Land Rover Discovery 3 Fuel Burning Heater Service
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2020
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Most Discovery 3/4 diesel have it: A fuel burning heater (or FBH). Not to heat the interior - no - for heating the engine in cold weather. The Webasto Therno Top 5 requires maintenance. Here i show you how I did this to mine. It´s a easy 3 hour job and it will get your FBH to run perfectly again.
Here are a couple of important links. Check them out !
Disco3.CO.UK - Robbies guide for FBH service
www.disco3.co.uk/forum/robbie...
Webasto Thermo Top V service manual
www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/albu...
Disco3.CO.UK Wiki page for FBH information
www.disco3.co.uk/wiki/Fuel_Bu...
Link to Icarsoft OBD2 diagnostic tool:
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I love that Vera is teaching you proper English rather than American - lovely.
Yes, she does - I am lucky.
Dear Christian and Vera, thank you so much for these lovely vids, I have only just discovered your channel. You are both a lovely couple and it is so nice to see a couple who get on so well together. Christian is the Englishmans idea of a typical German with his precision and attention to detail and Vera is just such a lovely woman, always smiling and happy and laughing at her husbands "jokes". Please keep the vids coming and thank you again. Paul from Liverpool.
Thank you for your kind words 😃👍🙋♀️ Vera
You two are so lucky and I’m sure you are both grateful to have found each other, bless you both.🇦🇺
Its so refreshing to see a German couple who is enthusiastic about their Land Rover vehicle, I like your pragmatic approach to accepting that these vehicles need 'looking after'
I'm not sure I would have your enthusiasm 😊 so well done Sir !
Say hello to Vera for me .
Thank you so much and have a good start in 2021.
Love how you are so calm when things go wrong... I panic and think £££££
Yeah, that is my job. 😅👍🙋♀️ Vera
You guys are helping to save the planet by helping people to recycle their cars and offset the great crimes of planned obsolescence and throw away society. Thanks for your help here with my next green initiative as I try to fix my FBH 😅
As a fellow LR3 owner, I appreciate the time and effort you and Vera take to make these videos, danke shon.
Glad you like them!
"Our Discovery doesn't let us down and gives us something to do". This quote is deserving of a t-shirt to be printed on!
Here, here!! I reckon a whole production run!
Thanks Christian an Vera for the thourough explanation of how to do videos ( besides the bits you’ve already deleted).
You’ve givin me confidence to safe some money and do the job myself. Stay safe
Thanks.
same as dennis always makes me smile to see you got another video up
Thanks !!!
Hi guys 👍🏻 Vera is a class act keeping you in your place Christian 🤣 I have one of those heaters keeping me warm at night in my lorry 🚛 Take care loving the show cheers Stevie 😎🏴
I'm Aussie and I had never heard of a FBH before this video lol
So glad I have found the discovery gods 👍🏻🇬🇧
😂🙋♀️ Vera
Just on time,i need to do the same on mine...once i find a time. Thank you for another great video.
Any time!
Perfect timing for me, get my LR next week, and I have no functioning FBH! Its so funny that you guys are so excited for your new video! Gr8, Love this channel...
Thank you a lot.
loving the sarcasm... are you sure you're not English. Also, like how your partner shows an interest, really nice to see. Also, thanks for the educational video, also helpful.
Thanks !!!
Christian, your videos are fantastic.
Thanks. Would be nothing wiothout Vera.
Well done Vera, excellent work, you even found time to squeeze in some landscape photography.
Of course we know you helped as well Christian.
Oh! and by the way, "keep the vid's coming. I'm a beginner to the idea of fixing my own Disco3 and if I want to remain mostly debt free the i should probably get used to it.
Yes, thank you!
You guys are great! love your passion :)
Glad you enjoy it!
It always puts a smile on my face when I see a new video from you guys.
I'm planning doing this service soon and also looking for an option to get the Webasto Telestart remote control installed.
