Was Anakin More Powerful Than Starkiller? - Star Wars Explained
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- In today’s video I want to go back to the old fantasy battles that I used to cover on the channel and have some fun with this one.
Anakin Skywalker, the chosen one, had the potential to be the most powerful Jedi in existence, until his untimely demise at the hands of his former master, Obi-Wan Kenobi during Order 66, who chopped him up on Mustafar and left him to burn, only to become a fraction of the man we was destined to become.
George Lucas has claimed that Vader only became 80% as powerful as the Emperor after he got burned up, and for this reason, never was could properly beat him one on one. Now you might be wondering how Vader killed the Emperor then in ROTJ. The answer is because Palpatine’s focus and hatred on killing Luke completely tunneled him from seeing Vader’s betrayal, and once Vader grabbed him, his anger exemplified as he blacked out in a fit of Sith rage, shooting lightning all over the place as he threw palpatine over the railing.
Now, had Anakin not lost to obi-wan Kenobi, how powerful would he have become? He would have been the most powerful being in the galaxy, forever.
Star Killer, on the other hand, was the epitome of Luke Skywalker’s full potential had he been the one to learn from Vader. His ability to stop a star destroyer, his ability to send a shockwave outwards from his body and incinerate all those around him, were feats of the force that burnt Anakin could never do. In the game, he fights Vader and wins, it wasn’t an easy battle, but it definitely ended in his favour. So we know what would have happened had he found Vader, but this Video is about Anakin at his full potential fighting Star Killer. Had Anakin not lost to obi-wan, had he not burned up, he would have reached his true potential.
Anakin at his true potential, would have killed Star Killer, no doubt in my mind. However, we have never seen Anakin at his true potential, so we must then focus on Anakin just before he lost to obi-wan, fighting Star Killer. Had these two been pitted against one another on Mustafar or elsewhere, it would have been a terribly close battle. Now in the comics and the books, legends and canon, Anakin’s force abilities were really shown, however in the movies, we didn’t get to see them in all their glory. In legends material, the first time Anakin killed someone infrtont of obi-wan, was by combusting them into flames. This kind of power is next to that of a fully powered mage.
Anakin in revenge of the Sith against Star Killer would lose. Star Killer was just too powerful in the force. Now if it were a battle of lightsaber combat, then Anakin might have the upper hand, but I’d again, have to give it to star killer, he was too ferocious, too fast, and too powerful for Anakin at this point in his life. He had just turned to the dark side, and he didn’t get enough time to really hone his new fighting skills and powers. And yes, I say new fighting skills because Hayden Christensen in the bonus DVD of episode 3, even says that Anakin’s entire fighting style is different once he turns to the dark side. I hope one day we’ll get more elaboration on that, but until then, that’s all we have to go off of.
So, Vader vs Starkiller, Starkiller wins.
Anakin full potential vs starkiller, Anakin wins.
Anakin revenge fo the Sith vs Starkiller, Starkiller wins.
However, and this is a big however, Anakin in revenge of the Sith vs starkiller but protecting padme is a completely different story. See, when Anakin has emotions mixed into his fighting, he’s a very different fighter. He doesn’t use the light side or the dark side, rather, he just uses the force. In the novel against Dooku, as Dooku taunted him, he started hurling tables at the Count, throwing things and beams from across the room with the force. He was relentless and very powerful. The amount of energy that Anakin expels when something emotional is fuelling him or something is at stake yields a completely different person and force user.
Anakin Skywalker would win in certain specific scenarios, but even then, it would be tough, but I do believe he would win in the end, just maybe, not all in one piece depending on the situation.
Thanks for watching this one hope you have a great day, may the force be with you, always!!!
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“We’ve never seen Anakin at his full potential” you clearly have forgotten about Anakin at launch in bf2
LMAO
We underestimated his power.
The man was an absolute monster at launch, killing entire armies, slaughtering not only the men, but women and children too
ARC-5555 'Fives' that’s true, because they were practically gods.
Rag dolled Maul so bad they gave him a block.
Starkiller holding padme as hostage and talking about how much he loves sand...
Only then you'll see Anakins true power
Padme already likes sand so they might start going back and forth about how much they like sand
Anakin: No.mp3
anakin does NOT! like sand
You can probably say the same thing about Starkiller.
Anakin holding Juno hostage talking about how he'll kill her if Starkiller doesn't do something.
Lmaooooo the sand part took me out 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Ahahaha sand
A guy can only be called “Annie” so many times before he snaps!!
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Annie is you ok? Are you ok Annie? You’ve been struck by, you’ve been struck by... The Liviiiiing Force
Ha that’s great
Leonhart is perfect for the job.
Little Orphan Annie!!! LMAO He had a hard knock life!!!
Anakin at full potential:
*sneezes
(Incinerates planet)
lol
Basically vitiate lol
Turns planets into sand 😉
My allergies are coarse, irritating, and they get everywhere.
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They should make a series taking Anakin to his highest potential via a “What if?” Storyline.
What I’ve been saying
YES
They should’ve made a 3 movies where obi wan turned him back to the light and he reached his full potential
As a jedi or a sith?
broo yessss!!! they should like maybe make like a animated series like a what if , and each episode has a different what if type series , that would be a lot of seasons and episodes
Starkiller: Endangers Padmé.
Anakin: Endangers Juno.
Both of Them: *YOU WANNA GO? HUH?!*
This deserves more love
@Itachi Is superior to you yeah but Vader had 3 out of his 4 limbs cut off and was burned to a crisp. If it was Anakin Skywalker enraged, that's a whole different story. Treat the two as different characters because they often are perceived as two separate beings. Even though they are the same person.
@@nathankapinga4644 Starkville faced the spirit of Anakin in Jedi temple and annihilated him.
