Anakin Skywalker, Force Powers Force Crush (Legends) Force Choke (Canon and Legends) Beast Mastery (Legends) Farsight (Legends) Saber Throw (Legends) Telekinesis (Legends) Force Scream (Legends) In the ruined archive hall of LiMerge Power's plasma facility, Count Dooku waited for Kenobi and Skywalker to arrive. The room was enormous by any standard, thirty meters high and three times that in circumference. More droids appeared. To Dooku, this was nothing more than a game, Obi-Wan told himself. But if it was a demonstration of Force ability Dooku wanted, then Anakin was still more than willing to provide it. "Dooku!" he howled. With such force and wrath that the ceiling of the vast hall began to collapse. Source: Labyrinth of Evil Qey’Tek Meditation (Legends) “Vanish,” said Obi-Wan… and disappeared within the Force. Following his lead, Anakin disappeared after him. Source: Clone Wars Gambit: Stealth Force Stealth (Legends) He’d even used it twice while racing. Had somehow managed to vanish not only himself but his Pod, startling his targets so badly they’d both crashed out as he zoomed by, laughing. Source: Clone Wars Gambit: Stealth Drain Resistance (Legends) Anakin made an emergency trip to Ulic-Qel Droma's tomb on Rhen Var. There, the ancient Jedi gave the Padawan the knowledge he needed to resist the effects of the Force Harvester and destroy the Dark Reaper. Ulic-Qel Droma's lessons had been learned well, and Anakin had the power to resist the Harvester. Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #107 Created by ancient Sith Lords during the Great Hyperspace War, the Dark Reaper is a Force-draining weapon rediscovered by the Krath and used in the Great Sith War. At its heart is a device known as a Force Harvester, which drains the life essence from all living things around it. When activated, the Dark Reaper drains the life forces in the surrounding area, channeling that energy to boost the power of its turbolasers. More than just a weapon of mass destruction, the Dark Reaper can defend itself using the very Force energy it steals from nearby living beings. Source: Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide Jedi Mind Trick (Canon and Legends) The room exploded into motion, with Anakin rushing to Obi-Wan’s side, club patrons leaping up all about them, bristling with nervous energy. "Easy!" Anakin said loudly, putting his hands in the air, imbuing his voice with the strength of the Force. "Official business. Go back to your drinks." Gradually, very gradually, the club resumed its previous atmosphere, with conversations beginning again. Seemingly unconcerned, Obi-Wan motioned for Anakin to help him, and together they helped the assassin out to the street. Source: Attack of the Clones Novelization Force Barrier (Legends) The next storm-shield generator overloaded just as Anakin reached it. He had a split second's warning, one hammer blow from the Force. The storm seemed to hold its breath... and then exhaled in renewed fury as the generator erupted in a burning light show of sparks. With a scream like a wounded animal, the shield overhead collapsed and a maelstrom of theta particles poured through the gap. He acted on instinct-and out of sheer bloody-minded terror. Throwing up his hands he used the Force to hold back the stream of theta particles, and with a shout of rage became one with the storm shield. Rejected the storm. He thought he could feel his blood bubbling. He was losing himself, disappearing in the scarlet vortex of the Force as it consumed him and transformed him into fire. And there was his mother, whispering again. He can help you. He was meant to help you. Furious, Anakin stood against the storm. "It was the most awful thing I've ever seen," Qui-Gon had told him, so many years ago. "Theta storms kill in two ways, you see. If you're contaminated from a distance, well, it takes a long time to die. But if you are in the storm's path it will rip you to pieces then melt your bones. I've seen it kill both ways, and both ways are cruel. Better to be swallowed alive by a Sarlacc." Anakin felt the explosion heartbeats before it happened. Sweating and trembling with the effort of holding back the theta storm, ignoring the villagers who'd come to see what was going on, he tried to send Obi-Wan a warning-but his mind was so bludgeoned by the quicksilver torrent of keeping the raging storm at bay that he couldn't feel his former Master's presence. ~ How long had he been standing there, holding back the storm? Probably less than an hour. It felt like days. Years. He didn't have much time before the choice of whether to let go or endure would be out of his hands. Even the Chosen One had limits. ~ And now he was probably the only Jedi who could turn himself into a living storm shield. ~ Master. "I know you couldn't. I'm not angry. If anything, I'm astonished. Anakin, what you managed..." Obi-Wan shook his head. "I'm not certain that Yoda himself could've held this wretched storm back the way you did, for as long as you did. You saved the village." Source: Clone Wars Gambit: Siege Speed (Legends) Durability (Canon and Legends) Strength (Canon and Legends) His hands seized Obi-Wan's wrists with impossible strength, forcing his arms wide. "I am so sick of your lectures!" Dark power bore down with his grip. Obi-Wan felt the bones of his forearms bending, beginning to feather toward the greenstick fractures that would come before the final breaks. Oh, he thought. Oh, this is bad. With Anakin's grip on his wrists bending his arms near to breaking, forcing both their lightsabers down in a slow but unstoppable arc, Obi-Wan let go. Source: Revenge of the Sith Novelization Anakin Skywalker, Lightsabers Master of Djem So, with enough knowledge to trick Dooku into thinking he was a Shien and Ataru practitioner (Canon and Legends) And only then did Dooku understand that he’d been suckered. Skywalker’s Shien ready-stance had been a ruse, as had his Ataro gymnastics; the boy was a Djem So stylist, and as fine a one as Dooku had ever seen.. Source: Revenge of the Sith Novelization Also skilled enough to modify Ataru (Canon) Contends with Dooku (Multiple times throughout the Clone Wars) (Canon and Legends) Contends with Obi-Wan, losing only when he makes an arrogant decision (Canon and Legends) Darth Vader, Force Powers Saber Throw (Legends) Telepathy (Legends) Memory Walk (Legends) Kinetite (Legends) Force Illusion (Legends) Psychometry (Canon) Telekinesis (Canon) Force Barrier (Legends) Tutaminis (Legends) Beast Mastery (Legends) Force Crush (Legends) Force Stun (Legends) Tash and Zak both started to back away, but Vader held up one finger and they both froze, held in place by the power of the dark side. Source: Galaxy Of Fear: Clones Force Scream (Legends) Another roar from Vader. Part of the ceiling gave way. Durasteel melted, smoke rose from the debris. Ferus leaped over a gaping hole in the floor and attacked Vader again, but his lightsaber cut through empty air. Source: Last Of The Jedi: Reckoning Drain Knowledge (Canon and Legends) Luke withdrew further into shadow. He tried to hide, but there was no way to hide what was in his mind-Leia was in pain. Her agony cried to him now, and his spirit cried with her. He tried to shut it out, to shut it up, but the cry was loud, and he couldn't stifle it, couldn't leave it alone, had to cradle it openly, to give it solace. Vader's consciousness invaded that private place. “No!” screamed Luke. Vader was incredulous. “Sister? Sister!” he bellowed. “Your feelings have now betrayed her, too... Twins!” he roared triumphantly. “Obi-Wan was wise to hide her, but now his failure is complete.” Source: Return Of The Jedi Novelization Force Choke (Legends) Vader came out of nowhere, raising a gloved hand. Ferus felt himself lifted up, over Vader's head. He couldn't breathe. "You should know before you die that your dream is dead," Vader said. "Don't you know I can bow anyone to my will?" Ferus was slammed against the wall. He felt himself losing consciousness. Source: Last Of The Jedi: Reckoning Force Combustion (Legends) Angrily, Vader waved one hand across the room. One by one, the hidden weapons exploded and sputtered as if struck by invisible lightning. The blaster fire stopped. Source: Galaxy of Fear: Clones Shatterpoint (Canon) Darth Vader observed the chaos surrounding the Devastator and reordered it behind the red glow of his mask. He recognized the maneuvers of fighter squadrons on both sides, identified pilots who broke from their formations to better or worse effect. He saw the battle in microcosm and macrocosm, was instinctively aware of how each shot could contribute to ultimate victory or defeat. Yet only the cruiser concerned him. He made a single stroke of his hand as the enemy came into firing range. Source: Rogue One Novelization Force Flight+Speed (Legends) Strength (had previously been killed by 2 flamethrowers and willed himself back to life) (Legends) Durability (Legends) Darth Vader, Lightsabers Utilized a hybrid style (Legends) His style borrowed elements from all techniques of combat, even from the highest, most dangerous levels, and his moves were crisp and unpredictable. Source: Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader Defeats 4/8 Jedi shortly after Mustafar (Legends) Defeats An’ya Kuro (Legends) Armorweave Cloak (Legends) A material used in clothing, armorweave draped like cloth and helped dissipate blaster or Lightsaber energy. Count Dooku had an underlayer to his cape that was made of costly, fine-grade armorweave fabric. Darth Vader's capes incorporated armorweave. Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Power Anakin has unprecedented power in the Force, making him the most powerful Force user in history: This makes Anakin, in effect, a Jedi Master, a rank that Anakin, with his unprecedented power in the Force, feels has been long overdue. Source: Star Wars Miniatures: Ultimate Missions: Revenge of the Sith Anakin Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi in history: This is Anakin Skywalker: The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace. He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it. Source: Revenge of the Sith Gillard also reports that the duel will explain how Obi-Wan is able to defeat his protege, even though Anakin has been established as the most powerful Jedi who ever lived. Source: The Making of Revenge of the Sith "Fully defeated by just anyone, the dark side cannot be, but only by the Chosen One. And who might be this Jedi? Know I do not, but not yet born is he or she. This much, sense I can. A vessel of pure Force the Chosen One will be, more powerful than any Jedi in history." Source: Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force Even after all these months, she couldn't make herself entirely believe that actual Jedi blood ran in her veins-not only Jedi blood, but the blood of arguably the most powerful Jedi in history. Source: Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor Anakin is the most powerful Jedi in more than a millennium: Anakin Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi in over a thousand years. Source: Star Wars Miniatures: Ultimate Missions: Revenge of the Sith Anakin is the most powerful Jedi of his time, and still growing in strength: At nine years of age he had been an expert Podracer; by twenty-one he would have been a galactic champion. With or without Qui-Gon's or Watto's help, he would eventually have won the Boonta Eve race, and his reputation would have been made. He would have bought freedom for himself, his mother, all the slaves in Mos Espa, gone on to win the Grand Races on Malastare, been hailed in the gambling casinos on Ord Mantell and Coruscant. He wouldn't have become a Jedi--he would have been too old to train--would never have learned to wield a lightsaber. But he would have been able to fly rings around the finest of Jedi