The only thing asked when matching up Starkiller vs. Cal is "how long can Cal live before he finds a way to escape?" Because that's the only outcome aside from his death.
@@christopherbull7856he’s stronger but darth vader is definitely better when starkiller took down the ship it put a toll on his body and almost passed out
Well they are totally different games and genres,not to mention villains and antiheroes are always depicted to look stronger and more intimidating in media
Let’s put this in perspective, Cal struggles to fight one rancor that they treat it like this big boss encounter, Galen on the other hand fought rancors casually like common grunts. They’re incomparable
@@Completely_stonedit bothers me you don’t know that force unleashed was canon at its time it wasn’t until Disney came in that they retconned it so starkillers power fit in the universe
Well, if you spend enough time playing, rancors are pretty damn easy to fight in Jedi survivor. Relying on the game to power scale is a bad idea, as it’s… A game. It of course will limit you in different ways and have varying difficulty levels and mechanics depending on the game, and playing and honing those mechanics. Games are made for fun and a specific experience that may not actually reflect the way the story is intended to go in a canon. You can literally wear a mullet with a beard and have a pink poncho with yellow pants while having a lgbtq lightsaber which also doesn’t actually cut through stuff until after at least 2 slashes, and often more.
@@TeenWithACarrotIDK the way the game treats the fight against rancors is context of how challenging it’s supposed to be to someone like Cal. They treat fighting two rancors at once as this extra hard boss you can fight. Rancors aren’t even treated like bosses in Force Unleashed, just a slightly harder enemy you have to fight. It’s not about weather or not the player or cal can get better at fighting rancors over time, it’s about how the game contextualizes the fight and how threatening the rancor should be in context
@@RhineStone46 true, but I think we will have to wait until there’s a confirmed timeline of events for the Jedi games like Force unleashed. If we don’t get that, then we deal with what we got. Idoubt that most Jedi knights and over would have any real difficulty with a rancor less they were stupid or didn’t have a lightsaber on them, which is my base assumption for why the games probably aren’t accurate to the actual difficulty the fights against the rancors offer to cal or Starkiller. Also, survivor is the same game that makes a kx droid with a staff a “boss fight.” It’s more of a problem was Jedi survivor making everything a boss fight. Realistically, I rank cal currently as being able to be considered on a similar level as many Jedi masters, which means as of now, he probably would be as much of, if not a little bit more of a challenge as shaak ti or Kota was. I’m judging based off of force abilities, his proficiency and versatility in saber use, the fact that he can compete with a old republic Jedi master (I know he is possibly slightly weaker but he seems strong enough in the force to not be to deterred by a lost arm) in saber combat and only faltered when Dagan used his peak power (though I do think cals force slow is possibly an innately stronger ability than what Dagan has) and the fact that cal was able to create a force hallucination just like Dagan despite it not being an innate ability to him like it seems to be with Dagan, and despite him using it for the first time, thus proving his versatility and fast learning in force use. I think by the end of the Jedi series, he’ll be a possibly a top 20 or 30 character in canon and possibly a top 100 (or less or more, vague estimate) character if he was in legends.
As much as ive grown to absolutely LOVE Cal, in Starkillers crosshairs, he's getting both scrambled like an egg *and* folded like an omelete simultaneously.
Didn't think about that but that is also very true. I don't think it really matters that much with the difference in raw power and skill, but another nail in the coffin I suppose.
True but it’s the power that does it technically that training is in the inquisitors too and they can’t do it it’s just he has the power to act on the training
@@MrJoester19 Skill is also a major factor. The Inquisitors I doubt were as thoroughly trained as Starkiller. Inquisitors we’re deployed in numbers whereas Starkiller was sent alone to take out his targets.
@@codyconnor6981 oh yeah they were a group not one person of course they didn’t get trained as thoroughly and they all hated each other including Vader which is kind of part of the training but still I’m just saying the core concepts of their Jedi takedown skills pretty similar and both very effective one just way more than the lol you can’t effectively do that skill if you’re not more powerful than the Jedi you’re hunting was my point
Yep completely disregard his natural strength of force his skill in using lightsabers and how honed his use of it is it's not hard to see cal would be lucky to last a few minutes against the relentless force starkiller is
One thing I don't understand about the star destroyer getting pulled down feat. Everyone just takes into account. The weight and size of the craft and not the fact that its engines are also actively working to keep it up directly contesting against his power as well, he pulled that weight and overpowered the ship's engines.
Size matters not. Is the saying that usually comes to mind. I mean look at what some of the old Sith Lords were doing, if they ever make that cannon again, which I don’t think they will? And if they do, they might nerf that too. But. that’s nothing to what Luke did, from what I hear, he literally made a black hole explode in upon itself. I don’t know, I’d say star killer pulling down the star destroyer is pretty minimal compared to what Luke displayed right there. And star killer is one of my favorite characters of all time. So I don’t say that lightly.
If engines werent working - the ship wouldve crashed down on its own, so its weight is actually helping Galen, its the engine’s power he is pulling against
God damn I miss Starkiller. I love Cal, but it's so limiting being on the light side. Starkiller's force abilities were WAYYYY more fun to use. Not just the lightning and force choke. Starkiller could throw a tie-fighter and pull down a star destroyer. Cal can barely lift regular combatants.
Idk man, Cal has lifted groups of enemies in Jedi Survivor. Also crushes droids when he pulls them with the Force. So while not *super* powerful per se, I'd say he's around the level of Anakin during Attack of the Clones right now. With obviously a lot more fight IQ 0.O
Exactly no one is topping that anytime soon. He actually defeated Darth Vader twice in his games. He only defeated the emperor because the emperor lost his lightsaber. If he kept it would of been different
Except the star destroyer was already going down he just redirected it (still a good feat, but one the most people get wrong). It put massive strain on his body and he was nearing passing out.
@@PaladinThizzdon’t remember which trailer it was or which cinematic but when Starkiller does the force version of what is basically chaos blast and all the stormtroopers just disintegrate that shit was visceral. Ain’t no way cal is winning
Even with removing Starkiller's overpowered force abilities (lets just go with nerfing them to more standard power levels), he'd still have a high advantage against Cal due to their respective training. Cal never got to complete his Padawan training because of Order 66 and the death of his Jedi Master, whereas Galen was trained for most of his life by Vader under some very harsh Sith training methods (even having PROXY frequently attack him with the combat profiles of several Jedi Masters). While Cal did manage to adapt to the times and grew to become a seasoned survivor, Starkiller was forged into a lethal weapon from day 1 and not even turning towards the Light Side kept Galen from his destructive potential.
I'm going to bring this up whenever I can just because it's really cool. Starkiller's force repulse disintegrating people in-game is actually the censored version. In the audio novel of the force unleashed 2, when Starkiller is fighting the clones on Kamino (during the Darth Vader fight), he uses force repulse and it describes the aftermath of the air being a blood red mist and smelling like corpses.
@@ThatJaMzGuy Force users train to have a barrier around them to resist Force powers during encounters. That is why you don't see many Force using during duels.