@@bigmonkeking9067 thats not his full potential tho
Star killer has probably reached his full potential when he defeated vader and become a sith anakin would have destroyed him in his full potential, yes he defeated his spirit but what if he fight the real thing? What if he fight an enraged anakin thats more powerful than vader? Cuz as we know vader suit was outdated af as we could see it in vader comic issue 8-9 and still op he has 4 limbs choped and his suit weaknest againts lightning dont also forget that he has 20 thousand midiclorians and in revenge of the sith anakin wasn't really suited on his dark side fighting style yet star killer on the other hands was trained in the dark side for years anakin was trained by a padawan that is not a jedi master his true master is dead and still be op as he is now
“If you're not with me, you're my enemy.”
“You’re a slave to the dark side I would be doing the galaxy a favor.” FIGHT
I actually wish we could play as jedis and siths in mortal kombat
@@stormtroopertk-421 A not so Long time ago on a Playstaion you could. It was it's own game. I can't remember the name but Mara Jade was a bonus character.
@@Toothache1988 masters of terra kasi
Star Killer yeah good point actually, and yeah i hate how mk11 mechanics turned out, mkxl is way better imo
Jeremy Bauchet Starkiller and Vader were in the version I had
Anakin at his "potential" prime would have overpowered anyone.
Ah yes, aNiKaN
Not really. Anakin would not have been able to overpower Luke Skywalker & Leia Skywalker *(both combined).* Or Abeloth.
Anakin never reached his full potential so this power you claim is a myth
@@TheObliviousStormtrooper Luke was able to Overpowered Vader (who was holding back massively) and that was confirmed Luke at his weakest state and Anakin was like a trillion times more powerful than any of his offspring ever was.
@@KingGlo300 yes he very much did granted that was more Filloni saying fuck you to everyone saying that Anakin was not the chosen one and nowadays it's used as confirmed FACT that rey is NOT the chosen one over a feat of Anakin's absolute power it was merely a taste of what he was capable of.
Anakin LITERALLY bent the embodiments of good and evil to his will
Yessssssa dude i support you 100% in life or death👌
Bent
Yes but Starkiller crashed a star destroyer also killed a monster much bigger then him plus beat sidious and darth vader
@@stevenlucas8540 what's the catch? I mean take a sec and tink about what im about to say Anakin straight up bended the force god of the light and the force god of darkness to his will they are the entities that represent good and evil plus Anakin could have beaten darth sidious the only problem was that hes new cyborg body was weak against force lighting what im saying is he was so OP the entire series had to nerf him if Anakin won the fight at mustafar the version of vader would have had no need for young starkiller since he would have been the emperor himself the only actual reason starkiller is even a character is cuz vader had a weakness against force lighting and needed help to overthrow the emperor
@@asagirigen8025 no catch the man was only 18 several years younger then. Anakin and literally grabbed a falling. Planet sized shiped and crashed it to the ground Anakin was 24. When he did that. And Starkiller killed monsters so much bigger then him Anakin had to focus. When he did it Starkiller just straight up fried a sarlac pit and a jedi council member at the same time
Anakin at full potential is the most powerful being - he's unmatched - it would be a joke for anyone to try and fight him
Even without that he was two times the power of sidious Lucas said. What would he have been at if he never lost his limbs?!
@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 a God, he would've been a god
Obi-Wan Kenobi fought him and wrecked his shit dude. Kenobi isn’t even a super powerful Jedi.
i believe starkiller could be his equal. the emperor even said that starkiller would have been his equal or successor.
Edward Burns for real i need an explanation. how tf you gonna tell me he’s unbeatable if he got three of his limbs cut off lmao
I honestly love the "who would win" type of conversations. My dad, who is a very good man, used to affectinately laugh at how often I, as a kid, asked who would win a fight in every contestant combination I could think of. It didn't matter what I was comparing. I might be comparing ferocious animals, characters from a TV show or movie, etc. I have never grow out of wanting to make those hypothetical comparisons, even a tiny bit. Thanks for making this video. :)
Ever play the card game called superfight? The whole thing is basically that! You would probably love it
Yes
I was the same as a kid and I’m still kind of that way. We must be wired the same. Lol you must be Irish 🙌🏻
I asked those same questions all the time to my dad. And a bunch of other far out questions 😂
I just realized darthvader trained starkiller in the same reverse grip style as Anoka given that probably was just a coincidence I still think it's kind of cool
I still stand by Anakin. He is the embodiment of the force.
And the Uchiha
SithLordxUchiha What the fucks a uchiha
@@ausername4487 Its from Naruto
No....Rey Skywalker is.
@@syazwanmustapah2826 May I ask, have you watched all the movies and understood them properly. The Star Wars movies were actually based around the tragedy of Darth Vader/Anakin. Sequels ruined that. It showed they were like the Sith vs the Jedi. And Rey will never be a Skywalker in my eyes. Even though the opinion is subjective, she buried Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber in sand which he hated. No Skywalker would ever do that.
Theory idea: Anakin was never chopped up and reaches his full potential. He still finds Starkiller as a boy and trains him as before. But now Starkiller’s power limit goes further with the training he’s received from Full Potential Anakin/Darth Vader.
(Not for any VS ideas more of an alternate Force Unleased story)
Anakin nor darth vader reaches their full potential.anakin cuz of the obvious reason en vader cuz of the cybernetics and way less human tissue for the force to inhabit
Anakin reaches his full potential and he likely doesn’t take on a secret apprentice. He would have taken out Palpatine at some point on his own because that’s what Siths do.
@Gerard Lafuente Cerqueirathat's true but i think he still wasnt at his peak at that time
Starkiller you have to take into the fact that as a sith in order for Vader to take on a Apprentice they would have to have a potential greater than his in order to become a master and continue the cycle rule of two
@@nategreatgames78 It would not be Sith of him to not have a secret apprentice. Sideous had Maul secretly while being Plageis's #2; Dooku had apprentices secretly while being Sidious's #2.