pilots, including Saesee Tiin. And he still would have been stronger in the Force than any of them. Source: Labyrinth of Evil "Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger." Source: Revenge of the Sith "We won't try, Anakin. We will do. After all, they are only Senators. Most of them couldn't hide what they're thinking from a brain-damaged blindworm, let alone the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy." Source: Revenge of the Sith Obi-Wan Kenobi has endured the unenviable task of training the Jedi Order's most powerful and headstrong young Jedi, Anakin Skywalker. Source: Star Wars Miniatures: Ultimate Missions: Revenge of the Sith One of the most powerful Jedi Knight of his time, Anakin was prophesized to bring balance to the Force. Some members of the Jedi Council distrusted his immense power and emotion. Source: Force Collection The Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker is the greatest hero of a Republic at war and has proved his bravery on many battlefields. Source: The Clone Wars: Visual Guide Anakin is one of the most powerful Jedi in history: Anakin Skywalker's rise to power was astonishing. He went from being a slave on Tatooine to one of the most powerful Jedi ever. Source: Force Collection Re-live the incredible battle between two of the most powerful Jedi of all - as they fight to the finish on a Trade Federation Cruiser! Source: Battle Arena: Federation Cruiser Anakin Skywalker grows vastly more powerful after Ahsoka Tano leaves the Jedi Order: But Ahsoka eventually became disillusioned and left the Jedi Order, an act which Anakin regretted. The Clone Wars continued, and Anakin became a hero and grew vastly in power. Source: www.starwars.com/databank/anakin-skywalker Anakin is more powerful than anyone on the Jedi Council as of Revenge of the Sith - including the likes of Yoda, Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and so on: Clearly Anakin was as strong in the Force as any Jedi who had ever sat on the Council. Source: Labyrinth of Evil "What? How can you do this? This is outrageous! It’s unfair! I’m more powerful than any of you. How can you be on the Council and not be a Master?" "Take a seat, young Skywalker . . ." ... Everything in his life had led to this point because Anakin Skywalker’s destiny had been subverted and warped by well-meaning but blind Masters, sending him off on a tangent to do a flawed Palpatine’s bidding instead of realizing his own full power. I’m more powerful than any of you. It was a boy’s expression of anger, but it was true. Source: Legacy of the Force: Bloodlines Darth Sidious concedes that Anakin is potentially more powerful than him: "He is powerful. Potentially more powerful than even myself." Source: Revenge of the Sith Darths Sidious and Tyranus agree that Anakin Skywalker is the greatest Jedi alive: "An embarrassment you can survive, Lord Tyranus. After all, he is the greatest Jedi alive, is he not?" Source: Revenge of the Sith Anakin is much more powerful than Count Dooku: "Soon, I shall have a new apprentice. One far younger and more powerful." Source: Revenge of the Sith Sidious then turned his attention to Anakin Skywalker, knowing that young Skywalker was much stronger in the Force than Tyranus. Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia Sidious bared his teeth, but only briefly. "Darth Tyranus knew what he risked, Lord Vader. If he had been stronger in the dark side, you would be dead, and he would be my right hand." Source: Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader Re-live the incredible battle between two of the most powerful Jedi of all - as they fight to the finish on a Trade Federation Cruiser! Only the strongest Jedi remains-will it be the light side or the dark side of the Force? Source: Battle Arena: Federation Cruiser Sidious is merely playing for time until he is ready to replace Tyranus with a new, more powerful apprentice, who will help him to achieve his ultimate aim: utter subjugation of the galaxy under Sith rule and the formation of a merciless new order - the Galactic Empire. Source: Revenge of the Sith Incredible Cross-Sections Anakin's power is compared to that of Zonama Sekot, a sentient planet: The being projecting the image of Anakin Skywalker had all the resources of a planet behind it, yet still it radiated uncertainty. It was easy to believe that it was the child Luke's father had once been, enormously powerful, tempted by the dark side but still too young to know what was right or wrong. Source: The New Jedi Order: Force Heretic III: Reunion Anakin Skywalker's powers grow as he descends into the dark side: "You have done well, my new apprentice. Do you feel your power growing?" "Yes, my Master." Source: Revenge of the Sith He could feel his power growing, indeed. He had the measure of his “Master” already; not long after Palpatine shared the secret of Darth Plagueis’s discovery, their relationship would undergo a sudden … transformation. Source: Revenge of the Sith By this point, Anakin's Force abilities are unparalleled: Palpatine elevated himself to the position of Emperor, and dispatched Vader as his ultimate enforcer. With his unparalleled Force abilities, Vader swept through the Jedi Temple. Source: Databank (old): Darth Vader Anakin Skywalker is immensely more powerful than Shaak Ti: Shaak Ti was at the Jedi Temple when Vader attacked, and narrowly escaped death at the hands of the immensely more powerful Sith Lord. Source: The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection #51 Anakin Skywalker's powers are boundless: Skywalker was seduced by the dark side of the Force. His boundless abilities fueled a sense of pride that hastened his fall. Source: web.archive.org/web/20110910222533/www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthvader/index.html As Palpatine, he befriended Skywalker, becoming a close friend and a fatherly authority to a youthful warrior often confused by his seemingly boundless power and abilities he had at his disposal. Source: web.archive.org/web/20110913045252/www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthsidious/index.html Anakin's raw power is infinitely greater than even experienced Jedi Masters' expertise in the Force, even though Jedi Masters can unlock powerful secrets that few Jedi can even dream of comprehending: The clone troopers are methodical, but Skywalker is merciless. He wields his lightsaber like a scythe, cutting down anyone foolish enough to get in his way. Even experienced Jedi Masters fall, for their expertise in the Force is nothing before the raw power Anakin can unleash. Source: Star Wars Miniatures: Ultimate Missions: Revenge of the Sith A deep understanding of the Force is a must, for a Jedi Master is able to unlock powerful secrets that few Jedi even dream of comprehending. Source: Threats of the Galaxy
Most of the Jedi council are there in the hope that he or she catches his lightsaber blade long enough with their bodies so that the stronger council members get a chance to hit vader to be real it’s just madara vs the shinobi all over again
An addition to Grevious, his key ability is intimidation and surprise. Dooku told him so when easily handing him in training. Fright and a lack of confidence for a force user is a self fulfilling prophecy of being unable because you believe you can’t. “That is why you fail” like Yoda said. On a normal day, those who got beaten by Grevious would be stronger but then again if against Vader, they might mentally shit themselves too and be just as bad if not worse. Really depends on who can keep their cool.
Honestly Vader probably could do it but i think the combined teamwork of the stronger members could more than likely do more damage than one would think and give them the win. But even having this conversation is something and speaks volumes on vader.
I wonder this too. Throwing Obi into the mix too is problematic as his defensive mastery means he's gonna last a while and prioritize any openings he can get.
@captainmalcolmreynolds1526 anakin during his duel with obi wan in rots was stronger then mace and tied with yoda... vader is much much stronger then rots anakin
@@Comet_373no anakin during the obi wan fight hadn’t slept or eaten for 3 days you can find this in the novelisation he was weak as fuck during that fight
@@captainmalcolmreynolds1526yoda spaming telekinetic rocks damaging Vader’s force wall while mace hits anakin with a flurry of attacks getting stronger with each strike thanks to his broken combat abilities
IMO, Vader would definitely have the most trouble with Mace and Yoda; a reasonable amount with Obi Wan being that he was his former master. Vader could probably overpower the rest of the council without much difficulty.
suit vader lost to OWK 10 years out of practice obi-wan (obi received "twin amp" but this is a big anti feat for vader regardless) suit vader comes to his prime somewhere around RoTJ and he still loses to unexperienced luke (luke should by all logic be weaker than KF vader or "zonakin" (version of him that trashed dooku after briefly channeling the dark side) ) suit vader can´t take yoda and mace at the same time and win - he is too slow for them - suit vader gets tagged into his suit frequntly - ahsoka and obi wan both destroyed half his mask , obi wan destroyed his chest control pannel , ESB luke tagged him on the shoulder , RoTJ luke cuts his hand off ... to be honest yoda could probably solo him , mustafar kenobi could solo him as well . add mace and it is a done deal . the rest of the council are basically fodder but they are not needed in this fight . the big trio would stomp suit vader . not to mention windus style vaapad would be channeling vaders hate back at him ... anakins / vaders overall prime is operation knightfall - at that point he was probably the strongest character in the galaxy (after his injuries he lost his potential to surpass sidious , he lost his agility and mobility and he had to completely redo his fighting style) .
@@darkglobe406Luke is litterally the most powerful Jedi by the time he fights Vader and loses his arm . He then fights a conflicted Vader while amped with rage , Luke Skywalker unironically soloes the Jedi council.
Excellent analysis! They finally understand how strong Darth Vader is. The Dark Lord wipes the floors with every Jedi from the temple, but in my opinion he would have big problems with Yoda, but he still remains one of the strongest! I remember Sidious's words: "You have no equal among the Jedi and Sith of the past and present, Lord Vader! ".
This is one of the coolest power scaling videos I’ve ever seen. This deserves way more views Also what songs are playing during the Mace and Yoda segments?
God I love Crisis' star wars videos, we really need more star wars versus videos from you. I'm thinking a 2v2 type thing, maybe Anakin and Obi Wan (Post IH) vs Darth Bane and Darth Zannah (Dynasty of Evil) or possible Ani & Obi (Post IH) vs Arcann and Thexan (KOTOR trailer)
Adding to the Galen vs Shaak Ti thing, wasn't it mentioned Felucia at the time was a Light Side nexus? This, potentially, implying she was more powerful then normal? That could further ruin chances of scaling her to Starkiller's feats
I'd like to see more content on the generation of Skywalkers that follows Luke, comparing them to previous Jedi or Sith. I think they all have some crazy feats that would be interesting to scale to other notable figures in Jedi/Sith history. Ben Skywalker by the end of Fate of the Jedi is my favorite Star Wars character ever, and even though he never got to keep evolving and getting more powerful, it would be cool to see where he scales with the feats he did achieve
I wouldn't mind a Darth vitiate or darth Cadeus video. Revan could also be fun to talk about given his character. I personally believe Revan at his absolute strongest should be stronger then obi wan but that's just me.
