I’ve been a signalman on the Underground for 34 years and still find the history of signalling fascinating. I was always taught that signalling systems are evolutionary not revolutionary and improvements are always made after an accident! Ie Moorgate control was brought in because of the Moorgate crash.
I'm looking for information about DINGER LINES (single lines that used bells as signals) Not like on this video But they would ride past and use a long pole to actually ding the bell There is an extinct line near me that was called locally the singer line it was run and operated by ICI for running soda ash around I am in a serious hunt for information about this type of signaling If you happen to find anything please try to remember my comment and respond for me Super interesting if I can find information
Brilliant video. I spent a happy afternoon standing in the doorways, with permission, of the Ropley and Medstead cabins watching the action when there were two trains on the line.
I’ve always had this fantasy that I’d be a signalman in a little box somewhere, in solitude, with a great view of the trains, and a nice mug of tea, with the radio on. Unfortunately a couple of generations too late to live out this fantasy!
I'm after information about a signal system used way back for single lines Known locally at least as DINGER lines They used bells but not to a signal box etc The bell was located at the top of a concrete pole similar to a telegraph pole. Train would ride past and use a pole to ding the bell Very loud One that still remained twenty odd years ago we used to shoot at made a very loud ding indeed I can't information about this system anywhere Please tell me you used this system in the USA and have another name I didn't search for or something close If your aware of anything like this please point me in the right direction
As a head Stationmaster, now called safetycontroller/trafficregulator, this is a nice channel to follow. Explanationary correct an ‘fun’ to watch. Much has been modernized but still the goal is a safe and swift travel. Keep up the well enjoyed channel.
Brilliant video as always. 4:33 Always good to say my favourite shunter back in action. I'll be dow at the line on Sunday and look forward to finally coming back after 4 months :)
@@owenslanejunction7544 I believe that once 08288 is out repainted, and the last repairs are done, 08377 is going in for a bit of work and TLC as she's looking a bit tired. 08032 is slowly being worked on and hopefully it won't be too long before we see her back.
Well narrated and explained, Australia had/has a similar colour coded lever system, ideally, imported from the British in the steam era. Very enjoyable and informative 12 minutes.
How did the UA-cam algorithm know I am currently reading John Richardson's book "Over the Alps" which goes into detail about the single track sections and signalling on this very railway line?
Very interesting! Does anyone know whether issuing staffs, tokens or tablets security devices have been used in continental Europe to manage single track lines? As far as I know, they were never tested here in Italy, not even at the time of private railway networks. Thank you very much for your availability and collaboration
They would have had something similar Lots of these systems are very hard to find information about In the UK there was a less used system Locally we called it the dinger line It used bells as the warning system and didn't use switch boxes except for main line connections But the train would drive down the track hitting all of the bells at the top of telegraph poles which was loud if you heard a bell you didn't ring you stopped and reversed fast lol These was normally for cargo only when lines might have been owned by one company etc Information on this system can't be found and the ONLY REASON I know it existed is because I live local and even used to shoot at the bell that was then twenty years ago the only one remaining
PLEASE HELP i am after information about the very old As i know them Dinger lines These was always a single line With large bells on poles high up for audibility The train would ride past and hit the bell with a large pole The very line local to me has always been known as the dinger line for the sound of the warning system Information on these type of lines is almost impossible to coe across The line in question exactly is the line that connected the soda ash limebeds in winnington to the mainline somewhere behind weaverham highschool. The ici site also connected to the main line through winnington and onto the main line between Hartford and Northwich Its not this exact line im looking for information on but what a bonus that would be Can anyone here shed some light pleae As far as i am aware it only carried chemicals and product for one company and so signal boxes etc was not needed except it's mainline connections
No - well, not in Britain, at any rate. The earliest railways, like the Liverpool & Manchester, were double track. Single track lines only came in later, when branch lines (US - 'short lines') were built which only had to carry much less traffic. HTH
That has been a tradition for a long time. They want to keep those handles bright and shiny, and not let the oils and perspiration from your hands cause them to rust or discolor.
