Would have been really cool if they incorporated the acquisition of the Relic in the actual early game instead of just flat out selecting a boring 2D icon during character creation. Example: You start out with no relics but someone in the first town tells you about these relics, a little backstory about each one and explains to you that they are each hidden in a different dungeon/temple. You only get to choose one though. Each dungeon's theme and monsters would reflect its relic and after defeating a minor boss you would gain it. The other temples would then be closed forever. Something like that.
Yeah.But that d b too much work. Selecting at the start reduces lot of time and effort. This game is already barebone.They didnt even change folder names in installation!!! They dont give a fuck.
This game should have been called Basic. Because everything it does is the bare minimum. Nothing stands out nor innovative. This game is the most lack of effort I have ever seen. They also want more money for it...it was originally 30$ when it had less polish. They spit on it a little and now they want 40$. *facepalm*
To be honest something this basic could do well on handhelds like Nintendo Switch or Mobile. But for PC and Console...it is utter garbage. It literally cant compete with itself. Torchlight 2 is hands down the better game.
I've been playing this game for about a week and am having a pretty good time with it. It does feel incomplete and a bit shallow but I also have this feeling that the game has a HUGE amount of potential. The foundation is really strong, I love the graphics, the sound, the feel of it. If the devs can continue to support it and add more content and gameplay options it could become a big contender in the ARPG scene.
You can say this about thousands and/or millions of dead games. Most of the time this kind of wishful thinking never comes true. Which is why they are dead games.
@@Darius851226 These days are different cause it has become way easier to continue to add content and updates, just look at all the indie games and small studios being supported for a long time, thanks to the community.
@@Mitsoumi21 They worked on the game through all the Early Access. Why would they stop now? The end of support for TL2 was certainly a mistake, they should realize that.
@@antongrigoryev6381 HAHA :d You know what company your dealing with right? Game will not get anymore actualy content from them now lol.. It's just another wolcen cash grab
From Torchlight 1 to 2 there is clear improvement, 4 classes instead of 3, customisation, no longer gender locked, a ton of skills, the game was more than just going down a mine, the graphics were improved. But now from 2 to 3, It just feels like a bunch of steps back.
Bind Force Move to your mousewheel. Works like a charm for me in D3, where I use it mostly for micro adjustments to my positioning (Impale DH) or to untangle myself from a blob of monsters.
I bought this game for my Switch b/c TL2 was so good. Well, it's actually quite bad and not at all worth the high price that is being charged for it. Even though it is older, TL2 is better and much cheaper.
Exactly, I have zero interest in the game JUST because of the classes. I want to be a man that grows in strength. Not some moron with a train whistle or a emotionless robot.
It's just so obvious to see that it was meant to be a casual f2p multiplayergame, but then halfway thru they decided to change it to singleplayer, and because the budget ran out they had to release it in the limbo state it is now. Hard pass for me, unless it comes for a serious discount.
you can still try it by pirated version! Skidrow, Reloaded, Codex, FitGirl, CPY, and lots more. I saw T3 in the pirated list. If you try it and like it, you can buy it then!
Save your money. This game doesn't hold a candle to TL1 or TL2. This was an obvious ripoff of their garbage "Torchlight Frontiers," MMO that failed miserably. The game is hollow, generic & bland. It plays like a mobile game & has nothing to do with the previous games.
With the limited skillpoints those sets with + 1 to skills are actual not bad as you think, you can easy spare some points to use elsewhere. When you have played long enough you will see every point count .
i hope there's more options to increase movement. i lvoed d2's charge with the hdin and tele. along with faster run stats on gear. so far all the movement looks really slow.
I personally believe modern games are actually too lenient with builds today. There's no more risk or improvisation involved. there's too much focus on the builds. I kinda like the aspect of dealing with the cards you are dealt. It makes you focus more on the rest of the game instead of just constantly obsessing over needing the absolute best build possible. Always going after the best build feels more like a chore or a math exercise to me. If you don't like your skills, just make another character.
torchlight series for me its perfect in its chillness and simplicity, i can come after work, and chill in fantasy candy world kill some monsters without any pressure ;) i luv torchlight
I know people aren't that much into it, but if they just added console couch co-op, it would be an instant buy for me and my girlfriend. We'd just love to have more choices to play together, rather than only Diablo 3. We've bought Minecraft Dungeons and Warhammer Chaosbane solely because they can be played together. Why do games ignore such a crucial feature?
Try chronicon. Game developed by 1 player and what a beauty. Started 1 week ago and I'm hooked. You can also completely respec your character for free unlimited number of times. It's not that expensive also. Check it out
@@bumponalog5001 How is it not if that feature alone can sell more copies? I've seen plenty of people couch co-oping ARPgs on UA-cam and Twitch alone. If your game can support multiplayer, and easily on one screen as many other similar games have proven, why not make the effort to add it?