@@williamsummerson1204 Revan is definitely overrated, his power and skills are also dramatically overhyped. Revan is not even close to as powerful as his fanboys make him to be. the ancient sith were powerful but they were all basically weak and mediocre compared to modern sith like Vader and Sidious .
It also should be noted in Ep 3 novelization it’s even stated that Anakin is stronger than any Jedi that Yoda has ever known before. While it’s debated if Anakin is equal or surpasses Mace and Yoda, the fact he’s being compare to the two strongest shows how powerful Anakin was in Ep 3. Again Ep 2 guidebook stated Anakin was already Yoda level if not more powerful only lacking skill and experience. Also one year before New hope, Vader fights Galen Marek. Galen during his training fights against Jedi mannequins that were strong as the original individuals. These mannequin’s were the entire Jedi council, Galen disarmed and force pushed Plo Koon, dismembered Coleman and Mace, melted Kit Fisto, threw and blasted out Anakin, Obi Wan, Mundi, Saesee, Agen Kolar and Shaak Ti got destroyed by his force lightning, Stass Allie got beheaded and finally flung and destroyed Yoda. Vader faced the later and more trained Galen Marek and while he did underestimated him at first still put up a fight against him. Then when he had a rematch with Galen, Vader destroyed him and trying not to kill him. Proving Vader already surpassed the council. In Ep 6 novelization Vader was outright stated to be the strongest man in the galaxy including Luke. The same Luke surpasses his Ep 5 self who was stated to be stronger than any Jedi in history. Vader only being second to Sidious. Ep 6 novelization Sidious states Vader’s force powers have become more powerful than ever before including his Knightfall self. Yeah Vader definitely surpassed the council.
Yeah I was waiting for another crisis great analysis! Could You power scale all movie batmen, now that we could see batkeaton fight in the flash movie? That would be very interesting.
No he couldn't. Yoda alone would be enough for him, now take Plo koon and Mace windu in and its already over. Take them out and Vader easily soloed the entire jedi temple and not only the council.
Plo Koon & Yoda would be the biggest physical challenge, with Obi-Wan being his biggest mental distraction. Don't forget that Vader's whole style of fighting is based on Jedi philosophy & techniques oddly cemented by these very members. Vader knows them better than perhaps they know themselves. Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are fundamentally different people and mindsets, and Vader learned from Anakin's mistakes.
I'm pretty sure starkiller could defeat cole. Nothing can defeat bad ending cole because he can rebuild himself from nothing, you could nuke him and completely obliterate his body and he'll still come back, making him immortal. The only thing that can truly kill him is something like the RFI.
@@daniellewis4371 wouldn’t starkiller killing a ghost circumvent that tho, as you could argue that starkillers force lightning exists from a higher dimension if we’re using legends material. Sorry, I haven’t played any infamous game, I only know a bit on the scaling so feel free to correct me if there’s anything that is important to bad ending cole
This is a really great video detailing about how powerful is Legends Continuity Darth Vader and how he pretty much soloed the Jedi High Council at the End of the Clone Wars. I was wondering if you could do a versus video against Legends Darh Vader vs Uchiha Obito/Tobi from Naruto, it will answer my burning question on who will win in a fight between these two iconic characters.
This was really cool and really puts into perspective how overpowered Vader can be. Because even if you don't think Darth Vader could actually solo the entire Prequal era Council by himself, the fact that he can do that to them outside of possibly the top 3 masters and the fact this is even a serious and debatable topic just makes the Dark Lord of the Sith that much more terrifying. Also, I just thought of this, but do you think you can make a video on either a battle royal between the Champions from BOTW and AOC or them against Link from those games (no Tears of the Kingdom obviously so it is as fair as possible)? Because while there is precedent for the Hero of the Wild to win against any of them by killing the Blight Ganons, holding off all 4 at once for a bit without the Champion powers and his full arsenal from Breath of the Wild and only getting overwhelmed by the Hallows in Age of Calamity when they jumped him, I'm curious to know if the 4 strongest of 4 of the 5 dominant species in Hyrule have realistic win conditions against their friend.
Haven't started yet but: Most members are consulars not sentinels or guardians. They're strong and reliant on the force but not good in cqc. Most likely it'll be Yoda leading them combining their power to blast or contain Vader while Mace, Obi, and Mundi do the initial blitz. I think he has a solid chance but all of them at once might prove too much. If the first blitz fails then GG for the council
I’d love for you to do a video on legends Vader vs canon Vader. Or just comparing legends to canon in general. I’ve always been interested in knowing which canon is superior across the board and how they compare.
It's funny how in lore Canon Vader got way more powerful than Canon Anakin than Legends Vader got over Legends Anakin (George being very keen on Vader actually being weaker, but being retconned later by other authors), but Legends Anakin would destroy Canon Vader just because of how different the scaling is
@@CRISIS_COMICS I actually did give it somewhat of a watch but I only watched it passively because I didn’t want any spoilers since I’m currently playing survivor right now haha. I’ll give it a rematch once I finish the game! Btw just wanna say keep up the good work, never seen someone more detailed yet straight to the point as you. Love your content!!
Great video, but I'm curious about something, you stated that Sidious was stronger against Yoda than when he fought Windu, but wasn't Yoda also nerfed because of said Order? I remember there was a scene where his body started weakening
I believe it was said in the novel he hadn’t eaten or sleep in days and shaak ti even says that he should be in the medical wing so he wasn’t at his best
I know its Disney Canon only, but there is a comic where Vader, unrestricted by his suit and briefly given back his full potential in the force, was able to bully the entire council and even kill Sidious. Granted it was just a vision by the Force, but it was still the closest thing to a canon "what if" we have.
I know your comment is a year old, but that event wasn’t a vision. It’s explicitly stated to have actually happened. Vader Goes into the force and fights exact replicas of the entire Jedi counsel and bodies all of them at once. We don’t know how much stronger Vader was at the time, it’s implied he at least lost any nerf from his cybernetics. However, nowhere is it stated he was buffed during that fight, only unnerfed. And since ROTJ Vader overcame pretty much every nerf he was given as well as reaching new heights of power. It’s safe to say even cannon Vader would absolutely embarrass and strike debilitating amounts of fear into the entire counsel.
Could you legends clone army vs canon clone army in terms of which is better? Either as a while but with specifying particular clone units or a specific unit vs unit comparison such as legend arc troopers like alpha-17, alpha-77 fordo, clan skirata arcs and comparing them to the bad batch. Also a comparison between the galactic empire in legends to canon would be cool
Doesn’t Yoda get weaker with age? Also, Dagobah is a dark side nexus I believe which may have NERFED him against his Darkside opponent/gave the opponent an advantage.
@@CRISIS_COMICS heard. Random question as well. Do you think Vader solos the flood from Halo? The flood would get knowledge of the force. If not, I feel like the empire in general could overcome it. You have Palpy, Thrawn, and Vader vs a Grave Mind.
The council would definitely bested him a bit easily. However 1v1 slowly through the council might be a different situation. Problem with Vader is he underestimates characters like Obi Wan(Kenobi show) but then in Battlefront 2 he’s like “Yoda, do not underestimate him”. If he were able to keep himself calm and not use the Dark Side against Mace Windu he might win mid tier. If he doesn’t play around with Ben then he should be able to disarm him. Yoda might take the cake.
All at once, no way, but one on one or in small groups, definitely! Windu and Yoda versus Vader though at ANY time would have been a loss for Vader IMO, a tough fight for them both but I just can't fathom defeating the both of them, at once - one on one, I think he'd beat them both just because he is Vader, but if it was more like a Game of Thrones or Walking Dead universe where really anyone can die, then I think he would beat them individually, but would 100% die or be permanently ruined for his efforts, there's no way you face Windu AND Yoda without leaving "Scarrrred and deforrrmed"
He would destroy them ALL at once. Even Anakin could do this and: ROTJ Vader >>>>> ESB Vader > ANH Vader >>>>>>>> MFV/KFV > POST IH Anakin Skywalker >= Master Yoda > The ENTIRE Jedi Council.
LUKE SKYWALKER was stronger than Yoda by the time of Empire Strikes Back and lost his initial fight with Vader and only beat a conflicted Vader while amped . Yoda fought an early Vader for a day and a half and that Vader pales in comparison to The Vader in A new hope and THAT is nothing to Return of The Jedi Vader . Stop meat riding Yoda
Do you mind makng a video of darth vader vs darth sidious with both of them at their apex of power? I know you mentioned some things on this topic on your summary of darh vaders power in legends but im just curious in terms of feats, raw force power, any amps and dueling skills could vader actually pull off beating a prime darth sidious or even his heir to the empire version. Is there anything about darth vader that is deemed severely underrated that could give him a strong advantage over palpatine? Im not an expert in legends but this is something ive thought about for a bit after watching some of your videos. This was another great one!
So, are the feats used here from both canon and non-canon materials for the Jedi Council because that's what it seemed like - arguing composites for these characters.
1v1 yes, 1vAll no way. He was immensely powerful and had insane strength as well as dueling technique and experience. He could 1v1 anyone, except maybe Mace
So plo koon offers electric judgement as fire support Yoda concetrates so as Vader doesn't force overwhelm the others while Mundi and Mace, obi wan, kit fisto and shak ti fight vader while the rest are all casualties.
Bro this is the best match up out there. If you used Sidious during the time of Vader than we know he would be able to beat all three. He became much and I mean leagues stronger after the fall of the jedi order.
