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Hi there. I bought the Neptune 4 pro too and until its delivered i have question about the. Is it possible to print on stock settings without the blower fan bar? Does it print still good quality or should i have it running all the time? And have i slow down the printing speed then? Thanks :)
Elegoo updated Cura 4.8 (8.12.2023) - do you know how to copy/move/migrate the profile to a more actual version (5.6)? Wifi isn't unpossible - I'm using it here (with a additional dongle)
Do you need specialist PLA for high speed printing? What are good brands to go for? I'm currently using Elegoo for normal-speed printing and at $11/kg it's a solid performer but I wonder how it would handle high speed.
"Do you need specialist PLA for high speed printing?" No "What are good brands to go for?" My fav is Spectrum. I never had any problem with it. There is also Devil Design, once the spool was defective. But it was 1 out of 20. These 2 i would say are the best because of very good price.
What I still want is the possibility to control via phone. See a video what is currently happening with the possibility to stop the print. EVEN when i am not in the same WiFi Network. So when I am grocery shpping (for example). This is important for bigger prints which are aking very long.
The manufacturer seems to have chosen the marketing path for this model. Adjusting the table is good. A disposable heavy extruder is bad. Namely, the manufacturer made it disposable in pursuit of relief (unsuccessful, but more on that in the end). Gears are now original and unassembled, and it is impossible to buy them even in the official store)) The quality of the gears is not very good and, of course, they are NOT hot (like steel, not magnetic, it looks like stainless steel), so do not try to print composites. At the same time, the plate of the table carriage remained steel (aluminum would be 20 grams lighter and not worse). The nozzle heater is now also rare, in size 16*15*20 mm. So I still have to look for replacement socks. And the native sock crumbles after two weeks of work at 255 degrees. The LED on the extruder is cool, but I feel it will die because of working in extreme thermal mode. For the same reason, the inductive sensor of the auto-level of the table will also die. On Neptune 3, the same one died after several heats of the table to 85 degrees (the printer is in a passive thermal chamber). If you plan to print petg and abs, then buy a pair of spare NPN NC type. Do not try to find the original ones, they, like the gears, are also not in this store or in others)))) The nozzle radiator fan is now 3010 (instead of 4015), works at much higher speeds and will die sooner. Fortunately, if you file everything superfluous in the extruder, you can find a place for the cooler 4015. Super blowing is not needed, because there is no question about the quality of printing at the stated speeds, so we have 4 unnecessary 4020 snails. And I also decided to weigh the extruder assembly ... (in the advertising picture, the seller boasts of the extruder's weight of 291 grams, which is like a hundred grams less than Neptune3). And so. The extruder assembly actually weighs (!) 472 grams! In general, there will be no long-term high-quality work at the maximum declared temperature characteristics, there is also no need to wait for speeds, and it is better to buy Neptune3, which is much cheaper and more maintainable.
The practical printing turned out to be somewhat better than I expected. The quality begins to be noticeably lost at speeds as much as 100 mm / s, which is very decent, despite all the jambs. The list of which I will probably continue. The z-axis guides moving along the screw axes have a backlash of 2 millimeters. It must be eliminated, while avoiding the rigid attachment of these guides. The system loads from 30 seconds to 3 minutes. The screen freezes very often when the buttons are pressed (usually for a couple of seconds, but sometimes up to 10 seconds). Occasionally, after pressing the buttons, the required action does not occur. It is impossible to press several different buttons in quick succession. There is no menu for setting jerks and accelerations, and what the manufacturer has screwed up by default, it's scary to think, given what he "calculated and projected" print speeds. We'll have to manage this from the slicer. An adjustable table is probably a good thing. but. 1. Two-stage calibration of the table at 121 points is too long, namely 10 minutes from start to restart to save the parameters (without a final reboot, the table map is not saved). About half a minute of this time is spent by the printer on unnecessary trips from the zero position to the same zero position. By the way, before printing, the printer also goes home twice for some reason. 2. the alignment interface is made completely incomprehensible. Visualized is not a logically obvious square of 11 × 11 points, but an incomprehensible rectangle of 6 × 11 points. the zero count on the z axis does not come from any particular angle and/or level, but floats all the time according to an incomprehensible algorithm and it takes a crazy amount of time to truly align the table! The first time it took me 5 hours of almost continuous attempts, the second time a few days later I managed in 3 hours. This is a procedure that should take 15 minutes! moreover, I understood the process of achieving the result very vaguely and, even having achieved success, I cannot explain it (which means I cannot repeat it quickly).
