The 2019 Apple Mac Pro Is Perfect! Well... Kinda.
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2019
- Is the 2019 Mac Pro going to be any good or is just another disappointment? Spoiler alert: it's going to be good. Mostly...
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Apple released the 2019 Mac Pro at their WWDC keynote to much applause. Sure, things like iPadOS, system-wide dark mode, and the creation of Project Catalyst (formerly known as Marzipan) which allows you to run iOS apps on the Mac are all major software changes, but the new Mac Pro looks amazing. The question is, can the 2019 Mac Pro compete with desktop workstation PCs using its server-grade hardware or is it just too expensive and overpriced like Macs of recent years? Snazzy Labs analyzes the new Mac Pro and its Intel Xeon W Cascade Lake CPUs. - Наука та технологія
Only 1.5 TB of RAM. A sentence I wouldn't have even dared imagine I'd hear.
In their high end build...which will net you 40k+
"640K ought to be enough for anyone." -Bill Gates on Hard Drives
@TheLuchsKing yes that is true. However they pitched the pc to the entire world. Last I checked your average person doesn't need a 50k computer. Also their base mac's spec is laughable. 256GB ssd? For a 6grand build? LOL. Only a 8 core processor? Only 16gb ram? FOR 6 GRAND? People put the same pc together for around $2500. What an insane markup. Mac+Monitor+stand+tax= $14000.
For $14k I put a 32 core thread ripper build together. Includes 128 gb of ram at 3600mhz, TWO 2080ti 11gb gpus, 4tb ssd, 4tb NVME, 10TB HDD, THREE 5k MSI monitors, AND I even included all the little things like mouse/keyboard/headphones. My ending price was $12.5 grand.
@alysdexia are you seriously correcting me on capitalizing for a response that took me 30 seconds to write....ON UA-cam? What are you my professor or something? Get a life..
@alysdexia you have no life
100% buying this... 10 ywars from now on eBay
me too
Just bought a Mac Pro 3,1 for $200 on eBay lol
Lol, by that time it will already be obsolete as Apple will drop support for Intel Macs by then. I'm already enjoying the Apple Silicon Mac Pro.
5:32
When he said “Speaking of IO and expandability...” I thought he was about to talk about the sponsor for this video smh
I’ve been watching too much LTT
HAHAHAHA IKR...😂
Kinda off😁
lol, true
me too
Same hahaha
"spares no expense..."
*looks around for velociraptor*
I still use a WD Velociraptor as a scratch file drive as its the best HDD complementary drive to a NVMe OS drive.
I think that he was making a reference to Jurassic Park, not WD hard drives.
excellent John Hammond quote
I can't wait to buy the cheapest 2019 Mac Pro on eBay in 3 years lol. Great video!
If apple keeps their promise of supporting this platform with update kits/modules it will probably retain its value quite well.
i don't even have the money for that lmao
Happy to wait a decade.
Dude, you are on eBay too much! LOL!
luke i bet you regret buying the 'trash can' now!
Livo : iPhones are overpriced
Apple: Hold my STAND
ipsu it’s a comment, calm down
@@AivoTV Wdym, I don't see a comment like that anywhere on this vid?
Edit: and if there is it's purely a coincidence.
Yawn 😴
I didn’t know… sorry, I’ll change it. Better?
@@AivoTV Lol srry again
The new VESA Mount was all you. Can’t wait to get one of these.
You forgot to mention the best sales pitch. If you buy the new $6000 Mac Pro together with the $5000 monitor, you get a $1 discount on the separately sold $1000 monitor stand!
Cleaning cloth included.
Whohoooooo! (Cue fake keynote clapping and cheering)
you have to keep in mind this is for seriously heavy duty PROs like those working in major industries for things like Film and Heavy 3D graphic work so those prices aren't exactly uncommon in those industries.
@@j.d.5709 It's a freaking stand! A U$1000 stand! I don't care if it is for major industries, it still is JUST a stand.
but the thing is, you don't have to. That monitor is for a very specific market that most of us will probably never even interact with. There's no one to tell you using a nice $1,500 monitor won't look great and work fine with the Mac Pro
I'm looking forward to the SnazzyLabs Hackintosh version of this.
At least you won't need a space heater with the 1400w power supply.
