It's a misconception that vulcans have or claim to have no emotion. If you actually watch any of the shows, you'll figure out that Vulcans just suppress their emotions in favor of logic.
@IdleBigots and the romulans, on the other hand, went the complete other route, ending most of them up as paranoid, Machiavellian, bipolar jackasses. At least, the ones that lead and represent them. Looking at you, Mendak.
HAWKINS: _May I ask you a question? How is it possible that this crew could turn so violent, when Vulcans aren't supposed to have emotions._ T'POL: _A common misconception. We have emotions. We simply keep them suppressed, under control. Something has obviously caused them to lose that control._ -- ENT S03E05
Tim was great but Voyager was way too uneven of a show. I think after DS9 my taste for adventure-of-the-week type shows faded. I wanted very long story arcs and the Dominion War in DS9 allowed for strong continuity of plot lines.
Tim Russ was excellent, vulkans are always great additions to the show. There should be multiple vulkans in the each of the shows, they are founding members of starfleet, and logic would dictate that one race(humans) should not carry the burden of fighting alone.(and yes I am cognizant of over use of vulkans, and the budgeting and time constraints of a show) but would it have not been so wizard to see a vulkan temper and sparr with Capt. Sisko????
"Your displeasure doesn't change our situation, nor does it bring us any closer to a solution." One of Tuvoks best lines there. I often use that myself :D
I think Neelix's comic relief dynamic was a smokescreen. He was, in fact, a pretty dark character, but the darkness came from his circumstances and his inadequacy to them. I think that's why the character is in fact so hated. Neelix is the fear of mediocrity. The easiest form of denial is to externalize that insecurity.
Except that it's not true. It would be great if in real life you could reason your kids' emotional outbursts away, but the fact is they aren't physiologically capable of being reasonable.
A Vulcan walking along comes face to face with Jason Vorhees in an isolated corridor. He would logically acknowledge the unpleasantness of the situation, calmly accept that he may not survive the encounter and then tackle the challenge ahead.
"He would logically acknowledge the unpleasantness of the situation(Exactly I.e. any fear response, but without letting the fear and other negative emotions take control.), calmly accept that he may not survive the encounter and then tackle the challenge ahead" I aspire to be like this. Sometimes I am able to fully keep my emotions under control and other times I fail to do so. I still have a lot of room for improvement.
@@dannytourigny9403 That's a nice but weird crossover. How about a not-so-weird one? What if a Vulcan met a Predator? Or even better, what if a Klingon met a Predator?
I appreciate this little speech - however, I do not think Fear is an illogical response. Panic and paranoia, yes, but fear serves a very useful purpose necessary for survival.
For us yes, it keeps our brazenness and aggressiveness in check and prevents us from taking unnecessary risks. But Vulcans already have that under control, they can respond to danger better by approaching it as a problem to be solved rather than letting their fear put them into a fight or flight response.
fear is not required for survival. also, aussie harry, he corrected them a couple times in this clip, its not that the have no emotions, but that they control them.
Voileen Yes, that is correct. Fear has very much a place in human existence. I remember in an episode of TNG, Worf told someone who was speaking to him at the time, "Only fools have no fear." And he is absolutely right. But in saying that, what object of that fear is and how one responds to it is the issue. A lot of times we have fear over much of nothing at all, ends up being misdirected.
Poop proof that Vulcans do have emotions. I didn't realize until this episode the paradox that Vulcans portray to others. On the one hand, they do admit at times that they have emotions and just suppress them, others they claim not to lie, then here he says he doesn't fee any fear. To be fair, Spock showed a fair share of emotion and humor, which can be attributed to his human half. But then, if pure Vulcans didn't have emotion, then what would the point of kolinahr?
he specifically corrected the children when they asserted what you just did. he emphasized that they CONTROL their emotions. at 1:21 he explains that the goal is to "detach yourself from your emotional responses and become closer to controlling them" the girl then asks "do you live your whole life without feeling anything" and he answers with "more accurately, we strive to control our feelings." its always been portrayed as this since the original series. Vulcans slip up occasionally and reveal their feelings.
