“You cant put a spin on something that doesnt exist yet.” That incapsulates these kinds of things so perfectly when people talk about how a character needs to be changed up or is boring. How is that so when you barely ever done a real representation of the actual character yet.
Snyder is all about deconstruction. But you have to build it up first so it can make sense. For example, Batman going dark, branding people so they get killed in prison and full on killing guys himself might have been better received if we'd seen him be the guy with the no killing rule for several movies before starting to decline into darkness. Instead we skip over 20 years of his progression and jump straight to him having descended into darkness.
My main issue with zack Snyder's version of superman is that he's missing his sense of altruism, he doesn't help people because of sense of duty, superman helps people because its the right thing to do
You can make a cynical Superman, just introduce him that way (you can call him Super Boy), but don't then walk that back to make us empathize with how he had to compromise his hopeful outlook when put in a bad spot. If he doesn't have a hope for humanity, then I can't believe him when he says he just lost his 'faith in humanity' like some UA-cam commenter.
Well JJ Abrams admitted he wasn’t really a big Star Trek fan when making the 2009 reboot and said he was more of a Star Wars fan where he liked seeing more action. Snyder sounds like the same type of guy from that standpoint.
Ben Affleck is just Punisher in a Batman costume. Not bc he kills (that is a reason tho) but bc he’s stupid, doesn’t do anything BATMAN, and he’s just an angry guy going out looking to fight to quell his anger. Batman goes out to fight for a CAUSE Ben Afflecks batman is aimless and dumb fighting and killing for fun ur seems
Preach! Don't get me started on angsty superman. He supposed to be a guy who was raised on a farm. He may be the most powerful superhero. But he had the most stable and normal life compared to others. Helping people because he just thinks that's the right thing to do. Not because he has this curse of duty. God Henry's pretty face was wasted on that version of the character.
Probably the dumbest Batman moment in the movie is when he was attacking the truck that has Kryptonite. Potentially destroying it in the process. Instead of just sneaking in after tracking it
Matt Reeves said he was allowed to pitch what he wanted which surprised him and he never planned on connecting it to the DCEU. He only wanted to do his own thing and it was never going to be a prequel.
I loved the counterargument that "Of course the Superman in Man of Steel isn't your Superman. He's just learning. You're just impatient! Just wait until he turns into 'your' Superman." And then BvS comes in like "lol nope". And then Zack Snyder's Justice League is the final nail in the coffin. Dude is 1 dead Lois Lane away from Zodding the whole world for no raisin. I guess I wouldn't be so miffed over the years if countries like Japan didn't get Superman more than we (the States) do. They unironically have Superman pastiches that are more Superman than Superman is! And people love them!
I was apart of that couterargument with Man of Steel being the lesson Supes needed to become a better symbol of hope. BvS basically countered that counterargument with Clark belittling people’s concerns of him to hop in a bathtub with Lois.
Gotta love Sal, he's a great human and I'll listen and click on anything with him in it, he deserves any and all success that comes his way hopefully. This is a good show and I like Benny and the other gentlemen, comicstorian in general etc, Sal just is the easiest to listen to and always has such a great perspective and honest opinion. Keep up the good work.
@@mikito00 not sure what's funny or deserving of those types of emojis, I'm just a thankful fan as Sal and the whole comic pop crew, as well as Benny and his crew at comicstorian have gotten me through some really hard times and he just specifically seems like a great human, something that I applaud due to the myriad of bad people and trauma I've encountered in my life, on top of the toll the last few years have taken with the pandemic. No need to be rude, I simply am a damaged, traumatized individual, thankful for some of the UA-cam channels and people who run them who have helped take my mind off of the pain etc. But thanks for being mean because you misinterpret or don't agree with what someone says on the internet, means a lot. Well wishes friend.
It's crazy that I've never seen anyone else make this connection, but Doomsday is also Parasite in this movie. Like if you just change the hue of pre-spikes Doomsday to pink he'd look straight out of the comics.
Bizarro would have made more sense because this version of Doomsday basically has the same origin as Bizarro. It's so much of a waste to use him in this movie.
The only thing done right in Batman v Superman was Wonder Woman: her introduction, her fighting and not being over-awed by Superman and Batman was on point.
I don't think there was ever a plan for Young Batfleck, Matt Reeves has said he was presented with the script Ben Affleck developed back when he was going to direct, but Reeves wasn't interested to doing that film but WB wanted to produce a movie by him so they let him pitch what we got 'Young Batman, year 2' and as a PR move to justify the strange course change they said it was a prequel
There was never a plan for that happening and Affleck was done once Reeves was given the movie. John Campea reported Affleck was done where that news broke right before Comic Con in 2017. They had to promote Justice League still.
When the photographer gets shot, I remember asking my friend in the theater "Hey wait... did they just kill Jimmy Olsen?!?!?" and he was like "No way... that wasn't Jimmy" and then the ultimate edition came out and totally made it clear that they did kill Jimmy Olsen. 🤣
Snyder said it was Jimmy when the movie came out, but said he didn’t want to have his name said for fear of backlash. He then had no fear with the release of the Ultimate Cut since everyone already knew.
You can't redeem how poorly this movie was written. This is literally the opening line: "There was a time above, a time before. There were perfect things. Diamond absolutes. But things fall. Things on earth. And what falls is fallen. In the dream, it took me to the light. A beautiful lie" You have to jump through hoops to try to make sense of that, and Zack Snyder thinks he was being deep 😆
On top of what you guys said about the Martha stuff batman killing normal people completely ruins it because the point of the scene is to make batman realize superman is human too but BATMAN MURDERS SEVERAL PEOPLE WITH NO REMORSE SO WHY WOULD HE CARE. He wouldn't.
Ben Affleck is the worst batman not bc of Ben Affleck but bc of Zach Snyder. This isn’t comic batman at all not bc he kills just bc he’s like a mad little kid with a lot of money going out and punching ppl then getting mad that someone is stealing the spotlight from him so he goes and tells him to stop
@@ScreenHeroes They are not tied. Affleck actually gives a good performance in the movie. The writing isn’t his fault obviously, but that’s way too disrespectful of Affleck to say they’re tied.
In typical Snyder fashion he gets the action and aesthetic right but completely misses the core philosophy that makes Batman a character and not a generic cool looking action guy.