@@Vaticider69 i agree it is very different feeling . if attacks patterns and enemies get more complex but you get more powerful and more abilities to play around it rather then u do more dmg and take less dmg doesnt feel rewarding at all,
1. I will wait and get this on the Switch next week. 2. It seems to fit the Switch better as it is meant to be a more casual game. 3. I am completely ok with it being "a little shallow" as some have mentioned...I don't want every game to be something I have to sink HUNDREDS of hours into...
the housing comment made me laugh. my wife is the same way but with clothing. she doesn't care much in real life but in games she'll spend so much time picking out everything. i'll have to give this game a try. great video.
Uhm why? It's a fantasy game. How is it any different than a witch doctor summoning zombie bears? It's like people just cap their imagination to what fantasy setting can and can't do.
How do you group up in multiplayer? Is there a group finder lobby or easy way like that to jump in and out of groups and find random people to play with?
A legendary item is not just made by how rare it is...but how powerful and unique it is. Most games fail at itemization...even some of the more popular games have had trouble in this area EVEN POE struggles with it, so does grim dawn.
Legendarys mabey carry the idea of being more powerful...but uniques serve as a less powerful variant of rare weapons but hold unique qualities that enable a build or unique gameplay
Considering the development it has seem to improved. But I am personally going to wait another year for some more extra stuff to be added. Also i'd value this at about 20 bucks so.
You guys are incredibly dumb, sorry. Its not extra stuff what the game needs, it needs FIXING and redesign of many many mechanics. And sure, adding others but the game needs serious fixing first.
I don’t remember much 3 years ago but I remember playing torchlight with my friend and it was one of the most fun games I had ever played, torchlight and every other game I’ve played came from game pass so sadly I can’t play it again but I loved it.
if you are just doing the campaign and not doing any endgame content it will take roughly 15-20 hours to finish the game. Longer if you like exploring and completing maps. But for the most part it is a short and hollow game. No content...the story is crap too.
@@Darius851226 15-20 hours mb short for ppl sinking like 100 hours a month in d3 but for ppl like me who have child at home and are glad to play mb 1 hour at max a day are glad if games are only that long so we can move on to the next game
tldw: no go play chronicon instead, a game where more love and dedication was put in by just one guy also forge is the fking worst character design i have ever seen
I feel sorry for developers. Clearly they care, but also clearly they have no idea what to do with this game. generic mashup of arpg mechanics without any spark. Looks pretty though
I remember the maps from TL2. It was odd that they capped out around level 90 or so, but your character could go up to level 100, so a lot of them became too easy. I hope TL3 doesn't do the same thing.
I've been playing on the hardest difficulty. It scales very well. I don't know about end game because I'm not there yet. It is not easy at all. You can't just grind out of either. Quickly you stop getting experience from the lower levels. At the start it feels fine. Then after lvl 5 you see a real slow down. Then lvl 10 hits and everything starts hitting you like a truck. The item drops are based on the area's level. You can't just farm your way out of it either.
If you enjoyed Torchlight 1 & 2 then Torchlight 3 will not be what you are really looking for. Besides housing it took quite a few steps backwards from T2 and isnt really a sequel that moves the franchise forward like it should have.
Did they ever fix the shit targeting? I remember during alpha you could be standing on top of something and miss every hit unless you were standing in just the right spot. Game-killer for me.
Well I was hyped and was thinking that they would do some things better in 3 and now I only read negativ things about it, well it breaks my heart that 3 missed many things that I loved in 1 and 2... I will skip it :(
It looks like it could be a fun game to play, but there's no way I'm paying the $40 they're asking for it. Once it gets down to $15 or $20 I might give it a shot.
I didn't care for it during pre-release, but I tried it again yesterday and it certainly plays much better now. They do need to work on the optimization though
I honestly still really dislike it, poor decisions on UI, I hate that the map and inventory take up your whole screen locking you down. The lack of variety is still huge, this should be a switch exclusive, Torchlight Mobile or just not torchlight at all.
I feel like the shift in direction from an MMOARPG live service game to a traditional ARPG really cost this game a lot of dev time and features. Here’s to hoping they can add to it and improve on this game in the future, and that they make enough money on it to keep up developing. They’re good devs that tried a little too hard to innovate and had to restart. I have faith!
Left click to move only was a complaint I had since TL 2. Played over 200 hours of that and still can't believe they didn't change it for the third one.
People really hate this game, I've been playing it and really enjoy it. I mean, it's not going to compare to something like Grim Dawn , PoE, or Last Epoch (all of which i've 100s of hours of). But for a more shallow and streamlined action RPG experience, i'm finding it pretty fun. Maybe even more fun than diablo 3 lol
diablo 3 was shit. Blizzard just want your wallet... Last Epoch seems to be really cool, but peoples complains about the graphic aspect lol... Path of Exile was good when i played it years and years ago! lol. it's probably still a good game. Torchlight 2 was to me, the best hack and Slash i played! T3 seems to be boring.
@@allashama Last Epoch definitely feels a bit clunky, both in the visual aspect as well as the general feel of the combat, but the build depth is amazing.
great review vulkan! i agree with more customization for the click-to-move key. i don't know if you know this but a good fix or the reason why the didn't add this is because most players use the shift to key to attack without moving. if you use that, you'd never run into needing or preferring click-to-move. diablo 2, the tons of hours people soaked into that is why they feel they don't need to change.
