only, tire smoking, WOT most of the time, gear head. Over the last one hundred years, ALL of the resources known to mankind, more money than mankind has ever known at any given time, has been spent to eek out a few percent here and a few percent there, growing from roughly 15% when the first internal combustion engines were created, and culminating with 40% efficiency, on the very HIGHEST end of efficiency for the ICE. REMEMBER, no expense has been spared to gain even 1% at a time. If the world’s automakers had suddenly discovered a way to gain 5% efficiency, some CEOs would faint. To gain 10% would all but stop the earth on its axis, with very little exaggeration here. Think about that for a minute and tell me I’m wrong. I’m waiting. If I’m wrong, so be it, I LOVE to be wrong, as my chief motivator is the truth. The lengths that automakers go to save ANY percentage on efficiency or emissions is barely calculable, even for a few percentage points. What if they suddenly gained 40 percentage points on efficiency and 100 percent on emissions? They would lose their proverbial shit. Yet, here we are. Those numbers are on the LOW side. An electric motor making 80% efficiency is a poor performer and frankly uncommon nowadays. And don’t even try to insult me by trying to include the manufacture of batteries and the cars themselves and the creation of the electricity. Do the same for ICE cars and your argument becomes a sieve. It’s not even a comparison. Do you really think that mining iron ore is pound for pound or per vehicle much better than lithium? Insult me all you want. Don’t insult yourself or those around you with your foolish argument. Besides the creation of the “fuel” or the of the vehicle itself, the conversion of fuel into energy is DOUBLE, at the very least, with electric motors compared to ICE. IN FACT, one could even throw in erroneous arguments about lithium mining and coal fired energy plants and electric motors would STILL bury any argument about which type of propulsion system is better. Range anxiety, towing problems, are all made comparing apples with dinosaur blood. Make an accurate comparison and you’ll realized there isn’t even a comparison to be made. 85-90% efficiency beats 35-40% efficiency all day, every day. I’ll miss smoking the tires on my modern Hemi wagon, but I’ll still be able to do it, just not as often.
Hummer EV weighs a ridiculous 9,063 pounds (2,900+ lbs battery pack alone!). The gross weight rating (GVWR) comes in at 10,660 pounds. What??? All that efficiency talk ... A 9,000 lbs vehicle to only carry an additional 1,600 lbs. I get the tow capacity but the GVWR is funny when you look at those numbers. Five 250lbs person's and then a grocery shopping trip at Walmart is all you get, folks. Haha
In Europe 95% of people aren't even allowed to drive it as it is too heavy to be classified as a car - you would need a professional trucker license to drive it.
When you tow the range is only around the Block!
What's old is new again. Luxury cars were very popular for a very long time because of their elegance, quietness inside. Even mid-level cars like the Ford LTD in the 70s had advertising that bragged about how quiet the car was. And that went away as luxury cars became more sporty, as did trucks with Hemis and exhaust pipes that are 3 inches across. Now there's this which everyone seems to like along with the Ford Lightning.
Do you like charging your 5000 truck for 2 days to go anywhere? What a stupid idea.
Donald tends to drive within the confine of his lane........Jay likes to make his own lane using the lane edge line as a center-point. Doesn't the Hummer have 'self-driving' features like lane-keep? If so, somebody needs to tell Jay.
The immediate future is EVs with internal combustion range extenders because we cannot see internal combustion range on foreseeable battery technology right now.
Someone should tell Jay that the vast majority of electricity comes from natural gas and coal.
I wouldn't call 58% a vast majority. Electric is much more efficient cause gas releases a lot of energy as heat even if it isn't all powered by renewables. Electric pushing a 10,000 lb car probably still probably isn't the best use case though
Remember that the various of electricity sources that makeup what charges our EV vehicles can change over time and in the future cars might get more electricity from renewables like solar or wind in the future. Electricity can be made by many different means unlike gas/petrol which comes from just one source, oil pumped from the ground.
