NEW Bachmann Spectrum 2-6-0 in
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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2024
- A full real-time unboxing of this gorgeous re-issue of the 2-6-0, looking at the good bits AND the not-so-good bits. This is the Denver & Rio Grande 'Raton' version of this locomotive.
In 1:20.3 scale, this is the latest locomotive that Bachmann have made in this scale.
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I live about 7 hours from Raton, NM and Raton Pass and go through there regularly to go to the Colorado and New Mexico narrow gauge. (Ra Tone) is the proper way to pronounce it. Love your stuff! ...Claude Oh yeah....who needs food??? Buy more trains!!
Thanks Claude. I wish I could pass through that region more often.
Oh and... I have more trains on the way, but not another Jackson Sharp yet 😂🤦♂️
Hi Ho again Simon … thank you for your replies. Share another thought or few with you and your subscribers re my added experience and dealings with the Bach 2-6-0 mogul. Bachmann did not design its mogul with thought in mind to having it pull numbers of 1:20.3 AMS cars, which are much heavier than Bach rolling stock/coach cars. My mogul initially struggled pulling even 3 AMS cars; however, now the pull is 5 AMS cars (boxcar, flatcar, 2 coaches, short caboose) without significant (observable) strain. The variables impacting upon pulling performance are significant re all manufactures’ engines and cars, not just the Bach mogul. Attention to reduce on track “drag friction” needs to be focused upon lubrication of engine, tender and car wheels (most important), clean engine wheels and clean track to improve traction, degree of track incline if any, and drag related to wheel brushes for car lights. Obviously, there is a maximum limit to the number of cars any engine can pull successfully. For my Bach mogul the limit is the 5 AMS cars referenced above; each of the two AMS coaches weighs in at 6lbs. The 5 AMS cars are a heavy pull!
Cheers,
Dr. Ric
Thanks Ric.
One extra point I could add about my running session was the minimum diameter curved were LGB R5, which is roughly 16 feet diameter.
She looks beautiful pulling your D&RG themed freight train.
Thank you. I plan to have an actual D&RG train rather than using D&RGW with this engine. I've been looking to find pictures of old rolling stock to see how they were marked up during that era.
"Rah-TONE", is how it's pronounced. The pass that connects Colorado with New Mexico is called the Raton Pass.
Brilliant. Thank you!
One of my favorite engines of yours
Mine too!
Beautiful locomotive
@@timbonjovi Oh it is. 😊
Thanks!
That's really cool! Must have been really fun when you opened that one!
And when you placed it on the track! Awesome train! Great video!
Thank You for sharing!
Oh yes, I quickly came to love this engine.
Thanks so much. And thanks for subscribing!
G'day Simon ... have to get back to you re the 2nd generation Bachman Spectrum 2-6-0 mogul. Thoroughly enjoyed your video, and, per your video recommendation, I jumped to Al Kramer for the mogul, me a return customer to Al; he dutifully complied with a thank you, Ric! Yes, beautiful, but with pros vs cons & likes vs dislikes. I had the two older (20yrs ago) Bach Spect, 1:20.3, moguls, my wife's favorites of all my 1:20.3 engines at the time. I sold both a few yrs ago along with all my non-Accucraft and AMS stuff - needed a downsize. I have 10 AMS 1:20.3 Jackson-Sharpe coaches, two of which are the green D&RGW (a combine and passenger), and thought, as you expressed in your video, a "match" with the new Bach Spect 2-6-0 is exactly what I need for the two "orphans!" Upon getting the mogul, I seriously thought about getting a 3rd AMS, green J-S coach - I am glad I did not now; reason on that shortly. First, am I pleased with the mogul? Yes. I agree the coal load is a bummer, and I changed the appearance from tender front to extreme rear by gluing fish tank gravel (look-a-like black coal) over the plastic coal load. What an enhancement - worked magnificently! I added a sound board (also from Al Kramer), and three Rail Road Avenue, 1:20.3 scale, figures to the cab to replace the Bachmann "funky" two figures; a nice match indeed. Next up is "weathering" to dull the shiny but well done Bachmann paint job. The engine runs and sounds quite nice & good - happy guy. Now for a few words of caution (the cons) re the 2-6-0 mogul: (1) Connecting and disconnecting the two separate wire units from engine to tender is not a "slam dunk," and disconnecting is daunting. If connected successfully, the fit is snug, tight, thereby making the disconnect a struggle. Attempting a disconnect by tugging on the wires is a no no. A disconnect is to be pursued with engine and tender on their sides; using one's thump or a probe, initiate a back and forth motion to prey the plug out of the tender receptacle; yes, a struggle. Suggest strongly that engine and tender remain interconnected and removed from and loaded onto the track together as a single unit, thereby avoiding potential damage re a problematical connect/disconnect.