The ONLY thing that matters is the combat mechanics, if they're fun, interesting, and engaging. You make an 11 minute video and don't talk about the only important part
The skill system in this game is not like in Path of Exile. In POE, passives are not skills/abilities. They are modifiers and in the simplest of terms they provide more offense, defense, etc. and if you want to change skills, you need only swap out a skill gem. No respect points needed. Regret Orbs drop as a currency and Refund points can also be earned as quest rewards. So you are not "STUCK" with a skill.
2 has way more customization, plus you have Mods which create even more gameplay. Torchlight 3 on the other hand is still being updated and developed by a studio. So it really comes down to what you want: less customization, but still getting studio-led content (good or bad) versus a deeper game to start fueled by community updates.
Endgame is boring, challenges with increasing level make no sense without mobs getting harder or loot getting better, new drop system is crap. Basically as of right now it makes more sense to wait, than rather pump in hours of gameplay to grind out legendaries that actually never drop.
@Josh derp Torchlight 3 doesn't have any real endcontent. Doing challenges over and over and increasing the level has zero progress towards my character. Steam ratings clearly show that people are not happy with it.
@@antongrigoryev6381 Sure but I guess we can agree, that running challenges with increasing levels, that have no affect or better gear is pretty lame right?! I wanna see/feel the character getting stronger. Not happening in Torchlight 3.
Not in the game. We lost fishing, embers(gems), dual wielding, interesting environments, interesting/diverse bosses, and to top it all off. This game wasnt even made by the original developers of Torchlight. New developer and this is their first game ever. IT SHOWS...omg does it show.
@@BlueVoltageBlader Everything will be fine, you need to watch others play and play more yourself and you will be fine. Check in with me more often, there will be more to come!
@@TaLaPredator I’m very comfortable playing Diablo 3 and Darksiders Genesis with controller, if they let me play Torchlight 3 with one I’ll be far more comfortable sat on my couch.
the way they design the legendary doesn't make you feel the effort you put in worthwhile. Its kinda like " oh legendary, lets equip it then move on" compare to " HOLY SHIT, *after equip it* LOL this is FUN!"
What you said about the endgame (lack of variety) is what killed Diablo 3 for me. I loved the game and the adventure mode specifically but always fighting the same bosses got old really fast. The seasons gave us something else to do but it ended getting boring fast too unless you really wanted the items. I still haven't gotten around to finish Torchlight 2 so I'll wait a bit on 3. I hope they find somekind of fix to variety issue by the time I get it.
Checked a lot comments, seems like a no. I might get it if it at least have a couch coop on switch just to play with my family. But they don't have that option either.
I bought it on sale for $4 on switch. It was fun for about 5 days. As soon as I got to the second act I lost almost all my interest in the game. The lack of a solid story was what did it. The second area just felt like the first but with a reskin. Not very happy with the skill unlocks either, I played the mage and rail master. Every fight begins to feel the same. What I did really enjoy was the base building and customization. I found myself hunting fame to unlock more decorations. Maybe I should just play Animal Crossing.
TL3 really just looks like an early access F2P with a price tag on it. Which .. it's been an alpha F2P ever since it started .. and it's still stuck in that phase .. but now they've made the mistake of trying to charge for it. It's definitely a "on sale for really cheap" title. Which is really disappointing because TL2 was a really great game with no longevity and I was really hoping they'd learn for TL3 but I guess not.
Imo, the end game map system will always be boring in any arpg regardless of the variety of bosses, maps or themes. The core idea of going through randomly generated maps that keep getting harder to infinity, where you have to keep min-maxing the shit out of your build to see how far you can go.. it just feels shallow and unsatisfying.
I'll reserve judgment till i play it all i will say is this game has big shoes to fill after tl2. Which was a great game this however still has room for improvements to be made i mean it just released to the public today in full access so if the devs are smart and can handle criticisms they could potentially do great things with this game
I still think T2 's better than 3.. 😁 yUP' playing Torchlight 2 now in 2021 (my first time Hack 'n Slash ARPG game on PC) And I'm Loving it! It's Awesome
It's an okay game, nothing more than that. It's kinda hard to give any reason why anyone who has and still plays TL2 to jump into this though, and for people who don't... well.. it's hard to recommend this over TL2 as well, especially considering TL2 is so much cheaper, so it's in a very weird spot. The one good thing I can say about it over other games in the genre is that it feels really nice to play on a gamepad if you're into that
Been in this one only since EA and I've enjoyed it to a point but it's probably not going to be my main go to. KOA, Last Epoch, and Grim Dawn are my main go to games right now.
