Star Trek DS9 - Episode 218 - Elim Garak and Quark Discuss Fashion

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  • A scene from episode 218 - "Profit and Loss". Elim Garak and Quark discuss fashion with a lot of subtext to the conversation. This is one of the many fun scenes that DS9 had with Garak, and why the show had lasting appeal.

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  • @DarthCipient
    @DarthCipient 8 років тому +1479

    Fucking hell. Only DS9 could use a dress to debate the Cardassian dissident movement.

    • @ChrisTian-ed8ol
      @ChrisTian-ed8ol 3 роки тому +92

      They put a story into everything in this series. A lot of people say that Gene Roddenberry would've hated DS9, but I think he'd love how "deep" and important the writers made every conversation.
      Something most TV series writers are missing today, in my opinion.

    • @fredthanimal
      @fredthanimal 3 роки тому +11

      Good writing

    • @loginbrags7016
      @loginbrags7016 3 роки тому +4

      @Hurgus Burgus nothing you’d see today

    • @1zhehan
      @1zhehan 2 роки тому +4

      @@ChrisTian-ed8ol Gene Rodenberry was a horny creep. The ridiculous TOS uniforms and the omnipresent horniness in TOS and the early TNG episodes are because of him. No one should care of what Rodenberry would think.

    • @ChrisTian-ed8ol
      @ChrisTian-ed8ol 2 роки тому +9

      @@1zhehan so what your saying is that he was human?
      Wait, are you one of those people who only focus on the wrongs people do, while ignoring and destroying the good they've done? If so shut up, and stop throwing away your life.
      If you only focus on the darkness in this world you'll live a very sad and estranged life, only hurting others along the way. You can do better and be better.

  • @JMUDoc
    @JMUDoc 3 роки тому +301

    "Mister Garak is a bit of a mystery to us..."
    Six seasons later, and NOTHING had changed.

    • @barrybend7189
      @barrybend7189 Рік тому +8

      Star Trek Online. Nope no change.

    • @haddy106
      @haddy106 Рік тому +11

      ​@@barrybend7189all that I've learned about him is his first name

    • @hibbidyjibbidyy
      @hibbidyjibbidyy 6 місяців тому +2

      mewhile the person they hat the most, is selling drinks, supported his prither as the grand nagus, and likes his nephew is goign to be a starfleet officer

    • @Jehutyv4
      @Jehutyv4 Місяць тому +2

      Honestly I love that the writers kept him the same throughout the series.

  • @WavemasterAshi
    @WavemasterAshi 8 років тому +2825

    Quark remembers the 59th Rule of Acquisition - Free advice is seldom cheap.

    • @Terrekain
      @Terrekain 6 років тому +234

      The other element to this scene is that Quark is actually trying to bribe Garak in exchange for his silence regarding those Cardassian radicals. It's one thing I hadn't realized until I rewatched this scene years later; I thought Quark was honestly looking for a dress to curry favor with the female Cardassian - and that was true but he had ulterior motives. The layers of background that was written into DS9 was immaculate.

    • @Terrekain
      @Terrekain 6 років тому +209

      And ofc, the other part I hadn't noticed: Garak rejects Quark's bribe by ripping the dress and driving his point straight home. This is scene is genius.

    • @mardus_ee
      @mardus_ee 6 років тому +12

      Terry Kain | Oh, I never even knew.

    • @medexamtoolscom
      @medexamtoolscom 6 років тому +36

      Except that free advice from Garak is probably very valuable so it would be worth it.

    • @ILikeMyPrivacytbt
      @ILikeMyPrivacytbt 6 років тому +4

      I was just about to say that.

  • @Cerberus1441
    @Cerberus1441 8 років тому +3330

    Garak: a good example of someone with a 20 Charisma.

    • @MrOarson
      @MrOarson 8 років тому +61

      The character reminds me a lot of Jarlaxle.

    • @davidlape470
      @davidlape470 7 років тому +54

      Raptor CalloftheShadows He was my favorite character. Always knew he was more than a simple tailor.

    • @marsneedstowels
      @marsneedstowels 7 років тому +144

      Cardassians and Ferengi. When high diplomacy and deception meets high diplomacy and appraise.

    • @gerardmontgomery280
      @gerardmontgomery280 6 років тому +56

      The Bard Rogue have a conservation about fasion. Meanwhile the confused barbarian considers buying some clothes.

    • @randallbanks1589
      @randallbanks1589 6 років тому +6

      With a negative handicap.

  • @Paltheos
    @Paltheos 7 років тому +2367

    The dialogue's good, but I think what really sells this scene is Andrew Robinson's typically brilliant performance as Garak. The man wears the character like a glove.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 6 років тому +139

      He was in character as Garak the same way as Garak was in character as a tailor.

    • @Krystalmyth
      @Krystalmyth 5 років тому +73

      Both these men are among two of the best in the franchise.

    • @RequiemPoete
      @RequiemPoete 5 років тому +71

      @@HappyBeezerStudios: you know... I have to wonder if Garak actually WANTED to be a tailor at some point in his past. He's actually good enough to do it professionally, and that takes skill. His dad was a diplomat which is why he got involved in the spy game, but I wonder if he tailored as a hobby, or even took steps to pursue it professionally and had it shot down by his father.

    • @Lorgar64
      @Lorgar64 5 років тому +32

      @@RequiemPoete His dad was head of the obsidian order... not even the central command dared challenge him.