Anh Vader would low diff these guys he is 80 % of full potential Sidious and Rots Sidious who is just beginning to activate more of his powers and is still weaker than Prime Vader already gave prime Yoda and prime Mace a challange that should tell you something
The yuzhong vhong the force resistant and lightsaber proof gods who fought against Darth Kryat and Luke Skywalker are scared of Palpatine if that dosen't tell you that Palpatine the most powerful sith lord then I don't know what else can convince you
@@acegabrielcruz3687 and I didn't even bring the vong into this. As for my view on Rule of 1 vs galactic empire, the 1 sith stomp and here's why: Battle droids in micro series could'nt even scratch 1 Jedi. Imperial forces will have the same problem with the sith tho in a WAY more impossible manner for low powered force lightning can 1 shot an ATaT Darth Trooper Phase 3 and force crush star destroyer executor. Then theirs Darth Wyyrloks sith illusion which can mindr### millions of units to fight each other, making the fight easier for the sith to win. plus they got more advanced technology.
I’m pretty sure he could the biggest issue wouldn’t even be yoda or mace it’ll be himself … I’m in the camp that if padme lived( even tho Vader had his body destroyed) he’d be stronger then sidious like during the og canon he had nothing but the empire and sidious so he had no reason to rebel
Awesome video 💯, vader can definitely defeat all of the council because he is more powerful and skilled then all of them. It would still be a fight though especially with the more powerful jedi like yoda and windu but the rest will fall easily to vader.
Ahe hardly whooped him did she. He was playing with her at first and then when he got bitch slapped he focused up and killed her, albiet whilst skirting close to getting stabbed himself
with mace i hate that he was going to kill sidious after always being so hard on anikin about following the Jedi ways...And killing sidious at that point was not the jedi way no matter what or how or what ever sidious was...just not their way.......I agree sidious is way to dangerous to stay alive but you do that at a later point! I mean anakin cut his arm off he didnt kill him...at that point he just at that point wanted windu to follow Jedi teachings and not kill the chancellor but put him on trial...Then sidious wams him with the lightning which anakin didnt even think about i imagine...and then he is locked in...in his mind! Just handled horribly from the day they didnt back asoka was the day i feel the Jedi order was no longer the Jedi order completely! Just a ton of bad decisions not just on anakin is all i am saying ! Great cast! Good content well presented! It shows a point that i have thought about ...I always thought it all about the order in which you kill the members on who wins! Is how i see it!
If Windu didn't kill Sidious than there would've been no way for them to truly defeat him or stop him. He literally is the Senate. He could literally buy the courts and walk away scott free. Killing him was the only way. Besides, Anakin did not have the best intentions in mind when he mentioned the Jedi way to Windu. He was thinking entirely about himself and what Sidious would do for him. Anakin has disregarded Jedi way before when it was convenient.
@closegripbenchpress489 no ancient sith lords are more powerful the dark side wasn't so diluted at that time they knew more abilities skills and had more knowledged of the force than vader, exar kun is estate by the source to be the most powerful and dangerous sith lord near 4000 years before the birth of luke Skywalker, exar kun had the knowledged of over 10,000 years of sith magic archemy rituals lightsaber skills, exar kun mastered all sith magic and abilities that will overwhelmed vader, exar kun has hax abilities like dark force lightning dark tendrils, he could burn your blood the force, also his force blast that destroyed a temple that weighted over 70,000 tons, exar kun also learned lightsaber skills and techniques from tulak hord, king adas marka ragnos and the jedi exiled, he mastered all lightsaber forms too and stole knowledged from the ancient jedi and rakatas exar kun mastered dark rage to the highest degree to a point when he never gets tired while doing it, dark rage is force Valor but far more potent, exar kun was a threat to the cosmic force in the tales of the jedi guide, his spirit escalate to NJO grandmaster luke Skywalker and was a threat to the universe.
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 There's no statements of the dark side being stronger in the old times and actually there's a lot of statements most coming from the RO2 that the dark side grew stronger across generations jumping from host to host. Most of old sith knowledge was lost or destroyed, that has nothing to do with power and both sidius and vader have access to that information since you know vader fought or visited said ancients. Neither of those sith like tulak are actually good with lightsabers compared to vader, tulak only upscales from revan. That whole exar kun thing is not only an outlier but he actually drained and took powers that weren't his so an amped exar scales to a weakend luke , guess what vader scales to a stronger luke that fought the von invasion. Regarding the sidius deal, his strongest version is DE if you exclude the rise of skywalker, yeah . But phantom menace sidius was stated to be stronger than any sith/force user prior and it was wondered if the dark side had been this strong before meaning sidius made the dark side stronger than before. So, You're wrong.
I’m not sure where this under estimation for obi-Wan is coming from. In episode one he could sense the Sith right off the bat when Quagen could not. As an apprentice He single-handedly destroyed a Seth lord that scales to the Council members. Stalemates Anakin in a push fight. He is easily one of the most powerful Jedi in history. In the second Dooku fight there were two Sith Lords in that room by the way
Windu never won. In the novelization of the movie, sidious had him the entire time. In the movie, sidious caught him and had his saber at his face and windu was defenseless. Now we all know how fast sidious is, if he wanted to execute the killing strike he would have. He mockingly just held his saber at him in a taunt, he needed the situation to push Anikin to the dark side which he did. He was so in control of the situation, he was able to kill 3 powerful Jedi in an instant and duel the master of the order and manipulate the situation to his advantage intentionally. Windu never was on his level and that’s really all there is to it.
Current scaling chain ROTJ Sidious>Darth Vader ROTJ>Darth Vader ESB>Darth Vader NH>Post Order 66 Sidious>=Prime Yoda>Galen Marek>=Vaapad Amped Windu>Pre Order 66 Sidious>KFV>=Mace Windu>ESB Luke>Ben Kenobi>Count Dooku>ROTS Anakin>=Shaak Ti Prime>Prime Grevious>=Obiwan Kenobi>=Conflicted Anakin
A more entertaining battle is prime legends Vader swapped in for knight fall anakin with 501st legion assist vs the entire Jedi order all 10,000 throw in qui gon from phantom menace resurrect all Jedi who died during the 3 years of the clone wars the whole shebang with the clones and vaders younglings massacre moves prevail find out next time on Star Wars z kai
The Obi-Wan show is Disney canon, not Legends. This video is using Legends feats and scaling per the title.
You bite your tongue/fingers, legends is canon Disney is fan fic and I won't hear or read otherwise! (lol)
Anakin Skywalker, Force Powers
Force Crush (Legends)
Force Choke (Canon and Legends)
Beast Mastery (Legends)
Farsight (Legends)
Saber Throw (Legends)
Telekinesis (Legends)
Force Scream (Legends)
In the ruined archive hall of LiMerge Power's plasma facility, Count Dooku waited for Kenobi and Skywalker to arrive. The room was enormous by any standard, thirty meters high and three times that in circumference. More droids appeared. To Dooku, this was nothing more than a game, Obi-Wan told himself. But if it was a demonstration of Force ability Dooku wanted, then Anakin was still more than willing to provide it. "Dooku!" he howled. With such force and wrath that the ceiling of the vast hall began to collapse.
Source: Labyrinth of Evil
Qey’Tek Meditation (Legends)
“Vanish,” said Obi-Wan… and disappeared within the Force. Following his lead, Anakin disappeared after him.
Source: Clone Wars Gambit: Stealth
Force Stealth (Legends)
He’d even used it twice while racing. Had somehow managed to vanish not only himself but his Pod, startling his targets so badly they’d both crashed out as he zoomed by, laughing.
Source: Clone Wars Gambit: Stealth
Drain Resistance (Legends)
Anakin made an emergency trip to Ulic-Qel Droma's tomb on Rhen Var. There, the ancient Jedi gave the Padawan the knowledge he needed to resist the effects of the Force Harvester and destroy the Dark Reaper. Ulic-Qel Droma's lessons had been learned well, and Anakin had the power to resist the Harvester.
Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #107
Created by ancient Sith Lords during the Great Hyperspace War, the Dark Reaper is a Force-draining weapon rediscovered by the Krath and used in the Great Sith War. At its heart is a device known as a Force Harvester, which drains the life essence from all living things around it. When activated, the Dark Reaper drains the life forces in the surrounding area, channeling that energy to boost the power of its turbolasers. More than just a weapon of mass destruction, the Dark Reaper can defend itself using the very Force energy it steals from nearby living beings.
Source: Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide
Jedi Mind Trick (Canon and Legends)
The room exploded into motion, with Anakin rushing to Obi-Wan’s side, club patrons leaping up all about them, bristling with nervous energy. "Easy!" Anakin said loudly, putting his hands in the air, imbuing his voice with the strength of the Force. "Official business. Go back to your drinks." Gradually, very gradually, the club resumed its previous atmosphere, with conversations beginning again. Seemingly unconcerned, Obi-Wan motioned for Anakin to help him, and together they helped the assassin out to the street.
Source: Attack of the Clones Novelization
Force Barrier (Legends)
The next storm-shield generator overloaded just as Anakin reached it. He had a split second's warning, one hammer blow from the Force. The storm seemed to hold its breath... and then exhaled in renewed fury as the generator erupted in a burning light show of sparks. With a scream like a wounded animal, the shield overhead collapsed and a maelstrom of theta particles poured through the gap. He acted on instinct-and out of sheer bloody-minded terror. Throwing up his hands he used the Force to hold back the stream of theta particles, and with a shout of rage became one with the storm shield. Rejected the storm. He thought he could feel his blood bubbling. He was losing himself, disappearing in the scarlet vortex of the Force as it consumed him and transformed him into fire. And there was his mother, whispering again. He can help you. He was meant to help you. Furious, Anakin stood against the storm. "It was the most awful thing I've ever seen," Qui-Gon had told him, so many years ago. "Theta storms kill in two ways, you see. If you're contaminated from a distance, well, it takes a long time to die. But if you are in the storm's path it will rip you to pieces then melt your bones. I've seen it kill both ways, and both ways are cruel. Better to be swallowed alive by a Sarlacc." Anakin felt the explosion heartbeats before it happened. Sweating and trembling with the effort of holding back the theta storm, ignoring the villagers who'd come to see what was going on, he tried to send Obi-Wan a warning-but his mind was so bludgeoned by the quicksilver torrent of keeping the raging storm at bay that he couldn't feel his former Master's presence.
