How Powerful is Darth Vader? | STAR WARS LEGENDS
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Darth Vader is a fictional character in the Star Wars franchise. The character is the primary antagonist in the original trilogy and, as Anakin Skywalker, is a primary protagonist in the prequel trilogy. Star Wars creator George Lucas has collectively referred to the first six episodic films of the franchise as "the tragedy of Darth Vader".
Originally a slave on Tatooine, Anakin is a Jedi prophesied to bring balance to the Force. He is lured to the dark side of the Force by Palpatine and becomes a Sith lord, assuming the title Darth Vader. After a lightsaber battle with his former mentor Obi-Wan Kenobi, in which he is severely injured, Vader is transformed into a cyborg. He then serves the Galactic Empire as its chief enforcer until he ultimately redeems himself by saving his son, Luke Skywalker, and killing Palpatine, sacrificing his own life in the process. He is also the secret husband of Padmé Amidala, biological father of Princess Leia, and maternal grandfather of Jacen Solo.
The character has been portrayed by numerous actors: David Prowse physically portrayed Vader while James Earl Jones voiced him in the original trilogy, and Sebastian Shaw portrayed the unmasked Anakin in Return of the Jedi, as well as the character's spirit in the original release of that film. Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen played the character in the prequel trilogy in the first and next two films, respectively, and the latter also replaced Shaw as Anakin's spirit with the 2004 re-release of Return of the Jedi. His cinematic appearances span the first six Star Wars films, as well as Rogue One. He is referenced in both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, and makes vocal cameos as both Vader and Anakin in The Rise of Skywalker. He also appears in television series (most substantially The Clone Wars) and numerous iterations of the Star Wars Expanded Universe, including video games, novels, and comic books.
Darth Vader has become one of the most iconic villains in popular culture, and has been listed among the greatest villains and fictional characters ever. The American Film Institute listed him as the third greatest movie villain in cinema history on 100 Years... 100 Heroes and Villains, behind Hannibal Lecter and Norman Bates. His role as a tragic hero in the saga was also met with positive reviews.
00:00 Intro
01:03 Anakin VS Vader
06:23 Attack Potency
20:10 Speed
22:18 Skill
24:40 Hax
26:28 Resistances
28:43 Conclusion and Outro - Розваги
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Your reasoning to claiming Count Dooku’s power is universal is because of a rule which only apply to dead authors. Well last time I made sure George Lucas is alive and even if he was you are still wrong. It’s nothing but head cannon with nothing to back it up, if anything evidence suggests he isn’t some universal fighter like a DBZ character. It’s too far fetched!😂
@@toalesovikk7168 Try to listen harder, we can debate regarding Death of the Author as well as universal Dooku in my Discord server: t.co/uSvBCE6E0h
The craziest thing is Vader is wielding a weak version of Tutaminis, (my favorite force ability) if he could achieve complete Tutaminis (a hereditary thing) he could passively eat any energy sent his way, Anything force related gone anything with kinetic energy gone, anything with potential energy gone, lightsabers and blasters gone, punches gone. And all that energy would allow him to further enhance his force abilities to the point of making black holes with enough energy.
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Impressive.... most impressive. Power scaling has taught you well.
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:O daddy vader!
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Pathetic! To think a mere portal would think they can discuse themselves with me... You will never have a chance. You don't know the power of the dark side!
In the Vader vs Anakin section we need to remember that George Lucas wasn’t comparing where Anakin was to Vader. He was comparing where he could have gone. He had the POTENTIAL to be more powerful had he not become more machine than man. He still got stronger from episode 3 onwards it just wasn’t at the same rate it could have been
@@397llederson6 No. He still was more powerful than in episode 3. He just has a lower ceiling tho.
@@397llederson6 You don't need any. It's obvious. He still got more powerful then he was in episode 3. He just can't be as powerful as he could have been as episode 3.
Luke was more powerful than Vader! He used his super powers for 👍
@@barrytaylor6886 What you use them for has nothing to do with how powerful you are.
This guy just destroyed your argument, and you restate it anyways.
I am also of the opinion anakin is weaker than Vader. People mistake prime and full potential. Full potential anakin would surpass sideous. Prime anakin is weaker than Vader.
I mean yeah but you can see why people think anakin still has a stronger raw force power
Hes was unstable and over confident as anikan wich made him weaker.vader never would have outbursts.hed just kill an imperial for ducking at there job.bit he never would have that arrogance.vader I think would've destroyed sifious in a duel
Prime anakin killed the son who was basically a deity of the dark side so try again…
@@bigmoneyshmoneymaker7697 anakin killed the son. Yes. But he definitely didn’t fight him if you remember the father distracted the son. All anakin did was stab the son. So if you think anakin stabbing someone who isn’t expecting it and has their back turned as his prime than you downplay him. Plus the clone wars took place between episode 2 and 3. Anakin couldn’t defeat dooku until episode 3. Anakin says his powers have doubled since episode 2. So try again
@@dougbull3230 Vader in canon is considered a better duelist than any known sith
yes, vader lINITIALLY lost some of his power and force potential after losing his limbs. however, as outlined above and demonstrated everywhere, it was not long before he became immersed even deeper into darkness, and recovered his previously possessed powers and potential and more through the dark side.