@@Charlesb88 probably more nuclear
Thats what makes electric cars hilarious is they still destroy the world. Lol so all take my gas engine please
@@Charlesb88 facts. Best point lately. Next to mine above. There is no contest.
The present problem with electric cars is that "running out of gas" is ignored. If you drove enough you eventually ran out of gas. Disgusted you would walk to a gas station or have a tow truck deliver a container of gas, spend a minute putting it into the gas tank, and then you'd have 30km worth of gas and could almost certainly get to a gas station. How does that work with an electric car? Hours (in the field) to get enough "gas" to get anywhere and then a day to get it fully recharged. This will change. The range of modern electric cars rival gas powered cars but the gas station fill up time must be reduced and it will. But it's not there yet. As far as gasoline powered cars go, that will end. California will just ban gasoline sales, and it'll be over.
Interesting discussion, but why does Jay look like he’s driving while peering through the bottom of a pair of bifocals?
But the hummer is still an energy guzzler, you'll learn about that when you receive the electric bill! I'm sure it is still cheaper to operate than a gas Hummer H2 or H1.
About 1/2 the fuel cost of a Diesel or Gas Hummer but it's still an Electron Guzzler. It did not need to be this bad, but somehow GMC is a record holder right now for a consumer vehicle with highest kWh per Mile.
Exactly. It's not magic, still needs a coal or natural gas power plant to generate the electricity. Maybe when all electricity on the planet is generated by wind, solar or water it won't be an energy guzzler.
Leno is driving like he's lost eyesight but doesn't want to admit it or wear glasses.
Please no more Donald singing….
EV's? A cute idea.....but practical for the masses? maybe in another 100 years.
Listen to those never will go off road tires on the highway wow noisy
Horses are still the best technology! Get yer dang rollers off my roads! When the founders came up with America they didn’t say anything about cars, gas or magictricity.
Making huge EVs is insanely inefficient... The smaller the EV, and the more stop-start city driving it does, the better. This thing is stupid and will almost certainly depreciate like a bookshelf falling down a staircase. Well, maybe this won't so much, but those Ford Lightnings will.
Still, the Hummer is gonna look badass rolling up to the party for your new rap album. So there's that.
Someone been watching hoovie’s tow tests? 😂😉
@@Motosmostwanted Nah, but I heard about them on Alex Jones.
My 7yr old never had any fear. That girl would be screeming yes, if i tell them im gonna go hard in My wife her Suzuki Swift
I own a ram1500 , so no sporty driving there. My son 10 years old says no i dont like it. He drove pitbikes, rookie kart, 70cc qaud. Nothing.....
I wanna see them shift one down. The rest up. Braking is fear! Wanna see them in a car and kick the back out. Thank god they love the sound of my 5.7hemi straightpipe. Love from the Netherlands where a ram 1500 5.7l 4x4 is about as crazy you van get. I make petrol heads. Greetings from the Netherlands. Tesla Capitol of the world!
Given the many downsides of EVs we would be better off just putting massive taxes on fossil fuels, and then give every citizen an instant rebate equal to the average cost of living increase, then let private industry find the best alternatives. This way those who save more, get to keep more, and those who waste a lot, will pay more. Even if climate was not a problem, fossil fuels create massive particulate pollution, and add to world conflict.
That 308 mile range will half or worse with a tow on, something ice doesn’t do. The average loss of 10-15% is big for most. Some lose less with aerodynamic efficiency. So still I say until they can beat my wifes Honda Odyssey in turn radius, mpg, and price per options, I say they’re toys of the idle rich, or those who wish they were. If they can’t even beat a 10 year old mini van they haven’t done squat, except party tricks to sell junk.
