How I fixed my Fuel Burning Heater (FBH) Freelander 1 TD4 Webasto Top C

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  • @ashy1423
    @ashy1423 5 років тому +4

    This has been a great video, I have watched a few of your freelander videos and they are informative and precise.
    I really appreciate the time you’ve taken to make edit and present this series and share your knowledge.
    I must say, you know your way around a freelander, hopefully I won’t need all the info, but knowing the freelander I can be sure I’ll be turning to you channel again.
    Thanks
    Ash 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  • @DiscoverWithPajerico
    @DiscoverWithPajerico 25 днів тому +1

    Great in-depth work, thanks for your efforts

  • @malcolmyoung7866
    @malcolmyoung7866 Рік тому +1

    Great video. My daughters TD4 caused mayhem in a local town when she parked it up not long after we purchased it. The heater started after she had left the car and two minutes later there was a fair amount of smoke coming out of the heater exhaust(front left corner) To the ‘unknowing’ it’s looked like a car fire… anyhoo someone luckily nearby had owned one with a heater and allayed everyone’s fears. My daughter returned 5 minutes later and noticed a commotion at her car. This was during the summer so obviously something was amiss with the heater so the chap ‘in the know’ removed the fuze for her so it didn’t happen again. It’s still not had the fuel replaced it’s ‘on a list’ etc

    • @malcolmyoung7866
      @malcolmyoung7866 Рік тому

      Fuze replaced… even!

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  Рік тому +1

      Thanks. Yes they can smoke a bit on old ones. It is usually when they turn off and cool down but the fan keeps running for a while.

  • @The-Yorkshire-Man
    @The-Yorkshire-Man 2 роки тому +2

    Brilliant just seen your channel. Ive got a TD4 HSE 2004 Auto - had it from new and its done 186K. Ive spent a lot keeping it going over the years (It'll be a classic one day :) and the FBH wasn't working. I tried the fuse fix and it worked. Great channel - thanks!

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  2 роки тому

      Thanks, glad you like it!

    • @lancalotspratt
      @lancalotspratt 2 роки тому +1

      Hi, I have a TD4 SE SW 2004 face lift manual with this preheater, so if it ever goes wrong this vid will be very helpful, many thanks .

  • @phileve2679
    @phileve2679 5 років тому +6

    Fantastic! Thanks for taking the time do make this video as my FBH has been dead for a while!

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  5 років тому +2

      Good luck with yours. Let us know how it goes.

  • @Rickybiker
    @Rickybiker Рік тому +1

    Great tutorial really enjoying your freelander content you’re helping a lot of people

  • @ianburit3705
    @ianburit3705 4 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the help videos. my heater was working ok but I suspect it stayed on far too long, then became temperamental and stopped. I was going to investigate the in front of radiator thermo switch but never did.. But I have purchased some 12 volt electric switches to use in pre heating - hopefully. IF I`m well enough I will try to follow your help tips. But at 72 years of age sometimes It gets hard to do things. I have already purchased a lot of extra service Items like EGR delete, already done the cheap 88 degree thermostat job, and today got a window mechanism repair kit in the post. so slowly getting there. thank you anyway. - OH one tip for you maybe, on my HSE model the rear under floor bass box crackled like crazy, until my son cut the plug and socket of in the under floor connection and solder jointed the wires together correctly, then insulating them - works perfectly now.

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the feedback and useful tip. Good luck with your car.

  • @johngreen2388
    @johngreen2388 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for a sensible & logical video, good to view it.