@@397llederson6 that was changed dude
@@397llederson6 he didn't want to kill palpatine until the movies he wanted to turn luke to the dark side he needed palpatine for it so he kept him alive.
@@397llederson6 Vader didn't want to kill Palpy because he was under his tangled web of lies, it wasn't until he found out Luke existed and he'd been lied to that he planned to kill Palps, but before that he wanted Luke to join him
George also invented midichlorians, I love the dude but the fans are always the best at making lore
@@bighorn6964 If you change Canon it'ds no longer Canon.
@@Andformerthingshavepassedaway that's the thing. It's does change and you can recton things if you own the rights to it.
Thank you for calling Dooku Darth Tyranus. Made my day. Not too many people call him by his Darth name
Imo Vader might not have as near as much potential as Anakin, but Vader was able to freely use a lot more of his potential than Anakin could have possibly hope to match. In Disney cannon it's admitted that Anakin had a load of raw power in the Force but could only access it with a rage boost. Whereas Vader could access comparable or greater amounts of Force power with ease and finesse because Vader was far more in-tune with the Force.
No Disney Fake Canon.
Vader was still limited he couldn't use force lightning dark tendrils, and many others abilities that need limps
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021but what all abilities he did have access to he did it with skill comparable to the best. Diversity of abilities doesn't mean strength. If it did dooku would have been stronger than vader yet sidious himself states vader is superior to dooku.
@staarfinger7322 strength doesn't equal win in a fight that's why anakin lost in his first duel against dooku
anakin was weaker than dooku in their first fight. @@alsimmonshellspawn6021
3:16 I honestly have to agree here. That’s not to say he’s not weaker than he would be. As a Jedi Knight Anakin was powerful yes, however as Vader he had more time to train in the dark side. Even with the handicaps he has, he has had room to grow. And honestly that just goes to show just how powerful he could have been. The dude still hits like a goddamn Death Star. And even if he’s only 20% as powerful as Ol palpy, That’s still pretty damn powerful
Palpatine thinks he’s strong enough to kill him and he has the feats to show that the “20% weaker than Palpatine” statement is contradicted
I think Vader being 80% of Palpatine's power is assuming Palps uses his entire Dark Side repertoire against Vader, including things such as his manipulation of Midichlorians and Force suckage.
Two problems arise, however:
1. Palpatine's Force abilities tend to be more on the passive side. Ignoring obvious exceptions such as Force Lightning, he's a more hidden Sith than Vader. Almost all of Vader's powers are dedicated towards fighting. This means that while Vader may not be able to create life, he's a stronger combatant.
2. Palps is old and weak. While Vader's suit is built to be easily disabled via Force Lightning, who says Vader won't attack when Sheev has his back turned? We clearly see how Yoda, after so much time not having any enemies and growing old, is barely able to lift an X-Wing out of the ground. Meanwhile, Vader can pull up Star Destroyers.
Emperor papaltine reborn was light years far more powerful than vader, papaltine reborn couldn't use his full power because the clones couldn't handle his spirit who was a threat to the entire universe and was described in as a black hole 🕳 in the force
@meme meme papaltine can still enchance his physical capacity by using force Valor or dark rage which is a far more advanced version of force valor also papaltine is much faster than vader expecially his reborn form who move like 200 times faster than the speed of light
@@CRISIS_COMICSIk this was a year ago but when palpatine says this does it mean Vader could best him in a fight if so would this mean Vader is the strongest force user at the time
I do believe that Vader could be as powerful, if not more powerful, than Anakin. The reason why I say this is while Anakin may have been able to tap into immense power levels of the Force, the Jedi usually held him back because Jedi don't seek power. While Vader's injuries prevented him from tapping into that potential, he became even more devoted to the Force than he ever was as Anakin, and learned of new powers that Anakin never would have learned if he stayed with the Jedi.
Unless he remained on the dark side and jumped to the side of Kenobi on Mustafar. I hope we get a movie or game of an alternate universe where he thinks logically. I’d love to play as Anakin or see him annihilate the Emperor and replace him.
What a surreal vid.
Finally, someone is actually scaling Vader to his utmost (without using the outerversal meta that would just end up angering people).
Also, your voice is perfect for this kinda stuff. Keep going king!
What's the argument for outerversal SW?
@@status7505 The Anakin > duality stuff based on when he was able to neg the Son and Daughter at the same time.
@@Fulcron13 Yeah maybe. Not much of a serious SW scaler - I just like the verse and mostly do SWtOR - so I probs haven't come across anything other than what I said before.
Wait Outerversal Star Wars? That has to be a meme.