The truly commendable thing is that Tuvok treats these children with respect. He does not belittle them or try to manipulate them, he takes them serious and engages them as he would any person. That's something many people should learn from in our society, that treats children more or less like pets.
I wish we got more flashbacks of Tuvok as he developed from his fiesty teenage years of angst and attachment through the events that made him join starfleet and his marriage and his children. I never appreciated Tuvok as a child when this was on TV, but as I'm older I find Tuvok to be a very fascinating and quite likable character.
This was one of two best episodes i still remember after all those years. Other was "Blink of the Eye". The revelation was stunning and deep. KUDOS to writer. And Tuvok as vulcan was perfect in this episode. And kids played it well.
This was such a depressing and scary episode...Anyone who watched it will understand...Being born as an average old person and dying & vanishing as an average child...Their aging process is reversed. Tressa (one of the girl children) was actually 96 when she died...Aww 😢😢
It was almost a paralell to Alzheimer's, which my mother had. Despite being 83 years old when she passed, her last few years she'd act like a child. Easily frustrated, quickly soothed by the most random thing. It's a terrible disease, and like Tressa, at points reality would flash her to the present, this episode really showed the lack of control anyone who suffers from this ailment has.
I really enjoyed this episode. It was sweet to see Tuvok use what he learned as a father to help these "children." I have always enjoyed the aspect of Tuvok being a father, and becoming a grandfather during the course of the series. And that exercise he showed the children could be used in real life too. It's nice to see an exercise a Vulcan child would be taught to also be plausible to real life Human children
Vulcans always feel. In fact, they feel more intensely than humans do. What they don't do is *display* and *act based on* emotion. A Vulcan will feel fear in a stressful situation but they won't "get scared", there's a difference.
Think I remember this episode, a species thats born old and ages in reverse, so these kids are like 100 years old or something, and close to death, all the "old" get abandoned on that planet to die.
Kind of interesting way of handling fears. I don't think cutting yourself from feelings is good. But imagery is effective even for humans in some situations. Also he is asking them to evaluate how likely something is. That's a good skill too.
"You're allowing yourselves to be guided by fear" That is a good thing. That is why fear exists. Fear exists, because we evolved to feel fear. Because it is advantageous. Being *_controlled_* by fear can be bad, and phobias and paranoia is certainly bad, but it is *good* to be _guided_ by fear.
Not for Vulcans. Vulcan emotions are far more extreme than human emotions. They can't give into their fear just enough to let it inform them without being completely controlled by it. Vulcan fear is too volatile to be useful. It nearly made their race go extinct before Surak taught them to suppress it.
@@AbandonedVoid He's not talking about, nor to, Vulcans. Hence your point is completely invalid …also, I don't think it's valid for Vulcans either: Even controlled and suppressed as they are, they still feel their feelings, and are therefore fully informed by them, thus making them able to be guided by them. However much they try not to, they can never become void of feelings …and it would be utterly foolish to be, anyway. Without feelings, one becomes a mere robot, without any motivation or reason to do anything. Doing ones best not to be controlled/ruled by ones emotions is (Vulcan or not) quite sensible, of course, but… Trying to be without feeling, is utterly illogical and foolish, in every way, shape, or form.
@@ZarlanTheGreen Emotions don't really inform you about anything, either, even as a human. I was trying to be charitable about refuting your point but you're just completely wrong. Emotions aren't rational. They don't tell us anything. They mostly obfuscate our capacity for reason. Reason does everything that fear can and better. There's a reason that fear was considered a form of passion by the ancient Stoics. It is reasonable to be cautious about potential threats but it is completely unreasonable to be guided by unreasonable emotion. You have somehow confused yourself so thoroughly that you call sagacity foolishness and foolishness a "good thing." You don't even know what "foolishness" means. Perhaps it's because you're quick to justify emotional reasoning that you're so irrational.
