How to Install a Bathtub Drain and Overflow
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Jeff shows us how to install the tub itself with a new drain and overflow. A must see for DIY plumbers.
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I watched this video hoping for a detailed demonstration of installing the bath overflow because it's alignment is critical after the tub is in place. You provided a little explanation about accessing it between the tub and the wall and the importance of dry fitting it.....then, suddenly it was done with the cover on. Do you show more detail about installing and sealing the overflow in another video?
Thanks for the video. One thing I've learned from the comments section on many of these bathroom drain installation videos is that the correct glue and gluing both parts of the joint are critically important.
especially if you are using the pipe from the builder store. Very poor quality
I like your videos except that you edit out the difficult parts. Those are the things that DIYers need to see. I think it is good to know that others have similar issues during projects. I would have liked to see how you tackled the overflow; that could not be easy.
He has more recent videos that are more detailed about tub installations.
Agreed. In addition, Measurements are important and the watcher is unable to see point to point where measurements are taken.
Getting me a Rigid ABS cutter from Home Depot in Canada, the tool I didn't know I needed.
Hey I'm installing new plumbing for my tub and having a hard time getting around floor joists. Does it matter how many bends I use to get around things?
Thanks mate, I did pay to go on a plumbing course a while ago and whilst we covered the installation aspects there wasn't the the time to cover some of the smaller details. I loathe using silicone, seems like such a bodge, plumbers mate seems a lot better solution.
The truth is simple anywhere you use silicone to keep water out...it will fail. It's not a matter of if just when.
VERY GOOD! Thanks Jeff!!
Thanks Carl, Let me know if there is anything i can help you with.
This fills me with hope!
I like that tool you use to cut oot the old pipes
Always test fit the tub before gluing up the fittings. If walls are out of plumb/square, you might be repeating the whole process.
Very nice practical I developed this knowledge
This guy is awesome calm and very informative
Your video are the best!!
Please do a video on how to install claw foot tubs.
Fish tanks are made with silicone, it is made to stay in water. Great video, I'm going to buy that pipe cutter. Thanks.
Exactly. Silicone is the last thing you need to worry about with standing water. Just use high quality product and apply it properly. This guy is so good at teaching that you ALMOST believed everything he said even though it's incorrect information.
Did you use plumber's putty on any of the rubber gasket mating surfaces? (underside of the drain and back of the overflow?)
Hello Jeff.
Got an idea for a video. Here's the situation: We're an older couple and my wife doesn't like stepping over the edge of the tub every day. So, my next honey-do assignment is to install a shower. Removing the old tub is "easy" and 60"x30" Shower Pans are at Lowes and HomeDepot. Installing the new shower drain to the old tub drain? Existing piping is probably metal pipe with no access under the new shower pan when it's in place. Plan? ...dry fit, measure, then wander around the plumbing isle and see if I can piece the 2 together.
If you ever make this video I'd enjoy watching it, with my fingers crossed hoping not to see a mistake I made. Installing the shower soon.
So it seems you cannot purchase Mirolin tubs in the USA. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good reinforced tub similar to the MIrolin Tucson in the states?
Easy to use and install.
I have a condo and I'm looking to replace the tub without access underneath. Most videos are saying you need access. Your video seems to show a work around by just cutting the pvc, adjusting the lengths, and then adding the overflow after by just reaching behind the installed tub . Am I correct that's what I'm looking at?
It's abs
And no that's not correct
Question, do you need plumbers putty if it's a pvc drain and not stainless? The putty says it's for bonding stainless fixtures. The new drain kit I bought the screw in drain is pvc.
Hi Jeff, can you tell me the name or style of the overplate installed and how it was fastened to the overflow assembly? I didn't see any screw holes. Thanks!
This is a new assembly from the home depot. the overflow has a threaded plate the allows the trim to slide over it in a groove for a clean look.
I think it is from OSB.