I use my 8700K as a space heater too! It's really nice in winter, not so much summer haha!
Your comparison build is $500 too expensive because you use a Radeon VII with 16GB and not the 8GB RX580 from the base model. So its 2600 vs 6000.
this confirms his point even more
sounds about inline with their usual 300% markup
And now all the internet is taking about a 11K $* setup like it was a normal thing
* 12K with the stand
normal pro thing.
not the “power user pro” thing that we’re used to because brands slap the term “pro” even on phones, the actual pro pro
but yea. normal pro pro thing, not normal normal thing.
Simon Sony makes a similar monitor and it’s $20,000
MalarkeyMan and its only the monitor without stand
review the $999 stand for the $4999 monitor pls
Mr. Breadw3 no just the stand
Mr. Breadw3 Is it a requirement at Apple that you smoke crack while on the job. A thousand dollar stand are you fucking with me.Their consumer level products are still trash
irave8592 nah they are actually are not.
Apple Watch
iPhone
AirPods
iPad literally untouchable
The new iMac 2019 is pretty fairly priced. If you want to choose the same components the price is about the same.
But keep talking shit buddy.
Apple supports your phone for about 5 fucking years with Updates. The IPhone SE is still going strong.
If you want a proper argument answer to this comment and I will gladly join.
LMAO! A $999 monitor stand - and worth every penny! LOL! Amazing that they cannot simply make it VESA compliant so that essentially any mount would work.
@@Smorfar those electronics are good, yes, but the extremely constricted ecosystem is what turns most people off in the first place. Add the price tag...you don't have happy haters.
Best mac pro overview video!! Thanks! There was so much misinformation out there from all the people scrambling to get videos out at first
I hope you saved up 40k for over that decade you've been wanting this computer
Lol I like how Quinn shaved because he wants to look young but he literally acts like a 40yo man. Who you fooling Quinn? At least when you had a beard you hid being gay much better.
Jan Ryan I fail to get the “gay” part, though I do agree that he looked better with a beard.
Jan Ryan I fail to see how this is related to the video.
Candbot Chan tomorrows Thursday
There are people who make that money in a week
This is a pretty realistic take on the Mac Pro. Good video
'C'est la vie' might not be the best mannerism, in that context. Something like 'bon voyage' might have been more appropriate. Thanks for the vid ! And good work steering Apple away from any 'stackable' nonsense !
nobiggeridiot no it's not. It's wrong even but this is a tech channel so i'll gladly overlook it. Au revoir would've been the correct expression.
Bon voyage thermal throttling!
Au revoir, thermal throttling!
Yeah, you were literally saying:
That's life
Sayonara would actually be a really good word for this situation. It's used as a final goodbye to someone you don't expect to ever see again. (Which if used wrongly can therefore also cause some serious shock and questions from your Japanese friends)
@@kklogins or *Adieu* if he wanted to still use French, because *au revoir* implies that you will see the thing or person again...
This is a very well done video. I look forward to learning about your experiences with the new Mac Pro this fall. Great job!
this fall I will definitely watch your 2019 Mac Pro video and many more to come.
My condolences to your business account when you preorder the Mac Pro lol
Well i guess he makes enough. He has an employee since a while and a couple film hardware tools easily succeed 1 mac pro
It's a tax write-off at least.
No matter if its $6000 or $60 000 most people who are going to buy this anyway are big companies and angry youtubers that are only going to use it to run 5 bench marks and complain that its not living up to their expectations...
Big business spending habits have changed dramatically these days; IT departments don't have the budgets they once had, everything has to stack up on the business case and WLC is the determining factor especially as most 'pro' software will run on both major OS platforms.
You forgot to mention the Afterburner card.
lenn55 underrated comment
GieniuMen does it really matter?
@GieniuMen Given how much it'd cost to run that in "software" (ie non dedicated hardware using whatever else is in the system) 4-6K would actually be pretty cheap given what it can do.
@GieniuMen dude but 4 RTX8000 are more likely to fail than one pice of hardware you must also think about that and 4 rtx produce WAAAAAAAYYYYY more heat than this one piece would do
Thanks for the perspective and research Quinn, great video
Really informative Quinn! Love you! Go get that Mac Pro!