Gear tactics, AC valhalla, and hopefully Alaloth in the near future. Why would I want to drop 40$ on this. This is should be a 20$ game tops. Darkwood was 14$ and that game was fuckin awesome
Judging from reviews, feels like the game has some potential and keeps improving. And seems that it's till not as good as vanilla Torchlight 2 (no mods)? But people really like to bash this game and talk shit about it, without having a clue about development. Like comparing it with Borderlands 3 (which likely has ten times the budget, plus each DLC costs nearly as much as this entire game). Or calling it a mobile game...why, exactly? The only disappointment in this all is the ARPG crowd, really. Game's fine. Hope it keeps improving, and will pick it up at some point (got a backlog to sort through anyway)
The crowd/fans of Torchlight has a right to be disappointed in a game that is basically an abomination of F2P, MMO, and ARPG designs all mashed into one and hoping for a good game to fall out. The Devs literally only exist because Perfect World didnt want a company that made non live service games. So they shut Runic down...the real developers of Torchlight Franchise. Later on after they had picked up Echtra this idea of live service only bit them in the ass and they had to do a 180, Frontiers to Torchlight 3. Basically they shut down Runic for no reason. Tell me what about this I should be happy about? Not to mention the game is completely inferior to Torchlight 1 and 2.
Would have been really cool if they incorporated the acquisition of the Relic in the actual early game instead of just flat out selecting a boring 2D icon during character creation. Example: You start out with no relics but someone in the first town tells you about these relics, a little backstory about each one and explains to you that they are each hidden in a different dungeon/temple. You only get to choose one though. Each dungeon's theme and monsters would reflect its relic and after defeating a minor boss you would gain it. The other temples would then be closed forever. Something like that.
Yeah.But that d b too much work.
Selecting at the start reduces lot of time and effort.
This game is already barebone.They didnt even change folder names in installation!!!
They dont give a fuck.
This game should have been called Basic. Because everything it does is the bare minimum. Nothing stands out nor innovative. This game is the most lack of effort I have ever seen. They also want more money for it...it was originally 30$ when it had less polish. They spit on it a little and now they want 40$. *facepalm*
That's actually a great idea. They'll probably steal that for an update down the toad lol
@Josh derp Agreed.
w0w bro u should contact them and ask them to hire u no jk
1:19 For a moment I thought my UA-cam crashed.
Same
TLDR: The game experience is shallow and aimed at new players to the genre.
To be honest something this basic could do well on handhelds like Nintendo Switch or Mobile. But for PC and Console...it is utter garbage. It literally cant compete with itself. Torchlight 2 is hands down the better game.
@Josh derp You can't have played many arpgs then...
I was not ready for this Wildstar reference.. miss this game so much!
seriously.... i miss that game it was so good, they should of brought it consoles it would of shined.
This hit the feels much harder than I thought it could.
@@Monox1de7 Especially with the Sony crowd. It was Ratchet and Clank style humor in an mmo.
I've been playing this game for about a week and am having a pretty good time with it. It does feel incomplete and a bit shallow but I also have this feeling that the game has a HUGE amount of potential. The foundation is really strong, I love the graphics, the sound, the feel of it. If the devs can continue to support it and add more content and gameplay options it could become a big contender in the ARPG scene.
You can say this about thousands and/or millions of dead games. Most of the time this kind of wishful thinking never comes true. Which is why they are dead games.
@@Darius851226 These days are different cause it has become way easier to continue to add content and updates, just look at all the indie games and small studios being supported for a long time, thanks to the community.
These devs won't continue to support this game. modders might.
@@Mitsoumi21 They worked on the game through all the Early Access. Why would they stop now?
The end of support for TL2 was certainly a mistake, they should realize that.
@@antongrigoryev6381 HAHA :d You know what company your dealing with right? Game will not get anymore actualy content from them now lol.. It's just another wolcen cash grab
From Torchlight 1 to 2 there is clear improvement, 4 classes instead of 3, customisation, no longer gender locked, a ton of skills, the game was more than just going down a mine, the graphics were improved. But now from 2 to 3, It just feels like a bunch of steps back.
Totally agree. This looks like a hot mess.
Word. The only thing standing out to me is the Switch port, but it's not good enough yet to be worth purchasing since Torchlight 1+2 were much better.
@@LS-bk7xo and iirc they're both on Switch
Sir, you are too kind :P
i love my modded Torchlight 2. just dont know what I get from buying Torchlight 3. Housing? meh
Bind Force Move to your mousewheel. Works like a charm for me in D3, where I use it mostly for micro adjustments to my positioning (Impale DH) or to untangle myself from a blob of monsters.
It looks promising, though I’ve always liked the stuff most people hate. Just started playing. Actually looking forward to this.
I bought this game for my Switch b/c TL2 was so good. Well, it's actually quite bad and not at all worth the high price that is being charged for it. Even though it is older, TL2 is better and much cheaper.
It's Black Friday soon
@@UA-cam_Globetrotter its gonna be free on epic games store on the 30th i believe
Yeah I was hyped for TL3 after playing TL1 and (especially) TL2, but it's just not good. I played it for a few hours and then uninstalled it.
Going with gun+focus and suddenly pulling out a bow from your ass to fire some arrows...gg developers
They should have designed the Sharpshooter to fire arrows or bullets depending on which weapon you were using.
Yeah I always hate that
I had no idea they released it. Saw an ad of Facebook. Crazy.
WTF are these classes? This is the first time I've ever lost interest in an RPG at the character select screen.