    • @Vesnicie
      @Vesnicie 5 років тому +21

      But is it a fashionable glove?

  • @headrockbeats
    @headrockbeats 3 роки тому +1537

    I love that Garak isn't actually _threatening_ Quark, he's _warning_ Quark of what could happen - in the hope that he'll be ready when it comes. Then later on he actually _saves_ Quark.

    • @nexusdrop7863
      @nexusdrop7863 2 роки тому +79

      I need to rewatch the series to see if Garak was actually helpful all the time. Like you said: I think he was warning Quark.

    • @Rabijeel
      @Rabijeel 2 роки тому +46

      ....well, most people are unable to differ between intimidation and a threat - they think they are the same, but they are not.
      But, let's not loose ourselfs in this meaningless nitpicking. Rather tell me Honey: Do you like my Dress?

    • @shahidulkhan9566
      @shahidulkhan9566 2 роки тому +56

      It was always interesting how garak was able to adjust the way he gave a warning to the person he spoke to. In this scene he approached quark like a businessman.

    • @biocapsule7311
      @biocapsule7311 2 роки тому +49

      A phrase from another fiction *"Never use idle threats when intimidating someone, use rational outcomes."*

    • @tobyhorn9641
      @tobyhorn9641 2 роки тому +1

      And says I told you so

  • @piotrd.4850
    @piotrd.4850 6 років тому +612

    Dialogues between Quark and Garak were infrequent, but pure gold pressed latinium in writing and delivery!

    • @jackgibsxxx0750
      @jackgibsxxx0750 3 роки тому +31

      Worth every bar.

    • @Noobsaibot21
      @Noobsaibot21 3 роки тому +27

      Yeah, I'd have loved more interaction between the two. Taking nothing away from the rest of the cast but pretty much any combo of Garak, Odo or Quark was outstanding television.

    • @One.Zero.One101
      @One.Zero.One101 11 місяців тому +1

      I’ve forgotten how brilliant ds9’s dialogue was. I always knew it was top notch, but after 7 years of not seeing it, I’m so surprised. It’s also sad how the quality of dialogue has declined today.

  • @printezstroman
    @printezstroman 3 роки тому +170

    I love how Quark can double speak with the best double speaker in the business until he got emotional at least. Makes sense given that Quark is in league with criminal types.

    • @JR-zi9vj
      @JR-zi9vj Рік тому +4

      Latinum tongues

    • @simplegarak
      @simplegarak 9 місяців тому +2

      We really needed an episode with Garak and Quark on a heist or some kind of criminal endeavor.

  • @jherrenor
    @jherrenor 6 років тому +178

    When you have to make that Charisma roll but you're unsure whether to use Diplomacy or Intimidate so you end up using both.

    • @bpwatkins
      @bpwatkins 3 роки тому +12

      This is exactly correct...

    • @blackheart2728
      @blackheart2728 3 роки тому +32

      Garak's Diplomacy, Bluff, and Intimidate mods are all equal so much so that the GM never knows which he's actually rolling.

    • @The_Custos
      @The_Custos 2 роки тому +5

      It would be a tragedy if she got in the way when her friends went out of fashion.
      It's encouraging him to make a sense motive via an intimidate.

    • @iFeelGlee
      @iFeelGlee 2 роки тому +10

      player : "i want to use diplomidate!"
      dm : "what?"
      player : "I SAID DIPLOMIDATE!"

    • @satorudo
      @satorudo Рік тому +3

      Garak rolling natural 20's. The dice 'might' be loaded but you can't prove it

  • @DrForrester87
    @DrForrester87 4 роки тому +231

    The fact that Quark knew exactly what Garak was saying from the start. It's all over his face. And Garak just playing with him like a cat with a mouse. These two and Dukat are the reason I love DS9 so much

    • @tatianalyulkin410
      @tatianalyulkin410 Рік тому +5

      I always loved Major Kira. After the 2014 coup I understand why.

    • @X-Prime123
      @X-Prime123 Рік тому +6

      Don't forget Weyoun.

    • @DrForrester87
      @DrForrester87 Рік тому +1

      @@X-Prime123 aren't they all him in disguise?

    • @isaackellogg3493
      @isaackellogg3493 Рік тому +3

      @@tatianalyulkin410*coup
      Don’t you mean “spontaneous uprising by freedom loving forces”?

    • @isaackellogg3493
      @isaackellogg3493 Рік тому +3

      We have to safeguard democracy, after all 😏🤫🙄

  • @GooglyEyedJoe
    @GooglyEyedJoe 9 років тому +723

    This is a greatly thought out speech for Garak "Personally I find this style a bit too...radical. But your friend seems the sort who appreciates that kind of thing." It's very subtle but very informative that's why I love Garak.

    • @WinstonfieldQPP
      @WinstonfieldQPP  8 років тому +221

      Good catch. Another subtle but heavy with subtext bit is when Garak says, "I've been in this business a long time and I know there's nothing worse than following the wrong trend." He's speaking from some pretty bitter personal experience with his fallout with Inabran Tain and the Obsidian Order.

    • @jordancunningham4962
      @jordancunningham4962 3 роки тому +57

      I like how Quark was holding is own for a while there. I like it when ferengi are savvy instead if foolish.