I do this for a living so listen real quick. You don't sand down PVC ends with sandpaper... You sand down copper ends prior to soldering to remove the oxidized layer prior to adding the flux, their is a purpose to sanding copper. sanding PVC is completely unnecessary and if done wrong can cause gouges and ricks of leaks. The PVC primer if applied correctly breaks down the PVC surface prior to adding the PVC glue. You want to to keep applying primer until you start to feel the dobber grip the pipe as you go around the end applying primer, that indicated the PVC is getting soft enough. you can feel the difference between when you first starting to apply the primer vs after you applied it for 30 seconds. If you do it this way you'll never worry about a leak. Don't sand the end, instead REAM the ends with a reamer (OD and ID). then apply primer and then glue. don't skip the primer and don't skip the glue. IF you plan do something, do it right.
Hi there Scott, You seem to know what you are talking about. I am doing a walk in shower in my home. I removed the old tub and the black pipe for the over flow and drain is exactly as this one in the video. I already cut just underneath the drain pipe where it meets the overflow so I'm left with the straight pipe right on top of pea trap going up about 6" but that's to high for the new drain. My question is how many inches does a pea trap have to have to work properly? Can I put a 45" elbow right on top of pea? Cause that will drop my new drain to where it is flush with the sub floor. Thanks in advance and your expertise can be used as I'm not to sure and need to finish this soon. Thanks
I don't see many people using the primer...? Absolutely necessary i suppose ...
I agree with you about it not being necessary to sand down the pipes, but why are you going on about PVC so much? He's working on ABS here
One thing to note when joining copper pipe regarding sanding before making a connection. Never sand copper pipe if it's going to be joined with a push type fitting like Shark-Bite. Be meticulous about deburring the inside and outside edges to protect the rubber seal inside a push-in fitting. It looks like Jeff was working with black ABS pipe and fittings, not PVC.
@@ikust007 ABS glue, doesn't require a primer. PVC does.
Does the bathtub need to be entirely removed if the drain assembly needs replaced on the second floor bath?
Have you ever installed a direct drain or an extension for a tub shoe so it could drop below the joist if there is one between the drain & overflow?
Is there supposed to be a gasket beneath the tub between the shoe & the tub (like on a shower drain)?
Good video! How did you seal the threaded overflow valve on the inside of the tub? Gasket, silicone or other?
Hi Jeff. Really enjoy your videos. You have said mirolin tubs from big box stores are not the same quality but I called mirolin and they told me there is no difference in the same model/name of tub whether its sold thru a big box store or a high end bath boutique shop except maybe the price.
Except the good quality tubs are not sold in the box stores. You can still buy the crap from the other stores if you want.
Thanks for the reply Jeff. I'm looking at getting the tucson tub you have recommended and what im wondering is if that tub model/part number from the mirolin website matches with what the box store sells, in your experience would it be the same quality tub? I know there are tubs built just for the box stores but they typically have a unique model name. Im just trying to buy it at the best price.
Do you "seal" that pvc piece for the overflow. Not where it hits the tub, but where it connects to the rest of the pvc? Or is it just tight enough on its own
every joint in a drain system must be sealed with glue of sealant according to the materials. Cheers!
When to use ABS and when to use PVC? Thank you !
Depends on the area you are building. Each jurisdiction has their own requirements.
Is it OK to use the cheaper acrylic sink type plastic pipe ptrap for a tub or should that be schedule 40 pvc? Many tub drain kits are the cheaper thinner compression fit pipes so at what point should it convert to the glued schedule 40?
most domestic DWV pipes are sch.40 pvc or abs, the OS&B tub drain and overfill kit is all sch.40 abs, just use that unless you have easy access to the underside of the tub where you can replace the cheaper fittings
Hi Jeff, I know you have some good things to say about the Mirolin tub you installed on the video, I am looking at bathtubs at Home Depot and the Mirolin has some bad reviews, in particular excessive creaking sounds and proper drainage, Did you experience any of thiis?
Careful, I don't get mine from the box stores. Those stores purchase different models with inferior quality and have the manufacturer put their name on it. Just like the Kohler toilets for under 200 bucks. complete crap. a real toilet from kohler costs over 400 and it works.