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How long had he been standing there, holding back the storm? Probably less than an hour. It felt like days. Years. He didn't have much time before the choice of whether to let go or endure would be out of his hands. Even the Chosen One had limits.
~
And now he was probably the only Jedi who could turn himself into a living storm shield.
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Master. "I know you couldn't. I'm not angry. If anything, I'm astonished. Anakin, what you managed..." Obi-Wan shook his head. "I'm not certain that Yoda himself could've held this wretched storm back the way you did, for as long as you did. You saved the village."
Source: Clone Wars Gambit: Siege
Speed (Legends)
Durability (Canon and Legends)
Strength (Canon and Legends)
His hands seized Obi-Wan's wrists with impossible strength, forcing his arms wide. "I am so sick of your lectures!" Dark power bore down with his grip. Obi-Wan felt the bones of his forearms bending, beginning to feather toward the greenstick fractures that would come before the final breaks. Oh, he thought. Oh, this is bad. With Anakin's grip on his wrists bending his arms near to breaking, forcing both their lightsabers down in a slow but unstoppable arc, Obi-Wan let go.
Source: Revenge of the Sith Novelization
Anakin Skywalker, Lightsabers
Master of Djem So, with enough knowledge to trick Dooku into thinking he was a Shien and Ataru practitioner (Canon and Legends)
And only then did Dooku understand that he’d been suckered. Skywalker’s Shien ready-stance had been a ruse, as had his Ataro gymnastics; the boy was a Djem So stylist, and as fine a one as Dooku had ever seen..
Source: Revenge of the Sith Novelization
Also skilled enough to modify Ataru (Canon)
Contends with Dooku (Multiple times throughout the Clone Wars) (Canon and Legends)
Contends with Obi-Wan, losing only when he makes an arrogant decision (Canon and Legends)
Darth Vader, Force Powers
Saber Throw (Legends)
Telepathy (Legends)
Memory Walk (Legends)
Kinetite (Legends)
Force Illusion (Legends)
Psychometry (Canon)
Telekinesis (Canon)
Force Barrier (Legends)
Tutaminis (Legends)
Beast Mastery (Legends)
Force Crush (Legends)
Force Stun (Legends)
Tash and Zak both started to back away, but Vader held up one finger and they both froze, held in place by the power of the dark side.
Source: Galaxy Of Fear: Clones
Force Scream (Legends)
Another roar from Vader. Part of the ceiling gave way. Durasteel melted, smoke rose from the debris. Ferus leaped over a gaping hole in the floor and attacked Vader again, but his lightsaber cut through empty air.
Source: Last Of The Jedi: Reckoning
Drain Knowledge (Canon and Legends)
Luke withdrew further into shadow. He tried to hide, but there was no way to hide what was in his mind-Leia was in pain. Her agony cried to him now, and his spirit cried with her. He tried to shut it out, to shut it up, but the cry was loud, and he couldn't stifle it, couldn't leave it alone, had to cradle it openly, to give it solace. Vader's consciousness invaded that private place. “No!” screamed Luke. Vader was incredulous. “Sister? Sister!” he bellowed. “Your feelings have now betrayed her, too... Twins!” he roared triumphantly. “Obi-Wan was wise to hide her, but now his failure is complete.”
Source: Return Of The Jedi Novelization
Force Choke (Legends)
Vader came out of nowhere, raising a gloved hand. Ferus felt himself lifted up, over Vader's head. He couldn't breathe. "You should know before you die that your dream is dead," Vader said. "Don't you know I can bow anyone to my will?" Ferus was slammed against the wall. He felt himself losing consciousness.
Source: Last Of The Jedi: Reckoning
Force Combustion (Legends)
Angrily, Vader waved one hand across the room. One by one, the hidden weapons exploded and sputtered as if struck by invisible lightning. The blaster fire stopped.
Source: Galaxy of Fear: Clones
Shatterpoint (Canon)
Darth Vader observed the chaos surrounding the Devastator and reordered it behind the red glow of his mask. He recognized the maneuvers of fighter squadrons on both sides, identified pilots who broke from their formations to better or worse effect. He saw the battle in microcosm and macrocosm, was instinctively aware of how each shot could contribute to ultimate victory or defeat. Yet only the cruiser concerned him. He made a single stroke of his hand as the enemy came into firing range.
Source: Rogue One Novelization
Force Flight+Speed (Legends)
Strength (had previously been killed by 2 flamethrowers and willed himself back to life) (Legends)
Durability (Legends)
Darth Vader, Lightsabers
Utilized a hybrid style (Legends)
His style borrowed elements from all techniques of combat, even from the highest, most dangerous levels, and his moves were crisp and unpredictable.
Source: Dark Lord: The Rise Of Darth Vader
Defeats 4/8 Jedi shortly after Mustafar (Legends)
Defeats An’ya Kuro (Legends)
Armorweave Cloak (Legends)
A material used in clothing, armorweave draped like cloth and helped dissipate blaster or Lightsaber energy. Count Dooku had an underlayer to his cape that was made of costly, fine-grade armorweave fabric. Darth Vader's capes incorporated armorweave.
Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Power
Anakin has unprecedented power in the Force, making him the most powerful Force user in history:
This makes Anakin, in effect, a Jedi Master, a rank that Anakin, with his unprecedented power in the Force, feels has been long overdue.
Source: Star Wars Miniatures: Ultimate Missions: Revenge of the Sith
Anakin Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi in history:
This is Anakin Skywalker:
The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace.
He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it.
Source: Revenge of the Sith
Gillard also reports that the duel will explain how Obi-Wan is able to defeat his protege, even though Anakin has been established as the most powerful Jedi who ever lived.
Source: The Making of Revenge of the Sith
"Fully defeated by just anyone, the dark side cannot be, but only by the Chosen One. And who might be this Jedi? Know I do not, but not yet born is he or she. This much, sense I can. A vessel of pure Force the Chosen One will be, more powerful than any Jedi in history."
Source: Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force
Even after all these months, she couldn't make herself entirely believe that actual Jedi blood ran in her veins-not only Jedi blood, but the blood of arguably the most powerful Jedi in history.
Source: Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor
Anakin is the most powerful Jedi in more than a millennium:
Anakin Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi in over a thousand years.
Source: Star Wars Miniatures: Ultimate Missions: Revenge of the Sith
Anakin is the most powerful Jedi of his time, and still growing in strength:
At nine years of age he had been an expert Podracer; by twenty-one he would have been a galactic champion. With or without Qui-Gon's or Watto's help, he would eventually have won the Boonta Eve race, and his reputation would have been made. He would have bought freedom for himself, his mother, all the slaves in Mos Espa, gone on to win the Grand Races on Malastare, been hailed in the gambling casinos on Ord Mantell and Coruscant. He wouldn't have become a Jedi--he would have been too old to train--would never have learned to wield a lightsaber. But he would have been able to fly rings around the finest of Jedi pilots, including Saesee Tiin.
And he still would have been stronger in the Force than any of them.
Source: Labyrinth of Evil
"Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger."
Source: Revenge of the Sith
"We won't try, Anakin. We will do. After all, they are only Senators. Most of them couldn't hide what they're thinking from a brain-damaged blindworm, let alone the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy."
Source: Revenge of the Sith
Obi-Wan Kenobi has endured the unenviable task of training the Jedi Order's most powerful and headstrong young Jedi, Anakin Skywalker.
Source: Star Wars Miniatures: Ultimate Missions: Revenge of the Sith
One of the most powerful Jedi Knight of his time, Anakin was prophesized to bring balance to the Force. Some members of the Jedi Council distrusted his immense power and emotion.
Source: Force Collection
The Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker is the greatest hero of a Republic at war and has proved his bravery on many battlefields.
Source: The Clone Wars: Visual Guide
Anakin is one of the most powerful Jedi in history:
Anakin Skywalker's rise to power was astonishing. He went from being a slave on Tatooine to one of the most powerful Jedi ever.
Source: Force Collection
Re-live the incredible battle between two of the most powerful Jedi of all - as they fight to the finish on a Trade Federation Cruiser!
Source: Battle Arena: Federation Cruiser
Anakin Skywalker grows vastly more powerful after Ahsoka Tano leaves the Jedi Order:
But Ahsoka eventually became disillusioned and left the Jedi Order, an act which Anakin regretted.
The Clone Wars continued, and Anakin became a hero and grew vastly in power.
Source: www.starwars.com/databank/anakin-skywalker
Anakin is more powerful than anyone on the Jedi Council as of Revenge of the Sith - including the likes of Yoda, Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and so on:
Clearly Anakin was as strong in the Force as any Jedi who had ever sat on the Council.
Source: Labyrinth of Evil
"What? How can you do this? This is outrageous! It’s unfair! I’m more powerful than any of you. How can you be on the Council and not be a Master?"
"Take a seat, young Skywalker . . ."
...
Everything in his life had led to this point because Anakin Skywalker’s destiny had been subverted and warped by well-meaning but blind Masters, sending him off on a tangent to do a flawed Palpatine’s bidding instead of realizing his own full power.
I’m more powerful than any of you.
It was a boy’s expression of anger, but it was true.
Source: Legacy of the Force: Bloodlines
Darth Sidious concedes that Anakin is potentially more powerful than him:
"He is powerful. Potentially more powerful than even myself."
Source: Revenge of the Sith
Darths Sidious and Tyranus agree that Anakin Skywalker is the greatest Jedi alive:
"An embarrassment you can survive, Lord Tyranus. After all, he is the greatest Jedi alive, is he not?"
Source: Revenge of the Sith
Anakin is much more powerful than Count Dooku:
"Soon, I shall have a new apprentice. One far younger and more powerful."
Source: Revenge of the Sith
Sidious then turned his attention to Anakin Skywalker, knowing that young Skywalker was much stronger in the Force than Tyranus.
Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Sidious bared his teeth, but only briefly. "Darth Tyranus knew what he risked, Lord Vader. If he had been stronger in the dark side, you would be dead, and he would be my right hand."
Source: Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader
Re-live the incredible battle between two of the most powerful Jedi of all - as they fight to the finish on a Trade Federation Cruiser! Only the strongest Jedi remains-will it be the light side or the dark side of the Force?