(2) The new Bach Spect 2-6-0 mogul is not a "big hauler," by that I mean the motor is not powerful enough to pull a large number of cars, at least not my AMS cars. The big, big disappoint for me was the struggle pulling my two AMS Jackson-Sharpe coaches, each of which weighs in at 6lbs, with added cars! Add a third 6lb coach? No way! After several trials involving various numbers and types of cars, I finally came upon an acceptable combination that worked but with a struggle and strain on the mogul: a compromised Bach Big Hauler flat car with plastic wheels (not a beauty but does serve nicely as a "load" car), one AMS boxcar, the two AMS J-S green combine and passenger cars, and an AMS short caboose, all with D&RGW road name. Five cars maximum; six cars if the two AMS J-S cars are left out of the mix. The weak pulling power of my mogul was not anticipated, and this is the personal disappointment. I would recommend Bachmann to use, if possible, the same motor used in their Spectrum K28 engine - a wee bit late however! Despite the slow, struggle pull of my 5 cars set attached to the mogul, I am pleased that the Bach Spect 2-6-0 mogul has provided renewed meaning to my two "orphan" AMS J-S coaches.
Thank you, Simon, for all you do. Stay young, look both ways, remain vertical. Cheers,
Dr. Ric in Williamsburg, Virginia, USA,
Apologies for a mistake I just became aware of in my above comment/reply to Simon's video re the Bachmann Spectrum 2-6-0 mogul. The mistake above is my listing of 5 cars associated with the mogul; the correct number is 4, minus the boxcar. Ideally, I wanted to include a boxcar, but inclusion of the boxcar, even if I excluded the flatcar, was to much weight for the mogul to pull without stalling out. So for me, successful pulling power of my 2-6-0 mogul was limited to only four cars: one Bachmann Big Hauler flatcar (with plastic wheels), two AMS coaches, and an AMS short caboose. A severely restricted, successful pulling power associated with the Bachmann Spectrum, 1:20.3, 2-6-0 mogul.
Simon … continuing to struggle with the Bach 2-6-0 mogul struggle pulling AMS 1:20.3 cars, all of which are heavy with metal wheels. Have determined with considerable testing the mogul with some struggle may pull a maximum of 4 AMS cars (i. e., box car, two Jackson- Sharpe coaches, short caboose); however, I have encountered no struggle, no pulling issue with 6 non-AMS, plastic wheel cars + an AMS short caboose with metal wheels. This is regardless if mogul drive wheels and track are dirty. I would submit with disappointment the pulling power of the Bach 2-6-0 mogul indeed is compromised by the number of heavy AMS metal wheel cars to be pulled by the Bach mogul; it’s motor is not strong enough to accommodate readily much more than 4 AMS cars.
Cheers,
Dr. Ric
Great job and nice locomotive. Yes it is pronounced Ratone , I live in Boca Raton Florida for many years and that was the way I always heard it. I have a few g-scale locos and rolling stock but I don't have a room to start any kind of project yet. I hope to change that in the near future.
As far as should you invest in another passenger car, I say yes and that you can always eat next year.
Next year? Jeez, that's like... a whole year away! 😂
Great. Ra-tone. Thank you.
I hope you find the space you need. This is still just my 'test track', I am looking for a place with a huge garden. (It's been two years now!)
Thanks for the comment, Paul.
Simon.
Nice one Simon ! Buy now, play lots later !
Nice. Thank you! 👍
It nice to see someone run the 1:20.3 scale, and it not be a lumber train, or setup.
Logging is quite popular and I can see the appeal: less space needed due to smaller trains and slower running speed, and there's a quirkiness to the industry so you can be more imaginative.