My thoughts exactly. A train conductor and a robot... why?
to each their own i guess. For me its a plus to actually have some unique classes instead of the cliche swordsman,mage etc.
Exactly, I have zero interest in the game JUST because of the classes. I want to be a man that grows in strength. Not some moron with a train whistle or a emotionless robot.
I like it offers unique classes
Same. These are unique but in a bad way.
It's just so obvious to see that it was meant to be a casual f2p multiplayergame, but then halfway thru they decided to change it to singleplayer, and because the budget ran out they had to release it in the limbo state it is now.
Hard pass for me, unless it comes for a serious discount.
you can still try it by pirated version! Skidrow, Reloaded, Codex, FitGirl, CPY, and lots more. I saw T3 in the pirated list. If you try it and like it, you can buy it then!
$20 on the early access. Well worth it at that price. I have no idea what it is after release.
@@herpderp66 its now 40
I'm going to stick this on my wishlist, hopefully it will get some improvements and I can pick it up on sale later.
That's where I'm at. And I ADORE Torchlight 1&2. Gonna wait for sale and hope for good updates.
Save your money. This game doesn't hold a candle to TL1 or TL2. This was an obvious ripoff of their garbage "Torchlight Frontiers," MMO that failed miserably. The game is hollow, generic & bland. It plays like a mobile game & has nothing to do with the previous games.
Throw it to the pile! ;D
I'm not even finished with Torchlight 2 yet
torch light 2 is a master piece i finished it twice, but is 3 worth $40 ? idk let me know if u buy :)
Yep! Right there with you. I'm not that far in it too.
Then you should finish TL2, replay it over and over again.😎
@@louzynerd129 It's free with xbox game pass pc.
With the limited skillpoints those sets with + 1 to skills are actual not bad as you think, you can easy spare some points to use elsewhere. When you have played long enough you will see every point count .
Agreed.
i hope there's more options to increase movement. i lvoed d2's charge with the hdin and tele. along with faster run stats on gear. so far all the movement looks really slow.
not please dont make this like path of exile, oneshot AOE with 3000% mov speed.
Thanks for a solid review. Big fan of the series and have been looking forward to this. Can't wait to play.
Imagine having to choose your whole build blindly before even jumping into the game... big th0nk, devs.
Sounds a lot like Path of Exile...
@@phillipedgar8409 well that game is free
@@phillipedgar8409 Just as bad of a design call there as it is here.
It´s just one part of your build though. I also would prefer to be able to change it somehow, but it´s not the whole game
I personally believe modern games are actually too lenient with builds today. There's no more risk or improvisation involved. there's too much focus on the builds. I kinda like the aspect of dealing with the cards you are dealt. It makes you focus more on the rest of the game instead of just constantly obsessing over needing the absolute best build possible. Always going after the best build feels more like a chore or a math exercise to me. If you don't like your skills, just make another character.
torchlight series for me its perfect in its chillness and simplicity, i can come after work, and chill in fantasy candy world kill some monsters without any pressure ;) i luv torchlight
I know people aren't that much into it, but if they just added console couch co-op, it would be an instant buy for me and my girlfriend. We'd just love to have more choices to play together, rather than only Diablo 3. We've bought Minecraft Dungeons and Warhammer Chaosbane solely because they can be played together. Why do games ignore such a crucial feature?
Because it's not that crucial. You said so yourself most people aren't into it.
Try chronicon. Game developed by 1 player and what a beauty. Started 1 week ago and I'm hooked. You can also completely respec your character for free unlimited number of times. It's not that expensive also.
Check it out
@@bumponalog5001 How is it not if that feature alone can sell more copies? I've seen plenty of people couch co-oping ARPgs on UA-cam and Twitch alone. If your game can support multiplayer, and easily on one screen as many other similar games have proven, why not make the effort to add it?
Amazingly detailed review. SUBSCRIBED!
It never felt like I was getting more powerful, it felt to me like the mobs got weaker....did not satisfy at all...
Isn’t... isn’t that the same thing? The more powerful you are the weaker your enemies seem
@Paul Trams Wheres the whining, I gave an opinion, and ended it there... the game is boring.... since you need to attack me gfy
@@Vaticider69 i agree it is very different feeling . if attacks patterns and enemies get more complex but you get more powerful and more abilities to play around it rather then u do more dmg and take less dmg doesnt feel rewarding at all,
Do anyone know if there will be more updates and DLCs for this game or its the final version?
1. I will wait and get this on the Switch next week.
2. It seems to fit the Switch better as it is meant to be a more casual game.
3. I am completely ok with it being "a little shallow" as some have mentioned...I don't want every game to be something I have to sink HUNDREDS of hours into...
the housing comment made me laugh. my wife is the same way but with clothing. she doesn't care much in real life but in games she'll spend so much time picking out everything. i'll have to give this game a try. great video.
is torchlight a finished game or updates are continuous? I'm really concerned bc of the in depth feedbacks
rail master was such an absurd class design.
Uhm why?
It's a fantasy game. How is it any different than a witch doctor summoning zombie bears?