  • @gutrali
    @gutrali 4 роки тому +3

    I think one of the steps you missed, and why it started up outside the car, was setting the Air to fuel ratio (which ideally you need to do with a CO/combustion efficiency sensor tool)
    If you google around you will find a service manual that explains what I am about to explain in other words:
    The combustion assembly has an adjustment at the bottom where the fuel comes in. This adjustment changes how much air gets into the chamber near the flame, which adjusts the air to fuel ratio. Yours may be off either because this adjustment is off, or because some carbon built up in places that affected the air flow. You saw the heater start up fine outside of the car because of the additional access to oxygen above the diffuser at first. What you did during this was actually burn out enough of the carbon to restore the air flow through the pilot holes to get it to start up as it was designed :-) The glow plug stopped lighting off at some points because it was still hot/in shutdown mode despite your reset (it measures the resistance of the plug as a flame sensor, which is also why it pulses it, to do the readings!) . Your repeated attempts at making sure the unit works was actually helping to soak remain carbon with enough fuel to get the ratio correct in some of the air currents goign through the diffuser --- enabling more reliable startup towards the end. This is also why it smokes when you shut it down -- the flame is not ideal due to air fuel ratio especially at that stage when fuel is shut off and fan slows down.
    Next time I would say try to soak the entire combustion assembly in any type of solvent to clean the carbon. I wouldnt hesitate to use carb cleaner all over this. Or a few days soak in kerosene with frequent agitation. I do know the little metal sponge at the end can be purchased separately, but my thermo top evo is fully welded and I cant seem to get into it should I need to replace it. The whole combustor can be purchased too however. All of this would have been more apparent to you if you had that Webasto diag software and cable. It shows each stage the machine goes through and all the values of it's sensors and outputs like fan speed and pulse width of the pump.
    I hope this info helps you!! and anyone else using these cool little furnaces. I am adapting one here in the USA to heat a portable hot tub using gasoline, which is now the cheapest fuel around!!

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  4 роки тому

      Thanks for your input. Useful contribution. I didn’t find and can’t see in the video anything adjustable on the fuel supply or burner.
      I checked the manual www.butlertechnik.com/downloads/Webasto_Heater_Thermo_Top_C_Workshop_Manual_(2).pdf
      And the CO2 level seems to be set by software via their plug in module, which I didn’t have. That would have been nice to have and a CO2 measuring kit.
      Also like you found the gauze couldn’t be taken out as the burner case is welded and good cleaning of it is needed.
      I assume the CO2 level is setup in software by it adjusting the balance between fuel pump rate and fan speed.
      Carbon build up was the issue stopping burning and clearing this out is key. There’s were 4 vent holes that also had to be cleaned.
      Thanks for your input and good luck with yours. Would solar water heating be any good for your hot tub?

  • @kierancurtis8545
    @kierancurtis8545 5 років тому +1

    Excellent! I've got two dead ones that I'm going to take apart and see if I can get them going again! Thanks!

  • @rma64
    @rma64 3 роки тому +2

    Great video very informative having trouble with the fbh on my 2011 Range Rover so will attempt to have a look at mine . my fbh runs for a couple of mins then shuts down has you say the glowplug takes loads of power , so it could also be my battery has it drops below 12 volts after car is switched off Thanks for the info

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  3 роки тому

      Thanks and good luck.

    • @gerryr1893
      @gerryr1893 2 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/Y9zx70Eeccs/v-deo.html
      I convert these heaters for pool applications I have one to heat my 18ft pool and hot tub amazing things
      My tdv8 vogue has one too I can set from phone where ever I am

  • @baked.9nion
    @baked.9nion 3 роки тому +2

    A replacement wire mesh and glow plug clean gets these going everytime...I service mine on my boat every year, takes about ten minutes

  • @maxpay3960
    @maxpay3960 5 років тому +2

    Cheers mate! This video is awesome. Thank you for your time!

  • @silverfox4113
    @silverfox4113 5 років тому +1

    Just watched this video it was brilliant 👍. My fbh has always worked but for some reason now and again only this winter it starts up well the fan does then I guess fails to ignite. Hope it's not going to be too expensive to fix !! Anyway Going to have a look at the fuel pump first and definitely going to wire up a switch inside 👍.

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  5 років тому

      Thanks, good luck with yours.

    • @silverfox4113
      @silverfox4113 5 років тому

      @@comeinhandynow just a question what size plastic pipe did you use to link the water hoses together ? Many thanks. Ross.

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  5 років тому

      I don’t remember exactly. Probably a bit of 15mm copper plumbing pipe to join the rubber hoses together. It’s useful to collect rubber hoses and bits of pipe for spares when you change them or do other jobs, so you can then try various sizes. Usually connections like this are 16mm heater hose rubber pipe, like amzn.to/36H2ryZ
      So 15 mm standard plumbing copper pipe should be ok to join them. You will need to measure the pipe diameter to be 100% sure.

    • @silverfox4113
      @silverfox4113 5 років тому

      Brilliant thanks for your reply on that. Just another question on powering up the fbh is it just 1 wire green/grey you need to tap into with a positive or two wires one green and one grey ? Sorry daft question but just want to be sure 👍. Thanks again for all your help.

