I bet Georgia and Sarah are chomping at the bit waiting to get her on that stand,to show her true colours! Been following this case from the very start,from UK.🇬🇧 Justice is being served slowly but surely..
I watched this earlier on law and crime and got grilled in the comments due to my opinion on Donna going LITERALLY insane due to the fact she cannot grasp or fathom the fact that she’s not in control, she’s internally going crazy, and it’s very interesting seeing her behavior so far and knowing what evidence has been brought to light….I also agree she is going to try and have a speedy trial for sure. She is older and jail/prison is loud, dirty as can be, no privacy, the worst place to be… but she should have thought about that before getting her grandchildren’s father murdered in cold blood. It’s merely common sense to know if you commit murder ( even if you didn’t pull the trigger) and could have stopped this, that the consequences would be either jail, prison ,state mental hospital or death. This will be interesting to watch, rest in peace Dan Markel 🕊️
Why were people grilling you? I agree with you. She is likely mentally having a complete breakdown, and insanity is likely kicking in. The idea that this is happening is not something her subconscious can process.
1000000% agree with you! She has been used to being in complete and total control and she’s not able to manipulate her way out of this situation. She’s losing it! And she should have thought of that before having that poor man killed. Now these kids have lost their father, and uncle, and now she won’t get that time with them that was her very reason to have him killed. Sooooo selfish!!
Even her “I’m sorry” came off as indignant. With this awesome DA, Georgia and the wonderful Judge Everette along with Donna’s attitude, this is going to be a very interesting trial.
In addition to meeting with & reporting DA’s complaints, Rushbaum was very obviously involved in this case today, albeit from the gallery. He & DA’s attorney left the courthouse together as well.
I agree with you!!! She just can’t bear not having control… well take it from someone who had to do time in a Ga county jail and 8 months in prison, she will never have control again. Her horrific treatment she spoke of is the same as any jail. It’s jail not the Hilton. ❤
It’s as though Donna and her (uber-obnoxious) lawyer think that these prison employees-chief, guards, shrinks, etc exist solely to focus on her and her every whim. It’s JAIL, honey, not a Five Star hotel. She absolutely believes that she’s ENTITLED to a really lovely inmate experience. 🤣🤣
@@AnneStewart-oe7rjWell Said! They should just release her into Gen Pop. If she thinks she has problems now, wait till she gets that smirk or attitude with the wrong inmate. LOL!
I used to work as a RN at a jail and I thought the officer answered very well as to not violate HIPPA laws. I think they are trying to trick him. I liked the officer.
You were definitely not an RN. HIPAA. Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. Not Health Insurance Portability and Portability and Accountability...(Act)
Why would the state allow a visit between Charlie’s lawyer and Donna? What is to prevent him from conveying messages among co-conspirators? How can this be allowed!!??!!
I’m a psychologist and have worked in federal, state, and county correctional facilities. I think it’s important to mention that Mrs. Adelson’s current mental health status could be different than when she was at the other county jail. Just because a mental health professional cleared her for general population in the past at one location does not mean she should automatically be cleared at her current jail. In my experience, it is standard practice for a mental health clinician to meet daily with a defendant to evaluate whether he or she can be taken off suicide watch and placed in a less restrictive environment. Based on the testimony and medical records, it appears this has been happening.
She flat out said her plan was escape or offing herself. She's refusing to eat w/out utensils-thats going to affect her well-being. Charlie has called her 35+ times. The only thing I care about is the lawyer.
I think this jail is not doing due diligence. I was not impressed with the sheriff and I didn’t think it was fair for them to not have turned over the med files or at least communicated with her council. They know she has council and they know she hasn’t spoken to them. Why is the counselor speaking to her and not the Dr? Come on and get it together, you are giving this person a way to wiggle out of this stuff. She should be given her due so she can not have any room for appeal on a Technicality. I think the county jails standards are a bit high for mental health stability.
I don't know if her rights have been violated or not but you can tell she is not used to not controlling every situation in her life by her constantly, silently, responding to the questions and answers being asked and given.
I listened to an ex-inmate housed where Donna is. She said they do not see a doctor every day, a guard does not stay outside Donnas door. Donna is being treated just like every other inmate.
I believe Donna expects a law library at the county jail with a private room and leather chairs for her comfort while speaking to her attorney and spending hours memorizing call transcripts to prepare. She will have to settle for the glass window with people outside.
I don’t understand why the defense attorney grilled the Chief Mack. It’s not his decision. It’s not his job. It’s the health professionals job to decide whether she can go back to Gen pop.
It came off as "I just need SOMEONE to gripe at" from the defense attorney, and he sadly was the target. I feel for him just being like "I'm not privy to that, that's not my job" 😂
It is not very wise for Donna to hire a white collar very expensive lawyer from Miami, who can not really be there for her at all in Tallahassee. And this lawyer is very brutal and agressieve too that maybe will work perfectly in Miami but not in judge Everett's court!
This defense lawyer is getting paid huge money and has waited 22 days. She has only relied on trying to call. She should have already drove to that county jail and try and remedy this situation and also speak with her client. Unacceptable
This woman actually scares me. Not only because she looks like the crypt keeper and has crazy eyes, I think it’s more the darkness I feel from her. Empty, hollow, darkened soul. How does someone ever have peace within themselves again? I could not. R.I.P. Professor and father, Dan Markel 🙏🏼
@@Lori_in_CT Dad gone, violently. Uncle in prison. Grandma in jail. Mother is evil. Good job, fam. Bunch of f-ing weirdos. Good job. They are just so unlikable.
@@moongoddess8568I'm not sure yet if Wendi is evil or just doesn't have a spine and let Mommy Dearest direct her life. But either way, those kids deserve better.
