How unlucky was that second chap? Attacked twice by minature thugs wielding rocks & air rifles. Nearly hit a confused old dear, then has a spad on his first tour of duty!!!!
Watching rail safety videos like this, i am amazed they let nutcases like me drive a car on the roads.... Train drivers are responsible for more lives for sure... but still wow
Having worked in Sydney Signal boxes the demand of 12 hour rotating shifts without proper protocol for toilet or meal brakes , employee fatigue was and still is a real concern.
That signal at the end of the platform at Stirling was both improperly maintained and impossible for the driver featured to see coming away from the platform at night: All to do with night vision adjustment time having been exposed to platform lighting. The oil lamp on the semaphore signal also did not appear to be working and illuminating the red / green aspect the signal provides alongside the visual up or down / level indication. Very interesting video :o)
That is true but he should have performed his dispatch procedure properly. If he could not see the signal then he should have assumed it to be at danger, called the signaler and held the train until authorised to move by the signaler or a change of signal aspect.
@The secular humanist They saved money by putting in a single-lead junction at Hyde Junction in 1984. This helped turn a SPAD into a head-on collusion in 1991 (resulting partly from a hard-to-see gantry signal above the cab of the errant driver, like 'SN109').
@@modelsteamers671 When this video was made it was highly likely to have still been a paraffin lamp behind the lenses. Only in the last few years have LEDs replaced even low-wattage electric bulbs.
thank you for uploading this,its a good topic for conversation and one of my friends relatives is a driver. i know he will find this interesting and helpful.
The guy at 17:00 sums up a lot of industries right there, not just railways. When people are so used to everything running without issue, when something is different, it doesn't register.
@@georgehoward7991 passing a signal by centimetres is classed as an incident and will have you taken off the unit, drug and alcohol tested, investigation, action plan and will go on your driving record permanently. passing a signal at danger could have major consequences. In that short 3m could be a set of points meaning that there could potentially be a collision. passing a signal is never "not the end of the world" and is always treated seriously.
It's a Branch Line with Single Track British Rail Western Region put at least the home Signal there and a Fixed distant means that you have to approach at caution expecting the Signal to be at danger, if you haven't noticed the Pacer involved in the incident was going faster that it would normally be going if the driver was doing what I have mentioned and what ideally you would do and expect.
No driver sets out to SPAD and it takes a very real toll on your personal physiology. Any rail investigator will tell you that any incident is always because of the failure of a number of things as this video shows. The hardest part of preventing SPADs is getting drivers to open up when they've got personal problems. The former CEO of my railway started out as a driver on the London Underground. I started driving trains in Sydney in 1984. Even though we started in railways on opposite sides of the world we were both told the same thing..."When something is going wrong then STOP and take a moment to think about the problem". Drivers need to recognise: 1. when things are getting on top of them 2. if something has gone wrong then don't make it worse by trying to keep going or cover it up and 3. if you're having personal issues please ask for help, no-one will think less of you and most will admire it for you. I always tell my drivers "It's easier to explain a delay than it is to explain a derailment or worse". There is a belief out there at least on my railway (not always unwarranted) that they'll hang you for causing a delay. If the delay is for no real reason then you deserve to be hung but if there was a very good reason then nobody can touch you. The fact is that SPADs cost a railway a lot of money whereas a delay is an inconvenience. Losing an experienced driver who made a mistake and has learnt their lesson means that the organisation is not learning and will keep making the same mistakes.
it sounds like him throughout as well :D except when other people are talking obviously, such as Lynne Milligan of Arriva Trains Wales (yes she was still customer services director right up to the end in late 2018!)
That platform starter at Stirling (signal 70),looked a bit of a bastard & poor to sight when coming out of the brightly lit station environment. Could have certainly benefited from being converted to a co-acting or even better a colour light.
As a motorman on Southern Region, I ALWAYS thought you should KNOW YOUR ROAD ! Never mind chavs chucking things on the line, or shooting airguns, my job was to drive safely and protect my crew and passengers. I feel sorry for Bernie though, but with the way it is now, the Train Operating Company will put points on your driver's licence, even though something may not be your fault. They will also get rid of you if you have too much time off as a result of an incident. SouthEastern Trains and sister Southern are notorious for this sort of thing. Glad I'm retired. Don't bother even applying for a job on the failway now. It's full of red tape, arsewipes, and backstabbers galore.
Exactly the wrong way to deal with failures. Rather than focusing on who is to blame, and deciding that people who fail are bad and should be gotten rid of, you improve safety by figuring out why people failed, helping then learn from their mistakes, and looking at the whole system with fresh eyes to see how it can be changed to make mistakes less likely and less costly when they do happen. People who've learned from past mistakes are an asset.