I believe that Galen could also tap into that same rage if Juno were endangered in front of him too
He was a 17yo teenager and now he´s put up against a fully trained Anakin. This is unfair as hell. Put Starkiller into the same place being fully trained and being on master level of his own abilities and Anakin wouldn´t be a clear Victor in this fight no cap :D
@@xXS4mCr091Xx Anakin is literally space Jesus tho like no matter who Anakins full potential can’t be topped
@@xXS4mCr091Xx well you can’t put both in the same place as then it just matters who has the plot amour
Who is more powerful: Anakin The Chosen One or Starkiller?
Me: Gonk droid. (Edit: thanks for the likes)
Gonk.
No me Mr.Bones
Yes I am
Without a doubt
Skywalker
Summary: Anakins full potential or Anakin if Padme was just killed > Starkiller > Normal Anakin
Lmaoo. Yeah that couldn’t be anymore wrong. Lucas said himself Anakin was already stronger than sidious and yoda both by ROTS. Nice try tho.
@@dazdavis7896 And suddenly Obi-Wan (memes aside although not really) with the high ground is nigh omnipotent
Anthony Obas well that’s obvious. High Ground Kenobi could take Anakin & all 3 Mortis Gods at once of course.
@@dazdavis7896 dude that's an understatement
High ground obi wan would take anakin, mortis gods, legends luke, darth vitiate and dark empire palpatine combined
Bruh Anakin at full potential could literally be a super saiyan
Star killer Destroying Anakin He Defeated Palpatine And Chewbacca And Darth Vader And Luke Skywalker And More In The 2 Games and we also still haven't seen his full potential either
@@thesinofwrath092 well darth Vader who had about 4 limbs missing and had his skin burned off was 80% as strong as palpatine. Without his arrogance he would destroy Starkiller.
@@miltonowens2359 nah He Tried And Lost
@@thesinofwrath092 LOL. Starkiller already reached his full potential when he was capable of defeating Darth Vader. Full potential Anakin would ultimately decimate Starkiller like a cockroach.
@@thesinofwrath092 starkiller was about as powerful as luke. Luke was not as strong as Anakin. Starkiller was as strong as Darth Vader because anakin got his arms and legs chopped off and his body burned. Palpatine built the suit he wears to cause him pain and make it difficult for him to fight because he was mad he lost. That's why he could beat Darth Vader. Anakin was the strongest force user to ever exist. Had he been properly trained or even been trained as a grey jedi he would have killed starkiller easily.
Imagine Anakin full potential in legends😳
He would cut a WHOLE planet in half with only a single swing of his lightsaber
@@D00DM00D are you memeing or is legends that bad?
So basically a more powerful version of Grandmaster Luke
@@jecal2855 what not memeing that would probably happen and how does that make legends bad? Luke can create black wholes in such legends is very good
@@jasonmarshall4522 I don’t know because Luke had mastered palpatines dark side techniques along with jedi and almost all the force techniques in the eu
Can't wait for the "What if Order 66 failed but anakin escapes prison" vid :D
Yeah, Darth Jar Jar is really a mysterious character
Anakin literally bent the physical embodiments of the dark and light side to his will.
Pff all star killer needs is the high ground
309 likes in 2 hours you guys are mad lads
Wow blaster shots fired
Wow obi ice cold ... lol
don’t try it
anakins can't jump high
All anakin needs is his fp then starkiller is destroyed!
Also obi wan you are evil you leaved anakin to burn and didn't try to save him
He forgot about star killer when Juno is in danger
Oh I would have definitely mopped the floor with him
You are a joke starkiller anakin would never do that and besides he is the CHOSEN ONE
@Davis Baumberger anakins emotions are stronger that thing you call juno is non canon piece of garbage
BTW I know who juno is but I don't like her and starkiller their love is nothing compared to anakin and padme so fuck'em
Red Bear bro you talk like a 5 year old who’s only seen the movies you have no reason to give your opinion if you don’t even know one of the two characters dueling 😂
My favorite part about Starkiller; the way he wields his lightsabers.
I absolutely LOVE that reverse grip
Most interesting thing is starkiller mastered multiple different fighting forms and made his own ability with the force and force lightning.
ayo
You need to say something nice about me now
AYO?? Reserve grip????
Technically Starkiller never reached his full potential since he was so young. I don’t even think he was as old as Anakin was in Revenge of the Sith. Anakin was 22 when he became Vader and Starkiller was like 20 or something when he died facing the Emperor. Starkiller at his full potential vs Anakin at his full potential would be interesting af, but considering Anakin was the Chosen One, and due to the fact that he was created by the force, I’ll give it to him
Starkiller don't have that skywalker potential so he would be gestured away by a full potential Anakin
ItsJonny you don’t know that. starkiller could’ve easily been gifted with a high midichlorian count. The force has been known to do that
@@glowhoo9226 high dosent describe Anakin Skywalker, full potential anakin throw demigods around. Starkiller if we go by Sheev Palpatine is equal to him, Anakins potential is twice that of Palpatines
ItsJonny Actually I heard Anakin’s potential was triple Palpatine’s... imagine all of the crazy force abilities Anakin would have
@@charliejs its 200% of Palpatines, keep in mind that in the old EU Vader had 80% of Palpatines power and he was one shot material to Sidious
Short Answer: Yes, Anakin was stronger.
At his full potential
Potentially
Its only potential. Who he was before he was Vader.....would've got beaten
@LukeB and star killer is non cannon so point is
@@CypherASMRist ROTS Ani if we take his placement into account smacks Galen like fodder...
Galen protecting juno and anakin protecting Padme are scary people
WHERE IS SHE?!
Except Anakin would not just be protecting Padme but his children too which would make Anakins morale even worse yeah.