I mean if your gonna watch cartoon Batman as well...why not the Batman vs dracula? Or Batman subzero? Or even Batman beyond return of the joker? There is way more Batman movies then we think😂
I respect Benny's opinion on BvS and I'm glad he enjoyed it...but I've never been more disappointed in a theatre my entire life. Interesting ideas, piss poor execution and derivative.
Same. It's not the worst film I've seen obviously, but relative to expectations and potential BvS let me down the most. The Ultimate Cut is really more of the same story, it flows better but at the expense of a 3-hour runtime that still doesn't fix the myriad of issues the film has.
Max landis as lex Luther LMAO he’s exactly that. Honestly max landis is making his own Superman story on his UA-cam and even tho it has some edgyness I mean who doesn’t need a little bit in there life,it’s got a real sense that this should be a fun story and cares more than the Snyder films in using the dc universe
I just hate the idea of Doomsday being a creation of an existing DC character a la Lex and Darkseid, because then you have to ask the question, "What's stopping them from creating another creature like him?" The animated Justice League Dark movie answers that question, but now that universe doesn't exist anymore.
I think I remember there being a clip or statement released saying this was a copy of Doomsday. That Lex found information about doomsday on the ship. That’s why the computer warned Lex when he was doing his experiment in turning Zod into doomsday
I’m just not a fan of the whole injustice style takes of Superman and Wonder Woman or the Dark Knight Returns Batman. So even tho Snyder’s plans were consistent……still wasn’t a fan at all 15:34-16:11, onna the great mysteries of Batman…a “normal human” with clearly beyond normal attributes
Martha makes sense. It's just silly and hard not to find silly, when it's the follow up to a very very schlocky fight with only one moment I like (Bruce punching Clark, with each punch becoming less effective as the gas wears off). So schlocky fight, followed by an unexpected, fanfiction level justification for the fight to stop. If the genesis of that fight wasn't Clark NOT telling Bruce the situation in the numerous times he could have while there's "NO TIME", maybe it could've been better.
I don't get how Clark doesn't know who Batman is. He's been operating for 20 years in a neighboring city. Or how Superman had a funeral with no body in the casket.
I was too young to phantom menace in cinema but I always think of watching out of this the closest thing to me in terms of disappointment think it's one of the few movies that get worse to more I think about it.Its also weird that six years later batman and superman still don't a friendship on film
I'm glad someone made that comparison. I did see Phantom Menace in the cinema, but I was six so I didn't hate it as much as the older fans did. Coming out of BvS I wanted to walk up to those older Star Wars fans who were pissed about Episode 1 and go, "I understand now."
Watched the Ultimate Edition between Man of Steel and the Snydercut, and it was even better than I remembered. That doesn't mean it's great, but I would say that it's good and far better than the theatrical version or watching it in a vacuum. I believe that these characters all have the motivations they would have, however, in the way they act, they're all wrong, especially Lex Luthor. Pitting Batman against Superman feels like a very Lex thing to do, but his plans seem kind of flimsy, especially in getting Superman to go fight Batman when he could probably just listen for Martha and find her before ever needing Batman's help to do so. I noticed in the movie though that Alfred says that Bruce has changed in the last two years, so while grim and gritty, it sounds like he has gone off the deep end with Luthor's anonymous puppeteering with notes and letters that make him not only hate Superman, but even the common criminal. I imagine that he still definitely killed people, especially after Robin died, but not quite so easily as he does in this movie. I also don't really mind Superman even questioning if he should be the hero he is because despite the people he saves being grateful, the political powers and their influence on half the population begins to make him see himself as the enemy. Every good thing he does has repercussions he does not intend to happen, it's actually a decent moral quandary for a character that is physically unstoppable. But I guess its really the combinations of all these things into one movie that shows to be problematic. There's just too many ideas that work more for a three hour movie, but are cut for the theatrical version, and then you also have the other problem of there being so many ideas, and not all of them being great, that still make it into the movie that really don't need to be there. I love Wonder Woman, but aside from showing up for the fight against Doomsday, what is her purpose in this movie? To set everything else up because we're just two movies in and the next one is Wonder Woman, and then it's Justice League, there isn't time to give everyone proper introductory films, we just gotta cram them all in here. As part of the greater narrative, I suppose it works, but she's just kind of here, and honestly, had she just shown up for the fight, I don't think we'd really be missing anything. So yeah, BvS, good, not great, but not bad, depending on the version you watch.
After watching Lois track down Superman to his parents house, with reporter level resources, in Man of Steel. The worlds greatest detective cant use the billions at his disposal to do the same. This is a older more experienced Batman has to be better than this.
Damn I hate that everyone didn't give Ben a chance because I just loved his Bruce Wayne at the party with Clark n the scene with him n Diana first meeting even gal was written well in that scene
what i really loved about Ben's Bruce Wayne was that he seemed like someone who's not defined by him fortune. like he was humbled during his time training aboard were Pattinson acts like someone who comes from privilege(and is even called out for it in his film). Ben was able to turn the Bruce Wayne persona on and off like a light switch without having the Batsuit on.
Ok imo this movie should have ended with lex using kryptonite in a modified kryptonian battle armor that gives him powers and it would allow him to be the villan removes doomsday and gives lex the classic power armor from the comics
See that's a fun idea. And that's the problem, Zach Snyder won't do fun comic book things because they aren't dark and gritty and real. I'm pretty sure Watchmen and DKR are the only comics he's every read and he probably just skipped to the parts where people get punched and exploded
It's my least favourite. At least I can laugh at the Schumacher movies. A Batman who kills isn't Batman. (I dislike every other live-action who kills too, but I like Bale the most since he tries not to. However, Pattinson is my favourite live-action Batman).
BVS is relentlessly depressing. Affleck gives the best performance in BVS and there aren’t many good portrayals compared to the comics or even the best DC animated shows in BVS.
@@timgonzales2891 Yeah pretty much. I already stated that. Pattinson is my favourite. Although out of all the live-action Batmen that do kill, Bale is my favourite because he tries not to and has a low body count.
I like the movie but I would of build it up first before we get to this movie. But, I thought heard that zack snyder's wanted a man of steel 2 before bvs but waner bros wanted to to have a justice league asap. There's also a interview where he explain about competition between Marvel and DC and saying we should do their own thing instead of copying them but then joss's justice league happen and......you know.
