This video is amazing, as for the last 5 days I’ve been 95% convinced I am autistic. However, after researching giftedness I have found the answer to my questions and this video has really helped to highlight the difference in the overlapping generalized symptoms of the 3 conditions. I am still due to discuss my experience with a professional, so perhaps there is more under the hood, we’ll see :) I would like to add a thought which relates to misdiagnosis. To be completely honest I felt a little disappointed when I concluded that in my case the condition is giftedness and not autism. In a sense it probably comes from the feeling that I would feel much more positive about my self-image if I were to be diagnosed as autistic and feel like I was able to overcome and deal with the difficulties that come with it. Perhaps it’s the trap of giftedness that likes to find a reason as to why we struggle in some areas (mainly social) while being brilliant in others, and this can lead us to develop a bias as to why that is. I think the ego is more protected if you are a person who succeeds from struggling rather than a person struggling from success. The story of the underdog is all around us and ingrained into our psyche. Gifted people are perceptive, so if they’ve convinced themselves of something they can find ways to make it present as true, especially if the diagnostician is not experienced and unaware of giftedness. I only had a strong confirmation that I am not autistic after taking the GADC Checklist which differentiates giftedness from Asperger’s Syndrome. You can find it here towards the bottom of the page: www.davidsongifted.org/gifted-blog/a-unique-challenge-sorting-out-the-differences-between-giftedness-and-aspergers-disorder/ This is just my thought as it relates to my situation and it’s simplified, so the comment is not too long.
There is far more to giftedness than perceptive. It’s a physiological difference and a completely different software program. How information is processed, how much is processed and how it is stored and used in memory is completely different from NT’s . The higher bandwidth is in all areas. It’s fascinating and the most useful part to learn is that low bandwidth and low ability think in nonlinear ways or outside of norms along with having to link story and emotion to retrieve memory in NTs means they cannot see all that is there or link things together and make logic leaps as easily. Bandwidth differences limit what people can have actively in their mind, like how far out from themselves can their bubble of perception expand. Also, for asd much is not fair because it is not a disability for some things but hyper ability and in others it is only the environment that disables and that isn’t related to the person with ASD. Most information on norms were done with NT as the standard of ideal, so it’s bound to be off because they are different and judging based on their own experience.
Interresting. I'm gifted, IQ above 130. I was misdiagnosed with ADHD at age 11. Strange the Psychologist knew what my IQ was (is). Primary School was extremely boring and somewhat traumatic because I didn't get enough intellectual stimulation. High School was wonderful! But by that time no one taught me how to study. Now as an adult, I can finally use my giftedness for my own enjoyment by learning new things. I recently bought an online e learning course in Digital Marketing and I find it very intellectually stimulating and interesting.
I was a gifted child then trauma mostly destroyed my focus and potential. Now I have all the symptoms and behavior of Asperger's but I'm diagnosed with a lot of other mental health issues and I swear what's supposed to help makes it worse. Nobody listens to me or can help me. They make it worse but it's always put back on me. It's like reaching out for help is more of a detriment but I manage to stay somewhat determined. I have many interests and I want to write a book but I have a GED and only went to seventh grade and my grammar reflects that for the most part. I self learn well but I end up so overwhelmed I end up walking away from my projects.
I was a "gifted" kid in the 80s and 90s who took accelerated courses but was never great socially. I suspect is that "gifted" and autistic will one day be synonyms.
It cannot be. They present similar experiences but it’s from different sources and the two are different in how they process information. ASD abd gifted will understand each other better for a multitude of shared experiences but do not need to be blended into one. Even twice exceptional people with both have distinct differences with in themselves.
Great video! It makes me think, I don’t cope brilliantly in chaotic places like cities, but now I understand why I am so enraptured when say standing by a waterfall in nature. There’s not ‘too’ much going on, but the sensory stuff that is there, is felt deeply and acutely so that it feels sublime. Absorbing the subtle stimulus that nature provides is easier than absorbing the crassness of city stimulus.
Such a great video. Thank you . IQ tests are part of the picture to determine giftedness which can also really harm gifted people as well those who have a high IQ ( intellectually gifted ) who are also autistic, ADHD or have an LD and in the 2E category place can give the impression the persons is more capable and they are just not trying hard enough.
