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I feel like Batman comics need to find a balance between smaller scale noir detective stories and more fantastical stuff. It would also be nice if Gotham wasn’t being destroyed or taken over by the new villain every other arc, it just lessens the impact every time it happens
“It would be nice if gotham was safe” it might as well be metropolis at that point
@@Terriblyawfulshows Who said it needed to be safe? I’m just saying Gotham being taken over by a villain over and over again is boring and we’ve literally seen it happen 4 times in the past few years. It literally happened twice in one run
@@matt15 To me it almost feels like some Batman writers want to outdo the impact of No Man's Land. But now that we've seen it so many times over, new readers and old readers alike are less likely to be truly invested in storylines like that again.
@Vink 420 the writers seeming to try to one up previous arcs or ideas is a big problem to me
@@matt15 At this point it really makes no sense for people to stay there. Both Joker War and Fear State happened by Tynion. If during one author's run, Gotham is wrecked twice then something is too fucked up... No one now is shocked when this happens and it's a shame.
I love hearing your synopses without context. They sound like ridiculous soap operas which is what comics are .. "and it turns out he was clayface...but not really" 😂
Ghost Maker!
Risk Taker!
Love Maker!
Runs this prison like a man!
As I remained a stalwart defender of King’s Batman run from the very first issue, it was nice hearing him clear up some of the grievances I had with his run. Things like how Alfred wasn’t supposed die, Flashpoint Batman wasn’t supposed to be the main villain and it was supposed to be Bane from start to finish, Ric Grayson was meant to be Dick experiencing vertigo/fixed by magic, etc… And finally that BatCat was supposed to be married by the end of the run.
Things I always commended him for doing outside the actual stories he made, was how he never once had a Batfamily spanning crossover event keeping the story self contained within the Batman title allowing the creators on the other titles to write their own stories uninterrupted. The other was how wrote every arc with only one artist and changed arcs when the artists changed, all the way until the final City of Bane arc.
Wasn’t Night of the Monster Men a batfamily crossover?
@@matt15 It was, but it was written by Steve Orlando, not King.
@@williamcobb2972 oh really? I didn’t know that, I just sort of assumed it was King
@@williamcobb2972 it was also awesome.
Sounds like Batman has been missing a consistent editorial vision in recent years. The Bat books apparently need a new Denny O’Neil.
I think the good point that was brought up, is that compared to some new one off villains in previous runs, they were with the point in mind and they wouldn't be forced be next big thing, like Manikin and Nobody, even Manchester Black from Superman comics, their stories existed with message in mind first and they were used to tell the story, if they stuck or other writers were interested in them or not didn't matter, because their initial purpose was done. Ghostmaker, Clownhunter and Punchline feel like they should be some main stays of the mythos, specifically designed to be open ended so you would need to work with them, making reader and other writers frustrated that you didn't give your OC anything to be remembered and doing your work for you. Making fun new villains is all and good as long as there's any story beyond them and they exist as actual represent something narratively.
By the way, The Batman actually had Failsafe concept before comics in the "Gotham's Ultimate Criminal Mastermind" episode.
I remember still being in college when Alfred died. I heard someone died in that issue and Ran To the store after class…..5 years ago?!?!
I was just starting freshman year, now I'm a few months away from graduating college. 4 years of Alfred not a part of the Batfamily. I wonder how he'll react to everything that happened since then. 🥹
@@INDIG0MAR oooooo get that degree 🔥
I remember James Tynion IV saying when he got the Batman job that it would be back to basics and smaller scale. He said that knowing he was supposed to be gone after Joker War with a huge Joker story since everyone wants to tell theirs and then he got to stay on once 5G died. He didn’t deliver whatsoever on what he said.
I low key want more videos like this
As always thanks for the comic commentary, Benny and Sal! Totally didn't know about the behind the scenes news with creators and that Batman had such a strong influence on comic book stores.
The current Detective Comics by Ram V is probably the best Batman has been in last few years. I strongly recommend it to everyone tired by the Batman's stories as of late.
I think too many eyes are on Batman to truly let him grow. Look at runs like DD, Nightwing, Miles Morales, Black Panther. Those characters grow and change. It doesn't really feel like constant retreading in comparison to the Amazing Spider-Man and Batman titles.
I still wonder why did Tom king get the boot off of Batman but not bendis off of Superman because Superman under brian Michael bendis was even worst then Tom king Batman at least in my opinion.
Because unfortunately like they say if batman dip comics die
@@revolutionarydragon1123 which is just confusing because bendis superman was just a trainwreck and ruined everything for the superman family and torpedoed and a great series for garbage that nobody likes myself included.