LOL You are delusional if you think anyone is going to needs a HUMMER to tow stuff. Yes this is a toy for the rich only about 10,000 units annually will be built. A freaking Honda Odyssey which has sold 2.8 Million units over the brand's lifetime as of 2021 is comparing apples and oranges. This vehicle does no need to be practical and has no relation to other more practical BEVs. The battery system is silly outdated and not viable on other BEVs. The HUMMER does not need to be more practical than a Honda Odyssey. You have no clue what you are talking about.
A Lamborghini LM-002 is way worse than your Honda Odyssey, but I much rather have the Lambo.
@@Neojhun actually I do know what I am talking about. All my points are facts and yours are opinions, and like assholes we all got em, most of ours aren’t in the middle of our faces though. Why not just take other opinions in and absorb and learn. Instead of being lead by your testicles about like a cuck.
@@Neojhun now that is a valid point, I am speaking from a normal person spending money though. Not about the idle rich and rock stars who could care less about money spent per usable mile. I would rather drive a Lamborghini than any Honda, but will never afford one, so I made a reasonable comparison for my world. I am all for electric, been a fan of Nicola Tesla for years, just not a fan of irrational spending based on what rich people do, I’m not a cuck or moron.
9,200 lbs
4:30
It may be time for Jay to retake his #DriversLicenseTest
That or the camera vehicle needs to hire a different driver because a professional would think ahead & realize there needs to be enough gap for 2 vehicles
He drives like he's lost eyesight but doesn't want to admit it or wear glasses.
How long it takes to charge and how many miles on a full charge? That's the problem.
5 thousand pound tank aerodynamic like a house, I don't think it can go too far lol
@@V8_screw_electric_cars m
More like 9000 lbs
The vehicle is abjectly dangerous. Lawsuits will abound.
We cut out one fossil fuel to use 2-3 others too power are electric cars 🏳🏳🏳
A lot of people are going get run over by silent electric cars.
Two old men trying to come to grips with the future..🥹
I love Jay with cars. But he's delusional here. Larger batteries = longer range = much longer charging times. AND he's lost touch. People rushing to work, or picking up the kids won't be able to leisurely sit down for lunch while their car charges. The range needs to be longer and the charge times need to be much shorter. The technology (and infrastructure) need some scientific breakthroughs to improve where electric cars are even a reasonable alternative for the average person.. AND when's the last time Jay looked at an electric bill?
This will be the hummer h2,in 10 years they will be cheap and broken
Electric hummer that has to be dumbest idea ever.
And Americans will buy every one of them
If Governor Newson get's his way and every car is electric, what happens to California's failing electric grid? They already have to ration power and have brown outs.
That is simply not true. In the last 365 days California residents were asked to delay charging for a total of .04% of available charging time. Making things to complain about is telling.
I heard it was junk.
I heard it was GM.
same thing 😂
The Hummer EV is super expensive piece of Crap....watch what happened to guys on TFL with their White Elephant 👇👀
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Yah 20$ to charge it , but 120,000 thousand dollars. Who in the hell can afford this. Like you guys a lot but really?..
Toyota, The worlds largest vehicle manufacturer with a sterling reputation seems more interested in Hybrid systems. I’m suspicious that the only thing EV brings to the table is torque and fashion
Not a fan of EV cars!
I thint this idea is perverse
Yeah little or no maintenance, right wait until you have to replace the battery pack, no offense you are rich so you can get another one, but us working poor would not be able to afford $20,000 plus for a new battery pack and then there is a question of fire hazard with lithium batteries, ask yourself could you get yourself and your passenger out if the EV decides to do a melt down, in a ICE vehicle the average time to get out of a fuel fire is roughly 30 seconds, the average time of an EV is 10 seconds from the time you noticed that white toxic smoke. I believe that we are pushing the technology onto the market to fast, yes we need EVs but there are too many issues that needs to be addressed first, besides the fire hazard, the materials used are really toxic, not to mention that most of the mines are controlled by China and they often use child labor. I am not against EVs ,but these issues will have to be addressed before I would buy them.
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