If the very first thing in the fight was a dose of Kryptonite then the instant fight it would have all made sense. Superman would of been fighting for his life then angry
the way Bruce reacts to Lois saying Martha, with Bruce then going into a ptsd episode about it Would he then not react the same way to the name Thomas being said? 😂 I've met more Thomas's than Martha's 😂
I have no problem being in the minority when it comes to Wonder Woman’s theme, but I don’t like it. It’s difficult to seamlessly fit into a movie which is why it transitions a certain way in the No Man’s Land scene in her film. You can’t just play it when she shows up.
After Batman 66 and LEGO Batman, I would do Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker with Casually Comics since Sal and Benny covered Mask of the Phantasm already with her. I guess if Dylan hasn’t seen Mask of the Phantasm, you could do it again. The DC animated film universe with Bad Blood among others shouldn’t be touched. I would do the two parts for the Dark Knight Returns and Under the Red Hood where just try to stick to the good animated Batman films.
If the central plot revolves around Batman plotting to murder someone then you can't call it a Batman film. That's just not Batman. Now there is a way this could be written better if you say Batman doesn't consider Superman human and thus doesn't see an issue with murdering him and he realises his mistake when he learns Clark has a family, a mother, a fiancé, and he see's Clark's humanity. There are hints of this in the movie but I'm more inclined to believe they're accidental rather than planned.
The old Batman comics where he tosses people off roofs and shoots them with machine guns attached to his Bat-Plane are not about Batman either I guess! I’m not one of those people who thinks he should kill but you people act like he is Jesus or something.
@@greggoat6570 The no kill rule was established in Batman #4. He only killed people for a couple issues. Guess what Superman couldn't fly when he first appeared, does anyone give a shit? No, because he's been able to fly for 82 years.
Fun fact, that’s part of the BVS: Asylum script where Jude Law would have been Superman and Colin Ferrell would have been Batman. They start off the movie as friends with an implied history. Superman says he’s not human as a way to force Batman to stop fighting him and deal with what was going on. Holy crap, the ultimate plan revealed is insane in that third act by the villain by the way.
i hate zack snyder's superman, he doesn't even feel like superman. where's his sense of boyscout charm? his love and hope? every single movie superman is in, zack snyder manages to make him look "evil" or morally grey. and the snyder cut just straight up once again teases evil superman in the post credit scene. at this point, superman has been a bad guy in the movies more time than he's been a good guy. what a joke. it's like snyder hates superman and uses batman as a self insert. not to mention batman's a murderer now, which makes him a total hypocrite in terms of the criminals he apprehends but also in the way he views superman. lex isn't lex. like the movie is just bad.
Even tho I love ZSJL BVS ultimate edition is a kinda of a mix bag but I still appreciate this movie Ben Affleck is a great flawed character, Henry cavil Superman despite not having more to say or do still a different take on Superman that I appreciate….Jessie’s lex is over the top and weird but still has an interesting plan to take Superman out instead of another real-estate plan. Also Wonder Woman was bad asss …this movie is truthly a mix bad but I appreciate it
the way I look at the fight is Batman wasn’t listening and Superman just threw him around for a little to show him wtf is up and then it backfired and the kryptonite came out.
When you do the animated movies you should consider a crossover with the Watchtower Database crew. Why? Because it would amuse me, isn't that good enough for you??
Affleck would have only gotten one solo movie with his death in a future Justice League movie where Joe Manganiello has discussed it at length. Batgirl would have debuted in it and it becomes a team-up against Deathstroke as Deathstroke goes after people Bruce loves. Reeves wasn’t touching any of that.
"A miserable, sad superman"??? Didn't that happen with Brightburn? Superman the character himself NEEDS to be "upbeat, hopeful and 'the boy scout'." Anything else.. Isn't really superman. The movie itself was just a MESS to me... The characters were way too OOC... They tried to force to much stuff into the same film... It was just nahh..,.. And doomsday?.. That just made me smack my head and go "WHY?"... It was just way, way too much, for what was just supposed to be a Batman/Superman movie. (given the title)
When knit picks add up and make the movie bad, it makes it a Knit pick to find something GOOD in it. Benny is knit picking good parts in a bad movie not vice versa
Wasn't it going to be revealed that Martha Kent was Martha Wayne in the movies that would've followed? Also Lois cheats on Clark with Bruce or something like that.
Yes, that was an idea at one point with Martha Wayne surviving and becoming Martha Kent. After Clark’s death, Lois and Bruce would have ended up in a relationship between BVS and Justice League where Lois gets pregnant.
I understood the sentiment behind the "Martha" scene, but ZS could've worded it differently and did some tweaking to the crime alley scene. like have the LL pleading with Bruce mirror him pleading with Joe Chill to not off his parents and Lois name drop Martha Kent triggering Bruce even more into coming to his senses. not sure if that would be better, but that part could've been handled better.
I've never wanted to strangle someone in a movie more than Jesse eisenberg in this one. And also Snyder for directing it. Outside of wonder woman, the warehouse scene is the only good action scene the WB produced at the time, personally.
Jessie Eisenberg's Lex Luthor is probably the worst or one of the worst character adaptations. They missed the mark so badly to the point where I just question why have Lex Luthor in the movie anyway if he is going to be the complete opposite of what he is.
I really don't think it would have been redeemed in any way with the sequels. Like Sup' was going to be evil again. Yeah great, the Superman we didn't want !
I have a really good question about the movie; why is Batman mad at superman for killing people, if he himself killed people, and superman is mad at Batman for killing people, but he killed people?
In defense of that bad movie. Batman killing criminals. Superman tackling a dude through skyscrapers killing innocent people. Now excuse me as go confess my sins to a priest for defending BvS.
I just don't think you can watch bvs and say it's a good movie because of the plans of unmade moves. Movie stands on its own and it's not good. Good portrayal of Batman and that's where it ends.
I’ve loved this movie since I saw it in theaters. The backlash made me feel like I was on crazy pills and it made me realize movies are completely subjective. I can probably thank this movie for being the beginning of my complicated relationship with movie opinions as a whole.
Personally Thor the dark world and Thor 1 are better than Thor Raknarok sorry not sorry. Also Batman 66 next😁 then lego batman maybe animated batman movies
I’m with you where it doesn’t work honestly when she just appears in a movie compared to other heroes. You have to set it up and can only really use it during action scenes.