@@AbandonedVoid I notice that you utterly failed to even _address_ my arguments, much less even venture to _attempt_ to give any contrary argument/evidence. All you do, is to make baseless claims, and make a pathetic argument from authority. You refuse to engage in logic and reason, and just try to insist on your position anyway. In other words, one can only come to the conclusion that you are, in your response, being purely emotional, and utterly void of reason. (Also, your argument from authority is quite pathetic, with you only being able to point to someone from Ancient Greece, where they were very ignorant compared to today their philosophy was relatively primitive, compared to today, as well)
It is interesting, Vulcan say they do experience emotions. However as an Englishman (which Vulcans were based off of) the teachings of being stoic had made many grow up to effectively not feel any strong emotions. Indifferent to everything and no emotion Its strange to think Vulcans have more emotions
Vulcans are INTENSELY emotional; look up Picard's mind meld with Sarek for a great example. They built their entire culture around emotional control BECAUSE their emotions are incredibly powerful.
The last bit made me chuckle it seemed as he was making progress then he encountered the essence of all children... (well not vulcan ones of course) but it was funny
I was saying that vulcan children aren't born well behaved they have to be trained and it doesn't just take a few years so the point was he should have known they would listen to him at first.
I was playing around. I'm not certain how much they misbehave, although Vulcan children did bully Spock as a child, indicating they are like typical humanoid children. I did like watching him playing a parental role in this episode
Bella Donna you’re thinking from a very human standpoint. I as a fellow human of course completely see where you’re coming from but you’re being very closed minded. You think everyone has to feel and think like you. The Vulcan way has clearly worked on his planet for centuries. And with over 150 planets in the federation alone, I’m sure there would be a few where the Vulcan way would actually work AND be beneficial.
the twist ending of this ep took me by surprise . im binge watching voyager on netflix and only on season 2. so far its my fav star trek series . way better than tng , imo. voyager crew is better ; tuvok is badass. RELEASE THE FORCE FIELD!!!!
I was listening to this podcast, and they hypothesized that the aliens physical form was a representation of their mental form. (Which is why, despite hating technology, they didn’t hate the Doctor).
Logic requires facts or observations to function. Otherwise, you sit on your hands waiting. Guessing is flawed but often intuition is better than deriving truth.
Remember When Robo man is that one knock off show he's like hey man kids don't be ikky and he's a bit robotic and stuff that reminds me of this remember that guys pretty cool man
How come Vulcans, like Tuvok said, "strive to control their own feelings" when it seems like they don't strive at all? It's kinda natural for them especially when they're adults...I don't get it
They learn from a young age but we see them only as adults that is why its seems as you put it "natural". Vulcans strive to control emotions because of how powerfully they can effect them. Most seen by looking at those who fly under the raptors wings aka the romulans.
oooooor build a fire? animals are pyrophobic. even fish! and thats why our paleolithic ancestors always had a fire burning at the cave entrance. ingenuity>logic
Imagine that the color blue has a flavor. What does it taste like? NO stoic character, and certainly no Vulcan could possibly conceive of asking questions completely devoid of rational meaning, such as asking children what their feelings look like. The important lesson here is never employ only very creative artisan type writers for your science fiction series.
So, do Vulcan's also overcome the fear of the uncertainty of death itself? I mean, the only way usually for people to not fear death is by believing in some kind of after life. But concluding such a place exists is rather illogical, so if you'd follow these guidelines to a T then logically, death should terrify you.
They don't fear death because independently of what comes after it and how, fearing it wouldn't do anything about it and is thus ilogical to waste any time thinking about it.
The Vulcan essence, or Katra, is a tangible life after death. As that is so, they needn't fear death. They may simply move their Katra from body to body.
Hahahaha children that age would never listen to you like that. You have to manipulate them into doing things. They are more clever that you think, specially little girls. I just had one telling that she wants a party in her school because she will get more gifts that way. There is no logic involved.
"More accurately, we strive to control our feelings."