It was only possible to understand that you need to turn in the corners where the value is minus counterclockwise, and where the value is positive - clockwise, but only in one corner and a little bit. By the way, the Z-offset is reset when calibrating the table and needs to be reconfigured too. 3. The heating of the table and the extruder has really become more efficient. However: If you change the calibration temperatures of the nozzle and table through the standard settings, then instead of calibration, the printer hangs tightly after heating. The settings of the preparatory temperatures of the table and the nozzle for the accelerated start of printing do not work here at all, since if you turn on the preheating of the table and the nozzle, then before printing the printer to turn on the heating of the table to the operating temperature... Attention!.. It will wait for the nozzle to cool down to 120 degrees)))) In general, compared to neptune3 pro, very ambivalent impressions. However, the disappointment from the shortcomings is gradually compensated by the fact that in fact the neptune 4 is about 1.5 times faster than the neptune 3 pro with the same print quality.
I hope Elegoo makes a 300 mm cube print volume version with Klipper, but adds an accelerometer so it can do input shaper calibration to maximize print speed and quality, and with WiFi because almost nobody uses a wired LAN connection in 2023.
I wouldnt mind wifi as a feature of course(the more options the better), but saying that no one uses wired LAN is just incorrect. So many people do and even prefer it! (like me) I will never stop using cables for a more robust connection. the only thing I use wifi for is for my google nest mini. everything is cabled. my pc, smart lights, chromecast, laptop and neptune 4pro when it arrives all use ethernet cables. even on my phone I never use wifi (just mobile data, since it's "better" or at least equal lol)
@@TheJordyjb - I didn't say "no one uses wired LAN". I said "almost nobody uses a wired LAN connection in 2023". The convenience of WiFi compared to stringing CAT cable through a house makes WiFi far more popular. It's not very difficult or expensive to add WiFi to a 3D printer if designing a new board, and most customers would gladly pay the difference. The SV07 has WiFi but lacks a few features of the Neptune 4. We're in the early stages of Klipper on consumer 3D printers. Features are hit and miss. Soon, consumer demand will result in some manufacturer bundling the most popular features in one mid-cost bed slinger 3D printer.
@@Liberty4Ever I'm definitely not against more features or wifi in this case. Even if it would result in a slightly higher price. And sure wifi can be more convenient if you don't already have cables routed, and I guess a lot of people don't go to the trouble of routing cables though their house anymore.
@@TheJordyjb - There was a year or so when nerds built or upgraded houses with gigabit Ethernet cables to make "smart houses". Then the mass market moved to new and better WiFi. The wired LAN houses now remind me of that one model year in the 1980s when everyone thought talking cars were a good idea until we suddenly realized we didn't want goofy gimmick talking cars.
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@@Liberty4EverCables are not subject to interferences like air waves do. I used to control mixing boards on live events with an iPad and WiFi connection to the mixer, and MANY times I had trouble keeping a connection to a router that was barely 30m away when the arena was packed with people with phones. Never had that problem when the control was hardwired and set in the middle of the arena. Nice to have? Sure. Better? Not really.
Yes. I have already talked to Elegoo about this. They will likely include some grease in the package soon. But how much the wheels and rails wear out without grease also depends on how tightly the wheels are fastened. With the 'ideal' tension, the wear is almost gone, but over time, it's still noticeable.