I'm one of those with the trifecta. Labeled as gifted as a child and that masked the other two. ADHD diagnosis came in my late 20s and finally the autistic diagnosis when I was 50. It's been a rough ride.
Thank you for covering this! I've actually been extensively researching this very topic the last couple months because I've had multiple people comment on a video on my channel telling me I'm describing autism, not giftedness. There is so much misinformation in the general public that makes living as a gifted person much harder, so we need more videos like this for greater clarity! Because I've been doing so much research into both the autistic and ADHD experiences, I just wanted to point out that your presentation of autism seems to be based on outdated stereotypes that the autistic community is actively trying to correct. For example, an autistic person's hobby could be basketball, Dungeons and Dragons, or computer coding, not something obscure like model trains. There's also a relatively recent theory of autism called Monotropism that explains the autistic experience as the inability to focus on or experience more than one thing at a time, and many autistic people deeply resonate with the theory. To me, the theory makes more sense because autism seems to be so much more than just a person's sensory issues. Thank you for your content! I'm 1.5 years into my own journey of giftedness discovery, having never been identified as a kid. You've helped clarify a lot of things I've experienced!
Very clear information, thank you! Though now I'm wondering if I'm more then just gifted and the thought of being a tad Autistic too is somewhat shocking. Thank you again for the clear breakdown.
This is going to help me so much with my research. I'm writing as essay about the consequences of gifted children getting misdiagnosed with ADHD and Autism.
I'm not comfortable with the gifted or 2e labels. I'm an AuDHDer and have been called both. But it just makes me feel even more othered. I don't seem to fit in anywhere. Both terms also feel somewhat elitist to me. I prefer to say that I have a spiky skillset, with extreme lows and highs.
I have all three, now I'm sure. Which baffles me because if it is so rare, how did it end up in me? But I have all the overlapping struggles for all of the reasons. Sensory because overwhelm from environment, smells, and sounds and re-regulating requiring specific sensory items. Sensory because I'm a therapist and I can't turn off my emotional perception and that gets exhausting. Sensory because I can't concentrate on this task that my perfectionist brain is convinced I'm going to fail because WHY IS THAT NOISE OVER THERE? Executive function the classic prioritizing, planning, working memory fails, procrastination because I don't want to do that super boring thing just because you say I have to (that may be ODD too HA). Executive function the perfection leading to procrastination and avoidance. Executive function sequence struggles, crashing into things, shutdown, rigidity, do not interrupt me or my brain will explode and I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET ON TRACK. Social difficulties because people don't say what they actually mean or get offended by factual things. Social difficulties because I can't listen to you saying all these words when 5 WOULD HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT and why are answering a question AROUND what I asked but fail to actually answer the question? Social difficulties because overwhelm and being misunderstood and having to follow these weird friendship rules that no one articulates until you break them? When they dont even make sense in the first place. WHY DO I HAVE TO end a conversation in a polite way or answer something just because YOU came over and decided it was the right time to ask that question? Why is "ok I'm done peopling" not acceptable? Why must you make interpretations about my face or body language when you're in fact running those interpretations through your own bias that YOU WONT ACKNOWLEDGE. I'd add narcissism to the list for me but my empathic abilities were pronounced before the age of 3. And I care about people a lot, when they are in pain it hurts me too. And I believe we should be able to live as ourselves and I can feel empathy for the ******** worst people in the world, so narcissism is probably just an external manifestation of my frustration with people's contradicting behaviors. I feel like I live in a paradox. And I'm exhausted everyday. If I didn't mask everything that is me, people would probably hate me, I'd probably never have a job, definitely would be divorced, and then hate myself anyway.
YAYYY!! ever since I found your channel I've binged every video and waited (im)patiently for the next one!! you're helping me and this community so much, thank you!
Thanks for your kind words! I took a break from making content for this channel this summer while I created videos for my membership program, but that's all set now so I'll be back to a regular posting schedule in the fall :)
My 12yo son fits into all the "gifted" paterns except number 5, where he fits int adhd due to being impulsive, gets frustrated easily and burst of anger. He's being assessed by his new school, although he's been assessed many times before by previous schools and psychologists who say he's "ok". 🤷
Awesome video Lisa🙏 I’ll need to watch it a couple more times and take some notes to really grasp everything(2E here…), but it’s packed with valuable insights as always!