A rare moment of Vulcan honesty about their emotions.
See my comment above .
Agree or not .
It's a misconception that vulcans have or claim to have no emotion. If you actually watch any of the shows, you'll figure out that Vulcans just suppress their emotions in favor of logic.
@IdleBigots and the romulans, on the other hand, went the complete other route, ending most of them up as paranoid, Machiavellian, bipolar jackasses. At least, the ones that lead and represent them. Looking at you, Mendak.
HAWKINS: _May I ask you a question? How is it possible that this crew could turn so violent, when Vulcans aren't supposed to have emotions._
T'POL: _A common misconception. We have emotions. We simply keep them suppressed, under control. Something has obviously caused them to lose that control._
-- ENT S03E05
Despite having no emotion or controlling them, Volcan's seem to enjoy dry humor with how sarcastic they act.
Tim Russ did a great job in the role of Tuvok. I think Tuvok is under rated in a show that was under rated.
I think Tuvok is underrated in a show that was accurated :P
Underrated. Overrated. Etc.
Tim was great but Voyager was way too uneven of a show. I think after DS9 my taste for adventure-of-the-week type shows faded. I wanted very long story arcs and the Dominion War in DS9 allowed for strong continuity of plot lines.
Tuvok yes, Voyager no
Tim Russ was excellent, vulkans are always great additions to the show. There should be multiple vulkans in the each of the shows, they are founding members of starfleet, and logic would dictate that one race(humans) should not carry the burden of fighting alone.(and yes I am cognizant of over use of vulkans, and the budgeting and time constraints of a show) but would it have not been so wizard to see a vulkan temper and sparr with Capt. Sisko????
"I expect each of you to sit quietly and not touch any of the equipment."
Anyone who has ever dealt with children starts laughing evilly.
Tuvok had children of his own. Surely he would have known this wasn't going to work.
@@phil9947 I don't know... Vulcan children probably don't behave the same as other children do.
You do remember the payoff of this episode?
And then he contemplated if a phase set to stun would be lethal to small children.
"Your displeasure doesn't change our situation, nor does it bring us any closer to a solution."
One of Tuvoks best lines there. I often use that myself :D
LOL! Definitely good for one's "Small-talk" repertoire
So stoic... So Vulcan!
I just realized something. Although Neelix was considered comic relief it was Tuvok that had the funniest lines.
I think the Doctor was the comic relief. Not only this... He is also the funniest Star Trek character ever, in my opinion.
I think Neelix's comic relief dynamic was a smokescreen. He was, in fact, a pretty dark character, but the darkness came from his circumstances and his inadequacy to them. I think that's why the character is in fact so hated. Neelix is the fear of mediocrity. The easiest form of denial is to externalize that insecurity.
I like Tuvok because he can be hilarious without having to put the joke right out there..... the best comedian is one who can do dry humor
Tuvok was easily my favorite Vulcan and one of my favorite Trek characters
Mine too. Great casting choice.
He was the most irrational and ill-written for of all the Vulcan characters.
I think I like Tuvok, T'Pol and Spock the same (I'm counting Spock as a Vulcan, althgough he is a half-Vulcan).
@@atanvardo5730 Awesome Atanvardo.
@@LucisFerre1 Have you seen Nu-Trek Vulcans?
I fell off my chair at the end. I forgot about this episode. Voyager wasn't that bad really. Tuvok and The Doctor were great characters.
Harry and Kim episodes were great too, Janeway wasn't bad. Neelix was uhh
Tuvok was great but he wasn’t always “not emotional”.
Not that bad ??? Voyager is my favorite!
Neelix had his moments too, especially when he was confronting his own mortality and the meaning of family.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tuvok's face at the end........
hahaha, "I believe you CAN help it." best parenting line ever.
Except that it's not true. It would be great if in real life you could reason your kids' emotional outbursts away, but the fact is they aren't physiologically capable of being reasonable.
@@WalterLiddy You still try to teach them, however.
@@WalterLiddy
We require both.