Yeah the injustice approach ruined the snyder verse and I love injustice, you're 100% right Benben JL2 and 3 were horrible scripts and you know it, I watched you read it. I do enjoy the movie but I enjoyed the first suicide squad and the josstice cut though not as much as the snydercut. Also the main fight was so short.. The casting was amazing for the snyderverse, Jeremy Irons nailed it. @Sal Snyder doesn't care about Clark Kent @Dylan, bing.. so right. And yes Dylan absolutely, Injustice only works if you establish the true Justice League as a solid foundation. The ultimate cut explains the Luther set up with superman better and proves the woman lied in court, it also added the scene where superman actually explains himself instead of just flying off which makes him look guilty, that's all I remember. Takes it from a D to a C grade movie.
BVS movie is a perfect film. And this martha argument enrage me. Superman tried to explain to batman but all bruce could see was red. When we started the film bruce was already on warpath with no room for compromise. So when superman gets hit multiple times because of booby traps he tries to move him somewhere else to explain. And we end up with the fight we get.
If you think BVS is perfect, you need to watch more movies since it’s fine to like it a lot, but perfect? Absolutely not. The Martha thing is awful when Batman has been fighting for 20 years. This isn’t a young Batman who possibly might get phased by that.
@@DanV900 it isn't about being young or old. Batman is broken when we get introduced to him. More broken than any other batman in live action. If you watch batman beyond you know over time he becomes more grumpy. This is because all the people hes lost over the years and the fact that he hasn't achieve his life goal. This is same issue batman has gone through in bvs. Since the death of robin hes become more cruel and less willing to make changes.
@@2nd_Variable His Robin wielded a halberd which we know from set photos and weapons of BVS magazines where that’s a very vicious weapon designed to maim and kill. Snyder said the Robin killed was years ago in universe and it was Dick Grayson. I didn’t say anything about his demeanor with being grumpy where the Batman Beyond version is not the same guy. The length of time he has been fighting matters where it’s unrealistic that after 20 years, someone saying Martha triggers him that much. Batman was already killing, but branding was a step up. It’s nonsensical for him to freak out that much.
@@DanV900 lmao so you think robin staff is safer? I think thats ridiculous, there are tons of heroes that use weapons that should kill but instead use it to wound. Batman have been indirect killing by branding criminals on purpose since robins death. He didnt really physically cross the line until he decided that superman was too dangerous to live. He wasn't getting triggered by the name martha but the sentence. "You're letting him kill martha" like i said earlier bruce was like a bull that saw red. Charging towards battle breaking his rule and killing the batman. But as soon as he heard clark say that it was like he woke up from a nightmare. Then he finds out that monster he was going to kill was someone son. He saw clark in a new light and realize he was the monster.
@@2nd_Variable So you don’t know what a halberd is and couldn’t be bothered to Google it, huh? A staff is significantly safer than a halberd. A halberd literally has a blade on it where there is the point on top designed to stab. Robin would have been constantly slicing people so honestly he was a killer in this universe. As a duo, they would have been slicing and dicing while killing left and right. This wasn’t just causing minor wounds and it would have been hard not to kill people with it. It’s from the Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Tech Manual by the way with Robin’s halberd. People tried to justify it on Reddit where this link has a picture of that page which was ridiculous such as saying it was Jason Todd, but Snyder said the dead Robin was Dick Grayson who would never wield a weapon like that. Of course later Titans which is an atrocious show also had Batman as a killer and made Robin brutal, but Robin himself wouldn’t kill. Yes, the Martha scene wasn’t subtle and a young Batman freaking out would be easier to justify, not a veteran of 20 years. You trying to explain what happened when the movie was as direct as possible and showed flashbacks as if the audience was too dumb to figure out was going on and remember the beginning of the movie drove that point home. It’s not a big mystery. This Batman was already a killer and the big change was branding. Robin also would have killed with the halberd. That’s just common sense with the way Snyder uses characters. www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/4ux7s5/an_explanation_for_robins_seemingly_deadly_weapon/?
“You cant put a spin on something that doesnt exist yet.” That incapsulates these kinds of things so perfectly when people talk about how a character needs to be changed up or is boring. How is that so when you barely ever done a real representation of the actual character yet.
Snyder is all about deconstruction. But you have to build it up first so it can make sense. For example, Batman going dark, branding people so they get killed in prison and full on killing guys himself might have been better received if we'd seen him be the guy with the no killing rule for several movies before starting to decline into darkness. Instead we skip over 20 years of his progression and jump straight to him having descended into darkness.
My main issue with zack Snyder's version of superman is that he's missing his sense of altruism, he doesn't help people because of sense of duty, superman helps people because its the right thing to do
I'm like he still gonna help people
You can make a cynical Superman, just introduce him that way (you can call him Super Boy), but don't then walk that back to make us empathize with how he had to compromise his hopeful outlook when put in a bad spot. If he doesn't have a hope for humanity, then I can't believe him when he says he just lost his 'faith in humanity' like some UA-cam commenter.
“[Zach Snyder] seems like the person who likes Star Trek because there’s lasers in it.”
Holy shit you killed him dude
That one line says so much.
Well JJ Abrams admitted he wasn’t really a big Star Trek fan when making the 2009 reboot and said he was more of a Star Wars fan where he liked seeing more action. Snyder sounds like the same type of guy from that standpoint.
@@DanV900 I think Abrams is a better storyteller than snyder in writing, visuals goes to snyder
@@fullmetal2455 Director or writer? Because Snyder also co-wrote the first Wonder Woman film so he’s a capable writer, just needs to be balanced more.
Snyder didn’t want to make Batman vs Superman he wanted to make Rorschach vs Dr. Manhattan
Ben Affleck is just Punisher in a Batman costume. Not bc he kills (that is a reason tho) but bc he’s stupid, doesn’t do anything BATMAN, and he’s just an angry guy going out looking to fight to quell his anger. Batman goes out to fight for a CAUSE Ben Afflecks batman is aimless and dumb fighting and killing for fun ur seems
Preach! Don't get me started on angsty superman. He supposed to be a guy who was raised on a farm. He may be the most powerful superhero. But he had the most stable and normal life compared to others. Helping people because he just thinks that's the right thing to do. Not because he has this curse of duty.
God Henry's pretty face was wasted on that version of the character.
Probably the dumbest Batman moment in the movie is when he was attacking the truck that has Kryptonite. Potentially destroying it in the process. Instead of just sneaking in after tracking it
THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT!!!