I have a Webasto timer installed too. The functionality is no good and I don´t use it. Thanks.
Brilliant I need to have a look at my one🇬🇧👍😁
You And Vera are nice and good people, I want to buy a LR3 also is a lot of work the maintenance, thanks for the video tutorials it is great again and BTW I´m learning and practicing my listening english skills with you, Mechanical english. I realize that I need tools first.
Hello Alfonzo, thanks for watching. We appreciate your comment.
Awesome video as always , thk u , plus 1 to the guide on the disco 3 forum, but also great to see a video , thks so much once again for taking the time to make these videos stay safe and well 👍👍, ps, there’s also plenty of unpaved roads in the uk, lol
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@Vera_and_Christian indeed , brilliant as always 👍
Great videos Christian and Vera. I have something that you can do. I dont know the laws in Germany, but I went out during lockdown, got myself a gate control receiver and put a lightbar and two spotlights on the roof rack. This was due to the fact that I dont like wires through the firewall. So now its operated via a gate remote. Land Rovers are just fun and east.
We do not have any curvue over here and we live in the country side. We do not have much contact to other people anyhow. Good job on the light install.
Great vlog... thanks for sharing
You are welcome. We got -11 deg right now. Luckily the heater is working right now.
Another interesting video. Your English in impeccable, I am really pleased that you corrected yourself re: the bonnet, almost as bad as calling the boot a trunk! but as an aside, a muffler is a silencer in 'English' and you did well not to labour the point that you re-installed the FBH on your own :-)
Thanks for the tips!
Put redex in your diesel and it will help keep this clean. Great videos keep them coming
Thanks a lot !!
That's good to watch! I don't think I've known my FBH to run, so no idea what state it's in. Shame you can't force it to run, just to burn off any build-up in there.
If you ever come to Christchurch, in NZ, I'd be honoured to show you some of our unpaved roads! Once this virus goes away!!
Thanks a lot. It’s quite a hike over to NZ. We would love to go there at one point. It’s a very popular spot in the word for us Germans. Many of my friends been over to Australia and NZ. If we ever go, you are the first to know and thank you very much. 👍
Luv yr vids
Thanks.
Great job very interesting like the other video anyway, I'd like to have you as a neighbor...
That would be cool
I really enjoy watching you both. I think this job is a bit beyond me though. I get twitchy at the thought of removing headlights etc 😃
The headlights are quite simple to remove and replace. You’ve got this!
Another sweet video from you. I just recently found you and enjoy your videos. If you're ever in Sweden, I have some beautiful unpawed and remote roads for you to enjoy and a cabin where mobiles can't reach sitting by a lake. Nearest nabour is 3km away (a german guy, his summer retreat.)
Cool, hopefully we will travel there one day. Merry Christmas😃👍🙋♀️Vera
Saubere Arbeit .!!!!
Danke 👍🙋♀️ Vera
Hey another great video as usual 😁
I’m apprehensive about putting any advice in the comments as your knowledge far exceeds mine , but here goes
Iv had great success by using an “electric hot air gun” to gently warm plastic parts such as multi plugs or plastic casing clips etc.
It makes them much much more supple and easy to work with with and almost removes completely the fear of breaking them.
Hope this is of some use to someone out there 👍🏻
Thanks. Good advice. Next time I’ll break something, I probably think „should have used the heat gun“. Christian
I really like this video. Christian is a very useful JET A1 aviation fuel to clean the carbon deposit. If you have opportunity to get a little. Works well when you want unscrewing glow plugs, but you need to soak them for 24h
Thanks, I have to google that one 👍🙋♀️ Vera
Video got a thumbs up from me .. mostly for the German humour :)
Thanks, we appreciate it!
you make me laugh, great video keep them coming.....
Thanks, will do!