    • @aqwannos
      @aqwannos 2 роки тому +32

      @@jordancunningham4962 He only seems to loose track when the full implications are made manifest, and his emotions take hold.

    • @rascallyrabbit717
      @rascallyrabbit717 2 роки тому +3

      @@jordancunningham4962 you don't negotiate a lease for the only bar on a space station by being stupid

  • @Argumemnon
    @Argumemnon 3 роки тому +108

    "Oh, you'd be surprised how detrimental a poor choice of fashion can be."
    Gods, I love that show.

  • @levonschaftin3676
    @levonschaftin3676 3 роки тому +12

    I've watched this episode probably 6 times now but have never noticed Garak's wink at 2:44 ~

  • @Shadowkey392
    @Shadowkey392 6 років тому +174

    I love Garak's ability to threaten without threatening.

    • @InfernosReaper
      @InfernosReaper 4 роки тому +24

      More of a friend bit of advice to let them know that they're in over their head and should rethink things.

    • @xyhmo
      @xyhmo 3 роки тому +20

      It's a warning, not a threat. He's not personally going to do anything.

    • @rosegonella3098
      @rosegonella3098 2 роки тому +7

      @@xyhmo He is, after all, only a simple tailor.

    • @gethrojenkins9619
      @gethrojenkins9619 2 роки тому +5

      @@rosegonella3098 lol, there's nothing simple about THAT tailor ;)

    • @Justforvisit
      @Justforvisit Рік тому +2

      @@gethrojenkins9619 Ever tried to sew yourself? There's nothing simple about that too :P

  • @r0ckt3hc4sb4h
    @r0ckt3hc4sb4h 9 років тому +574

    Some of the smartest dialogue in all of Star Trek.

    • @dragonsword7370
      @dragonsword7370 6 років тому +23

      r0ckt3hc4sb4h the nuanced subtext was very strong in that one scene! Definitely deserved an award or some other shiny accolade.

    • @saalkz.a.9715
      @saalkz.a.9715 5 років тому +17

      Have You seen the conversation of these two about "Root beer"? On a side note IMO, Elim Garak was(is) one of the best (if not the best) characters in DS9.

    • @granudisimo
      @granudisimo 5 років тому +3

      And all of television for that matter.

    • @saalkz.a.9715
      @saalkz.a.9715 5 років тому +4

      @Mastodon1976 We can agree on that one. But I would give an honourable place to Jeffrey Combs for all the (amazing) charakters he've played in the ST franchise (Weyun, Brunt FCA, Shran). 🖖

    • @vahi37
      @vahi37 5 років тому +6

      @@saalkz.a.9715 I loved Shran. One of the best t

  • @Agent_Eli
    @Agent_Eli 3 роки тому +71

    As a writer, I’m constantly in awe of how much of DS9’s best writing is a master class in subtext.

  • @benkenobi615
    @benkenobi615 3 роки тому +11

    "Now that you mention it.. ." I love Garak. 😁

  • @jonsweeney4347
    @jonsweeney4347 4 роки тому +47

    "Oh hohoho...how delightful! The intricate plots, the subtle innuendo, the veiled threats, it's all so....entertaining!"

  • @Chuck-PK
    @Chuck-PK 7 років тому +288

    Seriously sometimes the 'between the lines mob talk' in DS9 really rivals the likes of The Sopranos and even Goodfellas.

    • @samsonguy10k
      @samsonguy10k 2 роки тому +5

      Sopranos wished their writing was as good as many episodes DS9 had with Garak. And Sopranos never stood a chance of being as good as Goodfellas. I wish Gandolfini didn't restrict himself so much to that series. He was fantastic in Last Castle.

  • @Whatatwist2009
    @Whatatwist2009 6 років тому +183

    "What are you going to do ,short change them at the dabo table?" And with that line Garak deflates Quarks false bravado to the point i think you see his lobes shrink up.

    • @davidkelly4210
      @davidkelly4210 5 років тому +8

      IDK, he could have been considering who he could buy to deal with any OO goons that showed up. We're talking about a barkeep that's had a major, front lines part in 3 (2 if the this was before the Dominion) wars. Quark is like that harmless old shopkeep whos actually a accomplished and never caught mob enforcer with friends in the FBI and CIA.

    • @samsonguy10k
      @samsonguy10k 2 роки тому +2

      @@davidkelly4210 If Sisko still has hair, it's well before the Dominion War.

    • @Babidi111
      @Babidi111 2 роки тому +3

      - he is buds with a ferrengi eliminator, and his cousin is an extremely successfful arms dealer. If he was truly crossed, he could probably even get a favor from the Grand Nagus.

    • @Whatatwist2009
      @Whatatwist2009 2 роки тому

      @@Babidi111 While all true anything they could do would be laughably inadequacy to counter the Obsidian Order which would be the ones to do a hit on a Cardassian dissident.

    • @Babidi111
      @Babidi111 2 роки тому

      @@Whatatwist2009 True. Those order guys are hardcore, but still, i just can't bring myself to not bet on Quark.

  • @DarkNova50
    @DarkNova50 5 років тому +73

    You know the saddest thing about this scene? You look at what happened to Cardassia during the whole Dominion War...and you realize that Garak was completely right. Can't imagine the Founders would have tolerated any dissenting opinions.