Source: Battle Arena: Federation Cruiser
Sidious is merely playing for time until he is ready to replace Tyranus with a new, more powerful apprentice, who will help him to achieve his ultimate aim: utter subjugation of the galaxy under Sith rule and the formation of a merciless new order - the Galactic Empire.
Source: Revenge of the Sith Incredible Cross-Sections
Anakin's power is compared to that of Zonama Sekot, a sentient planet:
The being projecting the image of Anakin Skywalker had all the resources of a planet behind it, yet still it radiated uncertainty. It was easy to believe that it was the child Luke's father had once been, enormously powerful, tempted by the dark side but still too young to know what was right or wrong.
Source: The New Jedi Order: Force Heretic III: Reunion
Anakin Skywalker's powers grow as he descends into the dark side:
"You have done well, my new apprentice. Do you feel your power growing?"
"Yes, my Master."
Source: Revenge of the Sith
He could feel his power growing, indeed. He had the measure of his “Master” already; not long after Palpatine shared the secret of Darth Plagueis’s discovery, their relationship would undergo a sudden … transformation.
Source: Revenge of the Sith
By this point, Anakin's Force abilities are unparalleled:
Palpatine elevated himself to the position of Emperor, and dispatched Vader as his ultimate enforcer. With his unparalleled Force abilities, Vader swept through the Jedi Temple.
Source: Databank (old): Darth Vader
Anakin Skywalker is immensely more powerful than Shaak Ti:
Shaak Ti was at the Jedi Temple when Vader attacked, and narrowly escaped death at the hands of the immensely more powerful Sith Lord.
Source: The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection #51
Anakin Skywalker's powers are boundless:
Skywalker was seduced by the dark side of the Force. His boundless abilities fueled a sense of pride that hastened his fall.
Source: web.archive.org/web/20110910222533/www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthvader/index.html
As Palpatine, he befriended Skywalker, becoming a close friend and a fatherly authority to a youthful warrior often confused by his seemingly boundless power and abilities he had at his disposal.
Source: web.archive.org/web/20110913045252/www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthsidious/index.html
Anakin's raw power is infinitely greater than even experienced Jedi Masters' expertise in the Force, even though Jedi Masters can unlock powerful secrets that few Jedi can even dream of comprehending:
The clone troopers are methodical, but Skywalker is merciless. He wields his lightsaber like a scythe, cutting down anyone foolish enough to get in his way. Even experienced Jedi Masters fall, for their expertise in the Force is nothing before the raw power Anakin can unleash.
Source: Star Wars Miniatures: Ultimate Missions: Revenge of the Sith
A deep understanding of the Force is a must, for a Jedi Master is able to unlock powerful secrets that few Jedi even dream of comprehending.
Source: Threats of the Galaxy
@hitandruncommentor you sound like a child
You didn’t bring up shatter point
Most of the Jedi council are there in the hope that he or she catches his lightsaber blade long enough with their bodies so that the stronger council members get a chance to hit vader to be real it’s just madara vs the shinobi all over again
I will no longer take a seat at the council, for I am now the master - Vader probably
An addition to Grevious, his key ability is intimidation and surprise. Dooku told him so when easily handing him in training. Fright and a lack of confidence for a force user is a self fulfilling prophecy of being unable because you believe you can’t. “That is why you fail” like Yoda said.
On a normal day, those who got beaten by Grevious would be stronger but then again if against Vader, they might mentally shit themselves too and be just as bad if not worse. Really depends on who can keep their cool.
He stops at Yaddle 🫢
How does Empire Strikes Back Yoda compare to Clone Wars Yoda?
Shhhhh 🤫
Jason victim
No
Is base mace on par with base Yoda both legends
Honestly Vader probably could do it but i think the combined teamwork of the stronger members could more than likely do more damage than one would think and give them the win. But even having this conversation is something and speaks volumes on vader.
I don’t see him 2v1 mace and yoda
I wonder this too. Throwing Obi into the mix too is problematic as his defensive mastery means he's gonna last a while and prioritize any openings he can get.
@captainmalcolmreynolds1526 anakin during his duel with obi wan in rots was stronger then mace and tied with yoda... vader is much much stronger then rots anakin
@@Comet_373no anakin during the obi wan fight hadn’t slept or eaten for 3 days you can find this in the novelisation he was weak as fuck during that fight
@@captainmalcolmreynolds1526yoda spaming telekinetic rocks damaging Vader’s force wall while mace hits anakin with a flurry of attacks getting stronger with each strike thanks to his broken combat abilities
IMO, Vader would definitely have the most trouble with Mace and Yoda; a reasonable amount with Obi Wan being that he was his former master. Vader could probably overpower the rest of the council without much difficulty.
Plo Koon exists though.
suit vader lost to OWK 10 years out of practice obi-wan
(obi received "twin amp" but this is a big anti feat for vader regardless)
suit vader comes to his prime somewhere around RoTJ and he still loses to unexperienced luke
(luke should by all logic be weaker than KF vader or "zonakin" (version of him that trashed dooku after briefly channeling the dark side) )
suit vader can´t take yoda and mace at the same time and win - he is too slow for them - suit vader gets tagged into his suit frequntly -
ahsoka and obi wan both destroyed half his mask , obi wan destroyed his chest control pannel , ESB luke tagged him on the shoulder ,
RoTJ luke cuts his hand off ...
to be honest yoda could probably solo him , mustafar kenobi could solo him as well .
add mace and it is a done deal . the rest of the council are basically fodder but they are not needed in this fight .
the big trio would stomp suit vader .
not to mention windus style vaapad would be channeling vaders hate back at him ...
anakins / vaders overall prime is operation knightfall - at that point he was probably the strongest character in the galaxy
(after his injuries he lost his potential to surpass sidious , he lost his agility and mobility and he had to completely redo his fighting style) .
Nah not Obi Wan. He hates Obi Wan and he's obviously not going to underestimate him like last time
@@darkglobe406Luke is litterally the most powerful Jedi by the time he fights Vader and loses his arm .
He then fights a conflicted Vader while amped with rage , Luke Skywalker unironically soloes the Jedi council.
@@darkglobe406bro thinks Luke Skywalker is fodder and that Disney Canon counts
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Excellent analysis! They finally understand how strong Darth Vader is. The Dark Lord wipes the floors with every Jedi from the temple, but in my opinion he would have big problems with Yoda, but he still remains one of the strongest! I remember Sidious's words: "You have no equal among the Jedi and Sith of the past and present, Lord Vader! ".
Agree
I understand how powerful he is but im not convinced of his win here i dont think he would have won
This is one of the coolest power scaling videos I’ve ever seen. This deserves way more views
Also what songs are playing during the Mace and Yoda segments?
God I love Crisis' star wars videos, we really need more star wars versus videos from you. I'm thinking a 2v2 type thing, maybe Anakin and Obi Wan (Post IH) vs Darth Bane and Darth Zannah (Dynasty of Evil) or possible Ani & Obi (Post IH) vs Arcann and Thexan (KOTOR trailer)
Adding to the Galen vs Shaak Ti thing, wasn't it mentioned Felucia at the time was a Light Side nexus? This, potentially, implying she was more powerful then normal? That could further ruin chances of scaling her to Starkiller's feats
It was a dark side nexus. So she was fighting the dark side on the planet while fighting Galen
@@hotfuzzy153 wasn’t that only after her death? I recall the novel mentioning the planet was almost entirely swayed to the light
@@hotfuzzy153It’s stated that she defused the dark side nexus there.
@hotfuzzy153 it wasn't a dark side nexus it was a light side nexus, she was massively amped
starkiller didn't beat her, she killed herself.
I'd like to see more content on the generation of Skywalkers that follows Luke, comparing them to previous Jedi or Sith. I think they all have some crazy feats that would be interesting to scale to other notable figures in Jedi/Sith history. Ben Skywalker by the end of Fate of the Jedi is my favorite Star Wars character ever, and even though he never got to keep evolving and getting more powerful, it would be cool to see where he scales with the feats he did achieve
The Skywalker line, (including his bloodline in the Solo family) is really something we need a dedicated video on.
I wouldn't mind a Darth vitiate or darth Cadeus video.
Revan could also be fun to talk about given his character. I personally believe Revan at his absolute strongest should be stronger then obi wan but that's just me.
Id also love a Nihilus video since he’s a weird character
Revan is more powerful than obi wan
@@williamsummerson1204 you mean revan is overrated
@@M_03256 Not at all. He is one of my favorites.
@@williamsummerson1204 Revan is definitely overrated, his power and skills are also dramatically overhyped. Revan is not even close to as powerful as his fanboys make him to be. the ancient sith were powerful but they were all basically weak and mediocre compared to modern sith like Vader and Sidious .
Quality content and research. Well done, champ.
Props to using clips from the fan redo of Obi and Vaders duel.
Hey crisis great video man, keep it up!
With consistent rage amps, he could probably pull it off.
Bro i just woke up you can't drop a banger like this
It also should be noted in Ep 3 novelization it’s even stated that Anakin is stronger than any Jedi that Yoda has ever known before.
While it’s debated if Anakin is equal or surpasses Mace and Yoda, the fact he’s being compare to the two strongest shows how powerful Anakin was in Ep 3. Again Ep 2 guidebook stated Anakin was already Yoda level if not more powerful only lacking skill and experience.
Also one year before New hope, Vader fights Galen Marek. Galen during his training fights against Jedi mannequins that were strong as the original individuals. These mannequin’s were the entire Jedi council, Galen disarmed and force pushed Plo Koon, dismembered Coleman and Mace, melted Kit Fisto, threw and blasted out Anakin, Obi Wan, Mundi, Saesee, Agen Kolar and Shaak Ti got destroyed by his force lightning, Stass Allie got beheaded and finally flung and destroyed Yoda.
Vader faced the later and more trained Galen Marek and while he did underestimated him at first still put up a fight against him. Then when he had a rematch with Galen, Vader destroyed him and trying not to kill him. Proving Vader already surpassed the council.
In Ep 6 novelization Vader was outright stated to be the strongest man in the galaxy including Luke. The same Luke surpasses his Ep 5 self who was stated to be stronger than any Jedi in history. Vader only being second to Sidious.
