The Best Apple MacBook Pro You Shouldn’t Buy
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2019
- The new 2019 MacBook Pro has fixed a lot of issues; but not enough.
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Apple's redesigned MacBook Pro released in 2016 ditched all of the ports in favor of USB-C and Thunderbolt 3. The decision bothered many as did the Touch Bar-an accessory deemed too expensive and insubstantial to warrant a price hike-but the keyboard has remained the worst single problem with Apple's worst laptop lineup in decades. Reliability of the butterfly switch has been dismal at best and has soured the reputation of a once great laptop lineup. Can the new 8-core i9 CPU save MacBook Pro? No. But it fixes a lot of issues the prior models have had. That said... you should just wait for the new rumored 16-inch MacBook Pro with MicroLED display. - Наука та технологія
I think they called the keyboard butterfly bechause it's as fragile as a butterfly
Marco H. You mean more fragile than a butterfly 🦋
It's because of the shape of the switches I guess
It's because when you break one on this side of the world, a chinese sweatshop worker on the other side of the globe dies inside because they have to make another keyboard for someone
Because when you touch a butterfly's wing, it dies because of your skin oil.... Just like how the keyboard self-destructs when you touch it.
Or maybe they re ephemeral / short lived like a butterfly
well made review, took everything you learned from the previous segments and included in 1 great video. Underrated youtuber.
Thanks so much, man!
Yeah awesome video. You know it is good video when 11 minutes pass like nothing.
Truth!
butterfly keyboard: proof that the butterfly effect works. Tiny things CAN have huge consequences!!!!
yeah it do be like that
no matter how many cores it has still using the same cooling design ....awesome...lol
It's OK though, Macbook Pros have never been called "laptops" by Apple because they would in fact sear your legs if used in that position. An egg needs to reach only about 158F to become firm, so the underside of a typical MacBook Pro can be used to make a perfect omelet whilst you use it to scroll through Kijiji in search of a more human-friendly device. If you were to wear, say, polyester fabric and mistake the mBP for a "laptop" prepare to have the upper portion of each leg surgically removed as modern medicine attempts to separate the two melded hydro carbons. There's an app called Macs Fan Control that I highly recommend; just set it to the High setting (permanently). You can also carry a large heat sink in your "laptop" bag to help dissipate the heat. The wing of an antique aircraft works well if you have access to a aerospace graveyard. Water cooling is also a fine idea, though this may generate considerable steam (beware if you use glasses).
@@gorkyd7912 LMFAO dude!!
Quit griping! Just put it on a box full of dry ice & use a bluetooth keyboard whenever you use it. Problems solved!!
You’re right about the same cooling design but they upgraded the fans from 5200+RPM > 6000RPM so it cools a tiny bit better but considerably louder I think.
@@rocketraccoon1976 just to use the laptop. 🤦🏾♂️
Thanks for also saying the temperature is Celcius!
Random. Celsius is pretty much the standard for computer thermal results. You would be very hard pressed to find anyone who uses Fahrenheit
@@aanesijr pleasant all the same.
@@aanesijr You would be very hard pressed to find any country in the world who uses Fahrenheit, too
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Ohh the USA how archaic and behind u are when it comes to your measuring systems........
I am so freaking impressed. You did all the tests I care about. ALL OF THEM. I expected a rant where I would think to myself "try the cooler, try lm, try adjusting the fancurve.. but no! You did it all. Why the title? This was awesome
Super appreciate this - Know you had some video woes in the process. Was looking forward to your take, and love the depth you go to! Thank you!!
This review was highly informative and explained really well. Keep up the good job!
Super frustrating. Love your videos though. They get better every upload
Thanks!!
Great video! Thanks for putting the effort into this! 👍
Damn.. The research done for this video.. Respect!
First video I've ever watched from this channel and I have to say, the quality is phenomenal. Simple, well prepared, in-depth, excellent audio and great b-roll. Overall a deceptively simple video with great content flow and top notch production behind the scenes. Brilliant, I'm subbed!
One of the best reviews I’ve seen in my life. Thank you. You are charming and funny as well.
Thanks so much!
Well done and great objective tests.
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Appreciate the length you went to make this review, very informative, thanks!
I am very impressed with the quality and detail of this review. Subscribed.
Apple had one of the best laptop keyboards on the market with the chiclet keyboard, I never will understand why they ditched it
Think different!
They wanted a smaller profile which sacrificed all the stuff we loved and wanted. Keyboard, ports, removable power chord. I'd rather a chunkier MacBook with better keyoand ports.
