Bachmann First Generation Large Scale 2-6-0 Mogul - With Gear Problems!
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- One of Bachmann's first Spectrum large-scale locomotives, the 2-6-0 Mogul is a beautiful model. Rereleased just a few years ago, the first-generation model was not as well made. Still though, a great model. It just needs HELP!
The first-gen Mogul is notorious for spinning its' gears off the axle and true to form, while we were running this one, it spun its' gear and came to a stop. SO in a future show, we will be repairing this STUPID problem.
The new Bachmann Spectrum 2-6-0 is a MUCH better model and does not have these (or any) mechanical problems. HOWEVER, the early model is a fun project model and can be had for a great price on eBay where the new model sells for about $700.00
Wickipedia:
In the United States and Europe, the 2-6-0 wheel arrangement was principally used on tender locomotives. This type of locomotive was widely built in the United States from the early 1860s to the 1920s.
Although examples were built as early as 1852-53 by two Philadelphia manufacturers, Baldwin Locomotive Works and Norris Locomotive Works, these first examples had their leading axles mounted directly and rigidly on the frame of the locomotive rather than on a separate truck or bogie.[2] On these early 2-6-0 locomotives, the leading axle was merely used to distribute the weight of the locomotive over a larger number of wheels. It was therefore essentially an 0-8-0 with an unpowered leading axle and the leading wheels did not serve the same purpose as, for example, the leading trucks of the 4-4-0 American or 4-6-0 Ten-Wheeler types which, at the time, had been in use for at least a decade.
The first American 2-6-0 with a rigidly mounted leading axle was the Pawnee, built for heavy freight service on the Philadelphia and Reading Rail Road. In total, about thirty locomotives of this type were built for various American railroads. While they were generally successful in slow, heavy freight service, the railroads that used these first 2-6-0 locomotives didn't see any great advantages in them over the 0-6-0 or 0-8-0 designs of the time. The railroads noted their increased pulling power, but also found that their rather rigid suspension made them more prone to derailments than the 4-4-0 locomotives of the day. Many railroad mechanics attributed these derailments to having too little weight on the leading truck.
The first true 2-6-0s were built in the early 1860s, the first few being built in 1860 for the Louisville and Nashville Railroad. The new design required the utilisation of a single-axle swivelling truck. Such a truck was first patented in the United Kingdom by Levi Bissell in May 1857.[2]
In 1864, William S. Hudson, then the superintendent of Rogers Locomotive and Machine Works, patented an equalized leading truck that was able to move independently of the driving axles. This equalized suspension worked much better over the uneven tracks of the day. The first locomotive built with such a leading truck was likely completed in 1865 for the New Jersey Railroad and Transportation Company as their number 39.
It is likely that the locomotive class name derives from a locomotive named Mogul, built by Taunton Locomotive Manufacturing Company in 1866 for the Central Railroad of New Jersey. However, it has also been suggested that, in England, it derived from the engine of that name built by Neilson and Company for the Great Eastern Railway in 1879.
What are you waiting for?... lets get that thing tore apart! Better than watching static grass grow.. :D
Lol
Nice looking engine .yes that's part of the fun rebuilding a steam engine . almost like real life . Have a great week . thank you
Thanks!!!
Dale, Just have to get another one! Happy to help. Regards Stephen. PS (This is the size and style of the tin train I had in the 1960s.)
Found a new gear! Will try that and get another one!
@@ToyManTelevision Hooray!
Very nice looking engine
Every time I watch you guys on a Tuesday I end up on ebay looking at garden railway stuff! Fortunately it's mid afternoon (UK time) so no beer has been consumed and no buy-it-now option selected!!! But please don't stop! ;-) Cheers
Pub. Soon. Anyway get a locomotive. Just for fun.
Thats a very cool peice of history!!!!
In ho their 3 truck climax 1st run had a lot of problems, stemming from plastic gears. I have the second iteration it has metal gears dcc and sound, it runs fine. You always bring a lot of memories for me, I constantly enjoy your shows.
Beautiful locomotive.
Nice video enjoyed it.
I’m already growing a large scale train collection. I have the current Bachmann 2-6-0 Emma Nevada, new run of LGB/Marklin Chloe and her first class passenger car, and Tweetsie Railroad #12, 4-6-0 anniversary edition with metal side rods. To complete my 19th century large scale collection of locomotives or as I call them, “Golden Relics” is Eureka and Palisade #4, and the 2-6-0 Glenbrook. Eureka and Glenbrook are visiting the Cumbres and Toltec Scenic Railroad this August. I hope y’all are going. I wanna see great videos. I nickname those 19th century steam locomotives Golden Relics because to me real or model, there as precious as Gold. Pure Gold.