It would be better if the guard could still look out after the doors shut,he might well have thought "bloody hell it's red!" given one on the bell or "dropped the handle" and perhaps they'd have stopped in time.On many newer units this is no possible, such as 375s and 377s. But all three,driver,guard, and platform staff should've checked the signal aspect. I ALWAYS checked that before moving,and NEVER had a SPAD. They were lucky no damage was done. That DRA Driver's Reminder Appliance thing wasn't much use as it can be overridden.
But it's all too easy to fall into traps, as the last driver with the divorce problems, and the faulty buzzer, says. You never stop learning on the railway.
@@riverhuntingdon6659 Shouldn't he have taken the train out of service with a faulty buzzer? Talking to Steve (the Conductor) did reveal a likely buzzer fault as he denied all knowledge of using the buzzer.
Yes it always impresses me that, on traIns where it's still possible, the Guard always stands at his open door looking forward until virtually the entire train has left the platform in Australia. He can also see any near platform signals. Search `XPT leaves Penrith for Dubbo' for an example.
@@PottersVideos2 Just in case you weren’t aware I understand from the comments to another video that River has passed away. I will miss him and his vast knowledge of working on the railway (mainly BR I think). And btw his name really was River, before coming across him I’d only heard of River Phoenix. At least he lives on via his UA-cam account.
I did think that after such a traumatic incident as the stone-throwing one the driver should have had about a month or two off before being invited to return.
Nonetheless, in each of these cases, the driver reacted in a textbook manner. Emergency brake....stop.....check....report. As for the little shits with the air rifle, what were they aiming at? Signals? Trains? People are human. They bring human weaknesses to work, and considering how few major incidents we have on railways, it is a restatement to their professionalism. In fact, I think I’m right in saying most if not all of the injuries and fatalities recently have come from rail failures.
Why is there no audible voice warning for the prior signal in the cab that is required to be turned off. its much harder to miss such than a mere reset button or such.
There is, it's just not a voice. If the next signal is green, a bell or chime sounds. If it is red or yellow, a horn sounds and the reset must be acknowledged in two seconds or an emergency brake application occurs.
I would say for the first driver. The delays of both trains and the lack of a break to refresh plus the distraction lead to his train doing a SPAD. The second incident though. I felt sorry for the poor driver because of eejits tossing a rock at his train (which could have killed him if it made contact!) and the woman on the tracks and the sheep incident was all stacked against him. The faulty buzzer unless the guard was doing that stupid and potentially dangerous prank and the poor driver going through a divorce which can be messy was the result of the third SPAD. They are all human and are prone to making mistakes as well like the rest of us. Though thankfully none resulted in a crash.
As far as the driver in Wales is concerned, sadly these incidents aren't uncommon. The two young lads should have faced some kind of sentence through the courts and Crown Prosecution Service.
don't forget shooting the Pacers with air rifles for good measure, and apparently people have more recently been throwing derail grease devices onto the track (!) At least the signalling has had a major upgrade since then. Those mechanical boxes along the lines are out of use and it's all controlled from Cardiff now.
Semaphores seem quite hard to read at night - they should be converted to light signals or at least have extra lighting provided in front to make it extra clear
That buzzer problem would be enough to distract lesser people trying to drive a train. Hope that all the drivers depicted here have had successful careers and not dwelled on these incidents to a point that it eats away at their mental state
i was on a charter train and just left the station , picking up a bit of speed and the carriage window bursts in a stone big as a fist boiunces on the table then to the floor, it was an autumn evening coming back from york, and it made for a cold journey.
If you ever get the chance to visit Japan, and use the Rail system, you will notice that Drivers have a ritual of pointing at Signals, speedometers, next station stops, so as to avoid errors, and remind themselves of what they are doing or about to do! Also I noticed, that when two trains pass each other, the Drivers didn’t acknowledge each other, but kept their concentration on the line ahead. At the end of the day, we are all human, and if something can happen, it eventually will! Stay safe out there.
There has been a number of incidents of trains being hit by children throwing stones in the South Wales Valleys Some idiot dragged a rail greaser onto the track at Llanbradach a few years ago late at night. A two car Pacer train hit it but very fortunately deed not derail.
I know absolutely nothing about driving a train (we call it "engineer" here on the "other side of the pond" [I learned that term, too]). At any rate, I find these captivating. Thank you so much for sharing.
since this clip was filmed, Scotrail is now owned by Obelio, Valley Lines is now owned by Arriva Trains Wales/ Trenau Arriva Cymru and Centro (apart of Central Trains) is now owned by London Midland.
also Midland Mainline is now part of East Midlands Trains. Arriva Trains Wales replaced both Wales and Borders Trains and Valley Lines (both of which were owned by National Express Group along with Wessex Trains and Central Trains), and Arriva Trains Wales / Trenau Arriva Cymru has recently been taken over by Transport for Wales / Trafnidiaeth Cymru. The Lynne Milligan in this video was still the customer services director of Arriva Trains Wales right up until its demise in late 2018! By the way London Midland wasn't a company "per se", it was a brand of Govia which is the company behind the Thameslink, Southern, Great Northern, Gatwick Express and Southeastern brands or "companies".