The gameplay mechanics speaks for itself, as StarKiller is mostly used to take out entire ARMIES by himself with ease, along with the strongest of individual force users. While Cal is used to take out small groups or to only get by strong force users until he becomes just strong enough to rival them. But even with Cal’s versatility, his feats don’t even come close to StarKillers, on and off screen.
Even if the difference in power scaling wasn't so drastic, there's also still the fact that basically all of Starkillers training boils down to letting him fight other force users. Additionally, he basically spent his entire life either training or using what he learned in combat. Cal on the other hand had his training cut short by Order 66 and he then went into hiding for several years, lacking a teacher until he met Cere. Whilst Cal was keeping a low profile, Starkiller was cheerfully climbing over mountains of corpses left by the imperial armies elite.
I love how the thumbnail says "Will Cal survive" my first thoughts too. There's a reason star killer hasn't been brought into the Canon. If he was, he could solve all the problems in the galaxy before they even popped off. And thats him as what I'd assume, is a night. Can you imagine GRAND MASTER Star killer? Dude would be throwing battle cruisers left and right
@@marcellburton9349 Starkiller in legends is what I imagine a fully intact anakin using the darkside would be like. That being said, the dude also went toe to toe fairly easily againest vader many times
Just saying that Galen (Starkiller) was planned to be canon before Disney took over so it was scrapped. Btw, did you do Sith master? It took me 4 hours in my VERY best speed run.
In Legends, Force Users were capable of great feats (Starkiller pulls a Star Destroyer down out of the sky, Mace Windu wipes out a Super Battle Droid army with his fists, Yoda defends Ilum from an army of droids and defends one of the front lines on the battle of Coruscant almost by himself) In Disney canon, they just seem so weak. They barely use the Force, and when they do, the best they can manage is Force pushing someone a few feet away.
Palpatine's Clone in the Dark Empire basically doesn't need a Death Star anymore and can destroy planets with a Force Storm. The EU really went hard on nothing being a match to the force.
As soon as you referred to Starkiller as the Broly of the Star Wars universe, you immediately got a like from me. Literally both of my favorite characters from each series
Honestly? I think the biggest mark in Galen's favor isn't all of his skills, it's that Cal NEVER displays an aptitude for Tutemenis or being able to withstand large voltages, and Galen's go-to maneuver is Force Lightning. He'll use that first, most often, and he is EXCEPTIONALLY skilled with it. Lacking an answer to that, Cal would get wounded or at the very least winded quickly, giving Galen more than enough openings to take advantage with his exceptional speed, force powers or melee repertoire.
@@FirestoneAnimationThis is starkiller we talking about. The guy who spent most his life who went through some of the most grueling training under Vader himself.
@@AZDfoxthere is no boost that he could get that would put him in the realm of starkiller without darth vader intervening and inevitable killing him because that much power would legitimately threaten the emperor himself
Regardless of how i feel Cal is outmatched, I'm happy to have found a new character to appreciate that's on par in my heartfelt regards to not just Starkiller but also Revan and Kyle Katarn, all Jedi I adored in my childhood. Cal joined a roster that's hard to live up to.
A really awesome 3rd game idea would bring Galen into it at first as an enemy then turns and you can fight with both Cal and Galen individually. The timelines match up in a lot of ways. Vader just recovering after his fight with Cere then this takes place. Could be pretty awesome.
gotta be honest tho, I like Cals unique force ability, being able to slow down time, i wish they had that ability in Survivor instead of just having it be his ultimate ability, but thats something ill always love about the games.
In force unleashed 2 I believe some of your force powers disintegrate your enemy's when they are upgraded,cal might be able to kill you with a force push but starkiller will atomize you with one
@@supergoodadvice853 When focusing or unconsciously? Which many situations did this happen and why did it happen to shut off the mind? Haven't seen the game honestly but not gonna see it yet anytime soon since I'm busy with other issues. Just curious.
Galen can also cast sith seeker a move even stated by Palpatine to be extremely dangerous not only to the opponent but to the caster themselves if not properly executed
Starkiller was designed to be a grenade you throw at an enemy and feel over power, cal is designed to be dark soul game where every win feels like an great achievement with the boss
Yeah, that's pretty much the conclusion I was guessing it'd be. Without over/underselling each character, once you start looking at what they've actually managed to do, Cal's simply outclassed.
One thing that wasn’t said in this video is that Starkiller also had the rare ability to channel the force through his lightsaber, while we kind of saw this in Survivor with the fight against Bode, Starkiller can take it to a new level entirely.
@@SauceyFredo most definitely and that was mentioned. Unfortunately though, his strength in the force is what ultimately defines its effectiveness, so against another force sensitive like Starkiller it would have no effect.
I think if they were ever going to bring star killer back, it should be In Cal’s third game. It would never be a fight that he could win, but wouldn’t it be awesome to see those two interact?
The only way I can see this become reality 100% for sure is composite Star Wars (everything canon and maybe some event re adapted) and I think if they have to meet they would fight at first(obviously Galen doesn’t go all out from the get go,like gauging cal power for how much he needs to output to put him to sleep) when they realize that they can be ally’s and maybe they can help each other with stuff that they don’t have like:Galen can help cal to have a better grasp and control over his dark side and help him refine his combat a bit,while cal can teach Galen some counters for those lightsaber styles that he uses,some force tricks and giving him some Jedi history lessons
honestly wouldnt want Starkiller to be canon. They'd tone down his character and nerf him to the ground. They'd probably make him lose to some guy with a blaster
they wouldnt though, because cal would never get away, starkiller is the strongest character in the star wars universe and has never once let someone escape a live, I mean he even killed himself lol
What I like about Cal is that he's the underdog, similar to characters from other franchises like Star-Lord or Hawkeye. He isn't the toughest or the fastest, but always manages to pull through, and makes it look as badass as possible. He's the definition of slow and steady wins the race. And you could argue that he has far more willpower than most very powerful Jedi. Hell his entire rogues gallery is a testiment to that fact. Dagan was the worst of them, being one of the best Jedi of his time yet falling to the dark side due to his pride alone. He wasn't even thinking about his dead fellow Jedi prior to his turning.
@@Castigar48 both physically, stronger and faster than his legends counterpart his legends suit restricted him much much more than the cannon suit i’m not talking about force powers, which they should be roughly equal should’ve made it clear I was not talking about the force powers
@Lord Tyranus agreed, he did say he'd love to return as the character on the insideofyou podcast a few weeks back but honestly the way star wars has been going under Disney I think it's just not time to see him yet and they'd have to massively under power him or keep him the same but show what he's doing after the 2nd game
@@anarki1177 what has she done to show she is even close to him , stop overhyping Ashoka . She’s a great character one of my favorites but she hasn’t done anything to show she’s near as powerful as Galen . Maybe her saber skills cause they’re great but her force feats just DO NOT match Galen’s at all really.
Love what you put together, I do hope Cal gets at least one more game to show even more progress. While I agree with you wholeheartedly, the biggest factor is in the training. Starkiller was trained by Vader day 1. Cal was learning, but had to run and no longer used his powers for 5 years. I think he is ramping up...although I doubt they would let Cal ever beat Vader tbh.