Man, this is a good review/buying advice. You did some serious testing before posting a video...thank you.
Really like your videos. Thank you for making them.
great video. covered everything that matters
I love how this guy tinkers with Apple stuff. They must hate him lol
All that free advertising drives them nuts. Only Linus Tech TIps does more.
Swift Boiz I love watching Louis’s videos, even as an Apple fan. He generally seems to be a pretty chill guy.
Swift Boiz, swift.
I know it doesn’t make sense but, I just wrote it. Also, I agree with your reply (/opinion)!!
If Apple hate this guy, then they will despise Louis Rossman, he takes apart MacBooks and never recommends them, gives good breakdown explanations. See his channel.
So the thing that they need to improve from now on is the chasis and the price!
Thanks ... Very satisfying review 👍👍
The "improvements" to the keyboard are to make the inevitable keyboard repairs cheaper for Apple.
...Repairs? No no, you mean replacement that customer will be buying lol
I think they also made it possible to change out the individual keys instead of the entire keyboard. I don't know if its actually the case, but heard some talk about it
Apple hasn’t been “upgrading” old keyboards brought in for warranty repair with the redesigned switches if that’s what you’re wondering. They’re fixing your old shit and hoping that you’ll take care of it. When that keyboard breaks again after the 4 year program is over you are left without lube and in the assumed position to buy the new shit and shut up.
@@mikaels-p6765 that is very unlikely. The whole keyboard is one sealed unit that is actually RIVETED into the topcover which warrants either the complete replacement of the top cover or you need to rip it out, thread the wholes and screw in a replacement. I can guarantee you that this will be far more expensive due to labor so they will "simply" switch the topcover.
This
Hahaha that “cool down period” comment with the firefight clip was on point 🤣👨🏻🚒
Well, that is an improvement. And don't call me Shirley.
It is, Shirley!
@@snazzy Savage😂😂😂
@steve crawford 🤨🤨
Hey Quinn! I picked one of these up this week. Needed the boost in performance from my MacBook Air. Thanks for breaking this down for me. I still feel good about the purchase even though there are still some issues as you outlined.
I just want to say, your narration is top notch. I simply listened to this video over headphones while doing chores, and was completely able to follow along and essentially "see" the action in my head. Been a long time viewer, and love your content.
Are you Doug DeMuro's brother? Or techy double?
lolol
Daddy Doug is my papa.
@@snazzy "I love it when you call me big poppa" haha snazzy snazzy snazzy can't you see, the way you talk about macs just hipnotizes me XD
@@snazzy I would actually believe that, if it weren't for the different last names. You look so much like him, and share similar humor! I mean that as a complement of course!
Have a fab day!!
I'd really love to see someone review tech the way Doug reviews cars. Especially old tech. Imagine Doug reviewing one of those old thinkpads (701C) with the transforming keyboard. "And now, let's talk about its quirks and features. On most laptops the keyboard is limited by the size of the case, but no, that wasn't good enough for IBM. They decided to make their keyboard present itself as you open the case."
3:40 You know what they say, the 4th redesign is the charm *HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH*
You know what, I've decided you are one of the best Tech reviewers on the Tube. Really! I love how you are not just playing follow the leader as most other reviewers often do...Geekbench this, Cinebench that. Great that you add in some value added insight. Plus you are generally entertaining to boot!
BTW: As some other Tech sites are starting to do, if you really want to compare 'Apple with Apples' on the CPU front...comprehensively , then I would suggest including the Blender Render Benchmark. A real world test performance test (beyond transcoding). Keep em coming!
great information , thank you very much
1:30 Doug DeMuro in recommended. Another man of class, I see.
Eeehh..
Macs Fan Control is an absolute diamond as far as I'm concerned, brilliant piece of kit.
Great review Quinn! On top and fast as always with the latest in Apple
Awesome report. Thank you. !!
I bought a 2018 model in March. 2.7 GHZ I7, 16GB of RAM, 512 SSD. I really like it, but I do fear the keyboards inevitable demise lol
Lincoln Riddle I wish you would have returned it, and bought a used 2015 instead off Craigslist
Same here, I fear the soldered in SSD's demise more than the keyboard. Will this computer suddenly become a very expensive doorstop after a few years.
I would trade in a M.2 connector for a few mm of thickness any day of the week on these machines.