@@neostrax3646 Yep
This is actually the most in-depth analysis on Vader's true power I've come across. Would you consider doing a similar analysis on Sidious' power or maybe do a "Nihilus vs Sidious" in the future? Anyway, awesome video!
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Nihilus is out of control OP.
@@kirankillmore720 no he isn’t.
nihilus is no where near sidious and i mean he would stand no chance.
Nihilus is like a dark side version of what people thought people thought yoda was people before the prequels thought yoda was just a force user not a duelist nihilus is extremely powerful but lacks the 1 on 1 power that would put him on par with yoda Vader and palpatine
I think it comes down to one major thing: Anakin didn’t try as hard as Vader.
Anakin didn’t really have to try, he was strong and powerful, more powerful than most Jedi, but he didn’t *need* to try as hard as possible to become the most powerful, since there wasn’t a huge drive to do so. There were two instances though where that wasn’t entirely true; first was Mortis, when he had to choose between Obi-Wan or Ahsoka, so he decided the best way to win without choosing was to harness Mortis’ power to man-handle the Son and Daughter. The second instance was with Padmé, when he felt he had to become as strong as possible to save her, but beyond these two times, Anakin didn’t have a drive to truly become the strongest.
Vader was very different, he didn’t just *want* to become as strong as possible, he *had* to. Vader was weakened more-so than ever before after his injuries, and he would forever be weaker than Sidious, and he knew if he remained weak, then his master would dispose of him. So, to please Sidious, and prove he was a worthy Sith, he trained, reworked his entire fighting style, learned techniques and powers he never did as Anakin, and had to turn most of his weaknesses into his strengths, since his suit compromised much of what made him the powerhouse he was during the Clone Wars was gone after Mustafar.
That’s just my two-cents though, if anyone else has other ideas please comment them, I’d love to read and discuss these things, thank you for reading.
I think it was more down to ignorance rather than lack of trying . Anakin only knew the Force as he was told by the Jedi, and the Jedi hid a lot of shit due to their Paranoia regarding the Dark Side. There were limits and boundaries for the Jedi but none for the Sith.
As about him being Obsessed with Power, that’s neither here or there. Everyone was obsessed with Power and Everyone loved to exercise it. The Jedi Council being an Example of the same. Powerful Jedi we’re higher in rank and more respected. The difference being that Anakin had way more potential than the average Jedi. Or any Jedi for that matter.
Great video! Really enjoyed the in depth explanations and dissection of certain lore. Keep up the hard work
First video I found of yours but looking forward to watching some more of these. I really enjoyed reading the Revenge of the Sith novelization and Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader all those years ago. They really did a good job of explaining what was going on and how the characters were using the force, so it's awesome to be reminded of them on the first video I see. Damn! This was awesome! I wonder how thought out all of this was by Lucas and the book writers. It seems to be very congruent. I know of all the books you've mentioned and while I didn't read them all (Shatterpoint for example) everything seems to line up so well for characters' strengths relative to one another, even when they aren't being directly compared.
Vader's damages and turn to dark side forced him to relearn a lot of his connection to the force. Lucas can be right in the moment of his reconstruction, but years of training can overcome this
Please do EU Luke! Hell do so many great EU characters! Screw Disney, Star Wars was so good back in the day! Luke's feats are so awesome, especially in the New Jedi Order Era.
GM Luke was unbeatable.
Didn’t Luke collapse a black hole and do a better force avatar trick than in the last Jedi?
I'm amazed .. Time and time again I've seen Vader down played hated on and misunderstood.. Your understanding on this subject was impressive and thorough..I agree with you 100 % and I was satisfied completely by your logical totally honest and well researched deduction of this Epic character ..Lord Vader...His rage determination passion intelligence and raw genetic power made him second to none in his own right..
Vader gets overlooked by all the Revan dick riders
Boba Fett must also be light speed +
@@bjrnthebootybandit Idk about that man
@@lol-sp4rv he pressed Vadar
To summarize what he is saying around 5:00, the whole point behind the "Death of the Author" trope is that if the author's words is directly contradicted by the story, then the author's words must be put into question. Basically if I was writing a book and I said in an interview that a certain character was wearing always wears blue shirt when it was shown multiple times that he always wear a red shirt, then I would be wrong. Hence, "Death of the Author".
Ahhh, so J.K. Rowling's random changes to the Harry Potter characters in interviews would be considered as such
@@jbktpl1245 That is different, J.K. Rowling's comments talk about aspects previously unknown or not covered, unlike what the original commenter meant in which they directly contradict. Those are two different things.
the small issue here is that only applies to non movie stuff. George is internally consistent with his own projects. that the books say anything otherwise is up to them but, that essentially just makes them fanfic. entertaining fiction yes, but, George had a vision and at the end of the day it was his franchise to dictate how things proceeded.
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Extremely helpful information! Lots of misinformation being spread about SW blasters. People actually go out of their way to ignore official guides when it comes to SW for some odd reason.