Would love to see Kyle Katarn or Din Djarin paired up with an opponent in a matchup someday lol. I’m surprised no one has had a Mando v Boba v Jango three way matchup yet
Din would get bodied by most Mandolorians during the clone era. His only redeeming factor is his durability but his battle prowess is just lacking in most regards
@@CRISIS_COMICS He's likely referring to his fight against Darth Caedus, who was stated to be more powerful than Vader in the Force. The only reason Kyle lost that fight was due to Caedus' desperation tactics, he chucked a speeder at him and then stabbed him through the gut. Though Kyle did fight on a battlefield for another good 2 hours after this without medical attention. Man was as tenacious as they come.
Something funny about TFU games is that both entries were released like the movies, what I mean was the main entry (Movies and Game), then complementary entries (Comics and Novels) narrating the same story from a different POV.
Spoilers for Jedi Survivor One thing that I noticed that’s pretty interesting is that star killer in the force unleashed starts off as a Sith but later on down the line slowly taps into the light, Cal starts off as a Jedi, but later on down the line slowly taps into the Dark As George Lucas said “ it’s like poetry, it rhymes”
The starkiller in force unleashed 2 was heavily implied to be the actual starkiller. The novels practically even say he's not a clone. The darkside ending wasn't canon as they planned a 3rd game about the lighside ending where they would comfirm he wasn't a clone. Also it's also implied Vader was trying to convince him he was a clone to better control him and break his will. There's a lot of stuff that basically implies he's not a clone. Other than that great video!
This is the first time someone said in the force unleashed 2 starkiller wasn't a clone. Because, everyone really think he was a clone but not me. My theory was when he died in the force unleashed 1, he was just unconscious or maybe vader somehow revived him and when he woke up vader told him he was a clone. This is my theory man, I am glad someone else believes starkiller was not a clone in the force unleashed 2.
Galen is my second favorite Jedi in any canon or legends continuity, man. I grew up abused (not that bad and not with magical powers, granted,) and the fact that he flipped the "Jedi falls to selfishness" into "Sith ascends to Hero" is a feat not often replicated, but highly worth respecting.
I don't even get how this is a video idea in the first place, we already seen how Cal faced off against Vader. Maybe if it was a early/training Starkiller it could work? But even then..
@@bcgazero6472 huge time skip wouldnt solve the lack of having a master, compared to starkillers master being vader who was the most powerful in the universe before starkiller, he then went on to kill 3 jedi masters, defeating vader twice and darth maul. cal defeated a gen dai, a high republic fallen jedi but only due to the help of BD-1 and bode, and then killed bode who is a weak force user with padawan or low knight levels of training at best, not to mention he was helped by merin in the majority of the fight, I love cal and really enjoyed both games however he would never be capable of defeating star killer, and aswell as that so long as darth vader is a life star killer will simply be remade
@@kodiwtf I mean,maybe he can still resort to yoda,he still wouldnt be nearly as strong as starkiller because he has restraint,starkiller even as a jedi would crush whoever the fuck is against him with the dark side
@@bcgazero6472 though i wouldn’t be surprised if in the third game he chooses to get rid of his restraint, I mean he has started to already buy killing all of his opponents in the 2nd game, he was reluctant too but still did it.
This it the way I view this: Galen / Starkiller is obviously way more powerful in terms of raw power and combat ability. It's not even close. He's therefore very enjoyable to playa as a combat-orientated character. What makes Cal awesome is that he is *not* the strongest in terms of anything that he does, but he strives and fights anyway. In some ways, it makes him even more of a hero.
SK was trained by Darth Vader to be his apprentice and help him defeat the emperor. If you compare the way Vader trainned the Inquisitors and SK there will be a huge difference as he only cared for the latter and was forced to train the former.
This has got to be a joke? Starkiller defeats Darth Vader and nearly the emperor in back to back fights. Cal sees Vader as a completely unfathomable force. Cal gets wrecked in a split second against my boy starkiller.
@@CRISIS_COMICS "While this match up may seem one sided to some there is more to meets the eyes." is what i was joking about. In other vs. match up vids this is usually a precursor to saying the fight isn't quite as one sided as some may think.
@@sithmaster4305 That was to address people who might assume Cal is fodder when he’s actually been buffed heavily by Survivor, as well as Legends mid-tiers being >>>>> canon high tiers. There’s nuance and it isn’t as simple as many ppls preconceptions about it being one sided; not to say it isn’t one sided tho.
Not to get off topic but the high republic stuff really is a turn off. "Greatest jedi who ever lived" sounds like it came straight from the lamest elementary school fan fiction. Back to topic, I would be disappointed if Cal was made out to be OP by Jedi standards. His is an underdog story through and through while Starkiller's is a story about a monster's redemption or lack thereof.
I think Kal is implied to be a solid Jedi, probably on the level of Kenobi or Qui Gon. Near the council members in power, but not quite. (Kenobi was in because of all the others that died lol)
Cal Ketis reminds me of Obi-wan, was never a stand out as a padawan, and had to rely on training, dedication and trust in the force to become one of the most exceptional jedi
I have Star Killer at Large Star Level via upscaling from sith of old. Also basically every legends character annihilates there canon counter part. Legends output of raw energy is insane. This was a great vid, pls do more Star Wars content.
I think when it comes to Starkiller, his first incarnation is what we can expect to compare Cal against. Strong in the Force, master of the saber, but nevertheless, he was but a man. He mastered many abilities, and had a deep intuitive understanding of the Force, allowing him to accomplish feats like moving the Star Destroyer. I believe that the Star Destroyer feat is a direct reference to what Yoda says to Luke in Empire Strikes Back: it doesn't matter for the Force whether you're lifting a pebble or a starship. The only limitation is within your mind. So I believe that measuring kilotons of power required to accomplish it is entirely irrelevant. Also, speaking of speed, neither forceuser can move at the speed of light, that's ridiculous. Even IF blaster bolts are lasers and not the magnetically accelerated Tibanna gas plasma bolts they've always been in the Star Wars lore, deflecting them does not mean moving faster than the speed of light. It means having precognition abilities to know where the bolt is going to be aimed. Anyway, regarding Starkiller from TFU 2, he's an entirely different beast. After going through several clone bodies and undergoing Vader's gruelling training regiments, as well as after the direct confrontation with Palpatine (which, BTW, I don't believe was in any way him holding back - the Emperor was well past his prime there), Starkiller has forged such a strong bond with the Force, he had become almost a destructive incarnate of the Force itself. His human side drove him to Juno and allowed him to stay somewhat sane, while his Force side was disintegrating hordes of enemies and tearing Star Destroyers in half.
@mattmetawolf8634 Still doesn't negate the rule of two, which Vader still upheld. Like Maul, he was a weapon for the Sith. If their masters(Sidious & Vader) succeed, then yeah, but they didn't. Which rendered their apprentices to be nothing more than a weapon. Even if Galen became a dark lord, Vader would've killed him to replace him with Luke (like he tried in the movie).
@mattmetawolf8634 Meaning Galen was not a Sith but still had to be taken down. During Legends continuity, the closest thing he could've been was a Shadow Guard. Also, Sidious was paranoid and figured Galen was kept secret for a reason, so he had to go.