I am refitting a 1973 bathroom, nothing is square, finally got the tub in and am wondering if there is a standard measure number from the center of the drain into the floor and the tub drain. It appears to be somewhere around 8 1/2 inches? I am putting a deep soaker tub 2 inches wider and am really not enjoying this AT ALL. Thanks In Advance!!!
Hello Great Job With Your Tutorials. I Have Been Watching Your You Tube, For About A Year, I Enjoy All Your Demonstrations. I Live In A Single Floor Ranch House, With A Concrete Floor, I Have An Important Question, About A New Tub I Am Putting In, I Ran Into A Problem, As I Was Removing The Old Overflow(The Pipe Being Many Years Old) Broke The Pipe Appear To Be A Half Inch Pipe, My New Overflow Drain Line Is 1-1/2 Inch The Old Line of 1/2 Inch At The PTrap and The Overflow Broke, The Pipe That The PTrap Connected To Maybe Still In Tack( From What I Can See) But It Is As Old As The PTrap But Appear To Be More Sturdy Not Sure Where The Pipe Line Run I Have Two Full Bathrooms That Are Right Next To Each other As Is The Kitchen Sink and Washer Not Sure How The Pipe Line Connect But I Must Make A Change To The Line In The Bedroom Bath Tub Is There Any Advice You Can Share
Jeff, is it always necessary to replace the old drain if it’s still good and there’s no change in the location? Much appreciate your reply.
He said he replaced the threaded pieces of pipe, since the threads help make the seal. Fresh pipes thread together tighter than older crusty ones
Great vid what model of Mirolin tub is this
Watched the video for the first time again and still didn’t get the 411 I was searching for. Does the overflow need a trap for sewer gases? 🤔 If left up to me - I would install one. But I am NOT a plumber. Just a man who is having a new construction home built and I don’t see one for the tub 🛀
i will be looking for a tub here soon and i cant quite make out what u said this brand name is....how ever i am interested, are there any other tubs you would suggest as well aside from this particular brand?
Thanks Brandon. I am a big fan of mirolin. Their quality exceeds the retail pricing. however you could also go with a Maax tub. They have a reasonably good quality level and an extensive line of options. Both are easy to acquire using local bathroom suppliers.
What is the brand of overflow cover you are using?
Can't remember. All I know is it cost about 5 bucks more than the old ugly style.
My Mirolin tub from HomeHardware says to use silicon instead of the plumbers putty. It is an acrylic fiberglass tub. Would I be fine using it or would I be best to follow their instructions?
They make a putty for acrylic fiberglass as well. I prefer the putty!
Plumbers putty would be best
I’m curious Why did you not install a P trap ??
While changing out our alcove bath for a stand alone tub, we discovered a stack vent pipe in the alcove wall we now need to remove. Is it ok to move that pipe to the adjoining exterior wall?
yes. vent pipe can go anywhere. it can also be reduced to 2" in most places
How far below floor level does the drain go at 3:48? I have a floor joist that runs parallel to the width of the tub area and centers at 7 1/2" from the end. Does the piping that goes from the drain upright pipe under the tub to the drain run fully above the floor? I don't want to cut away any of the floor joist to accommodate the drain pipe.
Hard for me to guide you here. There are 2 types of drain. one near the back wall and 1 directly under the tub drain area. If I was you I would get a plumber to install the tub.
Thanks. I was hoping you might remember (at 0:23) if that pipe lay above the floor grade or below it going to the drain of the tub. The video was hard to tell.
@@ds61821 The tub manufacturer will provide the dimension between the tub drain hole and the floor surface below it. The height above the floor varies from manufacturer to manufacturer but commonly 4-1/2 inches.
@@chrisgraham2904 Thanks, Chris. But the tub was installed 2 years ago.
Where can I buy the cutter
What do you think of steel tubs, I'm cheap
Only downside is if they are not painted well they can scratch and look bad. Old school steel tubs seem to have held up for decades, but not so much the new steel tubs. You dont need to spend top$ on tub but you dont want to go too low and compromise reliability, the complex install of a tub is a lot more then the tub is worth
my plumbers putty says to avoid plastic? ok for acrylic?
