I would suggest that his lack of "proper training" is his greatest strength. He is not hindered by what a Jedi CAN do, his driving force is "What does he NEED to do?" The traditional way of training a Jedi would be a handicap for Cal. Not knowing where the limits are supposed to be allows Cal to keep pushing without the concern of "will this be enough?" because it has to be enough.
Valid point. He's had no one telling him, "NO! That leads to the dark side." As a result, he seems to be able to tap into the dark side without fully giving himself over to it. Ironically, it's partly his attachment to Merrin that allows him to do that. She is his anchor in the light.
I agree with this fully. In fact it's pretty reminiscent to Luke's jedi from legends as Luke believed that hard work and dedication to the force and one's training, as well as embracing one's feelings of love for others is what brought out a Jedi's full potential. Luke also didn't believe in using midichlorian counts to measure his Jedi's potential either. Something that the prequal era of Jedi also did that limited their potential.
Its not a big deal, but you should replace your "CAN" with "SHOULD", since that's clearly what you meant in the context of the sentence. He isn't hindered by what a Jedi should(is supposed to) do. He does whatever he feels the situation requires. "Can" kinda ruins the whole statement lol, since he is most definitely utilizing everything a Jedi *can* do in order to achieve his goals.
I can sort of see this. The sequel Jedi: Survivor is called 'Survivor' for a reason, and Cal did what he had to do to survive from the Empire this entire time. I imagine Cal would have received additional training from Cere Junda, as he does recall training and lessons from both Cere and his former master as a Padawan, Jara Tapal, but obviously that time was cut short due to the pair (Cere and Cal) going their separate ways. I think Cal certainly had to learn from his experiences, he had no choice but to adapt if he was going to survive.
@@exile6688 While I agree that Cal is no slouch, putting him on par with the likes of Starkiller also doesn't feel right. Cal still exercises restrain. Marek rarely does, if at all.
I think that Cal might be so powerful because of his ability to sense information from objects. Almost like he's absorbing Jedi (and other force user) teachings whenever he's in contact with his history.
@@Cobiscrisp6476 He can learn fighting styles too by using that force hability, yeah that was also my point. if he learned a song just by touching the instrument, imagine in fighting skills what he learned with cere, malicos, ninth and mainly second sister, degon, bode and even Vader.
I wasn’t expecting Cal to be *this* powerful. He’s certainly unorthodox. From using irregular force powers to using equally irregular lightsaber fighting styles. Mostly self taught. Even opponents with great experience will never have faced someone as versatile as him. After fallen order, I thought Cal was a pretty strong, just about average Jedi with some unique skills. But after Survivor… he’s no joke. But, in the end, I adore him because he’s such a good character. And him and Merrin’s relationship is my favourite romantic relationship in Star Wars. Honestly… Merrin seems really powerful too. She certainly knows handy some handy rituals and spells. Invisibility and teleportation… Wow. We’ve rarely seen nightsister tap into all this power, except for smother Talzin herself. Maybe it has something to do with Merrin being about the only nightsister that’s left. But maybe she too has some very underrated potential in the force.
Post Jedi Survivor we can expect that Cal and Merrins relationship will only continue to grow and develop and they are likely going to be training together in combat. Honestly if they both teamed up at full power I would not expect anyone alive in that era save for Vader or Palpatine to survive that.
@@infinitedeath1384 I think so too. If Vader wants Cal disposed of he knows he can’t rely on the inquisitors to do it. He’d have to go and do it himself. Which is crazy when you think about that at the beginning of the first game Cal has almost zero connection to the force anymore. And by the time if Jedi Survivor he is practically the level of a Jedi Master.
In canon it’s also suggested by the Grand Inquisitor that following order 66 and the near eradication of the Jedi, the force tried balancing things out by blessing the few remaining Jedi, with a major boost in force power. This would explain why characters such as Cere could grow to the point of nearly defeating Darth Vader or Cal being able to take on Dagan.
@@baki484 in the canon book Star Wars dark legends which has a story where the Grand Inquisitor reflects on one of his defeats against Jedi Padawan Kira Ventala who he originally remembered as being a weak padawan back at the temple.
Eh, I think that’s not really reliable. Ultimately we are just seeing outliers, but those outliers already were outliers. Almost any jedi can actually reach extreme danger levels, but most don’t prioritize combat. So the few that do (Kenobi/Windu/) or who posses a greater intuition to unlocking those skills, (also windu/anakin, yoda) are way ahead. Toss mace windu, kenobi, probably ahsoka and kit fisto, or yoda from clone wars into the same situations Cal was in, and they’d probably utterly dominate the situation. Most of his feats that seem impressive are aoe feats mostly useful against weak enemies, but loads of jedi don’t actually need that.
@@firstnamelastname9237you are talking about Jedi masters, and a grand master. Who have trained and been trained to the highest standards. Cal is just a young man who has very limited younglin training. Everything else is self taught through trials and tribulations. Put cal into the same environment and then chances are he would excel over most Jedi masters.
Any Jedi powerful enough to survive Darth Vader on multiple occasions is already enough to put someone up there with the most powerful masters of the era, even when disregarding his other feats.
In Survivor he's still behind Cere's level, but still he's not at his peak. Hope they don't turn him a dark jedi, but rather continuing his arc which could absolutely merge with EU Luke's Jedi Academy and turning out one of the most proficient jedi (alongside the Dathomirian force user Merrin and their adopted daughter, biological seed of Bode - all this story fits so well in Luke's EU jedi academy)
@@Maddog-xc2zv nah id love him becoming the kind of jedi that aims to understand all sides of the force. I guess thats something that could fit in the EU academy
@@Maddog-xc2zvYea I’d say he’s about half as powerful as cere by the end of Jedi survivor, he’s a EXTREMELY fast learner I mean he masters mind tricks and force lift/slam very quickly after just recalling how cere used it
I perceive Cal as a younger human version of Yoda, someone who is at its core a force user with powerful consular like abilities but trained extensively or was exposed enough to lightsaber combat to be on par with above average duelists at the very least, given the characters he defeats. (yoda being much older however can even tackle Dooku/Sidious which is peak, but I mean you can't beat how ancient Yoda's race is really, tough Yoda's lightsaber skill is more intentional) As for Cal joining Luke's Jedi Order, one neat way to retcon him into it would be to put him into a position akin to Katarn's but throw him out into the wild on long term missions like scouring the galaxy for sith artifacts and holocrons, like jedi shadows used to, that might be a good way of saying "he was always there he just went unnoticed because he was out of camera" while giving an excuse to have a show with Cal and possibly Ahsoka and other new characters without having to literally rewrite cannon while still retconing it.
I definitely think Cal has unspoken consular qualities. He often tries to seek allies in people. And it worked wonders with Merrin. It took him going on his own journey, but he realised she was just another scared and scarred survivor, like himself. Of course, he also hears force echos in her story. I think it’s telling how much faith he puts in her, though, before fighting Malicos (a Jedi master, we should remind ourselves… Cal beat a Jedi master [with help]). He literally gives her his lightsaber. He may not have been told ‘this weapon is your life’, by Obi-Wan, but certainly he’s learned similar lessons. Besides, when his crystal broke… he had no choice but run for dear life to escape Dathomir. That weapon really was his life.
The creative director for both Jedi games left the company, and took a lot of senior we engineers with him, so I'm at least not holding my breath on the quality of the writing for the third game, but hopefully enough of it was outlined and enough of the original staff remains for it to be good.
I wish Cal would have an appearance in some other series. And in case something happens to him in the games, I only have one arm so I never got a chance to play them.
dont let it stop you my g! Master Jaro Tapal said: The path is difficult The obstacles in your path define the path What stands in your way becomes the way! The force will be with you my g!