    • @silverfox4113
      @silverfox4113 5 років тому

      Just seen at 9:10 it's just the single wire green/grey pin 3 you say so no worries. Being a plonker. Thanks 👍.

  • @tiagomagalhaes1009
    @tiagomagalhaes1009 3 роки тому +1

    Hello. Thank you for you videos they helped me a lot. My FBH works but at any ambient temp. maybe its the sensor. Where is it located? its the one behind the front bumper on the left? I cant find any on eBay. Many Thanks

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  3 роки тому

      I believe it is that location. You could put in a switch to cut the power to the FBH to stop it if all else fails.

  • @00Highlanda00
    @00Highlanda00 3 роки тому

    Very helpfull video, my wife has a 2004 BMW E53 X5 Diesel and her heater causes a short somewhere which killed her battery, the garage disconnected it, fitted new battery and all ok. What could be the problem and can this be left disconnected or will it affect anything on the car if never fixed?
    thanks in advance

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  3 роки тому

      It is not that much of a problem to leave it disconnected, but the car will be very slow to warm up so your cabin temperature will be less.

  • @jez8670
    @jez8670 4 роки тому

    My Webasto Thermo Top C that is on my BMW e61 is working for the past couple of days but now i just hear a fan but not igniting. Thats why i just remove the fuse because its draining my battery. But i will try the same procedure like you did.

  • @Crash_Low
    @Crash_Low 4 роки тому +1

    Hi,
    This is an excellent video, I do have a question though; What size plumbing pipe did you use to connect the coolant hoses?
    Thanks!

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks. Heater hose is often 16mm, but I can’t guarantee it’s that.

    • @Crash_Low
      @Crash_Low 4 роки тому

      @@comeinhandynow So the pipe you used to connect the two coolant pipes was 16mm ish or the coolant pipes were 16mm ish?

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  4 роки тому +1

      @@Crash_Low The coolant pipes are probably 16mm internal diameter, so a joining pipe using 15mm plumbing pipe plus 2 olive rings on the ends would do as a joiner. Probably.

    • @Crash_Low
      @Crash_Low 4 роки тому +1

      @@comeinhandynow Thanks alot you're a star!

  • @shopsite
    @shopsite 4 роки тому

    I have a wireless controller maybe bluetooth and really interested in getting a preheat project drawn-up and implemented - You have sparked my interest - great vid - hope u can work with me on this - cheers

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  4 роки тому

      You can get gps & mobile car alarm modules that also have a relay switch output, the last time I looked on ebay. I would have used one of those. I have sold that car now though.

    • @gerryr1893
      @gerryr1893 3 роки тому

      I can start mine on my Range Rover from the land rover app on my phone nice to get into a hot car in a frosty morning

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  3 роки тому

      @@gerryr1893 Nice

  • @Erik3903
    @Erik3903 5 років тому +1

    Very good and useful video !

  • @3domas
    @3domas Рік тому

    I know this is an old video, but I feel I have to share this - using diagnostic software would definately help you and avoid hotwiring, playing with fuse and transistor.
    I come from an Audi world where diag software is easily accessible and cheap, so I am biased.
    But you can read fault codes, change coding, run tests and even some adaptations.
    Maybe this would have helped you too.

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  Рік тому

      Yes possibly. If you have suggestions for software/hardware cheap enough for the DIYer please post some links.

  • @iwilson72
    @iwilson72 25 днів тому

    Great video! Can you tell me what diameter the plumbers pipe is?

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  25 днів тому

      If you tell me the time point in the video you are referring to I’ll see if I can work it out or remember.

    • @iwilson72
      @iwilson72 25 днів тому

      @@comeinhandynow It's at 4:13

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  25 днів тому +1

      @@iwilson72 Thanks, it was probably a bit of plastic 15mm pipe as used in house plumbing, maybe have a look around a DIY shop like Wickes or a plumbers merchant to check for a size that fits.