However, I am a fan of the Rio Grande and plan to have a layout that represents a mini part of Colorado (when I have the space).
Many thanks Dewey!
Very nice Simon.
Thank you George!
Hey Simon , nice looking engine, I got one from Al this past summer! Had the same problem with the smoke stack! I also would said a nice coach or two are nice behind it, but the big haulers are not the same scale but your AMS”s would look good! And make sure the engine is lubricant well!
Hi Phillip. Thanks, yeah I love it.
So yours had the loose stack too? Did you do anything to fix it? Not that I can see it being a problem.
Yes I think I'll have to get a coach. I have Big Hauler coaches from years ago, and have 6 AMS ones already 😂. I show the difference in my Eureka coupler correction video.
Thanks for commenting!
It definitely needs some red carriages. I like the yellow ones too! 😉👍
I've made enquiries, they're not available yet. 👍
The yellow ones look great, but they are a few decades later. 😉 They'd be fine with my other engines though.
Thanks for your comment!
Ratone is the correct pronunciation . love the Denver Rio Grande. Any train, really.
Yeah. Pronouncing it like that doesn't feel right to me, but I'll have to I suppose. Ha!
Yes, all trains are great but there is something special about the old Rio Grande.
Thanks for your comment Carolyn.
Simon, you do not need food, buy another coach! That's a beautiful locomotive! A little big for my show but beautiful none the less!
Thank you 😁👍
I'm not sure I have space myself. See all the boxes and models behind me? 😂
I'm still looking for a bigger house.
Thanks for commenting.
I have the same problem in O gauge. Never enough shelves to store and show it all. And if i ever bought a bigger house, more would come to fill it up... its a monotonous circle of space and acquisition. There could be worse problems to be had... ;-)
@@AkRyder68 "Ah, yes. More space to put too much stuff in!" 😂
Wow... my comment is way before I finish this video because I couldn't wait you have awesome patience But definitely deliver an awesome video thanks Simon now I'm going back to watching it 😎🤘 Always a treat and never disappointed 👍
So you haven't even seen me ask for comments yet? 😂
Thanks Dave, much appreciated. 👍
@@ThatBIGTRAINGuy I just hit the mark where it says you need to lubricate them
Very important! 😂
Hey Simon … more info to share re the 2-6-0 mogul. Continuing to be frustrated re the limited pulling strength of the mogul, that is pulling AMS cars per se. Have discovered, as is the case with other and all engines, if the wheels are dirty the engine traction is reduced, thereby reducing the pulling of attached cars. Dirty mogul wheels contribute significantly to reducing the mogul pull; this adds to and is coupled with the inherent weakness of the mogul motor. Result is slip sliding away as Paul’s Simon song says - slip sliding away! So … best to keep cleaning them wheels.
Cheers,
Dr. Ric
Williamsburg, Virginia,
USA
Hola Simón, leí un comentario sobre el carbón, yo tengo modelos en escala HO, y como donde vivo no hay nada de trenes, hay que construir los accesorios, y el carbón lo obtuve de unos filtros para el agua. Disfruté mucho tu video, gracias por compartir. Saludos de un chileno viviendo en Colombia.
¡Hola Alexis! Tuve que usar un traductor. Aprendí español en la escuela, pero eso fue hace mucho tiempo. Solo recuerdo las malas palabras. ¡Jaja! El carbón de un filtro de agua es interesante, parte del disfrute es ser creativo. ¡Muchas gracias!
Simon, you do not need food. Buy another coach! Loving your videos, gone back and watched almost everything. Thinking about ordering the Grizzly Flats Bachmann soon!
Haha! Well, in about two weeks it will be ONE YEAR since I ordered a coach and a gondola from Accucraft. (After a slight misunderstanding, I may have two gons in different livery). I have no idea what is going on with my order. I keep asking and I get no information. I ordered via Graham of Accucraft UK, and doesn't get told anything. Accucraft US have not responded to me. So, I don't have any idea when or even if I'll get my order.
Anyway, I'm really glad you are enjoying my videos. More coming soon, and later in the year it'll be really exciting as I'm tracing much of the Rio Grande between Salt Lake City and Denver!