Probably because they're using the Disney canon.
Appreciate the amount of research and work you've put into this video
I joined your discord when you formed it some weeks ago. I enjoy the discussions. 👍
I’ve always figured post-injury Vader in his prime was more powerful than pre-injury Anakin in his prime, but pre-injury Anakin had the, still untapped, potential to be far more powerful than he became after his injuries as Vader, more powerful than any other force user born in history.
And that Sidious genuinely wanted Anakin to one day realize his full potential and replace him as the master, but after his failure on Mustafar, and the injuries he received from that failure, that’s when Sidious started to resent him for said failure, injuries, and wasted potential, and began to want to replace him with a new apprentice who could one day succeed him and carry on the Rule of Two
Good video. You should do Darth nihilus next. He doesn't get much love
i subbed aftwr watching your power scaling of luke skywalker because you go in depth and dismiss the misconceptions and because your content is just that good, keep up the fantastic work sir!
Great video man
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Man that was great 👍
Thank you kindly 🙏
Your content is Amazing Crisis keep up the hard work my man I would like to see a Darth Maul or Darth Revan how powerful vid I think it would be cool
CRISIS: How powerful is legends Darth Vader.
The Jedi that Darth Vader hunts: YES!
Damn never knew Vader is THIS powerful I use to think he was planet level (in canon) to star level (in Legends).
Just amazing work.
Great job with this video!
Solid vid
Nice seeing you here
Nice video, ngl never seen a vader powerscale on youtube.
PowerCruncj made a pretty good one for canon Vader
@@ItsButterBean1020 I'll watch later
Check out YFV, he's a great star wars powerscaler and also scaled legends Vader.
Just saying man, I love ur videos keep up the good work.
The other interesting thing is that Palpatine also drained planetary energies and had sith artifacts/talismans to enhance his powers further, so imagine if Vader did the same 😎
I've never heard it mentioned that Vader did so, therefore he could be even more powerful w/ those elements added in if he chose.
@Exar kun The dark side cosmic entity I don't know if he was ever given the opportunity to try.
Palpatine obviously didn't want to tell him all of his secrets.
What source is that information in, about him not being gifted w/ sorcery when/if he tried it?
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Sidious gave vader a sith artifact actually. It was the glove he used on his lightsaber hand but it was lost after luke chopped it off
@@DJFilthy interesting...that is news to me. Ok 1 artifact confirmed lol
Anakin may have arguably have had a stronger connection to the force, but Vader was certainly better at using it. By taking just the movies into account and ignoring all the expanded universe stuff, I think it’s pretty clear that OT Vader outclasses PT Anakin in how they use the force. We never see Anakin do things like choke someone through a tv monitor while simultaneously giving orders to another imperial officer. Nor do we see him telekinetically hurling multiple objects at an opponent with minimal gestures. The most we see of Anakin using the force in the prequels is the usual Jedi stuff of deflecting laser fire, dueling and force assisted acrobatics. Things that Vader shouldn’t have a problem handling. Even Anakin’s ability to see into the future isn’t exactly something he can call on at will most of the time.
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Anakin believed in himself much more than the force. In the revenge of the sith novel when him and obi wan are trying to get on board the ship where dooku has palpatine hostage, anakin's doing a risky maneuver and obi wan tells him to let the force guide him and it actually kinda frustrates anakin. Whereas when he becomes vader someone speaks bad about the force in front of him and he just starts force choking them for their stupidity
In terms of potential sure. In terms of power and skill vader just stomps
Vader's power comes from his pain an misery as anakin, who suffered hardships an pain. That makes him such a powerful being 🤘🏼
Thank you for this
My first video here, I feel like you had to really stretch the logic for some points and I can't say I agree with much of the start of the video but I did still really enjoy your video. Thought the preface of using death of the author theory was a good way to start. Overall I think you got a new sub
The video is actually perfect so u should prolly agree with all of it wholeheartedly and double subscribe
I would love a video explaining how powerful Luke Skywalker is and how powerful Master Yoda or Sideous is.
“Force users use the force” idk why but that line made me chuckle a bit
great video
Fire vid✅
As someone who writes myself, I do not believe in the death of the writer philosophy. Who knows a character better than the author of that character? They not only know who the character is, but has the fullest knowledge of everything they could've been. This is why I have to agree with Lucas. The mechanical suit, while not preventing him from becoming stronger, did prevent him from reaching the potential he could have if he was never in the suit and only George Lucas knows exactly what version of Vader that is. I really enjoyed the video and believe it was well thought out and explained clearly.
george lucas seeing this: no no no no no no. also, that gl impression was spot on.
George Lucas's opinion on Vader is just ugh
He created the character. He said luke had his power after rotj.
He opens a webway portal into the force in the new Canon on mustafar after killing momin.
I.E dimensional warping. Palpatine needed Ezra to the same thing. Ezra though had a spiritual connection with lothal and hence didn't require great power.