I am a psych RN and this sounds right for what we would do in a hospital to someone on suicide precautions....it seems strange to me she still is really seeming suicidal after 22 days, but it's possible esp given her situation...given her reactions she may be someone who just says she is suicidal as she knows that it will continue this isolation from the general population...also consistent that she would be observed...if she was observed but the her and the lawyer's conversation bc they were watching, not listening...this seems more than fair if that is what the evidence shows..I love my job and the people help and some pts and inmates with psych issues are flat out abused mentally by staff and punished bc of judgment b staff..so like you can see both sides....she and Charlie had the smirking, etc thing...so strange...not a good look though..will be so interesting to see what the evidence shows in her case..but her trying to flee is highly suspicious...but I know adherence to the procedure is following the rules of the game...thanks for following it.
I'm just so frustrated that it isn't obvious to everyone that the MOST IMPORTANT reason Donna's attorney is so irritated is because she could have come to visit Donna in 60 minute increments anytime but she wanted to do it all by Zoom or phone calls. She is lazy and doesn't want to commute from South Florida to Tallahassee to earn the unbelievable amount of money she is being paid to handle the case. This attorney is lazy and unprepared and desperately needs help from a local attorney. The Adelscums have too much money for their own good. Wowwww
@@MandyAltamiranoDonna is a moron. Had she not talked to Charlie for hours about their plans and bought a return ticket, she'd have gotten away. Instead she gave more evidence to the state - which will use it to condemn her and chip away at Harvey and Wendi.
And her attorney knows by calling the jail she wont be able to get through? Most of us are unable to just to make visitation appts!Her attorney is hilarious! Come on lady get up and go in person to speak to your client? And I dont even have a degree ,just commen sense.
Watching the recording. I'm paraphrasing what I heard: The prison emphasized that someone on this watch list can be escorted to a room. The lawyer can meet in person. A guard will watch through the glass to maintain the safety of the prisoner from the risk of self harm. They will be watched and checked that they do not try to carry anything out of the room, back to their cell. The defense attorney keeps mentioning tablets, zooms, remotes, etc. I'm hearing that this attorney refuses to get out of her office, travel to the prison, go through the extra safety checks needed, and follow the strict guidelines to meet with her client that is under the special rules of the su1cide prevention. The defense attorney also made a big show about evaluations, etc, but has never actually requested the actual record of those visits that would have been recorded. The defendant has not had her rights infringed upon. Her defense attorney hasn't followed basic procedures to meet with her in person. The defense attorney is deflecting the blame from herself, attempting to gaslight her client into blaming the prison. 🤦♀️
@@debbievalentine6810 That's what you decided to focus on? Really? What word I used? You completely ignored the actual subject of the comment itself. What it is called is not relevant to a lawyer refusing to drive up to visit in person, even if they have to stay at a nearby hotel for however many days of visits that is necessary. The lawyer is gaslighting about the system in place for people who are in the special unit.
@@elizabethbottroff1218 no not the word its self, policy is vastly different in jail from prison as well as the rights you have. It also tends to confuse a lit of folks in other countries as to our actual system
Having personal experience in a county jail, and a week of "suicide watch" makes me see this ALOT differently then most. When i was first booked in i was not in the best mood. So when asked the series of medical questions i sarcastically answered yes to the are you feeling life isnt worth living. Not proud of it but thats what happened. From there i was stripped down and given a one piece kevlar feeling smok. Then placed in a pod where the officers were posted in the center. And all the inmates are around it. Imagine a clock and the middle is the desk and the numbers are all cells. These cells hold up to 4 people. You are given a mat and thats it. They dont provide you with food the same way. They bake all 3 meals for that day into 1 loaf for you to eat at night. Furthermore there is no showering, the officers do a round every 15 minutes and nothing. Once a week the "doc" decides where you go. I guess what im trying to say is i doubt that the jail actuallu looks into the problem and takes the time to each inmate. You have med school students passinh out pills, and they only provide you with what they decide. I was given a medication that i documented gave me horrible side effects. They didnt care. She deservrs to rot in prison but this idea of suicide watch is NOT what it seems and im not blaming the deputies. Its a funding issue along with a structural issue. Sorry fot the rant.
Thank you for sharing this insight. I’m really sorry you went through this, and you have nothing to be ashamed of with regards to how you answered those questions.
@Lawyer you know,Peter her attitude in court today didn't help her case? Continuing to want to be in control! The judge is very observant and D.A. attorney says she can go over all the evidence in a weekend? The two deserve each other.
I watched this earlier and imo, Donna's attorney is trying to make excuses for her lack of representation for her client. So sad, maybe a change of attorneys may be a good move for Donna. Whether guilty or not, Donna does have the right to a fair trial. I'd be scared to have her as my counsel.
Agree and how rude that she continued to pronounce the name of the psychiatrist wrong when it was spelled multiple times for her. I take it she’s not a public defender.
Perhaps we should have a larger conversation about jail and prison conditions, and not just discuss them when wealthy people are arrested. Donna Adelson is privileged, and has the capacity to pay a lawyer to argue against the conditions, it would be lovely if other prisoners had their interests taken as seriously.
That’s a great point. As much as i can’t wait to see Donna Adelson brought to justice, the jail conditions in our country are truly deplorable. Truly inhumane in so many cases and the CO’s treat the inmates like garbage.
@@angieblove I doubt she cares about anyone but herself (obviously, given why she is in jail), but maybe she can accidentally do good for others -- use those high-priced lawyers to bring attention to the horrific conditions in jails and prisons.