Cest la vie was used incorrectly
That's life
@@raikoh05 Fuckin' roasted.
Probably he wanted to say "au revoir"
it's c'est la vie for a start lol
Thank you for revealing how stupid the 6k base model cpu is
The most stupid part is the SSD and GPU downgrade. Like seriously, $6000 for a system with a 580X? At least throw in a freaking Vega 56 please, like your other pro machines have. Plus 256gb SSD is downright offensive in a $6000 system considering NAND prices are plummeting and you can get a 2tb NVMe Samsung 970 Evo Plus for $500.
@RunFor OurLives what if, and just roll with me here, they sell a bare bones kit, case, motherboard, cpu for 1.5k and we supply the rest of the parts ehh.
This isn't that hard, these rigid skews are, especially that base model is just made to nikel and dime (or $100 & $1000) consumers, pro or otherwise.
upgraded model good, base model bad
@@TheBigAEC exactly, for 6,000 we should already be getting a very powerful machine , not just some scope for upgrades that's a very dumb assessment made by someone here
the cpu model does not match, Xeon W 2335 have 16.5 MB cache, mac pro specs sheet says 24.5 MB cache that looks like a Xeon scalable gold 6244, which is a 8 core costs 2900 dollars, the 256GB ssd is outrageous though
Thank for sharing your insight and your videos..
I am not an Apple user, never liked their products due to over priced and hard to upgrade and get parts, but I enjoy your videos, as you seem very intelligent and down to earth person.
thank you so much for the content man! You said exactly what I thought about this machine and sadly didn't have the words to say for my friends here in Brazil! Sharing this RIGHT NOW!
Thanks for adding a little perspective to the sticker shock. Great video Quinn!
Good job Snazzy my man! You did it! ❤️
Well thought out explanation and perspective, enjoyed hearing your thoughts on the Mac Pro and Pro Display.
Cheers!
Another great video. And I'll definitely wait for the full review haha ❤️
5:14 i think you meant "au revoir" 😂
"C'est la vie" means "that's life".
I was going to say this, but I knew in my heart it had already been said.
Dc au repertoire
As a French guy that confused me as fuck I was like :??????? ok
I've been waiting for your take on the new Mac Pro.... :-D
Love to see the channel growing!
Thanks!!
Great video as always Snazzy Quinn!
At 4:07 you circled the W-3225 as the 8 core option, but looking at the base and boost clock I'm guessing Apple is actually using the W-3223 as they match up exactly with the Tech Specs sheet on Apple's website (3.5 and 4.0 respectively).
Good catch, its the W-3223. (You made a typo 3233).
Carbongrip thanks. :)
Do I afford it? No.
Do I understand everything technology that Quinn mentions? Also, no.
But is it entertaining to watch? Yes!
Just wanna let you know, we love your videos at IIT, Delhi, India.
Tech Support scammer? Yes.
.
Don't get pissed it's a joke
I was talking to Manoa
Well done
@@osamashaher3772 who cracks jokes that are not funny? You
Dont get pissed its a joke.
Thank you come again
Base model is aimed at you tubers buying the machine to review it!
I’m not buying that one lol
And flawed as a marketing option given the base model really does not have a natural home with any user. Serious pro's won't buy it, and it's far to expensive for ambitious amateurs. As a statement purchase I'm sure some boutique companies may buy one to put on reception, but that's about it. For reviewers, the mileage on comparisons to significantly cheaper PC's and other similarly capable Mac's is there but may backfire on Apple.
All of them are aimed at UA-camrs who have literally no idea what a computer even is, they just hear higher numbers and nod along. Even the highest end 35k model, no professional is buying that garbage, you can get the same power for 6 grand, the same price of the base model, it's a outright scam.
As always, excellent video. I would love to see you build a comparable PC and see what it would cost. In my business (recording studio) I primarily use Apple products these days. I’m very fond of their stability.
Well deserved Snazzy Labs! Appreciate you!
The best video about the Mac Pro so far. Most youtubers just missed the point or are burned because they are not the target demographic of the Mac Pro.
Fernando Álvares but it looks like a cheese grater. Looks like cheese
Bruv you are mad... Target demographic? I get this is high end but if you are willing to pay a g for a stand, you are a fucking idiot.