Thanks for this amazing video 🌞 Could you explain the difference between sensory processing and sensory regulation or overload you mentioned in Autism emotional intensity pls?
Sure! Sensory Processing is how the brain interprets sensory input. Sensory Regulation is how a person manages and responds to that sensory input. And Sensory Overload is when the sensory input becomes too much for the brain to handle, which can lead to intense emotional reactions. Hope this helps!
I am intrigued by the idea of giftedness as a sibling neurodivergence to autism and adhd, but after some research, it seems like giftedness is just a method for discussing autism or adhd (or both) in a more positive light and socially generous place (or from within a "social model of disability" that is not aware of itself as such...) this feels especially true in the way sensory differences were handled in this video. Why is it "trouble filtering" for adhd'ers, but "intense perception" for gifted folks? Maybe I'm just both and so I can't see the difference between those things, but the sensory experiences sound like the same to me... All this is to say, I appreciate the generosity of the giftedness model, but I am confused about why it is considered a separate neurodivergence, rather than a social and educational MODELfor thinking about neurodivergence when the symptoms/characteristics are SO similar.
It's always hard to find the right words to describe the invisible ways our brains work. And while there are definitely overlapping behaviors between giftedness, ADHD and autism, there are some significant differences. In the case of intense perception vs. trouble filtering, the subtle difference is that gifted folks have the ability to notice more granular detail about the world around them, (which is what drives their ability to make connections between pieces of information that aren't obviously related), while folks with ADHD notice the typical amount of detail, but have difficulty tuning the unimportant stuff out. So if a person with ADHD notices items A, B, C, D and E in their environment, the gifted person in the same environment notices items A, a, B, b, C, c, D, d, and E, e. The person with ADHD might need to focus on A, but might get distracted by B and irritated by C. The gifted person, on the other hand, notices the pattern linking A, a, B, an b, and comes to conclusion XYZ, which is not obvious to the other people around them. (My apologies for the convoluted example -- as I say, it's hard to describe what's going on inside the brain!)
You make such a great point! There is so much negative talk in talking about ADHD (and also ASD). It hurts to hear people describing the need for a deep connection to the world around us as a kind of drug seeking behavior (dopamine seeking etc.) All brains need and seek certain hormones, but human behavior and the human experience is so mich more meaningful than that. This is not much different is neurodivergent people. I hope the way we are going to talk about this in the future is going to change because this is so one dimensional and from the perspective of someone who has not experiences this themselves. Common knowledge about neurodivergence has already grown so much because of crowdsourcing and social media and I think it's amazing. Although some misconceptions are also being spread. But it's certainly better than it was before. When I was young ADHD just ment young boys being hyperactive and agressive. So as a young girl and woman I never thought being smart, having a very high EQ, being very quite and daydreaming a lot and being very talented at artistic skills could fit this mold. It is only in the last 5 years or so I learned SO much about ADHD and in particular, being a woman with ADHD, which has very different characteristics. I still find myself in negative self talk because other people and professionals mostly talk about ADHD as it being a bad thing. Thoughtful wording is very important. And although this video and it's creator is full of good intentions, there is also still a lot to learn. It's easy to fall into negatively perceived stereotypes when giving examples (ADHDers just seeking dopamine and interrupting people, ASDers just seeking patterns and being fascinated by trains, etcetera.) While this could potentially be worded in such a different and more original manner that is way more fitting to the authentic experience. It would be a good thing to think about what these wordings mean for just a while longer. Because they have so much impact on how neurodivergents view themselves and neurodivergents around them and their place in society and other social structures.