Matt Reeves said he was allowed to pitch what he wanted which surprised him and he never planned on connecting it to the DCEU. He only wanted to do his own thing and it was never going to be a prequel.
The "peach tea" scene feels straight out of The Boys.
I loved the counterargument that "Of course the Superman in Man of Steel isn't your Superman. He's just learning. You're just impatient! Just wait until he turns into 'your' Superman." And then BvS comes in like "lol nope". And then Zack Snyder's Justice League is the final nail in the coffin. Dude is 1 dead Lois Lane away from Zodding the whole world for no raisin.
I guess I wouldn't be so miffed over the years if countries like Japan didn't get Superman more than we (the States) do. They unironically have Superman pastiches that are more Superman than Superman is! And people love them!
Matt Bomer played him in a Japanese commercial and would have been perfect. ua-cam.com/video/ZdZbgUSFskU/v-deo.html
I was apart of that couterargument with Man of Steel being the lesson Supes needed to become a better symbol of hope. BvS basically countered that counterargument with Clark belittling people’s concerns of him to hop in a bathtub with Lois.
He isn't one dead Lois away from snapping, her death opened him up to the Anti-life equation. He isn't INjustice supes in any of these movies.
@@bishopcruz That is not how that works.
Gotta love Sal, he's a great human and I'll listen and click on anything with him in it, he deserves any and all success that comes his way hopefully.
This is a good show and I like Benny and the other gentlemen, comicstorian in general etc, Sal just is the easiest to listen to and always has such a great perspective and honest opinion.
Keep up the good work.
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@@mikito00 not sure what's funny or deserving of those types of emojis, I'm just a thankful fan as Sal and the whole comic pop crew, as well as Benny and his crew at comicstorian have gotten me through some really hard times and he just specifically seems like a great human, something that I applaud due to the myriad of bad people and trauma I've encountered in my life, on top of the toll the last few years have taken with the pandemic.
No need to be rude, I simply am a damaged, traumatized individual, thankful for some of the UA-cam channels and people who run them who have helped take my mind off of the pain etc.
But thanks for being mean because you misinterpret or don't agree with what someone says on the internet, means a lot.
Well wishes friend.
@@Justice4Skye what’s your favorite back issues?
It's crazy that I've never seen anyone else make this connection, but Doomsday is also Parasite in this movie.
Like if you just change the hue of pre-spikes Doomsday to pink he'd look straight out of the comics.
Benny has lost all credibility with me now in terms of movies
I can't account for the ultimate edition as I was so upset at paying to watch the theatrical version
@@seand7042 it makes more sense but is still a huge mess
Doomsday had no business to be in this movie but they needed a reason to battle together
Bizarro would have made more sense because this version of Doomsday basically has the same origin as Bizarro. It's so much of a waste to use him in this movie.
Doomsday is not a character he’s a punching bag
The only thing done right in Batman v Superman was Wonder Woman: her introduction, her fighting and not being over-awed by Superman and Batman was on point.
I look at it as something we’ve never seen in film before, “A Batman that’s lost his way”
Fun Fact: WW’s theme is an electric Cello.
I don't think there was ever a plan for Young Batfleck, Matt Reeves has said he was presented with the script Ben Affleck developed back when he was going to direct, but Reeves wasn't interested to doing that film but WB wanted to produce a movie by him so they let him pitch what we got 'Young Batman, year 2' and as a PR move to justify the strange course change they said it was a prequel
There was never a plan for that happening and Affleck was done once Reeves was given the movie. John Campea reported Affleck was done where that news broke right before Comic Con in 2017. They had to promote Justice League still.
When the photographer gets shot, I remember asking my friend in the theater "Hey wait... did they just kill Jimmy Olsen?!?!?" and he was like "No way... that wasn't Jimmy" and then the ultimate edition came out and totally made it clear that they did kill Jimmy Olsen. 🤣
Snyder said it was Jimmy when the movie came out, but said he didn’t want to have his name said for fear of backlash. He then had no fear with the release of the Ultimate Cut since everyone already knew.
You can't redeem how poorly this movie was written.
This is literally the opening line: "There was a time above, a time before. There were perfect things. Diamond absolutes. But things fall. Things on earth. And what falls is fallen. In the dream, it took me to the light. A beautiful lie"
You have to jump through hoops to try to make sense of that, and Zack Snyder thinks he was being deep 😆
On top of what you guys said about the Martha stuff batman killing normal people completely ruins it because the point of the scene is to make batman realize superman is human too but BATMAN MURDERS SEVERAL PEOPLE WITH NO REMORSE SO WHY WOULD HE CARE. He wouldn't.
Nobody:
Benny every 5 seconds: I like this movie, but the problem is.....
Ben Affleck is the worst batman not bc of Ben Affleck but bc of Zach Snyder. This isn’t comic batman at all not bc he kills just bc he’s like a mad little kid with a lot of money going out and punching ppl then getting mad that someone is stealing the spotlight from him so he goes and tells him to stop
No, George Clooney will always be the worst one.
@@DanV900 they’re tied.
@@ScreenHeroes They are not tied. Affleck actually gives a good performance in the movie. The writing isn’t his fault obviously, but that’s way too disrespectful of Affleck to say they’re tied.
@@DanV900 they’re tied
In typical Snyder fashion he gets the action and aesthetic right but completely misses the core philosophy that makes Batman a character and not a generic cool looking action guy.
I mean if your gonna watch cartoon Batman as well...why not the Batman vs dracula? Or Batman subzero? Or even Batman beyond return of the joker? There is way more Batman movies then we think😂
I must admit this is one of my favorite movies ever. Especially love Batfleck’s arc.
I never understood why he would choose to start with an older Batman at the end of his career.
If they wanted to do a miserable lonely alien movie they could've just used Martian Manhunter
jimmy olson's death is symbolic of WB executing its IPs' dignity
I respect Benny's opinion on BvS and I'm glad he enjoyed it...but I've never been more disappointed in a theatre my entire life. Interesting ideas, piss poor execution and derivative.
I was disappointed AND angry. This was legit my "Phantom Menace".
Same. It's not the worst film I've seen obviously, but relative to expectations and potential BvS let me down the most. The Ultimate Cut is really more of the same story, it flows better but at the expense of a 3-hour runtime that still doesn't fix the myriad of issues the film has.