Thanks Jeremy! 👍
Oh and,.... get that engine! 😁
@@ThatBIGTRAINGuy the Emma Nevada is going to have to wait a bit, I just won an auction on eBay for the LGB Chloe. It’s shipping from the UK to California so it’ll be a bit! Funny, I’ve got the big hauler coach for the Emma Nevada but not the mini excursion for the Chloe… back to eBay! 🤣
@@jeremydegeytere8385 Very nice! Well, it sounds like you are making a nice collection 👍
I think that Bachmann at Barwell might cover the warranty. Nice loco. Some of the coal we have at the railway at the bottom of the pile is like power station dust and makes good wat to make the casting look like real coal.
Rule 1 applies, it's your train run it with what you like.
Oh really? I'll look into that. Thanks. I've spent so much on models since the start of 2020 and not really expected any warranties. 😂
I did use real coal on a Bachmann 4-6-0 many years ago. I built a new bunker out of plastic card so I could make it look half full. Apart from crushing the coal too coarse (first attempt) it turned out pretty well. I'm sure it will appear in a video at some point.
Thanks for commenting!
Simon
Just bought Al Kramer’s last one based on your review
That's brilliant! I should keep a tab on what people have told me they've bought from my help 😂
When I bought mine, there were four 'in stock', but then twelve were added after. But if it said just one, maybe you really did get the last one!
I hope you enjoy it.
This is my first 1:20.3 engine. My collection is all 00 and HO. Could you tell me What DCC power supply would I need to run it.
Oh really? Wow! Welcome to the ultimate railroading scale.
As for DCC, I also have to learn about this. I don't need it for my test track of a railroad at the moment, but in time I will. When the time comes, I will share my experience.
@@ThatBIGTRAINGuy what dc supply could I use. I’m a total novice
@@georgebottarini1788 Currently I use my old LGB controller. It's near 20 years old, but the transformer is part 50110 and the controller is 51070. It's 18 Volts and 5 Amps. Does fine for just going around my garden.
Simon … have you had no difficulty with your Bachmann 2-6-0 pulling AMS coaches? Now have my 2-6-0 pulling AMS stock car, 2 AMS coaches, short caboose. A struggle pulling if a boxcar or a 3rd coach is added. Have determined the drag is related to a number of issues: dirty track, dirty mogul drive wheels, and wheels on attacked coaches and other cars that require a running (used) “break in” period to reduce wheel rotation friction. The latter is a major factor inhibiting the mogul 2-6-0 pulling successfully.
Hiya! Apologies for not responding sooner on this matter, I just have not had the time to investigate in recent weeks.
I have no intention of running this engine with a long train. I have on order just one red D&RG coach from Accucraft (I'm waiting a while as they haven't scheduled production of the livery yet) and will run it with just a couple of freight cars. I have an AMS boxcar and a Bachmann Spectrum flat car which I will both re-mark as D&RG, plus I have an AMS high-side gondola in D&RG on order which should be arriving any time now. (Ordered six months ago!)
I did manage to do a trial for your benefit yesterday, and ran Raton outside with four AMS Jackson Sharps. Seemed fine, maybe not quite as speedy as it would be on it's own. My track is pretty much flat, and it was clean. It had been raining, so the rails were slightly wet too. My other two coaches are packed away in their boxes, but I think four seemed to be it's limit.
So, that's my trial.
Cheers Ric!
Simon
Superb video, I'd love to see a lubrication one, as I've recently got one of these and I'm sure it would be really useful. On a different subject, I have an original LGB chloe which has seen very little use but now refuses to run yet the lamp illuminates. Any suggestions on someone who could look at it ?
Thanks very much. I did film me lubricating, but I wasn't quite happy with it. Then I got an idea which could be quite funny, so I'll see what I can do this weekend.
I'm not really experienced in troubleshooting, but does it make any sound at all? Any buzzing? Is it lubricated? Have you tried taking it apart?
Thanks
@@ThatBIGTRAINGuy It wasn't running very well, kept stuttering but then it was ok for a few minutes until it suddenly stopped altogether. The light still illuminates but absolutely nothing else. I've taken the bottom off and there's no obvious signs. It's one of the belt driven ones. Oh and yes to the carriage.