@@detandenfee All very good points. I think using a neuroaffirming approach and viewing differences through the lens of the neurodiversity paradigm goes a long way in depathologizing neurodivergence. It is unfortunate that many professionals and institutions have not yet picked up on these frameworks, but I think things will continue to move in a positive direction as more neurodivergent folks seek community, share their experiences, and work towards self acceptance and affirmation. When we see ourselves as whole humans who deserve to be seen and have our needs met like anyone else, it is easier to work towards common goals of wider understanding and inclusion for all. Of course, we cannot do all of this work by ourselves. We need folks in the neuromajority, especially those in positions of authority and influence, to be our allies in this fight for equity. TBH, I stopped watching the video less than 30 seconds in after Asperger's was mentioned. That term is out-of-date and reeks of functioning labels. But I'm glad I came for the comments. 💜
As a gifted person who is interested in autism as being the most similar to giftedness i find that the actual differences in cognition and physiology is not discussed much unless you go into the journals on research. The information processing and memory is highly different between the three types of minds. It comes down to bandwidth for information, what is stored and processed, how information is retried and applied. Outward traits of asd in giftedness looks the same on appearance but is not of the same cause. Base level trait overlap with ASD is around +/- 35% and increases the higher the IQ. For me I think ASD is viewed unfairly as disability when the same exact traits are not considered disabled in Gifted people but are seen as hyper ability. In giftedness the bandwidth for information and processing of information is high and though we have meltdowns there is no safety fuse of a shutdown and overload with no relief can do physiological harm. Giftedness is seen as taboo and is thought to magically disappear at adulthood and we just become neurotypical. That’s incorrect and it means no access to resources or support that were available as a child. Neural density and hyperactivity is part of giftedness as it is too with ASD. The sensory issues are same to light, taste, temperature, smell touch but in giftedness it’s also hyper emotional , you feel others emotions and your own and in intensity. The difference from ASD is something to do with mirror neurons and though people say ASD is not empathetic, the built in ability to feel more does exist and is similar to Giftedness. Alexithymia is also common to giftedness and ASD. For me, I learn so much more about traits being talked of openly by people on the spectrum and the tips and knowledge they have works wonders. I don’t find as much in common with ADHD as I do ASD. Giftedness is high abstraction ability but ASD is more concrete.
This video is amazing, as for the last 5 days I’ve been 95% convinced I am autistic. However, after researching giftedness I have found the answer to my questions and this video has really helped to highlight the difference in the overlapping generalized symptoms of the 3 conditions. I am still due to discuss my experience with a professional, so perhaps there is more under the hood, we’ll see :)
I would like to add a thought which relates to misdiagnosis. To be completely honest I felt a little disappointed when I concluded that in my case the condition is giftedness and not autism. In a sense it probably comes from the feeling that I would feel much more positive about my self-image if I were to be diagnosed as autistic and feel like I was able to overcome and deal with the difficulties that come with it. Perhaps it’s the trap of giftedness that likes to find a reason as to why we struggle in some areas (mainly social) while being brilliant in others, and this can lead us to develop a bias as to why that is. I think the ego is more protected if you are a person who succeeds from struggling rather than a person struggling from success. The story of the underdog is all around us and ingrained into our psyche. Gifted people are perceptive, so if they’ve convinced themselves of something they can find ways to make it present as true, especially if the diagnostician is not experienced and unaware of giftedness. I only had a strong confirmation that I am not autistic after taking the GADC Checklist which differentiates giftedness from Asperger’s Syndrome. You can find it here towards the bottom of the page: www.davidsongifted.org/gifted-blog/a-unique-challenge-sorting-out-the-differences-between-giftedness-and-aspergers-disorder/
This is just my thought as it relates to my situation and it’s simplified, so the comment is not too long.
There is far more to giftedness than perceptive. It’s a physiological difference and a completely different software program. How information is processed, how much is processed and how it is stored and used in memory is completely different from NT’s . The higher bandwidth is in all areas. It’s fascinating and the most useful part to learn is that low bandwidth and low ability think in nonlinear ways or outside of norms along with having to link story and emotion to retrieve memory in NTs means they cannot see all that is there or link things together and make logic leaps as easily. Bandwidth differences limit what people can have actively in their mind, like how far out from themselves can their bubble of perception expand. Also, for asd much is not fair because it is not a disability for some things but hyper ability and in others it is only the environment that disables and that isn’t related to the person with ASD. Most information on norms were done with NT as the standard of ideal, so it’s bound to be off because they are different and judging based on their own experience.