I think one of Cal’s underrated feats was After restoring his connection to the force, he fought and pressured Taron Malicos in a light saber fight, Who was a former Jedi master who had turn to the Darkside and was being strengthened by the Darkside Nexxus of Dathomir. Though Cal was Inferior in the force department and needed help to defeat him.
All of the fights Cal goes in he's at a disadvantage. Against Trilla and 9th sister his connection was blocked Against Malicos he was in a darkside Nexus Against dagan he was hit with an illusion and out fenced him in the their second duel. Emotionally conflicted against Bode both times and showed superiority once no one got in his way.
Also the fact that (and no one seems to ever mention this) he stopped training in any fashion for 10 years and was separated from the force. And in the span of a few days, was able to defeat two inquisitors and a former Jedi master. Hell, the fact he didn’t just get instantly murdered by Vader should be proof alone
@@damonedrington3453 I don’t think the course of Jedi fallen order was a few days, especially with the Kashyyyk story of the empire regaining control i thought it more like a couple weeks to a few months but condensed for a game story line
@@jessicasuzanne___ he’s a main character of his game, not a main character of Star Wars. He hasn’t even appeared in any shows or such yet, so he’s behind those like Ezra and whatnot on that front.
In regards to Cal’s lightsaber skills, I’ve always been under the impression that he combined his implied talent in Form VI Niman with the simplistic blade work of Form I Shii-Cho, given that Cal was a young Padawan when Order 66 was issued and the wide sweeping attack sequences he employed.
He was with Jaro for 3 years form 1 seems to be his fallback due to his lack of confidence with form 6 after being out of practice but by end he mixed them together.
Personally hope there is no Vader cameo in the third one. They put him in everything for member berries at this point. If it's post-Empire, it might be fun to have him beat up Kylo Ren during a one-off encounter since he fancies himself the Dollar Store knock-off of Darth Vader. And he kind of deserves to get smacked around prior to his "redemption" for what he did to Han Solo. Not to mention Iden's hubby and others.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel Cal and Vader have history, plus he killed Cere. You don’t understand how storytelling works. Kylo Ren? I am greatful you have nothing to do with this series. What an awful idea.
@@dariyanvalentine3564 Vader has taken L’s before. Cal just can’t kill him. Which frankly would be a full circle for him showing he’s a true Jedi. Then we can put his arc with Vader to bed and move him into other stories. Unless they want him to die, which I am not a fan of. Especially when Disney is afraid to kill Ahsoka.
@@kingt0295I want him to learn force scream as well. He defeated one of the best duelists from the high republic era, which makes him intimidating. With force scream he'd be able to make most of the weaker opponents, especially non-force users flee in terror.
Sounds like he was very similar to Luke, everything he pretty much had to learn on this own. That is the best part no dogma, learning from both sides, and learning from scratch even in the real world is better than learning from a book.
Cal is a Jedi who has learned to use his passion for good. And any sith would know that passion is power under the right circumstances of anger through the dark side. But Cal learned patience. The sith greatest downfall was being impatient. Truely, a powerful force user to reckon with
Respawn has definitely outdone themselves with Fallen Order, and Jedi Survivor. Can’t wait for the third installment (ps wish they’d make Titanfall 3. TF2 story was amazing as well)
The fact he's faced off against Vader and a High Republic Jedi is just insane and probably means he could have easily made council but they probably would have tried killing him for using the dark side to amp his already impressive natural abilities.
@infinitedeath1384 but that was also connected to his form of lightsaber combat Vaypad, I'd that's not it's spelled forgive me, and did not fall to it. Cal was literally using the powers of the dark side to actually use it as his own. Mace Windu used the powers of his opponents against them but never used the dark side himself.
@@angrymike590 True. I think at worst he'd be expelled and become a rogue Jedi. They wouldn't try to kill him, and both cal and the Jedi don't start conflicts without necessity. There's no reason for the council to fight cal, because he doesn't have bad intentions unlike Palpatine did. Oh btw it's spelt Vapaad.
@infinitedeath1384 thank you, but then again it's the council so I wouldn't be surprised if they did try to kill him on the principle that he used the dark side therefore they believe he could fall to the dark side.
This is great. Really great. No wonder why he's so powerful. He's facing stormtroppers all the time,Sith acolytes. Trauma of Order 66. Plus everything you mentioned. He's that and so much more. Have a phenomenal day too!
I can't wait to see how powerful Cal Kestis will become in the third game especially since his powers are growing both in the light and dark side. I think in the third game the developers should have Merrin teach Cal how to properly channel the dark side without being corrupted by it because unlike the sith the nightsisters are in harmony with the dark side
Yeah, that's a great idea. If Cal is able to utilize the dark side without being consumed by it that'd be a huge advantage over another force users. I'm not sure if anyone besides legends Luke was able to do that and he certainly has the potential to control it
I don’t know at what date Jedi Survivor takes place, but it should be around the battle of Yavin. It would be a great story if Cal became a member of GM Luke's New Jedi Order alongside Kyp Durron, Kyle Katarn etc. They share common values and philosophies (using dark side forces without being corrupted), Cal is very versatile in force skills, he takes leadership to secure the life of a group of force skilled people, he has fought against the inquisition for many years. He would fit perfectly into being a member Luke's New Jedi Order
If only Luke's Order wasn't doomed to bad writing that culminates in him becoming a hermit living on green milk. I think Cal would quickly exit stage left back to Tanalorr once he saw that happen.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel nah, I'm pretty sure EU Grandmaster Luke doesn’t like green milk. Please don't remind me of that Sequel 🗑️ , I suffered PTSD after watching that trash.
Isn't wild how a Game studio on a limited budget can create better characters and stories than the richest company on the planet with infinite money and time
Cal echo in the force ability allows him to learn with ever single character he changes paths with, like when he just started to play the music Cere's composed from the thin air. Same with fighting forms and other abilities of others he crossed blades with, including the ninth sister (although she seems a bit of pathetic and arrogant), 2nd sister, Cere, Bode, Malicos, Merrin (a powerful nightsister force user), Gera and even from the brief time he faced Vader
its great to finally have cal's lightsaber form known what makes's it better is not alot of jedi mastered form 6 the only other one who mastered form 6 was exar kun
There is a difference between a trained warrior, a Soldier, and a Survivor. One Is Taught the proper ways of combat, the other learns the ways of war, and the survivor learns how to LIVE. It may sound reductive to a degree against the trained warrior and the Soldier... but the survivor grows by his own merit, skill, and adaptable nature. They don't worry about Honour, justice, or things like that... their only focus is to see the sun rise tomorrow. You can fight and defeat a trained warrior in battle, You can over come and make a solider surrender, but a Survivor fights to thier last moment... because in order for them TOO fight, they must be under threat.. and threats will be Exterminated.
@@kaidorade1317 that's because EA was eager to profit from the game release also on PC. At the time the former Respawn (the bulk of all Jedi games - fallen order and survivor - in all chapters you might think of) CEO asked for a few months to make the game "perfect", but EA did what they do best: acting like EA.
You hit on the spot his story is new untold there's so much we do to new about his character that we are still diving into this was great breakdown video I cant wait to see what type of Jedi he becomes.
@@da_horne_gamingThat’s true but if you’re stronger in the force you can resist other abilities most of the time, he would need the strength to use his force to hold him still so he wouldn’t be able to due to how much stronger he is tbh Check out Key Issues’ video on this match up, I know them and they did a good job, in fact they low balled Starkiller to make a point just using his on screen feats and scaling not his scaling to legends Vader and his scaling in the eu comics.
Well Starkiller defeated Vader twice, capturing him the second time as a prisoner lol. If he can do that, no one else aside from Sidious was going to have an easy day with him :P Much less Kestis.
Cals power increase from fallen order to survivor is insane. Went from struggling against inquisitiors to killing them with ease. Not to mention killing rayvis and dagan
I think Cal Kestis and Legends’ Luke were evidence that Jedi Order durning the prequel were largely wrong how they train their students. The Order were trying to making them into the prefect Jedi instead of the best the version of the Jedi they wanted to be.