I feel for these brave guys. Here is a fact. I see driving trains as a greater responsibility than flying a plane. If something goes wrong on landing, a pilot has the choice to go around. A train driver gets one chance and two options... go or stop, can't turn left, can't turn right. In the UK, I feel very safe riding by train, which I do a lot.
@@peter-e2q wow you replied after 3 years lol. but there is a reason pilots are made to train for YEARS. planes are in the air its more dangerous by common sense. Its not just up down left right, its not stalling, turbulence, engine failure, problems on board etc..
i get that spads could lead to people getting killed and have resulted in so but why do they overhype them "the drivers recount something theyd much rather forget" then they proceed to re enact a spad where they wiggle a few feet past the light but nothing else happened kinda anti climatic i mean ok this one was a little more serious but what actually happenns after this cause the narator makes out that they have harrowing and traumatic expiriances just from going over the light by a verry small amount
Personally, when I had one (in the U.S., its just called "running a red signal"), I was in no danger. The grade crossing arms were down, the incoming train was holding at a red signal--waiting for me to exit the station and cross over. It's WAY over dramatized because there's ALWAYS a chance chance things could have gone haywire. The feeling sucks. You replay it in your head, wondering where you messed up. Then, all the retraining...kind of embarrassing. It's a dramatic to-do. Supervisors pull you off your train and send you home, after you do a write-up. Glad I only had one. I know some who've had three in a couple month's span.
Do other people have dreams nightmares about SPADs? I have the common dream/nightmare of been at work and I experience SPAD. I also have the other dream of people jumping in front of my train but that another story. I love this job but it the only job I've ever had that literally gives me nightmares.
Do you ever get railway companies calling Signal And Or Points Set Incorrect as SAOPSI? Well Henry the Green engine from the Railway Series/Thomas and Friends had a “SAOPSI” when he was pulling the flying kipper. Or is the technology just so advanced these days that “SAOPSIs” may never happen at all?
Agreed: they're easy to miss, even in daylight. One SPAD (that led immediately to a non-fatal collision) occurred on my local line when a driver moved away under a colour-light signal that was sited on a gantry high above his cab, just in front of the train. After this incident, a supplementary platform "OFF" signal was installed, along with catch-points and a sand-drag that hadn't been thought necessary when the money-saving single-lead track (replacing separate tracks) that had made the collision inevitable was installed. Maybe someone should make a closer study of signal-installations to see if their positioning and visibility should be improved for the drivers' benefit.
its the aws or tpws safety system, when you pass a green signal a bell or a ding sounds, a yellow or red sounds a horn which has to be cancelled by pressing a button within 3 seconds or the brakes are applied
How the hell are we arguing about them missing literally unseeable signals? The stirling one: not easy to see The second one: literally no way to see it. It has nothing to do with train technology as outlined by one guy and I doubt very much so it has anything to do with age and experience as outlined by the woman or complacency.... poor signal maintenance, poor signal placing, poor track side maintenance are to blame for these. not the drivers. Only the last one is to really be blamed on the driver, but the previous two? nah.
Good point although modern signals are bright and focussed at the Driver. Another point worth discussion is why can't the Single Yellow and Red signals have a different in cab sounder to Double Yellow (I believe it to be difficult / impossible technically).
@Martindyna I was following n watching rail videos as I wanted to be a train driver but realised its very very difficult so gave up n not watching any videos so was surprised to see your reply. I had forgotten about train lol. Train driver selection is is like winning lottery n then getting the job is like winning lottery twice in a raw lol.
@@goilee9716 I was unhappy in my office job and applied to be a train driver but I was unsuccessful. I'm glad because I'm not sure I had the right qualities to be a driver.
2 seconds to sight a home signal, thats crazy, how does the driver see it in fog, is he expected to drive at 5mph so he has sufficient (2seconds) time to react and stop.
My goodness, that's a bit bleak at 25:33: "It doesn't matter how good or how experienced you are: if the conditions are right, the trap is waiting to be sprung. It doesn't matter how clever, how good, whatever you think you are, there are always occasions where the unwary are caught." THE END REMEMBER, DEATH COMES FOR US ALL. (Also, while he's not wrong, it's a bit at odds with the title of the video, "Don't Let it Happen to You.")
You should emblement “Automatic Train Stops” like they have in Toronto and New York City subways. You pass a red signal the trains brakes are automatically applied! And the signals should have repeaters and timers on a curve.