Interresting. I'm gifted, IQ above 130. I was misdiagnosed with ADHD at age 11. Strange the Psychologist knew what my IQ was (is). Primary School was extremely boring and somewhat traumatic because I didn't get enough intellectual stimulation. High School was wonderful! But by that time no one taught me how to study. Now as an adult, I can finally use my giftedness for my own enjoyment by learning new things. I recently bought an online e learning course in Digital Marketing and I find it very intellectually stimulating and interesting.
I was a gifted child then trauma mostly destroyed my focus and potential. Now I have all the symptoms and behavior of Asperger's but I'm diagnosed with a lot of other mental health issues and I swear what's supposed to help makes it worse. Nobody listens to me or can help me. They make it worse but it's always put back on me. It's like reaching out for help is more of a detriment but I manage to stay somewhat determined. I have many interests and I want to write a book but I have a GED and only went to seventh grade and my grammar reflects that for the most part. I self learn well but I end up so overwhelmed I end up walking away from my projects.
I was a "gifted" kid in the 80s and 90s who took accelerated courses but was never great socially. I suspect is that "gifted" and autistic will one day be synonyms.
It cannot be. They present similar experiences but it’s from different sources and the two are different in how they process information. ASD abd gifted will understand each other better for a multitude of shared experiences but do not need to be blended into one. Even twice exceptional people with both have distinct differences with in themselves.
You're still gifted. It's not something you outgrow.
Great video! It makes me think, I don’t cope brilliantly in chaotic places like cities, but now I understand why I am so enraptured when say standing by a waterfall in nature. There’s not ‘too’ much going on, but the sensory stuff that is there, is felt deeply and acutely so that it feels sublime. Absorbing the subtle stimulus that nature provides is easier than absorbing the crassness of city stimulus.
Such a great video. Thank you . IQ tests are part of the picture to determine giftedness which can also really harm gifted people as well those who have a high IQ ( intellectually gifted ) who are also autistic, ADHD or have an LD and in the 2E category place can give the impression the persons is more capable and they are just not trying hard enough.
I'm one of those with the trifecta. Labeled as gifted as a child and that masked the other two. ADHD diagnosis came in my late 20s and finally the autistic diagnosis when I was 50. It's been a rough ride.
Thank you for covering this! I've actually been extensively researching this very topic the last couple months because I've had multiple people comment on a video on my channel telling me I'm describing autism, not giftedness. There is so much misinformation in the general public that makes living as a gifted person much harder, so we need more videos like this for greater clarity!
Because I've been doing so much research into both the autistic and ADHD experiences, I just wanted to point out that your presentation of autism seems to be based on outdated stereotypes that the autistic community is actively trying to correct. For example, an autistic person's hobby could be basketball, Dungeons and Dragons, or computer coding, not something obscure like model trains. There's also a relatively recent theory of autism called Monotropism that explains the autistic experience as the inability to focus on or experience more than one thing at a time, and many autistic people deeply resonate with the theory. To me, the theory makes more sense because autism seems to be so much more than just a person's sensory issues.
Thank you for your content! I'm 1.5 years into my own journey of giftedness discovery, having never been identified as a kid. You've helped clarify a lot of things I've experienced!
Thanks for the updated information - I'm always trying to learn more :)
Very clear information, thank you! Though now I'm wondering if I'm more then just gifted and the thought of being a tad Autistic too is somewhat shocking. Thank you again for the clear breakdown.
This is going to help me so much with my research. I'm writing as essay about the consequences of gifted children getting misdiagnosed with ADHD and Autism.
I'm not comfortable with the gifted or 2e labels. I'm an AuDHDer and have been called both. But it just makes me feel even more othered. I don't seem to fit in anywhere. Both terms also feel somewhat elitist to me. I prefer to say that I have a spiky skillset, with extreme lows and highs.
I have all three, now I'm sure. Which baffles me because if it is so rare, how did it end up in me? But I have all the overlapping struggles for all of the reasons. Sensory because overwhelm from environment, smells, and sounds and re-regulating requiring specific sensory items. Sensory because I'm a therapist and I can't turn off my emotional perception and that gets exhausting. Sensory because I can't concentrate on this task that my perfectionist brain is convinced I'm going to fail because WHY IS THAT NOISE OVER THERE? Executive function the classic prioritizing, planning, working memory fails, procrastination because I don't want to do that super boring thing just because you say I have to (that may be ODD too HA). Executive function the perfection leading to procrastination and avoidance. Executive function sequence struggles, crashing into things, shutdown, rigidity, do not interrupt me or my brain will explode and I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET ON TRACK.