@@thomasparque7834 Yeah the republic jedi were honestly kinda boring compared to all other timelines. I would love a show or game showing us what the jedi would look like at their peak
In my canon he indeed Joins Luke’s New Jedi Order and Becomes Its First True Jedi Weapon Master A.k.a The Next Vodo-Siosk Baas and he even befriends Starkiller (Galen Marek’s Clone)
Cal does not use any of the 7 lighsaber forms, the only one he was probably taught was form 1 as he was so early in his padawanhood. He has a self learnt style which suits him well. He uses form 1, 4, 5, 6-ish manouvers, but neither form in particular and adds a lot of unique. His greatest strength is his high force potential and talent to wield the force in so many ways.
He was made a padawan after the battle of Geonosis (attack of the clones). His strength lies in lightsaber combat. The art of the game book for JFO confirms this. Niman being his form makes sense. His ability to wield the force also in highly stressful situations is what Jaro taught him.
I think a part of it - other than 'its a game bruh!' - is that Cal was retaught the Force through ancient knowledge. The Zeffo, Kashyyyk and Dathomir's ancient power and the High Republic plus whatever was special about Bogano have all had an effect. As Malicos said, the Jedi were 'stifled' by tradition which means, I think, they possibly prevented growth because their own history told them that powerful Jedi are also dangerous and therefore keeping someone from realising their true potential would prevent them becoming a threat to the Order. Dagan Gera is a prime example of someone who was given the sufficient freedom to stray from the Path and as such threatened the Order when their needs weren't met. In contrast Mace Windu was on the Council and so had the space to become the badass m*therf*cker he was. Ultimately Cal has been afforded substantial space whilst also benefiting from the two titles: Fallen Order being the loss of the controls that would have kept him in check with constant tutelage from his Master and Survivor adding to that power because, and I'm quoting something else entirely now, but I think it's apt, in the game of survival there are no rules. Bode reminds Cal of his own self-imposed rules about love in the game, but it's probably the last bastion of adherence to the old ways that Cal is still following. Otherwise he hasn't held himself back too much, perhaps the last power-amp being driven by the death of his surrogate Master as history threatens to repeat itself. I just hope we get Force Jump in the next game cos all that platforming can be a right pain!
I really loved the way he crushes the droids like aluminum cans of softdrinks every time he embraces his darkness, if only he learns force lightning he'd be an even more formidable opponent against the empire
@: In Jedi: Fallen Order, Cal was way too much of a pacifist, and outside dozens of Stormtroopers, Bounty Hunters, and Monsters. Cal never really killed any big gain. In Jedi: Surviver: Cal literally catches bodies left and right with such finest, yet remains leveled-headed. Like Could Strife from FF7, Cal even sounds like Could, sometimes.
Idiots mentioning Starkiller when the creators of the Force Unleashed said his canonical events are in the book, where he's no where near as powerful and the only reason he was so OP on the game was to make it more fun but he's not actually that strong. He never pulled a Star Destroyer out of orbit for example, he guided one that was falling. He didn't beat Vader in the Force Unleashed novelization, he lost quite badly. Star Wars fans don't even pay attention to the media they claim to love
Even in the force unleashed 2 the more powerful clone starkiller said the best he can hope for is a stalemate against Vader and was glad Vader opted to force a surrender instead of killing him outright.
Little late to the party, but this, this is the comment I was looking for. Even if Star Killer’s game power was cannon, I hate how people use Star Killer to diminish Cal’s feats
The novel is an afterthought to most fans. The games are Starkiller's main storyline, canon or not. So you can't blame people for saying Starkiller is OP when that's the primary representation of him in Star Wars.
Not to mention, he's really young. His physical strength and agility would far outmatch most surviving Jedi or Sith, not to mention his crazy abilities. His ability to stop/slow time is a huge advantage on its own because he most likely has a much faster reaction time compared to pretty much anything he comes across. Aside from that, he's also not restrained by the Jedi teachings and is able to embrace both sides of the force for his own benefit and others'. Him being able to use the dark side for good is what also made Mace Windu so powerful.
He’s got a lot going against him in the Disney verse, he’s male, straight white and has red hair. They’ll make him a diverse lesbian and lame to get the quota killtacular.
He's just the classic "I learned from the school of life" archetype, he's good because he learned to fight and use the Force, not in some cozy room in Coruscant deflecting laser bolts from a Marksman-H, but by actually fighting other soldiers and sith. He's like in RPGs when you just go straight towards the higher level enemies, tough it out and beat them which makes you level up much faster than with natural progression.
Yeah! He's powerful!! I turned him into a Purge Trooper killer and Bounty Hunter killer playing as him... Heck... All those gamers who do no-damage videos make Cal look like a force to be reckoned with...
One thing that I love about Cal’s confuse technique is that when he uses it when embracing the dark side his enemies will collapse to the ground and die killed by the pure anger and hatred that cal feels being so badass
Cal kestis it’s even much more powerful stronger, faster, and smarter than jarus And Ezra Bridger because he was named a Jedi knight and surpassed his Jedi master
@@LyzeofQill well Cal has more abilities and more powers obviously and I bet he’s even now Jedi master equal to quinlan vos but still below Luke Skywalker
@@LyzeofQillThey are a lot stronger than they seem and are stronger than the average ones in their ranks back then yet Cal still has overall better scaling iirc Adult Ezra might be stronger though given he fights much stronger force users who can press Ashoka who while below Vader can still fight and damage him, something only Cere Aka Cal’s master can do after training and becoming more one with the light side, her and Ahsoka also have scaling above the Prequels Jedi Council via statements.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls OK, but we haven’t seen any of them in screen time and we don’t even know what have they been doing and besides he became a Jedi knight by a real Jedi master while jarus became a Jedi knight by a dead Jedi
@@YayoHernandez-b1jCal likely beats Vos but he’s nowhere near even Luke that lost to Vader cuz he’s said above Obi-wan and yoda in raw power in the force iirc tho I might be confused with legends statements lol I’ll have to check again with my friends but yeah Cal is getting there yet he is not done, hopefully we get a third game and see him become his own master yet ofc he can’t kill Vader cuz of canon tho maybe he can put up a fight like his Master.
The way he plays in the two games makes you FEEL his increase in power betweem the two games. Dont get me wrong, he is no Starkiller, but he has the benefit of feeling powerful while retaining at least some belieability rather than force pulling entire star destroyers out of orbit and force crushing AT-ATs into the size of an Xbox One.
Starkiller guided an already falling star destroyer, which is still huge but not the same. Plus in canon books Starkiller is being nerfed as he was seen as much to OP in the games and got his ass kicked by Vader rather than the opposite. It's kind of a retcon, and while The Force Unleashed games are now EU, Kesti's games still canon
It's because he has the forbidden force ability "Force Ginger." The force amplified by the soulless black void of ginger power. Cal is so adept with this technique, he has managed to overcome the "ginger curse" and remained a white ginger, rather than being retconned into a black person like all other gingers tend to be for some weird reason..truly an impressive feat of power.
If he continues to advance in power, and as rapidly as we've seen, I could see a very real chance of The Emperor giving Cal his personal attention. Which would be quite the show down.
A couple things to keep in mind in this analysis: 1) Most of Cal's power is amplified for gameplay and narrative reasons. 2) His lightsaber style only incorporates pieces of actual jedi training but largely consists of him filling in the gaps himself. This leaves a lot of wiggle room for one of the trickiest things to power scale in these stories, which is narrative convenience. He will only ever be as powerful as the story allows him to be; sometimes he will appear very powerful, sometimes he will appear weak and unrefined. The safest way to scale Cal is based on what the story has told us, which is this: Cere, as a jedi master, knighted Cal formally as a jedi knight. So I would scale him for sure as a clone-wars era jedi knight, probably well past the stage at which he would take on a padawan of his own. His survival skills and force abilities are well above average, no question. But I suspect his formal lightsaber skills are roughly par at best, with their shortcomings being made up for with creativity and sheer grit. My evidence for this: he adapted a blaster into lightsaber combat- something any average jedi would never do, nor would they typically need to. It's an admission that he needs to kill in order to boost his chances of surviving an encounter.