They do these days - this is an old video, TPWS is pretty widespread now (which has overspeed sensors and train stops, and is designed to stop a train before it leaves the safety overlap)
I can tell who that angry passenger was...I know it was an actor, but it's Paul Tyreman again... Scotrail, ONE Anglia, First Great Western and LOROL hired him for A LOT.
Have to feel sorry for these guys. None of them was lazy or bad at their job, just simple human factors at play.
Vigilance tasks are the hardest and people will eventually miss something. These guys on average are doing really well.
and poor signal and station design that makes mistakes inevitable.
meanwhile on the LU, if you watched that video where that woman has a SPAD.....
@@milkandduckrailway323 omg she has such a bad attitude, she should not be a driver
@@arjunsharma7619 Can you provide a link to this film?
This is probably one of the interesting and well put together railway training videos out there!
How unlucky was that second chap?
Attacked twice by minature thugs wielding rocks & air rifles. Nearly hit a confused old dear, then has a spad on his first tour of duty!!!!
yeah it couldn't get any worse - they do say that things happen in threes
Yeah a shame
don't forget the sheep! 🐑 🐑 🐑
Watching rail safety videos like this, i am amazed they let nutcases like me drive a car on the roads....
Train drivers are responsible for more lives for sure... but still wow
Shouldn't there have been a repeating signal before the old semaphore signal? That way, the driver has more time to notice the signal and slow down.
Having worked in Sydney Signal boxes the demand of 12 hour rotating shifts without proper protocol for toilet or meal brakes , employee fatigue was and still is a real concern.
3:52 when he couldn't have a cup of tea, this is when things went really wrong
Very true, hydration is important to brain function.
Surely making him skip a break ain’t legal either…?
Commentary aided driving; one of the best initiatives for new drivers. Helps the instructor/ trainer as much as the driver.
I do it once or twice a month when driving my car as a matter of course, usually when I'm feeling tired.
Helps me when I'm driving too, albeit driving a car is a billion times simpler than a train
There are lessons here for all walks of life involving moving into danger without realising. This vid deserves a wider audience.
Not sure about that. Didn't understand a word of it apart from maybe the town names.
Paul Tyreman as the abusive passenger made me howl 😂
That signal at the end of the platform at Stirling was both improperly maintained and impossible for the driver featured to see coming away from the platform at night: All to do with night vision adjustment time having been exposed to platform lighting. The oil lamp on the semaphore signal also did not appear to be working and illuminating the red / green aspect the signal provides alongside the visual up or down / level indication. Very interesting video :o)
That is true but he should have performed his dispatch procedure properly. If he could not see the signal then he should have assumed it to be at danger, called the signaler and held the train until authorised to move by the signaler or a change of signal aspect.
@The secular humanist They saved money by putting in a single-lead junction at Hyde Junction in 1984. This helped turn a SPAD into a head-on collusion in 1991 (resulting partly from a hard-to-see gantry signal above the cab of the errant driver, like 'SN109').
@@None-zc5vg was still British Rail then, or do you mean 1994...?
I'd be very surprised if the signal is oil lit.
@@modelsteamers671 When this video was made it was highly likely to have still been a paraffin lamp behind the lenses. Only in the last few years have LEDs replaced even low-wattage electric bulbs.
Dave Boyce is still train driving in Wales! According to his website, he writes poetry as well
thank you for uploading this,its a good topic for conversation and one of my friends relatives is a driver. i know he will find this interesting and helpful.
The guy at 17:00 sums up a lot of industries right there, not just railways. When people are so used to everything running without issue, when something is different, it doesn't register.
That's because you see the same thing literally every day for 10 years, it can be a little hard to get out of that routine.
bingo
4:53 "bastard" XD
Actually "I think I've passed it!"
Alex Widdowson: Nah, he says “bastard” pretty clearly...
@@fetchstixRHD OK.
I think passing a signal by about 3 metres is not the end of the world but in London it may be
@@georgehoward7991 passing a signal by centimetres is classed as an incident and will have you taken off the unit, drug and alcohol tested, investigation, action plan and will go on your driving record permanently. passing a signal at danger could have major consequences. In that short 3m could be a set of points meaning that there could potentially be a collision. passing a signal is never "not the end of the world" and is always treated seriously.
He's went from Whole Lotta Love to SPAD risks!
That's a heartbreaker
Good Times, SPAD Times
An important and difficult subject, treated with sensitivity.
The Penarth incident, with reverse curves, why no banner repeater signal? A fixed distant signal isn't enough.
It's a Branch Line with Single Track British Rail Western Region put at least the home Signal there and a Fixed distant means that you have to approach at caution expecting the Signal to be at danger, if you haven't noticed the Pacer involved in the incident was going faster that it would normally be going if the driver was doing what I have mentioned and what ideally you would do and expect.
