What a great video. Thank you! We know that Vulcans have compassion, love, and appreciation for beauty. They have passions. They know that intellect without compassion produces monsters as surely as does the sleep of reason. We need both, intertwined, and an understanding of how to balance them effectively.
Many would be surprised to know that Surak was actually a computer scientist. His family was wealthy, prosperous, and well known in Shi Kahr. But Surak grew saddened by the everyday reports of horrific violence, nuclear bombardment, and a world out of control and consumer with emotion. He wandered the desert to search for meaning. One item never mentioned, was the "Bloodstone". The Dream Gem of ancient Iconia that Kanda Jiak brought when she accidentally transported to Vulcan, and not Iccobar (An Iconian Colony) and died under its horrible heat and high gravity. Surak found the stone, and realized it had also helped to corrupt any society who possessed it (The T'Kon Empire, Iconian Empire, countless others) and now Vulcan suffers under its presence. The Ko N'Ya is the Vulcan word for the Bloodstone. Sarek held it and it kept him warm in the desert cold of night. An enemy force whose "Swords and armor were as bright as the phasers on their belts" came upon him. Surak lost all his brothers on this awful plain. He was told the Ko N'Ya could revive his brothers. He only said "So they can begin the killing or being killed again"? After he freely released the gem, he knew the only way to save Vulcan and its people were to "End the desire themselves". After the Sundering (When S'task, Surak's most devoted acolyte disagreed and he and others left Vulcan to preserve the old ways). The stone left Vulcan and ended up later on what would be Romulus. For reference, these are excerpts from the book "Vulcan's Forge". So non-canonical.
Correct. Surak's finest student S'Task who legend says literally slept at the steps of Surak's house for days for him to take S'Task in as his student. And take him in he did. Until the arrival of the Duthuliv Pirates. It was said that S'Task escaped a transport ship, broke the torturers back, and landed back on Vulcan where Surak gave his profound sadness at S'Task's actions. It was a brutal war where in what Vulcan lacked in technology, it made up for its powerful Psi wielders who caused the pirate's minds to go mad and crash their ships. After that, the division began with S'Task and his followers, while still embracing logic, felt they should keep their emotions and warlike ways to save Vulcan. Over time the split with Surak fractured into two factions. Those who believe in logic, and those who keep emotion. Thus S'Task left with his followers on generation ships to explore and find their own worlds. The two most successful being Romulus and Remus. But before they departed Vulcan, Surak told S'Task "You and your people march under the wings of the raptor". And the Romulans from that time bear their flag which shows both worlds under the wings of the raptor.
Edit: As an outlier, it is said that the oldest and most powerful Mind Lord of Vuican Zakal (Also the oldest at 276 standard years old) spat in anger at Khoteth (his former student and heir) that S'Task should have stayed and taken over Vulcan.
VALERIS: It is of endings that I wish to speak. Sir, I address you as a kindred intellect. Do you not recognise that a turning point has been reached in the affairs of the Federation? SPOCK: History is replete with turning points, Lieutenant. You must have faith. VALERIS: Faith? SPOCK: That the universe will unfold as it should. VALERIS: But is that logical? Surely we must ... SPOCK: Logic, logic, logic. Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end.
Vulcans in TOS: Surak teaches true pacifism Vulcans in ENT: We've strayed from Surak's teachings and are at the brink of war agin Vulcans in STD: Shoot first ask their Katra questions
The most disgusting thing about STD, Enterprise showed them finding the Kir'Shara, leading them back to the path. A Vulcan in that age would never shoot first, and ask questions later. Even before this in Enterprise, they had SOME diplomatic relations with the Klingons.
The lesson of IDIC is of course typified by Star Trek Discovery and Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Naturally not everyone has the emotional maturity to embrace such messages. Indeed I struggle with Louder Decks, the shouty ill disciplined incarnationof Trek from a certain perspective. But i would not delete it for those who love it. Long live Star Trek in all its forms.
That's fair. I'm no fan of NuTrek, but I do not wish it removed either. Besides, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Perhaps, if nothing else, it will serve as a contrast for future generations.