A balance between "emotion" and "reason".
A Vulcan walking along comes face to face with Jason Vorhees in an isolated corridor. He would logically acknowledge the unpleasantness of the situation, calmly accept that he may not survive the encounter and then tackle the challenge ahead.
"He would logically acknowledge the unpleasantness of the situation(Exactly I.e. any fear response, but without letting the fear and other negative emotions take control.), calmly accept that he may not survive the encounter and then tackle the challenge ahead"
I aspire to be like this. Sometimes I am able to fully keep my emotions under control and other times I fail to do so. I still have a lot of room for improvement.
A Vulcan would kick Jason's ass!! Simple as.
@@jwrobin21 Correct, a Vulcan would "out-think" Jason...
@@jrag1000
Vulcans are extremely strong and very well trained fighters. Methings it would be Jason who would consider it wiser to retreat, pronto.
@@dannytourigny9403 That's a nice but weird crossover. How about a not-so-weird one? What if a Vulcan met a Predator? Or even better, what if a Klingon met a Predator?
I appreciate this little speech - however, I do not think Fear is an illogical response. Panic and paranoia, yes, but fear serves a very useful purpose necessary for survival.
For us yes, it keeps our brazenness and aggressiveness in check and prevents us from taking unnecessary risks. But Vulcans already have that under control, they can respond to danger better by approaching it as a problem to be solved rather than letting their fear put them into a fight or flight response.
Life without emotions and illogical behaviour is dull, boring and cold. I fear death because I enjoy life.
fear is not required for survival.
also, aussie harry, he corrected them a couple times in this clip, its not that the have no emotions, but that they control them.
Jonsin 1459
So if a group of knuckleheaded punks with the worst intentions surprise and surround you, you're going to give an "evolved" response?
Voileen
Yes, that is correct. Fear has very much a place in human existence. I remember in an episode of TNG, Worf told someone who was speaking to him at the time, "Only fools have no fear." And he is absolutely right. But in saying that, what object of that fear is and how one responds to it is the issue. A lot of times we have fear over much of nothing at all, ends up being misdirected.
After 2:06 the look on Tuvok's face is too hilarious
Poop proof that Vulcans do have emotions. I didn't realize until this episode the paradox that Vulcans portray to others. On the one hand, they do admit at times that they have emotions and just suppress them, others they claim not to lie, then here he says he doesn't fee any fear.
To be fair, Spock showed a fair share of emotion and humor, which can be attributed to his human half. But then, if pure Vulcans didn't have emotion, then what would the point of kolinahr?
he specifically corrected the children when they asserted what you just did. he emphasized that they CONTROL their emotions. at 1:21 he explains that the goal is to "detach yourself from your emotional responses and become closer to controlling them" the girl then asks "do you live your whole life without feeling anything" and he answers with "more accurately, we strive to control our feelings."
its always been portrayed as this since the original series. Vulcans slip up occasionally and reveal their feelings.
Kids will be kids.
Seems no matter the race, all adults have a "Damnit, kids!" emotional button that can be pushed.
Damn, 2020 needs some vulcan logic
Too late
2020 needs Vulcan scientific rigor
Our politicians and spiritual leaders, etc. could use some Vulcan logic.
The last part tho 😂😂😂
The fear was keeping them in line up until that point :P
I love this scene because I use Tuvok's technique to subdue my feeling if I get too emotional about something. It centers me again.
*A vulcan approaches all things with logic*
"Children, please, stand in a tight group for one moment."
*Sets phaser to wide beam*
HAHAHAHA! Wow. Well there's one way to deal with children. :P
@@Seetiyan It's better than dosing them with Schnapps!
Which is effective!
The truly commendable thing is that Tuvok treats these children with respect. He does not belittle them or try to manipulate them, he takes them serious and engages them as he would any person. That's something many people should learn from in our society, that treats children more or less like pets.
I love the way writers tend to put Tuvok into these check putting situations about the Vulcan ways at times.