4:21 That's the same guy who presents these videos and it's hilarious how he's putting on a scouse accent here to add to the anger lol
I was literally just gonna say “that looks like Paul Tyreman”
No driver sets out to SPAD and it takes a very real toll on your personal physiology. Any rail investigator will tell you that any incident is always because of the failure of a number of things as this video shows. The hardest part of preventing SPADs is getting drivers to open up when they've got personal problems.
The former CEO of my railway started out as a driver on the London Underground. I started driving trains in Sydney in 1984. Even though we started in railways on opposite sides of the world we were both told the same thing..."When something is going wrong then STOP and take a moment to think about the problem".
Drivers need to recognise:
1. when things are getting on top of them
2. if something has gone wrong then don't make it worse by trying to keep going or cover it up and
3. if you're having personal issues please ask for help, no-one will think less of you and most will admire it for you.
I always tell my drivers "It's easier to explain a delay than it is to explain a derailment or worse".
There is a belief out there at least on my railway (not always unwarranted) that they'll hang you for causing a delay. If the delay is for no real reason then you deserve to be hung but if there was a very good reason then nobody can touch you. The fact is that SPADs cost a railway a lot of money whereas a delay is an inconvenience. Losing an experienced driver who made a mistake and has learnt their lesson means that the organisation is not learning and will keep making the same mistakes.
4:20 That was a mistake on the part of the dispatcher and conductor. The guy on the platform arguing with the platform staff is Paul Press Tyreman.
it sounds like him throughout as well :D except when other people are talking obviously, such as Lynne Milligan of Arriva Trains Wales (yes she was still customer services director right up to the end in late 2018!)
he was acting as a passenger in that clip as it was a reconstruction
4:50 most Scottish reaction ever.
When all is said and done the most important thing for a driver to have is an incontinence pad
i think steve was actually messing with the buzzer. i mean just look at his weasle-y face.
That platform starter at Stirling (signal 70),looked a bit of a bastard & poor to sight when coming out of the brightly lit station environment.
Could have certainly benefited from being converted to a co-acting or even better a colour light.
As a motorman on Southern Region, I ALWAYS thought you should KNOW YOUR ROAD ! Never mind chavs chucking things on the line, or shooting airguns, my job was to drive safely and protect my crew and passengers. I feel sorry for Bernie though, but with the way it is now, the Train Operating Company will put points on your driver's licence, even though something may not be your fault. They will also get rid of you if you have too much time off as a result of an incident. SouthEastern Trains and sister Southern are notorious for this sort of thing. Glad I'm retired. Don't bother even applying for a job on the failway now. It's full of red tape, arsewipes, and backstabbers galore.
Exactly the wrong way to deal with failures. Rather than focusing on who is to blame, and deciding that people who fail are bad and should be gotten rid of, you improve safety by figuring out why people failed, helping then learn from their mistakes, and looking at the whole system with fresh eyes to see how it can be changed to make mistakes less likely and less costly when they do happen. People who've learned from past mistakes are an asset.
@@TonboIV Quite right, but it's always been about blame and buck-passing.
It's never the Management , who are in the Dock. I will sacrifice any Company fo rmy Licence.
No change there then from my experience.
Yes I agree , and this was a very good way of getting rid of drivers who may have been troublesome union reps.
It would be better if the guard could still look out after the doors shut,he might well have thought "bloody hell it's red!" given one on the bell or "dropped the handle" and perhaps they'd have stopped in time.On many newer units this is no possible, such as 375s and 377s. But all three,driver,guard, and platform staff should've checked the signal aspect. I ALWAYS checked that before moving,and NEVER had a SPAD. They were lucky no damage was done. That DRA Driver's Reminder Appliance thing wasn't much use as it can be overridden.
But it's all too easy to fall into traps, as the last driver with the divorce problems, and the faulty buzzer, says. You never stop learning on the railway.
@@riverhuntingdon6659 Shouldn't he have taken the train out of service with a faulty buzzer? Talking to Steve (the Conductor) did reveal a likely buzzer fault as he denied all knowledge of using the buzzer.
Yes it always impresses me that, on traIns where it's still possible, the Guard always stands at his open door looking forward until virtually the entire train has left the platform in Australia.
He can also see any near platform signals.
Search `XPT leaves Penrith for Dubbo' for an example.
@@PottersVideos2 Just in case you weren’t aware I understand from the comments to another video that River has passed away. I will miss him and his vast knowledge of working on the railway (mainly BR I think).
And btw his name really was River, before coming across him I’d only heard of River Phoenix. At least he lives on via his UA-cam account.