Social difficulties because people don't say what they actually mean or get offended by factual things. Social difficulties because I can't listen to you saying all these words when 5 WOULD HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENT and why are answering a question AROUND what I asked but fail to actually answer the question? Social difficulties because overwhelm and being misunderstood and having to follow these weird friendship rules that no one articulates until you break them? When they dont even make sense in the first place. WHY DO I HAVE TO end a conversation in a polite way or answer something just because YOU came over and decided it was the right time to ask that question? Why is "ok I'm done peopling" not acceptable? Why must you make interpretations about my face or body language when you're in fact running those interpretations through your own bias that YOU WONT ACKNOWLEDGE.
I'd add narcissism to the list for me but my empathic abilities were pronounced before the age of 3. And I care about people a lot, when they are in pain it hurts me too. And I believe we should be able to live as ourselves and I can feel empathy for the ******** worst people in the world, so narcissism is probably just an external manifestation of my frustration with people's contradicting behaviors.
I feel like I live in a paradox. And I'm exhausted everyday. If I didn't mask everything that is me, people would probably hate me, I'd probably never have a job, definitely would be divorced, and then hate myself anyway.
YAYYY!! ever since I found your channel I've binged every video and waited (im)patiently for the next one!! you're helping me and this community so much, thank you!
Thanks for your kind words! I took a break from making content for this channel this summer while I created videos for my membership program, but that's all set now so I'll be back to a regular posting schedule in the fall :)
My 12yo son fits into all the "gifted" paterns except number 5, where he fits int adhd due to being impulsive, gets frustrated easily and burst of anger. He's being assessed by his new school, although he's been assessed many times before by previous schools and psychologists who say he's "ok". 🤷
Awesome video Lisa🙏 I’ll need to watch it a couple more times and take some notes to really grasp everything(2E here…), but it’s packed with valuable insights as always!
Thanks! :)
This video was great, super clear, thanks!
I was diagnosed with ADHD/ASD but what you said about giftedness feels more accurate than ASD. The ADHD is there tho for sure. 🥴
*Screams in all three*
Thank you for the video! It gave me even more ideas to consider.
Thanks for this amazing video 🌞
Could you explain the difference between sensory processing and sensory regulation or overload you mentioned in Autism emotional intensity pls?
Sure! Sensory Processing is how the brain interprets sensory input. Sensory Regulation is how a person manages and responds to that sensory input. And Sensory Overload is when the sensory input becomes too much for the brain to handle, which can lead to intense emotional reactions. Hope this helps!
I am intrigued by the idea of giftedness as a sibling neurodivergence to autism and adhd, but after some research, it seems like giftedness is just a method for discussing autism or adhd (or both) in a more positive light and socially generous place (or from within a "social model of disability" that is not aware of itself as such...) this feels especially true in the way sensory differences were handled in this video. Why is it "trouble filtering" for adhd'ers, but "intense perception" for gifted folks? Maybe I'm just both and so I can't see the difference between those things, but the sensory experiences sound like the same to me... All this is to say, I appreciate the generosity of the giftedness model, but I am confused about why it is considered a separate neurodivergence, rather than a social and educational MODELfor thinking about neurodivergence when the symptoms/characteristics are SO similar.
It's always hard to find the right words to describe the invisible ways our brains work. And while there are definitely overlapping behaviors between giftedness, ADHD and autism, there are some significant differences. In the case of intense perception vs. trouble filtering, the subtle difference is that gifted folks have the ability to notice more granular detail about the world around them, (which is what drives their ability to make connections between pieces of information that aren't obviously related), while folks with ADHD notice the typical amount of detail, but have difficulty tuning the unimportant stuff out. So if a person with ADHD notices items A, B, C, D and E in their environment, the gifted person in the same environment notices items A, a, B, b, C, c, D, d, and E, e. The person with ADHD might need to focus on A, but might get distracted by B and irritated by C. The gifted person, on the other hand, notices the pattern linking A, a, B, an b, and comes to conclusion XYZ, which is not obvious to the other people around them. (My apologies for the convoluted example -- as I say, it's hard to describe what's going on inside the brain!)