This is something I talk about all the time Made articles about this Injustice system we have. It's about money talks and shit walks. It doesn't have to with much with color, as much as it has to do with who has money and power. I should know I have been in jail before. Even the police said I got a bad deal. Luckily, I got off on the crime. We, have politicians that do things worse than the mafia, and get away with it and server no jail or prison time. I have known politicians personally, so I hate them all. I'm glad I went to jail. Also, the corruption of our jail and prison system and guards. It was a wake up call in learning what an Injustice system we have. I have no respect for such a system. Where stupid judges won't let the defendants also speak for themselves, and can use Made-up rules of Contempt of court. Where you can't question judges in court or argue on their corruption or argue with a judge on bs.
The court has no role in most of these decisions. It’s a problem for all inmates not just Donna. This is more of an incarceration reform issue than Donna being treated poorly as an individual.
Anytime someone like Donna ends up in jail and whines about the conditions I'm just rolling my eyes, because, while yes every human being deserves basic dignity and our prison system is vile when it comes to how we treat people, I just find it gross how *suddenly* this rich, white, ahole being held accountable now has something to say about the conditions. It's like when Elizabeth Holmes tried to be like "but my kids will be without their mom!" As a means to get out of serving her time. A) there are scores of mothers who miss their children's entire childhoods because of weed possession, sit down and serve your 11 years in bougie jail for fraud you rightfully committed. And b) funny how we're all pretty sure you popped those kids out to make that exact argument (she had them while she was on trial, she really thought that thar would be effective and she'd just get out of it).
Donna is her own worse enemy. I have worked as a clinician in a psychiatric hospital. The patients rarely see the psychiatrist daily. There is a round table discussion on a weekly basis or more often if needed when all involved in the care of an individual can discuss issues. There are times when the individual is asked to attend. As a clinician the interaction is not always a sit down conversation, it can be observations or discussions with other staff. My experience is in a hospital setting, not a jail. Donna, as we have heard, can’t keep her mouth shut and it is or can be to her peril.
If the defense was so concerned about reports why didn't she ask the jail for them or subpoena the medical records. This is why i have a hard time believing the defense. However, it definitely can be difficult to get in touch with government officials.
I think this put the sheriffs on notice to pay attention to what is going on in the jail. The court is on notice also. Donna needs to hire a local lawyer to get through the BS.
Honestly…I think that the psychiatrist likely relies on certain staff like Nurse Practitioners or registered psychiatric nurses to do assessments then reviews the cases and only does direct assessments as needed. They likely work as a team. I do think the psychiatrist should be touching base with the patient at some point in a 3 week period. Moral of this story is don’t make idle suicide threats because nothing will suspend your rights as quickly and easily as being caught in mental health acts most places in the world.😊
Honestly, this is my favorite thing to watch gaslighters/manipulators be in. Donna can't control or lie her way out of this. All the tactics she used in her family are ineffective and that reality hasn't sunk in yet. It's chicken soup for the soul for people who've dealt with that sh*t from their families.
49:28 I want to point out that mental health and wellness is constantly changing. Just because Miami didn’t feel she’s at risk doesn’t mean she isn’t NOW at risk. That can change in an INSTANT, not to mention days. I find the defense’s argument disingenuous. I’ve personally seen those held in mental health facilities pending legal action change on a dime. A single bad day can make a normally healthy individual suicidal. And the. You can’t just take them off precautions the next day if they don’t endorse SI (suicidal ideation). You have to be wary of them lying so they can self harm. You need to work off BEHAVIORS, not words.
At the psych hospital I worked at a patient had to be willing to contract for safety before they are taken off suicide watch and must promise to inform staff of suicidal thoughts. Ms. Adelson may not be willing to do that.
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Personally, I have experienced a real struggle when trying to get ahold of clients, share or retrieve info, etc. with the jails and prisons but especially since that big illness. No idea why or what happened. It's like these institutions went into a black hole o.o IF you can get ahold of someone, good luck...
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Not defending Donna, by any means. If you listened to the hearing, states clearly, Donna doesn't and hasn't had a tablet. And, exactly what she has and had since her incarceration. "Even a toothbrush can be dangerous to one on suicide watch". Imo, the defense attorney is grasping and the "person in charge" of the jail is clueless. Pity is all I can say about this situation, because we live in the best country and can't seem to get back to our own Constitution!
@dena7316 lol "best country". Bullshit. We tell ourselves that so that we never demand better. We can't figure out Healthcare despite almost every other country figuring that out, we live in a system that exploits and degrades the poor while allowing the top 1% to hide their money from ever paying their share, we clutch our pearls at universal basic income or low cost education because "its socialist", we have a culture that boasts and flaunts its ignorance of the rest of the world, and our justice system regularly f*cks up and allows law enforcement to get away with brutality and infringing on our rights. This country isn't the best and anyone who says it is has never lived anywhere else and just swallowed that lie. Tell yourself that lie if you want, but I'll just laugh at that delusion. Donna is only whining about the consequences of her words and actions actually biting her in the a$$. She didn't give a shite about the systemic abuses until it actually hit her. She can just suck it up and her defense team can cope and seethe with it.
They said that she stated (when she was in booking at this jail) that she wanted to die so I believe THAT is why she was placed in Observation at this jail.
I can hear Donna's mind ticking from 9,000 miles away. According to emails sent to her daughter Wendi during 'the relocation debacle' (from 9.5 years ago) she is a keen advocate of 'play acting' in order to achieve desired outcomes.
I spent time in mental health hospitals in 3 different states - and will tell you for certain that systemic screw-ups like these happen All. The. Time. Plus, conditions in these facilities, even on a good day, are horrific. Not at all a fan of Donna or any of the Adelsons (please, never!!) but can guess that things are way, way worse for her than they're getting across here. And jails and prisons?? Wow, can't even let my mind go there
Question specifically about her not knowing how to contact other attorneys. Doesn’t the Florida Bar have that information?? Couldn’t she have looked there?? I have questions.