@mattmetawolf8634 Never compared him to them, I said he'd fit those roles (had Sidious knew of him prior). Still couldn't dispute my claim of Vader upholding the rule of two. He had a vision for Galen, but once it was discovered, he had to change things around. Then lied to Galen and betrayed him a second time. Galen was destined for greatness but would never live to see it. Regardless, we'll agree to disagree.
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The only thing asked when matching up Starkiller vs. Cal is "how long can Cal live before he finds a way to escape?" Because that's the only outcome aside from his death.
Cal kestis choices:
1) RUN CAL RUN ! 🏃♂️ (hold long enough to find a way to scape this BEAST)
2) Get *Atomized* 💣💥 (ESCAPE TOTALLY PAINFUL DEATH)
If he can Starkiller is stronger than Vader who he can’t do anything to.
@@christopherbull7856he’s stronger but darth vader is definitely better when starkiller took down the ship it put a toll on his body and almost passed out
More like, is Starkiller gonna need a clone to help him fight Cal?
@@gabrielliu152 Nope, he won't. Just the feats from his first game puts him way above Cal.
Putting Cal in Galen's crosshairs is a cruel move.
You know, be sick if cal n galen links up together to stop the empire or cal learn some ability from galen
“Master Marek there’s too many of them what do we do?”
@@BrendenLeavy-i4x "clown on them with force lightning"
Never underestimate Cal. Dagan Gera made that mistake.
Man it's not even close at all
Not once in either Fallen Order or Jedi Survivor have I ever felt as POWERFUL as I did when playing as Starkiller.
Well they are totally different games and genres,not to mention villains and antiheroes are always depicted to look stronger and more intimidating in media
@@casualcookin3893 yeah and one pulled down a star destroyer and the other didn't
@@kplayzxp2376 Its exactly the same thing i said but more specific
Honestly the force is potrayed more in cannon in Jedi fallen order the force unleashed was too over the top love it still
@@Quet723no it wasn’t , the force has unlimited potential
Let’s put this in perspective, Cal struggles to fight one rancor that they treat it like this big boss encounter, Galen on the other hand fought rancors casually like common grunts. They’re incomparable
@@Completely_stonedit bothers me you don’t know that force unleashed was canon at its time it wasn’t until Disney came in that they retconned it so starkillers power fit in the universe
@@jordiw913 same brother. also to me Starkiller is still canon.
Well, if you spend enough time playing, rancors are pretty damn easy to fight in Jedi survivor.
Relying on the game to power scale is a bad idea, as it’s… A game. It of course will limit you in different ways and have varying difficulty levels and mechanics depending on the game, and playing and honing those mechanics. Games are made for fun and a specific experience that may not actually reflect the way the story is intended to go in a canon.
You can literally wear a mullet with a beard and have a pink poncho with yellow pants while having a lgbtq lightsaber which also doesn’t actually cut through stuff until after at least 2 slashes, and often more.
@@TeenWithACarrotIDK the way the game treats the fight against rancors is context of how challenging it’s supposed to be to someone like Cal. They treat fighting two rancors at once as this extra hard boss you can fight. Rancors aren’t even treated like bosses in Force Unleashed, just a slightly harder enemy you have to fight. It’s not about weather or not the player or cal can get better at fighting rancors over time, it’s about how the game contextualizes the fight and how threatening the rancor should be in context
@@RhineStone46 true, but I think we will have to wait until there’s a confirmed timeline of events for the Jedi games like Force unleashed. If we don’t get that, then we deal with what we got. Idoubt that most Jedi knights and over would have any real difficulty with a rancor less they were stupid or didn’t have a lightsaber on them, which is my base assumption for why the games probably aren’t accurate to the actual difficulty the fights against the rancors offer to cal or Starkiller.
Also, survivor is the same game that makes a kx droid with a staff a “boss fight.” It’s more of a problem was Jedi survivor making everything a boss fight.
Realistically, I rank cal currently as being able to be considered on a similar level as many Jedi masters, which means as of now, he probably would be as much of, if not a little bit more of a challenge as shaak ti or Kota was. I’m judging based off of force abilities, his proficiency and versatility in saber use, the fact that he can compete with a old republic Jedi master (I know he is possibly slightly weaker but he seems strong enough in the force to not be to deterred by a lost arm) in saber combat and only faltered when Dagan used his peak power (though I do think cals force slow is possibly an innately stronger ability than what Dagan has) and the fact that cal was able to create a force hallucination just like Dagan despite it not being an innate ability to him like it seems to be with Dagan, and despite him using it for the first time, thus proving his versatility and fast learning in force use.
I think by the end of the Jedi series, he’ll be a possibly a top 20 or 30 character in canon and possibly a top 100 (or less or more, vague estimate) character if he was in legends.
As much as ive grown to absolutely LOVE Cal, in Starkillers crosshairs, he's getting both scrambled like an egg *and* folded like an omelete simultaneously.
Let’s also not forget that Cal is very much the kind of Jedi Starkiller was trained to take down.
Didn't think about that but that is also very true. I don't think it really matters that much with the difference in raw power and skill, but another nail in the coffin I suppose.
True but it’s the power that does it technically that training is in the inquisitors too and they can’t do it it’s just he has the power to act on the training
@@MrJoester19 Skill is also a major factor. The Inquisitors I doubt were as thoroughly trained as Starkiller. Inquisitors we’re deployed in numbers whereas Starkiller was sent alone to take out his targets.
@@codyconnor6981 oh yeah they were a group not one person of course they didn’t get trained as thoroughly and they all hated each other including Vader which is kind of part of the training but still I’m just saying the core concepts of their Jedi takedown skills pretty similar and both very effective one just way more than the lol you can’t effectively do that skill if you’re not more powerful than the Jedi you’re hunting was my point
Yep completely disregard his natural strength of force his skill in using lightsabers and how honed his use of it is it's not hard to see cal would be lucky to last a few minutes against the relentless force starkiller is
Cal utilzies the Force like a tool and a performance enhancer.
Galen Marek UNLEASHES the Force.
Best nd most simplest explanation, but that’s what sith are trained to do, they are taught to exploit the force, jedi are taught to balance the force
Lmfao that’s a great pun
Cals starting to turn sith so maybe the third game he’ll use the force more
Exactly. That’s why my favorite part of Force Unleashed is when Galen says “it’s unleashin’ time” and then he unleashes the force.
Galen uses the force for like everything, Jedi use it to enhance themselves and for non violent reasons, Galen uses it to interact with the world.
I love Cal, he's now in my top 3 Jedi, which is why after this fight I'll be there to help plan the funeral.
I agree
LMAOOOO
No casket needed lmao
Got me dead wich this one
i don't like cal. i'll be with my boy Galen having a laugh about the jedi that didn't even had a robe.
One thing I don't understand about the star destroyer getting pulled down feat. Everyone just takes into account. The weight and size of the craft and not the fact that its engines are also actively working to keep it up directly contesting against his power as well, he pulled that weight and overpowered the ship's engines.
