@@henrik1743 would have been pretty low volume manufacturing in the past too, but with the jump in interest for sim racing in the last few years, they might just be jumping on that trend targeting lower cost higher volume products. Should be a good thing all round!
Funny. Higher end sim gear becoming more affordable and yet, the graphics card I need to run these sims at high end graphics have become more expensive than entire PC's.
You can probably get away with much cheaper options and turn one or two settings down lower or off. The biggest bulk of graphics rendering are easily punched out by most low to mid range grahpic cards nowadays, and have been for a long time. It's those little things to "max out" that really cost. As always, the rule of diminishing returns applies.
@@benvella1728 I'm working with a 1660 ti on a laptop so I'm REALLY looking to upgrade asap. It's not a bad machine, it's just not what I want right now. Noise, temps, thermal throttling, games looking better on console, etc. It's to the point where I'm thinking about just moving over to console. I won't have iRacing, but at least the AC games are available. But I really hate to go over to console as my main simracing rig.
If the final production model feels similar to this pre-production model out of the box I'd really appreciate a video showing how to get it feeling nice and smooth as I'm new to both Fanatec and DD wheelbases.
That's the only thing giving me cold feet personally. If production means this will be hit or miss with what is available it'd be a serious bummer. If their production line can churn out high quality pieces they've absolutely acquired a new customer.
@@boostedmedia what were the default settings out of the box? Was it grainy because natural damper, friction and inertia were turned off completely? I am worried because i plan to use mine without those settings when it arrives.
Looks like I'm getting this for Christmas 2021. I'm not a hardcore sim racer but I still enjoy sim racing occasionally and this price is just right. DD1 and other direct drives are way too expensive to justify playing occasionally.
Your technical knowledge of the entire chain of the product all the way from motor design through electronics, firmware, as well as car and racing knowledge, really elevates these kinds of videos from you. It's *super* informative, and so valuable for the viewers! Thanks, Will!
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Reggie M here from the FaceBook Sim Page. Another great (very detailed) video and glad you were able to get it out in time despite getting it 9 days after the other two. Just placed my order and looking forward to it.
I like that u took the responcibility to give feedback and observations about durability. Many future owners should be thankful for their long living wheelbases but they don't know to whom.
@@austinbasiolli2705 Eh....ok? Define ”typical DD”. I’m guessing based on your comment you define a typical DD based on a certain torque threshold. Sorry, but DD and torque are not in any way related.
Thanks for the honest comparison to the 2.5. I've been running one for 12 months and I've been more than happy with it coming from a T300. Great review lads.
@@boostedmedia my day was made when I watched one of my favourite youtubers then seen 2 of my other favourites at the top of his comment section, You and Gear Seekers on Jays video
It's the second time I see Tom in a review. You are really good expressing your impressions! Really helps to decide whether I'll like the product or not, so big thanks 👌
The connector looks like a standard 4pin molex connector. voltage/current is the same as the CSL elite adapter, so maybe you can mod the csl elite adapter to power it.
I would not thrust a company so sloppy that would give away 8Nm for free 😁. Seriously, Fanatic is taking advantage of the moment and pull in as many as they can in the ecosystem. The low every point is symptom. I will pay €500 for a Thrustmaster 12Nm base.
@@youngstadan4999 None! So, I won't be buying a base anytime soon. I guess people get obsessed with torque, the more the better mindset. The market, including Yters, make us think that way.
Thank you for this review Will. I'll have to wait for a PS licensed version since I need PS5 and PC compatibility but, I'm glad you're giving us the thumbs up. Coming from a G29.
As always professionally presented content full of detail. Very exciting times with companies like Fanatec making Sim racing kit more accessible to the wider community..Great initial thoughts, looking forward to the full review.
Far out this is a great video. Just so much more detail than anyone could ever expect, I feel like I could buy one of these tomorrow and have no questions left!
Thanks because the first video in which speaks about the mounting on a wheel stand. I'm happy to see that you can update a CSL elite without drilling your stand plate...
I get discouraged seeing the length of Boosted Media videos before watching but Will had SO MUCH useful information that I end up not minding. Being a subscriber, I know that Will likes using extreme high force and FFB compared to Joe average (7-8Nm). So keep that in mind and consider not waiting for another Fanatec offering between CSL DD and DD1!
Just placed my order along with a McLaren GT3 V2 wheel, thanks Will and Tom! This was a great preview, certainly one of the most complete preview videos I have seen on a sim gear. Can't wait.
Thanx for the total review of this wheel base.I also have much respect for you two gentlemen as when you two have a difference of opinion you both do so with respect for each other.
Will, we didn’t have Barry reviewing this time until Fanatec have the ‘final version’. You did carry the torch this time, all respect to Chris and James for their review. Very nice review, as always. Thanks
Thank you Will and Tom! I've been schooled! I feel so much more knowledgeable because of your coverage in all regards! I am still on the fence; however, Fanatec has given me time to completely evaluate this purchase due to the fact that I am not an existing customer and placed on the last order priority. I am looking forward to your post-production DD analysis.