I'm guessing that in prison/jail, there is a chief doctor over all the staff for psychiatry who basically oversees the other providers. They don't always examine prisoners themselves but review the records and interviews done by their staff. And how many other inmates are on this kind of watch? She is not the only one, meaning Donna A. so it's what happens in the process. DA is probably being treated just like the other inmates. It's not private insurance any longer!
Yes. She's the exact type of rich ahole who lives by "rules for thee, not for me". Also kinda funny how she told Charlie to plan the murder and when he's convicted she's nowhere to be found. I laugh at Charlie because imagine being such a spineless excuse of an adult that you end up in prison for life because "mommy gave you an order and you did it" 😂
Thank you Peter for a great livestream and continuing to cover this case! 💗 I learn something new in every single one of your videos and livestreams. And congratulations on wining the golf tournament today! 🙌🏽
I actually like it when the jails misbehave a little bit and then the Judge says to them to make sure to follow procedures and policy instead of punishing them. It shows that not all Judges believe in putting the criminal’s rights over the victim’s rights as is set up in the American Justice System.
I hate I missed this live! That said, I used to work in mental health from intensive inpatient (acute care) to outpatient. You'd think that intensive inpatients wouldn't be able to access items to harm themselves. However, in my experience people in "crisis" are extremely resourceful. We had a girl who was on 1:1 observation that was able to extract the screws from her door (which remained open at all times) and used them to harm herself. Things happen.
Thank you for this awesome video, getting ready for work in Seattle. The best part of waking up is a new video from tlyk. Thank you for covering this trial!
The defense attorney needs to withdraw, it’s clearly out of the scope of her knowledge. This type of matter should have been handled directly with the jail. She can’t expect to get her client better treatment in this manner. At the end of the day the decision to release her to general population is in the hands of the doctors who you have accused of not doing their job. Let’s see how well this blows over.
Yeah what about her son in-law whose life was taken because she wanted to have her way may she have the hardest time in there and dream about him every night
but you see, those were things that happened to someone else... someone she didn't like who stopped her from getting exactly what SHE wanted... she's the real victim here, guys /s. 😂😂 I hope that if Donna gets life like her little baby boy who had to committ murder like mommy told him to gets to regularly update us about how hard it is and how it's so unfair and she just gets an interviewer pulling a Jodi Arias post trial interview and being like "no one likes you or believes you... why do you keep talking".
Zapp does not have to speak to donna to assess her. She can watch her from outside the cell and even listen to her interactions with other staff. Donna never has to see her.
The process to get visits is different for family and media for 1. Generally if you are in protection unit, given the amount of people in it it can take up to 3 weeks or more to speak with an attorney due to the amount of staffing.
@lawyeryouknow I performed an investigation on a company whose CEO told me how the company operates. However, that was not what I observed going on in practice. So, is it possible that the chief is stating how the jail is supposed to operate but that is not going on in practice?
It was good Donna hd passionate representation to take her case forward, at same time revealing to the judge all the obstacles to a speedy & fair trial.
@ Lawyer you know,Peter im listening to the re-play and my question to you is Why not just arrest Wendi/Harvey instead of one by one? Saving the state of Florida lots of money?
She is so clearly used to running things, welcome to the courtroom Donna. This is where you meet Lady Justice.
I bet Georgia and Sarah are chomping at the bit waiting to get her on that stand,to show her true colours!
Been following this case from the very start,from UK.🇬🇧
Justice is being served slowly but surely..
I want to see her act offended about something ridiculous and small. Bad Grandma.
I watched this earlier on law and crime and got grilled in the comments due to my opinion on Donna going LITERALLY insane due to the fact she cannot grasp or fathom the fact that she’s not in control, she’s internally going crazy, and it’s very interesting seeing her behavior so far and knowing what evidence has been brought to light….I also agree she is going to try and have a speedy trial for sure. She is older and jail/prison is loud, dirty as can be, no privacy, the worst place to be… but she should have thought about that before getting her grandchildren’s father murdered in cold blood. It’s merely common sense to know if you commit murder ( even if you didn’t pull the trigger) and could have stopped this, that the consequences would be either jail, prison ,state mental hospital or death. This will be interesting to watch, rest in peace Dan Markel 🕊️
Why were people grilling you? I agree with you. She is likely mentally having a complete breakdown, and insanity is likely kicking in. The idea that this is happening is not something her subconscious can process.
1000000% agree with you! She has been used to being in complete and total control and she’s not able to manipulate her way out of this situation. She’s losing it! And she should have thought of that before having that poor man killed. Now these kids have lost their father, and uncle, and now she won’t get that time with them that was her very reason to have him killed. Sooooo selfish!!
Even her “I’m sorry” came off as indignant. With this awesome DA, Georgia and the wonderful Judge Everette along with Donna’s attitude, this is going to be a very interesting trial.
In addition to meeting with & reporting DA’s complaints, Rushbaum was very obviously involved in this case today, albeit from the gallery. He & DA’s attorney left the courthouse together as well.
I agree with you!!! She just can’t bear not having control… well take it from someone who had to do time in a Ga county jail and 8 months in prison, she will never have control again. Her horrific treatment she spoke of is the same as any jail. It’s jail not the Hilton. ❤
Donna Adelson thinks she is smarter and better than everyone else. Unfortunately, for her, she has overestimated her abilities.
It’s called Grandiose Narcissist! Whole family!!
It’s as though Donna and her (uber-obnoxious) lawyer think that these prison employees-chief, guards, shrinks, etc exist solely to focus on her and her every whim. It’s JAIL, honey, not a Five Star hotel.
She absolutely believes that she’s ENTITLED to a really lovely inmate experience. 🤣🤣
Precisely!