Size matters not. Is the saying that usually comes to mind. I mean look at what some of the old Sith Lords were doing, if they ever make that cannon again, which I don’t think they will? And if they do, they might nerf that too. But. that’s nothing to what Luke did, from what I hear, he literally made a black hole explode in upon itself. I don’t know, I’d say star killer pulling down the star destroyer is pretty minimal compared to what Luke displayed right there.
And star killer is one of my favorite characters of all time. So I don’t say that lightly.
He didn't pull it down, it was already crashing. Still very impressive, but all he did was redirect.
If we're getting specific, gravity helped. But yeah, Starkiller walks away every time, Cal doesn't. Every time.
If engines werent working - the ship wouldve crashed down on its own, so its weight is actually helping Galen, its the engine’s power he is pulling against
@@konnorrose3652 they just made Darth nihlus canon so...
Can we all just admit they should make a new Starkiller game?
The force unleashed 3
I mean, they already add new Legends stuff to Old Republic, so why not add even more?
They should just reboot it and make it cannon again
Remake the force unleashed games 🗣🗣
i rether not... at least not untill SW is free from disney. they would probably fuck our boy Galen,
God damn I miss Starkiller. I love Cal, but it's so limiting being on the light side. Starkiller's force abilities were WAYYYY more fun to use. Not just the lightning and force choke. Starkiller could throw a tie-fighter and pull down a star destroyer. Cal can barely lift regular combatants.
Idk man, Cal has lifted groups of enemies in Jedi Survivor. Also crushes droids when he pulls them with the Force. So while not *super* powerful per se, I'd say he's around the level of Anakin during Attack of the Clones right now. With obviously a lot more fight IQ 0.O
@@thedutchwolf97 Nah bro, i need to force choke someone right now. Bring back Galen! lol
I'm really hoping we see Cal use more dark side abilities in the next game. I'm glad they're even toying with it in Survivor.
@@thedutchwolf97 wouldn’t even give him that. Maybe ventress level
@@thedutchwolf97 to be fair he has to tap into his darkness to crush people and he can only do it to droids
I love Cal and Jedi Survivor really made him into one of my favorite characters in the new canon but even high balling him he isn’t scaling to Galen
if he doesnt then the only reason we beat galen is plot. which is stupid
This. Galen was literally trained to hunt Jedi. He legit beat a jedi master as well. This is a mismatch
I was just about to comment something like this. I love Cal, but Galen is crushing him by a lot.
let's not forget Galen takes down both Vader and Sidious, at the same time....Nothing really scales to that other than Legends Master Luke.
let's not forget Galen takes down both Vader and Sidious, at the same time....Nothing really scales to that other than Legends Master Luke.
Starkiller: *pulls down star destroyer*
Cal: understandable, have a nice day
Exactly no one is topping that anytime soon. He actually defeated Darth Vader twice in his games. He only defeated the emperor because the emperor lost his lightsaber. If he kept it would of been different
@@christopherbull7856 Nah, Palps wouldn't be able to keep up with Starkiller even with a lightsaber.
Actually he doesn’t stand a chance since the emperor easily overpowered. This is shown in the first game if u kill Darth Vader.
@@christopherbull7856 Yes, that's called a sneak attack, if Starkiller was fighting Sidious with zero distractions, he would win, lightsaber or not.
Except the star destroyer was already going down he just redirected it (still a good feat, but one the most people get wrong). It put massive strain on his body and he was nearing passing out.
20 minutes to explain Starkiller stomps the dog shit out of Cal.
Cal at the end of Jedi Survivor is like Galen at the start of Force Unleashed. It's not even fair.
He's nowhere near powerful enough
@@PaladinThizzdon’t remember which trailer it was or which cinematic but when Starkiller does the force version of what is basically chaos blast and all the stormtroopers just disintegrate that shit was visceral. Ain’t no way cal is winning
Even with removing Starkiller's overpowered force abilities (lets just go with nerfing them to more standard power levels), he'd still have a high advantage against Cal due to their respective training.
Cal never got to complete his Padawan training because of Order 66 and the death of his Jedi Master, whereas Galen was trained for most of his life by Vader under some very harsh Sith training methods (even having PROXY frequently attack him with the combat profiles of several Jedi Masters).
While Cal did manage to adapt to the times and grew to become a seasoned survivor, Starkiller was forged into a lethal weapon from day 1 and not even turning towards the Light Side kept Galen from his destructive potential.
Amen
Can't forget the fact that Galen was 17 in the first Force Unleased game
Well galen doesnt have a poncho so idk
@@Thesneakyassassin fax. Mans was like the xxxtentacion of the force lmfao
“Master Marek there’s too many of them what do we do?”
I'm going to bring this up whenever I can just because it's really cool.
Starkiller's force repulse disintegrating people in-game is actually the censored version. In the audio novel of the force unleashed 2, when Starkiller is fighting the clones on Kamino (during the Darth Vader fight), he uses force repulse and it describes the aftermath of the air being a blood red mist and smelling like corpses.
TFU ones book also had a bit when got eaten by a ramcor he basically blew it up. When Juno saw him after this he was caked in blood
ooof thats badass and savage, man thanks for telling me this,
Starkiller beats Cal 10/10 times, no contest. Agreed on your points of legends vs canon. Great video!
I mean. Legends characters are basically gods at even mid end.
Cals force slow from Survivor changes the discussion tbh
@@ThatJaMzGuy Not even in the slightest
@@ThatJaMzGuy it really doesn't
@@ThatJaMzGuy Force users train to have a barrier around them to resist Force powers during encounters. That is why you don't see many Force using during duels.
The gameplay mechanics speaks for itself, as StarKiller is mostly used to take out entire ARMIES by himself with ease, along with the strongest of individual force users. While Cal is used to take out small groups or to only get by strong force users until he becomes just strong enough to rival them. But even with Cal’s versatility, his feats don’t even come close to StarKillers, on and off screen.
Even if the difference in power scaling wasn't so drastic, there's also still the fact that basically all of Starkillers training boils down to letting him fight other force users. Additionally, he basically spent his entire life either training or using what he learned in combat.
Cal on the other hand had his training cut short by Order 66 and he then went into hiding for several years, lacking a teacher until he met Cere.
Whilst Cal was keeping a low profile, Starkiller was cheerfully climbing over mountains of corpses left by the imperial armies elite.
I love how the thumbnail says "Will Cal survive" my first thoughts too. There's a reason star killer hasn't been brought into the Canon. If he was, he could solve all the problems in the galaxy before they even popped off. And thats him as what I'd assume, is a night. Can you imagine GRAND MASTER Star killer? Dude would be throwing battle cruisers left and right
Good that he is not cannon
Starkiller is like Anakin
@@marcellburton9349 Starkiller in legends is what I imagine a fully intact anakin using the darkside would be like. That being said, the dude also went toe to toe fairly easily againest vader many times
Just saying that Galen (Starkiller) was planned to be canon before Disney took over so it was scrapped. Btw, did you do Sith master? It took me 4 hours in my VERY best speed run.