Max landis as lex Luther LMAO he’s exactly that. Honestly max landis is making his own Superman story on his UA-cam and even tho it has some edgyness I mean who doesn’t need a little bit in there life,it’s got a real sense that this should be a fun story and cares more than the Snyder films in using the dc universe
I just hate the idea of Doomsday being a creation of an existing DC character a la Lex and Darkseid, because then you have to ask the question, "What's stopping them from creating another creature like him?" The animated Justice League Dark movie answers that question, but now that universe doesn't exist anymore.
I think I remember there being a clip or statement released saying this was a copy of Doomsday. That Lex found information about doomsday on the ship. That’s why the computer warned Lex when he was doing his experiment in turning Zod into doomsday
I’m just not a fan of the whole injustice style takes of Superman and Wonder Woman or the Dark Knight Returns Batman. So even tho Snyder’s plans were consistent……still wasn’t a fan at all
15:34-16:11, onna the great mysteries of Batman…a “normal human” with clearly beyond normal attributes
It's about time u guys are back LETS GO
Martha makes sense. It's just silly and hard not to find silly, when it's the follow up to a very very schlocky fight with only one moment I like (Bruce punching Clark, with each punch becoming less effective as the gas wears off). So schlocky fight, followed by an unexpected, fanfiction level justification for the fight to stop. If the genesis of that fight wasn't Clark NOT telling Bruce the situation in the numerous times he could have while there's "NO TIME", maybe it could've been better.
I don't get how Clark doesn't know who Batman is. He's been operating for 20 years in a neighboring city. Or how Superman had a funeral with no body in the casket.
I was too young to phantom menace in cinema but I always think of watching out of this the closest thing to me in terms of disappointment think it's one of the few movies that get worse to more I think about it.Its also weird that six years later batman and superman still don't a friendship on film
I'm glad someone made that comparison. I did see Phantom Menace in the cinema, but I was six so I didn't hate it as much as the older fans did. Coming out of BvS I wanted to walk up to those older Star Wars fans who were pissed about Episode 1 and go, "I understand now."
Watched the Ultimate Edition between Man of Steel and the Snydercut, and it was even better than I remembered. That doesn't mean it's great, but I would say that it's good and far better than the theatrical version or watching it in a vacuum. I believe that these characters all have the motivations they would have, however, in the way they act, they're all wrong, especially Lex Luthor. Pitting Batman against Superman feels like a very Lex thing to do, but his plans seem kind of flimsy, especially in getting Superman to go fight Batman when he could probably just listen for Martha and find her before ever needing Batman's help to do so. I noticed in the movie though that Alfred says that Bruce has changed in the last two years, so while grim and gritty, it sounds like he has gone off the deep end with Luthor's anonymous puppeteering with notes and letters that make him not only hate Superman, but even the common criminal. I imagine that he still definitely killed people, especially after Robin died, but not quite so easily as he does in this movie. I also don't really mind Superman even questioning if he should be the hero he is because despite the people he saves being grateful, the political powers and their influence on half the population begins to make him see himself as the enemy. Every good thing he does has repercussions he does not intend to happen, it's actually a decent moral quandary for a character that is physically unstoppable.
But I guess its really the combinations of all these things into one movie that shows to be problematic. There's just too many ideas that work more for a three hour movie, but are cut for the theatrical version, and then you also have the other problem of there being so many ideas, and not all of them being great, that still make it into the movie that really don't need to be there. I love Wonder Woman, but aside from showing up for the fight against Doomsday, what is her purpose in this movie? To set everything else up because we're just two movies in and the next one is Wonder Woman, and then it's Justice League, there isn't time to give everyone proper introductory films, we just gotta cram them all in here. As part of the greater narrative, I suppose it works, but she's just kind of here, and honestly, had she just shown up for the fight, I don't think we'd really be missing anything.
So yeah, BvS, good, not great, but not bad, depending on the version you watch.
After watching Lois track down Superman to his parents house, with reporter level resources, in Man of Steel. The worlds greatest detective cant use the billions at his disposal to do the same. This is a older more experienced Batman has to be better than this.
Damn I hate that everyone didn't give Ben a chance because I just loved his Bruce Wayne at the party with Clark n the scene with him n Diana first meeting even gal was written well in that scene
what i really loved about Ben's Bruce Wayne was that he seemed like someone who's not defined by him fortune. like he was humbled during his time training aboard were Pattinson acts like someone who comes from privilege(and is even called out for it in his film). Ben was able to turn the Bruce Wayne persona on and off like a light switch without having the Batsuit on.
What if he was ultra-humanite? He wanted to steal Superman's body and THATS why Batman had to fight him
BVS was honestly the most disappointed I have ever been in a theater. The Ultimate Edition is better, but it’s still not a very good movie.
Ok imo this movie should have ended with lex using kryptonite in a modified kryptonian battle armor that gives him powers and it would allow him to be the villan removes doomsday and gives lex the classic power armor from the comics
See that's a fun idea. And that's the problem, Zach Snyder won't do fun comic book things because they aren't dark and gritty and real. I'm pretty sure Watchmen and DKR are the only comics he's every read and he probably just skipped to the parts where people get punched and exploded
It's my least favourite. At least I can laugh at the Schumacher movies. A Batman who kills isn't Batman. (I dislike every other live-action who kills too, but I like Bale the most since he tries not to. However, Pattinson is my favourite live-action Batman).
BVS is relentlessly depressing. Affleck gives the best performance in BVS and there aren’t many good portrayals compared to the comics or even the best DC animated shows in BVS.
So u dislike every live action batman, including Keaton whom blows up a thug woth dynamite and smirks?
@@timgonzales2891 Yeah pretty much. I already stated that. Pattinson is my favourite. Although out of all the live-action Batmen that do kill, Bale is my favourite because he tries not to and has a low body count.
I like the movie but I would of build it up first before we get to this movie. But, I thought heard that zack snyder's wanted a man of steel 2 before bvs but waner bros wanted to to have a justice league asap. There's also a interview where he explain about competition between Marvel and DC and saying we should do their own thing instead of copying them but then joss's justice league happen and......you know.
Tyler superman is so good it shows that superman can work on screen well
If the very first thing in the fight was a dose of Kryptonite then the instant fight it would have all made sense. Superman would of been fighting for his life then angry
Is bat-watch going to cover the animated batman centric movies ?