Yesterday I tried to print 250 mm/s on my Neptune 4. It sounded like it was going to fall apart. This is a good printer overall, for the money, you can say this is today’s Ender, but don’t, don’t tell people that they will print normally at 250 mm/s....
The Neptune 4 series from Elegoo is really awesome so far! 🤯
Neptune 4 Pro Review: the3dprinterbee.com/elegoo-neptune-4-pro-review/
Neptune 4 Review: the3dprinterbee.com/elegoo-neptune-4-review/
Get the Neptune 4 Pro from Elegoo here (affiliate link): shrsl.com/44m7n
Get the Neptune 4 from Elegoo here (affiliate link): shrsl.com/44m7m
I love how commercial printers have finally adopted my "mount the big fans off the back of the gantry" approach for layer cooling bed slingers. 😊
great video!!
How do we get the Neptune 4 printer profiles on cura?
hello sorry for bothering you but i wanteed to know if it had a input shaping sensor in the bed and hotend or if doesnt come with one
Hi there. I bought the Neptune 4 pro too and until its delivered i have question about the. Is it possible to print on stock settings without the blower fan bar? Does it print still good quality or should i have it running all the time? And have i slow down the printing speed then? Thanks :)
Would You choose Elegoo or Ender 3 S1 Pro? Why?
Does it require rapid pla for faster printing speed i just bought neptune 4 max
What greese is recommended to use?
Does it have a fillament change feature?
Elegoo updated Cura 4.8 (8.12.2023) - do you know how to copy/move/migrate the profile to a more actual version (5.6)?
Wifi isn't unpossible - I'm using it here (with a additional dongle)
How much speed can you get out of it without using a Klipper?
which would u pick if u could only have 1: the Flashforge Adventurer 5M pro OR the Elegoo Neptune 4 pro?
I'm undecided whether to get an Ender 3 v3 KE or a Neptune 4 Pro. Any suggestion ?
neptun the ender series is bad compared to these
Do you need specialist PLA for high speed printing? What are good brands to go for? I'm currently using Elegoo for normal-speed printing and at $11/kg it's a solid performer but I wonder how it would handle high speed.
"Do you need specialist PLA for high speed printing?" No
"What are good brands to go for?" My fav is Spectrum. I never had any problem with it. There is also Devil Design, once the spool was defective. But it was 1 out of 20. These 2 i would say are the best because of very good price.
@@Smok1125 Thanks for the new brand ideas - where do you buy those? I don't see either on Amazon.
@@GoodEggGuy i see my comment keeps getting deleted. Can't answer.
@@Smok1125 Thanks for trying. I appreciate it.
Elegoo now do fast PLA
Great
Sovol SV07 or Neptune 4? Which would YOU select? Thanks very much.
100% Neptune 4
Thank you!
What I still want is the possibility to control via phone. See a video what is currently happening with the possibility to stop the print. EVEN when i am not in the same WiFi Network. So when I am grocery shpping (for example). This is important for bigger prints which are aking very long.
Just to you know you can add a wifi dongle. But only certain ones will work
The manufacturer seems to have chosen the marketing path for this model.
Adjusting the table is good.
A disposable heavy extruder is bad. Namely, the manufacturer made it disposable in pursuit of relief (unsuccessful, but more on that in the end). Gears are now original and unassembled, and it is impossible to buy them even in the official store)) The quality of the gears is not very good and, of course, they are NOT hot (like steel, not magnetic, it looks like stainless steel), so do not try to print composites.
At the same time, the plate of the table carriage remained steel (aluminum would be 20 grams lighter and not worse).
The nozzle heater is now also rare, in size 16*15*20 mm. So I still have to look for replacement socks. And the native sock crumbles after two weeks of work at 255 degrees.
The LED on the extruder is cool, but I feel it will die because of working in extreme thermal mode.