@@khotunkhan3950 George Lucas considered starkiller canon, so :)
In Legends, Force Users were capable of great feats (Starkiller pulls a Star Destroyer down out of the sky, Mace Windu wipes out a Super Battle Droid army with his fists, Yoda defends Ilum from an army of droids and defends one of the front lines on the battle of Coruscant almost by himself)
In Disney canon, they just seem so weak. They barely use the Force, and when they do, the best they can manage is Force pushing someone a few feet away.
Can't forget surfing a nebulous b into a cloning center on kamino
Palpatine's Clone in the Dark Empire basically doesn't need a Death Star anymore and can destroy planets with a Force Storm. The EU really went hard on nothing being a match to the force.
@@l0rf the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force after all!
@@TGPDrunknHick I find your abundance of faith reassuring.
You’re talking about they most exceptional of force users vs average or below average ones
I love Cal but Galen is a whole entirely different monster
Starkiller is the monster that hides under Vader's bed.
As soon as you referred to Starkiller as the Broly of the Star Wars universe, you immediately got a like from me. Literally both of my favorite characters from each series
Lol broly and starkiller are absolute powerhouses in their own verses
Putting starkiller and cal in the same room would be like that time mike tyson shouts at the reporter
Honestly? I think the biggest mark in Galen's favor isn't all of his skills, it's that Cal NEVER displays an aptitude for Tutemenis or being able to withstand large voltages, and Galen's go-to maneuver is Force Lightning. He'll use that first, most often, and he is EXCEPTIONALLY skilled with it. Lacking an answer to that, Cal would get wounded or at the very least winded quickly, giving Galen more than enough openings to take advantage with his exceptional speed, force powers or melee repertoire.
Maybe the third game will give him the boost he needs
@@AZDfox not likely
@@MeltyZombieMore possibly.
@@FirestoneAnimationThis is starkiller we talking about. The guy who spent most his life who went through some of the most grueling training under Vader himself.
@@AZDfoxthere is no boost that he could get that would put him in the realm of starkiller without darth vader intervening and inevitable killing him because that much power would legitimately threaten the emperor himself
Regardless of how i feel Cal is outmatched, I'm happy to have found a new character to appreciate that's on par in my heartfelt regards to not just Starkiller but also Revan and Kyle Katarn, all Jedi I adored in my childhood. Cal joined a roster that's hard to live up to.
I love how the title is “Who wins?” but the thumbnail is “Can Cal Survive?”
A really awesome 3rd game idea would bring Galen into it at first as an enemy then turns and you can fight with both Cal and Galen individually. The timelines match up in a lot of ways. Vader just recovering after his fight with Cere then this takes place. Could be pretty awesome.
gotta be honest tho, I like Cals unique force ability, being able to slow down time, i wish they had that ability in Survivor instead of just having it be his ultimate ability, but thats something ill always love about the games.
In force unleashed 2 I believe some of your force powers disintegrate your enemy's when they are upgraded,cal might be able to kill you with a force push but starkiller will atomize you with one
Force repulse basically makes him a force bomb.
If you use confuse while in the embrace the darkness state you can instakill the storm troopers
@@TonyJaaFan1587This isn't talked about enough- Cal has the potential to instantly shut off the minds of people.
@@supergoodadvice853
When focusing or unconsciously? Which many situations did this happen and why did it happen to shut off the mind? Haven't seen the game honestly but not gonna see it yet anytime soon since I'm busy with other issues. Just curious.
Doesn't Starkiller have the ability to "Unleash" the force in a deadly sphere shaped explosion?
Galen can also cast sith seeker a move even stated by Palpatine to be extremely dangerous not only to the opponent but to the caster themselves if not properly executed
Starkiller was designed to be a grenade you throw at an enemy and feel over power, cal is designed to be dark soul game where every win feels like an great achievement with the boss
Very good breakdown. Can't argue with your analysis of this one. WELL DONE!
Yeah, that's pretty much the conclusion I was guessing it'd be. Without over/underselling each character, once you start looking at what they've actually managed to do, Cal's simply outclassed.
One thing that wasn’t said in this video is that Starkiller also had the rare ability to channel the force through his lightsaber, while we kind of saw this in Survivor with the fight against Bode, Starkiller can take it to a new level entirely.
Hey Cal has some rare abilities as well. The force freeze being one of them.
That's more of a rare technique than it is an ability. I refer to kotors skill trees
@@SauceyFredo most definitely and that was mentioned. Unfortunately though, his strength in the force is what ultimately defines its effectiveness, so against another force sensitive like Starkiller it would have no effect.
@@_JOMOMA oh yeah i don’t think cal can win but I do think he could get out alive
@@SauceyFredo Galen invented an ability that disintegrates people on impact.
let us just take a moment to appreciate the actors who these iconic Star Wars characters are playing
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Yeh who are they?
I think if they were ever going to bring star killer back, it should be In Cal’s third game. It would never be a fight that he could win, but wouldn’t it be awesome to see those two interact?
Imagine starkiller's creative application for using his raw power. It'd be like Kratos fighting Atreus
The only way I can see this become reality 100% for sure is composite Star Wars (everything canon and maybe some event re adapted) and I think if they have to meet they would fight at first(obviously Galen doesn’t go all out from the get go,like gauging cal power for how much he needs to output to put him to sleep) when they realize that they can be ally’s and maybe they can help each other with stuff that they don’t have like:Galen can help cal to have a better grasp and control over his dark side and help him refine his combat a bit,while cal can teach Galen some counters for those lightsaber styles that he uses,some force tricks and giving him some Jedi history lessons
Imagine Starkiller teaching Cal some of his shit. now we get to pull down two SDs
honestly wouldnt want Starkiller to be canon. They'd tone down his character and nerf him to the ground. They'd probably make him lose to some guy with a blaster
they wouldnt though, because cal would never get away, starkiller is the strongest character in the star wars universe and has never once let someone escape a live, I mean he even killed himself lol
What I like about Cal is that he's the underdog, similar to characters from other franchises like Star-Lord or Hawkeye. He isn't the toughest or the fastest, but always manages to pull through, and makes it look as badass as possible. He's the definition of slow and steady wins the race. And you could argue that he has far more willpower than most very powerful Jedi. Hell his entire rogues gallery is a testiment to that fact. Dagan was the worst of them, being one of the best Jedi of his time yet falling to the dark side due to his pride alone. He wasn't even thinking about his dead fellow Jedi prior to his turning.
I agree.
Thats funny lol! Did you just say Cal vs Starkiller!
Don't get me wrong im rockin wit masta kestis HEAVILYYYYY. But theres actually no chance he beating starkiller even on a bad day my guy
Starkiller: “You ran away from Vader? Must be lucky. I, though, bested him.”
Vader was holding back
@@frostbite2179 what?
@@Castigar48 both physically, stronger and faster than his legends counterpart his legends suit restricted him much much more than the cannon suit i’m not talking about force powers, which they should be roughly equal should’ve made it clear I was not talking about the force powers
@frost bite starkiller will still have some advantages like force lightning, more agility quickness athleticism flexibility ect
@@frostbite2179 thats a lie like where do you get that disney vader is stronger than legends? do you even have a calc to prove he's faster?