    • @brenster21
      @brenster21 3 роки тому +18

      It gets a bit sadder when you really think about it. As the cardassians went from being ruled by the central command (Military control), until the new people's government was able to take control due to the Obsidian order getting massacred, and then they were invaded by the klingons for about a year. and right as things are looking better, a certain Gul betrays the new government and allies himself with the dominion, who proceeds to kill the former government.

    • @ScottyDont1945
      @ScottyDont1945 Рік тому +3

      ​@@brenster21 cardassia learned very little from the occupation of bajor, damar knew it, that cardassia was dead before the dominion ever took over.

  • @SaturnDreamingofMercury
    @SaturnDreamingofMercury 8 років тому +378

    "What are you going to do, shortchange them at the dabo table?" lol

    • @fumarc4501
      @fumarc4501 6 років тому +17

      Dane Parker Ouch, cuts deep.

    • @MacClay8
      @MacClay8 6 років тому +60

      The best part is that Garak wasn't even trying to insult him. He was merely reminding Quark that he isn't suited to make threats against the people involved.

    • @Yawehplaneswalker616
      @Yawehplaneswalker616 6 років тому +46

      For a guy who prefers lies to truth, he's a master of brutal honesty.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 6 років тому +26

      Quark could offer a similar answer as he did in "The House of Quark" (S3E03):
      "If that happens, I'll stand up, look them straight in the eye…and offer them a bribe"

    • @Brookhouse3041
      @Brookhouse3041 5 років тому +4

      So savage♨😂😂

  • @ElNick09
    @ElNick09 4 роки тому +36

    Garak so often gives the people around him a clearer, better understanding of dangerous situations than their closest friends. Its not advice exactly, more like an unvarnished laying out of their options with the potential consequences. He does it without expectation of thanks too. Which is good, since almost no one ever thanks him.

  • @JimmySteller
    @JimmySteller 3 роки тому +31

    One of the biggest reasons why Garak is the best Star Trek character of all time was how he brought out the best in every other character with whom he interacted. Bashir, Odo, Kira, Worf, O’Brien, Sisko, Quark, he challenged them all in ways that no other character did, which gave us new insight into all their personalities, and led to some of their best episodes.

  • @WinstonfieldQPP
    @WinstonfieldQPP  9 років тому +125

    Yup - it's full of delightful subtext. :) "It may be all the rage now, but in a very short time it can become tiresome - an affront to the eyes... Certain people might even find it objectionable. And then (RIP)... Nothing but rags."

    • @Nortorock
      @Nortorock 9 років тому +23

      +Nathan Fisk DS9 was a far better social and character study than any of the other series.

    • @dkupke
      @dkupke 7 років тому +5

      Nudge nudge, wink wink, hint hint, y'know what I mean?

    • @klyanadkmorr
      @klyanadkmorr 7 років тому +21

      God I love this interaction BECAUSE THEY KNOW EXACTLY HOW EACH OTHER COMMUNICATE. That nefarious black ops business and politics are siblings with the same language.

    • @klyanadkmorr
      @klyanadkmorr 7 років тому +5

      ITA and so called intelligent scfi trekkies who call it boring unrelatable or ignor it as purist Roddenberry fans, I have no time for. Hell even as a more purist Star Wars original trilogy fan, tho I don't really enjoy watching them respects and understands the positives of the Prequels and tell people they need to see them atleast once or twice top understand the 'Universe/Lore'.

    • @Lorgar64
      @Lorgar64 7 років тому +9

      I'm a conservative and I never had a problem with it. And I appreciated the brutal realism it sometimes delivered. For example, how Kira may have bravely fought tooth and nail against the ruthless invaders for years, but she was a small annoyance. Meanwhile they'd go out, exterminating Bajorans in their droves with no resistance. Reminds me of a quote, I think it's from Star Trek, can't quite remember. "The day 'so-and-so' gave the order to exterminate your village, the day that completely changed the course of your life, for him it was a tuesday."

  • @spitfiregirl110
    @spitfiregirl110 7 років тому +38

    Garak is the epitome of "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" ...love him and Cardassians in general!

  • @Frankie2012channel
    @Frankie2012channel 5 років тому +23

    Two of the best actors on television at the time. I loved Garak and Quark. Both were FASCINATING and deep characters. They had so many secrets. But in complete Shakespearean fashion, they spoke one thing, but their true alternate meaning was always crystal clear. It was always a joy to see them on the screen.

  • @letsgoBrandon204
    @letsgoBrandon204 7 років тому +122

    Quark trying to intimidate Garak of all people?! XD

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire 7 років тому +29

      Love makes you crazy brave.

    • @90lancaster
      @90lancaster 6 років тому +9

      Quark isn't really that well understood - I think Nog had some idea of what he was really like - and some of his lady friends & Jadzia - but most of the rest of the station was quite clueless - perhaps eventually Odo got the gist - but it took him more than a decade of knowing him to get it.
      Sisko or Worf were pretty clueless - if they did anything for him it was more out of pity than friendship.
      It would be interesting to know how much of Quark's true Character Garek was aware of - it could have been all of it - or he could have simply not tale a lot of interest - but I think Garak at least is more than bright enough to see there is more to him.
      I like that They made Bashir what he was - as it actually helped the reasons for Garek to take an interest in him to come across as more intellectual curiosity and not that he just thought Bashir was a hot twink.