For the same reason, the inductive sensor of the auto-level of the table will also die. On Neptune 3, the same one died after several heats of the table to 85 degrees (the printer is in a passive thermal chamber). If you plan to print petg and abs, then buy a pair of spare NPN NC type. Do not try to find the original ones, they, like the gears, are also not in this store or in others))))
The nozzle radiator fan is now 3010 (instead of 4015), works at much higher speeds and will die sooner. Fortunately, if you file everything superfluous in the extruder, you can find a place for the cooler 4015.
Super blowing is not needed, because there is no question about the quality of printing at the stated speeds, so we have 4 unnecessary 4020 snails.
And I also decided to weigh the extruder assembly ... (in the advertising picture, the seller boasts of the extruder's weight of 291 grams, which is like a hundred grams less than Neptune3). And so. The extruder assembly actually weighs (!) 472 grams!
In general, there will be no long-term high-quality work at the maximum declared temperature characteristics, there is also no need to wait for speeds, and it is better to buy Neptune3, which is much cheaper and more maintainable.
The practical printing turned out to be somewhat better than I expected. The quality begins to be noticeably lost at speeds as much as 100 mm / s, which is very decent, despite all the jambs. The list of which I will probably continue.
The z-axis guides moving along the screw axes have a backlash of 2 millimeters. It must be eliminated, while avoiding the rigid attachment of these guides.
The system loads from 30 seconds to 3 minutes. The screen freezes very often when the buttons are pressed (usually for a couple of seconds, but sometimes up to 10 seconds). Occasionally, after pressing the buttons, the required action does not occur. It is impossible to press several different buttons in quick succession.
There is no menu for setting jerks and accelerations, and what the manufacturer has screwed up by default, it's scary to think, given what he "calculated and projected" print speeds. We'll have to manage this from the slicer.
An adjustable table is probably a good thing. but.
1. Two-stage calibration of the table at 121 points is too long, namely 10 minutes from start to restart to save the parameters (without a final reboot, the table map is not saved). About half a minute of this time is spent by the printer on unnecessary trips from the zero position to the same zero position. By the way, before printing, the printer also goes home twice for some reason.
2. the alignment interface is made completely incomprehensible. Visualized is not a logically obvious square of 11 × 11 points, but an incomprehensible rectangle of 6 × 11 points. the zero count on the z axis does not come from any particular angle and/or level, but floats all the time according to an incomprehensible algorithm and it takes a crazy amount of time to truly align the table! The first time it took me 5 hours of almost continuous attempts, the second time a few days later I managed in 3 hours. This is a procedure that should take 15 minutes! moreover, I understood the process of achieving the result very vaguely and, even having achieved success, I cannot explain it (which means I cannot repeat it quickly).
It was only possible to understand that you need to turn in the corners where the value is minus counterclockwise, and where the value is positive - clockwise, but only in one corner and a little bit.
By the way, the Z-offset is reset when calibrating the table and needs to be reconfigured too.
3. The heating of the table and the extruder has really become more efficient. However:
If you change the calibration temperatures of the nozzle and table through the standard settings, then instead of calibration, the printer hangs tightly after heating.
The settings of the preparatory temperatures of the table and the nozzle for the accelerated start of printing do not work here at all, since if you turn on the preheating of the table and the nozzle, then before printing the printer to turn on the heating of the table to the operating temperature... Attention!.. It will wait for the nozzle to cool down to 120 degrees))))
In general, compared to neptune3 pro, very ambivalent impressions. However, the disappointment from the shortcomings is gradually compensated by the fact that in fact the neptune 4 is about 1.5 times faster than the neptune 3 pro with the same print quality.
Thanks for this fruitful feedback, it really help a lot.
I hope Elegoo makes a 300 mm cube print volume version with Klipper, but adds an accelerometer so it can do input shaper calibration to maximize print speed and quality, and with WiFi because almost nobody uses a wired LAN connection in 2023.