Thanks for the dd1 vs DD CSL comparison. Would love a dd1 settings fundamentals course! Really overwhelming, looking forward to getting more out of my dd1!
Awesome video once again brother 👍. As much detail as possible, this is why I watch Boosted Media. You guys ROCK 🤘. Thanks Will & Tom enormously. This is my question guys, how many of you are going for the 180 boost kit over the standard 90? 🤔 Forever Racing 🏁
Quality choice in DnB music as always. I never get tired of saying it. Massive review, thanks! I feel much better about my recent DD1 purchase, although I had similar thoughts as you initially did about the CSL DD.
Thank you for the immensely comprehensive review, maybe the best I found so far online. I ordered mine yesterday with the boost kit and a WRC wheel following your wheel comparison review. You've helped me really well, thanks for that. Can't wait for the unit to arrive in September! One small comment though, you mentioned multiple times that the boost kit gives a 40% increased dynamic range, but from 5Nm to 8Nm is a 60% increase even.
Excellent first look, Fanatec chose the right guy for the job! Not a Fanatec fan but still watched all of it. This is great for the future of sim racing.
Cool! EVERYTHING I needed to know about the new DD! Gonna go with "standard" first and will upgrade to boosted power once my wallet has recovered again! Thanks guys! 👍
As someone whose last wheel was a Logitech G25, and last used it about Ten years ago, I'd say you've pretty much convinced me to get one of these when they eventually make them available to the general public.
Thanks for the video! I ordered my and received my V2.5 literally days before this was announced. Not complaining too much because it's still worlds better than my old G920 but you still have to love it.
I have been following your channel from the early start, unbelieveable how far you came in such a short time. You and the Sim Racing Garage are the goto channels for indepth sim racing equipment reviews. You helped me a lot with your explanations, reviews and other vids!
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Great review ! Thank you for this, you deserved to be chosen by the community. I own a CSW2.5 and was wondering to swap it for a CSL DD, but I had the same thoughts as yours, you just confirmed them : I'll wait for a "CSW DD" in a range between this CSL DD and DD1, or maybe a DD1 price drop (but I thinks it's less plausible).
@ My csw2.5 died on me that's why I upgraded to simucube instead of a DD1/DD2, wait until your 2.5 dies and then get a real upgrade instead of a stepping stone, those are my 2 cents
One thing: My CSL Elite PS4 base is silent (other than fan whirr) and the FFB is smooth and very, very good. If your CSL is as described in this video, then it is because FEI (and possibly FOR) is turned up too high. The CSL Elite is very sensitive to FEI and too high a setting causes rattling and knocking, both audibly and through the FFB.
I didn't knew the power of the G29 (~2.1nm from what I've seen) and I was worried about the power of the base version CSL DD but now that I know it's more than twice as powerful as my current wheel I went from cautiously excited to very, very excited and I have no doubt that I'll will upgrade to this as soon as I can.
This is going to be perfect next to my DD2 for my kids to play on!!! Been waiting a long time for a DD in the range my wife won't kill me buying for the kids!
Finally recieved it couple weeks ago still spending time adjusting and getting used to the new setup. But first impression is very positive. I've been using the CSW 1.5 for years. While V2.5 and CSL Elite were very tempting I'm glad I held off for this. There really is a distinctive difference between a DD and a gear/belt driven.
Coming from a Fanatec CSR, 5nm will be a step up in detail and power. Good to know. I have to go 5nm initially. I'll get the BK180 later. Life got in the way. And while hovering over the option to add the BK180, my index finger twitched. Long story short, I have the BK180 on the way. :)
Wow!! His simulator is amazing! I thought he was in a real car at first. How much does that thing cost? The screen looks like real life and you get a great feel of the depth perception.
I remember a video of Will chatting about his sim, its about 40k if I remember correctly, but he chops and changes it more than we change our undies haha
I don’t understand why you were comparing it to the full on DD wheels, 1/3rd in the video you kept showing off about your ultimate. Should have compared it to the entry wheelbases where it belongs and how it compares to those.
If someone is on the market for a wheel in this price range, the choice is simple. I do have a TS-PC and upgrading is another question. Is the question. I believe it's not worth it. Fanatec wheels are very expensive - this product is out of place, out of time. Smells funny...
It's a no brainer that this is better than any wheelbase at its price range. Comparing it to other DD wheelbases is a better comparison as literally nothing else compares. If you are still using a controller, this is the only choice. If you are using a CSL Elite or equivalent or below, your only upgrade would be a DD. No point in buying a belt driven system when a DD is only $50 more. So the only question is if this is enough, and how it compares to stronger DD's.
@@jopereirapt Out of place? a Fanatec DD Wheel priced at 349+/- EUROS or a Thrustmaster TS-XW Servo base for 369 EUROS? How in the hell would go for a TS when there's a DD wheel for LESS MONEY!