    • @KingOfElectricNinjas
      @KingOfElectricNinjas 6 років тому +11

      Quark and Garak don't often interact, maybe a little representative of Ferengi and Cardassians not exactly seeing eye to eye, but they're both intelligent, perceptive, social and make a point of keeping track of where the wind is blowing.

    • @RequiemPoete
      @RequiemPoete 4 роки тому +3

      @@hibbidyjibbidyy I know he gives the reason as being a 'people person' for not going into weapons, but I really think it's more that he didn't want to peddle death

    • @stevesmythe8556
      @stevesmythe8556 4 роки тому +2

      He was one of the bravest on DS9, fought above his weight more times than anyone else. Even stayed on DS9 when he should have left.

  • @owenmyhra8723
    @owenmyhra8723 4 роки тому +14

    The subtle innuendo, the veiled threats, its all so entertaining

    • @smc1942
      @smc1942 Рік тому

      Not a threat so much as a warning to Quark he was in over his head, and needed to be careful. There were powers at work who wouldn't think twice about eliminating a bartender in order to get the ones they wanted.

  • @ShauKenshin
    @ShauKenshin 4 роки тому +12

    Not gonna LIE... these were my two FAVORITE Characters of the whole show. Their banter was so well written and their acting chops delivered fantastically......

  • @KyleJonesDrJones
    @KyleJonesDrJones 6 років тому +22

    Honestly two of the best (or at least most interesting) characters in Star Trek and a very well-written and acted scene.

    • @sarahkinsey5434
      @sarahkinsey5434 6 років тому +3

      Andy Robinson, and frankly most of the regular cast and writers deserve some serious credit and awards for their fantastic performances and writing!

  • @nuca5104
    @nuca5104 2 роки тому +2

    This conversation is GENIUS, it stretches on for SOOOOO long and yet the superficial veil and the subtext BOTH manage to be perfectly coherent in meaning throughout! 10/10 for whoever wrote it!

  • @Aethgeir
    @Aethgeir 3 роки тому +19

    Quark is very good, when it comes to the intricacies of speechcraft, well above average for his people.
    But Garak... is in an entirely different league!

  • @Mister-Thirteen
    @Mister-Thirteen 6 років тому +64

    Quark: Deception roll 16
    Garak: Insight roll 17
    Quark: Appraise roll 20
    Quark: Depiction: 14
    Garak: Insight 18
    Garak: Diplomacy 20
    Quark: Intimation roll 1
    Winner: Garak
    The lesson kids? Don't assume just because your the face that you'll always best others in the art of intrigue & never forget a high Wisdom beats a High Charisma any day of the week.

    • @Mister-Thirteen
      @Mister-Thirteen 6 років тому +7

      Hakageryuu
      I typed it out on a flip phone man, give me a break.

    • @RIDDICK0911
      @RIDDICK0911 5 років тому +2

      @@Mister-Thirteen you were able to type "don't" which means you shouldn't have had any issues with typing "you're". Wisdom beats empty charisma yet again!

    • @vahi37
      @vahi37 5 років тому +1

      DABO!

  • @omniscientbeing4224
    @omniscientbeing4224 3 роки тому +11

    Garak is easily the best character on the show. I love how they use innuendo and implication rather than direct speak. very intelligent show.

  • @dm121984
    @dm121984 5 років тому +9

    Scenes with Garak and Quark are always amazing. DS9 had many amazing characters and even then, Quark and Garak stood out.

  • @AdamVikingen
    @AdamVikingen 3 роки тому +4

    This, people, are good writing!

  • @elbeejackson4124
    @elbeejackson4124 3 роки тому +7

    Andrew is a treasure. These characters resonate. DS9 was that deal.

  • @drdrumbeat3010
    @drdrumbeat3010 6 років тому +16

    Now this is a masterclass in small screen sci fi and how to do it right !!!!!!! ... so good

  • @plewis995
    @plewis995 6 років тому +11

    "short-change them at the Dabo table" is genius.

  • @anthragestormrider2493
    @anthragestormrider2493 3 роки тому +18

    It is astounding how an otherwise random scene from DS9 blows just about anything in the franchise today out of the water, when it comes to the writing and performances. I've seen this scene many times and it is still riveting. Amazing.

  • @2Scribble
    @2Scribble 8 років тому +197

    Only time I ever flinched just because someone tore a fricken dress :P Garak is creepy lol

    • @ghenulo
      @ghenulo 8 років тому +34

      The best character.

    • @darthroden
      @darthroden 6 років тому +12

      Well he was once a member of the Obsidian Order....not to mention a serial killer in San Fransisco at the start of his career, LOL!

    • @RequiemPoete
      @RequiemPoete 5 років тому +3

      You could almost hear the sound of meat slicing when the knife gets drawn across the throat when he tore it didn't ya?

    • @jinxiejae
      @jinxiejae 4 роки тому +3

      You know he can make it a good as new again.

    • @Daniel-rd6st
      @Daniel-rd6st 4 роки тому +9

      @@jinxiejae Yes because you know what the sad thing is? He is a really good tailor.

  • @rnhtube
    @rnhtube 3 роки тому +4

    I love how they have a conversation that's about something else.

  • @BennyT_3434
    @BennyT_3434 3 роки тому +8

    Love this scene, the writing is phenomenal, Quark going into Garak's shop thinking his shrewd negotiating experience put him on equal footing with Garak...and then quickly realizing he is way out of his league. DS9 is just so good at times!