I wouldnt mind wifi as a feature of course(the more options the better), but saying that no one uses wired LAN is just incorrect. So many people do and even prefer it! (like me)
I will never stop using cables for a more robust connection. the only thing I use wifi for is for my google nest mini. everything is cabled. my pc, smart lights, chromecast, laptop and neptune 4pro when it arrives all use ethernet cables. even on my phone I never use wifi (just mobile data, since it's "better" or at least equal lol)
@@TheJordyjb - I didn't say "no one uses wired LAN". I said "almost nobody uses a wired LAN connection in 2023". The convenience of WiFi compared to stringing CAT cable through a house makes WiFi far more popular. It's not very difficult or expensive to add WiFi to a 3D printer if designing a new board, and most customers would gladly pay the difference. The SV07 has WiFi but lacks a few features of the Neptune 4. We're in the early stages of Klipper on consumer 3D printers. Features are hit and miss. Soon, consumer demand will result in some manufacturer bundling the most popular features in one mid-cost bed slinger 3D printer.
@@Liberty4Ever I'm definitely not against more features or wifi in this case. Even if it would result in a slightly higher price.
And sure wifi can be more convenient if you don't already have cables routed, and I guess a lot of people don't go to the trouble of routing cables though their house anymore.
@@TheJordyjb - There was a year or so when nerds built or upgraded houses with gigabit Ethernet cables to make "smart houses". Then the mass market moved to new and better WiFi. The wired LAN houses now remind me of that one model year in the 1980s when everyone thought talking cars were a good idea until we suddenly realized we didn't want goofy gimmick talking cars.
@@Liberty4EverCables are not subject to interferences like air waves do. I used to control mixing boards on live events with an iPad and WiFi connection to the mixer, and MANY times I had trouble keeping a connection to a router that was barely 30m away when the arena was packed with people with phones. Never had that problem when the control was hardwired and set in the middle of the arena.
Nice to have? Sure. Better? Not really.
Elegoo 3 plus or 4 pro ? Which one best bro ? Thank you 🙏🏻
neptune 3 + klipper + extra fan = neptune 4 ?
speed
132 point leavweling system
Do you see any ringing? Is the quality better than K1 or P1P?
did you not watch the video?
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@@poultrypants I can still see ringing on all printers. Just wondering how bad is compared to others.
@@sabotage3d oh ok sry. But I do still think that he answers your question there.
Are you sure that metal rails must be lubricated? Since the wheels are on bearings they are rolling, not draging.
Yes. I have already talked to Elegoo about this. They will likely include some grease in the package soon. But how much the wheels and rails wear out without grease also depends on how tightly the wheels are fastened. With the 'ideal' tension, the wear is almost gone, but over time, it's still noticeable.
@@the3dprinterbee Thanks for reply, I am already using Nano-grease for various cases so I will apply a bit on the rails when my Neptune 4 pro comes :)
@@the3dprinterbee where does most of the wear happen at, the rail or the bearing? How long do you assume they can last in print hours?
Noope, z issue with layers still the same
Yesterday I tried to print 250 mm/s on my Neptune 4. It sounded like it was going to fall apart. This is a good printer overall, for the money, you can say this is today’s Ender, but don’t, don’t tell people that they will print normally at 250 mm/s....
I print almost daily at 250 mm/s without any problem so far.
As I see you printing at 80
Elegoo sells your personal data, so be aware!
Elaborate your claim
This is super easy to say, then elaborate nothing. People have come out with some actual captures of the whole Bamboo thing, so what's your evidence?
Elegoo is nice until they give you firmware 😢 now printer is dead until they fix
its a terrible printer. Don't buy it.
Why? Actually i think it's a better 3d printer than Ender 3 S1 Pro.
Thanks for the review, but I'm getting the N3 Max.
The N3 Max is great! I've had it since release and it still prints perfectly - not as fast as the N4, but very reliable.