Did this a little bit different: undid the 10mm clamp on pipe connecting the muffler to the fbh, then undid the 3 torx holding the fbh to the front-bracket and left the bracket and the muffler in the car. Spent some time removing the cap on the bottom of the fbh, only to find that was the heat exchanger and that I had to remove the top instead. 😉
LOL, now I know why you bought a Landrover, . . . it's just in case you had to travel on the 1.4 klms of unsealed road that you have, . . . at least that's what you told Vera !!!!!! :-)). Nice video, thanks for sharing, stay safe, cheers from the Down Under Land of Unpaved roads.
Hello BigKev, we drive it at least once a week. It´s the only one we have and it is the reason we drive a 2.5 ton SUV. Enjoy your endless roads!
Luckily we don't need the FBH here in Aus so that frees up space for a compressor or third battery, although i camp more in winter so it may be handy when it drops below 0c.
I have camped in minus 6.7c which was fine with double sleeping bags and a large dog for warmth , a big fire and plenty of beer :)
I would like to drive your 1.4klms of dirt road, may just have to do it a few times.
Thanks for the tip. But we already drive it at least twice a week. The people living on this road think we live there too.
If you want unpaved (gravel) roads you needn't go as far as Australia, we have (by my rough estimate) about 220,000km here in Finland - some of which are rated at 80kmh so no trouble for a Discovery3. And some used for a rally ... they run a bit quicker.
I'm really getting into these vids. I'm off to Finland in February where it drops to -30 or more. I have a heater but can a D3 start in these low temperatures? I hear the battery can be a problem as well.
It's leftover chicken time..( tasty sandwich )...with experience of withdrawals it's only Tuesday and can't wait for Sunday, remarkably I found one of LR Time not seen...Chicken Time and LR Time...it's the perfect union.....yum 👍😂
😅👍🙋♀️Vera
Hi Christian and Vera. Another great video. May I ask why these engines need a FBH to get to temperature? Usually you just have a thermostat in the cooling circuit that opens when the engine reaches its operating temperature. Never heard of a FBH before.
Hallo Alex, der PSA Motor erzeugt nicht genug Abwärme und hat deshalb den Zuheizer. Bei Mercedes Dieseln ist oft ein elektrischer Heizer verbaut. Ich kenne sonst auch kein Auto mit einem Diesel Zuheizer, so groß wie eine Stanheizung in anderen Autos. Grüße nach Australien.
Hello both, amazingly helpful videos! Do the coolant and fuel systems require bleeding after the heater has been put back into the vehicle? Thanks!
The coolant system has a bleed screw on to of the reservoir. You do need to refill the coolant a few times. The diesel heater will take a few start attempts till the air is out. No problem. With the GAP tool, you can trigger a prime routine but it is not mandatory.
Can you Trickett just turn on is there an easy bypass
John 😁🇬🇧👍
You should be glad you only have one unpaved road. Here in Iowa USA, we have so many and they are a mud or dust nightmare depending on the season. I deliver for FedEx and it is awful on our vehicles. And you can’t have your house windows open when it’s dry.
Yes absolutely, we lived in Suburban Detroit, Michigan for almost 10 years and avoided the dusty roads in the summer. When we first moved there, we had a Firebird 350 and a Fiero, they were fun on the dirt roads. 😅👍🙋♀️
Interesting. I didn't know that the diesel LR3s had that. Sadly in North America we only can get the Jaguar V8, or Ford V6 versions. I have my second auxiliary battery in the spot where your heater is.
I would get the V8 in North America. The 190 hp diesel is a bit weak - but for Germany it is ok.
@@Vera_and_Christian Yes the 300 HP V8 is just barely enough power. We have a 2" lift, 275/65r18 10 ply tires, roof rack etc. The best we get is 16L/100km. Usually more like 18-20. :(
My l322 burner doesn’t work at present. So 🙏 watching in hope. Mine shows nicht error though
My German is nicht gud. I mean keinen erraten 😂
The Discovery 2 has a fuel burning heater. It heats up the cabin. Only available in cold climates.