RogueTravel I have a 2015 MacBook Pro for my job. It struggles to run the latest versions of Premiere and After Effects and it’s a high end model haha now that could be isolated to just this one computer, but I didn’t want to take any chances
RogueTravel no no no come on ... RIP 2015 MacBook Pro
@@billB101 You don't have to worry about the SSD for a long, long time.
The hand motions this guy makes is hilarious esp the part when hes like "if youve been living under a rock" ahahah
Nice video, your tests were nice and well explained!
Thank you!
I had the 2018 MBP 15" i9 and had crazy throttling issues. Tried TG Kryonaut, not much difference, tried TG Conductonaut, little better but still into high 90s. That laptop cost me £3500. Sold it and bought a Gigabyte Aero 15x that has a stunning 4k Pantone Calibrated screen for £1850, which has an i7 8750h, 16GB Ram, 500gb SSD, RGB keyboard etc. Upgraded the ram to 32GB, added another 1tb SSD as it has a spare slot and it never goes above 85 degrees and that's at 3.7ghz, full pelt. So I have a 15" 4k i7 8750h, 32gb ram, 1.5tb SSD and 95wh battery (9hrs browsing, 4ish heavy work) for a grand total of £2090. Virtually identical weight, better real usage battery life, way better screen, upgradeable ram, storage, battery etc. Apple has lost its way and I will never buy an overpriced arrogance project from them again. They think that they know best. They solder the ram on as they know that if you need 3wgb ram you have no choice but to buy it from them. I upgraded my ram for a grand total of £81. The 1tb Samsung 970 Evo was £160 on offer. That's a hell of a lot less than Apple. Want a decent modern laptop without being a slave to Apple's greed. Buy a Windows Laptop such as mine.
I am using 2012 15 inch non retina macbook pro still growing strong with all ports and long travel keyboards 😃
Me too. I have 2012 15 inch MBP with 2.6ghz. I made an upgrade.. With 16 GB of ram and put an ssd Samsung Evo with 250 gb.
With all of that.. It's enough specs for me as a musician.. And to travel. I can say that 2012 is the best macbook ever made for that!
"Forth redesign a charm" lol
love your videos brother, keep it up!
Wow great video . Loved it . I returned my i9 2018 MBP after hating the keyboard and bought a 2015 mbp. I swear I love it . They keyboard and F1 keys are just too good .
Now try and test something that stresses both the CPU and GPU. I bet that MacBook will dive deep into Throttleland territory.
It's already 3°c off t junction, this thing will just turn off at that point
Davinci Resolve will stress the CPU and GPU, be interesting to see how that runs in the standard config with a few FX and some grading thrown in.
I'm wondering if it has something to do with the thermal readings. I'd be skeptical to trust those readings. Why?
When the 2018 macbook pro started getting headlines about its thermal performance, apple immediately told intel to remove it's third party CPU temperature measuring application from their site.
I'm skeptical, and I'm not sure why? The computer needs to know when to start and stop its fans so those measurements need to be accurate af. But still there is a shred of doubt in my mind ...
@@rehmanarshad1848 So you think that the company that makes those processors doesnt know how to design a software that reads internal thermal sensors
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@@darthybai no I think they are deliberately lying on the sensor readings on the front end, the back end has the real values and that's whats ensuring that the fan control works properly. I don't like being overly suspicious, but c'mon it's an 8 core intel core i9 in the same chasis, and the freezer test came out inconclusive. He is using the first party monitoring tool, I'd like to see him using any 3rd party tool. Just to be on the safe side. My spider senses are tingling. Lol 😂🤣🤣🤔
I have 2016 MacBook Pro and the keyboard is still going strong but I''m not a daily user of my laptop.
I am a daily user and no problems at all
Tashinga Dekune same, works fine with me and I work daily with it and write A LOT.
Maybe if we clean it daily and use it daily
It will work good
@@talkmun655 or just use a rubber keyboard cover.... That's thin enough to type, and keeps away the dust
@@talkmun655 honestly I'm staying at my 2012 MacBook Pro with Intel i7
Great testing
Thank you for the awesome content!!
The ten core imac pro is still the best computer in apple's current lineup. My only mistake was not buying the 10 core and getting the 8 core, but it's still been a wonderful machine. IMHO.
could you try undervolting? it greatly improves performances on i5-8250 and the like
great review and analysis
good video as always , good job man
moral of the story?
*always put your macbook pro inside a freezer when exporting videos*
dont forget to *MAXIMIZE FAN SPEED*
Your video is really good. Thanks for condensing the-latest Apple gimmicks.
This is the "kind" of review/video that we want to see not just a typical video that only read the description of the item. Great Job!