@logicplague2077 Nu Trek doesn't exist. It's all interpretations of Roddenberry's concept. He was against religion, you see. But none of you guys disparaging modern Star Trek are consistent in your thinking. If you were, if you genuinely supported his Star Trek. You could not possibly accept Deep Space None. But for some unfathomable reason, you do. Your cut off point, therefore, has nothing whatsoever to do with Roddenbrrry. He invented Ilia, who referred to humanity "a sexually immature species". Demonstrating that he supported some form of sexually progressive agenda. How do we know? Because he used his alien characters such as Spock, to vritiwue humanity from a slightly distanced perspective. But you guys prefer to pretend otherwise.
@@davidsmith5523 Ilia's sexuality was only a part of what she was, it was not WHO she was, that is the part of the message that has been lost. We were supposed to look beyond such things, not focus solely on them. That's the lack of maturity she was speaking of.
@logicplague2077 with redprct that is a very trivial argument. Oarsmount wanted the film she was in to achieve a very wide sudirnc4 certification. Do naturally her sexusl identity could only be hinted at. The key point is that it was written in at all. So we get to the hub of your objection to modern Star Trek. Despite you knowing that it is spculative fiction and that it attempts to predict the effects of social change on society. You can not tolerate it. In this way, you are identically aligned with those women who asked over fifty years ago. "Who does she think she is" about Number One being First Officet aboard a starship in a future set worldscape. Your prejudice exactly echoes theirs. So in what way do you support Roddenberry's vision of a tolerant future. You can not even tolerate the present. Remember that he wanted to include a three breasted woman in his franchise. It is you that has rejected the implications of his philosophy. Not the creators of current Star Trek. Everything detrimental that you say is at odds with what we know of Roddenberry's stated intentions. Perhaps you were never in tune with Star Trek at all?
KIRK: Your Surak is a brave man.
SPOCK: Men of peace usually are, Captain.
[OMG, I love Spock.]
This would be a good few part series on the history of Vulcan and Surak's teaching.
What a great video. Thank you!
We know that Vulcans have compassion, love, and appreciation for beauty. They have passions. They know that intellect without compassion produces monsters as surely as does the sleep of reason. We need both, intertwined, and an understanding of how to balance them effectively.
Many would be surprised to know that Surak was actually a computer scientist. His family was wealthy, prosperous, and well known in Shi Kahr. But Surak grew saddened by the everyday reports of horrific violence, nuclear bombardment, and a world out of control and consumer with emotion. He wandered the desert to search for meaning. One item never mentioned, was the "Bloodstone". The Dream Gem of ancient Iconia that Kanda Jiak brought when she accidentally transported to Vulcan, and not Iccobar (An Iconian Colony) and died under its horrible heat and high gravity. Surak found the stone, and realized it had also helped to corrupt any society who possessed it (The T'Kon Empire, Iconian Empire, countless others) and now Vulcan suffers under its presence. The Ko N'Ya is the Vulcan word for the Bloodstone.
Sarek held it and it kept him warm in the desert cold of night. An enemy force whose "Swords and armor were as bright as the phasers on their belts" came upon him. Surak lost all his brothers on this awful plain. He was told the Ko N'Ya could revive his brothers. He only said "So they can begin the killing or being killed again"? After he freely released the gem, he knew the only way to save Vulcan and its people were to "End the desire themselves". After the Sundering (When S'task, Surak's most devoted acolyte disagreed and he and others left Vulcan to preserve the old ways). The stone left Vulcan and ended up later on what would be Romulus.
For reference, these are excerpts from the book "Vulcan's Forge". So non-canonical.
That was Awesome. I watched Enterprise when it was originally on, maybe twice, so I forgot all this🖖
Surek’s logic led the Romulan into exile from Vulcan
Correct. Surak's finest student S'Task who legend says literally slept at the steps of Surak's house for days for him to take S'Task in as his student. And take him in he did. Until the arrival of the Duthuliv Pirates. It was said that S'Task escaped a transport ship, broke the torturers back, and landed back on Vulcan where Surak gave his profound sadness at S'Task's actions. It was a brutal war where in what Vulcan lacked in technology, it made up for its powerful Psi wielders who caused the pirate's minds to go mad and crash their ships.
After that, the division began with S'Task and his followers, while still embracing logic, felt they should keep their emotions and warlike ways to save Vulcan. Over time the split with Surak fractured into two factions. Those who believe in logic, and those who keep emotion. Thus S'Task left with his followers on generation ships to explore and find their own worlds. The two most successful being Romulus and Remus. But before they departed Vulcan, Surak told S'Task "You and your people march under the wings of the raptor". And the Romulans from that time bear their flag which shows both worlds under the wings of the raptor.