I will by pass the Discovery.
Hi. Greetings from the UK. I noticed you used a icarsoft scan tool to read the faults with your webasto fuel burning heater?. I have the icarsoft LR V3.0 and i don't no where or how to find the faults. Sorry if this is a silly question. I'm just trying to be careful when using my scan tool.
Hi thanks for the video iv just got my disco3 a few months ago and my fbh was smoking really bad so took it out and cleaned it all and works well now. I have been told to get a diagnostic tool which do you recommend. Thank you.
Hello Neil, check out this video. It shows more about the tool we use. There is a affiliate link in the description too.
ua-cam.com/video/w7GSOlZF8VM/v-deo.html
@@Vera_and_Christian thank you for all you help. If you like and use the icarsoft to keep your disco going sounds like a good choice for me.
Love 5h accent. Vire instructions. Not wire. Lol
Thank you for adding more and more videos, i bought LR3 two years ago, i live in Norway and my diesel heater stopped working after 2 o 3 times, now this video gives me confidence to do maintenance by my self on a heater, but i need to know one detail, i saw video on russian chanel that in order to heater to start climate control in the car needs to be off, is that correct? Big thank you from cold Norway :)
The heater will only run if the engine runs and the coolant temp is below 75° and the outside temp is 6° or less. It does not matter if the climate control or interior heat is on or off - it is automatic and there is no way to see if it is running or not (except by feeling hot air on the exhaust pipe). If the heater is broken and it is belopw freezing, the car will take forever to heat up and the needle will never reach center (especially in Norway, I guess :)
@@Vera_and_Christian Thank you for reply, this winter i started to build my LR3 as expedition vehicle, i have bought 18" rims, 2.5" suspension rising kit, now looking for tires, winch pad, winch and roof rack, before covid 19 i was traveling every year around eastern europe with my daughter, now time to take more gravel and off road :) I was about to sell my LR3 and buy something newer, but after watching your videos decided to keep it :) I do lots of maintenance my self like you, never take it to car shop :) Two years ago i went to Land Rover dealer and asked to change oil in the engine only, since this car was serviced by previous owner 12 years at Land Rover dealer i have got 25% discount, so the price was after discount around 750 euros :) So at this point i understood that Discovery 3 i will service my self :)
Hello Cristian and Vera, After year and a half owning a L320, I realize, that I have FBH. But I still don't understand, when and how it works. Is it fully automatic turning on, or I need to do something?
Is Vera a professional photographer? Great photos!
Thank you Allen.
great job can you tell me on the Icarsoft OBD2 diagnostic tool the fbh info is or when you use on your video thanks
The OBD2 needs to be for Landrover. See the Amazon link in the description. In mine its called FBH or "Zuheizer" in German.
It is not part of the generic OBD2 protocoll.
Hello Christine my HEATER only works sometimes, it blows out cool air and it's only warm air sometimes? What would be the problem? Thank you regards Thomas
Ein klein bisschen Kritik muss ich anbringen, nach 13 Jahren wo ich meinen Disco 3 fahre.
Der Zuheizer lässt sich auch ohne unter das Auto zu tauchen herausnehmen.
Dazu kann man den Wasseranschluss direkt vom FBH abschrauben auch den Auspuff direkt an der Schelle gelöst.
Die Verkleidung vom ABS Gehäuse ausklippsen dann hat man freien Zugang zu den 3 Schrauben die den FBH an der hinteren Halterung fixieren.
Die vordere Halterung am Kühlwasserbehälter lösen, dort sind es auch 3 Schrauben.
Kabel ab und dann auf die Werkbank, Ersatzbrenner gibt es in den UK zwischen 150 und 200 Pfund. Mein FBH hat nach 34000 Zündungen jetzt einen neuen bekommen zündet fast unhörbar und ohne Qualm.