@@TevyaSmolka o ik and PKJ did a great job salvaging what good from bendis
@@revolutionarydragon1123 that's true except there's one small problem that has not been fixed and that's what bendis has done to my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy and dc refusal to deage Jon kent Superboy back to his little 10 year old self or another option have this imposter Jon kent to be from earth 3 the crime syndicate world and the real Jon kent superboy as his little 10 year old self is still out there somewhere and needs to be rescued and boom problem solved everybody wins.
@@TevyaSmolka that ship has sailed unfortunately we will have to make due with the twins (not twins)
I always get excited when Sal does industry talk and brings up the whole "making original characters just to get a check" deal
I get what Sal is saying but Ghostmaker is sick and I like that Bruce has his own Vergil/rival character that has been around his life since he started his training to be Batman
Problem is he doesn’t really feel organic to me. I like Bruce having a rival too, but I don’t buy this idea of him being a rival all these years. When introducing a new character from a n old character’s past, you really have to make me believe they’ve always been there despite being new. Maybe if they showed his face, I’d be more onboard. His design IS cool. But I can’t shake the feeling the character will ONLY be written in stories where his creator is doing the writing.
Is it still possible for the biggest heroes in DC and Marvel to get super enticing stories?
Kinda feels like some characters are too big to mess with nowadays, like Spider-Man and Batman can’t have amazing stories anymore because you can’t change the status quo too much.
I recommend Miles Morales: Spider-Man by Cody Ziglar for an enticing story.
@@windghost2 facts, I just caught up recently, love the way their handling Miles. It’s a shame that Peter isn’t getting the same level of love from Xeb Wells💀
@@Hippieadjacent I hope that the next writer for Peter can bring some hope back for the character because at this point I’m done with Peter and just going all in with Miles.
I would love you guys going over all the history of Batman runs, i know Sal knows them all lol.
The jab on damian by Sal Fantastick
I think that you guys are missing an important point. Time and perspective will tell what has been a great/good run. Sal did not like Snyder/Capullo run for quite while and now 10 years later he likes it quite a bit. Time changes perspective and distorts memory. Morrison also introduced plenty of characters, maybe even more than Tynion. Yet it is GOATED run. I on one hand welcome the new characters. I know what to expect from Penguin or Mr. Freeze stories. If comics books are marketed as a something more than a Sunday morning cartoon, I expect more substance to them.
I understand that comics have a status quo but like I’ve also been tired of the stagnation in comics like I know that the perils of time and death don’t really matter but it’s time for a change of the guard just like it was with the bronze to silver something totally new a new status quo
I didn't realize Batman and Spiderman were in a cycle of misery while Dick Grayson is in Bludhaven winning everything.
Another great discussion. I agree though there are alot of similarities between the current Amazing Spiderman run and the current Batman run.
Can we get a "Hassan's Comic Club" where he just reads the books that Benny and Sal suggest for him and they discuss it?
I would love to!
I really like the insights on Batman. Sal’s saying what what we as fans and consumers are saying and thinking. I appreciate it because I couldn’t bother to be engaged with the last two weeks of videos on each and every one of the other channels. Even if rambling, the retrospective with conversation is great. Personally, it doesn’t have to be a bigger than life SPECTRE/Cobra situation. A real good day in the life caper or a real strong heist story will do. Been revisiting Doug Wildey and Doc Savage stories with a little John Hartigan Sin City.
I love these videos pls keep it up
Man I miss Snyder’s Batman.
I just remembered at the time it felt like both the Flashpoint Batman and Mr. Oz stuff was meant to hype up Doomsday Clock but neither character ended up playing a big role in that, very strange
Im so tired of what their doing with Batman constantly losing the city and always depressed and the most miserable person in the room someone in charge at DC clearly hates Batman
I really enjoyed Tom King Batman run
Imagine if Punchline became Ghostmaker &Clown Hunter’s “Joker”
Im kind of enjoying the Ram V detective comic so far. The art is sick, the side story stuff with Gordon and Twoface are interesting to me, and im interested in it so far.
love why you guys sit and talk about the state of comics
Aside from the 3 jokers. Batman hasn't been good since Scott Snyder was doing it in the new 52
I wish there was more progression between different authors' arcs. They don't have to necessarily continue the same plot points. Maybe character beats could continue or there could be a consistent character development over 5 years monitored by editors, like a relationship or overcoming a past event.
Bat-man? More like Bat-god. Apart from having a happy life and being loved by the people he seems to care about, is there anything he cannot do?