Edit: As an outlier, it is said that the oldest and most powerful Mind Lord of Vuican Zakal (Also the oldest at 276 standard years old) spat in anger at Khoteth (his former student and heir) that S'Task should have stayed and taken over Vulcan.
Love this! thank you!
VALERIS: It is of endings that I wish to speak. Sir, I address you as a kindred intellect. Do you not recognise that a turning point has been reached in the affairs of the Federation?
SPOCK: History is replete with turning points, Lieutenant. You must have faith.
VALERIS: Faith?
SPOCK: That the universe will unfold as it should.
VALERIS: But is that logical? Surely we must ...
SPOCK: Logic, logic, logic. Logic is the beginning of wisdom, Valeris, not the end.
Somewhere McCoy just went like "FINALLY."
A Willie Mays baseball card from Earth?! Where's my checkbook?
Kol-Ut-Shan
The Beauty and Majesty of the Universe Embraced.
Makes for a great bit of inkwork, BTW.
So Surak is Socrates, Confucius, and Yogi Berra, all rolled into one.
Vulcans in TOS: Surak teaches true pacifism
Vulcans in ENT: We've strayed from Surak's teachings and are at the brink of war agin
Vulcans in STD: Shoot first ask their Katra questions
A logical analysis.
@@JohnDiMarco It would have been a better analysis if I hadn't left the second "a" out of the word "Again"
The most disgusting thing about STD, Enterprise showed them finding the Kir'Shara, leading them back to the path. A Vulcan in that age would never shoot first, and ask questions later. Even before this in Enterprise, they had SOME diplomatic relations with the Klingons.
What episode of the original series is the first clip pulled from?
All TOS references to Surak are from "The Savage Curtain."
@@JohnDiMarco Thank you, been many years since I saw that episode and couldn't remember it.
The lesson of IDIC is of course typified by Star Trek Discovery and Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Naturally not everyone has the emotional maturity to embrace such messages. Indeed I struggle with Louder Decks, the shouty ill disciplined incarnationof Trek from a certain perspective. But i would not delete it for those who love it. Long live Star Trek in all its forms.
That's fair. I'm no fan of NuTrek, but I do not wish it removed either. Besides, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Perhaps, if nothing else, it will serve as a contrast for future generations.
@logicplague2077 Nu Trek doesn't exist. It's all interpretations of Roddenberry's concept. He was against religion, you see. But none of you guys disparaging modern Star Trek are consistent in your thinking. If you were, if you genuinely supported his Star Trek. You could not possibly accept Deep Space None. But for some unfathomable reason, you do. Your cut off point, therefore, has nothing whatsoever to do with Roddenbrrry. He invented Ilia, who referred to humanity "a sexually immature species". Demonstrating that he supported some form of sexually progressive agenda. How do we know? Because he used his alien characters such as Spock, to vritiwue humanity from a slightly distanced perspective. But you guys prefer to pretend otherwise.
@@davidsmith5523 Ilia's sexuality was only a part of what she was, it was not WHO she was, that is the part of the message that has been lost. We were supposed to look beyond such things, not focus solely on them. That's the lack of maturity she was speaking of.
@logicplague2077 with redprct that is a very trivial argument. Oarsmount wanted the film she was in to achieve a very wide sudirnc4 certification. Do naturally her sexusl identity could only be hinted at. The key point is that it was written in at all. So we get to the hub of your objection to modern Star Trek. Despite you knowing that it is spculative fiction and that it attempts to predict the effects of social change on society. You can not tolerate it. In this way, you are identically aligned with those women who asked over fifty years ago. "Who does she think she is" about Number One being First Officet aboard a starship in a future set worldscape. Your prejudice exactly echoes theirs. So in what way do you support Roddenberry's vision of a tolerant future. You can not even tolerate the present. Remember that he wanted to include a three breasted woman in his franchise. It is you that has rejected the implications of his philosophy. Not the creators of current Star Trek. Everything detrimental that you say is at odds with what we know of Roddenberry's stated intentions. Perhaps you were never in tune with Star Trek at all?