There's a problem with that; as far as I know, there aren't any of those early signals left, so the only way of doing it would be to make an animated film.
Signal Box lever colour codes: 1. Red - For "lowering" the semaphore signal. 2. Black - For setting point (US: switch) from "normal" to "reverse". 3. Blue - For setting the lock on the point set. 4. White - Spare/Unused lever.
With Mechanical signalling in mechanical signalling days, electrical track circuits were NOT available. So mechanical "Treadles" were positioned at critical positions to detect the presence of a trains wheels mechanically ! Obviously as this is a modern programme taken on the Mid Hants Railway, they are using track circuits as a cheaper simpler and more reliable method of detecting trains than expensive treadles.
Yep - and, if he could have made the video in a dozen chapters, each about 12 hours long, he could have gone through all the intermediate phases of development. But these videos are *an introduction to the basics* - not an exhaustive and comprehensive history.
Every signal 🚦 box was different. There's Like line control unit when train gets to curtain point sets alam of I found frame strange part levers stands out instrument Tyler 3 position getting to know your area some bell 🚥 signals not my block book issue 1960 show north and south west
I pushed wrong button. 2nd Wasa plate with steel sheet operation by lever at bottom then come symphore signal earl 1800s a man did walk in front of the train
As Train pass over section the small power under the train sends signal back to the signal box shows train on line either on clock shape show line clear or occupied or by light on tack diagram Er
In trouble? You mean from those tantrum-throwing screechy toddlers who call themselves 'woke activists'? Oooh, I'm weally, weally scared . . . I call myself a *signalman* and I don't give a monkey's who I offend.
shame about the breach of safety processes at 0.12, you never walk in the 4 foot unless there is no cess, and as that looks like a two-way running lines, he should not be just looking forward but also behind. The biggest error there is not using the cess.
Although it is bad practice, this is a heritage railway and he probably knew there was no running. He may have even have had a block on both running lines. Which would mean walking in the 4 foot is acceptable. I always find the 4 foot a very uncomfortable place to be, even with a line block on.
FYI, British Railways no longer exists; it was all privatised decades ago. Secondly, if you know so little, who are YOU to to pass judgement on the railway technology in another country?
Why are all signalman white ?? I’ve been applying for this position and made it as far as interview but never further, thought it had something to do with my skin colour 🤔
the reason is, your interview didn’t go well enough. There are certain red flags they look for during interviews and if you’ve said any of them you will be automatically counted out for the job, nothing to do with skin colour and you would be better not to presume that in future, doesn’t lead to a happy life.
Would you rather I called myself a 'signalperson', to avoid upsetting the Gender Gestapo? Or maybe a 'signalmover of non-defined species', to fit in with the lunacy of those who 'self-identify' as anything but what they are, and DEMAND that the rest of us go along with their delusions? GROW UP!!
This is the best, most indepth explination that I've found. Thank you so much for sharing.
I’ve been a signalman on the Underground for 34 years and still find the history of signalling fascinating. I was always taught that signalling systems are evolutionary not revolutionary and improvements are always made after an accident! Ie Moorgate control was brought in because of the Moorgate crash.
I'm looking for information about DINGER LINES (single lines that used bells as signals)
Not like on this video
But they would ride past and use a long pole to actually ding the bell
There is an extinct line near me that was called locally the singer line it was run and operated by ICI for running soda ash around
I am in a serious hunt for information about this type of signaling
If you happen to find anything please try to remember my comment and respond for me
Super interesting if I can find information
Brilliant video. I spent a happy afternoon standing in the doorways, with permission, of the Ropley and Medstead cabins watching the action when there were two trains on the line.
Not only this was really interesting, but also incredibly well made. Can't wait to see the next part!
I’ve always had this fantasy that I’d be a signalman in a little box somewhere, in solitude, with a great view of the trains, and a nice mug of tea, with the radio on. Unfortunately a couple of generations too late to live out this fantasy!
The staff or baton system is called absolute block here in the States.I'm a retired Signalman from NYCT 1991-2016.