I believe Starkiller (like Anakin) is easily capable of holding his own against the likes of Yoda and Mace Windu. I wouldn't say Starkiller can beat Yoda, I would just say he wouldn't go down without a tremendous fight.
I believe Anakin is the superior duelist, but Starkiller in his prime would be stronger than Anakin during ROTS unless of course Anakin got a rage boost. Anakin's potential is far greater though. At his full potential he is stronger than The Son and Daughter.
TLDR:
Full Potential Anakin > Prime Starkiller > ROTS Anakin
But you do know that Anakin in Revenge of the Sith is stronger than Yoda and equal to Palpatine right? imgur.com/a/mPlpU0X
Yoda was stronger than Palpatine in revenge of the sith its already confirmed anakin was more powerful than both but not properly trained
Even in ROTS Anakin was beginning to eclipse Palpatine's power, only reason he lost is overconfidence. Also, if you're saying star killer before death not at max potential even had a chance against yoda you're just plain wrong. It would not have been a "tremendous fight". It's written that starkiller feared yoda because he could feel that he was significantly more powerful than him.
Starkiller never reached his prime. He was about 17 years old and his potential was ovet the roof. Thats why Palpatine wanted to replace Vader with Galen, he believed Galen couldve reached a power level greater than Palpatine himself
@@flowr7068 nah, Palpatine thought he could become his equal, not that he would surpass him
At Star Wars Theory:
Of course Anakin's fighting style changed when he turned to the dark side.
Jedi: restraint
Sith: FIRE EVERYTHING NAO
He would still be using form 5, but much MUCH more brutally. And, we do kind if see that.
He also had to literally entirely change the way he used his Form V to compensate for the drwbacks the suit caused like not being able to lift his arms over his head
I'm sure you knew this, I'm more so just adding on info for the noobs
NEEEERRRRRDDDDDD!!!!!!!!
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@@goodgrief1163 Nerds are cool
He uses form 4!!!
I always figured Star Killer is what Anakin would have been in just a few years after ROTS had he not had his potential crippled
I like the contrast between Anakin having unlimited potential but not being a hard worker and Obi having less potential but working insanely hard.
I was especting someone with their reputation... to be a little older
General Grievous, you’re shorter than I expected.
Master ChiFu careful Master chifu try not to upset him, we have videos to watch
General Grievous, you’re shorter than I expected.
General Shorter. You're a little grievous than I expected
“We don’t want to upset him.”
“His rage makes him stronger”
Force rage: am I a joke to you
Somehow I never thought about this, I am with Anakin all the way. Really glad your returning to your fantasy battles, thanks for the vid man :)
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I still don’t think Galen reached his pinnacle. As he was only 17 and him still having room to grow. He beat Vader squarely in 1 not in 2 as Vader lets him best him. If he is “dark side Luke.” He’d be able to temporarily hold his ground against Abeloth yeah not canon but Disney can go screw itself. I think Anakin,Luke, and Galen would be close to equal at their bests but plot would work it’s magic some time.
“Only to become a *fraction* of the man he was destined to become”
Thanks, SWT! It is refreshing to see a perspective on how a battle between two Force powered juggernauts like Anakin and Star Killer could have multiple outcomes. They're strengths do depend on circumstances that could be altered canonically or in legend so it makes perfect sense one would beat the other depending on those circumstances. Your approach made this a much more enjoyable video than a lot out there which try to be objective but simply draw the line saying only one or the other would win regardless. Nice job!
We didn’t even really see starkiller’s full potential 😭😂😂. he died before he seriously got overpowered.
As not even Anakin, Anakin had an almost unlimited power potential as he was the chosen one he would have the power of a cosmic entity as he all alone could control the son and the daughter both embodiments of the force itself, and Anakin would not be even at his 10% during Revange of the Sith, Full Potential Anakin are one of the most powerful beings in the whole Star Wars Universe
@@リヴィングトンカナタ HE CANT BEAT ABELOTH THO SHES ON A UNIVERSAL SCALE OF POWER, SHE WOULD MOP THE FUCKING FLOOR UP WITH ANAKIN AT HIS FULL "POTENTIAL"
Lol as he's bringing down star destroyers and shit. And killing legions of clones
@@リヴィングトンカナタ while he was the chosen one. He lost to Jedi after order 66 and before. He was powerful. But he wasn't God. And wasnt the most powerful.
As the chosen one Anakin was the son of the force itself, remembering that he didn't have any dad and that The Father was not the force, he just represented the balance in the force and that the ones only are beings that can use the force at ways never seen, Anakin at his full potential would be stronger than the father, in a point of view Anakin is a celestial being as he originated directly from the force, at his full potential he would be the best force user, not best Jedi nor Sith, the best FORCE user of all the SW history and Force users includes celestial beings like The Ones, remembering that full potential Anakin is an Anakin with all his force powers mastered and all his power unlocked, Anakin FP would be a God
Anakin in his prime and at full potential would definitely win.
Exactly
Not if SK would've had the high ground
@Star Killer darth vader couldn't but anakin will
Anakin in full prime could beat everyone and anyone
Did you say house PRIME
This Is Outrageous,It's Unfair!!
I gotta learn to go back in time and not turn to the Darkside
Turn to the dark side but kill Obi Wan please. I’d love to see how that turns out
“Anakin was being held back by his ma.....
“Raiiinnneeerrr beeerrrr”
Same thing happened to me except some “medicine” with 800 side effects.
Whelp, I'm early, let's see, *insert prequel meme here*
That should get me a lot of likes!
We will watch your carreer with great interest.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
From the words of the Emperor: “Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us” (obviously before he lost to Obi Wan)
Exactly like palp was so mad that vader lost bc of his arrogance to prove a point like maul did to obi showing whose superior ,but palp was right he even said it again to Maul when he begged for Mercy in the clone wars which Maul could never be a true Sith bc a real sith doesn’t hold back or show mercy they are swift like sidious force speed.