Robert Plant has taken a bit of a change of career I see
haha I was thinking that, among other things :P
I wonder if Will Smith from the Vale of Rheidol Railway is watching, haha
TheOregono He’s still a hero though.
@@clayz1 whats he doing now?
"And he's ruuunninngg a Railwaaaayy through Scotland"
@@alfrancisnh im missing the joke here.. Whats this guy doing now??
Sorry, don't read this just a personal note
First one, 4:45-5:20
Second one 19:30-20:00
Third one 21:20-22:15
I *am* reading this
I did think that after such a traumatic incident as the stone-throwing one the driver should have had about a month or two off before being invited to return.
Nonetheless, in each of these cases, the driver reacted in a textbook manner. Emergency brake....stop.....check....report. As for the little shits with the air rifle, what were they aiming at? Signals? Trains? People are human. They bring human weaknesses to work, and considering how few major incidents we have on railways, it is a restatement to their professionalism. In fact, I think I’m right in saying most if not all of the injuries and fatalities recently have come from rail failures.
Why is there no audible voice warning for the prior signal in the cab that is required to be turned off. its much harder to miss such than a mere reset button or such.
There is, it's just not a voice. If the next signal is green, a bell or chime sounds. If it is red or yellow, a horn sounds and the reset must be acknowledged in two seconds or an emergency brake application occurs.
No mention. Of the newton or belgrove train crash. In in Glasgow the the early 90s
I would say for the first driver. The delays of both trains and the lack of a break to refresh plus the distraction lead to his train doing a SPAD. The second incident though. I felt sorry for the poor driver because of eejits tossing a rock at his train (which could have killed him if it made contact!) and the woman on the tracks and the sheep incident was all stacked against him. The faulty buzzer unless the guard was doing that stupid and potentially dangerous prank and the poor driver going through a divorce which can be messy was the result of the third SPAD. They are all human and are prone to making mistakes as well like the rest of us. Though thankfully none resulted in a crash.
"As the man argued" That man is you mr tyreman!
9:06 omg she was still the customer services director of Arriva Trains Wales until it went defunct in late 2018!
rear speaker she’s part of TfW now!
@@drenahmeti22 hate to sound stupid, but what is TfW?
@@rearspeaker6364 rrright lol
@@rearspeaker6364 transport for wales
@@garytoner4563 thank you!
As far as the driver in Wales is concerned, sadly these incidents aren't uncommon.
The two young lads should have faced some kind of sentence through the courts and Crown Prosecution Service.
Driving on Valley Lines sounds like not a job for the faint-hearted, lol:) People chucking rocks, wandering on the track, sheep...seriously...
don't forget shooting the Pacers with air rifles for good measure, and apparently people have more recently been throwing derail grease devices onto the track (!)
At least the signalling has had a major upgrade since then. Those mechanical boxes along the lines are out of use and it's all controlled from Cardiff now.
Semaphores seem quite hard to read at night - they should be converted to light signals or at least have extra lighting provided in front to make it extra clear
As far as I’m aware that’s being done.
That buzzer problem would be enough to distract lesser people trying to drive a train. Hope that all the drivers depicted here have had successful careers and not dwelled on these incidents to a point that it eats away at their mental state
The poor guy who had the rock thrown at him.
i was on a charter train and just left the station , picking up a bit of speed and the carriage window bursts in a stone big as a fist boiunces on the table then to the floor, it was an autumn evening coming back from york, and it made for a cold journey.
Yes it probably really hurts
Paul Tyreman he has done loads of videos
If you ever get the chance to visit Japan, and use the Rail system, you will notice that Drivers have a ritual of pointing at Signals, speedometers, next station stops, so as to avoid errors, and remind themselves of what they are doing or about to do! Also I noticed, that when two trains pass each other, the Drivers didn’t acknowledge each other, but kept their concentration on the line ahead. At the end of the day, we are all human, and if something can happen, it eventually will! Stay safe out there.
Only a buzzer on the cab to cab don't get wound up lol
There has been a number of incidents of trains being hit by children throwing stones in the South Wales Valleys Some idiot dragged a rail greaser onto the track at Llanbradach a few years ago late at night. A two car Pacer train hit it but very fortunately deed not derail.
Spad - Signal Passed At Danger!
Thanks
I love that ERTMS is kind of the IPv6 of the railway
stellar acting, endearing really
I know absolutely nothing about driving a train (we call it "engineer" here on the "other side of the pond" [I learned that term, too]). At any rate, I find these captivating. Thank you so much for sharing.
since this clip was filmed, Scotrail is now owned by Obelio, Valley Lines is now owned by Arriva Trains Wales/ Trenau Arriva Cymru and Centro (apart of Central Trains) is now owned by London Midland.
also Wessex Trains is now owned by First Great Western and Railtrack is now Network rail
Abellio*
Sorry for the spelling mistake mate.