  • @antongoykhman
    @antongoykhman 3 роки тому +4

    Garak is the epitome of being an intelligent gentleman.

  • @rufdymond
    @rufdymond 5 років тому +8

    There is so much going on in this dialogue...brilliant, I miss DS9

  • @WorldWalker128
    @WorldWalker128 Рік тому +1

    I love that there's two entirely separate conversations running at the same time and it's just two people talking. On the surface it's just a simple and near-friendly business conversation, but underneath it's anything but.
    And their acting, was superb.

  • @McLoven-vm1ck
    @McLoven-vm1ck 4 роки тому +12

    I'm 48, been watching Trek since I was old enough to remember. I always watched STO with my grandma in the living room and while every series had it charms (even Voyager 😆) I have to say that Deep Space 9 had the strongest cast and some of the best writing.
    I really enjoyed how the show fused the classic Star trek style and feel with the fixed location for the main set of Babylon 5.
    Sure, a ship allows you to travel to places that a station cannot but DS9 also berthed a number of capable federation sloops and even a cutting edge, interdictor with cloaking tech. DS9 had it all, I just wish the writers had had two seasons to tie everything off and come to a clean conclusion.
    They thought they were getting another season as the last season began and found out the show wasn't being renewed; they had to try and wrap it all up with that crazy final season, it's why it felt so wierd compared to the rest.

    • @smc1942
      @smc1942 Рік тому +1

      Agreed. That last season was so rushed.

  • @Yawehplaneswalker616
    @Yawehplaneswalker616 6 років тому +21

    So the dress was roughly $170 and he offered $200? That was probably one of the biggest jaw drops I had that season.

    • @RequiemPoete
      @RequiemPoete 5 років тому +5

      Yeah. I wish I had caught on it was a bribe. It took seeing someone here pointing it out.

    • @CRAZYHORSE19682003
      @CRAZYHORSE19682003 3 роки тому +3

      @@RequiemPoete It was NOT a bribe it was Quark doing a little fishing to see where Garak's feelings and intentions were toward the dissidents onboard. If Garak took the latinum and said nothing it would have been clear that his opinions mirrored those of the Obsidian order and Garak could have been a real threat to them and a possible assassin. By giving all that advice to Quark Garak is saying he does not agree with the Order and that Quarks friends are in danger and Quark should warn them.

    • @The_Custos
      @The_Custos 2 роки тому

      Hard to place, but seventeen bars is more like dropping thousands.

  • @Golfzilla70
    @Golfzilla70 3 роки тому +8

    DS9 --- the star trek series where humans took a back-seat to the aliens (and it was awesome to watch!)

  • @Dr.Westside
    @Dr.Westside 6 років тому +7

    The dynamic between the two characters was intense. I loved DS9.

  • @Krystalmyth
    @Krystalmyth 5 років тому +14

    "How uncharacteristically generous for a Ferengi."
    Star Trek has so much casual racism in it, it's found in even the most benign exchanges on the show.

    • @saintq3888
      @saintq3888 5 років тому +1

      How is that racist ? Did you even read about the Ferengi culture ?

    • @Krystalmyth
      @Krystalmyth 5 років тому +3

      @@saintq3888 If I said how uncharacteristically generous for a (insert race, species, anything) etc... I just love how in Star Trek the can drop bombs. Hell 'You're very perceptive, for a Cardassian' got dropped casually in this conversation. Lol Think you've just grown numb to it.

    • @Krystalmyth
      @Krystalmyth 5 років тому +1

      @@saintq3888 But I probably shouldn't expect a Caucasian to understand. 🤣

    • @saintq3888
      @saintq3888 5 років тому +2

      @@Krystalmyth Ha, by your own definition you are racist ! But still, you glided over my first question. Your example is null. Ferengi are greedy little humanoids, so when one is generous it's noteworthy !

    • @Skyebright1
      @Skyebright1 5 років тому

      SaintQ that’s a little speciest to generalise like that

  • @davidhonez8859
    @davidhonez8859 4 роки тому +2

    You can never have just a simple conversation with Garak.

    • @robertpatter5509
      @robertpatter5509 3 місяці тому

      He's not simple. Why expect simple conversation or behavior?

  • @theemperorschosen7607
    @theemperorschosen7607 4 роки тому +3

    "And what are you going to do? Short change them at the dabo table?"
    Garak pulling that 20 roll on intimidation

  • @kelechi321
    @kelechi321 6 років тому +13

    The freaking TENSION in this scene
    I mean the subtle tension
    while the narrative is focused on fashion the subtle and not so subtle writing makes it clear...damn I LOVED and LOVE this show.

  • @ingwiafraujaz3126
    @ingwiafraujaz3126 3 роки тому +2

    My two favorite actors of DS9 and possibly all of Star Trek.

  • @jt4369
    @jt4369 5 років тому +11

    Garak's keenly honed charismatic charm vs. Quark's uncharacteristic subtextual display. Garak + Quark = charm quark.

  • @Tayvin4042
    @Tayvin4042 2 роки тому +2

    This subtext in this conversation is like an addictive drug, oh my god!

  • @mveytia
    @mveytia 5 років тому +3

    These two just have the best scenes together.

  • @arivaldhagel2394
    @arivaldhagel2394 2 роки тому

    That why this will NEVER get old.
    Nothing spoken directly, mystery and game of words.
    Brilliant!