I really didn’t like how starkiller was so powerful felt like it defeated the purpose of darth Vader being this overpowerful being
well anakin became weaker when he became darth vader
@@kylewilliams5454 yes he lost alot of potential but he was still far more powerful then any other jedi and was suppose to be at about 80% of palpatine full strengh, someone who could wipe the floor with jedi masters,
@One Shot! One Kill! yes I don’t believe starkiller should of been anywhere near the level of anakin even in his weaker state as he was suppose to be far more powerful than the average Jedi/sith just feels like he is stronger due to plot armour, woulda preferred a more realistic approach to power like the did with cal in fallen order
I imagine that’s one of the reasons why it became de-canonised
The twin slayers, full potential Anakin would be far more powerful than legends luke even considering how op luke is in legends. Star Wars theory says in this video, star killer is a dark side version of Luke, though I think Luke should be far more powerful than starkiller, luke’s full potential would resemble starkillers full potential more than Anakin Skywalker’s as the difference in power is just too big between Anakin and Luke
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Anakin had more potential for power than Starkiller, it's just that the severity of his injuries cut off much of that potential. Starkiller wasn't any more powerful than Anakin, and there were many other Force-sensitives that were just as powerful as Galen, so I'm not entirely sure why he's singled out as being OP when there are plenty more examples of powerful Force users. Sidious himself easily surpassed Galen in power.
Look, I get it. It's a video game, and a lot of that seeming OP-ness comes from the wish-fulfillment fantasy that many games cater to. However, that doesn't mean Galen is OP in the grand scheme of things, there are still many more examples of Force users that are more powerful than Starkiller in the EU, and guess what? It didn't break the universe then, and it still doesn't now. Unlike _certain_ choices taken in the Disquels (we all know what I'm talking about). And at the very least, Starkiller earned much of his prowess through Vader's undoubtly rigorous training.
Short answer: Revan is more powerful than both
I agree with this
@Star Killer how was that bs?
Lol he just said true anakin at his full potential was like double sidious power. Sidiuous defeated starkiller. Starkiller even struglled a little bit angaist vader so what he is saying is true
Look, I understand that you guys want your favorite character to be the most powerful, but Anakin has been said to be the most powerful had he never been injured, and it's been that way for a long time now. He was literally created by the Force itself! There's more to a character than being the strongest anyway, most of my favorites aren't the strongest.
I would love to see starkiller in the canon of star wars
He can be Canon as long as he isn’t a overpowered tank
Well, technically, when The Force Unleashed 1 & 2 were made, it was made directly under the supervision of LucasArts and they were quoted as saying that at the very least the first game IS canon. They even go so far as to have Leia take Galen Merrick's family crest at the end of the first game and proclaim it to be the symbol for the Rebellion. I'm not sure if the second game is considered canonical or not, but the way it was written, with the conclusion being so widely open-ended at the very beginning of the Rebellion fighting back, it could be argued that it too was canon, and that perhaps Galen Merrick still out there somewhere even during the time of the horrific Disney sequels.
They can’t in woke wars
pffft Disney would make him EXTREMELY weak like Luke
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We need The Force Unleashed 3!
How? He is death
Darrel's Wonderland yeah it’s annoying they left the 2nd one with a cliffhanger
Allan Quemé His clone is still alive though I don’t think it’s canon
No, 2 shouldn't have existed. Starkillers sacrifice and rebel alliance being created should've been the canon, no clone, no cliffhanger.
yes we do.
This is like comparing Red Robin's burgers to frozen white castle sliders.
Lol
"Was Anakin More Powerful Than Starkiller?" I like to think so
Well it's funny because Anakin is older than starkiller and starkiller was close to him in power. I do believe starkiller is a little bit weaker in power but we haven't seen him in his prime yet
He's defeated a more powerful Anakin(that being Vader) twice
When you’re so early there are no views.
Same my dude
hell yeah
Same
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9 seconds daaaaaamn. Also, I'm certain he would win if he wasn't in his Vader suit.
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Star Killer If anakin never lost to obi won he would 100% destroy star killer. He was the chosen one for a reason
stingray yeah but he was in the suit, so his point still stands
Firstly vader is much more powerful than anakin theyre barely even relative secondly if starkiller faced vader at his height of power (Return of the jedi) he would have instantaneously been washed away
I never really considered the similarities between Maul's loss to Obi Wan and Anakin's loss to Obi Wan. He tried using obi wan's move against him.
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Another thing don’t forget how angry starkiller gets when Juno is in dangers and unleashes everything
I would think seeing how he was holding Palpatine's lightning with his hands, something that Luke couldn't do, I imagine he is stronger than Anakin was in Revenge of the Sith. But we never saw Anakin at his absolute maximum so no telling how powerful he really could get. Jedi definitely held him back seeing how he trained for over a decade, while Luke trained for a short while and was able to somewhat hold his own with Vader. Jedi likely held him back out of fear, since he really does have more potential than Yoda and they never wanted to train Anakin in the first place. If they didn't hold him back, he'd probably be a living god.
Starkiller was 17 and defeated vader and had Palpatine on the ropes as a child who didn't reach his full potential anakin was 23 in revenge of the sith Starkiller at max potential would be a force to be reckoned with
I don't think they held him back as much as they didn't trust him. Anakin was training with Obi-Wan with no limitations so the only way he thought he was held back in was the rank of master which didn't make him weaker just didn't allow him to look at the old texts to find a way to save his wife.
Short answer: yes
Long answer: Starkiller is a child with plot armor.
So is Anakin.
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Anakin’s is justified by prophecy.
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He had the potential to surpass VADER, not full power Anakin. Vader got his limbs chopped off and is only alive due to becoming Grievous on steroids.