@@AnneStewart-oe7rjWell Said! They should just release her into Gen Pop. If she thinks she has problems now, wait till she gets that smirk or attitude with the wrong inmate. LOL!
@@AnneStewart-oe7rjWhy do you think that her attorney is "uber-obnoxious"? I liked her, so far
Shouldn't her lawyer have evidence/proof of all her alleged attempts at contact?
Exactly! The jail would have records of whether she's been there or not.
These hostile lawyers are tiring.
I used to work as a RN at a jail and I thought the officer answered very well as to not violate HIPPA laws. I think they are trying to trick him. I liked the officer.
Chief Mack.👍
True, he held up well 😊
You were definitely not an RN. HIPAA. Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. Not Health Insurance Portability and Portability and Accountability...(Act)
Why would the state allow a visit between Charlie’s lawyer and Donna? What is to prevent him from conveying messages among co-conspirators? How can this be allowed!!??!!
I’m a psychologist and have worked in federal, state, and county correctional facilities. I think it’s important to mention that Mrs. Adelson’s current mental health status could be different than when she was at the other county jail. Just because a mental health professional cleared her for general population in the past at one location does not mean she should automatically be cleared at her current jail. In my experience, it is standard practice for a mental health clinician to meet daily with a defendant to evaluate whether he or she can be taken off suicide watch and placed in a less restrictive environment. Based on the testimony and medical records, it appears this has been happening.
They have their own mental health person in Tallahassee
This started since she was in booking. It’s all deliberate. None of the individuals in this family can be trusted.
She said in a recorded phone call she would kill herself if she goes to jail enough said
She flat out said her plan was escape or offing herself. She's refusing to eat w/out utensils-thats going to affect her well-being. Charlie has called her 35+ times. The only thing I care about is the lawyer.
I think this jail is not doing due diligence. I was not impressed with the sheriff and I didn’t think it was fair for them to not have turned over the med files or at least communicated with her council. They know she has council and they know she hasn’t spoken to them. Why is the counselor speaking to her and not the Dr? Come on and get it together, you are giving this person a way to wiggle out of this stuff. She should be given her due so she can not have any room for appeal on a Technicality. I think the county jails standards are a bit high for mental health stability.
This lawyer could have called the jail and asked them what the protocol is🙄
Big fail for her
NEVER SMIRK IN COURT. that's what I have learned over the last 2 months.
I don't know if her rights have been violated or not but you can tell she is not used to not controlling every situation in her life by her constantly, silently, responding to the questions and answers being asked and given.
Narcissists at their best
The doubts I had before about the conspiracy have now been lifted. Imagine living in this shit. Charlie should have turned on her.
The jail did not violate Donna's rights!
Why doesn't Donna hire a local attorney who can visit 24/7 and she doesn't rely on remote access
I listened to an ex-inmate housed where Donna is. She said they do not see a doctor every day, a guard does not stay outside Donnas door. Donna is being treated just like every other inmate.
Yep - don’t do the crime if can’t do the time as they say - allegedly
I believe Donna expects a law library at the county jail with a private room and leather chairs for her comfort while speaking to her attorney and spending hours memorizing call transcripts to prepare. She will have to settle for the glass window with people outside.
Rewatching: Donna Adelson’s attitude screams ENTITLEMENT.
Love the demeanor of the judge....
I don’t understand why the defense attorney grilled the Chief Mack. It’s not his decision. It’s not his job. It’s the health professionals job to decide whether she can go back to Gen pop.
It came off as "I just need SOMEONE to gripe at" from the defense attorney, and he sadly was the target. I feel for him just being like "I'm not privy to that, that's not my job" 😂
The defense attorney flew back to Miami after the hearing. There is no way she can prepare from Miami or ALONE (needs other attorneys)
I’ve long surmised Charlie’s lawyer was defending the whole entire family during his trial. His visit to Donna further confirms this suspicion.
Rashbaum is probably guiding Descalzo.
I don't begrudge anyone their defense... even if Donna's attorney is reeeaally grating.
I am sure Charlie will eventually regret that. Possibly a lawyer who is loyal to the hand that pays him?
Charlie will be sentenced this morning …
It is not very wise for Donna to hire a white collar very expensive lawyer from Miami, who can not really be there for her at all in Tallahassee. And this lawyer is very brutal and agressieve too that maybe will work perfectly in Miami but not in judge Everett's court!
This defense lawyer is getting paid huge money and has waited 22 days. She has only relied on trying to call. She should have already drove to that county jail and try and remedy this situation and also speak with her client. Unacceptable
And after saying she tried to call, she asked for their business cards.
@@MandyAltamirano- Good point.
Lazy!
She mispronounced DR Sapp’s name despite the deputy spelling it. No respect from me.
This woman actually scares me. Not only because she looks like the crypt keeper and has crazy eyes, I think it’s more the darkness I feel from her. Empty, hollow, darkened soul. How does someone ever have peace within themselves again? I could not.
R.I.P. Professor and father, Dan Markel 🙏🏼
She has evil eyes
She wanted the grandchildren. Now they’re not going to be with anyone in the family.
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@@Lori_in_CT Dad gone, violently. Uncle in prison. Grandma in jail. Mother is evil.
Good job, fam. Bunch of f-ing weirdos. Good job. They are just so unlikable.
@@moongoddess8568I'm not sure yet if Wendi is evil or just doesn't have a spine and let Mommy Dearest direct her life. But either way, those kids deserve better.
DA should have hired a local lawyer. Its not the states job to tutor Marisel regarding jail protocol
She is hateful
She has a mouth and an attitude and it's not a stretch to imagine that she continues to shoot herself in her foot.
Fully agreed.
