How Much Air Does A Spray Gun Use? Mini Iwata LPH80 ANI R150 Devilbiss SRI Pro Lite Sata 4400BR RP
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
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i think you should do an updated version of this video pete as theres new guns now
Hi Mate, It's all in hand with about 13 different guns, a bit more comprehensive, so it should help people decide 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 great idea mate 🤙🤙
Hello Pete!
That is a very interesting comparison and I am as well one of those 50l compressor guys. I use spray guns mainly for bike frames and bought for that an Air Gunsa AZ4-1 1.0 without knowing this channel at that time. Being an amateur, the AZ4 performs very well and I first must get my surface preparation for base coat right before I could complain about the gun at all. That being said, the AZ4 feels a bit large at times for handling bike frames and it cannot be used for water based coatings, which is why I am looking for an additional spray gun.
The obvious candidates are all present on your channel: Devilbiss Pro Lite S, Anest Iwata W300WB, Ani R160Q and the Sata 4400B... The air consumption numbers in the video are adding up. The SRI Pro Lite with the TE5 air cap (100 L/min) holds a bit longer than the HV5 air cap (135 L/min) and the Sata 4400B RP (200 L/min) emptying the tank the fastest. What puzzled me is, that in case of the Devilbiss the HVLP air cap uses more air than the TransTech air cap (to be expected), while for the Sata (not in the video but according to datasheets) the RP version uses way more air than the HVLP version. Why is it like that? I understand that the HVLP standard defines 0.7 bar atomization pressure and a transfer efficiency of more than 65%. Apparently that can be achieved in quite different ways of air cap design.
If you ever run out of ideas for new videos, I would have a proposal: Take one gun and compare the final results of a tank that was sprayed with a HVLP air cap for both base and clear coat versus a regular non HVLP air cap. I saw you in one of your videos using the Sata 4400 RP for base coat on a bike frame and in another video you said commonly the Sata 4400 HVLP would be used for base. So, how much worse is the clear coat application with a HVLP version?
My favorite of the guns mentioned above is clearly the W300WB. But looking at the data sheet it seems a bit over the edge for my compressor. It can deliver about 170 L/min at 2 bar while the gun uses 190 L/min at 1.5 bar. For bike frames it could still work out, but if I do panels and stuff the air consumption might be too much... Consequently, the SRI Pro Lite seems a good candidate as it offers a lot of caps, quality and does suit my compressor at all times. Same holds true for the R160, which may have less options in air caps...
Fun fact at the end: I come from Germany and in fact the Sata 4400B is here cheaper (ca 260€) than the SRI (310€) and the W300WB (330€). In that sense I am tempted to go with the Sata in a HVLP version. But besides the flaws in ergonomics that I see as a problem too, I am not sure about the clear coat performance.
Thanks for all the great videos! I certainly learned a lot by watching them.
Cheers, André
Hi Andre, may i thank you for such a detailed comment, first off i presume you have the AZ4 S Impact Junior? and if so it is perfectly capable of spraying water and solvent basecoat, the needle and tip are stainless steel and the gun is classed as for water or solvent.
Going on to the other guns, i personally like for bike frames the Devilbiss Pro Lite S as it is now called in 0.6mm, it has a micro cap so uses really little air and runs at 1.0 bar so has very little overspray, however, you mentioned doing larger panels and parts so it may not be so good for you as an all round gun.
You have obviously listened to my videos so you know my views on the 4400B Sata, something i must say is not a problem with the larger Sata guns, i have used the HVLP setup on the 4400B and it was fine for basecoat, however, i normally use solvent and i suspect it is better for waterbourn than solvent, the HVLP in 1.2 does use more air than the RP, it's only a little but it is definitely more.
The ANI R160 is a good value for money spraygun but, although i have, it not really ideal for bike frames, it relies on pressure for its finish which means a lot of overspray.
To sum up, the Sata is a very good gun but with bike frames you have a lot of moving around to reach the various inside and outside of parts so i think the fan adjustment dial will really get in the way, if you need any more info and i can help let me know, cheers 👍
Wow, the ANI's used the most air of all except for the SRI 0.6. Maybe they are not the right gun for a small compressor. Thanks for the video!
You just saved me a lot of trial and error and money there. Thanks! Looking for a mini gun for my 24 litre gentilin right now.
Hi, thanks, glad it's been some help👍
@@peteshobbies5383 do you have any opinions of the finish of the sri pro lite 2.0 te5 vs the lph80 1.2? I am going back and forth between these 2 and both get nothing but praise.
Do you mean the 1.2 TE5 Sri? , I much prefer the Sri over the LPH80, the Iwata is a beautifully made miniature spray gun, for me though its not as versatile as the Sri.