Take in count that even before being knighted by Cere he was fighting Taron Malicos (with Merrin's help but he could still keep well), who was a jedi master that fall into the darkside. In addition, they were fighting in Dathomir. So by default Cal should a pretty strong jedi knight to do something like that. For the second game he fights enemies that aren't average, Rayvis and Dagan Gera have pretty good statements about their power. Then, even if we just limited to what the story tell us and leave aside the gameplay he still would be a pretty powerful jedi knight or maybe in the level of a jedi master or more.
When it comes to the survivor story, I think the mystery of bode's master may well come in the next installment, like sidious, bode was able to completely mask his mind from detection from nearby force users. He wasnt aligned at all with the inquisitors so it was likely somebody outside this realm. The rule of two is only so when the current sith lord cant detect any other sith around except for his apprentice. The star wars universe NEEDS more independant force users that arent aligned with the normally known factions, however hazardous it is for them to exist so.
He did however single handedly assault an imperial fortress. Defeat a gen’dai who was equivalent to at least 5 high republic level Master Jedi, and defeated former Jedi Master Taron Malicos
Galen had training from Vader, like previously one of the top Jedi in the entire order, one of the strongest Sith managing to get 80% on the level of one of the most powerful Sith ever plus Vader in the novelization was basically holding back in some level, however I'm not underplaying Galen's potential and power but he had more things to help extract his potential
@@empoweredshemphoward Malicos was triple amped (dark side, Dathomir, tomb of Kujet) and Cal was matching him saber to saber. Take away the Kujet amp at least, and Cal woulda had it, much less Survivor Cal who would crush Malicos without even needing dark side.
Cal is someone i can relate too. He's also compassionate, and loyal to his crew, and always tries to do the thing. He makes mistakes sure but cal is still a true jedi.
EA has confirmed that a 3rd and final jedi game, it will be interesting to see the events after jedi survivor, and see him become even stronger than Cere Junda
I think rn Cal is on par with Quinlon Voss and Pong Krell in terms of Force Abilities and combat Prowess. If he continues on his trajectory or turns to the dark side and lets his anger dictate how he uses his power, he could reach Galen Marick levels of power.
I would suggest that his lack of "proper training" is his greatest strength. He is not hindered by what a Jedi CAN do, his driving force is "What does he NEED to do?" The traditional way of training a Jedi would be a handicap for Cal. Not knowing where the limits are supposed to be allows Cal to keep pushing without the concern of "will this be enough?" because it has to be enough.
Valid point. He's had no one telling him, "NO! That leads to the dark side." As a result, he seems to be able to tap into the dark side without fully giving himself over to it.
Ironically, it's partly his attachment to Merrin that allows him to do that. She is his anchor in the light.
I agree with this fully. In fact it's pretty reminiscent to Luke's jedi from legends as Luke believed that hard work and dedication to the force and one's training, as well as embracing one's feelings of love for others is what brought out a Jedi's full potential. Luke also didn't believe in using midichlorian counts to measure his Jedi's potential either. Something that the prequal era of Jedi also did that limited their potential.
I agree with this. He's gone further because he hasn't been limited.
Its not a big deal, but you should replace your "CAN" with "SHOULD", since that's clearly what you meant in the context of the sentence.
He isn't hindered by what a Jedi should(is supposed to) do. He does whatever he feels the situation requires.
"Can" kinda ruins the whole statement lol, since he is most definitely utilizing everything a Jedi *can* do in order to achieve his goals.
I can sort of see this. The sequel Jedi: Survivor is called 'Survivor' for a reason, and Cal did what he had to do to survive from the Empire this entire time. I imagine Cal would have received additional training from Cere Junda, as he does recall training and lessons from both Cere and his former master as a Padawan, Jara Tapal, but obviously that time was cut short due to the pair (Cere and Cal) going their separate ways. I think Cal certainly had to learn from his experiences, he had no choice but to adapt if he was going to survive.
Cal is by far the best thing to come out of the current era of Star Wars imo
And the funny thing is, Disney didn’t exactly have a say. Respawn are the masterminds
Dude, the SWTOR RPG's still getting content. Besides let's face it, at the end of the day Cal's techically still just a Hero of Tython knock off.
@@exile6688 Ehh...I don't know. Many of the exploits of the Hero of Tython are rather OP. Cal's at least seem a bit more believable.
@@ThoraxetheImpaile100 Dude Cal's reminisant of Galen Marek force wise and you're calling SWTOR's characters OP.
@@exile6688 While I agree that Cal is no slouch, putting him on par with the likes of Starkiller also doesn't feel right. Cal still exercises restrain. Marek rarely does, if at all.
just the fact he is still alive shows his strength
When will we see a Cal Kestis Vs Darth Vader Duel Happen?
@@starkillerab1582 Maybe in jedi survivor sequel
@@starkillerab1582so starkiller you think Cal could have potential on par with you? LOL
Wdym mean me? I didn’t say Starkiller I said Vader
@@starkillerab1582if they do that it means he’s dying at the end of the game. No way he’s surviving two encounters with him
I think that Cal might be so powerful because of his ability to sense information from objects. Almost like he's absorbing Jedi (and other force user) teachings whenever he's in contact with his history.
a great deal, but not only. he's surely powerful in the force first hand. the rest he learned or relearned during the games evolution.
I suppose there could be truth to that. I mean he learned to play a song through psychometry
@@Cobiscrisp6476that and with the time period he’s in he has all the practice he needs to practice the lessons he’s gleamed from that ability
interesting theory. i like that.
gonna set this as canon, any objections?
@@Cobiscrisp6476 He can learn fighting styles too by using that force hability, yeah that was also my point. if he learned a song just by touching the instrument, imagine in fighting skills what he learned with cere, malicos, ninth and mainly second sister, degon, bode and even Vader.
Cal was able to bypass the Disney lightsaber nerf when he embraces the dark side. That’s pretty powerful.
Kennedy is like poison ☠️ when it comes to making good Star Wars
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021thank god she didn’t. We have one of the best characters since Luke
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 in my opinion
So true lol. If u dont involve KK, then the lore actually makes sense. lmfao.
Jesus make fun of disney for being profit hungry douchebags not following the lore
I wasn’t expecting Cal to be *this* powerful. He’s certainly unorthodox. From using irregular force powers to using equally irregular lightsaber fighting styles. Mostly self taught. Even opponents with great experience will never have faced someone as versatile as him. After fallen order, I thought Cal was a pretty strong, just about average Jedi with some unique skills. But after Survivor… he’s no joke.
But, in the end, I adore him because he’s such a good character. And him and Merrin’s relationship is my favourite romantic relationship in Star Wars. Honestly… Merrin seems really powerful too. She certainly knows handy some handy rituals and spells. Invisibility and teleportation… Wow. We’ve rarely seen nightsister tap into all this power, except for smother Talzin herself. Maybe it has something to do with Merrin being about the only nightsister that’s left. But maybe she too has some very underrated potential in the force.
Post Jedi Survivor we can expect that Cal and Merrins relationship will only continue to grow and develop and they are likely going to be training together in combat. Honestly if they both teamed up at full power I would not expect anyone alive in that era save for Vader or Palpatine to survive that.
He's already as good as his time's best Jedi night by the end of the first game, lol.
Maybe it’s their relationship that makes them so strong 🤔🤔🤔
@@legendgamer676At this point, Cal can fight any inquisitor by himself and win pretty soundly.