Hi. Yup we bought tickets for the eureka and Glenbrook about a year and a half ago...
I’m with you Pinchy Zero Eight! I spent the entire day on July 4, 1995 riding the Cumbres & Toltec Scenic RR. We had a ‘Double Header’ until the top of Windy Point, then stopped at the wye, sent one engine back to Chama, NM and continued down the road to Antonito, CO. As I recall, it took about 1 hour to return to Chama via their company bus that same day. I enjoyed it better than Durango & Silverton RR. How I’d love to watch that old wood burner Eureka & Palisade run the C&TSRR! 🚂🤔😀
I'm of Scot/German stock.
As my ,old Papp said: "Born with a wrench in yer hand". My mind went immediately to thoughts of a solution for the gear issue. Superglue, Gorilla Glue etc. Then I remember that three days l had to spend with my left hand index and middle finger glued together.🙄
Good luck with a solution.
Great video guys!
Thanks
I’m with ya Dale, steam all the way!!
Dale: One would want to believe, that knowing about the built-in fails of this Bachmann locomotive design, that the company might have thought to come up with superseding repair material kits; wherefore a purchaser of this specific model might attempt to exercise the use of replacement parts for those completed units that are were obviously inferior in the original build. Is that a possibility, or is it more complicated than this?
at the time they didn’t know. After the new one came out they did offer a retrofit for the old one but it is currently sold out. Figures
This is a pretty looking Mogul.
Yup!
great looking engine
Dale,
Do you plan on building a 100 stall roundhouse for all the locomotive's you have so that you can just pull out a stall run on the main line.?????
Since Bachmann appears to be out of stock of those drive axles, you may need to figure out a way to forge one. It may be worth looking at R/C gears to see if there is an option there.
NWSL have delrin gears, that's if they are still in business. There is much false info online on how many teeth the required gear has though. BS seems to propagate well online especially in the USA.
@@GrumpSkullI used The NWSL 25-1 gear box in one of my 4-6-0 Big Haulers, I hadn’t bent the axil or seated the gear off kilter, I think it would have run fine. I know other people have used this with great success.
I saw a few videos that the Huckleberry Railroad has reopened for they summer season this year, and the got a new diesel #12, I'm planning on going out to their railfans weekend in August, and also I'm looking into getting an Athearn HO scale SD80mac for my birthday also in August, the SD80mac is one of my favorite diesel locomotives
Cool!
When you go to the Huckleberry, if they don't have car No 8 out, make an effort to see it as it is a Kimble Co. product for the NWP then to the OCN(or ONC) before it was standard gauged then to the Huckleberry. I believe it is the oldest car there; 187?. It spent many years under an A-frame not far out of Reno, NV which is why it survived. The V&T had some Kimble cars. Car 260 is the only new car the Rio Grande Southern ever owned as it was built new by the D&RG Burhnam Shops onto repurposed trucks. Cars 306 & 320 were the D&RGW Chili Line caboose substitutes.
Can you do a video on ways to dust locomotives, cars, and layouts. Cleaning and dusting is always a chore so if you have any tips that would be great!!!
Some of the razors like Braun come with a brush for cleaning the head and these are handy for dusting locos
I’d like to use a combination of things. Mostly a big soft brush like the ones they use for make up. Also my air compressor. And of course a vacuum. But you have to be careful with the compressed air and especially the vacuum! I bought a thing which is a series of little small tubes that go on the vacuum. Piece of junk! But it gives me an idea of that I will be testing. A bundle of soft silicone tubes mailed it on the end of the hose on the vacuum
Does your Eureka and Palisade #4 still run?
Hi. Yes. For now!
Nice model. A shame that it don't run anymore. As much I like building models, I hate to repair them.
Nice display model. Not sure about the steam piping on the air compressor. Why have a valve at the smokebox on the exhaust pipe?
When you were reaching in the tender I was expecting you to bring out a shovel!
Thank you for sharing.
Rework will include coal in the tender so yes! Shovel!