Vader didn't have a connection to mustafar other than being "born on it" in its fire.
Vader with clarity of focus through love or rage is more powerful than sidious as he slaughtered palpatine on the deathstar.
@@samuelmyth8392 no it wasn’t.
@@paladinheadquarters7776 yes it is he basically thinks he is a shit fighter
Yo this is so well done you now hv my sub vader is a beast
BIG FAT LIKE ON THAT VIDEO!! Thanks alot for that.
Could you please make a list of the soundtracks you used in that video? Hearing them in the meantime you told everything about vader´s true power was my time of the day to be hones :D
Excellent video! As a Sith Lord myself, I praise this video for helping to promote the Sith and the Dark Side! Thank you! 🔥🔥🔥
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Yes. I would like to see a video on EU Luke.
Epic vid
Maaaan seeing that visual dictionary of AOTC unlocked memories,we use to have it in my elementary school library and everybody would fight for it when the last kids week was up. Simpler times, good times
One problem I have is when someone says that since a character can block an attack, that must mean they can output at least the same attack, thats like saying someone wearing a bulletproof vest can punch like their fist is a bullet
I never said that tho…
@@CRISIS_COMICS I was just meaning with powerscaling in general, sorry for the misunderstanding this is a great video
Awesome review of Vader. Could you do a series of videos scaling the Old Republic characters? Guys like Lord Odion has Universal statements. Nihilus being a threat to the entire universe because of his hax. Vitiate with all of his OP stuff. A touch on Darth Malak would be awesome too. Just some examples.
Late reply but Vitiate vs Palpatine would be great
@@ItsButterBean1020palpatine wins.
comprehensive description, thanks, Mace Windu was able to do what Yoda couldn't. He defeated Sidius with his light saber- or did Sidius just pretend to be loosing so Anakin would intervene? I never was sure
This got you my sub. Definitely do Legends Luke.
I’d love to watch a video on Luke Skywalker.
Vader stands in his own realm, but only after he got his legs back
In anakins fight against dooku when anakin swung and made contact or missed you could heard a booming sound indicating that he had some god damn power in those blows
Great video my dude. Ima sub for this effort. I’ll be checking out the rest of your content. I might want you on my podcast soon.
Greatest Lightsaber Duelist in Galactic History.
Although I don’t remember where I heard it I swear I remember hearing George stating that Vader was indeed stronger than Anakin, but could never reach his full potential as a dark sider because of that little nugget of light inside of him.
Also if you want to talk about logistics Anakin was on the level of Mace Windu, and Dooku in terms of general skill of the blade and force power. And both Mace and Dooku were just a hairs breathe under their respective masters, but there was just enough of a gap that they wouldn’t win in a straight duel. Or at least that’s how I think it is considering just how powerful Mace and Dooku are and that Dooku describes controlling the dark side as if he’s becoming the axle of the universe. But Vader was 80% as powerful as the Emperor during Return of the Jedi and it’s pretty much confirmed that Palpatine got stronger between episode 3 and 6.
So based on logistics Anakin is about 90% as powerful as ROTS Sidious and Vader is 80% ROTJ Palpatine. And Vader is considered to be slightly stronger by both the numerous quotes that you found in the video and by that George quote that I don’t remember where it was. That seems to about add up if you ask me.
Nah
@@CRISIS_COMICS nah what exactly?
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Cool videos
I’m not so sure I understand all the scaling but I definitely nod along and hmm to myself as if I do🤣
I would love the nightwing video you had in the option, can you please do it when you have it some time? Thanks dude, great job as always btw
I’d love to, he’s mad disrespected.
@@CRISIS_COMICS That's a fact man, one of my favorite characters in DC
This felt more like a school assignment rather than a entertaining video
I would absolutely love a "How Powerful Is..." video on EU Luke Skywalker
You should do a top 10 strongest charterers, or separate them from top Jedi and sith
Next time aside of a video of EU Luke could you do a video about Starkiller compared to Vader at his full potential as well? I would love to because he's my favorite of all Star Wars character.
@@nxzavian Vader at his full potential without the injuries on Mustafar.
Given if upper tier Star Wars characters can be universe scaled, you gotta wonder how those light saber hilts stay intact, even if we low ball them and say they're star level.
You could argue that the wielder would be holding the hilt together with his Force
In terms of the blaster argument. Force users don’t respond to the blaster bolt but the force tipping them off on the direction in which someone plans to attack, giving them the perceived notion of light speed reaction where realistically, they just sensed (i.e a trooper) the initial intention to fire their blaster at them.
Non-force users also react to light speed, that then Force users scale above so...
Lmfao no. Blaster bolts are lightspeed as stated many times in the Official Legends lore:
Like most energy weapons, turbolasers fire invisible energy beams at lightspeed. The 'bolt effect' seen when a turbolaser is fired is actually a glowing pulse that travels along the beam at less than lightspeed.