@@kevintaylor1960 Seems like there may be a dodgy connection somewhere, maybe mechanical or electrical, but I'm no expert I'm afraid.
I hope you manage to get it sorted.
Ha! Thanks, I'm looking into the coach. The D&RG ones are on backorder at the moment, so that will give some time to save money ;-)
I'm also looking into some other D&RG rolling stock options.
Nice locomotive
It so is. A lovely thing indeed. Thank you!
Wow you guys over in the UK pay if you're buying outside the country... That's a true Rail Roader!!! You don't need food or heat... hell, you can walk to work... So yeah you need a coach.... Keepem coming brother!!
Yes, it certainly adds to the overall cost! I'm not sure how I'm affording all of this. Haha!
I'm looking into the coach (and possibly other stuff). Plenty more to come. Thanks David!
Cool!!
Thanks Mr. Builder. 😉
Hey Simon …. Back to you with update re my 2-6-0 mogul pull power issue and a question. At present, my Bachman 2-6/0 is pulling two AMS coaches and three additional cars with far less struggle compared to previous dilemma - perhaps because mogul engine a bit more “broken in” to running along with more lubrication applied to wheels of the five cars. Your Bachmann K27 video demonstrates easy great pull of your 6 AMS coaches - that’s 36 pounds of cars behind our K27 and it “scoots” well! My question to you is: have you tried pulling your AMS coaches behind your 2-6-0 mogul? What success have you had? How many coaches can be pulled without a struggle? Thanks and cheers, Ric
The red coaches would look great.
I made the order about 10 months ago. I have no idea when (or even if) my order will come through. 🤦♂️
Great idea for another video. Buy the coach and just eat greens.
I'm not sure people will want to watch me eat greens 😂
What about aquarium charcoal to simulate the coal in the tender? Might work. Just rinse it and let it dry and you have your coal. Just a thought.
I've seen people suggest that. I've not seen the result though, so probably worth a look. I do have access to coal from the railway I occasionally work on, so I think it's kinda nice just to know it's real steam coal. 😉. But yeah, there are options to consider.
Raton does closely resemble Glenbrook. However a point made by you, Glenbrook has no road name and road number. Enjoy her. I’m still getting Glenbrook though.
A Glenbrook will make a fine addition your your others 😉
Simon you don’t need food… you need a k-36
😂😂😂
Cracking video. I know it’s called Raton, but what is the number of this beast? Of course you need to buy another coach. Lovely looking model, but a lot of self assembly needed by the looks of things...did the smokestack stay on okay?
Raton is number 15, marked only on the smoke box door and the back of the tender, not on the sides.
I'll look at getting a coach.
With this scale, with all the details, it's kind of expected that you'll have to put a couple of bits back into place. You just hope that the packaging has taken that into account so the risk parts don't do damage.
The smoke stack does stay on ok it's not going to fall off, but it is far looser than my other engines. I might try to fix it better, but I don't think it will be a problem if I don't.
Thanks for your comment!
Simon
Irl railroads online?
Sorry, I don't know what you are referring to.
Does it have traction tires?
No, it's all metal contact wheels.
See my lubrication video for a better look 😉
I just finished now and I want to say you're coffee mug Eddie in the woman's body holding the hatchet in her hand killers with the hand extended out what's in it?????? I don't want to offend anybody but you know what it is 🤘🤘🤘🤘😎 If I ever stop over I will bring some of my engines and I will definitely bring my bass guitar show you my Steve Harris moves 🤘😎
That's Eddie's skinny body, not a woman's 😂
Ummm.... it could be tea, it could be coffee,..... it could be something else. (Depends on the time of day) 😉. If I'm drinking beer, you'll know. I have a full array of beer glasses for all beer styles. 😝
If you visit with trains and your bass, that would be awesome. 🤘😁🤘
@@ThatBIGTRAINGuy It's supposed to be the Queen of England's head and that's her body that's what I was told when I was 13 years old jamming with my friends
Really? Weird. I've never heard that before. Eddie started as just a theatre prop which they named 'Eddie The Head'. (Or 'ead). There was artwork of him having just murdered Margaret Thatcher, but not The Queen. 🤔
I was able to watch and visit the live after death tour... it was amazing to see him come out on stage over 9' tall and dance around everybody.. Iron maiden is one of my most favorite bands ever.. Big inspiration and I wish I was on Bruce Dickinson's plane.. when he was flying it for every tour most people don't know he was the pilot 😎🤘 I could be wrong But the hands that are grabbing the bottom of her waists were hers
You were there on that tour??? Wow!!! I've seen them at least 13 times from 2006, but WOW!