It's like people just cap their imagination to what fantasy setting can and can't do.
How do you group up in multiplayer? Is there a group finder lobby or easy way like that to jump in and out of groups and find random people to play with?
so torchlight 2 moded is still better for now?
Anything is better than this rubbish.
is there a single player mode?
A legendary item is not just made by how rare it is...but how powerful and unique it is. Most games fail at itemization...even some of the more popular games have had trouble in this area EVEN POE struggles with it, so does grim dawn.
In poe there are no legendary items
@@steamh4mmer264 Different classification name its the same shit. Legendary, unique...ect
Legendarys mabey carry the idea of being more powerful...but uniques serve as a less powerful variant of rare weapons but hold unique qualities that enable a build or unique gameplay
@@2killzore thats the weak view on that. I don't accept they need to be weaker than anything but a legendary. All these kids need to go play diablo 2.
Considering the development it has seem to improved. But I am personally going to wait another year for some more extra stuff to be added. Also i'd value this at about 20 bucks so.
You guys are incredibly dumb, sorry. Its not extra stuff what the game needs, it needs FIXING and redesign of many many mechanics. And sure, adding others but the game needs serious fixing first.
I don’t remember much 3 years ago but I remember playing torchlight with my friend and it was one of the most fun games I had ever played, torchlight and every other game I’ve played came from game pass so sadly I can’t play it again but I loved it.
Thanks for the video man! One question: how long does it take to finish the single player campaign?
if you are just doing the campaign and not doing any endgame content it will take roughly 15-20 hours to finish the game. Longer if you like exploring and completing maps. But for the most part it is a short and hollow game. No content...the story is crap too.
@@Darius851226 ah thanks for the reply. I usually do the campaign and a bit of endgame. Guess I'll sit this one out
@@Darius851226 15-20 hours mb short for ppl sinking like 100 hours a month in d3 but for ppl like me who have child at home and are glad to play mb 1 hour at max a day are glad if games are only that long so we can move on to the next game
@@Darius851226 i enjoy the game, have spend 700 hours in it so far.
@@johnpoulsen77 didn’t the game come out today ?
I remember playing TL1, TL3 doesn't seem to have much of a graphics bump.
can you turn off the blood in settings like in torchlight 2?
As someone that’s new i think level 5 is too low for the option to swap your relic. I got to level 17 on my first Play.
My first reaction was: Is this Torchlight 2 modded?
I know it's cheap to reuse assets, but damn.
tldw: no go play chronicon instead, a game where more love and dedication was put in by just one guy
also forge is the fking worst character design i have ever seen
This. Grim Dawn and Chronicon are instant classics.
I just wish chronicon wasn't so unpleasant to the eyes. But still such a good game.
+1 for Chronicon
I feel sorry for developers.
Clearly they care, but also clearly they have no idea what to do with this game.
generic mashup of arpg mechanics without any spark. Looks pretty though
Nah, this is the absolute worst of the series. Game-breaking bug bonanza still. A very bad game overall
what about lifebound system? is it still in the game?
Does the switch version offer local co-op?
does it have local/couch co-op for 3-4 players?
I've enjoyed it so far.
Does it feel like an mmo?
@@missionpupa not really.
I remember the maps from TL2. It was odd that they capped out around level 90 or so, but your character could go up to level 100, so a lot of them became too easy. I hope TL3 doesn't do the same thing.
I've been playing on the hardest difficulty. It scales very well. I don't know about end game because I'm not there yet. It is not easy at all. You can't just grind out of either. Quickly you stop getting experience from the lower levels. At the start it feels fine. Then after lvl 5 you see a real slow down. Then lvl 10 hits and everything starts hitting you like a truck. The item drops are based on the area's level. You can't just farm your way out of it either.
If you enjoyed Torchlight 1 & 2 then Torchlight 3 will not be what you are really looking for. Besides housing it took quite a few steps backwards from T2 and isnt really a sequel that moves the franchise forward like it should have.
Did they ever fix the shit targeting? I remember during alpha you could be standing on top of something and miss every hit unless you were standing in just the right spot. Game-killer for me.
Well I was hyped and was thinking that they would do some things better in 3 and now I only read negativ things about it, well it breaks my heart that 3 missed many things that I loved in 1 and 2... I will skip it :(
yea, its not really Torchlight 3. its Torchlight Frontiers, a f2p game they changed to Torchlight 3 very late in development.
Imagine punishing your players for wanting to play the game in different ways via respeccing. What a novel idea.
Imagine having to make a decision and stick by it :0 imagine having to commit to something for once in your life :0
@@AFpaleoCon honestly, respecing ruins games I’m glad it’s not here
@@AFpaleoCon its a f king video game, not life,
It looks like it could be a fun game to play, but there's no way I'm paying the $40 they're asking for it. Once it gets down to $15 or $20 I might give it a shot.
I saw the trailer and thought free or like 15$
I didn't care for it during pre-release, but I tried it again yesterday and it certainly plays much better now. They do need to work on the optimization though
I honestly still really dislike it, poor decisions on UI, I hate that the map and inventory take up your whole screen locking you down. The lack of variety is still huge, this should be a switch exclusive, Torchlight Mobile or just not torchlight at all.