@@infinitedeath1384 I think so too. If Vader wants Cal disposed of he knows he can’t rely on the inquisitors to do it. He’d have to go and do it himself. Which is crazy when you think about that at the beginning of the first game Cal has almost zero connection to the force anymore. And by the time if Jedi Survivor he is practically the level of a Jedi Master.
In canon it’s also suggested by the Grand Inquisitor that following order 66 and the near eradication of the Jedi, the force tried balancing things out by blessing the few remaining Jedi, with a major boost in force power. This would explain why characters such as Cere could grow to the point of nearly defeating Darth Vader or Cal being able to take on Dagan.
Source?
@@baki484 in the canon book Star Wars dark legends which has a story where the Grand Inquisitor reflects on one of his defeats against Jedi Padawan Kira Ventala who he originally remembered as being a weak padawan back at the temple.
@@baki484 In OT, it is often referenced that the Force is "with" Luke. Thus this makes sense indeed.
Eh, I think that’s not really reliable. Ultimately we are just seeing outliers, but those outliers already were outliers. Almost any jedi can actually reach extreme danger levels, but most don’t prioritize combat. So the few that do (Kenobi/Windu/) or who posses a greater intuition to unlocking those skills, (also windu/anakin, yoda) are way ahead.
Toss mace windu, kenobi, probably ahsoka and kit fisto, or yoda from clone wars into the same situations Cal was in, and they’d probably utterly dominate the situation.
Most of his feats that seem impressive are aoe feats mostly useful against weak enemies, but loads of jedi don’t actually need that.
@@firstnamelastname9237you are talking about Jedi masters, and a grand master. Who have trained and been trained to the highest standards. Cal is just a young man who has very limited younglin training. Everything else is self taught through trials and tribulations. Put cal into the same environment and then chances are he would excel over most Jedi masters.
Jedi survivor might be the best star wars media we've gotten in the last decade.
It is!
It is! 😱
Fallen Order >
That's not a high bar though.
@@vivi44 It is, considering Andor exists.
Honestly he’s by far the best part of Disney Star Wars. Nothing shines brighter than him from this era and from EA no less
It would probably be more accurate to say its from Respawn, makes a lot more sense than it being from EA haha. But point taken :)
Any Jedi powerful enough to survive Darth Vader on multiple occasions is already enough to put someone up there with the most powerful masters of the era, even when disregarding his other feats.
He survived Vader 1 time lol. Cere is the only one who fought him more than once, and she died her second time.
Cal aint seen Vader since Fallen Order
Cal didnt face Vader in survivor.
@@LimmeLimbo Not in person but he sees him through the force echos.
That and also she was a former Jedi master who cut off her connection to the force as well
I can’t wait to see how powerful Jedi Master Cal Kestis is
In Survivor he's still behind Cere's level, but still he's not at his peak. Hope they don't turn him a dark jedi, but rather continuing his arc which could absolutely merge with EU Luke's Jedi Academy and turning out one of the most proficient jedi (alongside the Dathomirian force user Merrin and their adopted daughter, biological seed of Bode - all this story fits so well in Luke's EU jedi academy)
@@Maddog-xc2zv nah id love him becoming the kind of jedi that aims to understand all sides of the force. I guess thats something that could fit in the EU academy
@@simonji2940 that's a great path and yes I agree is achievable in Luke's EU academy, not on Disney Universe for sure
@@Maddog-xc2zvYea I’d say he’s about half as powerful as cere by the end of Jedi survivor, he’s a EXTREMELY fast learner I mean he masters mind tricks and force lift/slam very quickly after just recalling how cere used it
@@Maddog-xc2zv
If anything Cal will be something more akin to a grey Jedi.
I perceive Cal as a younger human version of Yoda, someone who is at its core a force user with powerful consular like abilities but trained extensively or was exposed enough to lightsaber combat to be on par with above average duelists at the very least, given the characters he defeats. (yoda being much older however can even tackle Dooku/Sidious which is peak, but I mean you can't beat how ancient Yoda's race is really, tough Yoda's lightsaber skill is more intentional)
As for Cal joining Luke's Jedi Order, one neat way to retcon him into it would be to put him into a position akin to Katarn's but throw him out into the wild on long term missions like scouring the galaxy for sith artifacts and holocrons, like jedi shadows used to, that might be a good way of saying "he was always there he just went unnoticed because he was out of camera" while giving an excuse to have a show with Cal and possibly Ahsoka and other new characters without having to literally rewrite cannon while still retconing it.
I definitely think Cal has unspoken consular qualities. He often tries to seek allies in people. And it worked wonders with Merrin. It took him going on his own journey, but he realised she was just another scared and scarred survivor, like himself. Of course, he also hears force echos in her story. I think it’s telling how much faith he puts in her, though, before fighting Malicos (a Jedi master, we should remind ourselves… Cal beat a Jedi master [with help]). He literally gives her his lightsaber. He may not have been told ‘this weapon is your life’, by Obi-Wan, but certainly he’s learned similar lessons. Besides, when his crystal broke… he had no choice but run for dear life to escape Dathomir. That weapon really was his life.
I Can't wait to play the final game of cal kestis story
I don't even want to see any spoilers. I played fallen order as everyone did even non SW fans. Survivor is a tone more serious
It exactly AM also trying to avoid spoilers
I’m so excited and nervous it can be better than both previous
Just pray that Respawn continues to keep Disney out of it.
The creative director for both Jedi games left the company, and took a lot of senior we engineers with him, so I'm at least not holding my breath on the quality of the writing for the third game, but hopefully enough of it was outlined and enough of the original staff remains for it to be good.
I wish Cal would have an appearance in some other series. And in case something happens to him in the games, I only have one arm so I never got a chance to play them.
:(
I'm sorry for your lack of a limb.
ive seen people play both console and pc with one hand before, looks insanely difficult but youd be cool af if u managed
Let Dagan Gera be your inspiration
dont let it stop you my g!
Master Jaro Tapal said:
The path is difficult
The obstacles in your path define the path
What stands in your way becomes the way!
The force will be with you my g!
I think one of Cal’s underrated feats was After restoring his connection to the force, he fought and pressured Taron Malicos in a light saber fight, Who was a former Jedi master who had turn to the Darkside and was being strengthened by the Darkside Nexxus of Dathomir. Though Cal was Inferior in the force department and needed help to defeat him.
All of the fights Cal goes in he's at a disadvantage.
Against Trilla and 9th sister his connection was blocked
Against Malicos he was in a darkside Nexus
Against dagan he was hit with an illusion and out fenced him in the their second duel.
Emotionally conflicted against Bode both times and showed superiority once no one got in his way.
Also the fact that (and no one seems to ever mention this) he stopped training in any fashion for 10 years and was separated from the force. And in the span of a few days, was able to defeat two inquisitors and a former Jedi master. Hell, the fact he didn’t just get instantly murdered by Vader should be proof alone
So what if he needed help? He was still the one doing the bulk of the work.
@@damonedrington3453 I don’t think the course of Jedi fallen order was a few days, especially with the Kashyyyk story of the empire regaining control i thought it more like a couple weeks to a few months but condensed for a game story line
So my theory is, clapping his dathomirian shawtys cheeks has led to Cals increased force ability.
I loved Cal’s stories from Fallen Order & Survivor
Starkiller and Cal are my two favorite non-main characters ever!!
Pretty sure Jedi Fallen Order & Survivor are both canon
@@damonedrington3453 yeah but they aren't "main" characters
@@aouyiu Uh yes they are- and both games literally talk about Cal’s journey
@@jessicasuzanne___ he’s a main character of his game, not a main character of Star Wars. He hasn’t even appeared in any shows or such yet, so he’s behind those like Ezra and whatnot on that front.
In regards to Cal’s lightsaber skills, I’ve always been under the impression that he combined his implied talent in Form VI Niman with the simplistic blade work of Form I Shii-Cho, given that Cal was a young Padawan when Order 66 was issued and the wide sweeping attack sequences he employed.