@@goroakechi6126 no he meant sidious said that galen had the potential to surpass himself i think he said something along the line of "You could have been my equal my successor"
Its really about the format in which the character and story is carried, compare the clone wars to the movies, the feats are very different, characters in clone wars are much more agile than they are in the movies, and don't even get me started on the 2003 clone wars show, where everyone is super op and can solo armies, Yoda was doing all that stuff star killer is shown doing like pulling massive ships from out of the sky, if you place Starkiller in the movies his feats immedietely become way less grandiose which is why its silly to compare movie Anakin to video game Starkiller, instead we need to compare them in the same format, then it becomes more likely that Anakin could beat him without being fully powered.
At the same age, no. At max, yes. Starkiller was trained as a weapon and only as a weapon, he did nothing but trained in the art of kill-you for his entire life, so until anakin taps into the power of bullshit he cannot beat starkiller in combat. Starkiller is the unironic embodiment of the quote "while you devoted your time in other shit, I studied the blade/force"
anakin was literally created by the force so you're wrong
@@Skullchuka yet starkiller at 17 beat Vader so...
@@BaconPants Vader is nothing compared to what Anakin could've been, and that's saying something
@@dilospino yet starkiller beat him when we was no where near his prime, THAT'S saying something. And that's cap we have no way to know how much stronger Anakin could've been if he was injured so throwing such a bold statement like that legitimately adds nothing to the conversation.
@@BaconPants Nope, but we know Starkiller's prime, the Emperor himself said that Galen could grow up to be his equal. Sidious was one of the top 3 strongest Sith ever, and don't get me wrong, that is no small claim. However, we know how much stronger Anakin could've been, and that is, at least, Legends Luke. And since Legends Luke was declared the most powerful jedi by George himself, well, that ends the discussion.
But, to add more context, Vader was said to have 80% of Sidious's power, so, you know, it would be "normal" for him to be defeated by a Force user with the potential to harness 100% of Sidious's power.
And then, we have Sidious's own statement to master Yoda in Ep III, "Lord Vader will become more powerful than either of us", so, based on the percentages i explained earlier, and knowing that uninjured Anakin could have AT LEAST 101%+ of Sidious's power, then the contest is settled.
Besides we never got to see Anakin in his full dark side prime, so the possibilities are literally almost endless.
Just remember that starkiller was only 17 when he defeated vader and died to sidious. Both of them would be scary at full potential.
Star killer literally instantly obliterated a whole stormtrooper squadron like effortlessly with the force, I’d give it to him
@WhiteLichMage your completely biased and upset galen mareks midocholorian count is over 100,000
"We've never seen Ani at his true potential"
EA: you were saying?
Battlefront 2 Anakin was godlike
In Legends, Anakin should win, as he was stated to be the strongest Jedi ever, and on par with Sidious in the novels, and guess who killed Starkiller 🗿
@Star Killer never killed Palpatine
@Star Killer and that Vader wasn't close to his Prime at all, that was before episode 4, Vader got in his Prime in episode 6
@Sub 2 Me 4 No Reason based off what? Starkiller being able to beat a non prime Vader?
@Joseph Revan too busy having an identity crisis to fight anyone right now
Johan revan held his own against vitiate, the immortal sith emperor and 4 of the most powerful Jedi and sith all at once and you mean to tell me that mfn puny ass Anakin is gonna beat his ass. Bs
Holy Mother of Anakin I'm early.
Would that be Holy Shmi Skywalker?
rey skywalker is still the best
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T. B. Phillips Rey isn’t a skywalker...
T. B. Phillips she’s a palpatine
I’d argue so
The Vader that Galen took, whole incredibly powerful, still hadn’t entirely recovered from Mustafar
We see a clone of Galen (whom was arguably more powerful) struggle much more with a further along Vader, to the point where he has to rely upon Vader’s weakness to lightning in order to finish the intense battle
Starkiller was too OP in my opinion, it was ridiculous...I’m glad that character isn’t canon...if they want to give Vader a secret apprentice then it should be realistic, make him powerful but not so powerful that it makes little sense for his age or who he is...young adults shouldn’t be able to pull Star Destroyers from the sky or rag doll someone as powerful as Vader through multiple walls...I think it would make sense if a Skywalker like young Luke or Ben Solo could do something crazy like that in their youth but some random kid Vader found and trained...no.
you can have Starkiller exactly as he was character wise and all but just tone his ability back a bit to say Similar in power to Ashoka Anakin's other apprentice it makes sense if they would be similar in power,skill and potential seeing as they were trained and pretty much raised by the same person just at a different stage in his life.
Michael Kean, Yeah I think Starkiller is fine as a character it’s just his abilities that are way too much...I mean the game makes it seem like he’s more powerful than The Chosen One...the things he does in the game make Anakin and everyone else look weak in comparison, especially because he’s so young to be powerful enough to do those things...the force is like a muscle that grows over time the more you train it, that’s why the older force users are almost always more powerful when it comes to raw power in the force.
That's only for game mechanics. In the novels and comics it's explained that the star destroyer was already falling and Starkiller merely repelled it with great difficulty. In one of the clone wars comics a jedi also held up a star destroyer for several minutes or seconds so it's not uncommon but just really hard. And Star killer beating Vader can be chalked up to the fact that Starkiller trained with him for who knows how long and began to get accustomed to his fighting style so he could counter it. Plus, Vader is weak to force lightning. Star killer was also the child of two jedi so his force potential was higher but he died as soon as Sidious gets serious.
I truly pray they include Starkiller in future shows, his character is one of the best and most interesting
Sarkiller is no sense for me. He would ruin the saga
Anakin Vs Starkiller: Who would win?
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Disney should make “Force Unleashed” Cannon again.