@@itzanopinion That's what I meant. Fanatec DD is the only option for those with a entry level wheel, let's say a G29. For those like me, with a TS-PC wheel, is not worthwhile upgrading. The true is Fanatec is taking advantage of the market, with huge scarcity of IC and materials, to bring as many people as they can into their ecosystem. The supply will be short, expect many months without the wheel you just bought. UA-camrs and influencers do their share praising the advantages of DD systems which I believe are placebos in most cases. They are superior, no doubt, but a nice to have, not a must have. And then, only a 12-15Nm will provoque me to upgrade, not the same 5Nm I already have. (a TM TS-PC is still a cheaper option considering base+wheel with the same features/buttons)
Was looking to spend 1k on my first rig and didnt think a DD was possible glad I held off plan to go ahead and jump both feet in with this new product.
Woohoo I'm getting a CSL DD 🥳 - I was also quite skeptical before this video. G29 currently; only had it for less than a year and the potentiometers in the pedals have been degrading for months already. I'm 45 (and battle worn) and even a G29 can injure my wrists and arms a bit if I overdo things anyway (partly because the wheel is overly small) - 8NM will be fine for me.
Great stuff!! Thx!! I’m getting a Next Level Racing F-GT Lite for Father’s Day so I was really happy to see that it can handle CSL DD. Great and useful info!!
Really wish this product was compared more directly to CSL Elite, Clubsport 2.5 and Thrustmaster wheel bases in this general price point area. They seem to be focusing on direct drive comparisons, but you're talking about a product that is 2x to 3x more than the price point for the CSL DD.
@@Andre-rt9qk I did, I meant throughout the majority of the video. It's already an extremely long video that could've been condensed down considerably and should've focused more on cost comparative wheel bases rather than other direct drive wheel bases with a blurb about comparison to high end choices at the end instead
I think the point is that you can’t compare them because dd is superior. The aim of the CSL DD was to change the mid-range market and as it obviously obliterates competition in that area because it’s so different, it isn’t fair to compare it to them.
I think the point is that you can’t compare them because dd is superior. The aim of the CSL DD was to change the mid-range market and as it obviously obliterates competition in that area because it’s so different, it isn’t fair to compare it to them.
@@jamiebaker8189 sounded more like they didn't live up to something three times the price. It's also still the same price point and is exactly what buyers with that budget are be going to comparing.
Great video. I run a MIGE OSW and I love it but I will be recommending this to at least one friend. 2 things I never expected to hear thought in a DD Review: Vegemite Sandwich and DD table clamp.
Very detailed review for an initial look, really great job guys. Thanks. I would say that with extra dynamic range/maximum torque output some people don't need it to be competitive. However for other people it doesn't just add extra immersion but does improve laptimes and/or consistency. Some people need their sim to feel somewhat like real life which is not possible with lower torque wheels. Whether because they have real life driving/racing experience and can't adapt to the different feel of low force or some other reason I'm unsure.
Well said.. I personally feel like the belt driven G29’s and such are absolutely atrocious. So a step up from there is monumental. This is a downgrade for these guys no matter they review it.
Thank you for this amazing detailed review - I've been looking forward to this all week. I was also worried about whether it was overhyped but I am now confident about my choice to upgrade to this from my Logitech G920. Hopefully they'll also release a new rally wheel soon too!
fantastic and very detailed review, thank you very much. been thinking about this one, since the trailer. probably going to upgrade my csl elite wheel to this one with the McLaren Wheel, so the exact setup you did the test :)
Great review! As the owner of a Logitech G29 and Next Level GT-Lite cockpit, your comments regarding the power unit were very useful! I will definitely be getting the CSL DD with the regular 5nm power unit, and upgrade to the 8nm one whenever I get a sturdier cockpit. BTW, liked and subscribed! Thanks!!
Guys, thank you, this is a great video and finally I feel confident in buying this. Love the detail you went into. It was awesome to hear a conversation between two drivers with different experience and expectations. I've been on a G29 for a couple of months as my first sim racing experience. I can see that it's a good way to dip a toe In the water but it's nothing like a real car. Very excited about getting my new gear!
Great rundown, though for me, I've recently invested £680 on GT Omega Prime rig, £300 on V3 pedals, £200 on BMW GT2 Wheel, £220 on Shifter, £140 on handbrake and £1000 on Podium F1 Wheelbase (sold the F1 wheel as I only play Rally). That amounts to £1540 without the wheelbase, £2540 with. If you have these other fanatec bits and a proper cockpit to withstand strong forces, you're only going to save £400 ish by buying the CSL DD over the podium F1/DD1. What's £400 when you're spending over 2k? Yes you could reduce this by a further £100-150 with the cheaper CSL pedals, but is it really worth it? Not for me, but I guess it could be for others! Or maybe I'm missing something..
The extra force feedback from cornering would make a big difference to me and i'd rather save for another 12 months to get a dd1. They really do need to make something between this and a dd1
SOLID review. Very happy to see that you were able to get hands on one! I have been patiently waiting for a review of this as I want to jump into my first DD and the price point for a newer SIM racer has been previously prohibitive until this new product. Hoping the pedal set gets the same positive review, as well I am eager to see what wheels are offered.. a more affordable BMW GT3 wheel would be REALLY nice...5k for the new BMW wheel is insane... almost same price as my real WRX rallycross car.. lol
I bought a CSL DD and boost kit. The unit was faulty when it was delivered. I had to return the boost kit and DD. Took them 15 days to replace it. Only problem was they only sent the boost kit , so still waiting for a CSLDD that I have never been able to use. My last purchase from Fanatec.
check the wheel out at the Windy City in the PM18.......you will feel the road here as its similar to Sebring in places. But the big question is "what will the quality be like?"