Joel Harris london northweastern railway now
also Midland Mainline is now part of East Midlands Trains. Arriva Trains Wales replaced both Wales and Borders Trains and Valley Lines (both of which were owned by National Express Group along with Wessex Trains and Central Trains), and Arriva Trains Wales / Trenau Arriva Cymru has recently been taken over by Transport for Wales / Trafnidiaeth Cymru. The Lynne Milligan in this video was still the customer services director of Arriva Trains Wales right up until its demise in late 2018! By the way London Midland wasn't a company "per se", it was a brand of Govia which is the company behind the Thameslink, Southern, Great Northern, Gatwick Express and Southeastern brands or "companies".
Signal Passed At Danger
I feel for these brave guys. Here is a fact. I see driving trains as a greater responsibility than flying a plane. If something goes wrong on landing, a pilot has the choice to go around. A train driver gets one chance and two options... go or stop, can't turn left, can't turn right. In the UK, I feel very safe riding by train, which I do a lot.
haha shut up. 36,000 feet up you cant just stop. you know nothing about air travel.
@@James28R I probably know more than you do
No emergency brakes on the airplane mate.
@@Groveish I know that. But they have up, down, left, right, glide to safety if possible. A train driver has… “OH SHIT!”
@@peter-e2q wow you replied after 3 years lol. but there is a reason pilots are made to train for YEARS. planes are in the air its more dangerous by common sense. Its not just up down left right, its not stalling, turbulence, engine failure, problems on board etc..
his name is Paul Tyreman he has done many videos too many to mention to be honest :)
21:33 "Oh shit!"
Actually surprised they allowed that in an official training video. Well put together though!
0:00 On November 29th 2001, former member of the Beatles George Harrison also died on that day.
Great video
4:22 is that the Man himself
signal passed at danger!
when I was a fireman at Saltley , SPADS did happen
they used to happen a hell of a lot of times
What a great vid. Very thoughtful and clear.
because it's an old professional video from the early 2000s that the uploader has nothing to do with as far as I know
Wessex Trains is now called GWR.
i get that spads could lead to people getting killed and have resulted in so but why do they overhype them "the drivers recount something theyd much rather forget" then they proceed to re enact a spad where they wiggle a few feet past the light but nothing else happened kinda anti climatic i mean ok this one was a little more serious but what actually happenns after this cause the narator makes out that they have harrowing and traumatic expiriances just from going over the light by a verry small amount
Personally, when I had one (in the U.S., its just called "running a red signal"), I was in no danger. The grade crossing arms were down, the incoming train was holding at a red signal--waiting for me to exit the station and cross over. It's WAY over dramatized because there's ALWAYS a chance chance things could have gone haywire. The feeling sucks. You replay it in your head, wondering where you messed up. Then, all the retraining...kind of embarrassing. It's a dramatic to-do. Supervisors pull you off your train and send you home, after you do a write-up. Glad I only had one. I know some who've had three in a couple month's span.
Do other people have dreams nightmares about SPADs? I have the common dream/nightmare of been at work and I experience SPAD. I also have the other dream of people jumping in front of my train but that another story. I love this job but it the only job I've ever had that literally gives me nightmares.
0:20 ... and everyone died!
Now I know SPADs are serious on the workplace, they do seem to overly dramatize it.
Narrator was Paul Press Tyreman,aka Class 180 man
17:20 That's my uncle!
4:23 Is that Paul? If so, well, it always has to be him.
of course it's Paul haha
Yup lol
I'm yet to see one of these videos that doesn't have Paul in them at some point. That guy gets around.
After analyzing all of these videos, I've identified Paul Tyreman as a significant SPAD risk. He's always there when a SPAD occurs! ;-)
Not once through the whole video did the mention of rostered shifts come up
Do you ever get railway companies calling Signal And Or Points Set Incorrect as SAOPSI?
Well Henry the Green engine from the Railway Series/Thomas and Friends had a “SAOPSI” when he was pulling the flying kipper.
Or is the technology just so advanced these days that “SAOPSIs” may never happen at all?
So spuds are good, SPADs are bad. Got it.
Well we never found out the answer, was the guard messing with the buzzer or not?? I get the feeling the general consensus is that he was.
Surely the previous single would have been a single yellow - so you should half be expecting the next signal could be red?
SPAD? Does that stand for ''Signal Passed At Danger''?
Yes.
Yes, I learned that from Stepford County Railway
should not have been given ra by platform staff and guard should not have gicven clearance, rule book stuff
4:03 is that paul?
yes, he was acting as a passenger in that clip as it was a reconstruction
The thing is for the last guy. The guard calling as a Buzz not a Beep.
Honestly, the only places semaphores belong in the 21st century is on heritage railways.