The nostalgia that that this vid brings. You just feel so powerful when playing as star killer.
I would love to see a video like this of Starkiller vs Darth nihilus
The real answer is whatever game I'm currently playing.
This man wins
In the third game, Cal will fight Galen who is the most powerful member of the Inquisitorius! Remember this comment.
This would be kinda funny
@Lord Tyranus agreed, he did say he'd love to return as the character on the insideofyou podcast a few weeks back but honestly the way star wars has been going under Disney I think it's just not time to see him yet and they'd have to massively under power him or keep him the same but show what he's doing after the 2nd game
@@Tyrosine0910 he only needs to be on par with Ahsoka, which is all he ever was anyway
@@anarki1177 what has she done to show she is even close to him , stop overhyping Ashoka . She’s a great character one of my favorites but she hasn’t done anything to show she’s near as powerful as Galen . Maybe her saber skills cause they’re great but her force feats just DO NOT match Galen’s at all really.
Love what you put together, I do hope Cal gets at least one more game to show even more progress. While I agree with you wholeheartedly, the biggest factor is in the training. Starkiller was trained by Vader day 1. Cal was learning, but had to run and no longer used his powers for 5 years. I think he is ramping up...although I doubt they would let Cal ever beat Vader tbh.
Would love to see Kyle Katarn or Din Djarin paired up with an opponent in a matchup someday lol. I’m surprised no one has had a Mando v Boba v Jango three way matchup yet
Kyle fucking murders the man wtf. He beat a guy who was stated as Vader level, Dins best is him matching Ahsoka.
Din would get bodied by most Mandolorians during the clone era. His only redeeming factor is his durability but his battle prowess is just lacking in most regards
@@kingmoneilius7777 If you're referring to Jerec, the novel clarifies that Kyle cut Jerec off from the Force to win.
@@CRISIS_COMICS wouldn’t that still require him to have relative force output? It’s an impressive feat regardless.
@@CRISIS_COMICS He's likely referring to his fight against Darth Caedus, who was stated to be more powerful than Vader in the Force. The only reason Kyle lost that fight was due to Caedus' desperation tactics, he chucked a speeder at him and then stabbed him through the gut. Though Kyle did fight on a battlefield for another good 2 hours after this without medical attention. Man was as tenacious as they come.
Something funny about TFU games is that both entries were released like the movies, what I mean was the main entry (Movies and Game), then complementary entries (Comics and Novels) narrating the same story from a different POV.
My bet is on starkiller but cal is impressive and I can't wait to see your take
Spoilers for Jedi Survivor
One thing that I noticed that’s pretty interesting is that star killer in the force unleashed starts off as a Sith but later on down the line slowly taps into the light, Cal starts off as a Jedi, but later on down the line slowly taps into the Dark
As George Lucas said “ it’s like poetry, it rhymes”
I'm really hoping we get an dark sided game .
Kinda makes me want a Canon Starkiller as the final enemy for Cal in the next game
I like how Cal basically has his own version of “Ripper mode” as shown here 17:22 😂
Being Vader's surrogate son has to count for some thing.
“Master Marek there’s too many of them what do we do?”
The starkiller in force unleashed 2 was heavily implied to be the actual starkiller. The novels practically even say he's not a clone. The darkside ending wasn't canon as they planned a 3rd game about the lighside ending where they would comfirm he wasn't a clone. Also it's also implied Vader was trying to convince him he was a clone to better control him and break his will. There's a lot of stuff that basically implies he's not a clone. Other than that great video!
This is the first time someone said in the force unleashed 2 starkiller wasn't a clone. Because, everyone really think he was a clone but not me. My theory was when he died in the force unleashed 1, he was just unconscious or maybe vader somehow revived him and when he woke up vader told him he was a clone. This is my theory man, I am glad someone else believes starkiller was not a clone in the force unleashed 2.
Two of the best characters to come out of star wars video games.
And now one of my favorite versus creators matching them up.
AWSOME!!!
@@CRISIS_COMICSeveryone at the party 😐
Now we need to see Starkiller vs Kyle Katarn so we can know who the real champ is
Galen is my second favorite Jedi in any canon or legends continuity, man. I grew up abused (not that bad and not with magical powers, granted,) and the fact that he flipped the "Jedi falls to selfishness" into "Sith ascends to Hero" is a feat not often replicated, but highly worth respecting.
I'd rather see these 2 fight side by side. It would be epic
You also forgot one thing in the games you can channel the electric force through his blade for star killer or force push through his blade as well
Respect for not overating starkiller and giving some respect to cal
Always do my best!
Double respect
@@Dark_Lord_of_Mustafar Starkiller.
You don't have to overrate Starkiller to understand he would clap Cal despite my love for the ginger menace
@@NnullXdon't waste your time on slow ppl
I would love to see cal in the next game use more dark side abilities like the choke or even lightning.
Well, considering how its now canonical that light side jedi can use lightning... yeah its possible
I don't even get how this is a video idea in the first place, we already seen how Cal faced off against Vader. Maybe if it was a early/training Starkiller it could work? But even then..
who knows, maybe the third jedi game will make this topic a genuine debate.
until then.....RUN CAL RUN!!!!
Maybe Cal in the 3rd game can be a good match up for Starkiller, but for now he’s not there yet
Cal still has a looong ass path to go so he can reach starkiller levels of force control and power,but nothing a huge timeskip wouldn't solve
@@bcgazero6472 huge time skip wouldnt solve the lack of having a master, compared to starkillers master being vader who was the most powerful in the universe before starkiller, he then went on to kill 3 jedi masters, defeating vader twice and darth maul. cal defeated a gen dai, a high republic fallen jedi but only due to the help of BD-1 and bode, and then killed bode who is a weak force user with padawan or low knight levels of training at best, not to mention he was helped by merin in the majority of the fight, I love cal and really enjoyed both games however he would never be capable of defeating star killer, and aswell as that so long as darth vader is a life star killer will simply be remade
@@kodiwtf I mean,maybe he can still resort to yoda,he still wouldnt be nearly as strong as starkiller because he has restraint,starkiller even as a jedi would crush whoever the fuck is against him with the dark side
@@bcgazero6472 though i wouldn’t be surprised if in the third game he chooses to get rid of his restraint, I mean he has started to already buy killing all of his opponents in the 2nd game, he was reluctant too but still did it.
@@kodiwtf he's pretty much taking luke's path but way slower
Putting EU Starkiller against Cal? ya didnt have to do our favorite redhead like this man
They should do a dlc where cal runs into Galen. The one sided fight and run away scene would be epic
Starkillers so fast though😂
I think it would be MUCH better if they were a team.
This it the way I view this: Galen / Starkiller is obviously way more powerful in terms of raw power and combat ability. It's not even close. He's therefore very enjoyable to playa as a combat-orientated character.
What makes Cal awesome is that he is *not* the strongest in terms of anything that he does, but he strives and fights anyway. In some ways, it makes him even more of a hero.
SK was trained by Darth Vader to be his apprentice and help him defeat the emperor. If you compare the way Vader trainned the Inquisitors and SK there will be a huge difference as he only cared for the latter and was forced to train the former.