FazBroGaming 777 I’m really upset, they went with that new game fallen order when unleashed was sooooooo much better. Then again I’m a sucker for og Star Wars games, Jedi academy/knight etc
@@Sam_ZX10R_ I get your standpoint. The older games were pretty arcade where you could just pull off whatever you wanted to do and it’d look insane versus the new game looked super realistic and played like it too. It’s a lot like what happened to sports game where you play like a really good athlete would play in their respective sport but you can’t do anything you want to all the time
@@Sam_ZX10R_ fallen order was an amazing game
@@fl4wless332 Fallen Order is amazing - I'm playing through it right now and I'm hooked
Loved fallen order. Can't wait for the sequel.
Anakin's dark side fighting style, had he not lost his limbs limbs and burned, would have been rage and chaos. Yes it could be overwhelming like a tornado or a hurricane but then again it would depend on where you were standing when the tornado or hurricane arrives. Anakin would have gotten by using overwhelming brute force until he came up against someone who was strong in the Force, strong in Lightsaber fighting, and fighting smart (hmm, kind of like Obi Wan did at Mustafar). Just remember, a "diminished" Vader trained Starkiller.
i'd say they were on par with each other (anakin without the suit though)
starkiller is honestly my fav star wars character
Too bad he only exist in Legends
He's my least favorite next to Obi-wan tbh
@@AnakinSkywalker-mm3gi hello there
My favorite sith is emperor Vitiate and Darth Malgus
Agreed
Force Repulse was my favorite Starkiller force power.
Anakin skywalker is like prime Mike Tyson, if he's potential was fulfilled he would have been the greatest ever
I recall that Hayden said Anakin as Darth Vader in his fighting style is much more brutal, much more faster, much more aggressive .
I hope one day we will see Anakin's full potentian in some sort of video as alternate reality.
so according to this video, Anakin was a grey Jedi. In the line between light and dark. Tbh that actually makes a lot of sense.
"Anakin has a way with using his emotions. They definitely get the best of him."
Oh, you mean like with Clovis?
Would be an interesting theory as to what would Annakin Skywalker do if he encountered Starkiller if he had remained a Jedi and not turned to the dark side.
How would each other regard one another?
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Now Anakin toying with starkiller about Juno is a different story. Just like Anakin and Padme, Starkiller and Juno is something also
Who else is sad that Starkiller isn't CANON anymore? 😢 😔
There is no Canon or Legends. Only STAR WARS.
Yep.
@@panos617 this is the way
@@axlWofes This is The Way. I have spoken.
Not at all, overpowered characters ruin things. Superman's invulnerability made him boring the introduction of weakness to magic greatly improved his character. Starkiller toned down would be cool but pulling a star destroyer out of the sky was too much. I didn't even like the Star destroyer being in the atmosphere unless it maintained movement to dock somewhere staying stationary seemed weird to me unless it's actually in space!
It’s interesting because Starkiller was only 17, and he was already ver powerful. Imagine how powerful he could’ve been once he got older.
Starkiller kidnaps Padme, Anakin Kidnaps Juno
*Planet Gets Destroyed*
Star killer is one of the few legends characters I probably wouldn’t want canonized. Unless they nerfed him some.
Star Killer lol I’m not Disney
@Star Killer yeah man that's tough
@Star Killer Anakin is more powerful than Rey and Kylo tho lmaoo even John Boyega stated that. it was the power from the Jedi in the final battle that helped her
to be frank i'd make him nearly as powerful as PostROTS/Rebels Ashoka if i was to bring him back into Canon.
because Ashoka was older she'd have the experience edge hence forth the head-start of the power advantage.
Dude really? In cannon we have Darth Nihilus, Darth Revan even Mace Windu haha, makes no sense your idea to nerf Galen Marek (Starkiller)
One thing I’ll say about this is power scaling.
The force unleashed games were a different representation of what one could do with the force. If we take it at face value then Starkiller is the strongest force user in the universe.
While he is definitely strong, I wouldn’t say hes as strong as an anomaly in the force like Anakin. I wouldn’t put his powers above yoda or the emperor either.
The feats he pulls off in the games make everyone in the movies (the true canon) look like inept children even yoda and Palpatine. If I had to rank him and power scale him to what the force can do in the movies versus a video game I’d say he’s somewhere on par with Mace Windu
Uhm no the strongest would still be Anakin. When tapping into some of his potential he made both the Son and Daughter into his bitches and a single one of these beings would make the whole jedi or with order combined look like insects. They are embodiments of the force and therefore they could just use the jedi or sith as a battery not that they'd need to
@@bjermen he was being fueled by Mortis that's hardly a feat you can give him because he only was able to because of his chosen one status and spooky force planet thing.
Lich-Chan Mortis is a glimpse of Anakin at his true Force potential and he was knockin around the embodiments of the Force in their most pure forms with no trouble. That’s def a feat you can give to him considering it gives us an inkling of how powerful his raw force powers would have been if not for his severe injuries. Peak Anakin is unmatched by pretty much anyone aside from the Mother
Oprah’s Bank Account do we know how strong the Father was in his prime?
@@bjermen But what about Anakin vs. Ichigo?
Anakin when Padme is in danger vs full potential starkiller
What comparison is this? Starkiller destroyed Vader who is much more powerful than Anakin, defeated the Emperor who is also much more powerful than Anakin, while Anakin would never stand a chance against Sidious in the Empire Age. Starkiller is a video game character, so of course it has to be OP, and more powerful than Anakin
When did Starkiller beat the Emperor?
And he only defeated Vader through bullshit circumstances. Vader defeats Starkiller any day when the dude isn't being aided by plot armor from being a videogame protagonist.
StarKiller is suppose to be luke at his full potential thats why he could overthrow old palpy so essential Anakin would’ve been twice that of the power the emperor therefore at his full potential if it wasn’t for his arrogance trying to prove a point that he could kill obi with his own move is purest form of arrogance.