Source: Fact File 47
Energy weapons fire invisible energy beams at lightspeed. The visible "bolt" is a glowing pulse that travels along the beam at less than lightspeed (...) The light given off by visible bolts depletes the overall energy content of a beam, limiting its range. Turbolasers gain a longer range by spinning the energy beam, which reduces waste glow.
Source: Star Wars: Attack of the Clones Incredible Cross-Sections
He triggered the first pair of concussion missiles, knowing that, unlike the laser cannon, they did not strike at the speed of light.
Source: The New Jedi Order: Destiny's Way
Though the transparisteel in the doors at the end of the main hall he could see distant flashes, narrow red streaks heading one way at the speed of light.
Source: The New Jedi Order: Enemy Lines II - Rebel Stand
Sophisticated sensor algorithms compressed the combat that sprawled throughout the galactic capital's orbit to a view the naked eye could enjoy: Cruisers hundreds of kilometers apart, exchanging fire at near light-speed.
Source: Revenge of the Sith Novelization
"The wave of charged particles blew over her at lightspeed, nearly - but not quite - generating enough static to drown out Gavin's fierce cry of exultation."
Source: The New Jedi Order: Edge of Victory - Book I
Furthermore, there's the Official film novelization has Obi-Wan moving his lightsaber so fast (casually at that) that he literally surrounds himself in a shimmering blue shield deflecting every shot from semi-automatic to fully automatic blaster rifles from over, literally", ten thousand droids firing on him omnidirectionally at the same time.
"Only ten thousand to go. Give or take. An instant later the Force had him hurtling through a storm of blasterfire as every combat droid in the control center opened up on him at once. Letting go of intention, letting go of desire, letting go of life, Obi-Wan fixed his entire attention on a thread of the Force that pulled him toward Grievous: not where Grievous was, but where Grievous would be when Obi-Wan got there...
Leaping girder to girder, slashing cables on which to swing through swarms of ricocheting particle beams, blade flickering so fast it became a deflector shield that splattered blaster bolts in all directions, his presence alone became a weapon: as he spun and whirled through the control center's superstructure, the blasts of particle cannons from power droids destroyed equipment and shattered girders and unleashed a torrent of red-hot debris that crashed to the deck, crushing droids on all sides. By the time he flipped down through the air to land cat-footed on the deck once more, nearly half the droids between him and Grievous had been destroyed by their own not-so-friendly fire. He cut his way into the mob of remaining troops as smoothly as if it were no more than a canebrake near some sunlit beach; his steady pace left behind a trail of smoking slices of droid."
Source: ROTS Novelization
It should be noted that the droids covered him in a dome as this passage suggested:
"Another gesture, and the droids in the ceiling hive came to life. They uncoiled from their sockets heads-downward, with a rising chorus of whirring and buzzing and clicking that thickened until Obi-Wan might as well have stumbled into a colony of Corellian raptor-wasps.
They began to drop free of the ceiling, first only a few, then many, like the opening drops of a summer cloudburst; finally they fell in a downpour that shook the stone-mounted durasteel of the deck and left Obi-Wan's ears ringing. Hundreds of them landed and rolled to standing; as many more stayed attached to the overhead hive, hanging upside down by their magnapeds, weapons trained so that Obi-Wan now stood at the focus of a dome of blasters"
.Source: ROTS Novelization
The droids being suspended in the air shooting at him and others still stuck on mounts and pods on the roof and walls surrounding him like a dome. Obi-Wan being surrounded 3-dimensionally from all directions. The only way for anyone to survive this is that the character in question must be lightspeed or even faster.
It seems that I had forgot to react about 5D Vader. The funniest thing is that it is true by looking at the lore, most especially a source material that goes by the name as “MedStar II: Jedi Healer". It should be stated that in that source material, Barriss Offee had achieved Oneness through artificial methods. Here's a quote that is relevant to your claim about 5D Vader.
*"In that moment she was transcendent, almost omnipotent. She was simultaneously in her body and out of it, able to see beyond three, even four dimensions.“*
-MedStar II: Jedi Healer
Yep, you got it folks. The Force can go beyond four dimensions. MedStar II: Jedi Healer shows the true power of what Oneness could do to a Force Sensitive even though that said Oneness is achieved through artificial means and not through natural means. It should be noted that the quote is about the perspective Barriss Offee in a state of Oneness. Even if one reaches the state of Oneness, they aren't capable of compreheding the true nature of the Force.
It should be noted that despite reaching Oneness in which she stretched to infinity, she still couldn't comprehend the Force:
*"That amazing sense of familiarity, coupled with awe and wonder at the newness of it, the astonishing, held-breath feeling, the breadth and depth of it, stretching to infinity... She thought she was prepared for it, but she wasn't. It was just too ...big. She couldn't see how anyone could accept it, take it all in, process it. It wouldn't fit into her limited comprehension; it was like trying to confine the blazing, multifaceted glory of a firestone into a lat 2-D image. Her sense, corseted into only three dimensions, couldn't even begin to make sense of it."*
Despite reaching Oneness and even going beyond the fourth dimension, she is still infinitesimally insignificant compared to the Force itself. Goes to show, at the scale of what the Force is operating at. It should be noted that this is Oneness achieved by a mere Jedi Padawan and not a Jedi Knight or a Jedi Master. In other words. Furthermore, Starkiller had reached Oneness and yet Sidious still endures the power of Oneness harnessed by Starkiller. Then there's Abeloth's avatars being powerful enough to casually endure attacks from Ben Skywalker in a state of Oneness, reminder this is just her avatar and thus not at full strength.