They will be snapped up by scalpers and on ebay within hours. Same happened with the last black friday sale, some sellers had multiple bases/wheels on ebay.
@@MrDazTroyer they are doing a tier style release and are only selling one per customer. You have to have already purchased a wheel from fanatec to be in the first wave of pre sales. This should help with the scalping I think.
Thinking the same. At the time I have the Thrustmaster TS-PC Racer with the Ferrari 488 challange rim. It's a 6nm base and a good one and i'm a little on the fence if the 8nm will be enough to feel that is a good upgrade. But on the other hand the pondium DD1 is more than double the money and as i'm not a hardcore racer from the point of hours i play (about 1-2 hours a day or every other) i can't justify the money
@@vfragos absolutely agree Vasilis, I race maybe once or twice a week during the summer, more so in the winter but still not hard core. My mate has a Fanatec CSL Elite and he isn't gonna upgrade, he will have a go on the CSL DD and then decide. Unless u get a good selling price for the TM I suppose.
Simagic is now offering 20% off the M10, it brings the price of the M10 DDW and GT1 wheel to basically the exact same price as the CSL DD complete with the boost kit and one of Fanatec's more affordable wheel rims once you factor in shipping costs. At the same price point would you go with the M10 or the CSL DD?
So happy I held off buying a csl or clubsport base this new DD has a killer price. I'm guessing these will be as hard to get as every other electronic products
Lol will is such a nice guy! Every video he thanks us for supporting im like wait when did i hear him telling thank y’all and then im like oh yeah last video😂 will keep going goat
Great review as always. Products like this that up the competition is always good for us the consumers. I have a DD1 but I wouldn't downgrade to this even though I run it half torque. I always like the room for expansion if needed
Let's hope this will be amazing and the simmarket will get it's much needed competition and innovation.
Exactly...I feel that this will give some really good drivers but with bad sim setups that much needed boost
I think it's been a market with huge marigins, seems like maybe they have invested some of that back
@@henrik1743 Here's to dreaming people do the right thing
@@henrik1743 would have been pretty low volume manufacturing in the past too, but with the jump in interest for sim racing in the last few years, they might just be jumping on that trend targeting lower cost higher volume products. Should be a good thing all round!
Funny. Higher end sim gear becoming more affordable and yet, the graphics card I need to run these sims at high end graphics have become more expensive than entire PC's.
You can probably get away with much cheaper options and turn one or two settings down lower or off. The biggest bulk of graphics rendering are easily punched out by most low to mid range grahpic cards nowadays, and have been for a long time. It's those little things to "max out" that really cost. As always, the rule of diminishing returns applies.
@@benvella1728 I'm working with a 1660 ti on a laptop so I'm REALLY looking to upgrade asap. It's not a bad machine, it's just not what I want right now. Noise, temps, thermal throttling, games looking better on console, etc. It's to the point where I'm thinking about just moving over to console. I won't have iRacing, but at least the AC games are available. But I really hate to go over to console as my main simracing rig.
ACC on console is far from great. Hopefully they are actually working on a proper next gen version and not another downgrade port
Mining is set to stop being profitable so GPUs should become available soon.
fk miners..... fk miners...
If the final production model feels similar to this pre-production model out of the box I'd really appreciate a video showing how to get it feeling nice and smooth as I'm new to both Fanatec and DD wheelbases.
Absolutely will do!
That's the only thing giving me cold feet personally. If production means this will be hit or miss with what is available it'd be a serious bummer. If their production line can churn out high quality pieces they've absolutely acquired a new customer.
@@benvella1728 and that the customer support is on par as well
@@boostedmedia what were the default settings out of the box? Was it grainy because natural damper, friction and inertia were turned off completely? I am worried because i plan to use mine without those settings when it arrives.
1 hour and 22 minutes? Am I gonna spend one and a half hour of my life for this? Yes! Yes, I freaking will!
Looks like I'm getting this for Christmas 2021. I'm not a hardcore sim racer but I still enjoy sim racing occasionally and this price is just right. DD1 and other direct drives are way too expensive to justify playing occasionally.
Did ya end up getting it... Curious how u liking it
I agree with the other guy, how is it?
@@HyperFlie I wound up buying the Logitech dd instead. lol.
I’m gonna get the csl dd this year also how is the Logitech dd
@@TJBPlayz Logitech is awesome. Buttery smooth and strong enough for most sim racers. Only cons is there's only 1 wheel so far.
Your technical knowledge of the entire chain of the product all the way from motor design through electronics, firmware, as well as car and racing knowledge, really elevates these kinds of videos from you. It's *super* informative, and so valuable for the viewers! Thanks, Will!