They still have 'walk-on Eddie' and 'Big Eddie', in whatever guise the current theme requires. I did actually go on a Bruce Air trip years ago where he took a plane load of fans from England to a place in Europe to see a show, (mine was in Valencia, Spain) and then fly everyone back the next day. I met him and their manager, Rod Smallwood. 😁
Ra-tone is closer to the pronunciation in New Mexico.
Great. Thank you Scott. 👍
Sir good morning with important not that a lot of knowledge and model assembling by different shape and size so please suggest track gadge mm
Hi Vinay.
It is 1:20.3 scale, which is known as F Scale.
It runs on Gauge 1 track, which is 45mm.
Bachmann Spectrum, Accucraft and AMS are manufactures of this scale.
I hope this helps. See my other videos and you will see many more models in this scale.
Thank you!
As requested - buy another coach!
Is anyone going to say "No, save your money"? 😂
Thanks Matthew. 👍
I also have a coal burning 2-6-0 named Emma Nevada. She’s also a real 2-6-0 that was once owned by Walt Disney animator Ward Kimball on his backyard full scale narrow gauge railroad named Grizzly Flats Railroad. Ward had Emma and an 0-4-2 Forneny named Chloe. I have great pictures of both of them I’d love to share with you over Facebook or Instagram. There as precious as Gold.
Ah yes. I am familiar with Ward Kimball. 😉
Very nice!
Hi Simon, I have the same and am very pleased with it....looks beautiful. However the problem Bachmann still have is that although its a Spectrum, it still trying to be all things to all men, or more correctly children as a 'toy'. The electronics are an example of this, with a completely overcomplicated wiring system with 16 wires going to and from the loco, with switches behind the fire box door, that duplicate the switches in the tender, utterly ridiculous. There is NO room for a 14.8v battery pack in the tender, because the circuit board is far too large, with 2 plug ins. Bachmann save money and simplify to NMRA standards, and like Simon says, 2 chuffs...WHY!!! Also the coupler height. Every Bachmann I own has had to be modified to NMRA height standard.
Also the centre Drivers are HUGHLY oversize, and not flanged, which they could be as they and the front drivers are so closely linked.
So is it a 'toy' or is it an upmarket Model......same with the smoker. Is it a toy or is it a model. Well we all know the answer to that...
Great loco but not good enough. So I have stripped out all the rubbish. There are 8 leads that need to go to the loco, for the Motor, Fan, Firebox and Front light. Cant run the silly smoker with a Battery anyway. PS: no wiring Diagram unlike their Shay.
Hiya!
Yeah, I get that. It's really good, but just lacking in some areas. These models are very expensive to produce though, hence why they don't do them at all anymore.
This one is a vast improvement on the first run though. (See my Eureka. As beautiful as it is, what should be a stained wood cab is solid orange plastic!)
Thanks for your comments, Mate. Cheers.
The Spanish word “Ratón” means Rat or large mouse, depending on which Spanish speaking country you are in.
Thanks. Yeah I translated "raton" and it said "mouse". I checked "rat" and the Spanish came back as "rata".
Like you say, different areas have variances.
Buy another coach. Just don't be surprised at how much bigger an AMS J&S coach is than your locomotive. They really are the same scale... The Big Hauler's are incorrect for this model.
Thanks. I already have 6 AMS Jackson Sharps. 😂. They are just the green Denver & Rio Grande Western, not the red Denver & Rio Grande. 😉
Here's my video on the AMS coaches:
ua-cam.com/video/RDmTHWV6h7E/v-deo.html
...and here's my Eureka getting fixed to take the AMS coach, with a quick comparison of the Big Hauler with the AMS.
Thanks Robert. 👍
ua-cam.com/video/Gp1dv8PfF1Y/v-deo.html