This. The inquisitors got the minimum training. Starkiller the premium level.
This has got to be a joke? Starkiller defeats Darth Vader and nearly the emperor in back to back fights. Cal sees Vader as a completely unfathomable force. Cal gets wrecked in a split second against my boy starkiller.
Starkiller gonna cook him 😂
I think you made the right choice about who would win there’s only one thing I wonder about
"Broly of Star Wars" is now how i will refer to Galen
Either broly or jiren. Either fits Starkiller considering his feats which include pulling down an entire star destroyer
CRISIS at start of video: Power isn't everything.
CRISIS at the end of the video: So Starkiller probably goes force hulk on Cal.
When did I say power isn’t everything?😂 I just said canon Vader ≠ Legends Vader.
@@CRISIS_COMICS "While this match up may seem one sided to some there is more to meets the eyes." is what i was joking about. In other vs. match up vids this is usually a precursor to saying the fight isn't quite as one sided as some may think.
@@CRISIS_COMICS canon vader doesn't have thar many feats
@@sithmaster4305 That was to address people who might assume Cal is fodder when he’s actually been buffed heavily by Survivor, as well as Legends mid-tiers being >>>>> canon high tiers. There’s nuance and it isn’t as simple as many ppls preconceptions about it being one sided; not to say it isn’t one sided tho.
Not to get off topic but the high republic stuff really is a turn off. "Greatest jedi who ever lived" sounds like it came straight from the lamest elementary school fan fiction. Back to topic, I would be disappointed if Cal was made out to be OP by Jedi standards. His is an underdog story through and through while Starkiller's is a story about a monster's redemption or lack thereof.
I think Kal is implied to be a solid Jedi, probably on the level of Kenobi or Qui Gon. Near the council members in power, but not quite. (Kenobi was in because of all the others that died lol)
Cmon this isn’t even fair bro
But it is topical and interesting! 🎉
Cal Ketis reminds me of Obi-wan, was never a stand out as a padawan, and had to rely on training, dedication and trust in the force to become one of the most exceptional jedi
honestly I think a fight between em would go super hard
Looking forward to this
Hope you enjoy!
😂 no... But Starkiller is ridiculously OP, but still a cool character
I have Star Killer at Large Star Level via upscaling from sith of old. Also basically every legends character annihilates there canon counter part. Legends output of raw energy is insane. This was a great vid, pls do more Star Wars content.
It's gonna turn from jedi survivor to jedi funeral real quick
Their prime selves fighting it out and her old self fighting it out
Heres hoping one day we get a force unleashed 3 🙏
i like cal as a character but starkiller takes this the scaling chain with star wars legends is insane
@@mattmetawolf8634force unleashed was never canon so it didn’t matter
@@mattmetawolf8634 fallen order is cannon. Have you not seen the tv shows lately? They’re all connected
@@mattmetawolf8634 weeb don’t get an opinion.
Cal's only 100% fullproof way to survive against Starkiller is to slow him and just run.
Poor, poor Cal. Dudes gonna get a Star Destroyer dunked on him.
I think when it comes to Starkiller, his first incarnation is what we can expect to compare Cal against. Strong in the Force, master of the saber, but nevertheless, he was but a man.
He mastered many abilities, and had a deep intuitive understanding of the Force, allowing him to accomplish feats like moving the Star Destroyer.
I believe that the Star Destroyer feat is a direct reference to what Yoda says to Luke in Empire Strikes Back: it doesn't matter for the Force whether you're lifting a pebble or a starship. The only limitation is within your mind. So I believe that measuring kilotons of power required to accomplish it is entirely irrelevant.
Also, speaking of speed, neither forceuser can move at the speed of light, that's ridiculous. Even IF blaster bolts are lasers and not the magnetically accelerated Tibanna gas plasma bolts they've always been in the Star Wars lore, deflecting them does not mean moving faster than the speed of light. It means having precognition abilities to know where the bolt is going to be aimed.
Anyway, regarding Starkiller from TFU 2, he's an entirely different beast. After going through several clone bodies and undergoing Vader's gruelling training regiments, as well as after the direct confrontation with Palpatine (which, BTW, I don't believe was in any way him holding back - the Emperor was well past his prime there), Starkiller has forged such a strong bond with the Force, he had become almost a destructive incarnate of the Force itself. His human side drove him to Juno and allowed him to stay somewhat sane, while his Force side was disintegrating hordes of enemies and tearing Star Destroyers in half.
Man I wish they would remastered the force unleashed for the PS5, I'm tryna play it with Jedi survivor graphics, they missing out with doing this
and the xbox..?
Would be cool if you made a video of seeing who’s the strongest sith of all time,feel everyone has a different answer to the question and I m curious
I wrote a video about that for [REDACTED]
@@CRISIS_COMICS you’re talking about [DATA_EXPUNGED]?
It's difficult to do the strongest sith of all time because there are many extremely powerful sith in the eu
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 true,just wondering because there’s solid evidence for sidious,but also Darth Viciate has some life to him that would say him
@@Handyrandy2233 you forgot exar kun, he is far more powerful than revan ua-cam.com/video/FvKE3uRBOjE/v-deo.html
Starkiller, man pulled down a freakin' Star Destroyer.
He split one in half...
I saw the thumbnail and I said he’ll no💀😂
Bro i laughed when i saw the title of this video 😂
I did also 😂
Starkiller low diifs in my opinion. Also happy may the fourth crisis
May the 4th be with you!
@@CRISIS_COMICS thanks Buddy
2 games with 2 novels except cal’s novel got turned into a lesbian sex story😂
Most Jedi can’t stand toe to toe with Sith Lords.. starkiller is a gifted Sith Lord with no moral and no Barriers. He will win easily
Sith Stalker, he was never a Sith. Just trained in the dark side, similar to the Inquisitors.
@mattmetawolf8634 Still doesn't negate the rule of two, which Vader still upheld. Like Maul, he was a weapon for the Sith. If their masters(Sidious & Vader) succeed, then yeah, but they didn't. Which rendered their apprentices to be nothing more than a weapon. Even if Galen became a dark lord, Vader would've killed him to replace him with Luke (like he tried in the movie).
@mattmetawolf8634 Meaning Galen was not a Sith but still had to be taken down. During Legends continuity, the closest thing he could've been was a Shadow Guard. Also, Sidious was paranoid and figured Galen was kept secret for a reason, so he had to go.
@mattmetawolf8634 Never compared him to them, I said he'd fit those roles (had Sidious knew of him prior). Still couldn't dispute my claim of Vader upholding the rule of two. He had a vision for Galen, but once it was discovered, he had to change things around. Then lied to Galen and betrayed him a second time. Galen was destined for greatness but would never live to see it. Regardless, we'll agree to disagree.
@mattmetawolf8634 Even if they prevailed, he still would've been killed in favor of Luke, most likely.
This video really needed 20 minutes for an outcome everyone knew?
Don’t know too many people surviving a ship dropped on there Dome!😂
Imperial 1 class, not Imperial I class. Other than that, excellent video!