Great video, you tested every possible scenerio :D
Best 2019 macbook pro review on youtube
I continue to have a quiet hope that the MacBook pros will be like pre-retina versions... I think those days are over.
They should also improve price 2020.
Over 1200$ for 128 GB SSD is hilarous.
I agree I have a 2017 mbp 13 non touchbar. I like the feel of the butterfly keyboard, but I’ve already had to return it once because the mechanism started to feel and sound “crunchy” and I didn’t want to wait. A good keyboard cover seems to have helped and I now see it as a must if you have a butterfly keyboard.
MLTA
Make Laptops Thick Again
Thicc*
I don't know if it's even possible but it would be cool to see if you could fit a Lenovo Thinkpad keyboard into a MacBook Pro.
Never noticed this before but you have a great smile Quinn and noticed it as the video was finishing.
Al always, a good video just telling the true! :)
Thx Snazzy Labs! :)
Keep doing a good work :D
Respect for buying the laptop for the video
Got your point but, do most of them really have to do that? it's just not equating
Thinking of getting the 6-Core i7 version. Never had a Mac in my life. Switching from PC
I did that change about a year ago and Im still lucky about my decision
I have been using a 2014 macbook pro 15 inch i7 still works well only issue I've had recently is performance took a dive but turns out the reason why is because my battery needs to be replaced and apple slows performance when the battery goes bad luckily the full replacement is only $200 that includes the labor. Not a bad deal in my book as I will probably be able to use it for another 2-3 years.
Honestly get a 2015 maxxed out macbook pro 15". Amazing screen, amazing keyboard, pretty great processor, decent-ish thermals, and upgradable SSD!
Great video... thank you buddy...
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Awesome video. Touches on every subject and brings a final answer based on the results from testing. Can't be much better than this really!
Thank you!!
The keyboard is just unacceptable. Period.
I got my MB pro since spring 16 and my keys work perfect.. But since almost everyone owning a newer one has problems with the keys... I guess im the exception
I dont get it. 1mm extra in hight would double the heatsink size, maybe fix the keyboard, and leave place for more outputs like LAN and displayports.
I would choice a normal sized workstation Lenovo, Dell or HP labtop any day and for half the price.
Why fix junk when people keep buying your junk.
you're absolutely right, but they tend to stick with a design for years to recover their production/r&d costs (engineering etc.). I think they already realised they messed up (hence the "generous" repair programme) but they'll stick to this horrible design for some more nevertheless, because it is "cost-effective" to do so. Except it damages their reputation big time, but this is something you don't compute.
Snazzy Labs I am a fresh one week Macbook Pro 13 2018 user, after 30 years of powerusing PCs. And thus far this is the best YT channel dedicated to these topics. I think Touch bar, gestures, entire ecosystem...all great features and I am never ever going back to PCs! :)))
I prefer my desktop most of the time, but I feel that my MacBook Pro is an amazing mobile device. I even like the keyboard, just wish it wasn't so fragile. I also really dig the Touch Bar, I prefer it to mouse seeking. And the touchpad is the best I've ever used, hands down.
how did you manage to run all those tests and those compares , really amazing review and expert point of view
When running inside a freezer, Apple keeps the fan quiet instead of getting the clock speed higher is exactly like Ted Beneke spent the $617k to buy a Mercedes Benz instead of paying his taxes in Breaking Bad.
Siva R that's crazy no?
@@transhowspuertorico5075 I know some people that think this type of fan behavior is good.
Apple: Why redesign the chassis, the keyboard, and the thermal solutions when people are just gonna buy the MBPs anyway?
Awesome review man!
Awesome video, much more comprehensive review compared to others! A really good explanation of how the current gen cooling system works and why the results don't change under normal circumstances due to the fan config and the other details which other channels don't really describe.
Thanks!! :)
>A small percentage -Apple
>A majority of machines -Reality
I wouldn't say a majority, most have no problems with the keyboard.
when he is waiting for a Mac Pro and it literally comes out in like a few weeks.
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The 2019 MacBook Pro 13 | Its Actually Pretty Good
You had me at the words, “funnily” and your pronounciation of “innovative”. Subscribed.
excellent review.
I didn't knew there's a software to rev the fans.. I'mma use it now
Mac's fan control is the best one trust me I use it on my MacBook😂😂
with 2016 pro, i swapped my keyboard twice.
Great vid! You definitely answered some important questions and really qualified everything you did in a super clear way!