You make such a great point!
There is so much negative talk in talking about ADHD (and also ASD).
It hurts to hear people describing the need for a deep connection to the world around us as a kind of drug seeking behavior (dopamine seeking etc.)
All brains need and seek certain hormones, but human behavior and the human experience is so mich more meaningful than that. This is not much different is neurodivergent people.
I hope the way we are going to talk about this in the future is going to change because this is so one dimensional and from the perspective of someone who has not experiences this themselves.
Common knowledge about neurodivergence has already grown so much because of crowdsourcing and social media and I think it's amazing. Although some misconceptions are also being spread. But it's certainly better than it was before. When I was young ADHD just ment young boys being hyperactive and agressive.
So as a young girl and woman I never thought being smart, having a very high EQ, being very quite and daydreaming a lot and being very talented at artistic skills could fit this mold.
It is only in the last 5 years or so I learned SO much about ADHD and in particular, being a woman with ADHD, which has very different characteristics.
I still find myself in negative self talk because other people and professionals mostly talk about ADHD as it being a bad thing. Thoughtful wording is very important. And although this video and it's creator is full of good intentions, there is also still a lot to learn.
It's easy to fall into negatively perceived stereotypes when giving examples (ADHDers just seeking dopamine and interrupting people, ASDers just seeking patterns and being fascinated by trains, etcetera.)
While this could potentially be worded in such a different and more original manner that is way more fitting to the authentic experience.
It would be a good thing to think about what these wordings mean for just a while longer. Because they have so much impact on how neurodivergents view themselves and neurodivergents around them and their place in society and other social structures.
@@detandenfee All very good points. I think using a neuroaffirming approach and viewing differences through the lens of the neurodiversity paradigm goes a long way in depathologizing neurodivergence. It is unfortunate that many professionals and institutions have not yet picked up on these frameworks, but I think things will continue to move in a positive direction as more neurodivergent folks seek community, share their experiences, and work towards self acceptance and affirmation. When we see ourselves as whole humans who deserve to be seen and have our needs met like anyone else, it is easier to work towards common goals of wider understanding and inclusion for all. Of course, we cannot do all of this work by ourselves. We need folks in the neuromajority, especially those in positions of authority and influence, to be our allies in this fight for equity.
TBH, I stopped watching the video less than 30 seconds in after Asperger's was mentioned. That term is out-of-date and reeks of functioning labels. But I'm glad I came for the comments. 💜
As a gifted person who is interested in autism as being the most similar to giftedness i find that the actual differences in cognition and physiology is not discussed much unless you go into the journals on research. The information processing and memory is highly different between the three types of minds. It comes down to bandwidth for information, what is stored and processed, how information is retried and applied. Outward traits of asd in giftedness looks the same on appearance but is not of the same cause. Base level trait overlap with ASD is around +/- 35% and increases the higher the IQ. For me I think ASD is viewed unfairly as disability when the same exact traits are not considered disabled in Gifted people but are seen as hyper ability. In giftedness the bandwidth for information and processing of information is high and though we have meltdowns there is no safety fuse of a shutdown and overload with no relief can do physiological harm. Giftedness is seen as taboo and is thought to magically disappear at adulthood and we just become neurotypical. That’s incorrect and it means no access to resources or support that were available as a child. Neural density and hyperactivity is part of giftedness as it is too with ASD. The sensory issues are same to light, taste, temperature, smell touch but in giftedness it’s also hyper emotional , you feel others emotions and your own and in intensity. The difference from ASD is something to do with mirror neurons and though people say ASD is not empathetic, the built in ability to feel more does exist and is similar to Giftedness. Alexithymia is also common to giftedness and ASD. For me, I learn so much more about traits being talked of openly by people on the spectrum and the tips and knowledge they have works wonders. I don’t find as much in common with ADHD as I do ASD. Giftedness is high abstraction ability but ASD is more concrete.
If you read what giftedness is beyond the “smart” label it explains why giftedness is a separate neurodivergence.
Thank you ❤
It's not helping that much here - it feels like I fit most of all three... but it's so unlikely it's hard to believe I could.
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