*Ben opened himself to the Force completely, shielding himself from the Font of Power's darkness by drawing its energies through the power of all he loved in the galaxy, through his faith in the Jedi purpose and the promise of the future-through his confidence in Vestara and the sure knowledge that she would soon join him in the ranks of the Jedi Knights. The Force came pouring into Ben from all sides, irresistible and pure, a flood of light and purpose that no being in the galaxy could deny. He felt himself become the Force, a swirl of power and energy, and he focused all that he was on the approaching Keshiri, hitting her with a Force blast that would have knocked a frigate out of orbit.*
*The blast caught the avatar square in the chest and rocked her shoulders back at least a couple of centimeters.*
*She paused almost noticeably before she took her next step.*
*Ben staggered back, exhausted, and nearly fell before Vestara's hand clamped around his biceps.*
- Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse
Yep, that's right. The best that a Skywalker on a state of Oneness to an avatar of Abeloth is to push her back about a couple of centimeters.
Essentially, 5D Vader is supported by the lore. If Sidious can survive Starkiller on Oneness and an avatar of Abeloth can survive Ben Skywalker on Oneness. I'd bet Vader can contend with Force Sensitives on a state of Oneness. So, yeah, 5D Vader.
Wow... cool :D
I am curious to see how legends scaling looks since I've only scaled canon so far.
i too do not consider any disney star wars as cannon, however i do make exceptions where dave filoni is involved, specifically as chief executive or director.
Finally EU Vader gets the respect he deserves.
I would love a luke video bro
short ans: powerful
long ans: *VERY POWERFUL*
The Obi-Wan series has been good at demonstrating just how skilful, with the force, and powerful he is.
using the death of the author argument is the equivalent of the angry lady at Kroger saying "the customer is always right", great vid tho
It is the circumstances on the death of the author is being used. It really depends. Take Dark Empire Sidious for an example. Sidious fanboys uses it to show how powerful Sidious is, although, there are other sources that do so, but this is the source material that is mostly used in vs battle debates for pro-Sidious side. Most especially, the Force Storms themselves. Here's the thing about the Force Storms
It is one of the most cited ability that any Pro-Sidious debate would make to show how powerful, he is. Then on 2016, there's an interview with Tom Veitch who is the author of the Dark Empire comics. He stated that Force Storms could only be made if two great minds meet with each other and struggled with each other. Here's the quote:
"The Emperor can't create Force storms. They are in fact a phenomenon that occurs rarely, when two great minds meet and struggle at a distance"- Tom Veitch, author of Dark Empire, 2016
This is we can use death of the author because the circumstances are correct. Veitch stated that the Force Storm ability is something occurs rarely and even then, it should be two great minds that must meet and struggle at a distance. Now, there's the distinction of interpretation and lore. What is being interpreted or the interpretation is Veitch's statement in 2016 of his statement in regards to Force Storms. It is his or the Author's interpretation of the Force Storm ability, not the lore itself. The lore itself is radically different from that of the interpretation.
How? Read the lore. There's the Dark Staff making Force Storms. There are dark side adepts able to do Force Storms as can be seen from this quote:
Force storm: A tornado of energy created by great disturbances in the Force. Dark Side Adepts demonstrated limited control over the creation of these storms.
- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
There's nothing in the lore that confirms Veitch's interpretation or the author's interpretation of the Force Storm ability as according to the lore itself. If the lore and the interpretation are contradicting with each other. Then the interpretation of the author is wrong and death of the author can be applied. Like what, I stated firstly, it depends on the circumstances.
I never thought anakin was stronger than Vader. I always assumed we were suppose to compare Vader do what a akin would have been.
@CRISIS, where would you scale
Starkiller/Gallen Marek ?
Great video!
How do you covert lightspeed to picoseconds?
Well I always thought it was the lighting but then i realized his death was attributed to the sith magic keeping him alive after he turned back it was fleeing his body so he mirrored padmes death as he felt the pain of what he caused to others and his wife.
I believe Lucas said it all in those lines, after all what he says its law in the star wars mythos.