The LPH80 has a rather small fan compared to the Sri so tends to be harder work for anything of any size whereas the Sri takes it all in its stride, both atomise really well, I know people rave over the LPH80 but i really can't understand why compared to the Sri
@@peteshobbies5383 for me, my use is not quite inline with yours, i would like the gun to spray 2k on pvc windows and doors. The fan size almost preferable to be small. That said, i thought the small fan might mean i need a different gun for doors if i got the lph80. I appreciate the input though as even with useage almost requires a smaller fan sometimes, it seems the devilbiss seems a slightly better choice and seems in line air useage wise. Brill.
If your going to do doors on occasions then the Sri will be much better, you can obviously turn the fan down on the Sri anyway although i always think the guns spray better on full fan, the Lph80 will imo make a door really laborious, and it makes it harder to get a good finish and avoid dry patches on larger areas
Great job mate, really cool to see this since apparently ani 3.6cfm@2bar and devilbiss te5 is 3.5cfm@2bar....hmmm I have a ani in 1.2mm and that devilbiss te5 might be my next mini gun, however I’m looking for a mini gun with the largest fan size
Hi, I did a spray patern test on the mini guns and the Sata 4400B had the biggest fan size, Sata give it as a 1.2 but maybe the tip is bigger, when I get a chance i will do a pattern test on the Sri Pro Lites in all the tip sizes including 1.4 as I have the set, I suspect having used the 1.4 Sri it is the same fan size as the Sata but I've never tried them back to back with the same material in the gun
Pete's Hobbies & Interests Peter Jones , cheers mate, seen your other videos about spray fan size and you and I sent message back and forth regarding the nozzle size of the sata and why it could be larger spray fan,well anyway great work
FYI The Iwata is designed to run at 1 bar and not 2. Enjoyed watching the vid.
Hi, yes, your right, thanks for pointing that out, I'm a typical bloke and dont read the instructions 😉, having said that the LPH80 keeps it's pattern even when at higher pressures depending on viscosity of the the fluid, I don't normally use a gauge and just adjust to the finish I want
That was very interesting indeed!! Any chance of doing one on the fgl5 in comparison with equivalent ANI ??
Hi Alan, i did a similar thing with the full size guns i had at the time, I didn't have the F160 then but air consumption is around about the same on both, links below, hope it helps, the tank was 50lts so around 11 gallons and is the same as the one used in the mini gun comparison, cheers 👍
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Thank you for your informative vlogs and please do not mind the pun. I have about 12 Sata's, WS400 1.4 HD and 2 LPH80's. A 1.2 limited edition, just lile yours and a 1.0. I use the 1.0 for smart repairs and the 1.2 never comes out. Far too nice to use. But I have shot candy through it a couple of times. Great guns, for art work, drop shading and custom designs. Keep up the good work. Did you finish your yellow Suzuki 350?
Hi Niam, you've got more gun's than me 😂😂, can't have too many gun's, that's what i tell the wife anyway, I still haven't got round to finishing the DR350 yet, I'm sure it'll get done one day but there always seems like other stuff to do, i will get there though.
I have started using a few more gun's theses day's thanks to the channel, people ask about different gun's I've got and i think it's ages since I've used that so out they come, got some videos using them so will put those up when they are edited, appreciate the comments , cheers
hello, thanks for the videos, they are helpful but I can hardly understand English (from Russia). I understand that you are talking about atomization and overspray the same for lph and sri. I have an lph400lvx, and I want to take something new for spot repair, please advise sri 1.0 is enough or 1.2, and which head works at a lower pressure te5? thanks
Hi Mate, In an ideal world i would advise a 1.0 for base coat and 1.2 for clear but if you are only using 1 gun I would say 1.2, the Sri caps are TE5 and HV5, they both work at the same pressure which is 2bar, the HV5 uses more air than the TE5 so if air is limited the TE5 would be better, hope that helps, greetings from the UK👍
HPS = HIGH PRECISION SYSTEM. But in usage terms it is meanings. You just pick the gun up it is set up already and as you do dust about 20 coats in sub zero conditions. LOL
Pete, another great video, what size compressor were you using in the video. Thanks Glyn.
Hi Glyn, it's only 50 litres but it's a 14.8Cfm so a high output small cylinder, the output is more critical than the capacity
Pete's Hobbies & Interests Peter Jones, it seems to cope with the r150 really well. I’ve got a 50ltr but with a lower 9.6cfm. On sprayguns direct it says it needs 3.6cfm @ 2bar so hopefully I will just be ok. I’m furloughed at the moment so I’m going out to time mine now. I’m curious. Thanks again Pete.
@@glynharding8109, in theory it should be around the same as my 150 because the tank capacity is the same, it will just take longer for your tank to refill
Pete's Hobbies & Interests Peter Jones, Pete mine timed at 33 seconds with the same settings as yours with a 1.2 tip. Hopefully it will be ok for motorbike bits!
Pete's Hobbies & Interests Peter Jones that’s your next test, how long will the tanks take to fill!
Bro I want this gun