He was with Jaro for 3 years form 1 seems to be his fallback due to his lack of confidence with form 6 after being out of practice but by end he mixed them together.
He has to be strong enough to go toe to toe with Vader in the next game, so yeah. lol
Personally hope there is no Vader cameo in the third one. They put him in everything for member berries at this point. If it's post-Empire, it might be fun to have him beat up Kylo Ren during a one-off encounter since he fancies himself the Dollar Store knock-off of Darth Vader. And he kind of deserves to get smacked around prior to his "redemption" for what he did to Han Solo. Not to mention Iden's hubby and others.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel Cal and Vader have history, plus he killed Cere. You don’t understand how storytelling works. Kylo Ren? I am greatful you have nothing to do with this series. What an awful idea.
@@AzulApe yeah but Cal would still lose, unless they want to redo all canon.
@@dariyanvalentine3564 Vader has taken L’s before. Cal just can’t kill him. Which frankly would be a full circle for him showing he’s a true Jedi. Then we can put his arc with Vader to bed and move him into other stories. Unless they want him to die, which I am not a fan of. Especially when Disney is afraid to kill Ahsoka.
@@AzulApe Yeah theres multiple bosses in the game you fight without killing them, still makes for cool fights
Cal has slowly become my favorite Jedi. Not because I played him in a couple games, but because the journey he's on.
I hope Cal adapts like Mace Windu and uses the dark side of the force to his advantage without being corrupted by it.
Yeah I wish Cal would figure out form 8 Vapaad like Mace once did.
@@MrCleman1 you just know he’s getting force lightning’d in Jedi 3
@@kingt0295I want him to learn force scream as well. He defeated one of the best duelists from the high republic era, which makes him intimidating. With force scream he'd be able to make most of the weaker opponents, especially non-force users flee in terror.
I’ve been meaning to add Cal to my collection but I’ve been putting it off for five years now. Hopefully I’ll be able to find him again one day
Why?? there’s nothing wrong with him
Oh no I’ve been putting off buying him because I’ve been focused on buying other things for my collection
Sounds like he was very similar to Luke, everything he pretty much had to learn on this own. That is the best part no dogma, learning from both sides, and learning from scratch even in the real world is better than learning from a book.
Cal is a Jedi who has learned to use his passion for good. And any sith would know that passion is power under the right circumstances of anger through the dark side. But Cal learned patience. The sith greatest downfall was being impatient. Truely, a powerful force user to reckon with
Respawn has definitely outdone themselves with Fallen Order, and Jedi Survivor. Can’t wait for the third installment (ps wish they’d make Titanfall 3. TF2 story was amazing as well)
The fact he's faced off against Vader and a High Republic Jedi is just insane and probably means he could have easily made council but they probably would have tried killing him for using the dark side to amp his already impressive natural abilities.
They wouldn't. Mace windu used the dark side to enhance his duelling abilities, so more than likely he'd become a master and a council member.
@infinitedeath1384 but that was also connected to his form of lightsaber combat Vaypad, I'd that's not it's spelled forgive me, and did not fall to it. Cal was literally using the powers of the dark side to actually use it as his own. Mace Windu used the powers of his opponents against them but never used the dark side himself.
@@angrymike590 True. I think at worst he'd be expelled and become a rogue Jedi. They wouldn't try to kill him, and both cal and the Jedi don't start conflicts without necessity. There's no reason for the council to fight cal, because he doesn't have bad intentions unlike Palpatine did. Oh btw it's spelt Vapaad.
@infinitedeath1384 thank you, but then again it's the council so I wouldn't be surprised if they did try to kill him on the principle that he used the dark side therefore they believe he could fall to the dark side.
Good work on spotlighting Cal, definitely the most relatable SW char for me. Excited for more content featuring this char.
Honestly one of the best original Disney Star Wars characters
This is great. Really great. No wonder why he's so powerful. He's facing stormtroppers all the time,Sith acolytes. Trauma of Order 66. Plus everything you mentioned. He's that and so much more. Have a phenomenal day too!
I can't wait to see how powerful Cal Kestis will become in the third game especially since his powers are growing both in the light and dark side. I think in the third game the developers should have Merrin teach Cal how to properly channel the dark side without being corrupted by it because unlike the sith the nightsisters are in harmony with the dark side
Yeah, that's a great idea. If Cal is able to utilize the dark side without being consumed by it that'd be a huge advantage over another force users. I'm not sure if anyone besides legends Luke was able to do that and he certainly has the potential to control it
@@xmatox320Imagine if Cal learns to use Vapaad on his own (mace windu's main form).
I don’t know at what date Jedi Survivor takes place, but it should be around the battle of Yavin.
It would be a great story if Cal became a member of GM Luke's New Jedi Order alongside Kyp Durron, Kyle Katarn etc.
They share common values and philosophies (using dark side forces without being corrupted), Cal is very versatile in force skills, he takes leadership to secure the life of a group of force skilled people, he has fought against the inquisition for many years.
He would fit perfectly into being a member Luke's New Jedi Order
If only Luke's Order wasn't doomed to bad writing that culminates in him becoming a hermit living on green milk. I think Cal would quickly exit stage left back to Tanalorr once he saw that happen.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel nah, I'm pretty sure EU Grandmaster Luke doesn’t like green milk.
Please don't remind me of that Sequel 🗑️ , I suffered PTSD after watching that trash.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel If we're lucky they start considering the games non-canon, which could make for some awesome gameplay later down the line
It’s set during the same year as the Obi Wan Kenobi series
@@simonji2940 If they did that, they might as well make TFU III while they're at it. Or don't and make it anyway.
I really like Cal. His skills are not to be underestimated
Isn't wild how a Game studio on a limited budget can create better characters and stories than the richest company on the planet with infinite money and time
Solid video glad this was brought up, just played survivor this summer and by the end of that game cal is pretty damn op
Literally my thrid favorite star wars character
Cant wait for more great content The Stupendous Wave!
KAL kestis could become a truly amazing Jedi master.
So glad theory brought me back to brodie!!! Good star wars vibes!!!
Cal uses Niman but his base is in Ataru, based on his agression and physicality. Same as Jaro Tapal
Cal echo in the force ability allows him to learn with ever single character he changes paths with, like when he just started to play the music Cere's composed from the thin air. Same with fighting forms and other abilities of others he crossed blades with, including the ninth sister (although she seems a bit of pathetic and arrogant), 2nd sister, Cere, Bode, Malicos, Merrin (a powerful nightsister force user), Gera and even from the brief time he faced Vader
The greatest boost to his power is the poncho, the poncho gives him an advantage that most force users don’t have in this era.
Awesome Jedi and awesome video on him
You are awesome Mr. Wave! Don’t let others pressure you into showing your face if you don’t want to!
its great to finally have cal's lightsaber form known what makes's it better is not alot of jedi mastered form 6 the only other one who mastered form 6 was exar kun
What makes it better is that he managed to make an inferior form actually work for him so well, I'd say.
Revan was also one of the best users of Niman
@@ShadowGhost0117 starkiller's clone was also a master of niman
cal, like star killer, does not limit his emotionas much as the jedi at least
combined with the psychometry his ability to learn is insane
Starkiller: "Hold my beer."
“Hold my Gorog”
”Hold my ewok.”
"hold my anime protagonist power fantasy"
Where is my like Stupendous Wave 😭
@@overknightacention39 right here
There is a difference between a trained warrior, a Soldier, and a Survivor. One Is Taught the proper ways of combat, the other learns the ways of war, and the survivor learns how to LIVE. It may sound reductive to a degree against the trained warrior and the Soldier... but the survivor grows by his own merit, skill, and adaptable nature. They don't worry about Honour, justice, or things like that... their only focus is to see the sun rise tomorrow. You can fight and defeat a trained warrior in battle, You can over come and make a solider surrender, but a Survivor fights to thier last moment... because in order for them TOO fight, they must be under threat.. and threats will be Exterminated.