Anakin had the potential to be as twice powerful as the emperor, but in revenge of the sith he was raw strenght no wisdom, no experience enough, no control, he was far away from being that man, he was probably slight stronger than obi wan, but to me they were on par. but to be honest if he was on par with obi wan he was far from sidious and yoda power level. Now as vader he was like lucas said probably 20% below the emperors power, which is really strong and powerful and would destroy his revenge of the sith former self, being a better wiser and smarter duelist, and being an unstoppable force with the force. his suit hindered his potential to be probably the strongest force user in the star wars mythos, but as vader he was stronger than his younger former self and still one of the greatest sith of all time below palpatine tho.
Death of the author dude. If it’s not in the text, it’s as good as fan fiction. In my opinion, I tend to agree with Lucas’s opinion, but it’s only head canon.
@@thomasffrench3639 true, now its kinda tough. Because for example, now Obi wan after that display is probably one of the strongest force users. That display of the force was probably something yoda would be able to achieve.
Stupid take, NGL.
"This is Anakin Skywalker, the most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation." This alone is...look man, did you even watch the video?
@IDK-lt5dl Sadly, that's the common take among casuals who don't care enough to look into the context of the Anakin vs Obi Wan fight.
please put him in a versus battle!!!!!
It would be great if you could do Valkorian and other characters from the TOR era
Yea
There is one piece of canon that we can mostly agree on tho, that Dark Lord ain’t producing no Force Lightning with those terminator hands of his.
I am also of the opinion that Vader was more powerful than Anakin, the sources tend to back this up.
Anyway, I don't think it's even as much of controversy anymore, in modern SW discussions I mean. Back then, Oh man, you could start a damn flame war with that argument.
Its tended to believed that that Vader's power is higher than Anakin, but he can never reach the pinnacle Anakin may have made.
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Only if you throw out all stories that is not a mere Lucas interview, whom is incredibly inconsistent in his universes scaling ranging from Lucas having the New Hope novel portray Vader as superior to Ben, only for Lucas to claim that Ben being stronger is why Vader didn't use Telekinesis against him. Or saying that being old or a cripple made the original cast bad at lightsaber fighting in the phantom menace, only for the very next movie to portray Dooku, an old man, and Yoda, a crippled old alien, as the best duelists. Background info from what Lucas felt at the time doesn't matter compared to the dozens of stories that actually made it to pen and paper. Lucas has no knowledge of the EU, so as far as he's concerned, Sidious was static in power, but all the stories show otherwise, so Vader has the majority of power of DE Sidious. That's how you can rectify the consistent portrayal of Vader growing as a sith while keeping the limitation in check. And no, we're not ignoring content like Dark Empire which predates the prequels.
Well if we do the math I would say his power lvl is atleest over 8,000-9000;)?
We appreciate more Legends, True Star Wars.
There is evidence that certain actions can increase or decrease individual midichlorian count or even surpass force abilities in your midichlorians you have available. Or even a non Force sensitive becoming force sensitive.
Vader may be fast, but not faster than Luke in BF lmao
Anakin was the Strongest in the Jedi side...But Darth Vader was another Beast...Keep in Mind "Dark side of the Force is a Pathway to many Abilitys...Some Consider to be Unnatural...Dark side made Vader Stronger...he would have slaughtered Anakin...and Kenobi.....
So Dooku used universal levels of power to… throw a table?
It is stated and I’m not sure where I remember reading this but I’m positive it’s a legends novel, possibly one of the ones chronicaling the yuzhaan vongs invasion of the galaxy but it basically says that’s force users are able to be more Intuned with hyperspace and even other dimensions as the force permeates the entire universe it is only under extreme circumstances where the force itself can shut itself off to some like it had wit the yuuzhan vong
Naruto fans be like: Kakashi can take him
Facts. Legends Vader would easily solo Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi imo.
Lol this trolling
@@ibnHussein23 Vader tosses them across Space-Time.
Tbh I'd argue you don't even need to use death of the author to disprove the Vader downplay regarding Lucas's statement. The statement has always been a reference to Anakin's potential rather than his actual power, after losing the duel on mustafar he lost POTENTIAL, but that doesn't mean that Vader two decades later is weaker than his younger self.
To my knowledge there is absolutely nothing to suggest that episode 3 Anakin unironically would beat Vader at his peak, its merely a misunderstanding of statements from Lucas and the novels, talking about how an Anakin who never got injured would have been way stronger in the sense that he'd grow even further and faster than he did as a cyborg.
He didn't loss potential Lucas sell star war
@@amoghsawant3801 we're talking about legends dude, which is the original extended universe.
In canon? Yeah Vader didn't lose potential.
vader is fodder
@@thesupremeking8715 ok
@@thesupremeking8715 he did. That's what Lucas was referring to. He had the potential to double Sidious power and now he doesn't
I firmly believe that Anakin brought the balance to the force and ultimately brought Obi-Wan and Luke to their full potential by sacrificing his own. His emotional flaws ultimately were vital to the story. Had he not fought Obi-Wan and lost, then he wouldn't know what it felt like to be abandoned and left to die and he wouldn't have broken while watching Luke be shocked to death. Had he won that fight or gotten away unscathed, the force would bend to the dark side.
You know your subject.nice