Just a thought; There is a version of super glue that wood turners use to fill cracks on their turning projects, it is super thin. It may be possible to use this to fill the gear cracks. Now to be clear, I have no idea if that would work, so It is just a thought. Great video and an absolutely beautiful locomotive. ;-)
People online say to tip secure up on the end cover the entire side of the gear with baking soda. Then apply several drop some super thin super glue. After the glue sets flip it over and do it again. May work. But we ordered a new gear from NWSL. So we will try that.
@@ToyManTelevision Then you have to deals with the driver quartering. I have seen "live steamers" recommend making a small scratch on the axel and driver to aid in the process, preferably on the back. Good luck and every success. .;-)
ive got one of these. Once its fixed it runs like a charm
mine is S.P.C 12
It's a shame that Bachmann had such issues with their early 1:20.3 locomotives. They look so nice.
I have the old bachmann daylight locomotive with the nylon gearing. When they broke I was able to super glue them back together and it runs just as well as it did before the gears broke
That’s a common fix. Was planning to try it but we bought the delron gear from NWSL and are going to try that.....
Looks like the Nevada county narrow gauge railroad number 5 but with different colors
Is it possible to buy a replacement Driver with the gear on it from the new run of the loco and put it into the older model?
I agree that steam engines were the best in the train history. Standard or narrow guage and nothing larger then a 2-8-0. The C16 is my favorite size engine, square head lamps and diamond smoke stacks. Early style steam engines were unique and had a look of there own that I like. All the working parts that had to come together to make them run has always fascinated me. Sorry to hear that the gears are shot. It would have been nice of them to have offer the axle, gear and driver wheel replacement all together so they could be easily swapped out. I am sure people would buy them to avoid the extra work of pressing the new gear and wheel on the axle. Hope you can get it fix so you can enjoy it again. Be safe and looking forward to see the progress on your layout. 👍🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂
After they reworked this engine they did offer the new axle so you could rework these engines! Unfortunately it was such a popular upgrade that they sold out almost immediately and they haven’t made any more. Anyway we ordered the Delron gear from NWSL and we’re hoping that will fix the problem! Yes we agree these early engines were the best! Just nothing like Russian iron boiler jackets and brightly colored locomotives.
I dont think you have to re quarter the drivers as atlest on the C-25 the axles have squared ends that keep the drivers on the axles.
Always a shame to not run locos especially cute items. Perhaps double head it with another?
Here's a idea!!! If you don't want to tear the locomotive apart, you could adda front coupler so you can dubble head with another locomotive!!
It does free roll well. Sadly.
Dale, you must know many competent model loco repairers who could do the job.
Well yes. But getten them to do it.. anyway going to try it ourselves
I have the same exact model, only difference is it has the Delaware/Baldwin Locomotive Works lettering. Anyways mine, when she busts a gear and she just keeps on going. 😱
I don't remember if I told you my neat trick. I bought a rechargeable toothbrush with 2 heads and removed the bristles than took double sided tape and put sand paper on the tape than cut one to match the head and the other for a triangle which is really nice for getting into tight spaces. I am going to buy more heads so I can have different grit sandpaper for whatever job I want to do. Good luck.
Ok gotta test this!!!!
Hey I have the same model, where can I find brass gears?
Dale, I engineered and 3D printed new gears for my Shay, Ill can send you a set free, I made extras. They worked great on the shay, they wont be as brass but I changed the width of the hub to make it stronger than the ones Bachman used. If they are a different tooth count I can change that too its a standard pitch spur gear. Just message me if you want a set.
Interesting idea! You must have a great printer! I just bought a delron gear from NWSL. They say this is a permanent fix... as soon as the logging railroad is “finished” we are planning to tear into this guy. We were planning to just park it but it’s “bugging” us that this happened.
@@ToyManTelevision Glad you found a solution, I would hate to have a model that nice just sitting on a shelf. even though most of mine just sit in display cases.
Well I'm currently in the works of building a custom 15 car christmas train using Bachmann's Night Before Christmas set, followed by a mix of USA Trains, New Bright, and Eztec rolling stock. it's something that I've never done before but I'll post a video of it running when I get the chance.
Love to see!!
I wonder if it would be possible and practical to use a split gear and pin to replace the nylon gear. I have a couple or 3 AHM MiniTrains with the same problem.
Really don’t know.. but some are using super glue with success. But I was thinking a split back plate... anyway bought the delron gear from NWSL and will be trying that.