I very recently finished reading the New 52 run, and I wholeheartedly agree with your frustrations with the whole "oh, looks like Gotham is lost again" thing. In the New 52 run, you have in order: the second half of Zero Year, Eternal, Endgame and then Superheavy. All of these arcs have catastrophic events happen to Gotham. Back to back. All these stories are fine on their own, but back to back it feels completely redundant. It makes the big, epic "all is lost" moments less impactful.
On a different note: Endgame is soooo lit. It's so badass. That arc is honestly up there with DKR and Killing Joke for me. For the longest time, nerds like me would keep saying "Joker just wants to play with Batman". And I love how simple yet ingenious Snyder's premise is: what if he stopped playing? I also love how Snyder's Joker is seemingly this unstoppable force of nature, which makes Batman's victory (and him mocking the Joker) so much more satisfying. If you told me my favorite Joker story would end with him being pantsed and humiliated, I would laugh at you, but this is the way to do it.
The best version of the people of Gotham was in The White Knight......
I'm suprise DC hasn't done "flash" storyline for batman(it might exist without me knowing) we get batman doing the Flashpoint story line and his parents live and a story about Gotham struggles without a batman and how things changed
I love when u talk batman!! 🔥🔥🔥
The last time I read Batman monthly, I called a number and voted for Jason Todd to live.
Engagement and interaction with creator to please the mathemagics that choses what gets seen or not.
Ramble videos are the best
His popularity for me has always been his biggest drawback. They made him a demigod at this point. They need to scale him back down to being human. It's his humanity standing next to these gods that made him interesting
It would also be nice if Batman had a strong editorial team instead of sporadic good writers with no long term plans.
Batman overall has not had a consistent universe since the end of Dennis’s tenure as editor.
Ed And Greg Batman's run and Gail Simone's run On BOP was actually only the good things in the post O'Neil Era
I disagree with Sal towards the end there when he was saying that if someone prefers the Grant, Breyfogle run that it was 40 years old. So a newbie doesn't have to only like modern era books.
Y’know, I just realized something. If New 52 said that, “everything that happened in DC before this was within 5 years” and Rebirth said, “actually, it was ten years,” wouldn’t that mean Spider-Man and the Marvel universe is “older” than the DC, because in one of Dan Slott’s arcs, he said Spider-Man been webswinging for fourteen years! What!?!
I never thought I'd say this but compared to Failure Hero Batman, I'll take the Bat God
Is there a podcast that can include more content regarding comic books? I just barely noticed that this channel has the word "movies" in it and i noticed that alot of the content is about the MCU or DCEU shows and movies and I personally dont watch those much anymore 😭 Just a comic book fanatic here
Could Batman's robot beat-up Superman's robot's though?
batman failout is kinda of cool
I’m currently reading grant Morrison’s run then I’m moving to Scott Snyder I’m tempted to pick up king
Sorry Hassan don’t think anyone wants Bruce Wayne to retire 😂 you just want Nightwing in the spotlight.
Personally I’m not really enjoying the whole Tom Taylor run. It’s a little too slow for my liking. I like the things happening but it’s just way too slow and Tom Taylor comics can be a little self indulgent.
Personally I’m more invested in the Batman family than Batman himself but it seems like since the end of the new 52 we’ve just been retreading the same stories. I REALLy enjoyed Detective Comics during rebirth cause we had a Batfamily Book and a Batman book. I honestly think there should be Bat-man and Batfamily centric retreats where all the writers talk about what they want to do come up with a cohesive plan and have some sort of vision each year. Also look back on past arcs so it’s not just rinse and repeat.
Snyder Batman best Batman
I know they won't, but I really wish DC would leave Alfred dead. Not because I hate his character or anything ( how could you?) But because it would be an awesome uncle Ben for both Bruce and Damien. And it would give them a chance to actually move forward
Respect to Sal for showing some professional respect but I remember that Higgins show and dude came off like a prick,
The redeeming part for me in comics is the monkey prince he’s awesome 👏 pretty great Lazarus 🌎 planet
you complain of telling the same stories over and over and when they create new characters you say the creators are only trying to get a paycheck/ waiting for those characters to be adapted in other mediums. Maybe the creators have ideas and want to add things to the universe
Gotham girl is a zombie atm
Do you know why Batman never dies or changes ?