English:
After 13years that i own my Disco 3...
You acn remove the FBH without diving under your car, just release the Cover from the ABS Block or if righthand driven the Batterie Cover. from there you hav axess to the 3 Bolts that the FBH is mountet to his rear Bracket.
Release the one screw from the Water Manifold and the clamp on the Exaustport.
Losen the Coolanttank from the you have axcess to the 3 Screws that mounts the FBH to its Frontbracket.
Losen the Cables and of to the Workbench.
Spareburners can you buy cheaply in the UK eg on Island4x4 or advanced factors.
If you are interrested how i use my FBH to prewarm the Engine and Cabin in the Winter let me know.
Thanks for the Videos
This sounds like a more elegant way to remove the FBH. It is not obvious that this works as well, thanks for your comment. I will try this next time... hopefully not for an other 2 to 3 years.
1:30 What aboat go to the cinema ? Watch the new 007 . I heard there is a lot of Land Rovers driving pretty mad :)
HI Christian, tolles Video. Danke dafür. Ist demnächst bei mir auch fällig. Ich habe im Video dein Navi Display bewundert. Ist dort Apple Play installiert ? Was hast du dort geändert ?
Nein, da muss man viel mehr Geld ausgeben um Apple Play auf so einer Unit zu haben. Wir haben aber ein Video darüber gemacht. ua-cam.com/video/hGmF5yhUvG4/v-deo.html Ich nutze die eigentlich nur für die Rückfahrkamera und um Musik vom Handy zu hören, über Bluetooth. 🙋♀️Vera
What would cause the f28 fuse to blow immediately?
Hi Christian and Vera
I see you use a ICarsoft multisystem scanner, where is it connected to? and is it possible to reset fault messages with it?
Thanks for the reply
Yes, you can reset faults with the Icarsoft. Check out this video too:
ua-cam.com/video/w7GSOlZF8VM/v-deo.html
There you find a linkt to the unit we use.
It breaks in some nice places
Love your, Channel from Grand Rapids, MICHIGAN..
Just noticed what kind of Infotainment is that?
Thanks! We used to live in Rochester Hills. Greetings over to Michigan.
I like your video. The Disco is so complicated... Are you an engineer ?
Certainly not. But I do have a good general understanding of technology. I also read the Repair manual and research UA-cam before I start a repair. I think the LR3 is ok compared with other full size European SUVs in these build years.
Question ... I use BG244 diesel cleaner regularly - one can about every 5,000 miles (8-10,000km). This really keeps the engine clean and reliable. Would this also clean the FBH at the same time, so you would not have to do a strip-down of the FBH?
Hello John, I think a diesel cleaner is to remove residue out of the fuel lines and injectors. I think it does not effect the combustion. But I am no expert. I did not have issues with the fuel lines (I did change the fuel filter before).
@@Vera_and_Christian Thanks - I did read thet the petrol version left the combustion chamber so clean that you could read the part numbers on the pistons (remove the spark plugs and look) - hence my question.
Hi!
I just found your channel, great job!!
I’m hoping you might be able to help me figure out the problem with my Land Rover LR3 08
The hazards lights come on and it says system is shutting down and the instrument cluster stops working and sometimes after 5 minutes it goes back to normal like if nothing happened.
I took it to a shop and they fixed a module but that didn’t fix the problem at all. I’m thinking it’s a bad instrument cluster. What do you think??
I would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you in advance!!
This is a tough one. I would not take it to a shop. I would get me the hayes manual and take appart te entire instrument cluster and clean and inspect all cables and connectors. I would also inspect the ECU connections carefully. I am sure the instrument cluster lost connection and this fault would be locked also in the OBD2. This is probaply why the shop changed a module.
Maybe your car had a water damage or excessive sun on the dash or any other harsh conditions which let the instrument cluster or cables age. Be carefull disasembling the cluster not to break everything. It´s a big job. I did not do this on the LR3 but on our Freelander. Hope you can find the issue.