Ep 6 novelization Sidious states Vader’s force powers have become more powerful than ever before including his Knightfall self.
Yeah Vader definitely surpassed the council.
And mortis aswell
@@Fusion237 not that
Awesome video man
Request: each of the different King Ghidorahs (from across the eras and films) Vs MCU avengers?
Crisis uploads are always a W
Been waiting since that stream dono :)
Did I just hear that Vader can catch hands? Dang the dark side is brutal
Crisis, I love your vids man, BUT WHAT IS THIS KENOBI SLANDER!!!
The truth hurts
@@CRISIS_COMICS awe come on mannnn, cut him some slack, his willpower alone should be worth a single compliment!!!
Is this what you were working on? NICE!!
Grinding in my laboratory
Great video. I would love to see you rank the smartest people in DC Comics and then Marvel🙏
Yeah I was waiting for another crisis great analysis!
Could You power scale all movie batmen, now that we could see batkeaton fight in the flash movie? That would be very interesting.
If Vader is bloodlusted, he absolutely is able to beat all of them.
No he couldn't. Yoda alone would be enough for him, now take Plo koon and Mace windu in and its already over. Take them out and Vader easily soloed the entire jedi temple and not only the council.
@@HippieButterfly9010it's already stated vader surpassed the council
Plo Koon & Yoda would be the biggest physical challenge, with Obi-Wan being his biggest mental distraction. Don't forget that Vader's whole style of fighting is based on Jedi philosophy & techniques oddly cemented by these very members. Vader knows them better than perhaps they know themselves. Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are fundamentally different people and mindsets, and Vader learned from Anakin's mistakes.
Vader would beat Mace Windu because Vader's Saber form is defensive and calculated which is a great counter against Vapad
Great vid crisis 💯
Could you do Disney canon Vader vs legends Vader?
Overkill
EU vader has more feats
Vader wins due to superior scaling
Really cool vid!
legends vader is a beast
W.
Request: Jaden Korr (novels) vs Starkiller (prime novels)
Looking forward to this!
Crisis you should get into Mortal Kombat scaling.
One video I would love to see is Cole from infamous versus starkiller. It would also be neat if you did darth starkiller vs bad ending Cole as a bonus
I'm pretty sure starkiller could defeat cole. Nothing can defeat bad ending cole because he can rebuild himself from nothing, you could nuke him and completely obliterate his body and he'll still come back, making him immortal. The only thing that can truly kill him is something like the RFI.
@@daniellewis4371 wouldn’t starkiller killing a ghost circumvent that tho, as you could argue that starkillers force lightning exists from a higher dimension if we’re using legends material. Sorry, I haven’t played any infamous game, I only know a bit on the scaling so feel free to correct me if there’s anything that is important to bad ending cole
This is a really great video detailing about how powerful is Legends Continuity Darth Vader and how he pretty much soloed the Jedi High Council at the End of the Clone Wars.
I was wondering if you could do a versus video against Legends Darh Vader vs Uchiha Obito/Tobi from Naruto, it will answer my burning question on who will win in a fight between these two iconic characters.
Shaak Ti is underrated. Legends Shaak
This was really cool and really puts into perspective how overpowered Vader can be. Because even if you don't think Darth Vader could actually solo the entire Prequal era Council by himself, the fact that he can do that to them outside of possibly the top 3 masters and the fact this is even a serious and debatable topic just makes the Dark Lord of the Sith that much more terrifying. Also, I just thought of this, but do you think you can make a video on either a battle royal between the Champions from BOTW and AOC or them against Link from those games (no Tears of the Kingdom obviously so it is as fair as possible)? Because while there is precedent for the Hero of the Wild to win against any of them by killing the Blight Ganons, holding off all 4 at once for a bit without the Champion powers and his full arsenal from Breath of the Wild and only getting overwhelmed by the Hallows in Age of Calamity when they jumped him, I'm curious to know if the 4 strongest of 4 of the 5 dominant species in Hyrule have realistic win conditions against their friend.
Haven't started yet but: Most members are consulars not sentinels or guardians. They're strong and reliant on the force but not good in cqc. Most likely it'll be Yoda leading them combining their power to blast or contain Vader while Mace, Obi, and Mundi do the initial blitz. I think he has a solid chance but all of them at once might prove too much. If the first blitz fails then GG for the council
CRISIS can you do a video on Legends Knightfall Vader vs Legends ROTJ Vader.
He’d need to get through Liam the padawan first I’m afraid
How were they prepared for a vader that had only existed for a month? Thats some crazy recon
I’d love for you to do a video on legends Vader vs canon Vader. Or just comparing legends to canon in general. I’ve always been interested in knowing which canon is superior across the board and how they compare.
Watch my Starkiller VS Cal Kestis video.
It's funny how in lore
Canon Vader got way more powerful than Canon Anakin than Legends Vader got over Legends Anakin (George being very keen on Vader actually being weaker, but being retconned later by other authors), but Legends Anakin would destroy Canon Vader just because of how different the scaling is
@@passarovoador6662I was hoping that video would convey things like that.
@passarovoador6662 Disney vader is overrated and lack of feats
@@CRISIS_COMICS I actually did give it somewhat of a watch but I only watched it passively because I didn’t want any spoilers since I’m currently playing survivor right now haha. I’ll give it a rematch once I finish the game! Btw just wanna say keep up the good work, never seen someone more detailed yet straight to the point as you. Love your content!!
Destiny 2 music... love it
I think he could take any of them, but all at once? I doubt it, many would die, but I think eventually they'd be able to overwhelm him
Great video, but I'm curious about something, you stated that Sidious was stronger against Yoda than when he fought Windu, but wasn't Yoda also nerfed because of said Order? I remember there was a scene where his body started weakening
In the fight between Sidious and Windu, didn’t Anakin have trouble seeing their fight because of how fast they were moving?
I believe it was said in the novel he hadn’t eaten or sleep in days and shaak ti even says that he should be in the medical wing so he wasn’t at his best
where do you get all these DK books from?
A match up I want to see you cover is little mach (punch out) vs the super boxer (totally accurate battle simulator).
LMAO THE DESTINY MUSIC IS SUCH A TOUCH!
Idk if he could beat them all because of mace, yoda, plo koon, obi wan, in my opinion those are his main challenges
Vader too goated to lose
All that work on this video just for Rick the Door Technician to humilate Prime Vader
I know its Disney Canon only, but there is a comic where Vader, unrestricted by his suit and briefly given back his full potential in the force, was able to bully the entire council and even kill Sidious. Granted it was just a vision by the Force, but it was still the closest thing to a canon "what if" we have.
I know your comment is a year old, but that event wasn’t a vision. It’s explicitly stated to have actually happened. Vader Goes into the force and fights exact replicas of the entire Jedi counsel and bodies all of them at once. We don’t know how much stronger Vader was at the time, it’s implied he at least lost any nerf from his cybernetics. However, nowhere is it stated he was buffed during that fight, only unnerfed. And since ROTJ Vader overcame pretty much every nerf he was given as well as reaching new heights of power. It’s safe to say even cannon Vader would absolutely embarrass and strike debilitating amounts of fear into the entire counsel.
Could you legends clone army vs canon clone army in terms of which is better? Either as a while but with specifying particular clone units or a specific unit vs unit comparison such as legend arc troopers like alpha-17, alpha-77 fordo, clan skirata arcs and comparing them to the bad batch.
Also a comparison between the galactic empire in legends to canon would be cool
The 2003 clone wars proved that Legends Clones and droids are better and more skilled than their canon counter parts no emotions just made for war
Also u forgot to mention plo beat yoda in a practive duel, which is the only time yoda ever lost a duel even if it was a practice
Doesn’t Yoda get weaker with age? Also, Dagobah is a dark side nexus I believe which may have NERFED him against his Darkside opponent/gave the opponent an advantage.
The fight happened same year as RotS, Yoda was also able to amp himself on Vjun which is a dark side nexus.
@@CRISIS_COMICS heard. Random question as well. Do you think Vader solos the flood from Halo? The flood would get knowledge of the force. If not, I feel like the empire in general could overcome it. You have Palpy, Thrawn, and Vader vs a Grave Mind.
@@CalvinBloopers love the Bungie games and Infinite but I haven’t really scaled Halo too throughly. Sorry.
@@CRISIS_COMICSwhat about a planet of Xenomorphs? 😂 lol. I just discovered this channel and am systematically finding all the star wars content.
The council would definitely bested him a bit easily. However 1v1 slowly through the council might be a different situation. Problem with Vader is he underestimates characters like Obi Wan(Kenobi show) but then in Battlefront 2 he’s like “Yoda, do not underestimate him”. If he were able to keep himself calm and not use the Dark Side against Mace Windu he might win mid tier. If he doesn’t play around with Ben then he should be able to disarm him. Yoda might take the cake.
This video is on Legends. It’s in the title. The Kenobi show and BF2 are Disney canon.
@@CRISIS_COMICS ahhh should have read that important detail.
All at once, no way, but one on one or in small groups, definitely! Windu and Yoda versus Vader though at ANY time would have been a loss for Vader IMO, a tough fight for them both but I just can't fathom defeating the both of them, at once - one on one, I think he'd beat them both just because he is Vader, but if it was more like a Game of Thrones or Walking Dead universe where really anyone can die, then I think he would beat them individually, but would 100% die or be permanently ruined for his efforts, there's no way you face Windu AND Yoda without leaving "Scarrrred and deforrrmed"
Yoda counters vader tho he woudln't win solo, but with Mace it's a whole other story, even nerfed Obi One defeated Vader, lol
He would destroy them ALL at once. Even Anakin could do this and:
ROTJ Vader >>>>> ESB Vader > ANH Vader >>>>>>>> MFV/KFV > POST IH Anakin Skywalker >= Master Yoda > The ENTIRE Jedi Council.
LUKE SKYWALKER was stronger than Yoda by the time of Empire Strikes Back and lost his initial fight with Vader and only beat a conflicted Vader while amped .
Yoda fought an early Vader for a day and a half and that Vader pales in comparison to The Vader in A new hope and THAT is nothing to Return of The Jedi Vader .