I feel like the shift in direction from an MMOARPG live service game to a traditional ARPG really cost this game a lot of dev time and features. Here’s to hoping they can add to it and improve on this game in the future, and that they make enough money on it to keep up developing. They’re good devs that tried a little too hard to innovate and had to restart. I have faith!
great review man!!
Left click to move only was a complaint I had since TL 2. Played over 200 hours of that and still can't believe they didn't change it for the third one.
You mean like every ARPG ever? jesus christ..
People really hate this game, I've been playing it and really enjoy it. I mean, it's not going to compare to something like Grim Dawn , PoE, or Last Epoch (all of which i've 100s of hours of). But for a more shallow and streamlined action RPG experience, i'm finding it pretty fun. Maybe even more fun than diablo 3 lol
diablo 3 was shit. Blizzard just want your wallet... Last Epoch seems to be really cool, but peoples complains about the graphic aspect lol... Path of Exile was good when i played it years and years ago! lol. it's probably still a good game. Torchlight 2 was to me, the best hack and Slash i played! T3 seems to be boring.
@@allashama Last Epoch definitely feels a bit clunky, both in the visual aspect as well as the general feel of the combat, but the build depth is amazing.
great review vulkan! i agree with more customization for the click-to-move key. i don't know if you know this but a good fix or the reason why the didn't add this is because most players use the shift to key to attack without moving. if you use that, you'd never run into needing or preferring click-to-move. diablo 2, the tons of hours people soaked into that is why they feel they don't need to change.
Thx for the video and no thx for the game! 😊 You're still too kind with this game. 😊
Must try this. I love TL 1 and 2. Especially some mods . Awesome video.
Also the relics go for certain classes.
The ONLY thing that matters is the combat mechanics, if they're fun, interesting, and engaging. You make an 11 minute video and don't talk about the only important part
but they are clunky, horrible and extremely minimalistic, and always feel out of place...
Much better to add more content on Torchlight II like PVP, Dungeon Raids or even make TL2 an MMORPG with class progression rather than releasing TL3.
Very well written review ^^
The skill system in this game is not like in Path of Exile. In POE, passives are not skills/abilities. They are modifiers and in the simplest of terms they provide more offense, defense, etc. and if you want to change skills, you need only swap out a skill gem. No respect points needed. Regret Orbs drop as a currency and Refund points can also be earned as quest rewards. So you are not "STUCK" with a skill.
Good review. Thanks, dude.
so, should i play offline or online? is there a big advantage playing online? cuz, lag is real
can i crossflatform this between pc and switch? thanks
Nope :(
I have only ever played Torchlight 1 which I enjoyed but never played 2. Which one is better? This one or 2?
2 has way more customization, plus you have Mods which create even more gameplay. Torchlight 3 on the other hand is still being updated and developed by a studio. So it really comes down to what you want: less customization, but still getting studio-led content (good or bad) versus a deeper game to start fueled by community updates.
Endgame is boring, challenges with increasing level make no sense without mobs getting harder or loot getting better, new drop system is crap. Basically as of right now it makes more sense to wait, than rather pump in hours of gameplay to grind out legendaries that actually never drop.
@Josh derp Torchlight 3 doesn't have any real endcontent. Doing challenges over and over and increasing the level has zero progress towards my character. Steam ratings clearly show that people are not happy with it.
@@dasoul3710 How it is any different in any other ARPG? I hardly can imagine any other type of endgame for this genre other than endless maps.
@@antongrigoryev6381 Sure but I guess we can agree, that running challenges with increasing levels, that have no affect or better gear is pretty lame right?! I wanna see/feel the character getting stronger. Not happening in Torchlight 3.
Loved Torchlight. Torchlight 2 a bit less. But then Grim Dawn happened and not even considering Torchlight 3. Grim Dawn is just awesome
But, what about Fishing ?
Not in the game. We lost fishing, embers(gems), dual wielding, interesting environments, interesting/diverse bosses, and to top it all off. This game wasnt even made by the original developers of Torchlight. New developer and this is their first game ever. IT SHOWS...omg does it show.
Move only on spacebar is the way to go for any game in this genre. Having to use mouse buttons at all is bad design.
This game isn't even worth pirating lol.
What a letdown.
The character customization options in Torchlight III are top-notch.
hi, can i get recommendation melee build for Sharpshooter?
@@BlueVoltageBlader Hello, I don't like to advise, you just need to play and everything will come by itself!
@@gamegeek62 thanks for the encouragement.., confused while playing it since everything become a summon, even the buff
@@BlueVoltageBlader Everything will be fine, you need to watch others play and play more yourself and you will be fine. Check in with me more often, there will be more to come!
Does it have controller support? I’m not playing with a keyboard and mouse.
Games of that genre are not comfortable with gamepad.
@@TaLaPredator I’m very comfortable playing Diablo 3 and Darksiders Genesis with controller, if they let me play Torchlight 3 with one I’ll be far more comfortable sat on my couch.