I’m so frustrated with our favorite fruit company. I currently own the most recent addition iPad Pro 12.9 as well as a much older (like 2010) 24 inch iMac with a maxed out 12g I7. I would like to be able to video edit in Premiere ultimately on a MacBook Pro. (Btw, the current version of Premiere does not jive with my iMac. It needs at least 16g etc to run).
Should I purchase an older MBPro now and edit on it until the next major MacBook touches down in a year? Or buy a one of the new current ones?
Thankyou Thankyou 👍🏼
Excellent review. Your results are consistent with mine. How did AppleInsider get theirs to stay at 3.0 GHz though multiple consecutive Cinebench R20 tests? I can't get more than about 2800 on mine, and they are getting the average of 3000 or so. Mine is i9 2.4/32/Vega Pro/1TB.
I’mm tttypin ths on 2018 mckboo pr
Vadim Martynyuk 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Will you make a video about Hackintosh on laptop and change the wifi card for Bluetooth and Wifi for Airdrop?
Clearer than your average tech video. Well done.
Hi Snazzy Labs~ im planning to get an iMac 2019 27" in August, can you review that as well? Should i wait or should i buy? seems the new iMac 2019 is way better than iMac 2017~
"If it ain't broken, don't fix it"
My message to Apple as a non-Apple user.
My message to Apple users...... "LOL"
"If it's broken, don't fix it"
Apple's message to their laptop and desktop diviision.
"You're very hot!"🔥🔥🚒
My message to macbook cores
Apple: "What is this word, 'fix'?"
Really? At $4000 with all that hardware, you can't get RAM faster than 2400mhz??!!?!?!
Amen! Imagining the heat issues with this design though- and faster RAM 😡🤯. I love the neat & quiet Apple designs, but there has to be better a cooling solution.
Great video!
I finally decided to get the i7 processor 15 inch 2019 today, am tried of waiting each year lol 😆
Does the i7 15 inch 2019 throttle as well? I can't find any reviews on the i7 model.
Souvik Saha it works fine, sad part is 16 inch mac book pro came out after 6 days, bigger storage the only difference, tried to take it back, wish I bought it from Apple store the would have replaced for me easily lmao
@@faultylog3713 Man i feel ya. I prebooked the 15 inch macbook from a non-apple store and payed a hefty advance, they won't give the 16 inch , have to stick with the 15 inch now.
I will not buy macbook pro until they make it same design as macbook pro 2012 with complete io and good keyboard but with modern cpu gpu and ram
... great video ... thank you ...
¡Excelente video! Me encanta tu trabajo Quinn.
Gracias querido amigo. Saludos!!
I have some over 20 year old rubber dome Keyboards from Dell and Fujitsu and they still work as new - even after fluid spills, tons of dust and a lot of physical abuse :^)
So do the old Apple ones before they only cared about thinness. Lol
i could make a joke on how you like your keyboards like you like your women. ready for lots of fluid spills and years of physical abuse, but it wouldn't strictly be true since i don't know you, so i won't say that.
@@robertidonotsharemyfullnam496 i like your humor 😁
And I'm here still with my late 2011 MacBook Air.
Missing Steve times
I just recently bought a new “2017” MacBook Air 13 fully optioned out because I know Tim Cook is going to drag this on into the next generation to try and make the 2020 mbp even thinner. Because “courage” and dumb bullshit. I want my ports and I want a nice keyboard with macOS. If this is the last MacBook I ever buy then I’ll be happy keeping it around for 30 years to just check email and balance a spreadsheet.
Mark M hi. Excuse my ignorance but what do u mean “optioned out”? Out of everything I’ve been reading the last few days as I decide which Mac I’m going to buy (or not) your comment is the most interesting since this may be the way I go.
@@Miamis4me305 highest spec
Raziah Aysam thank you. Google is wonderful lol I found it! I also just bought it. This is exactly what I was looking for.
I love my Macbook Pro 2017. I don't have keyboard problems, I love the touchbar, I love the screen, I love the trackpad. Performance is fine, I however do not have a high spec model.
Emma Nieuwenhuis As long as you like it, that’s all that matters. It’s fitting your needs right?
I’m already waiting for 4 years a good MBP like the one from 2009 that I’m still rocking (although with SSD and RAM upgrades). My current MBP has serious battery issues, so I need a replacement. What would you recommend: Mac Mini, new iMac or wait another year (again)? Thanks
ah yes I love watching all these videos bashing on the 2019 apple pro after i literally just bought it 😀
How's it going? I'm considering buying one now, 15" 32gb 256gb