I am a psych RN and this sounds right for what we would do in a hospital to someone on suicide precautions....it seems strange to me she still is really seeming suicidal after 22 days, but it's possible esp given her situation...given her reactions she may be someone who just says she is suicidal as she knows that it will continue this isolation from the general population...also consistent that she would be observed...if she was observed but the her and the lawyer's conversation bc they were watching, not listening...this seems more than fair if that is what the evidence shows..I love my job and the people help and some pts and inmates with psych issues are flat out abused mentally by staff and punished bc of judgment b staff..so like you can see both sides....she and Charlie had the smirking, etc thing...so strange...not a good look though..will be so interesting to see what the evidence shows in her case..but her trying to flee is highly suspicious...but I know adherence to the procedure is following the rules of the game...thanks for following it.
I'm just so frustrated that it isn't obvious to everyone that the MOST IMPORTANT reason Donna's attorney is so irritated is because she could have come to visit Donna in 60 minute increments anytime but she wanted to do it all by Zoom or phone calls. She is lazy and doesn't want to commute from South Florida to Tallahassee to earn the unbelievable amount of money she is being paid to handle the case. This attorney is lazy and unprepared and desperately needs help from a local attorney. The Adelscums have too much money for their own good. Wowwww
💯 agree, I thought she was really unprepared and didn’t do her research before she got there! She’s a fish out of water here! Not a criminal attorney
Yep. Adelscums going on the cheap. Had Donna not been so cheap and purchased round trip tickets instead of one way, she could be out on bail.
@@MandyAltamiranowhile I'm glad she didn't but wondered about the same. They have so much money why not buy a return ticket, too?
@@komplizia I agree not very clever of them.
@@MandyAltamiranoDonna is a moron. Had she not talked to Charlie for hours about their plans and bought a return ticket, she'd have gotten away. Instead she gave more evidence to the state - which will use it to condemn her and chip away at Harvey and Wendi.
And her attorney knows by calling the jail she wont be able to get through? Most of us are unable to just to make visitation appts!Her attorney is hilarious! Come on lady get up and go in person to speak to your client? And I dont even have a degree ,just commen sense.
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Watching the recording. I'm paraphrasing what I heard:
The prison emphasized that someone on this watch list can be escorted to a room. The lawyer can meet in person. A guard will watch through the glass to maintain the safety of the prisoner from the risk of self harm. They will be watched and checked that they do not try to carry anything out of the room, back to their cell.
The defense attorney keeps mentioning tablets, zooms, remotes, etc.
I'm hearing that this attorney refuses to get out of her office, travel to the prison, go through the extra safety checks needed, and follow the strict guidelines to meet with her client that is under the special rules of the su1cide prevention.
The defense attorney also made a big show about evaluations, etc, but has never actually requested the actual record of those visits that would have been recorded.
The defendant has not had her rights infringed upon. Her defense attorney hasn't followed basic procedures to meet with her in person.
The defense attorney is deflecting the blame from herself, attempting to gaslight her client into blaming the prison. 🤦♀️
Yes, yes, yes
Its not a prison its a jail... Big difference, huge difference!
@@debbievalentine6810 That's what you decided to focus on? Really? What word I used? You completely ignored the actual subject of the comment itself.
What it is called is not relevant to a lawyer refusing to drive up to visit in person, even if they have to stay at a nearby hotel for however many days of visits that is necessary. The lawyer is gaslighting about the system in place for people who are in the special unit.
@@elizabethbottroff1218 no not the word its self, policy is vastly different in jail from prison as well as the rights you have. It also tends to confuse a lit of folks in other countries as to our actual system
Having personal experience in a county jail, and a week of "suicide watch" makes me see this ALOT differently then most. When i was first booked in i was not in the best mood. So when asked the series of medical questions i sarcastically answered yes to the are you feeling life isnt worth living. Not proud of it but thats what happened. From there i was stripped down and given a one piece kevlar feeling smok. Then placed in a pod where the officers were posted in the center. And all the inmates are around it. Imagine a clock and the middle is the desk and the numbers are all cells. These cells hold up to 4 people. You are given a mat and thats it. They dont provide you with food the same way. They bake all 3 meals for that day into 1 loaf for you to eat at night. Furthermore there is no showering, the officers do a round every 15 minutes and nothing. Once a week the "doc" decides where you go. I guess what im trying to say is i doubt that the jail actuallu looks into the problem and takes the time to each inmate. You have med school students passinh out pills, and they only provide you with what they decide. I was given a medication that i documented gave me horrible side effects. They didnt care. She deservrs to rot in prison but this idea of suicide watch is NOT what it seems and im not blaming the deputies. Its a funding issue along with a structural issue. Sorry fot the rant.
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@Lawyer you know,Peter her attitude in court today didn't help her case? Continuing to want to be in control! The judge is very observant and D.A. attorney says she can go over all the evidence in a weekend? The two deserve each other.
I watched this earlier and imo, Donna's attorney is trying to make excuses for her lack of representation for her client. So sad, maybe a change of attorneys may be a good move for Donna. Whether guilty or not, Donna does have the right to a fair trial. I'd be scared to have her as my counsel.
Agree and how rude that she continued to pronounce the name of the psychiatrist wrong when it was spelled multiple times for her. I take it she’s not a public defender.
She is really unlikable!
Donna is a fool if she keeps that attorney and doesn't find a top rated local criminal defense attorney
TBH.....it wouldn't matter if she had the best lawyer on the planet...she is f'd !
I don’t think there is an attorney in America that could get Prima Donna Adelson off in this case.
She's too cheap.
I'm sure Chief Mack has more than just this evil woman to think about!
Perhaps we should have a larger conversation about jail and prison conditions, and not just discuss them when wealthy people are arrested. Donna Adelson is privileged, and has the capacity to pay a lawyer to argue against the conditions, it would be lovely if other prisoners had their interests taken as seriously.