    • @iwilson72
      @iwilson72 25 днів тому

      @@comeinhandynow cool, thanks! I think I've got a bit of that in the garage

  • @xolandetsa89
    @xolandetsa89 5 років тому

    I have a feeling that you have problem with one of your resistors, (N: 4751) (total of 2 ) on the right side from your transistor, let me guess, its working all fine till you start the car, and after on a second attempt (if you have a remote) it will not work, only combustion fan work for several min (on 100%) and eventually lockdown on the unit, with error code (glow plug short circuit to ground). Just change the roasted resistor/s ( 1560 ohms / avg) and you will have a working heater. :) I hope this information was helpful.

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  5 років тому

      Thanks for your input. Something maybe useful to some. On my unit it didn't have that symptom and eventually it worked fine every time after doing everything in the video.

    • @gerryr1893
      @gerryr1893 3 роки тому

      It will be glow pin

  • @ianwilson284
    @ianwilson284 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent video, thank you! Quick question; when you're removing the fuse, is this with ignition on or off?

  • @ashy1423
    @ashy1423 5 років тому

    Hi, I noticed after you had reassembled everything you had a grey wire at the battery to force the system on,
    Have you put a bypass switch in the cabin?
    If so could you advise us or even better make a video on how to do this.
    My FBH seems to come on some days and other days it’s on strike even at cold temperatures.
    Thanks again.
    Ash 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  5 років тому +2

      I was going to wire up that extra grey wire I put on so I could have a switch in the cabin, or better still wire it up to one of those remote alarm type (mobile phone based) modules that had a relay output that would then allow you to turn on the car heating remotely, just like in expensive cars like Tesla’s. I never got around to it though.
      To wire it to a cabin switch you would put on the extra wire like the grey one (see video) and route that into the cabin, with the other side of the switch going to a permanent 12v supply (look for one in the fuse box)

    • @ashy1423
      @ashy1423 5 років тому

      comeinhandynow
      Thanks for your reply,
      Would I need to disconnect /remove the sensor behind the front grill?
      I think it’s called the outside temperature sensor.
      Winter is coming and I’m eager to see to this before then🥶
      Thanks for this video it’s been a great help.
      Ash from 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  5 років тому

      No

  • @wanderingbox7971
    @wanderingbox7971 5 років тому +1

    great stuff...am gonna try getting a manual control for mine...🤔

    • @darkartsalive
      @darkartsalive 4 роки тому

      Any joy with the remote control option? I hear there's a mythical cabin remote unit, never found one yet though maybe someone knows a workaround or hack to make use of the FBH with engine off? I spend time on my rounds waiting in the car in the cold, adding another heater seems silly!

    • @gerryr1893
      @gerryr1893 3 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/uFjV6FST8Hw/v-deo.html

  • @tiagomagalhaes1009
    @tiagomagalhaes1009 3 роки тому

    Hello. Once again THANK YOU FOR YOUR VIDEOS. As you know mine works everytime....no matter what temp. But it also makes a different thing. When it turns on it owls ,,very strange its scares the crap out of people...any reason? yours is so silent.
    Thank you

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  3 роки тому

      Thanks. Maybe the fan bearing is worn, or it’s clogged with carbon.

    • @simonparkinson1053
      @simonparkinson1053 3 роки тому

      do you mean the whistling before it starts burning? That's the power to the glow plug being turned on and off rapidly to give it a nominal average voltage (say 9V) regardless of whatever the battery voltage is (10 to 15V).
      It's known as pulse width modulation (PWM).
      The pulses increase in width gradually to control the rate the glow plug heats up, presumably to make it last longer.
      The blower is also controlled in the same manner but I believe the coolant pump is a simple on/off.

  • @3216ben1
    @3216ben1 9 місяців тому

    Any idea what could cause a flame monitoring fault on Skoda Octavia 2 facelift? VCDS shows like 6-8% flame monitoring value before it shuts off and blocks the heater module, so my guess is that it sees glow plug turning red, but no actual combustion? It is a gasoline car, so I'm not sure how likely it is that it gunked up, any ideas before I have to disassemble most of the car's front?

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  9 місяців тому

      I can only guess that it’s gunked (carbon’ed) up.

  • @cliffperry8470
    @cliffperry8470 10 місяців тому

    Hi I know this video was made some time ago but can I ask my burner is working but puts out a fuel smell as you said bit can be very smoky as well for some time , is this right . Regards

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  9 місяців тому +1

      Yep when they are carbonised up and when starting up they can be smokey.