Aha so this is the other Bachmann locomotive in the remlinger farms restaurant layout along with I believe a C-19 and an Annie
Sounds right!!! The modern one is great. The older one is great if you replace the gears
you can get re gearing kits not sure if they are still in production
Just bought some. Bachmann is sold out but NWSL still make them
@Toy Man Television >>> Could you somehow _reinforce[?]_ the existing nylon gears -- as long as the teeth on those nylon gears are okay -- and avoid having to completely replace the gears?
YES! At least people have. Thought about that and was planning to try that. Pull the axle and turn it on it’s side. Cover the side of the gear with baking soda. Add a few drops of super glue. Turn it over and do the same. Fixed. But for how long? Anyway bough a new gear. Going to try that.
Shelf Queen!
Getting the valve gear eccentrics correct during reassembly is a real pain in the neck.
Hum... will be finding out I guess. Jus bought a gear.
@@ToyManTelevision So I guess you ordered a 24 tooth gear? There are many deluded assertions as to how many teeth the gear has in the 4-4-0 and 2-6-0. NWSL have it listed as 24 teeth. There are also several sources on the web that have contradictions within their own videos and documents. My experience has shown there are 25 teeth on the gear. Perhaps there were 2 versions made or they are interchangeable but that makes little sense. I'm not sure, it elementary so I count them first. There is even a contradiction in a comment here below and also in the document link below. Good luck but count them teeth first.
nebula.wsimg.com/06216bb2be323e53bd812f34257a4a5b?AccessKeyId=08BEE66B97B387F20C0D&disposition=0&alloworigin=1
www.mylargescale.com/threads/bachmann-81396-eureka-palisade-4-4-0-steam-locomotive-tender.77609/page-2
@@ToyManTelevision It is all too easy to get the eccentric discs ass about causing the valve gear to be in the incorrect location compared to where the con rods are.
Yes, at least try to fix it, it is a beautiful engine 😊
Jude bought parts. Onward!
That’s really a piece of bad luck. If you don’t want to tackle the repair fix perhaps there are places which you can have the locomotive serviced. It’s a shame not to be able to run this.
It seems like Bachmann always has transmission issues no mater what scale they manufacture. I sometimes wonder if they think this is a way to increase sales? I have a “Big Hauler” Columbia lettered for the UP, I bought it because I thought it was “cute” the only one I picked up for That reason. What happened to mine was the motor worm was aligned to high for the driven gear, and it cut a trough through the gear teeth. I have several “n” scale locos that have split gears as well. You would think that as much work as they put into the design of their products, they could put more work into the mechanisms. People will pay for quality. Oh by the way I worked at Caboose Hobbies when this locomotive was released by Bachmann. And I was impressed!!!!!! Working Stephenson valve gear? Wow.
Yup. The engineering is amazing. But corners cut. To save $.35? Don’t get it.
Can’t you just send it to Bachmann for repair,reasonably?
I am so disappointed in you. You obviously really enjoy this loco. Give it the respect it deserves and just shut up and fix it!
got to get her up and running it looks to nice not to use
Just bought the repair gear from NWSL. We will we how that goes...
Glad to hear that you are going to fix it. I have confidence in your ability to do so.
Well THAT sucks. Plastics deteriorate with time. Use just accelerates the process.
Sounds like a job for a machine shop. Perhaps one of the model RR backshop machinists can help. It'd be a shame to make things even worse not having the right tools for the job.
We have a plan. Been watching UA-cam videos on this and we are going to give it a try!
I love steam--anything. I do have a very soft spot for the early Russia-iron jacketed locos.
Love to figure out a better way to make Russian iron..
@@ToyManTelevision It is not a better way to make it, but the way to make it. In other words to refind how it was made..
Replacing the nylon drive gear appears to be "relativity" easy. Easy because everything, including the wheels and drive rods unscrew, leaving the single drive wheel assy. by itself to remove and rebuild with new gear.
@@johnsolimine1164 the hardest part of this entire process is laying hands on the proper axle. At this point, it is still on Bachman’s page in their parts area for rest assured they will sell out and whether they ever get any new ones and his debatable.
@@ToyManTelevision Are you saying that not all 2-6-0 models have the drive wheels attached and clocked to the axle with a single screw that's hidden behind a hub cap?
Look take it to someone skilled in the repair and set a new gears to it. Delegating it to a stationary spot is so harsh, as I feel the same way when I see a Baldwin sitting in a park not alive.. lol it bothers me it's not alive.. Am I weird? Or just old??
Just bought the replacement gear from NWSL. We will see how that goes!