I'm after information about a signal system used way back for single lines
Known locally at least as DINGER lines
They used bells but not to a signal box etc
The bell was located at the top of a concrete pole similar to a telegraph pole.
Train would ride past and use a pole to ding the bell
Very loud
One that still remained twenty odd years ago we used to shoot at made a very loud ding indeed
I can't information about this system anywhere
Please tell me you used this system in the USA and have another name I didn't search for or something close
If your aware of anything like this please point me in the right direction
As a head Stationmaster, now called safetycontroller/trafficregulator, this is a nice channel to follow. Explanationary correct an ‘fun’ to watch. Much has been modernized but still the goal is a safe and swift travel. Keep up the well enjoyed channel.
Very well explained , and a gorgeous piece of heritage railway 🚂 . I used to regularly have s nose around from the Alton end and back .
Well done from a retired Signalman .
Brilliant video as always. 4:33 Always good to say my favourite shunter back in action. I'll be dow at the line on Sunday and look forward to finally coming back after 4 months :)
i totally agree now then can work on the other shunter that is stored
@@owenslanejunction7544 I believe that once 08288 is out repainted, and the last repairs are done, 08377 is going in for a bit of work and TLC as she's looking a bit tired. 08032 is slowly being worked on and hopefully it won't be too long before we see her back.
@@DomWhibley yes thx
I ended up taking notes as I watched this video. I've been trying to work out some of these things for years.
Well narrated and explained, Australia had/has a similar colour coded lever system, ideally, imported from the British in the steam era. Very enjoyable and informative 12 minutes.
I love the watercress line and days out with Thomas xxxxxxxx
Brilliant and instructive video and Jim is such a talented signaller.
Enjoyed this, good presenting style!
2:47 ... I was searching for an "analyze" button. I can't be the only one right ? XD
Great and interesting video though!
Great story telling and history. Cheers.
Actually a really insightful video! Thank you!
Very educational, thanks for teaching us
Very well made informative and entertaining video. 👍🏽
Brilliant info.
Side note: I'm watching Steam train Britain and I'm seeing this man on the Ffestiniog railway as a guard. ^_^
That was very interesting, thank you
Nice video, well explained. The blooper at the end should have been kept in as it demonstrated part of interlocking.
How did the UA-cam algorithm know I am currently reading John Richardson's book "Over the Alps" which goes into detail about the single track sections and signalling on this very railway line?
Hey look! Thomas can be seen at 4:33! 😃
Great Video
Very interesting! Does anyone know whether issuing staffs, tokens or tablets security devices have been used in continental Europe to manage single track lines? As far as I know, they were never tested here in Italy, not even at the time of private railway networks. Thank you very much for your availability and collaboration
They would have had something similar
Lots of these systems are very hard to find information about
In the UK there was a less used system
Locally we called it the dinger line
It used bells as the warning system and didn't use switch boxes except for main line connections
But the train would drive down the track hitting all of the bells at the top of telegraph poles which was loud if you heard a bell you didn't ring you stopped and reversed fast lol
These was normally for cargo only when lines might have been owned by one company etc
Information on this system can't be found and the ONLY REASON I know it existed is because I live local and even used to shoot at the bell that was then twenty years ago the only one remaining
Mid Hants Railway 'The Watercress Line' 'In The Beginning' LOVE LOUIS SHIRLRY
Very informative, and very clearly explained - many thanks!!
PLEASE HELP
i am after information about the very old
As i know them
Dinger lines
These was always a single line
With large bells on poles high up for audibility
The train would ride past and hit the bell with a large pole
The very line local to me has always been known as the dinger line for the sound of the warning system
Information on these type of lines is almost impossible to coe across
The line in question exactly is the line that connected the soda ash limebeds in winnington to the mainline somewhere behind weaverham highschool.