I wish we got more flashbacks of Tuvok as he developed from his fiesty teenage years of angst and attachment through the events that made him join starfleet and his marriage and his children.
I never appreciated Tuvok as a child when this was on TV, but as I'm older I find Tuvok to be a very fascinating and quite likable character.
"We Vulcans practice of philosophy called the Virgin emotions versus the Chad logic. "
This was one of two best episodes i still remember after all those years. Other was "Blink of the Eye". The revelation was stunning and deep. KUDOS to writer. And Tuvok as vulcan was perfect in this episode. And kids played it well.
Tuvok child psychology, handling it like a boss....
I really liked this episode. Tim Russ was great as Tuvok!
This was such a depressing and scary episode...Anyone who watched it will understand...Being born as an average old person and dying & vanishing as an average child...Their aging process is reversed. Tressa (one of the girl children) was actually 96 when she died...Aww 😢😢
It was almost a paralell to Alzheimer's, which my mother had. Despite being 83 years old when she passed, her last few years she'd act like a child. Easily frustrated, quickly soothed by the most random thing. It's a terrible disease, and like Tressa, at points reality would flash her to the present, this episode really showed the lack of control anyone who suffers from this ailment has.
So awesome but I wish you'd let it continue to where Tuvok raises his finger at them!
I really enjoyed this episode. It was sweet to see Tuvok use what he learned as a father to help these "children."
I have always enjoyed the aspect of Tuvok being a father, and becoming a grandfather during the course of the series.
And that exercise he showed the children could be used in real life too. It's nice to see an exercise a Vulcan child would be taught to also be plausible to real life Human children
one of the best tuvok centered episodes.
Once you realize Tuvok's family situation, this was ... good, but heavy espisode, even if built on stretched premise.
This is just like Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). Specifically, the practice of defusion.
absolutely perfect timing for the ending
Meditation advice imagine it is a cloud , and imagine wind blowing it away
Those children managed to destroy Tuvok's emotional control in the end. His expression is clearly like "wtf..."
Vulcans always feel. In fact, they feel more intensely than humans do. What they don't do is *display* and *act based on* emotion. A Vulcan will feel fear in a stressful situation but they won't "get scared", there's a difference.
I remember seeing a blooper where Tubok's actor led the children into a cave. He takes one look inside and said 'I ain't going in there' and ran away.
I remember when Star Trek didn't suck. More like this please.
The guy in the green shirt is played by Tahj Mowry who would later voice Wade on Kim Possible.
This is how he became the principal at Ridgeway High
This episode is the one closest to my heart.
Think I remember this episode, a species thats born old and ages in reverse, so these kids are like 100 years old or something, and close to death, all the "old" get abandoned on that planet to die.
I loved this episode.
Kind of interesting way of handling fears. I don't think cutting yourself from feelings is good. But imagery is effective even for humans in some situations. Also he is asking them to evaluate how likely something is. That's a good skill too.
Wish it could help me with My Anxiety but sadly you can't really outwit it,...*Sigh* Man,I'd to see a Vulcan with OCD! : ( : P
@@hglorianne Yeah, well handling common anxieties or fears is much different than dealing with OCD/anxiety disorders.
"The Morock took them" sounds a heck of a lot like "The Morlock took them" from the 2002 movie The Time Machine... hmmm...
The fact that this is the same guy from Spaceballs where they were combing the desert
The little girl in the purple shirt is the voice of Hannah in Toy Story
I want a Tuvok meditation app now.
Damn. I seriously need to try this.
The Jedi and sith could learn a thing or two from him
... I AIN'T GOIN IN THERE! -Tuvok
The fact thier species aged backwards was wow
Like Benjamin Button.
"You're allowing yourselves to be guided by fear"
That is a good thing. That is why fear exists. Fear exists, because we evolved to feel fear. Because it is advantageous. Being *_controlled_* by fear can be bad, and phobias and paranoia is certainly bad, but it is *good* to be _guided_ by fear.