Agreed: they're easy to miss, even in daylight. One SPAD (that led immediately to a non-fatal collision) occurred on my local line when a driver moved away under a colour-light signal that was sited on a gantry high above his cab, just in front of the train. After this incident, a supplementary platform "OFF" signal was installed, along with catch-points and a sand-drag that hadn't been thought necessary when the money-saving single-lead track (replacing separate tracks) that had made the collision inevitable was installed. Maybe someone should make a closer study of signal-installations to see if their positioning and visibility should be improved for the drivers' benefit.
And the Rayleigh Bay branch in SCR
What are those dings you can hear in National Rail and Overground trains? The ones that sound approximately every minute?
its the aws or tpws safety system, when you pass a green signal a bell or a ding sounds, a yellow or red sounds a horn which has to be cancelled by pressing a button within 3 seconds or the brakes are applied
+darren cafferty Er, that's not quite what i meant. I was talking about the dings in the passenger area, not the cab. Anyway thanks for replying
possibly the bell/buzzer communication from guard to driver
How the hell are we arguing about them missing literally unseeable signals?
The stirling one: not easy to see
The second one: literally no way to see it.
It has nothing to do with train technology as outlined by one guy and I doubt very much so it has anything to do with age and experience as outlined by the woman or complacency.... poor signal maintenance, poor signal placing, poor track side maintenance are to blame for these. not the drivers.
Only the last one is to really be blamed on the driver, but the previous two? nah.
pretty sure the narrator was the 'angry passenger' that was arguing on the platform. He's done a few of these types of videos - anyone know who he is?
Paul Press Tyreman
easier said then done by why cant they make the Red signal so big and bright its extreley hard to miss
Good point although modern signals are bright and focussed at the Driver.
Another point worth discussion is why can't the Single Yellow and Red signals have a different in cab sounder to Double Yellow (I believe it to be difficult / impossible technically).
@Martindyna I was following n watching rail videos as I wanted to be a train driver but realised its very very difficult so gave up n not watching any videos so was surprised to see your reply. I had forgotten about train lol. Train driver selection is is like winning lottery n then getting the job is like winning lottery twice in a raw lol.
@@goilee9716 I was unhappy in my office job and applied to be a train driver but I was unsuccessful.
I'm glad because I'm not sure I had the right qualities to be a driver.
2 seconds to sight a home signal, thats crazy, how does the driver see it in fog, is he expected to drive at 5mph so he has sufficient (2seconds) time to react and stop.
My goodness, that's a bit bleak at 25:33: "It doesn't matter how good or how experienced you are: if the conditions are right, the trap is waiting to be sprung. It doesn't matter how clever, how good, whatever you think you are, there are always occasions where the unwary are caught."
THE END
REMEMBER, DEATH
COMES FOR US ALL.
(Also, while he's not wrong, it's a bit at odds with the title of the video, "Don't Let it Happen to You.")
What does SPAD mean
Signal passed at danger.
thank you
Signal Passed At Danger
This film looks around 2004, interesting to see them talking about ERTMS
Railtrack mentioned, so prior to 2002!
time Table is King, and when it goes wrong, the ones who made the descions aren't in the dock
HELLO STEVE, HELLO!!!
good god...
You should emblement “Automatic Train Stops” like they have in Toronto and New York City subways.
You pass a red signal the trains brakes are automatically applied!
And the signals should have repeaters and timers on a curve.
They do these days - this is an old video, TPWS is pretty widespread now (which has overspeed sensors and train stops, and is designed to stop a train before it leaves the safety overlap)
Yeah, TPWS exists in Stepford County Railway (a Roblox game if you don't know)
Any footage of the Newton train crash in 1991 ?
In SCR if you SPAD your train turns on its emergency brake.
that woman at 9:05-9:52 makes me think SPADS are good!!
You wouldn't catch me wearing those company issued sunglasses, no matter what.
"Top Gun", much!
Hi Darren do you you work on the rail I'm going to try again for mb2 engineering
Good luck with that, is that the 862 exam?
If the drivers cant see the signal why not add a flashing light signal so they can see it ans stop in time
Cab signalling would be helpful
17:21 right behind the train operators neck, on the pay phone. 🥰. She’s got a pair 0n her. 😮
its scotrail but it has valley lines
Poor Gordon, you can see the guilt eating away at him
SPAD’s happen EVERY MINUTE on the ROADS
He wouldn't be doing 50MPh beacause there's a bleeding 40MPh speed limit!
@Po Lu it would appear not...
I can tell who that angry passenger was...I know it was an actor, but it's Paul Tyreman again...
Scotrail, ONE Anglia, First Great Western and LOROL hired him for A LOT.
The angry passanger is paul from fgw
he's an actor for SPA Films