Sam Morgan no one gives a fuck about the stand. Go on HP site and max out the workstation there. There are nearly the same price.
I'm sorry, but what demographic is this intended for ? Extremely high end graphics design or editing or something, really don't know why you need this instead of a regular pc
PhazonLord 4337 it’s a workstation PC. It is capable of streaming 3 8k Raw footage. like its not for normal people. Only for people who do heavy video editing and or maybe photo industry.
I love to have this beast in my design studio unfortunately my clients not paying enough for me to have it.
Wow this is the first time they had more slots since the power Macintosh 9600 great video
Easily the most thorough Mac Pro video I’ve seen yet, great job!
Thank you!!
Well with vega support. You should try to build a hackitosh in future to compete macpro.
T2 chip...
The new security chips in Macs means that hackintosh will die completely.
Well done Apple! A true professional's machine and some genuinely useful steps forward for the iPad.....Thank you Snazzy Labs for a frank and accurate report! i feel that the $6k machine may find homes in dedicated server spaces not as workstations...Apple engineers seem to have devised have a large and complex matrix of use cases that not only give the user flexibility but also give Apple good margins
I love your videos dude!!!
Is there a release date for Mac Pro yet beyond Fall 2019?
Many of the slots are blocked and cannot be used, when you put in some modules.
Apple ditched the dual digital audio ports of the G5 and Mac towers, that audio Pros love.
Tigerex966 you talk about those amazing TOSLINK ports? S/PDIF is another name.
S and P in S/PDIF stands for Sony and Philips that created the port.
Mac Pro Late 2013 had Mini-Toslink (3,5mm).
Really sad that Mac Pro 2019 only got one analogue (?) 3,5mm audio port. Apple did the same thing for MacBook Pro: from combo digital/analouge to analogue only - and INCREASED the price... :(
@@cjeelde true even my old MacBook Pro has digital through the headphone jack via a. Tiny $ 5 adapter
Tigerex966 some MacBooks got a combo analogue/digital 3,5 mm port. So buy a cable: miniToslink to Toslink and no adapter needed.
Or the solution I think you talk about: adapter. Is that a miniToslink to Toslink adapter? So you can use a normal Toslink cable?
You did it, Quinn! Well done!
We freakin' did it!
Hey Snazzy, question about the 5k late 2015 iMacs. Using it as an external monitor isn’t an option but is it? Is the hardware just not there or is it just locked feature?
I am interested in what configuration you are going to get.
£5 says it'll be a proprietary SSD and PCI SSDs will be blocked "for security" aka no home upgrades for you
I will take that action. You are probably right about the first thing though, but you said and, so it doesn't matter.
Typical apple.
Do I not see four USB-C ports and an HDMI port above the power supply at about 6:12?
Jep
That's the graphics card, so it's likely only DisplayPort over USB-C.
Yay! I was wanting your take on it
I rarely watch tech videos, but the moment I saw the Mac announcement I thought of your stackable Mac video and I was like “he’s gonna love that”.
How did you go about creating this video, point out the pros and cons and the pricing but not mention the $1,000 stand!!!!
Because he's an Apple fanboy...
180 -205 watts for 8 to 24 cores.. Clearly Apple did not look at what AMD has done. - $4000 for a 28 core cpu ?? come on man
Could be an exclusivity agreement between them and intel
Apple very likely is under contract with Intel to remain exclusive for X number of years from signing in 2006 during switch from PowerPC.
It's $4450, retail. You think Apple will charge retail?
Its for industry not for regular people
@@bepopxxx then why are they showcasing it on a regular people show and not on a corporate channel?
I liked how you called the monitor 10DR 😂 11:20
Make sure you do a video about what configuration you buy!
Also: should Apple release a lower end version of the 2019 Mac Pro? ie a modular tower (maybe mATX size) in the performance bracket of the iMac Pro?
Possibly the most powerful cheese grater *ever*
IKEA design: Cheese grater GRÄTHÖR - $10
Apple: let's add 3 zeros to the price
Love you man, compley agree keep telling apple how Mac's should look and work
Macs
@@ericwood3709 Macs Books Pros
I wrote a comment on youtube somewhere telling Apple that a pro display should come with an arm, not a stand, and should do portrait. - Your welcome :)
Speaking from my hackintosh experience, no optane module works with OS X, it kernel panics on boot when the NVMe driver loads if you have an optane drive installed.