Thanks very much for the support Christoffer! That means a lot :)
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Reggie M here from the FaceBook Sim Page. Another great (very detailed) video and glad you were able to get it out in time despite getting it 9 days after the other two. Just placed my order and looking forward to it.
I like that u took the responcibility to give feedback and observations about durability. Many future owners should be thankful for their long living wheelbases but they don't know to whom.
Never thought I would get a DD but I think this is my ticket 😍😁
Me too
This ain’t like your typical DD lol
@@austinbasiolli2705 But its close
@@austinbasiolli2705 Eh....ok? Define ”typical DD”. I’m guessing based on your comment you define a typical DD based on a certain torque threshold. Sorry, but DD and torque are not in any way related.
@@austinbasiolli2705 What do you mean not your typical DD?
Best format so far with both of you giving driving impressions and the observations/FAQ.
Thanks for the honest comparison to the 2.5. I've been running one for 12 months and I've been more than happy with it coming from a T300. Great review lads.
do you remember about what part he compares them? thanks
Ooooh! The inclusion of the t-slot rails is a QoL feature I didn't anticipate. Fanatec's engineers are really on it! Great review Will!
Did you hear about the Janitor who went racing? His car went Broom Broom
Day made!
@@boostedmedia my day was made when I watched one of my favourite youtubers then seen 2 of my other favourites at the top of his comment section, You and Gear Seekers on Jays video
How dare you +1
Yes please in the DD1 “fundamentals”/“tuning” course.
Ok, I think time has come. Thank you g27 for all these great years, you served me well.
I’ve been watching all the wheel base review videos you’ve made over the past week in preparation for this video 😁 now it’s finally time !
It's the second time I see Tom in a review. You are really good expressing your impressions! Really helps to decide whether I'll like the product or not, so big thanks 👌
Still watching but incredible video quality, loving the discussion at the end.
The connector looks like a standard 4pin molex connector. voltage/current is the same as the CSL elite adapter, so maybe you can mod the csl elite adapter to power it.
Do you believe in fairy tails? Me neither.
Are you willing to risk that on a $400 piece of equipment?
I would not thrust a company so sloppy that would give away 8Nm for free 😁.
Seriously, Fanatic is taking advantage of the moment and pull in as many as they can in the ecosystem. The low every point is symptom.
I will pay €500 for a Thrustmaster 12Nm base.
@@jopereirapt which thrustmaster pulls 13nm? Thr new tgt is 8 I think
@@youngstadan4999 None! So, I won't be buying a base anytime soon.
I guess people get obsessed with torque, the more the better mindset. The market, including Yters, make us think that way.
Must be so cool to get your hands on with all this gear and hit the track testing them all.
Thank you for this review Will.
I'll have to wait for a PS licensed version since I need PS5 and PC compatibility but, I'm glad you're giving us the thumbs up.
Coming from a G29.
It's been two years, my friend. Did you ever end up getting gt dd pro that came out?
As always professionally presented content full of detail. Very exciting times with companies like Fanatec making Sim racing kit more accessible to the wider community..Great initial thoughts, looking forward to the full review.
This is one of the best early looks i have ever watched
Far out this is a great video. Just so much more detail than anyone could ever expect, I feel like I could buy one of these tomorrow and have no questions left!
well made review!! You can tell the amount of effort and knowledge put into it.
Thank you for this very complete and sincere review, just as I love for doing the right decision 👍🏻
Thanks for both of your reviews on the DD, I've now ordered a CSL DD with the boost kit, ,and McLaren GT3 rim, looking forward to getting it!
Thanks because the first video in which speaks about the mounting on a wheel stand. I'm happy to see that you can update a CSL elite without drilling your stand plate...
I get discouraged seeing the length of Boosted Media videos before watching but Will had SO MUCH useful information that I end up not minding.
Being a subscriber, I know that Will likes using extreme high force and FFB compared to Joe average (7-8Nm). So keep that in mind and consider not waiting for another Fanatec offering between CSL DD and DD1!
Just placed my order along with a McLaren GT3 V2 wheel, thanks Will and Tom! This was a great preview, certainly one of the most complete preview videos I have seen on a sim gear. Can't wait.
Thanx for the total review of this wheel base.I also have much respect for you two gentlemen as when you two have a difference of opinion you both do so with respect for each other.
Woooooo! Yeaaaah baby! This is what I've been waiting for!
Will, we didn’t have Barry reviewing this time until Fanatec have the ‘final version’. You did carry the torch this time, all respect to Chris and James for their review. Very nice review, as always. Thanks
But there is a third base sent to someone. Who?
Thank you Will and Tom! I've been schooled! I feel so much more knowledgeable because of your coverage in all regards! I am still on the fence; however, Fanatec has given me time to completely evaluate this purchase due to the fact that I am not an existing customer and placed on the last order priority. I am looking forward to your post-production DD analysis.
Thanks for the dd1 vs DD CSL comparison. Would love a dd1 settings fundamentals course! Really overwhelming, looking forward to getting more out of my dd1!
Awesome video once again brother 👍. As much detail as possible, this is why I watch Boosted Media. You guys ROCK 🤘. Thanks Will & Tom enormously. This is my question guys, how many of you are going for the 180 boost kit over the standard 90? 🤔
Forever Racing 🏁
Well deserved Will! Thank you for the review.