Omg thank you Sal for making a Death to Smoochie mention!
the way Bruce reacts to Lois saying Martha, with Bruce then going into a ptsd episode about it
Would he then not react the same way to the name Thomas being said? 😂
I've met more Thomas's than Martha's 😂
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I have no problem being in the minority when it comes to Wonder Woman’s theme, but I don’t like it. It’s difficult to seamlessly fit into a movie which is why it transitions a certain way in the No Man’s Land scene in her film. You can’t just play it when she shows up.
The problem with this movie is the writing is dumb nonsense and no character represents the iconography
It was localized as "vs" where I live.
After Batman 66 and LEGO Batman, I would do Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker with Casually Comics since Sal and Benny covered Mask of the Phantasm already with her. I guess if Dylan hasn’t seen Mask of the Phantasm, you could do it again. The DC animated film universe with Bad Blood among others shouldn’t be touched. I would do the two parts for the Dark Knight Returns and Under the Red Hood where just try to stick to the good animated Batman films.
If the central plot revolves around Batman plotting to murder someone then you can't call it a Batman film. That's just not Batman. Now there is a way this could be written better if you say Batman doesn't consider Superman human and thus doesn't see an issue with murdering him and he realises his mistake when he learns Clark has a family, a mother, a fiancé, and he see's Clark's humanity. There are hints of this in the movie but I'm more inclined to believe they're accidental rather than planned.
The old Batman comics where he tosses people off roofs and shoots them with machine guns attached to his Bat-Plane are not about Batman either I guess! I’m not one of those people who thinks he should kill but you people act like he is Jesus or something.
@@greggoat6570 The no kill rule was established in Batman #4. He only killed people for a couple issues. Guess what Superman couldn't fly when he first appeared, does anyone give a shit? No, because he's been able to fly for 82 years.
Fun fact, that’s part of the BVS: Asylum script where Jude Law would have been Superman and Colin Ferrell would have been Batman. They start off the movie as friends with an implied history. Superman says he’s not human as a way to force Batman to stop fighting him and deal with what was going on. Holy crap, the ultimate plan revealed is insane in that third act by the villain by the way.
i hate zack snyder's superman, he doesn't even feel like superman. where's his sense of boyscout charm? his love and hope? every single movie superman is in, zack snyder manages to make him look "evil" or morally grey. and the snyder cut just straight up once again teases evil superman in the post credit scene. at this point, superman has been a bad guy in the movies more time than he's been a good guy. what a joke. it's like snyder hates superman and uses batman as a self insert.
not to mention batman's a murderer now, which makes him a total hypocrite in terms of the criminals he apprehends but also in the way he views superman. lex isn't lex. like the movie is just bad.
Even tho I love ZSJL BVS ultimate edition is a kinda of a mix bag but I still appreciate this movie Ben Affleck is a great flawed character, Henry cavil Superman despite not having more to say or do still a different take on Superman that I appreciate….Jessie’s lex is over the top and weird but still has an interesting plan to take Superman out instead of another real-estate plan. Also Wonder Woman was bad asss …this movie is truthly a mix bad but I appreciate it
the way I look at the fight is Batman wasn’t listening and Superman just threw him around for a little to show him wtf is up and then it backfired and the kryptonite came out.
How do y’all not talk about the warehouse scene lol
Compared to Batman and Robin, this is a masterpiece.
This movie biggest problem is that it should of been the world finest
Do at least a few of the animated batman movies. I'd say do bad blood and batman vs robin
When you do the animated movies you should consider a crossover with the Watchtower Database crew. Why? Because it would amuse me, isn't that good enough for you??
Affleck would have only gotten one solo movie with his death in a future Justice League movie where Joe Manganiello has discussed it at length. Batgirl would have debuted in it and it becomes a team-up against Deathstroke as Deathstroke goes after people Bruce loves. Reeves wasn’t touching any of that.
"A miserable, sad superman"??? Didn't that happen with Brightburn? Superman the character himself NEEDS to be "upbeat, hopeful and 'the boy scout'." Anything else.. Isn't really superman.
The movie itself was just a MESS to me... The characters were way too OOC... They tried to force to much stuff into the same film... It was just nahh..,.. And doomsday?.. That just made me smack my head and go "WHY?"... It was just way, way too much, for what was just supposed to be a Batman/Superman movie. (given the title)
Watching Benny’s opinion on things makes me question his taste💀💀💀💀
They should definitely watch batman dragon it's a cool 70s kung-fu movie vibe didn't even know It came out
I know it isn't good, but I love this movie
Looking back at all this now I'm glad Snyder Cavil and Affleck are gone for good.
AMD crew please do a watch of Morbius on Batwatch, for the bit 😂
What I can’t buy about that fight is that WORLD’S GREATEST DETECTIVE BATMAN couldn’t figure out that Superman had a mom beforehand
Superwatch! All the Superman movies
When knit picks add up and make the movie bad, it makes it a Knit pick to find something GOOD in it. Benny is knit picking good parts in a bad movie not vice versa
Exactly it had too much hands
Apparently Jesse Eisenberg was supposed to play Jimmy Olsen, but he turned it down when he learnt he gets shot in the face
That’s not true at all.
Wasn't it going to be revealed that Martha Kent was Martha Wayne in the movies that would've followed? Also Lois cheats on Clark with Bruce or something like that.
Yes, that was an idea at one point with Martha Wayne surviving and becoming Martha Kent. After Clark’s death, Lois and Bruce would have ended up in a relationship between BVS and Justice League where Lois gets pregnant.
@@DanV900 Heard the Martha thing was just a joke but the Bruce & Lois thing was for real but scrapped after reactions to BvS.
I understood the sentiment behind the "Martha" scene, but ZS could've worded it differently and did some tweaking to the crime alley scene. like have the LL pleading with Bruce mirror him pleading with Joe Chill to not off his parents and Lois name drop Martha Kent triggering Bruce even more into coming to his senses. not sure if that would be better, but that part could've been handled better.
I've never wanted to strangle someone in a movie more than Jesse eisenberg in this one. And also Snyder for directing it.
Outside of wonder woman, the warehouse scene is the only good action scene the WB produced at the time, personally.
He did not fit at all with the more serious tone the movie has. It feels like he is from a comedy movie.
Even then, it's soured by the fact that Batman murders a bunch of people in it.
Jessie Eisenberg's Lex Luthor is probably the worst or one of the worst character adaptations. They missed the mark so badly to the point where I just question why have Lex Luthor in the movie anyway if he is going to be the complete opposite of what he is.