PCI 16x V4 is arriving in AMD ryzen cpu with very fast SSD and not yet implemented in this machine?
I am just worried on the noise, 3 large fan and no fan extractor mean that it may be quite noisy and running at fast speed all time.
Also 64 lines on CPU, 16x connector x7, 2x 4x drive connector, some will not run at fast speed like in the macbook pro where the PCI line of the graphic card in in 8x
2 graphic cards? No more pci line available because of the size of the cards....
Still if you need a desktop with a graphic card it is still not exist in apple line. The old macpro is still missing.
This was exactly the detailed breakdown i needed 🙏🏼
Thanks so much, dude!!
Wow you hi fived him
I am definitely going to call it 10DR instead of XDR lol
This guy is as fluent as they come,love his presentation and friendly yet concise tone....as always stay snazzy!!!!
Do they use dust filters? I mean I had this kind of case about 10 years ago. It was better at collecting dust then a vacuum.
@@derisivepersona798 Even if the environment is not dusty, it will still collect lots of dust. I have no idea why they would design a case for that price without a mesh.
Maybe with the uptake in viewership after attending LTXEXPO, you can get the Top Sku. 😊
Don't forget that professionally priced monitor stand.
protip: nobody will be buying the monitor stand. professionals already have their own special monitor arms and stuff which they arent going to want to replace.
@@turke47 to even offer it at that silly price is.. re tar ded...
@@philosoaper sure, but nobody is really going to buy it, they'll sell some in very low volume to people who $1000 is nothing to.
the $6k base mac pro price is retarded too, but again, nobody is going to be buying a base model mac pro, apple would rather have them buy the imac
This is actually the best video on the Mac Pro that I’ve seen on UA-cam. Some of the different components on the computer were explained or put into context better than some of the other guys. (I’m not really a computer nerd!) So 👍
If you got a higher end setup and set it to mine bitcoin when not in use, how much would that earn, say over a 12 month period? I'm getting a fairly large solar setup later in the year (goodbye electric costs) and I'm curious about whether it's worthwhile using this as a an excuse to upgrade my setup. Or has the crypto mining game leapt too far away for regular folks to ever catch?
It's perfect, I was trying hard to get rid of that $12,000. Finally.
You are a real Pro! This computer is definitely for you!
Finally a truly professional reviewer
most reviewers in youtube only talk about the stand and I'm getting bored with that content, they don't see this "pro device" in "pro view point"
“Professional reviewer” LUL
look, a salty one
Great shill.
Outstanding video, like the way you point out the good and the bad, not just the bad and that it is out of range for most people.Outstanding video, like the way you point out the good and the bad, not just the bad and that it is out of range for most people. Hopefully Apple will come up with something in between the consumer and the ultra pro maybe a mini MacPro?
Are you going to get both the regular and rack-mountable versions? Will (either of) them be base, or are you going to go max?
Probably getting the 12-core config. We’ll see once pricing is announced tho.
It's a matter of time before they add a touch bar to the iMac keyboards...
Hi, Quinn
When you said "Speaking of"
I thought there was gonna be a sponsorship. Then i realise this isn't ltt
It's the conditioning
7:20 Is it really true that PCIe 4.0 actually will deliver 275 Watt over the slot? According to some articles from 2016 the slot will still only deliver 75W but the total supported power draw for a PCIe card would be 300W when using extra cables from the power supply.
Can't wait to see your Mac pro this fall 👍
Welp I’ll be living my dream of owning one of these through you I guess 😂🤷🏻♂️
It will look really cool if someone makes a custom see-through...case "shell"?
Like the iMac G3
Kinda missing the point of a 'Pro' machine. True 'Pro' will not care so much for the looks of the box; they care about capability, performance and reliability. A pretty box appeals to just the sort of people that either can't afford one, or simply don't need one!
@@dougle03 The outside is certainly not as important as the inside, but it does not mean it has to be forsaken or ignored (apple certainly thinks looks are important). If it was a universal truth that looks do not matter to a 'Pro' product then this computer would definitely look much different.
The rear is going to overheat. How are we going to cool the rear, if the fans are blowing towards it and it's covered?