The best Jedi ever created by Disney! Love the games!!!
I’m excited to see how Cal’s story concludes in his third game! It’s being worked on and will run on Unreal Engine 5
Oh god not UE5 the frame timing and stuttering would be so bad.
@@dariyanvalentine3564 especially since Survivor was barely playable at launch
@@kaidorade1317 that's because EA was eager to profit from the game release also on PC. At the time the former Respawn (the bulk of all Jedi games - fallen order and survivor - in all chapters you might think of) CEO asked for a few months to make the game "perfect", but EA did what they do best: acting like EA.
@@Maddog-xc2zv I’m not surprised…
@@kaidorade1317 it's playable now
Actually playing through Jedi: Survivor today! I'm about 3/4 done.
Cal had that main character energy!
About time there was some more lore about the famous CAL.!!!!
3:52 🤣 in my head that fall is cannon
Some call him Cal, me well I just call him the joker.
Author unknown BBY
The force stays in balance, when all the lightside users died in order 66 i bet cal is the cup all that extra potential got poured into
When you're someone who has faced Vader multiple times and live to tell the tale, you know You're powerful.
or exceptionally lucky.
@@dariyanvalentine3564 That too. But mad skills played a part.
@@dariyanvalentine3564 without the skill youd be dead before you have time to realize, still a fuck ton of luck involved though
StarKiller has not only faced Vader twice, but has also defeated Vader twice. Sorry to say it, but Kestis wouldn't hold a candle to StarKiller
@@vegitoblack6321 Obviously. Starkiller was Palpatine level when using the force. I think Kal is probably Yoda level.
You hit on the spot his story is new untold there's so much we do to new about his character that we are still diving into this was great breakdown video I cant wait to see what type of Jedi he becomes.
Have Starkiller hunt him as an assignment from Vader and Cal is dead man walking.
Maybe, Galen doesn’t have force slow and no one he fought ever used it that I remember
@@da_horne_gaming maybe, but Cal would best be running.
@@da_horne_gamingThat’s true but if you’re stronger in the force you can resist other abilities most of the time, he would need the strength to use his force to hold him still so he wouldn’t be able to due to how much stronger he is tbh
Check out Key Issues’ video on this match up, I know them and they did a good job, in fact they low balled Starkiller to make a point just using his on screen feats and scaling not his scaling to legends Vader and his scaling in the eu comics.
Well Starkiller defeated Vader twice, capturing him the second time as a prisoner lol.
If he can do that, no one else aside from Sidious was going to have an easy day with him :P Much less Kestis.
@@shkotayd9749 hate to spoil the second game, but Galen briefly defeated in force unleashed 1.
TFU 2 was a clone. Galen is dead.
Cals power increase from fallen order to survivor is insane. Went from struggling against inquisitiors to killing them with ease. Not to mention killing rayvis and dagan
I think Cal Kestis and Legends’ Luke were evidence that Jedi Order durning the prequel were largely wrong how they train their students. The Order were trying to making them into the prefect Jedi instead of the best the version of the Jedi they wanted to be.
One of handful lessons the Jedi failed to learn from Sith Order or had but quickly forget it as never really been taught
@@thomasparque7834 Yeah the republic jedi were honestly kinda boring compared to all other timelines. I would love a show or game showing us what the jedi would look like at their peak
Jedi Survivor is so amazing. Replaying it soon.
In my canon he indeed Joins Luke’s New Jedi Order and Becomes Its First True Jedi Weapon Master A.k.a The Next Vodo-Siosk Baas and he even befriends Starkiller (Galen Marek’s Clone)
Love you and theory. Great video. Keep it up
Cal does not use any of the 7 lighsaber forms, the only one he was probably taught was form 1 as he was so early in his padawanhood. He has a self learnt style which suits him well. He uses form 1, 4, 5, 6-ish manouvers, but neither form in particular and adds a lot of unique. His greatest strength is his high force potential and talent to wield the force in so many ways.
He was made a padawan after the battle of Geonosis (attack of the clones). His strength lies in lightsaber combat. The art of the game book for JFO confirms this. Niman being his form makes sense.
His ability to wield the force also in highly stressful situations is what Jaro taught him.
Cal overall really uses Niman the most
Hopefully we get to see Cal/Cameron Monaghan in live action one day maybe after the 3rd Jedi game
I think a part of it - other than 'its a game bruh!' - is that Cal was retaught the Force through ancient knowledge. The Zeffo, Kashyyyk and Dathomir's ancient power and the High Republic plus whatever was special about Bogano have all had an effect. As Malicos said, the Jedi were 'stifled' by tradition which means, I think, they possibly prevented growth because their own history told them that powerful Jedi are also dangerous and therefore keeping someone from realising their true potential would prevent them becoming a threat to the Order. Dagan Gera is a prime example of someone who was given the sufficient freedom to stray from the Path and as such threatened the Order when their needs weren't met. In contrast Mace Windu was on the Council and so had the space to become the badass m*therf*cker he was.
Ultimately Cal has been afforded substantial space whilst also benefiting from the two titles: Fallen Order being the loss of the controls that would have kept him in check with constant tutelage from his Master and Survivor adding to that power because, and I'm quoting something else entirely now, but I think it's apt, in the game of survival there are no rules. Bode reminds Cal of his own self-imposed rules about love in the game, but it's probably the last bastion of adherence to the old ways that Cal is still following. Otherwise he hasn't held himself back too much, perhaps the last power-amp being driven by the death of his surrogate Master as history threatens to repeat itself.
I just hope we get Force Jump in the next game cos all that platforming can be a right pain!
I really loved the way he crushes the droids like aluminum cans of softdrinks every time he embraces his darkness, if only he learns force lightning he'd be an even more formidable opponent against the empire
Cal in Jedi Fallen Order: Aang
Cal in Jedi Surviver: Could Strife
What a transformation exquisite. 😎
I absolutely love both of these characters but I really don’t see how Cal relates to them? Can you explain? 👍
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In Jedi: Fallen Order, Cal was way too much of a pacifist, and outside dozens of Stormtroopers, Bounty Hunters, and Monsters. Cal never really killed any big gain.
In Jedi: Surviver: Cal literally catches bodies left and right with such finest, yet remains leveled-headed. Like Could Strife from FF7, Cal even sounds like Could, sometimes.
I liked the fluid saber style he used.
Idiots mentioning Starkiller when the creators of the Force Unleashed said his canonical events are in the book, where he's no where near as powerful and the only reason he was so OP on the game was to make it more fun but he's not actually that strong. He never pulled a Star Destroyer out of orbit for example, he guided one that was falling. He didn't beat Vader in the Force Unleashed novelization, he lost quite badly. Star Wars fans don't even pay attention to the media they claim to love
There's a novel of the Force unleashed?
A graphic novel too
Even in the force unleashed 2 the more powerful clone starkiller said the best he can hope for is a stalemate against Vader and was glad Vader opted to force a surrender instead of killing him outright.
Little late to the party, but this, this is the comment I was looking for. Even if Star Killer’s game power was cannon, I hate how people use Star Killer to diminish Cal’s feats
The novel is an afterthought to most fans. The games are Starkiller's main storyline, canon or not. So you can't blame people for saying Starkiller is OP when that's the primary representation of him in Star Wars.
Not to mention, he's really young. His physical strength and agility would far outmatch most surviving Jedi or Sith, not to mention his crazy abilities. His ability to stop/slow time is a huge advantage on its own because he most likely has a much faster reaction time compared to pretty much anything he comes across. Aside from that, he's also not restrained by the Jedi teachings and is able to embrace both sides of the force for his own benefit and others'. Him being able to use the dark side for good is what also made Mace Windu so powerful.