Quality choice in DnB music as always. I never get tired of saying it. Massive review, thanks! I feel much better about my recent DD1 purchase, although I had similar thoughts as you initially did about the CSL DD.
Really needed that comparison to the Clubsport 2.5 - waiting for the CSW DD, think that makes sense. Thanks for your insights, lads!
Me too only had mine since January and love it, a CSW DD would be the bomb.
What’s the time stamp for the CSW 2.5 vs CSL DD comparison?
@@ryanroff6330 about 10 min before end? During conclusion
Thank you for the immensely comprehensive review, maybe the best I found so far online. I ordered mine yesterday with the boost kit and a WRC wheel following your wheel comparison review. You've helped me really well, thanks for that.
Can't wait for the unit to arrive in September!
One small comment though, you mentioned multiple times that the boost kit gives a 40% increased dynamic range, but from 5Nm to 8Nm is a 60% increase even.
Excellent first look, Fanatec chose the right guy for the job! Not a Fanatec fan but still watched all of it. This is great for the future of sim racing.
Thanks. The community chose. Fanatec put up a poll so people could vote for who they cemented to get early access.
Cool! EVERYTHING I needed to know about the new DD!
Gonna go with "standard" first and will upgrade to boosted power once my wallet has recovered again!
Thanks guys! 👍
You guys are great! The banter and discussion back and forth during the Q&A was fantastic and very thorough. Nice job! 👍🏁
As someone whose last wheel was a Logitech G25, and last used it about Ten years ago, I'd say you've pretty much convinced me to get one of these when they eventually make them available to the general public.
Thanks for the video! I ordered my and received my V2.5 literally days before this was announced. Not complaining too much because it's still worlds better than my old G920 but you still have to love it.
16:00 ah thanks for telling us how to hack the full 8Nm XD
Amazing review!. The fundamental course video would be amazing, since the CSL DD will be my new wheelbase.
I have been following your channel from the early start, unbelieveable how far you came in such a short time. You and the Sim Racing Garage are the goto channels for indepth sim racing equipment reviews. You helped me a lot with your explanations, reviews and other vids!
Great review ! Thank you for this, you deserved to be chosen by the community.
I own a CSW2.5 and was wondering to swap it for a CSL DD, but I had the same thoughts as yours, you just confirmed them : I'll wait for a "CSW DD" in a range between this CSL DD and DD1, or maybe a DD1 price drop (but I thinks it's less plausible).
In my opinion, I would save up and get a simucube 2 pro, that way you'll never have to upgrade again
@@XavierGoncalves89 yeah but it's twice the price I would have put for a potential CSW DD
My thoughts too. I bought an Elite in January and won't bother upgrading.
@@XavierGoncalves89 "never" is a long time. Are you sure? 😀
@ My csw2.5 died on me that's why I upgraded to simucube instead of a DD1/DD2, wait until your 2.5 dies and then get a real upgrade instead of a stepping stone, those are my 2 cents
Thanks so much for the review Will, and especially the 'Heads Up' when the pre-order went live today. I was able to get mine pre-ordered.
One thing: My CSL Elite PS4 base is silent (other than fan whirr) and the FFB is smooth and very, very good. If your CSL is as described in this video, then it is because FEI (and possibly FOR) is turned up too high. The CSL Elite is very sensitive to FEI and too high a setting causes rattling and knocking, both audibly and through the FFB.
I didn't knew the power of the G29 (~2.1nm from what I've seen) and I was worried about the power of the base version CSL DD but now that I know it's more than twice as powerful as my current wheel I went from cautiously excited to very, very excited and I have no doubt that I'll will upgrade to this as soon as I can.
there's a booster kit that adds another 3 nm to the dd aswell which i like you can get the dd and then upgrade it more if you need to
Your reviews and the way and level of explanation are really amazing! Great video, THANK YOU!!
Thanks for a good review guys! Absolutely love seeing you both working together on the channel 🤘
Well done! Really appreciate the videos you guys put out and the work you put into them.
Amazing video!!! Well done! I want one of these so bad. I'm sure its a big step up from my Thrustmaster TX.
This is going to be perfect next to my DD2 for my kids to play on!!! Been waiting a long time for a DD in the range my wife won't kill me buying for the kids!
Awesome review brother! You are setting the standard for Sim reviews 👍
Very detailed review, thank you!
Finally recieved it couple weeks ago still spending time adjusting and getting used to the new setup. But first impression is very positive. I've been using the CSW 1.5 for years. While V2.5 and CSL Elite were very tempting I'm glad I held off for this. There really is a distinctive difference between a DD and a gear/belt driven.
Thanks for making this vid, just ordered mine.
Coming from a Fanatec CSR, 5nm will be a step up in detail and power. Good to know. I have to go 5nm initially. I'll get the BK180 later. Life got in the way.
And while hovering over the option to add the BK180, my index finger twitched. Long story short, I have the BK180 on the way. :)
You guys should do a blind test of the CSL DD 5nm vs 8nm vs the higher cost ones. I’ll bet it’s harder to tell apart than you’d think.