From www.oatey.com/articles-videos-faqs:
"No. Plumber’s Putties could have an adverse effect on the Acrylic finish similar to the same effect on ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene) materials. You should only use 100% silicone for this application."
You didn’t show the rubber gasket under the tub. I think it is called a shoe gasket. Isn’t that the most important part so it doesn’t leak
Sorry, it is there.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY What's the white thing around the "shoe gasket"? Did you silicone it?
@@cubul32 Looks like Plumber's Goop.
the most important thing is you didn't show how you connect the bathtub to the drain,
That is the easy part. It screws together.
The world is great when everything is straight and we'll ordered, but I need advice on offset downpipes that are off to one side. Drain kits don't sell anything but straight pipes that can't join the offset and the space is small to work in...☹️ In concrete floor...😭
Angle the drain to fit the tub, then use the white PVC corrugated extension for the overflow offset
I broke the drain pipe off pulling my tub and trying to get a plan.
HELP! I know it's been 4 years since this was posted. I hope you're still keeping tabs on it. I have an American Standard tub with integral overflow. The instructions say warranty is VOIDED if drain is put in after setting the tub. So I have to drop the tub in with the drain sticking out and somehow have to guess at the position of the waste hook-up. It seems my only recourse is to glue the drain in place. Any better ideas?
Make your measurements for where the pipe outflow should be, cut the drain pipes then dry fit them AND then dry fit the tub. Examine how they line up, adjust as necessary, pull tub back and glue pipes at final measurements in place
There are bathtub drain kits with a flexible overflow tube. They have a corrugated section about 4 inches long just below the overflow inlet that allows you to adjust about an inch in any direction to line up with the target overflow hole on the tub. More commonly made of brass. They are a "problem solver" type of product, so they can be much more expensive comparatively. Depending on quality and material, I've seen them run between $80 to $250 for the full assembly. If the Big Box stores don't have them, find a specialty plumbing store that serves mainly the trades.
@@chrisgraham2904 My drain kit (Kohler pureflo) has a flexible 1.5in PVC for connection to the overflow. This doesn't allow changing height on the fly, but it gives some leeway for a change in positioning. I actually heated it slightly in the middle and bent in a bit to give it an 'S' shape slightly, which fit my existing drain spot well so I wouldn't have to redo that. Just an option for those sticking to 1.5" PVC.
You always dope the threads. Always! This video should be called, Plumbers, and thoes that are not plumbers and do plumbing
You don't need to scratch abs or PVC. And are those shark bites?
Why post a "how to video" if you totally edit out the work you did to connect the overflow? This is a video about sand paper and plumbers putty.
My apologies, this video was shot 2 years ago when we were just starting to work out our filming strategy while I work. There are a couple other hiccups we have since fixed.
Video useless
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY still thanks for the tips .. i learned from it
...and selling pipe cutter tools... over and over again.
TIP: anytime anyone uses the word "awesome" then you know they are reaching into the stratosphere of hype, pegs my BS meter
@@devilshaircut9 You peg mine.
no contractor worth a salt would bury sharkbite fittings inside the wall. your copper to PEX connection for shower valve would make me lose sleep at night
relax we have a panel for access on the other side.
oh good! just before bedtime too :)
If silicone stopped working in standing water, my aquariums would fail constantly.
thumbs down for leaving out overflow install
Exactly - came here for that. All this video does it make it seem complicated - now I feel less confident
@@mikegillan yeah man lol...I finally got my 1st tub install frikin level as hell..and ready to install the exact overflow/drain kit..and they say use %100silicone..not plumbers putty
What the heck ... you blew over the floor drain hookup???
Good video don't apologize to haters. If they can't deduce how to measure, cut, glue, and tighten a simple overflow fitting then they should probably have their wife do the job.
the bathtub is not installed...
Sanding for shark bite would not be wise imho.
As a 30 year plumber i have never seen anyone sand abs or pvc pipe, the glue melts the pipe, sanding it is plain stupid and will not make a better joint, if anything doin that will make it weaker
Does anyone else worry about shark bites behind a wall?