That’s a great point. As much as i can’t wait to see Donna Adelson brought to justice, the jail conditions in our country are truly deplorable. Truly inhumane in so many cases and the CO’s treat the inmates like garbage.
Oh well so sad to bad.
@@angieblove I doubt she cares about anyone but herself (obviously, given why she is in jail), but maybe she can accidentally do good for others -- use those high-priced lawyers to bring attention to the horrific conditions in jails and prisons.
@@ArticulateVelociraptorPrisoners need no good done on their behalf. Stuff a rag in that bleeding heart of yours. Off the soapbox now.
This is something I talk about all the time Made articles about this Injustice system we have. It's about money talks and shit walks. It doesn't have to with much with color, as much as it has to do with who has money and power. I should know I have been in jail before. Even the police said I got a bad deal. Luckily, I got off on the crime. We, have politicians that do things worse than the mafia, and get away with it and server no jail or prison time. I have known politicians personally, so I hate them all. I'm glad I went to jail. Also, the corruption of our jail and prison system and guards.
It was a wake up call in learning what an Injustice system we have. I have no respect for such a system. Where stupid judges won't let the defendants also speak for themselves, and can use Made-up rules of Contempt of court. Where you can't question judges in court or argue on their corruption or argue with a judge on bs.
The court has no role in most of these decisions. It’s a problem for all inmates not just Donna. This is more of an incarceration reform issue than Donna being treated poorly as an individual.
Anytime someone like Donna ends up in jail and whines about the conditions I'm just rolling my eyes, because, while yes every human being deserves basic dignity and our prison system is vile when it comes to how we treat people, I just find it gross how *suddenly* this rich, white, ahole being held accountable now has something to say about the conditions.
It's like when Elizabeth Holmes tried to be like "but my kids will be without their mom!" As a means to get out of serving her time. A) there are scores of mothers who miss their children's entire childhoods because of weed possession, sit down and serve your 11 years in bougie jail for fraud you rightfully committed. And b) funny how we're all pretty sure you popped those kids out to make that exact argument (she had them while she was on trial, she really thought that thar would be effective and she'd just get out of it).
Can’t wait to watch this trial!
Donna is her own worse enemy. I have worked as a clinician in a psychiatric hospital. The patients rarely see the psychiatrist daily. There is a round table discussion on a weekly basis or more often if needed when all involved in the care of an individual can discuss issues. There are times when the individual is asked to attend. As a clinician the interaction is not always a sit down conversation, it can be observations or discussions with other staff. My experience is in a hospital setting, not a jail. Donna, as we have heard, can’t keep her mouth shut and it is or can be to her peril.
If the defense was so concerned about reports why didn't she ask the jail for them or subpoena the medical records. This is why i have a hard time believing the defense. However, it definitely can be difficult to get in touch with government officials.
Subpoena the doctor. As I judge I would find it hard to have patience with this shit. It's just to bolster a speedy trial gambit
I think this put the sheriffs on notice to pay attention to what is going on in the jail. The court is on notice also. Donna needs to hire a local lawyer to get through the BS.
Facing the music for your actions isn’t always pleasant..🙄
Donna is giving me Darrell Brooks vibes. If she’s not careful, she’s going to get sent to time out by the judge.
💯 definitely shades of Darrell Brooks
If using Sarah Boone's defense claiming "No malicious!" doesn't fly, maybe run with, "It was NOT intentional!"😂😂😂
Honestly…I think that the psychiatrist likely relies on certain staff like Nurse Practitioners or registered psychiatric nurses to do assessments then reviews the cases and only does direct assessments as needed. They likely work as a team. I do think the psychiatrist should be touching base with the patient at some point in a 3 week period.
Moral of this story is don’t make idle suicide threats because nothing will suspend your rights as quickly and easily as being caught in mental health acts most places in the world.😊
Those are not questions for chef Mac.......thats for medical team....poor guy
Notice how Donna's lawyers didn't bring in the doctor....narcs gonna narc.
Chief Mack wasn’t on trail was he. The way the Defense Attorney. Spoke to him was very harsh
That’s exactly what i thought. She was extremely aggressive.
Donna was adamant that the suicide discussion didn’t happen. I hope they play the call.
Honestly, this is my favorite thing to watch gaslighters/manipulators be in. Donna can't control or lie her way out of this. All the tactics she used in her family are ineffective and that reality hasn't sunk in yet. It's chicken soup for the soul for people who've dealt with that sh*t from their families.
49:28 I want to point out that mental health and wellness is constantly changing. Just because Miami didn’t feel she’s at risk doesn’t mean she isn’t NOW at risk. That can change in an INSTANT, not to mention days.
I find the defense’s argument disingenuous. I’ve personally seen those held in mental health facilities pending legal action change on a dime. A single bad day can make a normally healthy individual suicidal. And the. You can’t just take them off precautions the next day if they don’t endorse SI (suicidal ideation). You have to be wary of them lying so they can self harm. You need to work off BEHAVIORS, not words.
At the psych hospital I worked at a patient had to be willing to contract for safety before they are taken off suicide watch and must promise to inform staff of suicidal thoughts. Ms. Adelson may not be willing to do that.
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Thank you for setting the bar so high - no pun intended.
Can someone explain why one of the mental health professionals wasn’t here in court today to properly address the issues in this motion?
HIPPA they would need a subpoena
Personally, I have experienced a real struggle when trying to get ahold of clients, share or retrieve info, etc. with the jails and prisons but especially since that big illness. No idea why or what happened. It's like these institutions went into a black hole o.o IF you can get ahold of someone, good luck...
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She isn't allowed to have paper but has a tablet so her communication with her lawyer isn't totally cut off.