Wow!! His simulator is amazing! I thought he was in a real car at first. How much does that thing cost? The screen looks like real life and you get a great feel of the depth perception.
I remember a video of Will chatting about his sim, its about 40k if I remember correctly, but he chops and changes it more than we change our undies haha
$100k
Great video, I think my decision to preorder the CSL DD Boosted is no failure. Thank you, guys
I don’t understand why you were comparing it to the full on DD wheels, 1/3rd in the video you kept showing off about your ultimate. Should have compared it to the entry wheelbases where it belongs and how it compares to those.
If someone is on the market for a wheel in this price range, the choice is simple. I do have a TS-PC and upgrading is another question. Is the question.
I believe it's not worth it.
Fanatec wheels are very expensive - this product is out of place, out of time. Smells funny...
It's a no brainer that this is better than any wheelbase at its price range. Comparing it to other DD wheelbases is a better comparison as literally nothing else compares.
If you are still using a controller, this is the only choice. If you are using a CSL Elite or equivalent or below, your only upgrade would be a DD. No point in buying a belt driven system when a DD is only $50 more. So the only question is if this is enough, and how it compares to stronger DD's.
@@jopereirapt Out of place? a Fanatec DD Wheel priced at 349+/- EUROS or a Thrustmaster TS-XW Servo base for 369 EUROS? How in the hell would go for a TS when there's a DD wheel for LESS MONEY!
@@itzanopinion That's what I meant.
Fanatec DD is the only option for those with a entry level wheel, let's say a G29.
For those like me, with a TS-PC wheel, is not worthwhile upgrading.
The true is Fanatec is taking advantage of the market, with huge scarcity of IC and materials, to bring as many people as they can into their ecosystem. The supply will be short, expect many months without the wheel you just bought.
UA-camrs and influencers do their share praising the advantages of DD systems which I believe are placebos in most cases. They are superior, no doubt, but a nice to have, not a must have. And then, only a 12-15Nm will provoque me to upgrade, not the same 5Nm I already have. (a TM TS-PC is still a cheaper option considering base+wheel with the same features/buttons)
I just pulled the trigger on a csl dd with the mclaren gt3 v2 im so excited to start racing with it
Tom was a great addition to this channel
Was looking to spend 1k on my first rig and didnt think a DD was possible glad I held off plan to go ahead and jump both feet in with this new product.
Woohoo I'm getting a CSL DD 🥳 - I was also quite skeptical before this video. G29 currently; only had it for less than a year and the potentiometers in the pedals have been degrading for months already. I'm 45 (and battle worn) and even a G29 can injure my wrists and arms a bit if I overdo things anyway (partly because the wheel is overly small) - 8NM will be fine for me.
Great stuff!! Thx!! I’m getting a Next Level Racing F-GT Lite for Father’s Day so I was really happy to see that it can handle CSL DD. Great and useful info!!
Thanks for the excellent video guys! Thorough as ever🍻
Tom doesn’t mince his words one bit. Pls don’t stop expressing your honest unfiltered opinions Tom!
Really wish this product was compared more directly to CSL Elite, Clubsport 2.5 and Thrustmaster wheel bases in this general price point area. They seem to be focusing on direct drive comparisons, but you're talking about a product that is 2x to 3x more than the price point for the CSL DD.
you didnt watch the video to the end, didnt you?
@@Andre-rt9qk I did, I meant throughout the majority of the video. It's already an extremely long video that could've been condensed down considerably and should've focused more on cost comparative wheel bases rather than other direct drive wheel bases with a blurb about comparison to high end choices at the end instead
I think the point is that you can’t compare them because dd is superior. The aim of the CSL DD was to change the mid-range market and as it obviously obliterates competition in that area because it’s so different, it isn’t fair to compare it to them.
I think the point is that you can’t compare them because dd is superior. The aim of the CSL DD was to change the mid-range market and as it obviously obliterates competition in that area because it’s so different, it isn’t fair to compare it to them.
@@jamiebaker8189 sounded more like they didn't live up to something three times the price. It's also still the same price point and is exactly what buyers with that budget are be going to comparing.
Great video. I run a MIGE OSW and I love it but I will be recommending this to at least one friend. 2 things I never expected to hear thought in a DD Review: Vegemite Sandwich and DD table clamp.
Ima see the video right now. I hope the csl dd is good !
Very detailed review for an initial look, really great job guys. Thanks.
I would say that with extra dynamic range/maximum torque output some people don't need it to be competitive. However for other people it doesn't just add extra immersion but does improve laptimes and/or consistency. Some people need their sim to feel somewhat like real life which is not possible with lower torque wheels. Whether because they have real life driving/racing experience and can't adapt to the different feel of low force or some other reason I'm unsure.
Well said.. I personally feel like the belt driven G29’s and such are absolutely atrocious. So a step up from there is monumental. This is a downgrade for these guys no matter they review it.