Stop meat riding Yoda
Cool video Crisis just curious who is your favorite Star Wars character?
Darth Vader could never beat Dale Gribble for one reason ... POCKET SAND
Do you mind makng a video of darth vader vs darth sidious with both of them at their apex of power? I know you mentioned some things on this topic on your summary of darh vaders power in legends but im just curious in terms of feats, raw force power, any amps and dueling skills could vader actually pull off beating a prime darth sidious or even his heir to the empire version. Is there anything about darth vader that is deemed severely underrated that could give him a strong advantage over palpatine?
Im not an expert in legends but this is something ive thought about for a bit after watching some of your videos. This was another great one!
So, are the feats used here from both canon and non-canon materials for the Jedi Council because that's what it seemed like - arguing composites for these characters.
1v1 yes, 1vAll no way. He was immensely powerful and had insane strength as well as dueling technique and experience. He could 1v1 anyone, except maybe Mace
So plo koon offers electric judgement as fire support Yoda concetrates so as Vader doesn't force overwhelm the others while Mundi and Mace, obi wan, kit fisto and shak ti fight vader while the rest are all casualties.
Bro this is the best match up out there. If you used Sidious during the time of Vader than we know he would be able to beat all three. He became much and I mean leagues stronger after the fall of the jedi order.
It would definitely be a very close fight
Anh Vader would low diff these guys he is 80 % of full potential Sidious and Rots Sidious who is just beginning to activate more of his powers and is still weaker than Prime Vader already gave prime Yoda and prime Mace a challange that should tell you something
here's a good one. The ENTIRE galactic empire vs The entire Rule of 1 Sith (Darth Krayt)
The yuzhong vhong the force resistant and lightsaber proof gods who fought against Darth Kryat and Luke Skywalker are scared of Palpatine if that dosen't tell you that Palpatine the most powerful sith lord then I don't know what else can convince you
@@acegabrielcruz3687 Krayt also damaged Abeloth which scales above sidious
@@acegabrielcruz3687 and I didn't even bring the vong into this.
As for my view on Rule of 1 vs galactic empire, the 1 sith stomp and here's why:
Battle droids in micro series could'nt even scratch 1 Jedi. Imperial forces will have the same problem with the sith tho in a WAY more impossible manner for low powered force lightning can 1 shot an ATaT Darth Trooper Phase 3 and force crush star destroyer executor.
Then theirs Darth Wyyrloks sith illusion which can mindr### millions of units to fight each other, making the fight easier for the sith to win.
plus they got more advanced technology.
@@abstraction6212 with Luke Skywalker's help of course why didn't Abeloth attack when Sidious was ruling the galaxy then 😂😂😂😂
Destiny music fits so much into star wars
Was that a yoda pun when you said he needs “little” introduction if so good on you great joke😂😂 if not it’s still funny
I’m pretty sure he could the biggest issue wouldn’t even be yoda or mace it’ll be himself … I’m in the camp that if padme lived( even tho Vader had his body destroyed) he’d be stronger then sidious like during the og canon he had nothing but the empire and sidious so he had no reason to rebel
Batman who laughs vs superior spiderman?
Probably yeah
Probably yeah
@@CRISIS_COMICS yea?😭
Awesome video 💯, vader can definitely defeat all of the council because he is more powerful and skilled then all of them. It would still be a fight though especially with the more powerful jedi like yoda and windu but the rest will fall easily to vader.
I also question could starkiller solo the jedi counsel.
I feel he’d be fairly high up but idk about solo necessarily
I can’t believe Cere whooped Vader in Jedi survivor.
It honestly felt like respawn was nerfing him to make her seem stronger
Ahe hardly whooped him did she. He was playing with her at first and then when he got bitch slapped he focused up and killed her, albiet whilst skirting close to getting stabbed himself
did anyone else realize the destiny 1 music.
Was there a reason that you didn’t really reference the second Vader Vs. Kenobi fight from the Obi-Wan Kenobi series?
This is a Legends video. The Kenobi series doesn't occur in Legends. It's only Disney Canon.
He said this is a Legends video at 1:10 if you're wondering.
@@knightowl4523 ahhhh. Okay. I was confused by that at the beginning! (I was listening to this while driving)
@@ntcnetwork9934 It's also in the title...
0:56 Which game is that!
Rank the council!! Please obviously 😂
What cartoon is the one with grievous ? I've seen clones wars but that the other one
Vader could just snap the necks of almost all council members with the snap of his fingers
And people still say revan can beat vader
That's because Revan fanboys don't use actual facts. They just make up knowledge to overate him
In a single player game with checkpoints
with mace i hate that he was going to kill sidious after always being so hard on anikin about following the Jedi ways...And killing sidious at that point was not the jedi way no matter what or how or what ever sidious was...just not their way.......I agree sidious is way to dangerous to stay alive but you do that at a later point! I mean anakin cut his arm off he didnt kill him...at that point he just at that point wanted windu to follow Jedi teachings and not kill the chancellor but put him on trial...Then sidious wams him with the lightning which anakin didnt even think about i imagine...and then he is locked in...in his mind! Just handled horribly from the day they didnt back asoka was the day i feel the Jedi order was no longer the Jedi order completely! Just a ton of bad decisions not just on anakin is all i am saying ! Great cast! Good content well presented! It shows a point that i have thought about ...I always thought it all about the order in which you kill the members on who wins! Is how i see it!
the jedi do kill, and sidious was still trying to attack him. he wasnt really defenseless
If Windu didn't kill Sidious than there would've been no way for them to truly defeat him or stop him. He literally is the Senate. He could literally buy the courts and walk away scott free. Killing him was the only way.
Besides, Anakin did not have the best intentions in mind when he mentioned the Jedi way to Windu. He was thinking entirely about himself and what Sidious would do for him. Anakin has disregarded Jedi way before when it was convenient.
DD Vader already did it.
I wanna see Vader vs Ancient Sith
Ancient sith are way weaker than republic era sith which are weaker than clone wars and galactic republic era sith, so vader stomps harder
@@Redoren966 valkorion is stated weaker than phantom menace sidius
@closegripbenchpress489 no ancient sith lords are more powerful the dark side wasn't so diluted at that time they knew more abilities skills and had more knowledged of the force than vader, exar kun is estate by the source to be the most powerful and dangerous sith lord near 4000 years before the birth of luke Skywalker, exar kun had the knowledged of over 10,000 years of sith magic archemy rituals lightsaber skills, exar kun mastered all sith magic and abilities that will overwhelmed vader, exar kun has hax abilities like dark force lightning dark tendrils, he could burn your blood the force, also his force blast that destroyed a temple that weighted over 70,000 tons, exar kun also learned lightsaber skills and techniques from tulak hord, king adas marka ragnos and the jedi exiled, he mastered all lightsaber forms too and stole knowledged from the ancient jedi and rakatas exar kun mastered dark rage to the highest degree to a point when he never gets tired while doing it, dark rage is force Valor but far more potent, exar kun was a threat to the cosmic force in the tales of the jedi guide, his spirit escalate to NJO grandmaster luke Skywalker and was a threat to the universe.
@@closegripbenchpress489nah you are wrong papaltine stronger version is his dark empire version, Valkorion will destroy return of the jedi papaltine
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 There's no statements of the dark side being stronger in the old times and actually there's a lot of statements most coming from the RO2 that the dark side grew stronger across generations jumping from host to host.
Most of old sith knowledge was lost or destroyed, that has nothing to do with power and both sidius and vader have access to that information since you know vader fought or visited said ancients.
Neither of those sith like tulak are actually good with lightsabers compared to vader, tulak only upscales from revan.
That whole exar kun thing is not only an outlier but he actually drained and took powers that weren't his so an amped exar scales to a weakend luke , guess what vader scales to a stronger luke that fought the von invasion.
Regarding the sidius deal, his strongest version is DE if you exclude the rise of skywalker, yeah . But phantom menace sidius was stated to be stronger than any sith/force user prior and it was wondered if the dark side had been this strong before meaning sidius made the dark side stronger than before. So, You're wrong.
I’m not sure where this under estimation for obi-Wan is coming from. In episode one he could sense the Sith right off the bat when Quagen could not. As an apprentice He single-handedly destroyed a Seth lord that scales to the Council members. Stalemates Anakin in a push fight. He is easily one of the most powerful Jedi in history. In the second Dooku fight there were two Sith Lords in that room by the way
Short answer Yes
The short answer is yes, because he constantly trains against them, and has mastered all of their Ways. In RPG terms, they are his favorite enemies.
But Grevious beat Shaggy, he has to be above Vader
Windu never won. In the novelization of the movie, sidious had him the entire time. In the movie, sidious caught him and had his saber at his face and windu was defenseless. Now we all know how fast sidious is, if he wanted to execute the killing strike he would have. He mockingly just held his saber at him in a taunt, he needed the situation to push Anikin to the dark side which he did. He was so in control of the situation, he was able to kill 3 powerful Jedi in an instant and duel the master of the order and manipulate the situation to his advantage intentionally. Windu never was on his level and that’s really all there is to it.
That's not the reality of the situation.
@@HumanB312 how so?
Current scaling chain
ROTJ Sidious>Darth Vader ROTJ>Darth Vader ESB>Darth Vader NH>Post Order 66 Sidious>=Prime Yoda>Galen Marek>=Vaapad Amped Windu>Pre Order 66 Sidious>KFV>=Mace Windu>ESB Luke>Ben Kenobi>Count Dooku>ROTS Anakin>=Shaak Ti Prime>Prime Grevious>=Obiwan Kenobi>=Conflicted Anakin
Yes and i would beat his ass afterwards, Yo crisis what you think about keyissues strongest jedi list?
I don't care about Disney canon.
Legends > Literally anything current canon
Really everything ? The clone wars tv show ? Rebels ? Everything ?
A more entertaining battle is prime legends Vader swapped in for knight fall anakin with 501st legion assist vs the entire Jedi order all 10,000 throw in qui gon from phantom menace resurrect all Jedi who died during the 3 years of the clone wars the whole shebang with the clones and vaders younglings massacre moves prevail find out next time on Star Wars z kai