How did you do an entire pan across the bottom of the machine and not mention the extra 4 thunderbolt 3 ports and HDMI port?
Until now, the only people I heard who were willing to buy the new MacPro are UA-camrs!
Because the Mac is made for them.
@@dogenasus1717 But this new Mac Pro?
@Udah Vektorin Aja Point taken.
@@chillax1688 Indeed. I would have loved to get a Mac with expandable RAM and storage yet still affordable, like my old G4. I don't need Xeon processors and killer GPU, a good Core i5 or 7 CPU and a decent removable graphic card would be enough. Of course, Apple could not do that; they had to come up with a niche computer hardly anyone will buy. That's why my latest computer is a hackintosh :)
@phillip martin I'll settle for troll :p
Snazzy, you should build hack with AMD Threadripper 3 with two radeon VII and compare it to base mac pro )
that would be great; destroying apple (once more) and this time even before the new "mac pro" even ships
The GPU Vega II Duo is the impressive thing, cuz AMD wont sell it to the public.
Juan Fonseca does it support thunderbolt?
There has been no change to the pci-e standard for the maximum power delivery through the pci-e slot, it's still 75w. They just have officially supported cards over 225w through external power. This is what I've seen in all articles AFAIK. If you can link any information saying otherwise, I'll be glad to check it out
Wait? I thought Thunberbolt cards could not be added. Meaning they work only with the Sonnet line of external equipment.???
It looks like the base CPU is the $750 one, not the $1200.
It’s all shits and giggles, but what we REALLY want to know is..
Does it scratch at level 6 with a deeper groove at level 7?
Idk. Does your ass?
ask jerry
@@kiattim2100 Haha! Nice!
Totally satisfied with my iMac Pro thanks. Like the expansion but in reality, I will just by a Sonnet TB3 cage if I ever need it. Think this machine is for really very high end/fast turnaround stuff and will do that job very nicely
I'm interested to meet a professional who'd need this mac on the top end. What workflow does require such a machine? Hollywood maybe, cause i can see some industrial solutions, but they won't work with mac os.
Pondo Pondo Nice to meet you. Film scoring requires this kind of power. And this is not a small industry. This is an industry that routinely spends $20,000 on a pair of studio reference monitors (speakers), and $8,000 - 10,000 for microphones. Thousands of dollars just to “soundproof” small rooms. I build custom template solutions for composers (some in Hollywood, some at Disney, and many others all over the world). I’m also a composer with a three slaved Mac Pro rig. These composers I work with currently slave multiple PCs and Macs together to host sample libraries and virtual instruments. The templates, which are made from several applications running together (also in a host/slave environment), tax the CPU, the I/O and require enormous amounts of memory per workstation (96GBs is usually the starting point for each machine), and all of this to get real-time playback. You may be familiar with Hans Zimmer, (composer - Inception, the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy and many many other big budget films), the last time I bothered to look, he was running 10 PCs slaved together to be able to playback his compositions in real-time.
In yesterday’s keynote, there was a demonstration of Logic X playing back 1000 audio tracks (not a huge deal), but was also at the same time, playing back 1000 virtual instrument channels. And it was all done in one application. I don’t think most people knew what they were witnessing. This is unheard of. I’ve never seen anything come close to this. That Mac Pro didn’t even flinch. I know how to squeeze every last ounce of power out of workstations, and what I saw in that demo was a minor miracle. Film composers would love to be able to run their template on one workstation, in one application (no hosting apps), and with these monitors too. Although the wide curved displays are really best for us.
I’m not sure why you say “they won’t work with macOS.” Who is “they”? The CUDA crowd is pretty much all PC, but that’s one segment out of an entire industry. At least in the music industry, macOS is by far the most widely used OS. For one thing Pro Tools is superior on the macOS platform. Windows is generally not well liked in this industry. Although some film scorers will use PCs for their slave machines they won’t use them for their host machine.
I hope that gives you some insight into one group of users that would love to get their hands on this beast. And many will of course because this kind of money is routinely spent on precision devices. Actually, the one industry where the 2013 “trashcan” Mac did pretty well in was in the film scoring, recording studio, tour production industries. Most audio applications don’t require any kind of GPU, (at least nothing special). DAWs are all CPU based. For those users, (and ones who didn’t need internal PCIe), the trashcan Mac Pro was a really good performer up until the iMac Pro came out.