@@Vera_and_Christian thank you so much for your reply!! I will definitely try it.🙏🏼
The diesel heater on my Jag 2.7 doesn't come on and I don't know why. I can force it on with a diagnostic tool, but the car doesn't instruct it to switch on. The only thing I can find is that my oiI temp sensor is permanently reading -40 deg C, so there is something wrong with it. Could this be the reason?
A faulty sensor should be fixed first, and then you go from there👍🙋♀️Vera
Schöne Grüße aus Österreich, frage hast du nür sauber gemacht und wider montiert und funktioniert? Bei mir ist gleiche Problem. Danke schon. Lg
Ja, alles nur gereinigt. Allerdings sah die Glühkerze und das darum liegende Blech sehr mitgenommen aus. Wird wohl nicht ewig halten. Aber die Einheit geht jetzt wieder.
Another fun video. Judging by Christians skills with the long nose pliers he should've been a Dentist. 😉👍
I am an electrician by trade and qualified to use this plier. Thanks for your feedback.
@@Vera_and_Christian Ha ha, I knew those great skills of precision came from somewhere. :)
I’m thinking of just getting a reconditioned unit. Sod it. Lol
is it possible to use this heater to heat a rooftop tent?
No, you ned an external diesel heater for that. We will get a cheap Chinese one soon😅👍🙋♀️Vera
Take it not all lr3's don't come with these? Does it preheat the engine? Or does it blow warm air through the vents
It mainly heats the engine. I think only the Diesel has this unit.
@@Vera_and_Christian thanks for the reply looking at getting a 2.7 diesel so will they all have them? What engine is yours? Can you turn them on in the morning on a cold day? Does it get the engine upto temperature so when you start it does it blow out warm air straight away? Your videos are great by the way 👍
where can i buy oil pump for discovery 3 ... link? Reinforced or not...
I suggest Advanced-Factors in the UK or Autoteile-Direct.de or KFZteile24.de in Germany. Also Allrad Kontor Bremen is very good.
Ah yes, Discovery: always looking after us to keep the boredom away.
Hi Vera & Christian - have you found out if the interior is made out of real leather or not? :)
I think the seat surface, sides and head rest are real leather. It is a bit worn on the driver seat and there is no fabric below. It has the appearance of real leather. I think the back of the front seats and the pouch is artificial. The rear seats are real also I would say.
@@Vera_and_Christian thanks a lot!
Hi guys, how devastating it is to my diesel LRD3 to drive during cold season without FBH
Just don’t give it the beans unless it’s somewhat reached operating temp. Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian thx. Enjoy your channel
Now I understans why you bought an LR - you love fixing things! So tell me which vehicle would you absolutely not get?
Hello Benny, I will avoid electric and hybrids as long as possible... We also don’t like small Cars. I would rather drive a rosty old car running on 2 cylinders than a small new car. Overall, it will become difficult to drive a combustion engine in Germany in the next 10 years. 😬 Christian
@@Vera_and_Christian Don't worry Christian, there are plenty of manufacturers that will take a simple and reliable electric platform and make it complex and unreliable. The fun will continue! I drive a 2002 Holden Monterey diesel - so we occupy the same mindset - probably why I enjoy your videos :)
I'm first!
Hello Allen, hope you like it. It may be boring for non-LR3 owners. But there is some scenery at the end of the video.
@@Vera_and_Christian It was very interesting, I enjoyed watching it.
How do you turn these on
Never mind you explained it lol
@@karlsanderson8127 OR use a remote module like on www.lr-fbh.co.uk
Premature is not good in a mans world 🤣
I think this true...?
Wind generator or turbine. Not windmill, there is no mill.
Great video.
If you want to own a Land Rover you either fix it yourself or have deep pockets to pay someone else to fix it.
👍 That is why we make those videos 🙋♀️ Vera