Not for Vulcans. Vulcan emotions are far more extreme than human emotions. They can't give into their fear just enough to let it inform them without being completely controlled by it. Vulcan fear is too volatile to be useful. It nearly made their race go extinct before Surak taught them to suppress it.
@@AbandonedVoid He's not talking about, nor to, Vulcans. Hence your point is completely invalid …also, I don't think it's valid for Vulcans either:
Even controlled and suppressed as they are, they still feel their feelings, and are therefore fully informed by them, thus making them able to be guided by them.
However much they try not to, they can never become void of feelings …and it would be utterly foolish to be, anyway. Without feelings, one becomes a mere robot, without any motivation or reason to do anything. Doing ones best not to be controlled/ruled by ones emotions is (Vulcan or not) quite sensible, of course, but…
Trying to be without feeling, is utterly illogical and foolish, in every way, shape, or form.
@@ZarlanTheGreen Emotions don't really inform you about anything, either, even as a human. I was trying to be charitable about refuting your point but you're just completely wrong. Emotions aren't rational. They don't tell us anything. They mostly obfuscate our capacity for reason.
Reason does everything that fear can and better. There's a reason that fear was considered a form of passion by the ancient Stoics. It is reasonable to be cautious about potential threats but it is completely unreasonable to be guided by unreasonable emotion.
You have somehow confused yourself so thoroughly that you call sagacity foolishness and foolishness a "good thing." You don't even know what "foolishness" means. Perhaps it's because you're quick to justify emotional reasoning that you're so irrational.
@@AbandonedVoid I notice that you utterly failed to even _address_ my arguments, much less even venture to _attempt_ to give any contrary argument/evidence. All you do, is to make baseless claims, and make a pathetic argument from authority.
You refuse to engage in logic and reason, and just try to insist on your position anyway. In other words, one can only come to the conclusion that you are, in your response, being purely emotional, and utterly void of reason.
(Also, your argument from authority is quite pathetic, with you only being able to point to someone from Ancient Greece, where they were very ignorant compared to today their philosophy was relatively primitive, compared to today, as well)
this is awesome
It is interesting, Vulcan say they do experience emotions. However as an Englishman (which Vulcans were based off of) the teachings of being stoic had made many grow up to effectively not feel any strong emotions. Indifferent to everything and no emotion
Its strange to think Vulcans have more emotions
Vulcans were based of the English?
Vulcans are INTENSELY emotional; look up Picard's mind meld with Sarek for a great example.
They built their entire culture around emotional control BECAUSE their emotions are incredibly powerful.
He forgot to teach them about controlling funness.
What.
That was hillarious
The last bit made me chuckle it seemed as he was making progress then he encountered the essence of all children... (well not vulcan ones of course) but it was funny
Smart guy.
Lmao not me imagining my professor being blown away by wind
Tahj Mowry!!!😍
Tj from the tv show smart guy
I love Voyager
Hard to believe he has children of his own.
Bella Donna his children are proper, well behaved Vulcans. They don't fuck around with dangerous equipment
I was saying that vulcan children aren't born well behaved they have to be trained and it doesn't just take a few years so the point was he should have known they would listen to him at first.
I was playing around. I'm not certain how much they misbehave, although Vulcan children did bully Spock as a child, indicating they are like typical humanoid children. I did like watching him playing a parental role in this episode
Bella Donna you’re thinking from a very human standpoint. I as a fellow human of course completely see where you’re coming from but you’re being very closed minded. You think everyone has to feel and think like you. The Vulcan way has clearly worked on his planet for centuries. And with over 150 planets in the federation alone, I’m sure there would be a few where the Vulcan way would actually work AND be beneficial.
the twist ending of this ep took me by surprise . im binge watching voyager on netflix and only on season 2. so far its my fav star trek series . way better than tng , imo. voyager crew is better ; tuvok is badass. RELEASE THE FORCE FIELD!!!!
2:00 Betrayed
Aaannnddd that's why you GOTTA love kids, Aaannnddd why you gotta love Vulcans in one short clip🙂
Vulcans may not feel happy or fear or sadness, but sure as heck looks like they can feel exasperated...