  • @jos.1839
    @jos.1839 4 роки тому +4

    Garak needs to be in Picard. Just a small cameo as the head of Cardassian OO. Pls just few well written sentences 😁 to spice things up and show new heroes that theyre not well prepared for the adventures of the universe 😂

    • @michaelgreenwood3413
      @michaelgreenwood3413 3 роки тому

      He's a member of the Detapa council in STO, and has his own specialized Intelligence ship, the CUV Tain.
      And he's still just a simple tailor at heart.

  • @JJMHigner
    @JJMHigner 5 років тому +1

    A favorite bit, of many DS9 scenes.

  • @MrGabilonia
    @MrGabilonia 3 роки тому +3

    DM: so do you use diplomacy or intimidation to persuade the ferengi?
    Garak: YES

  • @kevreads3269
    @kevreads3269 4 роки тому +2

    Every single line of Garak's should be punctuated with Morn running in and shouting "OH, SNAP!"

    • @smc1942
      @smc1942 Рік тому

      Morn was great. I just wish he wasn't such a blabbermouth! The guy never shut up once in seven years!!!😉😁

  • @frequency_DJ
    @frequency_DJ 5 років тому +8

    Garak perhaps may be the best written star trek character ever.

  • @georgelape604
    @georgelape604 8 років тому +47

    Garak was deeply layered. There was more to him. He was either a spy, double spy or in hiding desqised as a tailor.

    • @Observer29830
      @Observer29830 7 років тому +8

      You don't say~ How very perceptive of you xD

    • @dphorgan
      @dphorgan 6 років тому +4

      Obviously............... Quark is Ferengi while we are pointing out the obvious.............

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 6 років тому +6

      I'd say Garak was all of it. he was even a gardener on Romulus, mysteriously at the time when several important romulans died. Guess he was a multi layer spy, assasin, dipliomat in disguise and did quite a nice job as tailor. He loved Cardassia and would've loved to go back home, but did the best for his own good while never leaving is way.
      Quark actually was the most interesting Ferengi we saw. And he was different for a Ferengi, desperately trying to live in their ultra capitalist ways, but always falling into more "humane" territory. Which actually stopped him from becoming really wealthy, but helped him forward in the end more than he thought.
      Both are great at diplomacy and social assessment, surviving by being layered and adaptive.

    • @ethanrichmond3992
      @ethanrichmond3992 6 років тому +2

      Oh, I don’t remember that!
      After all...so many Romulans dignitaries died unexpectedly that year :).

    • @Stealthwilde
      @Stealthwilde 4 роки тому +3

      I'm sure that Garak himself would be disappointed with the lack of imagination, thinking he couldn't be all three at once. After all: "It's all true. Even the lies? Especially the lies."

  • @Brvnkaerv
    @Brvnkaerv 6 років тому +21

    "I would buy that for a strip of Latinum!"

  • @lillith3159
    @lillith3159 5 років тому +2

    I fucking love the chemistry this two characters have. When Garak talks with any other character he always has the upper hand but with Quark he always has to struggle to win a conversation

  • @davecrupel2817
    @davecrupel2817 4 роки тому +4

    One of the best double speak conversations i have *ever* heard in my life. Real or not.

    • @robertpatter5509
      @robertpatter5509 3 місяці тому

      It's coded language.
      You hear that alot
      " Good schools "
      "Less crime"

  • @cheshirekat8273
    @cheshirekat8273 Рік тому +1

    Brilliant writers, brilliant actors... That scene is like a delicious, layered dessert.

  • @TookyG
    @TookyG 5 років тому +18

    STD would never have a scene half that well written.

    • @LazzaRuss
      @LazzaRuss 3 роки тому

      Quark would probably cry. 😒

    • @proadmin1
      @proadmin1 3 роки тому +1

      They do have some good one liners "Context being for kings" and all, but by and large it's exceptionally well done kitten entertainment, lots of fast action, explosions and bright/blinky things, but it's a tragedy.
      Whether it's our heroine/Christ-complex dutiful officer Burnham, or the cast choices that defy anything other than a desire to fetish the latest in social fashions.

  • @Spectre-907
    @Spectre-907 2 роки тому +1

    Every single conversation with Garak is the verbal equivalent to the princess bride fencing scene

  • @donxavier10
    @donxavier10 2 роки тому +2

    DS9 could even turn fashion into a metaphor. Love this show!

  • @LoveRocketsable
    @LoveRocketsable 3 роки тому +2

    the whole conversation between both of them is just layers of implication mixed with subtlety. They know how to navigate their environment.

  • @JJMHigner
    @JJMHigner 3 роки тому +2

    Brilliant scene and brilliant actors!

  • @contrafax
    @contrafax 5 років тому +5

    I have said this else where, but I love the Quark character development, he went from a 2 dimensional character to something much more. Even admirable.

  • @BobNinjaCat
    @BobNinjaCat 2 роки тому +1

    Garak was the consistent highlight of this show. He had that subtlety with his words, to imply things without saying too much. He also cared in his own way, choosing to do things like how he's doing them here. He's warning Quark of things to come and reminding him that he's not exactly the type to throw hands when it comes time. It's a beautiful bit of character work that Andrew Robinson does an amazing job with.

  • @billmilligan7272
    @billmilligan7272 6 років тому +17

    Back when Star Trek had consistent characters, top writers, and well-cast actors. O Discordia!