Batman isn't going to progress. That defeats the purpose
Unrelated to anything Hassan your hair is awesome 👍
Honestly i just want alfred back and for bruce return to the manor, never liked those changes
Spider-Man no way home: just the good parts
@@ez6888 Lemme guess...you hate the movie
@@ez6888 It's the best Spider-Man film ever made
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I still cant believe Batman survived re-entry with just his suit 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Chunk in the comics was awesome. He was a bizarre character but still fun. But they turned him into another typical awkward smart geek that they needed to fill with Cisco gone. Another dime a dozen awkward geek character. One of those cases of having a character in name only crap. If you're going to bring in a character even tho I know they are going to make changes still make sure the character feels like the character in some basic level. But the TV show Chunk isn't the same as the awesome under appreciated Chunk from the comics.
I really don't get why Snyder is not overwhelmingly seen as one of the greatest Batman writers of all time. _"Court Of Owls"_ to _"Endgame"_ and everything in between is easily in the top 2 or 3 all-time great Batman Runs in my humble opinion... _"Zero Year"_ gets shit on quite a bit(especially by Sal) and I just don't get it... I love that it is an updated version of _"Year One"_ where they kept everything that HAD to stay for a Batman origin to work.. But then they added everything that fills out the Bat Universe that _"Year One"_ neglected...I mean, the Gotham Mafia stuff is cool- but doing that PLUS showing the emergence of costumed Supervillainous criminals is cool too me. The Red Hood and guys gang was really cool too, especially that we see him clearly become Joker... But it's not the story, so it's not followed up on. For us, the readers, it's Joker's Origin... But for that particular story... It's simply the end of the Red Hood...I don't know, I think Sal should give it a re-read.
We need a good writer to write Batman comics again cause all these writers suck
Batman under Scott Snyder was a interesting series but man oh man I really didn’t like super heavy with Gordon as Batman which I thought was a bad idea in my opinion.
Best part of the story. Fuck Yeah Gordon-Bats.
@@dn22pkkdd476 i am glad you enjoyed gordon batman more then I did.
What a horrible commentary on Batman you guys spew, so change Batman and we get 5G? Don’t change Batman and it’s the same repetitive story? But also don’t create new characters? Because that lacks creativity? It’s been said that’s fans do not know what they want and I’m glad the industry rarely listens to us.
I disagree with guy who said Batman has to move on from misery, rage, and broody. If people want more happy Batman then they should buy Batman Beyond comics about son of Bruce Wayne who is Terry McGinnis. Bruce Wayne shouldn’t move on from his parents death because it is part of his character since i was 7 years old. I won’t buy Batman comics where Bruce Wayne’s Batman is very happy. As Batman fan that will turn me away. The most interesting thing to me about Bat-family is that some of them such as Bruce Wayne, Daimon Wayne, Thomas Wayne are very dark, broody, and full of rage and you have some such as Dick Grayson, Terry McGinnis, Barbara Gordon, and etc are very light and happy. Peter Parker’s spider-man is supposed be very light and happy not sad nor misery. Bruce Wayne shouldn’t move on and always be Batman.
Sounds like you have an outdated view on these characters
You are 100 percent wrong because you are the one who has outdated views on Batman mythology period.
@@josephdan2850 enlighten me, you sound like you’re stuck in the past with out these characters should remain stagnant
You are the one who has outdated views and you are evil and selfish. Bruce Wayne is perfect just way he is and he doesn’t need change. Like I told you before that is best thing about Bat-family that it has something for everybody. Where people get darkness characters with Bruce Wayne, Damian Wayne, Thomas Wayne, and more lighthearted characters such as Barbara Gordon, Dick Grayson, Stefanie Brown and etc. You are the one who is outdated and selfish.
@@josephdan2850 lol talk about melodramatic, calling me evil and selfish for pointing out stale writing
Maaaaan Fuck the news! We just here to hear you fellas talking. Could use a bit of female perspective tho. Real shit, not just a pretty face.
LOL We'll probably keep these videos going and just have the other ones be for news, we're enjoying these types
I agree. Love different perspectives.
@@comicstorian Good to hear man! yall got a good rotation of personalities speaking on these things. Not 5 talking heads at once, just guys talking about what interest them at a given time about these comic adjacent topics. Im with that.
I will just say I wish Alfred came back already and Bruce got his money back because him losing his money has had literally no impact on his character, no interesting stories have come out of it so might as well reset it.
I hope he stays dead and Bruce loses more money so it actually impacts him. Fuck status quo. Fuck resets. Fuck reboots. Either let the shit these characters do matter and have consequence, or completely stop pretending to have a moving, living universe within your fiction so you can start publishing only self contained one-off stories where everything is reset immediately after, with no reference to the previous work.
I'd rather one of the bat family put away the costume permanently & stepped up to be Alfred's replacement instead.