2:05 - "We promise."
2 seconds later, playing with the equipment. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 UPN/Warner Bros./WB flagship son. Bad litule kidz son.
my kids would touch everything in site
Tuvok the babysitter haha
They sure act like children to be aging in reverse.
I was listening to this podcast, and they hypothesized that the aliens physical form was a representation of their mental form. (Which is why, despite hating technology, they didn’t hate the Doctor).
Tuvok does cognitive behavioral therapy.
Is the little boy Teddy from Full House?
Yeah he was. And the main character in Smart Guy and the voice of Wade in Kim Possible!
Sen -soars.
Logic requires facts or observations to function. Otherwise, you sit on your hands waiting. Guessing is flawed but often intuition is better than deriving truth.
Lol Tuvok:ASMR
Remember When Robo man is that one knock off show he's like hey man kids don't be ikky and he's a bit robotic and stuff that reminds me of this remember that guys pretty cool man
Oakey Dokey
fear is the mind killer
Kids Will Be Kids. (smile)
which episode is it ?
what episode is this from?
Vulcan death grip in 5...4...3...
So Tuvok's advice is just Zen meditation?
Emotions Are Human .
Though Fear should Not be part of it .
We were Not Given The spirit of fear by GOD !
Relinquish Fear .
Rest in the good news 🌹 🌚 👍 okay bye
logic is sometimes illogical.
Ah Stoicism..
How come Vulcans, like Tuvok said, "strive to control their own feelings" when it seems like they don't strive at all? It's kinda natural for them especially when they're adults...I don't get it
They learn from a young age but we see them only as adults that is why its seems as you put it "natural".
Vulcans strive to control emotions because of how powerfully they can effect them. Most seen by looking at those who fly under the raptors wings aka the romulans.
Note must leave the kids with Tuvok
A monster's existence in Star Trek is unlikely? I thought that Vulcans preferred to tell the truth.
Oh sure we can take care of kids, we will just explain to the- 2:06
it's not terribly logical to expect 3 kids to sit quietly for an extended period of time lol
NLP Vulcan style
What season and episode is this.
lolol whatt thank you.
2x22 - Innocence
Wish all kids were vulcan kids... Spoken as a non vulcan father
oooooor build a fire? animals are pyrophobic. even fish! and thats why our paleolithic ancestors always had a fire burning at the cave entrance. ingenuity>logic
Oh tuvok, you're a dad, you should know better
It's too bad his Starfleet uniform didn't come with a belt to help him "dispense" logic! LOL! 😆 On a different note; shades of Galileo 7?
Imagine that the color blue has a flavor. What does it taste like?
NO stoic character, and certainly no Vulcan could possibly conceive of asking questions completely devoid of rational meaning, such as asking children what their feelings look like. The important lesson here is never employ only very creative artisan type writers for your science fiction series.
Yeah: creativity is for LOSERS!
A Klingon would provide a better lecture than this.
So, do Vulcan's also overcome the fear of the uncertainty of death itself?
I mean, the only way usually for people to not fear death is by believing in some kind of after life. But concluding such a place exists is rather illogical, so if you'd follow these guidelines to a T then logically, death should terrify you.
Broockle Exactly. And so it should. Google SENS research foundation and transhumanism.
Broockle Not true in the slightest, I know plenty of people who believe in nothing and yet they don't fear death.
fearing that wich is inevitable and natural at the same time is illogical
They don't fear death because independently of what comes after it and how, fearing it wouldn't do anything about it and is thus ilogical to waste any time thinking about it.
The Vulcan essence, or Katra, is a tangible life after death. As that is so, they needn't fear death. They may simply move their Katra from body to body.
Hahahaha children that age would never listen to you like that. You have to manipulate them into doing things. They are more clever that you think, specially little girls. I just had one telling that she wants a party in her school because she will get more gifts that way. There is no logic involved.