I do. Id rather have soldered pipe.
You missed the important parts
While I can appreciate the attempt to share your technique with the web, one practice shown in the video is unnecessary, and another is plain wrong. First, I've never seen a Journeyman plumber sand ABS like we would copper unless to remove some smeared cement that might have gotten on the end or to remove a stubborn burr. Sanding ABS is unnecessary because the joint doesn't need a rough surface like solder--the cement melts the surface just fine, rough or smooth. Sanding won't hurt, but it's a waste of time and sandpaper.
The more problematic issue in the video is how the person cemented the joint. He only applied cement to the sockets and not to the male ends, which is a major mistake. That process wouldn't pass inspection on any job I've worked. Those joints are too dry and far less structural than they should be. He should have applied a coat to the socket first and then a heavier coat to the pipe for a properly cemented joint. If jobsite experience doesn't teach someone that, just read the cement's instructions which explains it.
I'll stick with my plumbers advice , thanks for your opinion.
ya that dude is kind of a douche like u said everything needs to adhere and no matter what you do things can not adhere properly to a smooth surface. A lot of people dont sand their walls to remove the gloss before repainting a room either this leads to paint peeling and things of that nature because paint can not adhere to the smooth surface.....this rule applies to everything adhesive related
no need for name calling. Often times in trade circles there are different views and applications. Thomas has a legitimate point. It does clearly say to clean the end of the pipe and fittings. I just choose to do it with sandcloth so that I have a habit of always removing burrs and dirt.
I always figure better safe than sorry and it certainly wont hurt anything
I need to comment and agree with this post in case another DIY'er like myself uses this as their sole source of information. The cements instructions clearly state how to use it and no where does it recommend sanding. It DOES state to coat both male and female connections. Ottowa, I greatly appreciate your video though. The tips on pipe flexibility one way but not the other are great.
You stopped it when we wanted to see the overflow part😢
if he was good enough he would cut below san tee and reconnect a new drain but thats who he is . he actually hide his failure by not showing the whole process.
Aww man you skipped some crucial stuff. Was really hoping to see you hook up that overflow
we show a great technique in our newest tub install video.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY link? All in seeing is your old one
uhhhh wheres the hard part of actually suffering thru aligning the tub??
God damn this music
You don't scratch surface of pipes you need to just stop guy
This video didn't show us how to actually measure the whole system you just briefly showed one side and that wasn't clear for novice installers.
Music good but not needed
Those pipe cutters are poo in the real world the handle causes problem.
You can get ones that are just donuts and work so much better.
I like the tub tool though, never seen one of those before and I'm a plumbing and heating engineer...U.K
What happened? You said you gonna install the overflow and the video ended. What a bummer 😕
nope
I never learn nothing
Stick with dry wall… man
This guy, lol wrong glue, shark bites, pex to the shower head. Which means its going to siphon and drip from the shower head. You are taking shortcuts and using old material. He at least used putty.
The shower valve's drop to the tub spout should always be soldered copper, but PEX hot and cold lines and PEX to the shower head is fine, common and within code. How is a siphon action more prevalent for a PEX pipe instead of a copper pipe? Siphon action is not involved. Moen recommends that their single shower valves should not be installed more than 11 inches above the tub spout to prevent pressure from directing water up to and out the shower spout when the tub is filling. Because most people now shower far more often than they bathe, people don't like the control valve that low on the wall and prefer the valve at naval height. This is what causes the shower to drip. For most installations the higher valve position is not an issue, unless the household has quite high water pressure.
Why bother showing a video if you cut out all the details or don’t show them.
sorry 6 years ago!
lose the music. Unnecessary and distracting. thx
Yeah dude you do not know anything.
Plumber's putty does dry out in fact and you have to make sure it's not too much or that will cause a leak.... Because it dries out!!!!!!!!
Very poor explanation
smooth jazz, nifty pipe cutter, and talk about sand paper... useless video for anyone installing a tub and drain assembly.