I hope we see more of new and all Jedi in the new Star Wars TV series and movies like mace windu and quinlan vos
videogame force users are always the most powerful
What if Cal Ketis Force Stasis becomes so powerful that he is able to Stop Time around him?
He almost achieves this in Jedi Survivor
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The jedi games are the only good thing to come out of the Disney era
One of my FAVORITE Star Wars characters. I adore the games and I'm dying to see a live action appearance.
He’s got a lot going against him in the Disney verse, he’s male, straight white and has red hair.
They’ll make him a diverse lesbian and lame to get the quota killtacular.
He's just the classic "I learned from the school of life" archetype, he's good because he learned to fight and use the Force, not in some cozy room in Coruscant deflecting laser bolts from a Marksman-H, but by actually fighting other soldiers and sith.
He's like in RPGs when you just go straight towards the higher level enemies, tough it out and beat them which makes you level up much faster than with natural progression.
Let’s go!!!!!
Yeah! He's powerful!!
I turned him into a Purge Trooper killer and Bounty Hunter killer playing as him...
Heck... All those gamers who do no-damage videos make Cal look like a force to be reckoned with...
Now all we need is part 3 of the jedi trilogy to see him at his peak, with hopefully a apprentice and cameo from Ezra
the apprentice would be his and merrin's adopted daughter, Kata, biological daughter of Bode.
One thing that I love about Cal’s confuse technique is that when he uses it when embracing the dark side his enemies will collapse to the ground and die killed by the pure anger and hatred that cal feels being so badass
Cal kestis it’s even much more powerful stronger, faster, and smarter than jarus And Ezra Bridger because he was named a Jedi knight and surpassed his Jedi master
Ezra and kanon jarus aren’t even that strong so being that’s not saying much
@@LyzeofQill well Cal has more abilities and more powers obviously and I bet he’s even now Jedi master equal to quinlan vos but still below Luke Skywalker
@@LyzeofQillThey are a lot stronger than they seem and are stronger than the average ones in their ranks back then yet Cal still has overall better scaling iirc
Adult Ezra might be stronger though given he fights much stronger force users who can press Ashoka who while below Vader can still fight and damage him, something only Cere Aka Cal’s master can do after training and becoming more one with the light side, her and Ahsoka also have scaling above the Prequels Jedi Council via statements.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls OK, but we haven’t seen any of them in screen time and we don’t even know what have they been doing and besides he became a Jedi knight by a real Jedi master while jarus became a Jedi knight by a dead Jedi
@@YayoHernandez-b1jCal likely beats Vos but he’s nowhere near even Luke that lost to Vader cuz he’s said above Obi-wan and yoda in raw power in the force iirc tho I might be confused with legends statements lol
I’ll have to check again with my friends but yeah Cal is getting there yet he is not done, hopefully we get a third game and see him become his own master yet ofc he can’t kill Vader cuz of canon tho maybe he can put up a fight like his Master.
His rare force ability gives him a tactical in terms of info and knowledge plus huge edge when it comes to detective work
The way he plays in the two games makes you FEEL his increase in power betweem the two games.
Dont get me wrong, he is no Starkiller, but he has the benefit of feeling powerful while retaining at least some belieability rather than force pulling entire star destroyers out of orbit and force crushing AT-ATs into the size of an Xbox One.
Starkiller guided an already falling star destroyer, which is still huge but not the same. Plus in canon books Starkiller is being nerfed as he was seen as much to OP in the games and got his ass kicked by Vader rather than the opposite. It's kind of a retcon, and while The Force Unleashed games are now EU, Kesti's games still canon
i feel like he became a cannon version of kyle katarn from the old jedi outcast games
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"Trust no one. Trust only... in the Force."
It's because he has the forbidden force ability "Force Ginger." The force amplified by the soulless black void of ginger power. Cal is so adept with this technique, he has managed to overcome the "ginger curse" and remained a white ginger, rather than being retconned into a black person like all other gingers tend to be for some weird reason..truly an impressive feat of power.
If he continues to advance in power, and as rapidly as we've seen, I could see a very real chance of The Emperor giving Cal his personal attention. Which would be quite the show down.
A couple things to keep in mind in this analysis: 1) Most of Cal's power is amplified for gameplay and narrative reasons. 2) His lightsaber style only incorporates pieces of actual jedi training but largely consists of him filling in the gaps himself. This leaves a lot of wiggle room for one of the trickiest things to power scale in these stories, which is narrative convenience. He will only ever be as powerful as the story allows him to be; sometimes he will appear very powerful, sometimes he will appear weak and unrefined.
The safest way to scale Cal is based on what the story has told us, which is this: Cere, as a jedi master, knighted Cal formally as a jedi knight. So I would scale him for sure as a clone-wars era jedi knight, probably well past the stage at which he would take on a padawan of his own. His survival skills and force abilities are well above average, no question. But I suspect his formal lightsaber skills are roughly par at best, with their shortcomings being made up for with creativity and sheer grit. My evidence for this: he adapted a blaster into lightsaber combat- something any average jedi would never do, nor would they typically need to. It's an admission that he needs to kill in order to boost his chances of surviving an encounter.
Take in count that even before being knighted by Cere he was fighting Taron Malicos (with Merrin's help but he could still keep well), who was a jedi master that fall into the darkside. In addition, they were fighting in Dathomir. So by default Cal should a pretty strong jedi knight to do something like that. For the second game he fights enemies that aren't average, Rayvis and Dagan Gera have pretty good statements about their power. Then, even if we just limited to what the story tell us and leave aside the gameplay he still would be a pretty powerful jedi knight or maybe in the level of a jedi master or more.
I would personally place Cal somewhere around Ahsoka Tano or Darth Maul level.
When it comes to the survivor story, I think the mystery of bode's master may well come in the next installment, like sidious, bode was able to completely mask his mind from detection from nearby force users. He wasnt aligned at all with the inquisitors so it was likely somebody outside this realm.
The rule of two is only so when the current sith lord cant detect any other sith around except for his apprentice. The star wars universe NEEDS more independant force users that arent aligned with the normally known factions, however hazardous it is for them to exist so.
He has never taken down a Star Destroyer nor defeated a former Jedi Council member and Darth Vader.
He did however single handedly assault an imperial fortress. Defeat a gen’dai who was equivalent to at least 5 high republic level Master Jedi, and defeated former Jedi Master Taron Malicos
Galen had training from Vader, like previously one of the top Jedi in the entire order, one of the strongest Sith managing to get 80% on the level of one of the most powerful Sith ever plus Vader in the novelization was basically holding back in some level, however I'm not underplaying Galen's potential and power but he had more things to help extract his potential
@@TenToAceStudiosmalicos would have killed cal if merrin didn't interfere.
@@empoweredshemphoward Malicos was triple amped (dark side, Dathomir, tomb of Kujet) and Cal was matching him saber to saber. Take away the Kujet amp at least, and Cal woulda had it, much less Survivor Cal who would crush Malicos without even needing dark side.
Yes because hes not an overpowered anime character like Marek being put into Star Wars
Cal is someone i can relate too.
He's also compassionate, and loyal to his crew, and always tries to do the thing. He makes mistakes sure but cal is still a true jedi.
Cal is the Gohan of Star Wars
6:04 "With just a flick of his wrist, he can move tons of weight."
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EA has confirmed that a 3rd and final jedi game, it will be interesting to see the events after jedi survivor, and see him become even stronger than Cere Junda
I think rn Cal is on par with Quinlon Voss and Pong Krell in terms of Force Abilities and combat Prowess. If he continues on his trajectory or turns to the dark side and lets his anger dictate how he uses his power, he could reach Galen Marick levels of power.
AotC Obi-Wan Kenobi level.
He won't be able to reach star killer, bro Galen beat Vader and rival sidous, Kal cante even compete against Vader bro