@@Cloysterpete well in that case on the store page on steam it says full controller support
@@Sephyroth97 No, not for me, it’s great for me playing such games on a controller :)
@@Cloysterpete it’s releasing on console soon so I assume so
the way they design the legendary doesn't make you feel the effort you put in worthwhile. Its kinda like " oh legendary, lets equip it then move on" compare to " HOLY SHIT, *after equip it* LOL this is FUN!"
played TL2 just now, it looks / feels way better than this 'new' thing... those class and models just look.. ugly..
What you said about the endgame (lack of variety) is what killed Diablo 3 for me. I loved the game and the adventure mode specifically but always fighting the same bosses got old really fast. The seasons gave us something else to do but it ended getting boring fast too unless you really wanted the items. I still haven't gotten around to finish Torchlight 2 so I'll wait a bit on 3. I hope they find somekind of fix to variety issue by the time I get it.
Just meh. Way to kill the hype, devs.
The devs of Torchlight 3 and the first two are not the same :)
@@loonysyndicate8553 It shows.
Grim dawn > torchlight 3 all day long.
Checked a lot comments, seems like a no. I might get it if it at least have a couch coop on switch just to play with my family. But they don't have that option either.
You're a fantastic reviewer. Great job. First time visiting your channel but I'll be definitely returning.
I bought it on sale for $4 on switch. It was fun for about 5 days. As soon as I got to the second act I lost almost all my interest in the game. The lack of a solid story was what did it. The second area just felt like the first but with a reskin. Not very happy with the skill unlocks either, I played the mage and rail master. Every fight begins to feel the same. What I did really enjoy was the base building and customization. I found myself hunting fame to unlock more decorations. Maybe I should just play Animal Crossing.
lol. :D anyway good review.
TL3 really just looks like an early access F2P with a price tag on it. Which .. it's been an alpha F2P ever since it started .. and it's still stuck in that phase .. but now they've made the mistake of trying to charge for it. It's definitely a "on sale for really cheap" title. Which is really disappointing because TL2 was a really great game with no longevity and I was really hoping they'd learn for TL3 but I guess not.
Imo, the end game map system will always be boring in any arpg regardless of the variety of bosses, maps or themes. The core idea of going through randomly generated maps that keep getting harder to infinity, where you have to keep min-maxing the shit out of your build to see how far you can go.. it just feels shallow and unsatisfying.
If I had a title asking a question for my video, I'd finish the video by answering the question directly. Oh well.
Since diablo is old news and POE is a crash mess this is the only arpg out on PS4 till PS5 release so it should keep me busy till then.
I'll reserve judgment till i play it all i will say is this game has big shoes to fill after tl2. Which was a great game this however still has room for improvements to be made i mean it just released to the public today in full access so if the devs are smart and can handle criticisms they could potentially do great things with this game
I still think T2 's better than 3.. 😁
yUP' playing Torchlight 2 now in 2021 (my first time Hack 'n Slash ARPG game on PC)
And I'm Loving it! It's Awesome
I love this game can't get enough of it, I made a rail master summoner so fun
It's an okay game, nothing more than that. It's kinda hard to give any reason why anyone who has and still plays TL2 to jump into this though, and for people who don't... well.. it's hard to recommend this over TL2 as well, especially considering TL2 is so much cheaper, so it's in a very weird spot. The one good thing I can say about it over other games in the genre is that it feels really nice to play on a gamepad if you're into that
Torchlight III make me want to play Torchlight II again...it's really bad and many things missing
Been in this one only since EA and I've enjoyed it to a point but it's probably not going to be my main go to. KOA, Last Epoch, and Grim Dawn are my main go to games right now.
i skip phase beasts also as i have fought wideload once and it gets old quick
Gear tactics, AC valhalla, and hopefully Alaloth in the near future. Why would I want to drop 40$ on this. This is should be a 20$ game tops. Darkwood was 14$ and that game was fuckin awesome
Judging from reviews, feels like the game has some potential and keeps improving.
And seems that it's till not as good as vanilla Torchlight 2 (no mods)?
But people really like to bash this game and talk shit about it, without having a clue about development. Like comparing it with Borderlands 3 (which likely has ten times the budget, plus each DLC costs nearly as much as this entire game). Or calling it a mobile game...why, exactly?
The only disappointment in this all is the ARPG crowd, really.
Game's fine. Hope it keeps improving, and will pick it up at some point (got a backlog to sort through anyway)
The crowd/fans of Torchlight has a right to be disappointed in a game that is basically an abomination of F2P, MMO, and ARPG designs all mashed into one and hoping for a good game to fall out. The Devs literally only exist because Perfect World didnt want a company that made non live service games. So they shut Runic down...the real developers of Torchlight Franchise. Later on after they had picked up Echtra this idea of live service only bit them in the ass and they had to do a 180, Frontiers to Torchlight 3. Basically they shut down Runic for no reason. Tell me what about this I should be happy about? Not to mention the game is completely inferior to Torchlight 1 and 2.
Is this out of "early access" now?
Yes.