I like this Cheese Grater look.
But i'm first not rich enough for any Apple product (litetally for me as a student at his first Semester in Germany (no pay for university) a iPad for 300€ is to expensive) and second don't know what i would need a Mac Pro for
globetrotter this is very much a niche product for very heavy duty creative work. Apple probably won't make very many of them to begin with. Unless you're looking for an enterprise-level computer, you won't need the Mac pro.
@@definitelynotobama6851 watch production start ramping up because of youtubers, who don't really need it, but will buy it just to review it hoping to make back the cost with ad revenue and keep it for bragging rights and video/thumbnail eyecandy...
Well hopefully your studies will allow you to be able to afford such things in the not too distant future.
Fully loaded HP Z8 is a cool quarter million. Twin 24 core Xeons and 3 TB RAM though...
That price sounds like a slight exaggeration, maybe 100K, but yeah the Z8 can become very expensive. It can actually do dual 28 core 8180s too
@@giggyolly Very slight. Total is $243,970.60 with the following configuration:
--Linux ready (necessary for full RAM config and also because Windows 10 is trash)
--Dual Xeon Platinum 8160m 24 core CPUs(Max RAM requires M-series CPUs, which shuts out the 28 core options)
--3 TB ECC RAM (this option alone is ~$200k of the price)
--1450 watt chassis
--4 Optane SSD drives
--5 2.5" SSD drives
--Triple Quadro GV100 32 GB video cards
--Twin Blu-Ray writers
--Bunch of add-on and warranty stuff
So I guess you can buy a fully decked HP Z8 and a new Apple XDR display and squeak in under a quarter million
I'm a design pro and have been in the biz for years. As someone who has both experience using a wide variety of PC's and Mac's, I can honestly say that for the price Apple is asking for this rig is outlandish. You're better off buying the Imac pro to supply your work needs IF you necessarily need to use an Mac. Just for the price they're asking you can custom build a PC whereas maybe get the parts on sale or not for a hell of a lot cheaper and/or powerful to exactly to your own specifications. It's a well known fact that Apple doesn't like people messing with the internals of their machines, so getting a custom PC for your everyday heavy work usage would be a better investment if not for the price, just for the added comfort of swapping parts effortlessly.
Did you see the presentation? Apple has emphasized that you can swap virtually everything in here. It supports anything that can fit in a PCIe slot (GPUs, audio cards, etc), CPU/RAM/storage expansion, etc.
@ 5:55 there are 4 more thunderbolt ports on each GPU mate, they communicate with main MoBo over that MPX connector - you have it mentioned on the slide @ 7:05 Cheers!
Depends on the GPU what IO is provided.
Snazzy Labs looks like we’ll have to wait until release to find out all caveats (bandwidth / functionality), but it looks like at least Vega II provides 4 TB ports. May be low end Radion Pro 580X is there just for the TB pass through so you can add any other regular supported card yourself. I think they went with the pass through not to waste bandwidth for connected displays - I remember reading about this being one of the major engendering concerns for designing 2013 Mac Pro follow-up couple of years ago!
I am Yet to decide for buying a 999$ apple stand or 999$ custom pc... can someone help me please?
KN 2 A stand can hold up your monitor stylishly, can a PC do that?
KN 2 a stand definitely you should buy a stand
@@CCTV_1984 With free cleaning cloth! lol
Finally they did it! The computer I need!! But can’t afford... 🤣
Based on the table you show at 9:51 you miss labeled the Base config CPU. Based on Apple's website it is the 749$ one with 3.5Ghz base and 4Ghz boost clock. So the even CPU is sub par for a 6k$ base machine as all the Ryzen AMD CPUs support ECC.
What about the other ports you didn't mention like the 4 thunderbolt 3 ports and the HDMI port on the bottom of the machine at 6:13 in the video above the power ?
That’s dependent on the GPU config you get.
@@snazzy Oh okay I wasn't aware of that, sucks that they have very little inputs and outputs on a class of machine like this... seems to be the way with Apple though you pay more for less. Will be interesting to see what you think when you actually buy one for yourself to test out.