@@joshheralal8758 I agree. I find it more interesting when Batman doesn't kill because he has to find different ways to handle tough situations.
Ill give Snyder credit for giving me my best superman n Batman fights on the wide screen
They’re the only live-action ones on the big screen unless you saw The Dark Knight Returns Part 2 in a theater.
I really don't think it would have been redeemed in any way with the sequels. Like Sup' was going to be evil again. Yeah great, the Superman we didn't want !
I have a really good question about the movie; why is Batman mad at superman for killing people, if he himself killed people, and superman is mad at Batman for killing people, but he killed people?
In defense of that bad movie. Batman killing criminals. Superman tackling a dude through skyscrapers killing innocent people.
Now excuse me as go confess my sins to a priest for defending BvS.
@@fragile4408 You are forgiven, my son.
I have Batman '66 on dvd
They should do a Spider-Man watch movie and review all the Spider-Man movies after bat watch lol
Lex to me was Death of Superman Lex with long hair
BVSDOJ:UE is the only name for this movie.
Agreed
Afflecks batman is the goat and tbh its not even close. I'm not including the josstice cut
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I just don't think you can watch bvs and say it's a good movie because of the plans of unmade moves. Movie stands on its own and it's not good. Good portrayal of Batman and that's where it ends.
Batman 66 is a fantastic comedy movie.
I’ve loved this movie since I saw it in theaters. The backlash made me feel like I was on crazy pills and it made me realize movies are completely subjective. I can probably thank this movie for being the beginning of my complicated relationship with movie opinions as a whole.
Not just movies, but moreso artistic media in general
Personally Thor the dark world and Thor 1 are better than Thor Raknarok sorry not sorry.
Also Batman 66 next😁 then lego batman maybe animated batman movies
Do batman 66
You guys should watch Lego Batman
I liked the movie.
Am I the only one who doesn’t like wonder woman’s theme?
I’m with you where it doesn’t work honestly when she just appears in a movie compared to other heroes. You have to set it up and can only really use it during action scenes.
Yeah the injustice approach ruined the snyder verse and I love injustice, you're 100% right Benben
JL2 and 3 were horrible scripts and you know it, I watched you read it.
I do enjoy the movie but I enjoyed the first suicide squad and the josstice cut though not as much as the snydercut.
Also the main fight was so short..
The casting was amazing for the snyderverse, Jeremy Irons nailed it. @Sal
Snyder doesn't care about Clark Kent @Dylan, bing.. so right.
And yes Dylan absolutely, Injustice only works if you establish the true Justice League as a solid foundation.
The ultimate cut explains the Luther set up with superman better and proves the woman lied in court, it also added the scene where superman actually explains himself instead of just flying off which makes him look guilty, that's all I remember.
Takes it from a D to a C grade movie.
BVS movie is a perfect film. And this martha argument enrage me. Superman tried to explain to batman but all bruce could see was red. When we started the film bruce was already on warpath with no room for compromise. So when superman gets hit multiple times because of booby traps he tries to move him somewhere else to explain. And we end up with the fight we get.
If you think BVS is perfect, you need to watch more movies since it’s fine to like it a lot, but perfect? Absolutely not. The Martha thing is awful when Batman has been fighting for 20 years. This isn’t a young Batman who possibly might get phased by that.
@@DanV900 it isn't about being young or old. Batman is broken when we get introduced to him. More broken than any other batman in live action. If you watch batman beyond you know over time he becomes more grumpy. This is because all the people hes lost over the years and the fact that he hasn't achieve his life goal. This is same issue batman has gone through in bvs. Since the death of robin hes become more cruel and less willing to make changes.
@@2nd_Variable His Robin wielded a halberd which we know from set photos and weapons of BVS magazines where that’s a very vicious weapon designed to maim and kill. Snyder said the Robin killed was years ago in universe and it was Dick Grayson. I didn’t say anything about his demeanor with being grumpy where the Batman Beyond version is not the same guy. The length of time he has been fighting matters where it’s unrealistic that after 20 years, someone saying Martha triggers him that much. Batman was already killing, but branding was a step up. It’s nonsensical for him to freak out that much.
@@DanV900 lmao so you think robin staff is safer? I think thats ridiculous, there are tons of heroes that use weapons that should kill but instead use it to wound. Batman have been indirect killing by branding criminals on purpose since robins death. He didnt really physically cross the line until he decided that superman was too dangerous to live. He wasn't getting triggered by the name martha but the sentence. "You're letting him kill martha" like i said earlier bruce was like a bull that saw red. Charging towards battle breaking his rule and killing the batman. But as soon as he heard clark say that it was like he woke up from a nightmare. Then he finds out that monster he was going to kill was someone son. He saw clark in a new light and realize he was the monster.
@@2nd_Variable So you don’t know what a halberd is and couldn’t be bothered to Google it, huh? A staff is significantly safer than a halberd. A halberd literally has a blade on it where there is the point on top designed to stab. Robin would have been constantly slicing people so honestly he was a killer in this universe. As a duo, they would have been slicing and dicing while killing left and right. This wasn’t just causing minor wounds and it would have been hard not to kill people with it. It’s from the Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Tech Manual by the way with Robin’s halberd. People tried to justify it on Reddit where this link has a picture of that page which was ridiculous such as saying it was Jason Todd, but Snyder said the dead Robin was Dick Grayson who would never wield a weapon like that.
Of course later Titans which is an atrocious show also had Batman as a killer and made Robin brutal, but Robin himself wouldn’t kill. Yes, the Martha scene wasn’t subtle and a young Batman freaking out would be easier to justify, not a veteran of 20 years. You trying to explain what happened when the movie was as direct as possible and showed flashbacks as if the audience was too dumb to figure out was going on and remember the beginning of the movie drove that point home. It’s not a big mystery. This Batman was already a killer and the big change was branding. Robin also would have killed with the halberd. That’s just common sense with the way Snyder uses characters. www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/4ux7s5/an_explanation_for_robins_seemingly_deadly_weapon/?
I remember seeing it in theaters in middle school (so I was like the prime demographic) and thinking it was stupid and boring
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Sal hasn't seen the ultimate edition? Weren't yall supposed to prepare for this video 😑
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The problem with Martha is that superman, who already is written poorly, calls his mother by his first name, which is very dumb.