  • @gmajor1273
    @gmajor1273 3 роки тому +2

    Two of the absolute best characters in Star Trek history.

  • @austinhorrorcreator4982
    @austinhorrorcreator4982 4 роки тому +1

    The nuanced subtext in this scene is just one example of writing that made both of these characters and the show as a whole so enjoyable.

  • @AnEnemySpy456
    @AnEnemySpy456 3 роки тому +4

    Garrak after Quark leaves: Dammit, should have chosen a cheaper dress to rip.

  • @Spacegoat92
    @Spacegoat92 4 роки тому

    I love the little subtle clues they add to Garaks comments nodding to his claustrophobia.

  • @rcabletn
    @rcabletn 6 років тому +6

    Gotta love the allegorically speaking !

  • @tallsmile28
    @tallsmile28 3 роки тому +1

    I loved this subtle conversation.

  • @evilkirk9360
    @evilkirk9360 8 років тому +21

    Garak clowns Quark what are going to do short change them? EPIC

  • @thfpt
    @thfpt 10 місяців тому +2

    For someone who was only in thirty some episodes, Garak sure had quite the impact on this show...

  • @trinitytwo14992
    @trinitytwo14992 4 роки тому +7

    Assassin in the end beats everyone, especially the merchant.

  • @w.qualls7930
    @w.qualls7930 2 роки тому +1

    I love how the conversation starts as strictly curiosity and innuendo from both of them, but Quark's subtlety unravels with his nerve and Garak finishes the exchange like a stiletto to the heart. Takes practiced polish to make it clear that Quark was faltering, not Shimmerman's delivery of Quark. Also one of those scenes that demonstrates that Quark was sincere (in a very Ferengi way) when he described himself as a people person. He was capable of genuinely liking others and even supporting a cause to his own detriment because he (in a literally dollars and cents way) valued others more than his traditionalist outlook said he should.

  • @mrizwan7566
    @mrizwan7566 3 роки тому +3

    I wish there was a scene between garak and q. It could still happened in st picard as both actirs are still alive.

  • @WobblesandBean
    @WobblesandBean 4 роки тому +1

    I love seeing Quark and Garak try to out-smarm the other 😂

  • @marcosmota1094
    @marcosmota1094 5 років тому +2

    For those who love Mr. Robinson as Garak, he also auditioned for the role of Odo. That would have been a huge loss...his performances will stand the test of time.

  • @charjl96
    @charjl96 7 років тому +54

    I just finished watching DS9 recently and now I'm trying to watch Voyager. It's hard. All I can think of though is how inferior it is to DS9. I'm definitely going to have to rewatch it

    • @WinstonfieldQPP
      @WinstonfieldQPP  7 років тому +13

      Voyager had its moments, but I would definitely put the overall series at the bottom of the Berman era.

    • @piotrd.4850
      @piotrd.4850 6 років тому +5

      It is not inferior. It is just different in setting, goal, target audience... and like it or not, VOY was first and sometimes ONLY series to get some essential details right, not to mention being best sequel to TOS.

    • @blakeainley7489
      @blakeainley7489 5 років тому +13

      Voyager and DS9 were both like 7 season long case studies to me. Voyager tested how people would hold to their principles when the Federation was on the other side of the galaxy. And DS9 showed all the bugs under the rug and the hard decisions that have to be made in hard times. Both were excellent in their own rights

    • @bluezauza
      @bluezauza 5 років тому +15

      After DS9 all the other series seem...well, boring, the DS9 characters are so good and rich and multidimensional that the ones in the other series seem shallow, there are a few good episodes on each one, but I love how each DS9 episode has continuity , not just explore a planet and move on to the next episode and more exploring and just forget the last episode and all we get from most characters is little development. With DS9 we get to really know the bajorans, the cardassians, the klingons even and most of all the humans when faced with destruction, war and difficulties.

    • @RequiemPoete
      @RequiemPoete 5 років тому +3

      @@piotrd.4850 Voy had horrible writing and god awful cliches and tropes.

  • @stevzor
    @stevzor 4 роки тому +1

    such a great scene, Garak is just an excellent character.

  • @az21bob666
    @az21bob666 6 років тому +8

    the whole talk was in code, incase anyone was listening.

  • @BogeyTheBear
    @BogeyTheBear 3 роки тому +2

    *Me:* I don't think they're talking about fashion any more.
    *Papa Bear:* They never were.

  • @allenanderson4911
    @allenanderson4911 Рік тому +2

    Garak is insightful. He knows that destroying a 15 or whatever strip of latanum item would be especially impactful only to a Farengi.

  • @waxcopperwood8674
    @waxcopperwood8674 6 років тому +3

    i love the double talk

  • @malbourne805
    @malbourne805 Рік тому

    This veiled conversation was truly epic.

  • @ltdowney
    @ltdowney 4 роки тому +3

    Garak’s threats are subtle, but they’re cold as fuck.

    • @Sidragrosm
      @Sidragrosm 4 роки тому +1

      As expected of THE Deadliest (and the most profoundly Bad Ass!) character in the Alpha Quadrant...
      Quark may be one Hell of a business man, and a TRULY daring gambler... But the stakes are just WAY to high when dealing w/Garak...

  • @ptah956
    @ptah956 4 роки тому +1

    Hohohoho, how delightful! The mysterious plots, the subtle innuendos, the veiled threats. It's all so entertaining.