Thank you for this amazing detailed review - I've been looking forward to this all week. I was also worried about whether it was overhyped but I am now confident about my choice to upgrade to this from my Logitech G920. Hopefully they'll also release a new rally wheel soon too!
fantastic and very detailed review, thank you very much. been thinking about this one, since the trailer. probably going to upgrade my csl elite wheel to this one with the McLaren Wheel, so the exact setup you did the test :)
Great review! As the owner of a Logitech G29 and Next Level GT-Lite cockpit, your comments regarding the power unit were very useful! I will definitely be getting the CSL DD with the regular 5nm power unit, and upgrade to the 8nm one whenever I get a sturdier cockpit. BTW, liked and subscribed! Thanks!!
Looking forward to not being able to buy one later in the year!
Guys, thank you, this is a great video and finally I feel confident in buying this. Love the detail you went into. It was awesome to hear a conversation between two drivers with different experience and expectations.
I've been on a G29 for a couple of months as my first sim racing experience. I can see that it's a good way to dip a toe In the water but it's nothing like a real car.
Very excited about getting my new gear!
Great rundown, though for me, I've recently invested £680 on GT Omega Prime rig, £300 on V3 pedals, £200 on BMW GT2 Wheel, £220 on Shifter, £140 on handbrake and £1000 on Podium F1 Wheelbase (sold the F1 wheel as I only play Rally). That amounts to £1540 without the wheelbase, £2540 with. If you have these other fanatec bits and a proper cockpit to withstand strong forces, you're only going to save £400 ish by buying the CSL DD over the podium F1/DD1. What's £400 when you're spending over 2k? Yes you could reduce this by a further £100-150 with the cheaper CSL pedals, but is it really worth it? Not for me, but I guess it could be for others! Or maybe I'm missing something..
Thanks guys
Will be using your links to pre order.
The extra force feedback from cornering would make a big difference to me and i'd rather save for another 12 months to get a dd1. They really do need to make something between this and a dd1
SOLID review. Very happy to see that you were able to get hands on one! I have been patiently waiting for a review of this as I want to jump into my first DD and the price point for a newer SIM racer has been previously prohibitive until this new product. Hoping the pedal set gets the same positive review, as well I am eager to see what wheels are offered.. a more affordable BMW GT3 wheel would be REALLY nice...5k for the new BMW wheel is insane... almost same price as my real WRX rallycross car.. lol
great review guys, very informative. I think i will go for something bigger but still not sure which base.
I bought a CSL DD and boost kit. The unit was faulty when it was delivered. I had to return the boost kit and DD. Took them 15 days to replace it. Only problem was they only sent the boost kit , so still waiting for a CSLDD that I have never been able to use. My last purchase from Fanatec.
check the wheel out at the Windy City in the PM18.......you will feel the road here as its similar to Sebring in places. But the big question is "what will the quality be like?"
That thing you drive in is incredible
Availability is KEY! If everyone that wants one can't get one Then we have the same result as a graphics card and price goes from $400 to $700+
They will be snapped up by scalpers and on ebay within hours. Same happened with the last black friday sale, some sellers had multiple bases/wheels on ebay.
@@MrDazTroyer they are doing a tier style release and are only selling one per customer. You have to have already purchased a wheel from fanatec to be in the first wave of pre sales. This should help with the scalping I think.
@@elementalracer @MrDazTroyer - I got one this AM as did a bunch of other people I know. I think fanatec really did well with this launch.
Pre ordered the 8nm with the McLaren wheel. Have to wait till late November now 😢😄🙌
Thinking the same. At the time I have the Thrustmaster TS-PC Racer with the Ferrari 488 challange rim. It's a 6nm base and a good one and i'm a little on the fence if the 8nm will be enough to feel that is a good upgrade. But on the other hand the pondium DD1 is more than double the money and as i'm not a hardcore racer from the point of hours i play (about 1-2 hours a day or every other) i can't justify the money
@@vfragos absolutely agree Vasilis, I race maybe once or twice a week during the summer, more so in the winter but still not hard core. My mate has a Fanatec CSL Elite and he isn't gonna upgrade, he will have a go on the CSL DD and then decide. Unless u get a good selling price for the TM I suppose.
Awesome review! Im sold. Coming from a half dead logitech DFGT, I dont think the 5nm is going to make me loose sleep.
gonna be upgrading to this from my csw v2.5, great review guys
Simagic is now offering 20% off the M10, it brings the price of the M10 DDW and GT1 wheel to basically the exact same price as the CSL DD complete with the boost kit and one of Fanatec's more affordable wheel rims once you factor in shipping costs. At the same price point would you go with the M10 or the CSL DD?
So happy I held off buying a csl or clubsport base this new DD has a killer price. I'm guessing these will be as hard to get as every other electronic products
Great Video. Great Info pretty much answered every question i had.
Thanks for the review, answered all my questions.
Lol will is such a nice guy! Every video he thanks us for supporting im like wait when did i hear him telling thank y’all and then im like oh yeah last video😂 will keep going goat
Great review as always. Products like this that up the competition is always good for us the consumers. I have a DD1 but I wouldn't downgrade to this even though I run it half torque. I always like the room for expansion if needed