You need to brush up on your lore, Vader in the suit was nowhere near as powerful as Anakin before the obi wan fight. Vader himself says this repeatedly, as does the emperor.
@@LARGO125 This is obvious, Vader has lost much of his connection to the force in Mustafar, but after that he became much more powerful through experience and the dark side. He did not explore his maximum birth potential, but he became more powerful than Anakin from EP 3.
*Vader did not get weaker after Mustafar.* Vader is more powerful than Anakin in ROTS. Vader also has the same potential that he always did; he just never achieved it due to his mental state and insufficient training to reach such a godly level.
That is a myth that needs to die. George Lucas may have said it, but it has been contradicted enough that the very idea is rendered false. Darth Maul was bisected and returned more powerful than ever. And despite Vader's dismemberment, his feats in the Disney canon comics and novels are nothing short of awesome. He is not lame and pathetic like Legends Vader is.
Although, since it's Starkiller that's being discussed, I guess the Vader here is his Legends incarnation. But I still seek to disprove that bullshit potential myth.
In Star Wars the clone wars with the son and the daughter, when he was asked to keep them in check basically, it shows he could bend both light and dark.
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Not once did you talk about how star killer uses his emotions to fight as well and when he does he's Unstoppable you also didn't mention about when he's fighting for Juno he is unstoppable. In the first Force Unleashed game if you remember Starkiller kills either Darth Vader or Palpatine. It's because George Lucas said there is no one going to be stronger or have more potential than Starkiller
No, in the comics starkiller senses Yoda and determines that Yoda was much powerful than him. He was scared of yoda
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On this I agree
@@Abhinav-ss3th well yea. Yoda and Windu could beat Starkiller and Anakin both lmao
I think the Force is alive, and has a plan for the Star Wars universe. About once a generation, the Force makes an extremely powerful Force user in order for them serve a role in some mystical grand plan. Then they are discarded once they have served their purpose. Revan, Yoda, Anakin, Luke, Starkiller, etc. All examples of this. Starkiller is just another super powerful force user in a long line of super powerful force users. To me, there is no such thing as "full potential" Anakin. The Force would never allow it, and that's not the story the Force wrote for Anakin. He was always meant to be a crippled Vader.
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Daaaamn, that was some good explanation
@@preacher8417 - I believe... if there are any unexpected changes in the Force's plan (like Luke exiling himself to a hidden island for 20 years), then the Force *will* auto-correct the universe. The Force shall manipulate events, change things around, and even create another super powerful Force user to make up for the unexpected changes. That's why it created Rey. Luke was supposed to do more, but Luke rebelled against the will of the Force. Rey was created by the Force to fill in the gap Luke created, and get the Force's "mysterious plan" back on track.
If Anakin *somehow* avoided getting crippled on Mustafar, then the Force would just keep trying to manipulate events to push Anakin into becoming a crippled Darth Vader. The Force would make Anakin's life so "violently chaotic" in order to cripple Anakin. Like... Maybe one day Anakin's ship "mysteriously crashes", and explodes into flames. Maybe an unexpected assassin explodes a bomb and burns Anakin. The Force would make sure Anakin would never know enough peace to ever train, and reach his "full potential". The only way Anakin could survive without getting crippled would be exiling himself on some island (like Luke did), cutting himself off from the Force, and avoiding all contact with the outside world.
If that happens, then the Force would just create another super powerful force user, and use them as a pawn for its plan for the Star Wars universe. And the cycle repeats.
I always want to see a clone of Anakin fully trained with none of the emotional baggage, just pure darkness.
Personally I've always longed to see Anakin in his prime cut loose and destroy shit. Your idea might be better.
If you think about it’s the “force” unleashed. Not the Starkiller unleashed. Think about it. Kota destroys a GIANT hanger room. Vader and Kento throw Tie’s at one another. So he’s not special.
Edit from 2 years later: IDK what the f*ck I was taking about that is the dumbest sh!t I’ve ever said in my life. But besides me saying he isn’t special in which after replaying the game a few times, it jogged my memory and I remembered how badass Galen is and also how great of a character he is. It’s still true that the characters has op Force powers. As I mentioned Vader, Kento and Rahm Kota’s feats. But Galen is on a whole other level, I mean the Star Destroyer feat alone is awesome let alone everything else. So yeah, I honestly think Anakin could maybe try to win but Galen is way more in control of his already crazy powers. So yeah this could go either way but in a duel, Anakin just barely wins extreme difficulty and in Force Powers, Galen just barely wins again extreme difficulty.
Starkiller redirected a crashing star destroyer.
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I did not finish the game
Mandolorian oh sorry
The_SCP _Foundation yeah. But still. The other are OP in the game too. But Galen is STRoNG!!!!!!!!
I've always thought this. Wish Starkiller was canon again
Star killer had such potential for movies I feel like a movie based on him would be amazing
We need more starkiller in fan fiction! I’d love to see what you’d come up with in one of your animation projects if you included him somehow!
Grandmaster Luke is what a full potential Anakin could’ve been so obviously Anakin at his full potential crushes Starkiller.
even grandmaster luke would be less powerfull than full potential anakin
@@the4given196 Actually no. George Lucas has stated himself that legends Luke is the MOST POWERFUL force user ever
Anakin got dat adrenaline when he fought Dooku
Got to lean towards Starkiller for the sole reason that the game was literally called “The Force Unleashed” because of what they wanted the character of Starkiller to be. They made Starkiller for the sole purpose of saying “okay what if we made this character who was just insanely powerful in the force and how they would go about using it for the purpose of good/evil.” I still think they have the perfect chance to make Starkiller in canon as an inquisitor and keep his personality intact, but obviously tone down his abilities to be in line with the story
Totally agree in that one
You say, anakin is like Hulk and gets stronger and stronger with his emotions, what about Starkiller and Juno tho?