Not defending Donna, by any means. If you listened to the hearing, states clearly, Donna doesn't and hasn't had a tablet. And, exactly what she has and had since her incarceration. "Even a toothbrush can be dangerous to one on suicide watch". Imo, the defense attorney is grasping and the "person in charge" of the jail is clueless. Pity is all I can say about this situation, because we live in the best country and can't seem to get back to our own Constitution!
@dena7316 lol "best country". Bullshit. We tell ourselves that so that we never demand better. We can't figure out Healthcare despite almost every other country figuring that out, we live in a system that exploits and degrades the poor while allowing the top 1% to hide their money from ever paying their share, we clutch our pearls at universal basic income or low cost education because "its socialist", we have a culture that boasts and flaunts its ignorance of the rest of the world, and our justice system regularly f*cks up and allows law enforcement to get away with brutality and infringing on our rights. This country isn't the best and anyone who says it is has never lived anywhere else and just swallowed that lie. Tell yourself that lie if you want, but I'll just laugh at that delusion. Donna is only whining about the consequences of her words and actions actually biting her in the a$$. She didn't give a shite about the systemic abuses until it actually hit her. She can just suck it up and her defense team can cope and seethe with it.
They said that she stated (when she was in booking at this jail) that she wanted to die so I believe THAT is why she was placed in Observation at this jail.
Thank you- I caught that too!
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I can hear Donna's mind ticking from 9,000 miles away. According to emails sent to her daughter Wendi during 'the relocation debacle' (from 9.5 years ago) she is a keen advocate of 'play acting' in order to achieve desired outcomes.
I spent time in mental health hospitals in 3 different states - and will tell you for certain that systemic screw-ups like these happen All. The. Time. Plus, conditions in these facilities, even on a good day, are horrific. Not at all a fan of Donna or any of the Adelsons (please, never!!) but can guess that things are way, way worse for her than they're getting across here. And jails and prisons?? Wow, can't even let my mind go there
You are very right @amynickell7487
Question specifically about her not knowing how to contact other attorneys. Doesn’t the Florida Bar have that information?? Couldn’t she have looked there?? I have questions.
Defense attorney may be setting up an ineffective legal representation appeal.
I'm guessing that in prison/jail, there is a chief doctor over all the staff for psychiatry who basically oversees the other providers. They don't always examine prisoners themselves but review the records and interviews done by their staff. And how many other inmates are on this kind of watch? She is not the only one, meaning Donna A. so it's what happens in the process. DA is probably being treated just like the other inmates. It's not private insurance any longer!
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Thankfully the judge had none of it and came close to saying they were lying 🤥
Come on! You know the jail does what they want to do. What they are supposed to do and what they do are two different things!
Did Donna TRULY think she was going to board that plane and fly away?
Yes. She's the exact type of rich ahole who lives by "rules for thee, not for me". Also kinda funny how she told Charlie to plan the murder and when he's convicted she's nowhere to be found. I laugh at Charlie because imagine being such a spineless excuse of an adult that you end up in prison for life because "mommy gave you an order and you did it" 😂
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Wouldn’t Rashbaum meeting with Donna and Charlie be a conflict? I know she’s not supposed to talk to any co-defendants.
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I actually like it when the jails misbehave a little bit and then the Judge says to them to make sure to follow procedures and policy instead of punishing them. It shows that not all Judges believe in putting the criminal’s rights over the victim’s rights as is set up in the American Justice System.
I hate I missed this live! That said, I used to work in mental health from intensive inpatient (acute care) to outpatient. You'd think that intensive inpatients wouldn't be able to access items to harm themselves. However, in my experience people in "crisis" are extremely resourceful. We had a girl who was on 1:1 observation that was able to extract the screws from her door (which remained open at all times) and used them to harm herself. Things happen.
As always., thanks Peter for all your patient explanations. Watched on replay crew today.
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This case is just wild!!!
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The defense attorney needs to withdraw, it’s clearly out of the scope of her knowledge. This type of matter should have been handled directly with the jail. She can’t expect to get her client better treatment in this manner. At the end of the day the decision to release her to general population is in the hands of the doctors who you have accused of not doing their job. Let’s see how well this blows over.
Imo because they should be asking medical
Thank you for your analysis. Behind-the-scenes evaluation very helpful, evidence, and discovery...
Donna can fight for better conditions when she becomes a permanent resident.
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Yeah what about her son in-law whose life was taken because she wanted to have her way may she have the hardest time in there and dream about him every night
but you see, those were things that happened to someone else... someone she didn't like who stopped her from getting exactly what SHE wanted... she's the real victim here, guys /s. 😂😂
I hope that if Donna gets life like her little baby boy who had to committ murder like mommy told him to gets to regularly update us about how hard it is and how it's so unfair and she just gets an interviewer pulling a Jodi Arias post trial interview and being like "no one likes you or believes you... why do you keep talking".
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Zapp does not have to speak to donna to assess her. She can watch her from outside the cell and even listen to her interactions with other staff. Donna never has to see her.
The process to get visits is different for family and media for 1. Generally if you are in protection unit, given the amount of people in it it can take up to 3 weeks or more to speak with an attorney due to the amount of staffing.
This defense attorney sounds waaaaay too hostile while questioning the chief. It would not go over well with me if I were a juror.
@lawyeryouknow I performed an investigation on a company whose CEO told me how the company operates. However, that was not what I observed going on in practice. So, is it possible that the chief is stating how the jail is supposed to operate but that is not going on in practice?
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It was good Donna hd passionate representation to take her case forward, at same time revealing to the judge all the obstacles to a speedy & fair trial.
30:56 HUGE POINT.
@ Lawyer you know,Peter im listening to the re-play and my question to you is Why not just arrest Wendi/Harvey instead of one by one? Saving the state of Florida lots of money?