    • @cliffperry8470
      @cliffperry8470 9 місяців тому

      @@comeinhandynow thanks for the reply

  • @borishictaler9569
    @borishictaler9569 3 роки тому

    hi on my sharan, it doesn't work webasto, when i tested it it reports bugs; 01410, 02251. Do you know what would be wrong with that. thanks for the reply. a beautiful day

  • @rocksolidlandscape1722
    @rocksolidlandscape1722 4 роки тому

    Good day sir
    I am wondering if you might be able to help me out with an issue I am having with the same heater. It seems to function normally without any faults. The problem I am having is lack of hot coolant. It will run for 10 hrs and still only produce about 18degrees c out of the heater. I’ve cleaned up the burner and made sure the coolant circulation pump is functioning but still nothing. It seems like it’s not combusting as hot as it should? I hope you might be able to help me out! Thanks.

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  4 роки тому

      Take it apart so you can see the combustion chamber and then fire it up. It should get really hot quickly. See if you can tell what the problem is. Maybe an air lock in the coolant pipes or a lot of carbon blocking the combustion chamber gauze.

    • @rocksolidlandscape1722
      @rocksolidlandscape1722 4 роки тому

      Yes I had it apart and cleared quite a bit of carbon from the gauze and chamber. Some of the combustion air holes were completely clogged. Fit it back together and it fires just the same as it did. Yes I’ve been trying to figure if it is actually an air lock in the system. Do you not think it would shut down from overheating if there was in fact an airlock?

  • @jamesscott2462
    @jamesscott2462 3 роки тому

    i have a discovery sport 2016 plate. getting a very strong smell of gas(not diesel.more of a liquid gas smell) in the cabin now and again. A/C seems ok so ruled out this but have read it could be the fbh, could this generate a gas smell?

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  3 роки тому +1

      The exhaust for it is by the front left corner, so it could be a burnt diesel smell if it is running and working. Often they smoke a bit as well.

  • @bjornnylander8754
    @bjornnylander8754 4 роки тому

    Hi there!
    ive got a Webasto diesel heater in my Peugeot 407 2007.
    All of a sudden its dead, the only thing thats working is the fan, no ticking from the pump at all.
    Ive tried to reset using the fuses but no result...what would you say is the problem?
    Thx

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  4 роки тому

      Sounds similar to my experience with the one in this video. Try going through the same procedures as in the video. Good luck.

  • @leventaydin9936
    @leventaydin9936 3 роки тому

    Teşekkür ederim,vebostaya uzaktan kumanda bağladım,(green/grey)çok önemli bilgi .

  • @881Lice
    @881Lice 5 років тому +1

    My webasto work non stop with start car ? Why ?

    • @wanderingbox7971
      @wanderingbox7971 5 років тому

      maybe your heater control wire is turned to hot all time...check connection

    • @881Lice
      @881Lice 5 років тому

      @@wanderingbox7971 maybe outside temp sensor ?

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  5 років тому

      Yes maybe, it’s that one on the front bumper. Another useful mod would be to have a switch to turn it off by interrupting that wire.

    • @881Lice
      @881Lice 5 років тому

      @@comeinhandynow yes. Thanks man

  • @nutnaa
    @nutnaa 3 роки тому

    how does that water heater is able to heat cabin of the car?

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  3 роки тому

      It has a water pump that heats and pumps the hot water through the engine and the heater matrix for the cabin air. To be efficient at heating the cabin you would also need to turn on the fan blower.

  • @Pera-Peric
    @Pera-Peric 4 роки тому

    *How to make switch to disable webasto with start a car ?*

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  4 роки тому

      Interrupt the power feed to it with a switch...

  • @danpullin6610
    @danpullin6610 2 роки тому

    Hi there, how do you get this switched off,

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  2 роки тому

      Disconnect power

    • @danpullin6610
      @danpullin6610 2 роки тому

      @@comeinhandynow , I guess it's that same fuse you pull out at 1.45? , only want to turn mine off as it's not cold in the UK enough to have this and it never shuts off for as long as you drive, burning my fuel away when the engine gets warm anyway after 20mins

    • @comeinhandynow
      @comeinhandynow  2 роки тому

      @@danpullin6610 yes correct.

  • @johnhope7528
    @johnhope7528 4 роки тому

    I'm guessing your grey wire was spliced into the green/grey wire as a manual start?