The ici site also connected to the main line through winnington and onto the main line between Hartford and Northwich
Its not this exact line im looking for information on but what a bonus that would be
Can anyone here shed some light pleae
As far as i am aware it only carried chemicals and product for one company and so signal boxes etc was not needed except it's mainline connections
4:48 ayo why my boy thomas in the background?
click analyze
I thought that when railroads were developed they only ran on one track, hence the siding.
No - well, not in Britain, at any rate. The earliest railways, like the Liverpool & Manchester, were double track. Single track lines only came in later, when branch lines (US - 'short lines') were built which only had to carry much less traffic.
HTH
Why do they always use a rag when pulling those levers? This video isn’t the first time I’ve seen that.
That has been a tradition for a long time. They want to keep those handles bright and shiny, and not let the oils and perspiration from your hands cause them to rust or discolor.
I wish someone would make a video about early signals instead of jumping straight from flags to modern(ish) signalboxes.
There's a problem with that; as far as I know, there aren't any of those early signals left, so the only way of doing it would be to make an animated film.
The staff will not stop accidents, but it will show who was was at fault when there is one. Think of Abermule and others.
Signal Box lever colour codes:
1. Red - For "lowering" the semaphore signal.
2. Black - For setting point (US: switch) from "normal" to "reverse".
3. Blue - For setting the lock on the point set.
4. White - Spare/Unused lever.
With Mechanical signalling in mechanical signalling days, electrical track circuits were NOT available. So mechanical "Treadles" were positioned at critical positions to detect the presence of a trains wheels mechanically ! Obviously as this is a modern programme taken on the Mid Hants Railway, they are using track circuits as a cheaper simpler and more reliable method of detecting trains than expensive treadles.
Yep - and, if he could have made the video in a dozen chapters, each about 12 hours long, he could have gone through all the intermediate phases of development. But these videos are *an introduction to the basics* - not an exhaustive and comprehensive history.
Every signal 🚦 box was different. There's
Like line control unit when train gets to curtain point sets alam of I found frame strange part levers stands out instrument Tyler 3 position getting to know your area some bell 🚥 signals not my block book issue 1960 show north and south west
Im signalman from argentina
Hi
Was not by flag one policeman used trunchen
I pushed wrong button. 2nd Wasa plate with steel sheet operation by lever at bottom then come symphore signal earl 1800s a man did walk in front of the train
As Train pass over section the small power under the train sends signal back to the signal box shows train on line either on clock shape show line clear or occupied or by light on tack diagram
Er
"Signalman". Oooh, now you're in trouble.
They were signalmen then :)
In trouble? You mean from those tantrum-throwing screechy toddlers who call themselves 'woke activists'? Oooh, I'm weally, weally scared . . .
I call myself a *signalman* and I don't give a monkey's who I offend.
shame about the breach of safety processes at 0.12, you never walk in the 4 foot unless there is no cess, and as that looks like a two-way running lines, he should not be just looking forward but also behind. The biggest error there is not using the cess.
Although it is bad practice, this is a heritage railway and he probably knew there was no running.
He may have even have had a block on both running lines.
Which would mean walking in the 4 foot is acceptable.
I always find the 4 foot a very uncomfortable place to be, even with a line block on.
I know little but I know that BR is far behind our IR, in terms of technology and development.
FYI, British Railways no longer exists; it was all privatised decades ago. Secondly, if you know so little, who are YOU to to pass judgement on the railway technology in another country?
Why are all signalman white ?? I’ve been applying for this position and made it as far as interview but never further, thought it had something to do with my skin colour 🤔
the reason is, your interview didn’t go well enough. There are certain red flags they look for during interviews and if you’ve said any of them you will be automatically counted out for the job, nothing to do with skin colour and you would be better not to presume that in future, doesn’t lead to a happy life.
@@iknowyoureright8564 what are any red flags in your opinion?
What a weird way to refer to a signaller.
Would you rather I called myself a 'signalperson', to avoid upsetting the Gender Gestapo? Or maybe a 'signalmover of non-defined species', to fit in with the lunacy of those who 'self-identify' as anything but what they are, and DEMAND that the rest of us go along with their delusions?
GROW UP!!